1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ? Bucky 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: back with you? Buck? How you doing, man, good man? 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: I can't complain no, no, the damn fare device, getting 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: ready for the holidays, getting ready for a big football weekend, 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: getting ready for this draft stuff. With all these guys 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: opting out and guys preparing for the next level. It's 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: just a lot a lot of you have packages like 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: showing up at the house like we do all oh 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: Man all the time. But but you know what, did 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: younna be honest? I can't till holiday season from the 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: regular season. It's always packages showing up, like I feel 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: like packages do that like between packages showing up in 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Postmates and everything else. The COVID world has just changed 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: exactly what goes on the Brooks. I have to give 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: a shout out by the way to our to our 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: associate or co worker here. Uh, Jeff Birchfield got me 18 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: maybe the nicest Christmas present anybody's ever got anybody. He uh, 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: he got me a grub Hub Chick fil A delivery. 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: So knock, knock, knock on the door. Was a guy 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: out there with a bag of food and it was 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: Chick fil A, And I thought, just says it's a 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: home run. I mean, diamonds might be a girl's best friend. 24 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: So like, like, here's the thing because that used to 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: be part of our deal, the East West and had 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. I know we go there. Ever almost 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: every day. I know, like I don't even know what 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: that looks like that I don't even know what I mean, 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: the East West is not going, but I don't even 30 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: know what the Senior Bowl thing looks like. I know 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: it's weird. But by the way, teas, what's coming up here. 32 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 1: We've got a discussion on whether or not the Jets 33 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: not having the first pick is is going to do 34 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: their franchise and we have done a little research on that. 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: That's gonna be a fun topic. Carolina Panthers, they're looking 36 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: for a general manager, a good job, bad job. We'll 37 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: talk about that as well. But as we go back 38 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: to these All Star Game discussion, one of my favorite 39 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: all time All Star memories. UM, and however many years 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: we've been doing this book, I think so the seventeenth 41 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: year for me, I think in terms of All Star games, UM, 42 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: go back to three. Okay, so I go back to 43 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: oh one. So this is years of it. Yeah, I mean, geez, 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: we know this a long time. So one of my 45 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: all time figures is when you took me to the 46 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: waffle House. Remember, I don't think I've ever been. I 47 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: don't think i'd ever been to the waffle house. Unbelievable, man, 48 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: I missed the waffle house that was about four or 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: five years ago. You think, Yeah, the waff House that 50 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: was at the East West because it was right on 51 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: the block. I did a radio interview in there, like 52 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: we're the only two people in the restaurant. Not a 53 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: great sign, but we're the only two people in there, 54 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: and uh, I forgot I had a radio interview to do. 55 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: So I sat there and did the radio interview and 56 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: they asked like, oh, by the way, where are you. 57 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm in a waff house. You want to 58 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: say hi to our waitress? Hand about the house? Yeah, 59 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: because that's that's my own person thing. The way that 60 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: you feel about Chick fil A is the way that 61 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: about the waff House. Like I could I could be 62 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: in the South and I could have just eaten and 63 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: if I happened to pass, but I want, I have 64 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: to veer the car off and I have to sit 65 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: down and get the deal. And I can admit I'm 66 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: a I'm a double I'm a double waffle, double peak 67 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: and waffle guy with scrambled eggs. Um, I'm gonna get grits. Yep, 68 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: maybe with cheese. Sometimes the country comes out, but yeah, 69 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: I guess that's how I'm going. It's good. You know, 70 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: the waffle is good enough for you if you just 71 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: wanted to just say, hey, just throw a waffle in 72 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: a bag and get it to go. You're good. Just 73 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: get it for me for a guy who likes to 74 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: eat breakfast for dinner. Oh me too. That's what we did. 75 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: That was a nighttime. It was like five o'clock East Coat, 76 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: We're out there. Uh anyways, Yeah, Bucky introduced me to 77 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: the waffle house and I'm forever grateful. All right, let's 78 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: get into this topic here. First one here, Um, we 79 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: know the Jets one, right, so they fall to the 80 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: number two pick as of right now, Jacksonville. That's looking 81 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: like a plum job there, but ventually with Trevor Lawrence 82 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: just just staring right in the face. But it got 83 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: me thinking because I was thinking Okay, you get a 84 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: chance to get the first quarterback in the draft, does 85 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: that mean you get the best quarterback in the draft. 86 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: So I went back to look this up. So I'm 87 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: gonna go through these and you tell me where I'm 88 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: wrong here. But I went back to two thousand and ten. 89 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the first quarterback that was selected. 90 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna tell you who I believe it has 91 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: been the best quarterback from that draft classic Are you ready? 92 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: All right? All right? Was an easy one. Sam Bradford 93 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: was the first pick in that draft, didn't have anybody else, 94 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: and it was a Tebow draft and all that. So 95 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: Sam Bradford, that's a check. He ended up being the 96 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: best quarterback in that draft class two thousand and eleven, 97 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: same thing. Cam Newton was the first pick. Remember that 98 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: was I think that was locking Ever, all those guys 99 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: clearly the best of that class. So your two for 100 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: two there, the first quarterback pick end up being the 101 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: first the best of the group. Now it starts to change. 102 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, who we pointed to forever, highest grade I've 103 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: were given a quarterback, I think you might be in 104 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: the same boat. Um, Andrew Luck was the first pick 105 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: but I know he retired early. But even if he 106 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: was still going, I think we'd say Russell Wilson has 107 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: been the best quarterback in that class. Um. So yeah, 108 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: not Andrew Luck with all that hype, Russell Wilson has 109 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: been better. Two thousand thirteens almost a throwaway year. E J. 110 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: Manuel was the first quarterback pick that year. Mike Glennon 111 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: has had a better career. And it's not you're talking 112 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: about like he's Mike Glennon. Mike Glennon got he got 113 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: a contract. I mean he got a second contract somewhere, 114 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: So he's had a better career. He's still playing. Uh. 115 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: E J. Maynel has been out for a minute. Uhen 116 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: Blake Bortles was the first quarterback pick. Derek Carr's clearly 117 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: been the best of that group. This one's a debate. 118 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: Was Jamis Winston Marcus Mariotta year? So Winston was the 119 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: first pick. I think you could argue it either way. 120 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: I gave Mariotta. I'm gonna give Mariota the tiebreaker here 121 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: because he got he won a playoff game. I mean 122 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: he got in the playoffs. Want a playoff game. Um, 123 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: But that's a debate, and I don't. Obviously you would 124 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: say it's not a clear cut when for the first 125 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: quarterback picked is another bit of a debate. That was 126 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: the golf wins here, right, But if you look at 127 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: just the numbers, I know Jared Goff has been to 128 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: a super Bowl, so I'm kind of contradicting myself here 129 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: on the playoff success. But Dak Prescott, if you look 130 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: at the numbers, Dak has I know he's got better 131 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: numbers than Jared Goff. So yes, so I I put 132 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: down Doc. I think that's a debate again. But what 133 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm getting at it, I think not a clear cut, 134 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: not clear cut. I think I think I think you're 135 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: hitting on the right thing. Like it's not a guarantee. Right, 136 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: Let's keep let's keep going through the Listen Trabisky, that 137 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: was Troubisky, Mahomes, Watson, obviously my home has spent the 138 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: best of that much. Baker was the first pick. Now, 139 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: Baker's playing really well this year. Um, But I think 140 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: if if you were to go around to the league 141 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: right now, I think Josh Allen even over Lamar. I 142 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: know Lamar has got an m v P, but I 143 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: think everybody would take Josh Allen is because of you know, 144 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: of what he can do and as a thrower. But 145 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: either way, it's it's you would look at. But either 146 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: way you say, you say those two guys have had 147 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: a better career than Baker Mayfield based on listen looking 148 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: to team's success is look at how they've grown and 149 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: listen at the individual play. So either way you're not wrong. 150 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: So twenty nineteen Kyler, Kyler would be the would be 151 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: the one so that he was first pick, he's been 152 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: the best. And then I know it's a small sample size. 153 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow played really well, but I think it's I 154 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: would think that if you pulled all thirty two, justin 155 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: Herbert would probably get more votes right now based off 156 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: what we've seen, um than Joe. But it's good. But 157 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, so the only only years that we 158 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: can say are yep, would be kind of the forsures 159 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: three of them where it's not really a debate, right, Yeah, 160 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's good. So now the bigger point is, 161 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: so it ends up being a thing in over react 162 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: action to the to the what might have been lost 163 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: if you're the New York Jets, because and that's part 164 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: of what we do on this side is like we 165 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: build these guys up, and we talked about it being 166 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: superheroes and how they're gonna transferring the franchise and all 167 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: those other things because as scouts, like that's what we do. 168 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: We get excited about what could be, what they could 169 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: be at the next level. Um, I do think it's 170 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: interesting because I do believe like this class of quarterbacks 171 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: is pretty solid. I think there's some intriguing places. And 172 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, after looking at the the 173 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: Josh Allen thing and the Lamar Jackson thing and all 174 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: this other stuff, I think I don't think you really 175 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: know until you see where they go. Because it is 176 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: all about the creativity. It's all about the fitting scheme 177 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: and how much you're willing to fit your scheme around 178 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: the player. And we've seen players improve, and so it 179 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: would be interesting to see this class with presumably Trevor 180 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Lawrence and Zack Wilson and just Um justin fields and 181 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: trade lance, how this shakes out. I mean, because there 182 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: are no guarantees. It just depends. So you talked about 183 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: guys getting better. Think about Josh Allen his last two 184 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: years at Wyoming fifty six percent completion percentage fifty six 185 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: point three percent completion percentage this year in Buffalo sixty 186 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: eight point seven sixty points. It was from fifty six 187 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: to sixty nine, made a thirteen percent improvement from college 188 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: to the NFL. I've never seen anything like it, Buck, 189 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: but I think it speaks to the fact of it's 190 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: a conversation we're gonna have on tomorrow's episode. We're gonna 191 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: have Jamie Chatwell, Uh, Chadwell from from Ghost Carolina is 192 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: going to join us a head coach there, and he 193 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: talked We talked to him and you'll get you enjoy 194 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: that conversation about building your offense and your scheme around 195 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: who you have and what they do well. Don't ask 196 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: them to things they don't do well. And Josh Allen 197 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: is a great example. When you have the talent, you 198 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: can morph everything around him to be able to cover 199 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: up some weaknesses and guys get better as well. So 200 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think. I don't think you 201 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: can look at and say it's this quarterback or bust 202 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: and if I'm not mistaken, you tell me if I'm wrong. 203 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: But I think work mind have said this the other day, 204 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: and like the last twenty five years, I think there's 205 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: only been two quarterbacks picked number one overall who have 206 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, and that's both Bannings. It's Peyton 207 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: and Eli. That's it, really think about it. That's it. Wow, 208 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: that's I have to go back and check. But just 209 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: two number one demandings. Um. Here, here's what I say 210 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: about the Josh Allen thing. It is important that as 211 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: we're doing the evaluations and there there's gonna be a 212 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: lot of conversation, and part of that is what we 213 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: do um for TV and for debate is to create 214 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: the debase and try and pick guys against one another. 215 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: But I think it's really interesting just because you may 216 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: um like someone or rank someone higher than the other, 217 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you hate the person that is 218 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: ranked below this. I think it's really important that we 219 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: kind of distinguish um that fact and also try to 220 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: tap into your imagination on what this player could become. 221 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: And I think now more than ever in the last 222 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: three or four years, we've seen that it is about 223 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: what can this guy become if all of the things 224 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: are right around him, and not oh he can't do this, 225 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: he can't do that, or whatever. Because we're seeing we're 226 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: seeing these offensive coordinators who are taking guys at their 227 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: place where they are at their skill level and saying, Okay, 228 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: that's whine, this is what you can do. My job 229 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: is defined as many ways as we can do that 230 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: to allow you to be great, and I need you 231 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: to work on these other things. But my job early 232 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: in your career is to figure out exactly what you 233 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: can do and to figure out different ways to give 234 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: you opportunities to do um those things. And and so 235 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: we'll see guys have these spurs or whatever. I think 236 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: the big thing going forward for Josh Allen because this 237 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: jump has been so big, is it sustainable? Will you 238 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: kind of come back to the pack a little bit 239 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: next year? Um, if Ryan day Ball happens to leave 240 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: and get ahead job, does that change or alter the 241 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: way that Josh Allen plays? And also we can look 242 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: at the numbers, but looking at the tape through, some 243 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: of the issues that popped up still occur and he's 244 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: found a way to kind of work around those things 245 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: that they haven't put him in those situations or whatever. 246 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: I think the playoffs would be really big. And I'm 247 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: saying this saying that Josh Allen has become a guy 248 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: who deserves to be in consideration for m v P 249 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. But the playoffs will be 250 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: big because the playoffs the game speeds up. Last year 251 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, like Lamar, he melted down. Is he 252 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: ready to handle that challenge when he gets to the 253 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: postseason this year? Yeah? No, I mean, look, it's it's 254 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: something that you can make the other side of it, 255 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: which is did the did the the key? You finally 256 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: just unlocked the door with Josh Allen. And now once 257 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: you've unlocked the door, now he's good, you know, I 258 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: mean like you kind of solved it. He's figured it out. 259 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: And I will say this, he is a hard workers 260 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: one thing, and talking to people in that building and 261 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: talking to people around people to train him. He is 262 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: a hard worker. And there's not a substitute for hard work. 263 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: And I think from us, if we have the opportunity 264 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: to get around these quarterbacks, I think it's important to 265 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: get around them doing the evaluation process so you can 266 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: feel better about what it is that you're pushing or 267 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: promoting when it comes to them and why they will 268 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: be or won't be successful, because you have to know. 269 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: And I think the work ethic the football character is 270 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: really critical, especially when we hear some of the stories 271 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: about some of these other quarterbacks who may not be 272 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: as diligent when it comes to paying attention to the 273 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: task in hand. Yeah. Interesting thing is when you go 274 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: back and look and Mark put Up some of the 275 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: other quarterbacks who are picked number one overall that one 276 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So you've gotta go back, right, So you 277 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: go back to a coman l Way. He can go 278 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: back to like Jim Plunkett, Terry Bradshaw. The interesting thing 279 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: is in those guys are Hall of famers. Uh, you know, 280 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: especially when you look at it, Lay Bradshaw, coman, I 281 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: don't know, plunk it. Plunk It's not a Hall of Famer, 282 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: is he? No, he's not a Hall of Famer. But 283 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: but when you look at had it, Okay, those were 284 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: phenomenal talents number one overall picks. Look at the number 285 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: of Hall of famers at Troy Akman played with. That's 286 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: a complete team, complete team. Um. John Elway would be 287 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: maybe the one, and he had he had some great 288 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: players around him. That John Elways kind of the unicorn. 289 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw played with a million Hall of famers. I 290 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: mean the Hall of Famers that you couldn't you throw 291 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: a rocky at ten of them on that team. Um 292 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: Elway to me is kind of like the one unicorn. 293 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: And then he ultimately though didn't winning the Super Bowl 294 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: till they got the offensive line TV in the run game, 295 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, to go along with what he could do. 296 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: But he would be you're talking about transcendent talents number 297 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: one overall. Pick I would say, you know, because Peyton, 298 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: Peyton and Eli Um. I mean Peyton drove that team. Eli. 299 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily say drove the team that was the 300 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: complete team. I would say it was the two. I 301 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: would say Peyton was more than transcendent talent. I don't 302 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,479 Speaker 1: think Eli was a transcendent talent without paying the team 303 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: won one game. I mean, so, I mean I would 304 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: say of those two, like if Trevor Lawrence ends up 305 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: being John Elway or Peyton Manning, then well, crap. You know, 306 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: I feel bad for the Jets you missed out. But 307 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about two guys. That's it, uh, 308 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and I believe in it, but right now, 309 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: because like we heard all the stuff about Andrew Luck 310 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: and we we do it all all the time, like 311 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: that's part of the run up to the draft, to 312 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: talk about the number one pick and how he's such 313 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: a transcendent talent. And then it's always a debate on 314 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: our side. Am I grading him for how I feel 315 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: like he's going to play? Or am I grading him 316 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: for where I know he's going to get picked? And 317 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: that's a difference. It's difference in playing the a I 318 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: want to be right on the mock draft part of it, 319 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: as opposed to know I want to be right in 320 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: terms of how he plays in two or three years, 321 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: and that is more of the scouting nature part of it. 322 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: And so I think it's important to keep that in context. 323 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: And with Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence is a fantastic player, 324 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: and I will say I believe he's gotten better this year. 325 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: I believe this year actually helped him. He has gotten better. 326 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: He is separated, separated himself from the others because his 327 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: game is on the ascent where some other guys have 328 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: kind of stayed in plateaued. I feel like he is 329 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: a much better player now. Once again, I will say 330 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: I want to see him in the playoffs because last 331 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: year in the playoffs he has some difficulties. Let's see 332 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: him play when the game speeds up and he has 333 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: to kind of deliver against the Ohio States and potentially 334 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: the Alabamas or maybe even Notre Dame again in the postseason. Yeah, 335 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean, I shoot, 336 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: given my choice, you'd rather have the number one pick, 337 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not saying that 338 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: I love tremors. I'm just saying that the sky is 339 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: not falling. It's not the end of the world because 340 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: I fall. And then DJ, here's the thing. If you're 341 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: the general manager, how can you, in good conscience stand 342 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: in front of the team and always talk about we 343 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: want to put ourselves in the best position to win, 344 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: and every decision that we make is about winning. But 345 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: then secretly and privately hope that your team loses for 346 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: a draft pick like that, that that runs counter to 347 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: everything that we believe in. And typically when you do 348 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: those things, like the football gods don't shout on you properly. 349 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: And so that's I mean, that's what happens. Everything in 350 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: the building is about winning. We want to win. We 351 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: want to win it everything. We want to be the 352 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: best at all things. That we're involved in. And that 353 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: isn't about going out and putting the performances up because 354 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: also that's on your ledger. Like you want to own 355 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: sixteen on your resume, you don't. You don't own sixteen 356 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: on your resume as a as a general manager, you 357 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: want to win games, you want to be competitive and 358 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: and those things. And you would like to think that 359 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: you have enough confidence that even if you don't have 360 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: the number one who I have the number two pick. Well, 361 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: let's see what we can do with the number two 362 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: overall pick to make it where they talk about, wow, 363 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: look at what these guys did, because there have been 364 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: other teams that have been able to do it. Let's 365 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: find a way to get it done. And I think 366 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: you have to challenge your scouts and everybody. Let's make 367 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: it right. We still want to have an A plus 368 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: draft regardless of where we start. You want to know 369 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: what the what the irony is in the a f 370 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 1: C East. We want like twenty years with New England 371 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: having the quarterback, the other three teams trying to find 372 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback and rolling through guys unable to find a quarterback. 373 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: And now if the Jets can hit on the quarterback, 374 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: whether they're picking one or two. You have all the 375 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: other three teams in the division with young, you know, 376 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: stud hopefully stud quarterbacks. In New England's the team that 377 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: hadn't have a quarterback trying to find the quarterback. It 378 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: just it flipped it. It is flipping. And I think 379 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: what also has been exposed, like when we talked about 380 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: New England, because now that they're out the playoffs and 381 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: the dynasty is all done, we can really talk about 382 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: Hey man, we used to always say this. We used 383 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: to always give them the ultimate Hall pass on draft 384 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: day because we would squints and squirm and man, I 385 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't a little rich. Yeah, but but 386 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: then they would end up in the super Bowl because 387 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 1: the coaching and maybe TV twelve would make them right. Well, 388 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: now you don't have the ultimate racer to make it right. 389 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: You have to begin to evaluate the process by which 390 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: New England evaluates and stacks their board and does this. 391 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: And so Bill Belichick and his staff they have a 392 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: lot of pressure on them to draft and get this right. 393 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: Because I think we could go back and look at 394 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: their last four or five drafts and say they haven't 395 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: drafted pro bols. I think they haven't drafted the pro 396 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: bols since they've always been able to They've always been 397 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: able to explain it to the end justified the means 398 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: like it was almost like, hey, we're trying to get 399 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: to this destination. I can take this direct route here, 400 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: this road, and that's the right way to go. But 401 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: then they might get off and do all these back 402 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: roads and they go, no, we ended up at this, 403 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: We ended up where we ended up. We went the 404 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: right way, and I'm like, you could have gone a 405 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: lot easier way than that, a lot easier. And so 406 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: DJ when I mean we go back and we look 407 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: at the files, are we confident that he can that 408 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: they can draft their way out of this bag, out 409 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: of this hold of their end because the numbers in 410 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: the data would suggest no. Because they haven't been able 411 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 1: to really hit on players. I mean, they haven't hit 412 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: on players in the last five years. Really, you know 413 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: a handful of guys, but not consistently. And so to 414 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: think that they're going to waive the magic wine and 415 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 1: get it all right in this year's class, I think 416 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: that's a little unrealistic based on their history. Yeah, that's 417 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: a good point, man, Let's switch divisions here switch topics. Uh, 418 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: I want to ask you because you spent time in 419 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: that organization. I know there's a new owner there, David Tepper. 420 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: But when you look at the Carolina Panthers, Marty Hernie, 421 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: who you you worked for, UM was let go? Kind 422 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: of curious on that just right before the end of 423 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: the season, you know, as opposed to just letting the 424 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: season finish up. Um. But a you know, what do 425 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: you think of their roster and and be is it 426 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: a good job? Bad job? Well? I think it's a 427 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: really good job. I think it's a really good job 428 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: because I think, um, Mr Tepper is doing everything in 429 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: his power to really elevate the franchise new facility down 430 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: in rock Hill, South Carolina. I've seen the pitchers. Man, 431 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: it's going to be outstanding. Uh. You have an owner 432 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: who is a forward thinking, uh, cutting edge owner. UM. 433 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: He comes from look when he comes from being able 434 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: to hear funds managers, So he understands analytics and all 435 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: that other stuff and finding values and depressed industries and 436 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: companies and all that other stuff. And so what he 437 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: wants to do is he wants he wants to modernize 438 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: their personnel approach. Having worked there, it was an old 439 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: school approach. I mean it was scouting reports and all 440 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: the other stuff. Data played a little bit, but not 441 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 1: really UM. And they want to modernize it, and they 442 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: want to I believe here's what the bottom line is. 443 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: I think we're seeing a trend where you want to 444 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: have the coach and the GM and lockstep and whatever 445 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: that means. They see the game the same way. They 446 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: kind of have some the identical philosophies for how you 447 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: build a team. And I'm not saying that the head 448 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: coach is the one that's driving everything, but I certainly 449 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: think that they're in the boat together. And so I 450 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: think the days of a I'm the general manager the 451 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: head coaches below, I don't. I don't know if that 452 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: is the model anymore. And you go back, and I 453 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: think it's interesting if you look at the Seattle Seahawks. 454 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: The Seattle Seahawks have been to the playoffs with eight 455 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: out of nine years, not out of ten years. John 456 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: Snyder and Pete Carroll, and they have been together. Pete 457 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: Carroll was hid at first, John Snyder comes on board, 458 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: they find the way to make it work UM and 459 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: they've been very, very successful. And I think more owners 460 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: are kind of looking for that thing, and I think 461 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: with Teffer, he wants that same kind of synergy and 462 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: connection while also utilizing all of the dad and the 463 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: stuff that is available to him. And so it's a 464 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: unique it's a unique deal, alright. So if we use 465 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: the three to seven scale, Um, what's the one we 466 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: use in Baltimore? So five is average, you know, four 467 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: below average, three pour six above average, seventh superior. And 468 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: if we're looking at healthy organizations, you just describe one 469 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: in Seattle, owner, head coach, GM quarterback Seattle, you would 470 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: probably go seven seven seven seven, I mean just all 471 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: the superior, all the way down. I think when you 472 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: look at Carolina, from what we've learned thus far about 473 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: the owner, seven, the head coach, I know they haven't 474 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's his first year there, but everything we 475 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: know about Matt rolls us. Yeah, seven, I think it's 476 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: a seven. So you've got the owner and the head 477 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: coach next on your agenda. I gotta get the m 478 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: in the quarterback. The quarterback, Yes, that's this offseason there, 479 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: hold the fifth pick right now. Um, so they're gonna 480 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: have a chance. They can have a chance to get 481 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: both those they can check both those boxes. And this 482 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: this is a huge offseason for the Carolina Panthers. They 483 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: got a two huge decisions to make a huge offseason 484 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: for the Panthers. And without speculating, man, I just think 485 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: like dj Um when I look at the situation without 486 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: even knowing who the decision maker the pickers going to be. 487 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if this team is able to get 488 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: let's just say they get tray Lance right. And the 489 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: thing about the tray Lance deal they will give some 490 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: people pause as we do to run up to the draft, 491 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: is hey, he's only a one year starter. Didn't play 492 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: this season really not due to his own fault. But 493 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: now you have a situation where you already have titty Bridge. 494 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: What were two years left on the deal? That's what 495 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: it would be next year. Man, you talk about having 496 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: a situation where you can bring a quarterback in and 497 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: really develop him and get him ready to play. And 498 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: I think Matt Rule has already shown an affinity for 499 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: the athletic quarterback because the backup p J. Walk is athletic, 500 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: UH can do some things. I think he had him 501 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: at Temple to write that was his quarterback of Temple. 502 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: Maybe he was yeah. So, so I think when you 503 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: look at the room, I don't think that is out 504 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 1: of the RAMDA possibility. I think it's about um the connections. Now, 505 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: I didn't notice maybe you know it better, but I 506 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: didn't know that Matt Rule was a g A or 507 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: a coach at U c l A. When Adam Peters 508 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: with the d M, yeah, I mean, be a heck 509 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: of a higher a piece apiece, really really smart in 510 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: the game, in the game for a long time. So 511 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: I certainly know he has seen it. He's been an 512 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: integral part of the way that the forty nine is 513 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: were constructed. Just back to the Broncos, go back to 514 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: the Patriots. Like, he's been around a lot of a 515 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of football games. Mant a full 516 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: trophy case. Yeah, so he's seen it. He's seen a 517 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: lot of it. Good dude. So I think you look 518 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: and you just kind of see how this thing is training. 519 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. But DJ, there's so many jobs 520 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: out there, There's so many guys like and you know, 521 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: like in the personnel, and you just don't see You 522 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: don't see a number of GM jobs open like this, 523 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: maybe one or two. You don't see five or six 524 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: jobs that are available, because when they're available, then not 525 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: only year you're talking about GM jobs, but you're talking 526 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: about everything down the trickle down effect from directors and 527 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: national Scouts and scouts. Man, it's gonna be the wild 528 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: wild West in May when those contracts come up. Bananas, 529 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, and all in the middle of the backdrop 530 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: of a pandemic where you know, guys haven't been out, 531 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: guys haven't seen each other. I mean, it's got all 532 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: zoom interviews, right, it's gonna be zoom interview and all 533 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: these uh, all these uh scouts. You're gonna try and 534 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: build your staff around crazy and just so the listener 535 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: understands a lot of what you gleam in terms of 536 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: when you start thinking about guys that you would bring 537 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: bring on board. A lot of those relationships are cultivated 538 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: on the road. You and I are together at U 539 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: C l A, or we go let's get dinner, Let's 540 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: get dinner tonight we're on we're on a West Coast 541 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: tour and we go about five or six schools together. 542 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: I get a chance to see how you work, and 543 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: we begin to talk and we talk ball all in 544 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: how you see things and this and that and I 545 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: begin to learn more about you personally and your family 546 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: and all those things, and so you to build a 547 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: trust and the connectivity. Well, this year you haven't been 548 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: able to do that, and so so much of what 549 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: we do at Scouts is about the relationships and communication. 550 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: It is a challenge to really get to know and 551 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: connect with somebody over zoom because it's not your normal 552 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: way of interacting with people. It's gonna be an interesting offseason. 553 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: But I think we can sum up we're on the 554 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: same page. Good job, right, Oh, absolutely really good. It's 555 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: a good job there in Carolina. So we've got an 556 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: opportunity to get the UH as an organization, get the GM, 557 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: get the quarterback, and man, you are often running. And 558 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 1: let me say this about Marty Herny having worked for him, 559 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: because I think, uh, there are a lot of people 560 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: that always ask us about how to get in or whatever, 561 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: and I think it's important for me to share his story. 562 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: Marty Hernie was a beat writer. He was a beat 563 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: reporter covering the Washington football team, and someone in the organization, 564 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: I want to say, Bobby Betha took a liking to him, 565 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: brought him in UH, showed them the Ropes taught him 566 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: everything about the business. Uh. He eventually ascends, goes to Carolina, 567 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: moves of the ranks and becomes the general manager. Here's 568 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: what I would say that I learned about Marty Hernie 569 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: the most. The important skill that I took from him. 570 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: He was an a plus listener. When you talked about DJ, 571 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: we talked about general manager and experiment and being able 572 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: to listen. I would say Marty's best traits We're being 573 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: able to listen to everyone in the room, kind of 574 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: sift out what was important and make solid decisions based 575 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: on that. And when I was there, it was John Fox, 576 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: it was Marty, Tony Softly, and a bunch of other 577 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: guys Joe Shane, Ryan Cowden, all those guys working up under. 578 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: We're working together and everyone had an opinion, everyone had 579 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: a say. He would be able to listen to that 580 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: and the coach's opinion and be able to Brandon Bean 581 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: was also there, be able to make good decisions by 582 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: taking all that in. And I think because he was 583 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: a journal listen, because he was a writer, he had 584 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: skills in doing that. And I think it's an uncommon thing, 585 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: but I think he did a really good job of 586 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: doing that, and then people will talk about the ups 587 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: and downs that the Panthers organization experience in terms of 588 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: their records and stuff. But I will say, from a 589 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: personnel standpoint, I think he did a really good job 590 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: of acquire talent and I wouldn't be surprised to see 591 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: him turn up again with the Washington football team based 592 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: on the fact that they still having general manager opening 593 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: and his strong relationship with Ron Rivera, because whom would 594 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: say he fell on the sword for Ron Rivera when 595 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: uh Mr Richardson wanted to fire him and he absolutely 596 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't let it, and he fell on the sword the 597 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: first time he was let go from Carolina. I think 598 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: that loyal team might be repaid down the line, and 599 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be surprised to see him pop up 600 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: in some capacity with the Washington football team. Good call. 601 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: And man, we we've talked a lot of the past 602 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: about the the Ravens personnel tree and all guys I 603 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: worked with that have gone on and done done big things. 604 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: And man, you start looking at the job that Bean's 605 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: doing in Buffalo, Joe Shane's there with him. You look 606 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: at r C. He's down in uh A Ryan cown's 607 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: in a great job, man Um, you said, a darn 608 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: good staff there in Carolina. So here, here's the thing 609 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: I got there on the late and and so part 610 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: of that is these guys would say you. Part of 611 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: that is the Bill polian Um when he was there 612 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: as the general manager. He was there right before he 613 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: left to go to Indianapolis, and then up under him, 614 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: Jack Poschowski and some of those guys were there, and 615 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: so all of that is kind of the same. So 616 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: those guys learn UM under a few different guys, but 617 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: I think they they certainly understand what it should look like, 618 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: how to build it out, and I think that's important. 619 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see the excess that all those 620 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: guys have had because we were all in the room 621 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: and I remember, uh, I mean, I was a little 622 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 1: older than those guys. But those guys, they've grown up 623 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: and they've killed it and they're super successful. And I 624 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: think they have a clear understanding of how to build. 625 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: Since Guess will franchise and the job that being and 626 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: that crew has done up in Buffalo, I think that 627 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: certainly is going to kiss the eye of owners looking 628 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: to rebuild programs because I think those guys have a 629 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: recipe that can be followed, and I think it's one 630 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: that can be duplicated in other spots. Yeah, no doubt. 631 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: Well again, I think it'd be interesting to see what 632 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: happens Marty Herney. Maybe he ends up in Washington and 633 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: that Carolina Panthers job is a good gig, so we'll 634 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: see how it all shakes out. Anything you want to 635 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: add before we get out of here, Buck, No, man, 636 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: I just want to employ everybody to spend a little 637 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: time with the families for the holidays. I know it's 638 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: different with the pandemic and everyone trying to maintain social distance, 639 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: but hopefully you have a great holiday. We can we 640 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: can kind of get to it. I know we have 641 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: another podcast before we get there, but I'm excited about 642 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: the holidays and it's only a couple of days away. 643 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: No man, it's it's finally here. We do want to 644 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: courage everybody check out the podcast tomorrow. We'll have another 645 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: pod that will drop tomorrow with that interview with Jamie Chadwall, 646 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: the head coach at Coastal Carolina. I think you guys 647 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: will dig that one. Um that's gonna go it for us. 648 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: I want to thank the bill for the great job 649 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: he does. Producing appreciate all his hard work through out 650 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: the entire year. He is UH, he's outstanding. So we're 651 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: very fortunate to have him with us. UH. Thanks to 652 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: Mark Brady for being the captain of the ship and 653 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: everybody else out there for listening to us. We appreciate 654 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: you joining us on a on a weird year here 655 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: in but we're gonna finish up strong. Um, and thank 656 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. We'll catch you 657 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: next time right here on. Move the sticks.