WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Tripp Brazeale [From the Archives]

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<v Speaker 2>On Saturday, November two, twenty twenty four, fifteen year old

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<v Speaker 2>Trip Brazil headed out of his house in Forest City,

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas on a four wheeler.

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<v Speaker 3>Trip grew up and.

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<v Speaker 2>When he had been hanging around with his uncle and

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<v Speaker 2>aunt that day, His mother, Jennifer Brazil, told us that Trip,

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<v Speaker 2>her brother, and her sister in law went to a

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<v Speaker 2>party at a friend's house. They were in the area

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<v Speaker 2>of Saint Francis County Road four O nine, near Forest

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<v Speaker 2>City after dark and into the early morning hours of Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>November three, They continued to hang out in a part

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<v Speaker 2>of the woods called Crow Creek, riding ATVs, which are

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<v Speaker 2>also called four wheelers. Trips aunt and uncle were on

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<v Speaker 2>one four wheeler, Trip was on the other. One of

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<v Speaker 2>his friends was also there at some point riding another atv.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's mostly illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>To ride four wheelers on paved roads in Arkansas and

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<v Speaker 2>in many other places, but out there in the country

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<v Speaker 2>it is a common mode of transportation for teens. His mother,

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Brazil, told us that Trip was homeschooled and also

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<v Speaker 2>had a job at a carpet store.

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<v Speaker 4>They love being outside, sweet, respectful kids. He knew how

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<v Speaker 4>to actus his elders. They had been riding fullers all day. Actually,

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<v Speaker 4>his brother and sister. I'm glad that they got to

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<v Speaker 4>send the day with him. Then he went by our

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<v Speaker 4>friend's house, so they were having a party. And if

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<v Speaker 4>it comes back you had alcohol in this system, that's

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<v Speaker 4>not going to shock me. But as far as drugs, no,

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<v Speaker 4>Trip was not a drug user. He told his friends

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<v Speaker 4>to try to stop smoking weeds. Trip was very scared

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<v Speaker 4>of drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>There were police officers near the teens in the woods

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<v Speaker 2>that night. Deputy Tray Bonham and Sergeant David Kenney from

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<v Speaker 2>the Saint Francis County Sheriff's Office had been out there

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<v Speaker 2>responding to a call dealing with a missing eleven year

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<v Speaker 2>old and twelve year old girl and boy from Cross County.

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<v Speaker 2>So Sergeant Kenny and Deputy Bonham got called out to

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<v Speaker 2>an area near Highway three eight because one of the

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<v Speaker 2>missing Cross County kids phones was.

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<v Speaker 3>Pinging in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bynham wrote in his report that while they were

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<v Speaker 2>checking out a residence in the woods, they heard ATVs

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<v Speaker 2>driving around erratically. When they finished up and got back

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<v Speaker 2>to their vehicles, Sergeant Kenney went to.

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<v Speaker 3>Go find those ATVs.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the first one to make contact with Trip

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<v Speaker 2>and his family members. In his report, he said that

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking to the people who were on one

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<v Speaker 2>of the four wheelers, basically telling everyone to slow down.

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<v Speaker 2>As Deputy Bontam approached, he saw one of the four

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<v Speaker 2>wheelers slow down like it was about to stop, but

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<v Speaker 2>then he said, the four wheeler took off and passed

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<v Speaker 2>him at a high rate of speed. The driver of

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<v Speaker 2>that ATV was Trip Brazil. The police started.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking to Trip's aunt and uncle and one of Trip's friends.

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<v Speaker 4>Then he was riding with my brother and sister in

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<v Speaker 4>law who her dad is a state trooper, and the

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<v Speaker 4>cop pulled up to the stop sign and said what

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<v Speaker 4>are y'all doing? They said, oh, we'll just stop riding.

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<v Speaker 4>Looks a little way y'all need to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Sergeant Kenny was interviewed about this incident.

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<v Speaker 5>There's two four wheelers and four individuals there. They all

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<v Speaker 5>looked to be leaked teen's early twenties. As I got

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<v Speaker 5>out of my truck and walked around in front of

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<v Speaker 5>my vehicle, one of the four wheelers took off going

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<v Speaker 5>south on two eighty four. He went a couple hundred

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<v Speaker 5>yards and stopped, looked over his shoulder. I said, where's

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<v Speaker 5>he going. One of the kids popped up and said,

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<v Speaker 5>we don't know, sir. I said, so he's just going

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<v Speaker 5>to leave y'all here. He said, that's what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 5>Will he come back by? And he was approaching. He

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<v Speaker 5>was slowing down like he was going to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point, Deputy Bonham started his pursuit of the

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<v Speaker 2>four wheeler.

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<v Speaker 3>He was trying to pull trip over.

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<v Speaker 2>Sergeant Kenny said he just wanted the driver of that

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<v Speaker 2>ATV to slow down. He said he called out on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio to the driver, telling him to watch the

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<v Speaker 2>hairpin turns on the roadway.

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<v Speaker 3>Trip didn't stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead, he turned onto another road, Highway four O nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and sped away, so Deputy Bottom followed him. This high

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<v Speaker 2>speed chase went on up a hill and back down

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<v Speaker 2>a hill. Technically it was a dirt burm, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>how the deputies described it. And that's when something happened,

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<v Speaker 2>something that caused Trip to abruptly stop and jump off

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<v Speaker 2>his four wheeler at twelve forty two am. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the bodycam footage of that chase. In real time. You

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<v Speaker 2>can hear the deputy yell at Trip, but he'd already

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<v Speaker 2>gotten off the four wheeler and was running. Trip was

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<v Speaker 2>wearing a camouflage hoodie, blue jeans, and boots as he

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<v Speaker 2>took off through the woods. In that bodycam footage, it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like he jumped over a barbed wire fence and

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<v Speaker 2>took off across a field.

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<v Speaker 3>Trip didn't stop or turned back.

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<v Speaker 2>He fled into the woods and kept on running, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Catherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 2>Helen Gonepod. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. In that

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<v Speaker 2>police bodycam footage, you can see trips abandoned yellow and

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<v Speaker 2>dark gray four wheeler. Deputy Bottom runs up to the

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<v Speaker 2>barber Ware fence where he stops with his gun drawn,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no sign of trip. He'd already run into

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<v Speaker 2>the dark woods. So Deputy Bottom goes back to his

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle and gets on the radio. Now some parts of

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<v Speaker 2>this are kind of hard to understand, but he's saying

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<v Speaker 2>that they wrecked and that he had the four wheeler

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<v Speaker 2>he wrecked out.

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<v Speaker 4>I got the fooler.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm good, but we went up the ditch. I said,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm good, but we went up that ditch right there,

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<v Speaker 6>both of us, me and him both.

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<v Speaker 2>The second officer on the scene, Sergeant Kenny, shows up.

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<v Speaker 2>They start talking about what happened.

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<v Speaker 6>There's gonna be a white male on a cam flies

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<v Speaker 6>hoodie and blue jays. Looked like he went off that way.

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<v Speaker 4>Did he roll it or something?

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<v Speaker 6>Hey turned it and jumped off and took off running

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<v Speaker 6>across the field.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, it doesn't seem like they believed that

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<v Speaker 2>this was a super serious situation. The deputy later said

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<v Speaker 2>that he had followed his partner so that he would

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<v Speaker 2>have backup if needed, but at this point they had

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<v Speaker 2>no weapons drawn.

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<v Speaker 5>He had jumped over the fence and we looked called out, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>come back to the road.

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<v Speaker 7>You've been fire a weapon or anything.

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<v Speaker 5>No sir, No sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Later police were able to figure out through examining the

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<v Speaker 2>four wheeler that the connection to the battery was lost somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>There was damage to the hot battery cable. Basically, something

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<v Speaker 2>happened that made the battery die. This was a high

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<v Speaker 2>speed chase, and both the police and trip went over

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<v Speaker 2>a hill, so it might have happened. Then. The impact

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<v Speaker 2>was enough that the officers did check for damage on

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<v Speaker 2>his truck, but they said they did not find any

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<v Speaker 2>significant damage. It turned out that after Trip came off

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<v Speaker 2>that four wheeler and ran away, he started making phone calls.

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<v Speaker 2>He called his mother, Jennifer, and was also in touch

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<v Speaker 2>with his father, but at some point his phone died.

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bottoms secured the four wheeler and Sergeant Kenny got

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<v Speaker 2>a trailer to take it back to the station. Once

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<v Speaker 2>they got there, they were looking for a VEN number

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<v Speaker 2>on that vehicle. Sergeant Kenny said they couldn't find one. Later,

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<v Speaker 2>he said they figured out that the vehicle had been stolen.

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<v Speaker 2>There is nothing else about that in the reports, so

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<v Speaker 2>I need to say I have no idea if the

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<v Speaker 2>four wheeler was stolen or who allegedly stole it, but

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<v Speaker 2>from the reports, it does not look like that was

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<v Speaker 2>the police priority. They were focused on finding Trip. When

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bynum and Sergeant Kenny were trying to pull over Trip,

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<v Speaker 2>they said they didn't know who he was, but they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know his family.

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<v Speaker 5>This late at night would allowed for their waking folks.

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<v Speaker 5>And I know his dad, I know his mom, and

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<v Speaker 5>I know his brother, but I wouldn't know him if

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<v Speaker 5>he walked up and spit on it. And I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if he recognized me, and that's why he took

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<v Speaker 5>off and wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>To be the chasing Deputy Bonum said that another deputy,

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bridshaw, reached out to Tripp's father. This would have

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<v Speaker 2>been at around one am. According to the incident report,

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<v Speaker 2>Tripp's parents said he had still not come home and

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<v Speaker 2>that they were going out to look for him, and

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<v Speaker 2>according to Sergeant Kenney's report, Jennifer was in touch with

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<v Speaker 2>Trip during this time and pleading with her son to

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<v Speaker 2>come out and turn himself in, while at the same

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<v Speaker 2>time trying to calm him down. Both of Tripp's parents

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to reassure him that they were on their

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<v Speaker 2>way to find him. Jennifer said that after Trip was

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<v Speaker 2>thrown off his four wheeler and walked through the woods

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<v Speaker 2>for a period of time, that he called her to

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<v Speaker 2>come and pick him up. So Jennifer and Gil headed

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<v Speaker 2>out to Highway four oh nine to the area where

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<v Speaker 2>Trip was last seen.

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<v Speaker 3>When they arrived, deputies were still there.

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<v Speaker 2>Trip talked to other people too, and one of his friends,

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<v Speaker 2>who was interviewed by police, said that Trip's location could

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<v Speaker 2>be viewed on Snapchat live. At some point Sergeant Kenney

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<v Speaker 2>said that he got Trip's phone number. He said he

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<v Speaker 2>sent Trip a text himself, but Trip never responded. He said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I only wanted to tell the kids to not drive

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<v Speaker 2>reckless at night. If he had only stopped, then I

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<v Speaker 2>would have just called his dad. His mother showed me

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<v Speaker 2>a text where I was telling her that he was

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<v Speaker 2>a screw up and apologies to both parents.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>That text was sent at one forty one am, but

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes after that, sometime around two am, Trip's

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<v Speaker 2>phone went dead. Meanwhile, an anonymous phone call was placed

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<v Speaker 2>to the Sheriff's office.

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<v Speaker 6>We got an unknown anonymous phone call, and the phone

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<v Speaker 6>call whoever it was, stated that he was in the woods.

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<v Speaker 6>He was behind the church on Sec. Four O nine

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<v Speaker 6>in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bonhams said that an anonymous caller told him that

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<v Speaker 2>Trip had been driving the four wheeler. He said that

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<v Speaker 2>some deputies went out to that area behind the church

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<v Speaker 2>and looked for Trip, but couldn't find him. Police talked

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<v Speaker 2>to one of Trip's friends. This is from Deputy Tray

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<v Speaker 2>Bonham's body camp. You can hear him talking to the

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<v Speaker 2>friend asking him if he knows anything about Trip's whereabouts

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 7>Man, you've been bored for a while. He's up.

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<v Speaker 6>Tell me the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the truth. You know what, Trips, I ain't a

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<v Speaker 4>fucking clue with Trip.

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<v Speaker 7>I've been trying to find Trip, my damn hill to him.

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<v Speaker 6>Get the fuck home, not being a dat When I

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<v Speaker 6>say this, ranning, it's rains, ran out of his shoes.

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<v Speaker 6>It's fourteen years old and nobody's seen him or heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Trip's friend shows the deputy where Trip's last location pinned.

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<v Speaker 2>Trip was on Snapchat and his friend used a live

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<v Speaker 2>location video to show the deputy trips last location.

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<v Speaker 7>So look right here, you got where four or nine splits.

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<v Speaker 5>That's four or nine goes two ways.

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<v Speaker 7>That's where it was three hours ago.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure that's where he left.

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<v Speaker 7>The fool was right there over there and took off

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<v Speaker 7>front of him for at the end of this day,

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<v Speaker 7>end or one of the others. That's fourteen minute drive

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<v Speaker 7>from here.

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<v Speaker 6>My main concern is if he's hurting.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean the way y'all said.

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<v Speaker 6>He jumps ran from the politics.

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<v Speaker 3>I got Toldkay when he walked in, it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>little brother to me.

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<v Speaker 7>I got his back like I got had my little

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<v Speaker 7>brothers back.

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<v Speaker 4>But in this situation, I tell where my little brother was.

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<v Speaker 4>I have what tripple was. I tell you well, I'm.

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<v Speaker 6>Heard a bug out there. If you hear anything, lemon know.

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<v Speaker 3>Jennifer was also upset that, in her words, that the

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<v Speaker 3>police seemed to be more concerned with securing and taking

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<v Speaker 3>the four wheeler than they were about finding her son.

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<v Speaker 4>I last talked the trip at one, and I made

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<v Speaker 4>it to the woods at two o'clock, where his phone

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<v Speaker 4>went dead and the full wheeler was already gone. There

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<v Speaker 4>were no cops out theirs. I hollered, went in the woods,

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<v Speaker 4>hollowed for trip nothing but within that amount of time

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<v Speaker 4>that foll whelller was already gone. They weren't looking for

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<v Speaker 4>my kids. They wanted the full wheeler. He followed his

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<v Speaker 4>vehicle up on the embankment after the trip, where it

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<v Speaker 4>looked like he could I possibly use the vehicle as

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<v Speaker 4>a deadly weapon. Actually called me and said they got

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<v Speaker 4>the full wheeler because he was hiding. Apparently that's what

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<v Speaker 4>it sounded like. And I said, Okay, I'm coming to

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<v Speaker 4>get you. He said, well, my phone's about to guy.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, I've got your fans location on all my

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<v Speaker 4>way she said, okay, I said I love you. He

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<v Speaker 4>said love you too. So it wasn't like guy who

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<v Speaker 4>was arguing with him or killing him on the feature

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<v Speaker 4>foot when you get home. It was just coming to

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<v Speaker 4>get you. One I got a weird text message with

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<v Speaker 4>another County Talk who at this time we found out

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<v Speaker 4>was not even on night shift. Pe' dayshift, so why

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<v Speaker 4>did you call my husband's phone at one nine? At

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<v Speaker 4>the same time, I got a weird text on my

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<v Speaker 4>phone from Trip and said they got tripped with then

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<v Speaker 4>one until ocock the foiler was gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Jin and her husband kept searching for Trip throughout the night.

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<v Speaker 2>The police search also went on late into the night

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<v Speaker 2>and into the next day. At four twenty am, Sergeant

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<v Speaker 2>Kenney asked the fire department to send out drones with

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<v Speaker 2>thermal and night vision, but they found no trace of Trip. Later,

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<v Speaker 2>Jen posted on social media that she found that suspicious

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the drones found no trace of Trip,

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<v Speaker 2>even though he was supposed to have.

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<v Speaker 3>Been running through the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>But drones that respond to body heat can have lots

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<v Speaker 2>of obstacles. They don't always work perfectly. They can be

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<v Speaker 2>impeded by trees or outdoor temperature wind, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of other factors. At seven twenty am, the East Arkansas

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Corrections brought in their tracker dogs. The dogs

0:17:04.120 --> 0:17:06.880
<v Speaker 2>were released where Trip had been when he fled the

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<v Speaker 2>Saint but they were unable to get a tracking sent

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<v Speaker 2>on him. Then they were taken to the area where

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<v Speaker 2>Trip's cell phone had last panned.

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<v Speaker 3>Still no luck.

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<v Speaker 2>The Arkansas State Police were called in to assist. So

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<v Speaker 2>now you have the ASP, the Saint Francis County Sheriff's office,

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<v Speaker 2>the Game and Fish Commission, and multiple other organizations, plus

0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.840
<v Speaker 2>tons of local volunteers. Everyone in that county was looking

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<v Speaker 2>for Trip Brazil. Local news crews were talking to Tripp's family,

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<v Speaker 2>and word got out fast, both on the news and

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<v Speaker 2>on social media, and a lot of people were asking

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<v Speaker 2>how this happened. This was a kid who knew the

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<v Speaker 2>area well, so they couldn't figure out how he had

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<v Speaker 2>gotten lost out there and just disappeared, and why with

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<v Speaker 2>all the people searching for him, he hadn't been found.

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<v Speaker 2>Searchers fanned out all over the area where Trip was missing,

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the woods near Crow Creek. The area

0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.040
<v Speaker 2>near where Trip went missing is basically on the edge

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<v Speaker 2>of Crowley's Ridge, which is a continuous range of rolling

0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.880
<v Speaker 2>hills that goes from Missouri across eastern Arkansas. The area

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<v Speaker 2>got its name from the first white settler to reach

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<v Speaker 2>the area, Benjamin Crowley. The ridges happened when the Mississippi

0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.960
<v Speaker 2>River changed course at one point and kept cutting into

0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:29.160
<v Speaker 2>the terrain, so you have this really unique geographical feature.

0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.440
<v Speaker 2>It goes from flat delta country to an elevation of

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty feet really quickly. This terrain can

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty unforgiving even for people who know it well,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's very easy to get lost up there. And

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<v Speaker 2>told the local wrig news channel that she thought that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Trip would walk back to where he believed he

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<v Speaker 2>had left the ATV, and then because the police had

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<v Speaker 2>taken his vehicle, she said maybe he couldn't find it,

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<v Speaker 2>So she reasoned that he may have started walking into

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<v Speaker 2>the woods, gotten disoriented somehow, and gotten lost. His mother

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<v Speaker 2>said that Trip had last been in touch with him

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<v Speaker 2>in the early morning hours on Sunday, that Trip was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the police chasing him, that he was scared,

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<v Speaker 2>and that he wanted his parents.

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<v Speaker 3>To come get him.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she believed that Trip jumped off his atv

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<v Speaker 2>and over a barb wire fence in order to escape

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<v Speaker 2>the officer who was pursuing him. She was basing that

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<v Speaker 2>on the fact that near that fence they found Trip's

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<v Speaker 2>hat in his shoe. This was just a few feet

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<v Speaker 2>from where he came off as four wheeler and started

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<v Speaker 2>running from police. They found something else on Monday too.

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<v Speaker 2>Searchers found more of Trip's clothes, his other boot, his hoodie,

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<v Speaker 2>his cell phone, and his wallet, and Jennifer said the

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<v Speaker 2>way that his clothing was found was odd. His sweatshirt

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<v Speaker 2>was lying on some leaves and his phone, wallet, screwdriver,

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<v Speaker 2>and phone charger were laying on top of the sweatshirt.

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<v Speaker 2>So she wondered, why would Trip have left his stuff

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<v Speaker 2>out there in the dark like that, or could something

0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.400
<v Speaker 2>else have happened to him? Did someone else leave the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff out there?

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<v Speaker 4>Later well, Monday morning, we mysteriously find his other boot

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<v Speaker 4>and his hoodie and siphon and wallet. It wasn't their Sunday,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was their Monday some reason. His sweatshirts, phone wallet, screwdriver,

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<v Speaker 4>and phone charger were laying on top of his sweatshirt.

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<v Speaker 4>But then he hundred yards up the other side of

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<v Speaker 4>the ridge he found his boots. I don't understand that,

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<v Speaker 4>because if I'm gonna go ahead and take off my

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<v Speaker 4>sweatshirt that I have, I'm going to take off my

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<v Speaker 4>last boot that I had on. Anyway, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>go further up and then put my boot there and

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<v Speaker 4>then continue to walk. Because we found his boot and hat,

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<v Speaker 4>and they brought dogs in and the dogs never hit

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<v Speaker 4>on anything.

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<v Speaker 2>So now she was thinking that this was seriously odd.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would he start taking off clothes in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night and keep running. And Jennifer said this

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the first time that Deputy Bonham had gotten into

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of a confrontation with her son and his

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<v Speaker 2>friends over riding four wheelers in that area.

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<v Speaker 4>Just because Tripp had out Randim on the four wheeler before,

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<v Speaker 4>and he told people that he would get him, and

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<v Speaker 4>he made sure that Trip was aware of that that

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<v Speaker 4>he told people. It was supposedly said that this other

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<v Speaker 4>boy he was chasing he pulled up in their driveway

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<v Speaker 4>one day and Trip his name was mentioned in that

0:21:35.360 --> 0:21:38.080
<v Speaker 4>conversation that if he'd seen him again, he would kill him.

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<v Speaker 2>But Deputy Bonham stated in his report that he had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea that the driver who had doubled back and

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<v Speaker 2>passed back by him and turned into a highway four

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<v Speaker 2>O nine was Trip, even when he was close to it.

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<v Speaker 2>On Monday, November fourth, the Arkansas State Police were called

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<v Speaker 2>in to assist. They found Trip's iPhone in the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>It had died, and it was turned over to police

0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.680
<v Speaker 2>and taken in for data extraction. Later that afternoon, at

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<v Speaker 2>around four thirty pm, an Arkansas Game and Fish Commission

0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.640
<v Speaker 2>officer saw something north of Benner State forty, near the

0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:18.960
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and forty three point seven mile marker. It

0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 2>was Trip's body. He was hanging from a tree at

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<v Speaker 2>around four thirty in the afternoon on Monday, November fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six hours after fifteen year old Trip Brazil got

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<v Speaker 2>into a high speed chase with a police officer in

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Francis County, Arkansas, his body was found hanging from

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<v Speaker 2>a tree. We filed freedom of information requests and we

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<v Speaker 2>were able to get copies of the incident report, though

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:05.080
<v Speaker 2>parts of it were redacted, probably due to Trip's age.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>Cover this case because we get a lot of calls

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<v Speaker 2>from parents and from other family members who believed that

0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 2>their loved one did not take their own life, and

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.800
<v Speaker 2>that there was some kind of foul play not suicide involved.

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<v Speaker 2>We wanted to see what we could do to help

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Trip's family get answers. At first, we wondered if Trip's

0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.440
<v Speaker 2>four wheeler incident could have been something else, Maybe the

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.240
<v Speaker 2>police truck had hit him, or there was some kind

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:35.000
<v Speaker 2>of automobile accident. There has been quite a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>publicity in recent years about the so called pit maneuvers

0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:42.880
<v Speaker 2>in Arkansas. That's when police try to stop a high

0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 2>speed chase by forcing the other driver into some kind

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:47.440
<v Speaker 2>of a wreck.

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<v Speaker 3>There have been fatalities as a result.

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<v Speaker 2>Of some of these maneuvers, so we wondered if this

0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.720
<v Speaker 2>could have been a pit maneuver. Deputy Bonham was interviewed

0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 2>about the police chase and he was asked why he

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<v Speaker 2>was chasing Trip in the first place.

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<v Speaker 7>So we can get some clarifications on one thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>of course it would be brought up the reason why

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 7>he was chasing him was because it appeared to you

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 7>he was fleeing from David Kitty. And do you know

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 7>why David Kinny even stopped him for he was just

0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 7>was he just doing a welfare check on was there

0:24:22.360 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 7>a reason for him stime was was there on a

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<v Speaker 7>road that went to voting for admiral for wheelers.

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<v Speaker 6>It was on Highway two twenty four and in the

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<v Speaker 6>area of that neighborhood was driving at the redick speed too?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, anxiously And so do y'all think that this person

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<v Speaker 7>they may have been a part of that kid that

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<v Speaker 7>may have been missing his opinion from Cross County?

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<v Speaker 6>Nosha, I don't these two, Like I said, it was

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<v Speaker 6>eleven and twelve.

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<v Speaker 7>Years old, okay, So you just in that area, but

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<v Speaker 7>then ran across to them and decided to check him

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<v Speaker 7>on the reason why I was saying that because it's

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<v Speaker 7>late at night.

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<v Speaker 6>Late at night, how to four. But there's a lot

0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 6>of people driving through there at that time. You know,

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:00.880
<v Speaker 6>someone's intoxicated and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 7>That give me your reason for chasing him that I'm

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 7>gonna make sure I understood your reason.

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<v Speaker 6>The blue lights and the sirens for the four wheler

0:25:08.360 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 6>to stop, and it didn't stop.

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 7>Okay, But what was the probable cause? I guess what

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 7>I'm trying to say, the excessive speeds and did you

0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:18.680
<v Speaker 7>clock him on radar? Just no, sir, No, I'm not

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 7>trying you know what I'm saying. That just I won't

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 7>because what the family gonna say is this and that

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<v Speaker 7>another other you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that he estimated that his speed was around

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 2>eighty miles an hour while chasing the four wheeler. Now,

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 2>apparently some four wheelers can get to speeds of seventy

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to eighty miles per hour. The more average speed on

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 2>four wheelers ranged generally from around fifty to ninety miles

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:46.160
<v Speaker 2>an hour, though again Deputy Bonum admitted that he had

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 2>no way of checking and did not know how fast.

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:50.400
<v Speaker 3>The fore wheeler was actually going.

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Trip's mom said that he had traveled quite a distance

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 2>from the spot where he left his four wheeler.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they said about sum Orles and it's growth terrain.

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<v Speaker 4>It was Crowley's ruge. I means hold you that you

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 4>couldn't see that was covered up with leaves.

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:12.880
<v Speaker 2>The police said that early indications pointed to suicide, but

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<v Speaker 2>from the beginning Trip's parents felt that the circumstances around

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<v Speaker 2>his death did not add up. Trip's body was found

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of some dense woods. He was hanging

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<v Speaker 2>from a tree overlooking a gully. There was a deer

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<v Speaker 2>stand thirty feet south of where the body was found,

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<v Speaker 2>and police figured out that the green rope that was

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 2>removed from Trip's body was actually a ratchet strap. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a match to the green one that was tied

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<v Speaker 2>around the deer stand to secure it to a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Police cut Trip's body. He was taken to the Morgue

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<v Speaker 2>in for At City, and that's where his mother, Jennifer,

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<v Speaker 2>saw her son for the last time.

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<v Speaker 4>What they're saying, but it's hard to believe that he

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<v Speaker 4>walked up far in the woods and in the creek.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you say he didn't have any damage to the

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<v Speaker 4>bottom of his seat. Nope, none, not a scratch. And

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<v Speaker 4>I walked through those woods for two days and I

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<v Speaker 4>had blisters on my feet and scratches from where Old

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<v Speaker 4>Bob War was laying under leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>His mother wondered why that deer stand, in particular, why

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<v Speaker 2>would he choose that location.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't get to see him until after he was

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<v Speaker 4>brought back to the funeral home, and the first thing

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<v Speaker 4>I looked at wasn't the bottom of his feet, because

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<v Speaker 4>hesedly went there footed and there was no scratch, no bruise.

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<v Speaker 4>But they had his body to overed up. His doctor

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<v Speaker 4>even came to the house that night and Ris' talking now,

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<v Speaker 4>and she said, it's not who Trip was. Trip was

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<v Speaker 4>a I don't give a f kid.

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<v Speaker 2>She said that she was told that the police officer's

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<v Speaker 2>body camera was recording when Trip's body was cut down,

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 2>and the police told her they found no signs of

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<v Speaker 2>foul play, which Jennifer said she found hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, I said, there should be something wrong with the

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<v Speaker 4>bottom of his feet, and I thought for myself that

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<v Speaker 4>nothing was wrong with him. Yeah. Bruising around the eyes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>bruising around the neck, between his big knuckle and ring finger,

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<v Speaker 4>there was a big gash like he had been in

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<v Speaker 4>a fight, Like he was fighting. He was putting up

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<v Speaker 4>a fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Trip's devastated family had to try to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. What would cause a healthy and happy fifteen

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 2>year old to take his own life just because of

0:28:35.120 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 2>an incident with a four wheeler. Why would he kill

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<v Speaker 2>himself over something that seemed to be so minor. One

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 2>of the questions that I had, and that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of other people have had in Saint Francis County and

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere else, is how common suicide is in young teens,

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<v Speaker 2>And would this even be something that someone that age

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<v Speaker 2>would do on the spur of the moment like that.

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<v Speaker 2>According to report from the National Library of Medicine, which

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<v Speaker 2>looked at patterns and suicides in the United States from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine through twenty twenty, In that twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>year period, there were forty seven thousand, two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen adolescent suicide deaths, and hanging in exphyxiation is now

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<v Speaker 2>right up there with firearms as having the highest age

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<v Speaker 2>adjusted suicide rates among Americans of every age. Death rates

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<v Speaker 2>for all means of suicide on average increased annually from

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine to twenty twenty, but actually hanging in

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<v Speaker 2>exphyxiation had the largest absolute increase among male and female adolescents.

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<v Speaker 2>In a nutshell, Sadly, this is becoming a more and

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<v Speaker 2>more common choice for teens who may be.

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<v Speaker 3>At risk of suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>The Arkansas State Police took over the investigation into Trip's death,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was not long before rumors were flying on

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<v Speaker 2>social media. Suicide is not a common occurrence in Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Francis County. According to data from the Arkansas Department of Health,

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Francis County actually had zero suicides in twenty twenty three. However,

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<v Speaker 2>we do have to keep in mind there are only

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<v Speaker 2>just a little over twenty two thousand people in the

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>entire county, so it is pretty sparsely populated, but suicide

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>happens everywhere for children and teens trips age. The causes

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 2>of suicide can be pretty complicated to figure out. In

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<v Speaker 2>around forty percent of use suicides, there is some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of precipitating event like sexual abuse or the death of

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 2>someone close to them, or even things like divorce, But

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<v Speaker 2>that also means that in sixty percent of cases there

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>is not an obvious cause.

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<v Speaker 3>So in a lot of these cases, teens this age.

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<v Speaker 2>Can and do make impulsive decisions that can be hard

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<v Speaker 2>to understand. So Trip's devastated family was true trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make sense of why he would do this, and they

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>also weren't sure about the police's version of events. Tripp's

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 2>families say there were no mental health issues and zero

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 2>indication that he could be thinking of taking his own life,

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 2>but it turned out that Trip did send another text

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 2>that night. We got more of the Foyer file back,

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>and one of the items that we got was a

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 2>picture of a text message that was sent from Trip

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 2>to a family member shortly after he disappeared at one

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<v Speaker 2>forty one am. It read, in part quote, look, I

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<v Speaker 2>love y'all so much, and I'm so sorry to do

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 2>this to y'all. I love you more than anything. I

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 2>guess it took me till now to realize that y'all

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>have been great parents to me. I guess I'm just

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 2>a fuck up and I couldn't change that. I wish

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I could have. I'm sorry.

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 3>None of this is y'all's fault, only mine.

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I love y'all. I'm sorry I should have stopped. I

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 2>love y'all so much. My phone is about to die,

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 2>so I got to go. I hope this makes it

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>to y'all. I never wanted to end this way, but

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it has to end quote. His family reached

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>out to him after that to say they were on

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 2>their way, but Tripp never responded, and at some point

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>his battery must have died out there. This is such

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 2>a tragic story because I completely understand why Trip's parents

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<v Speaker 2>and many other people in the community may have believed

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 2>that there was some kind of foul play involved, but

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 2>the evidence that we have seen does not support anything

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 2>other than a suicide. It seems as though Trip's death

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 2>was a series of unfortunate events. Each one on its

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>own might have seemed small, but taken together, unfortunately, it

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 2>seems they led to a devastating consequence. I wish that

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I had a better answer for Tripp's family, but the

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 2>reality is we may never know why he did what

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 2>he did that night, or what was going on in mind.

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>But I believe that Trip's story is important to tell

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<v Speaker 2>because part of this show's mission is helping families get answers,

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<v Speaker 2>even when those answers may not.

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Be what they want to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty, there was one death by suicide in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States every eleven minutes. I want to let

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>you know there's now a national number that you can

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<v Speaker 2>call for help. It used to be known as the

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<v Speaker 2>National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. Now it's called the nine eight

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<v Speaker 2>eight Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. To reach out, you just

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<v Speaker 2>dial nine eight eight and you'll be connected directly to

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<v Speaker 2>a mental health professional. There are versions of this service

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<v Speaker 2>for veterans. There are versions in Spanish. There's also a

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<v Speaker 2>video version for people who may be hard of hearing

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<v Speaker 2>or who use American Sign language. There are also lgbt

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<v Speaker 2>QI counselors. There are versions of this service for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Trip's death is an absolute tragedy and I can only

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<v Speaker 2>hope that in some small way this might help someone

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>else who's struggling out there to reach out for help.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Katherine Townsend.

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