1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful young mother of 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: two expecting a baby dead. She goes missing and her 3 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: husband makes an urgent play for her return. Now we 4 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: learned the bodies are concealed on a drilling site. The 5 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: two little girls included ages three and four. Their bodies 6 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: concealed in that's of crude oil. Right now, a stunning twist. 7 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 8 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: being with us. Listen. My daddy is a hero. He 9 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: helps me, girl up, helped me. Um, goodie, daddy, Daddy, 10 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: I love you. You are hearing the girls singing about 11 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: their dad. That's Bella and Celeste A just three and four. 12 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: They are found in that sub crude oil. The pregnant 13 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Colorado mom Shenan Watts, buried in a shallow grave at 14 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: that same oil. Feel we want justice. We are taking 15 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: your calls. Nine zero nine four nine Crime nine zero 16 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: nine four two seven four six three. Straight to the 17 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: Lines is joining me from Atlanta. Michelle. Hi, Michelle, what's 18 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: your question? Hi? Nancy? Do we know if the husband 19 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: had any money or mental issue? Michelle? Just stay with me, 20 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: just for a moment. Michelle, why do you assume that 21 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: a man has a mental issue. He had a girlfriend, 22 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: that's his issue. That's the word that he's having an affair. Okay, 23 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: would you call that a mental issue, Michelle, that's really fat. 24 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: I would say that's an issue below the belt in 25 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: his pants, that's the issue. Wow, Michelle, that's not all. 26 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: Hold on, did you know that in New England Journal 27 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: of Medicine study. I didn't believe it. I had to 28 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: bring the author, the researcher, on and question her before 29 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: I believed that the number one cause of death amongst 30 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: pregnant women is homicide. Shannan was about fifteen weeks pregnant 31 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: with a baby boy. She had two girls, baby boy. Oh, Michelle, 32 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: they had the whole thing. That's Saturday. They were having 33 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: the revealed party. She never made it. What about that? 34 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: That's so? This is this is this is really horrible. 35 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: I really hope they find justice. And do you have children? 36 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: Do you have children? Yes? I do, yes. I Well, 37 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: if you're like me, I remember having those sonograms and 38 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: I was in a very high risk pregnancy, and I 39 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: would will look at those sonograms and I will never forget. 40 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: I didn't know I was having twins. Then I found 41 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: out that was a shock, and I'm thinking, how am 42 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: I gonna use all the love I had planned to 43 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: lavish on one child and split it. I didn't know that. 44 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: Like in the Grinch, your heart just gets bigger. But 45 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: then I remember when I went to the doctor and 46 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: they said baby b as in brother had disappeared, that 47 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: that was a common phenomena amongst twins. One child would 48 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: just go away during the pregnancy. And I remember I 49 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: was just heart broken. And I didn't know these children. 50 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: I knew nothing about them except the pictures on the sonogram, 51 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: and that's what she had. Shannan had the sonogram pictures 52 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: of the baby. She was so excited. They had already 53 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: picked out a name, Nico. Michelle. So that in connection 54 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: with the stats that the number one cause of death 55 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: amongst pregnant women is homicide, I don't know. Is that 56 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: a mental issue, Michelle? No, I don't think so that 57 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: is below the belt. Hey hey, Jackie pulled that sound 58 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: for me where Shannan is showing the girls telling the 59 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: girls she's going to have the baby. Not only that, uh, Michelle. 60 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: In Atlanta, the wife wasn't just killed. The children weren't 61 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: just killed the way their bodies were disposed of out 62 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: in an oil field. I mean, just think about it. 63 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: I know nobody wants to think about it, but submerging 64 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: your baby's body down into crude oil, that's so everyone 65 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: doesn't smell as your baby decomposes. I'm a listen to this. 66 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: Guess what, girls, mommy has a baby in her belly. 67 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: Are you guys excited? Yes? Are you really excited? Oh? 68 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: My goodness, don't give me a hut. Oh I love you. 69 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: I love you. Ella. Now when you listen to her 70 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: telling the husband, he's just like, awesome, that's Oh, you've 71 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: got it. Jack, listen to this. I like that shirt 72 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: really really all. Yeah, that's awesome, Michelle. How am I 73 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: going to be able to explain that to my girlfriend? 74 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: What about that? He did not sound excited? No, he 75 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: didn't sound excited. I don't have to be a voice 76 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: analyst to figure that out. Let me ask you a 77 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: question more formally to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 78 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: Ellen Kilauren. Ellen, I'm gonna get back to what we 79 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: know about the crimes. First. I want to know, how 80 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: do you know he was having an affair? Where is 81 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: that even coming from? Investigators found that he was having 82 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: an affair. He initially denied it um but according to 83 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: the arrest of David, I do think that he did 84 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: confirm that it's that it had happened. They had access 85 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: to everyone's phone and a two day investigation revealed that 86 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: he wasn't back having an affair with a co worker. 87 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: Take a listen to a friend of Shenan Watts. This 88 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: this Nicole Atkinson speaking to our friend Clayton Sandale at nightline. Listen. 89 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: He wasn't being the loving Chris that he normally was. 90 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: He wasn't touching or hugging or doing stuff like that, 91 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: and he wasn't being as attentive as the girls as 92 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: he would normally as did she suspect he might have 93 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: been cheating. There was speculation, but she didn't want to 94 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: believe that either. So you're listening to her friends. So, Michelle, 95 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: while I've got you, how can you tell when a 96 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: man is cheating? They definitely become withdrawn, That's all you 97 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: can say. They quit, well, other things I'm more important. 98 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: You're not probably going to have sex, and they're not 99 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: going to touch you. They're not going to be lucky Dubby. 100 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: None of that here. He wasn't paying as much attention 101 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: to the children, and Shanan had noticed. But you know 102 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: the whole thing about the sex, who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, 103 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: Miss Michelle, because she's fifteen weeks pregnant. Hello, something happened 104 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: That tells me a lot about him. He's playing two 105 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: women like a fiddle, two women like a fiddle. One 106 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: is pregnant and he's sleeping with the other one. So 107 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: to Ellen Claurin, you're telling me he confess and that's 108 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: the motive. He couldn't just get a divorce. Ellen, Yeah, 109 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand it. And like you said, maybe the 110 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: pregnancy was a surprise for him. We don't We don't know. 111 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: We could only speculate at this point, Ellen, Ellen, Ellen, 112 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: the pregnancy was his surprise was a surprise. Ellen. You 113 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: know where babies come from? Right? Do I need Joseph 114 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, the forensis expert to explain to where babies 115 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: come from. You don't just sleep with somebody to go 116 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: what you're praying? How did that happen? Well, I think 117 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: they teach you in fifth grade or sixth grade how 118 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: that happens. But I know this when I hear this, 119 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: it nearly breaks my heart. Listen, my daddy is that here. 120 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: He helps me go up, He helps me good. Chill. 121 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: Office filed formal charges against Christopher Lee Watts. The charges 122 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: that we filed are as follows, three counts of murder 123 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: in the first degree after deliberation, one count naming Shennan Watts, 124 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: one count naming Bella, one count naming Celeste. Each of 125 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: those is a Class one felony. We also filed two 126 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: counts the first gree murder of a child under the 127 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: age of twelve by a person in a position of trust. Obviously, 128 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: you can tell, based upon the elements of those in 129 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: the description that those counts named Bella and Celeste as victims. 130 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: Those are both also Class one felonies. We filed one 131 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: count of unlawful campering excuse me, unlawful termination of a 132 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: pregnancy in the first degree, which is a Class two 133 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: felony as a result of Shenan being pregnant at the 134 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: time of her death. We filed three counts of ampering 135 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: with a deceased human body, each of which is a 136 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: Class three felony, each of whis each of which count 137 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: obviously names Shenan, Bella and Celeste. As victim, you are 138 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: hearing the announcement of three murder charges leveled against loving 139 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: husband Christopher Watts. His wife found buried fifteen weeks pregnant 140 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: in a shallow grave on the property of Anna Darko 141 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: Oil and drilling nearby. His two little girls, Bella and Celeste, 142 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: dead bodies submerged in a vat of crude oil. We 143 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: are taking your calls nine oh nine four nine crime 144 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: nine oh nine four nine two seven four six three. 145 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: Let's go straight out to the lines. Chris calling in. Hello, Chris, 146 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: what's your question? What was the motive? Well, Chris, Um, 147 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: you know there's never a decent motive for murdering. I 148 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: don't mean to argue with you, but are you suggesting 149 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: when people ask me what's the motive? Like, is there 150 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: a good motive for murder? But here we know as 151 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: I was just explaining that there apparently had been an 152 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: affair and while she, the wife, was so excited about 153 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: being pregnant for the third time, I don't think he 154 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: was that excited. I mean, Chris, let me ask you, 155 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: are you married? Yeah? Well that doesn't sound very enthusiastic. Um, 156 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: I hope your wife's not listening. Have you ever been divorced. 157 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm going through a divorce now, Oh okay, that okay, 158 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: all right, now I can understand the the less less 159 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: than enthusiastic response, Why why why have you decided to 160 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: seek a divorce instead of just why to just kill 161 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: your wife? I'm doing the right thing. I don't think 162 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: the killing would be the right thing. You do the 163 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: right thing, and a divorce, well, that's why it's not 164 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: the right thing. And now this guy's looking at the 165 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: death penalty and here's the kicker. But as as to 166 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: your question, I think he didn't one another child. They 167 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: had had a bankruptcy and it managed to rack up 168 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of dollars of debt. Since then, the 169 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: wife goes to work and starts bringing in more money 170 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: than him and traveling. All that together spells trouble. Ellen 171 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: to Lauren joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. 172 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about I want to go 173 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: into her travel and how that affected the marriage, But 174 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: what can you tell me about their debt? We know 175 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: that they filed for bankruptcy and two thousand, fifteen UM 176 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: and at that time they claimed that they only had 177 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: a few hundred dollars in the chucking account and almost 178 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: no money in savings, student loans, credit card debt, mortgage payments, 179 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: two kids. Um, they were just really really overwhelmed. We 180 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: do know in the next couple of years the situation 181 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: changed a little bit, and that's largely because Nan ended 182 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: up getting a good job that seemed to have paid 183 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: her a good salary and gave them a lot of 184 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: extra perks. But Chris's income seems to have dipped a 185 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: little bit over the years, and we're not sure why 186 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: that is, because he was at the same job, same company, 187 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: a good job with a good salary. Yeah, it was 188 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: eighty grand, eighty thousand dollars a year. She was part 189 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: of one of the health supplement patches. In fact, in 190 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: some of her photos I've looked at online on Facebook, 191 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: she's pointing to it a little patch, you know, like 192 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: people used to wear. We'll still do the Nico Durm 193 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: patch to get rid of smoking. This was a tiny 194 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: square patch of health supplement. But part of it was 195 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: like am wey. You not only sell the product, but 196 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: you recruit other people, and then the more you recruit, 197 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: the higher you go up the pyramid, and more people 198 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: under you. You take a cut of everything they bring 199 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: in as well, a tiny percentage, so it's incentive for 200 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: you to recruit more people. So she was traveling to 201 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: exotic locations recruiting. She would post those pictures being a 202 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: full time mom in the last hours. Guys, the development 203 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: is her father, Shanan's father breaking down, full on crying 204 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: in court, the son in law, Christopher Watts, showing up 205 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: in shackles. The dad sobbing in court because now Christopher Watts, 206 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: the husband has jumped up and said that he yes 207 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: killed his wife after he saw her on the baby 208 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: cam strangling the two daughters. Well, when Shananne's father hears this, 209 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: he just breaks down and cries. The father of murder, 210 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: Shannan Watts, weeping silently and uncontrollably. His son in law, 211 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: Christopher Watts, facing nine felony charges. The fifty five year 212 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: old dad just crying as Judge coup Cow read out 213 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: the charges against Watts. Three counts of murder one two 214 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: of those the children terminating a pregnancy, three counts of 215 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: tempering with bodies. The brother of Shannen, I'm watching him 216 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: right now, rubbing the dad's back, patting him on the 217 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: shoulder as the husband just sits there. He wouldn't even 218 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: look up. He wouldn't even look up at anyone in 219 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: the courtroom joining me. Joseph Scott, Morgan, Vincent Hill, Ashley Willcott, 220 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, Ellen Colauren just got Morgan. In a bizarre, 221 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: bizarre request, the defense demands that the medical examiner swab 222 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: the girls next, claiming they think there will be touch 223 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: of d N A there. Clearly what they're going at 224 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: is trying to suggest that the mothers strangled the girls. 225 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: Let me just tell you that didn't happen, Joe Scott. 226 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: But what do you think is behind this unusual request? Yeah, 227 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: I think that they're trying to to you know, they're 228 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: they're trying to play defense from the beginning. Uh. Here, 229 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: they're trying to also suggest that it could have been 230 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: another perpetrator that may have come into the home. Uh. 231 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: And it's it's it's fantastical. First off, you know, we 232 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: don't need to judge in the medical legal community coming 233 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: in and telling us how to do our job. And 234 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: the morgue in a case like this would be standard 235 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: operating procedure not only to to swab for DNA, but 236 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: also to do a rape kit. We don't need someone 237 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: and telling us to do that. Well, wait a minute, 238 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Do you typically swab 239 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: someone's neck? Do we typically swab someone's neck? Well, if 240 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: there's an indication that there's trauma there, yeah, I think 241 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: that that would be standard operating procedure. Okay. I think 242 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: what the defense is doing is just trying to put 243 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: it out there and get it in the court of 244 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: public opinion, trying to suggest Shenan comes home from out 245 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: of town, the husband tells her he's leaving her for 246 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: the other woman, so she kills the children. Oh uh 247 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: uh oh h e double l No, it wouldn't be 248 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: the children. I'd kill you know what? My husband uh 249 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: talking to him and he said, so and so has 250 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: an open marriage, Ashley Wilcott, I said, the day you 251 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: asked for an open marriage, you can count on an 252 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: open caskets. How about that, Ashley, Oh my god, I 253 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: think brother and Nancy earlier when you asked the caller, 254 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, what is what kind of man cheats? I'm 255 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: like one that's breathing. I don't really literally mean that. Men, 256 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: gentlemen listening in those on the phone. I'm just saying 257 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: it is so so so tiring to hear the same 258 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: old story. And not cheating men murder, not all cheating 259 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: men murder, but the fact that that was his motivation 260 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: in this case. And I'm just going to kill the 261 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: kids and kill my wife. Who does that? Who goes there? 262 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: This is a crazy, awful, disgusting game. Three murder charges 263 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: levels against loving husband Christopher Watts, his wife found barried 264 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: fifteen weeks pregnant in a shallow grave out to the 265 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 1: line Stacy in Alabama High Stacy Nancy. Chris Watt is 266 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: full of crap. He is saying that his wife has 267 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: strangled the two daughters. That does not add up when 268 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: you look at the timeline and when she got home 269 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: and when there there's not enough time for that to 270 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: strangle these shell drene then too for her to go 271 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: put them in a barrel, and and then there to 272 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: be an altercation with this horrible murderer than him to 273 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: murder her and then bury her. The timeline does not 274 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: add up. I listened to you every day. I adore you. 275 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: I stopped you in the hall at crime con. I 276 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: told you how much I love the Haley Dan Mysteries 277 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you, Nancy. You are not dealing with 278 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: this bull crap. You do not believe it, and neither 279 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: do I. UM. It's just it's it's insulting what he 280 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: is expecting not only a grand jury to believe, but 281 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: the general public to believe. So UM, I'm here with 282 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: you and I am listening daily, sister. Thank you for 283 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: seeking the truth, number one. Thank you for everything you 284 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: just said. And I remember meeting you at crime kind 285 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: in the hall by the way. Thank you for calling in. 286 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: And I want to go through what you just said 287 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: when they take this to a jury, and they will 288 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: because he's going to be looking at the death penalty. 289 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: This is mass murder under the Code book. Anything more 290 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: than one body is mass murder, and that's a qualifier 291 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: for the death penalty, a special aggravating circumstance, along with 292 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: killing someone under a certain age, which these children qualify for. 293 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: But to be they're locked into this now, they're locked 294 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: into this because this is what he told cops. That 295 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: she killed the children and then he killed her and 296 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: disposed of all the bodies. What an insult to the 297 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: memory of Shane. We have been able to recover the 298 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: body that we're quite certain body. We have a strong 299 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: reason to believe that we know where at the bodies 300 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: of the children are and recovery efforts are in process 301 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: on that. They're doing their best right now to figure out, 302 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: like if they can get a sent see where they went, 303 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: if they went on foot, they went in a car, 304 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: they went somewhere. She wasn't here, the kids weren't here, 305 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: nobody was here, did you guys canting argument before? It 306 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't like an argument. We had emotional conversation. 307 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: But I'll leave it at that. But it's I just 308 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: want them back. I just I just want them to 309 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: come back. And if if they're not safe right now, 310 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 1: that's what's that's what's tearing me apart, because if they 311 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: are safe, they're coming back. But if they're not, this 312 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: this this has got to stop. Like somebody has to 313 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: come forward, just come back, Like if somebody has her, 314 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: just please bring her back. I need to see everybody. 315 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: I need to see everybody again. This house is not 316 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: complete with without anybody here. Please bring it back. I'm 317 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: watching him as he speaks, and the whole time he's speaking, 318 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: he's shaking his head. No, that is from my friends 319 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: at k mg H. He has his arms crossed in 320 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: front of him. He's going back and forth from left 321 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: foot to right foot, and the whole time he's saying, 322 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: bring them back, bring them back, he's shaking his head. No, Well, 323 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: now we know why. He knows they're not coming back. 324 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: He knows where they are. They are buried on an 325 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: oil field, the children in vats of crude oil. Over 326 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: what un affair? What he didn't want the baby. Then 327 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: get a divorce and pay through a little child support, 328 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: you know, drop a stagy pampers on the front porch 329 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: like half the men that are not paying their child 330 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: support due I mean, but really strangling her and now 331 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: at a stunning twist, he puts the blame on her, 332 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: joining me Ellen Colauri in Crime online dot Com. There 333 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: you can find the full affidavit. Karen Start, New York 334 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: psychologists Ashley Willcott, judge lawyer, founder of child crime watch 335 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: dot com. Vincent Hill caught turned p I, and Joseph's 336 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: Got Morgen forensics expert, professor at Jacksonville State University and 337 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet. You know, I'm trying 338 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: to figure out if there's going to be a forensics 339 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: way to prove this shameful lie is just that a 340 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: lie with him turning the blame, this killer turning the 341 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: blame on his wife. To Karen Stark, New York psychologist, 342 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: he uh, is timeline changed with what he said, and 343 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: he his own story that he gets she gets sent 344 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: around one or two o'clock in the morning, and then 345 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: he leaves for work at five o'clock in the morning 346 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: and they had this emotional conversation where where that makes 347 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: his scenario virtually impossible. So, Karen Stark, what do you 348 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: make of his lies? I'm not at least surprised, are you, Nancy? 349 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is a psychopath. He will say 350 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: anything to make sure that he can escape from being 351 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: blamed for this. I'm not even surprised that he's now 352 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: putting it on her and saying, well, he had to 353 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: kill everybody. Of course, anyone would kill everybody. He had 354 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: to kill everybody because she was trying to kill the girls, 355 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: and so he had to kill her, and then he 356 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: had to go ahead and bury the bodies and not 357 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: reported to the police. The whole story stinks, but he's 358 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: very smooth. That's what a psychopath does. They don't just 359 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: get divorced. They decide that they are going to murder 360 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: because they don't have a conscience. So why not, let's 361 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: just get rid of everything and go on with my life. 362 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: And that's what he did. I really believe that the 363 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: Colorado husband and father, Christopher Watts, now accused of murdering 364 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: his pregnant wife and his two little girls, Bella and 365 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: Celeste before he dumps them in an oil site, now 366 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: tells cops it was his wife, not him, who strangled 367 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: the baby girls, and that then he strangled her out 368 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: of rage. And I'm learning this from an affidavit for 369 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: arrest that has just been released, and we've gotten it. 370 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: It's on crime online dot com. Christopher Watts, thirty three, 371 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: according to Belize, have been having an affair with a 372 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: co worker. How predictable Vincent hill Cock term. Can a 373 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: man just surprised me and do something different? You know, Nancy? 374 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: I I asked that all the time, even when when 375 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: I was doing p I work in Tennessee. People would ask, 376 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: I think my spouse is cheating on me? And I 377 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: would always tell them, if you believe that, chances are 378 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: they are. Because some of their patterns have changed. There's 379 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: something that they used to do that they're not doing. 380 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: But let's be clear about Christopher Watts. I assure you 381 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: the investigators from day one, we're looking at him, even 382 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: during his BS interview about bringing them back, because the 383 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: spouse is always the first person investigators look at. So 384 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: I don't even think they were buying his story from 385 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: day one. We don't know that for sure, but if 386 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: I was an investigator, I wouldn't have bought his story. Ah. 387 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: He tells police he Chris Watts was looking at the 388 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: family's baby monitor. Why why is he looking at the 389 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: baby monitor A number one? And he sees his wife 390 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: strangling daughter Celeste, age three. The daughter Bella, aged four, 391 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: was already lying on her bed and appeared blue. Man. 392 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: That must have been some baby monitor that he could 393 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: figure all that out. And our baby monitor we had 394 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't see a thing, which is all fuzzy and gray. Um. 395 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: After that, he says, he goes into a rage and 396 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: he strangles her. Have fun with that defense attorney that's 397 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: taking this case. Try to make uh silk purse out 398 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: of cow's ear on that as you will kint with me, 399 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: Guennial judge lawyer founder of child Crime watch dot com 400 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: Ashley Way in this case discuss me. Here's the other thing. 401 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: I think. I really wonder if he did not murder 402 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: his two children while she was out of town, and 403 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: then she came back in town and the gig is up, 404 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: so to speak, and she realizes what he's done, and 405 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: he just decides he'll kill her too. I this case 406 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: sickens me, and I think at the heart of it, 407 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: we all need to remember it's not just murder of 408 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: a family, it's child abuse to start and then resulting 409 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: in murder our nancy even worse. I'm sorry. Go ahead. 410 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: Let's say the little girls actually walked in on something 411 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: that was going on between Chris and his wife, and 412 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: then he says, well, I gotta take care of them 413 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: because they too could be a witness. Either way, it's sick, 414 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: but we don't know what happened. But if those little 415 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: girls saw something, that's the last memory they will ever 416 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: have a lot of. You know, my part of my story, UM, 417 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: my health challenges, UM, ad relationships, UM things that could 418 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: have knocked somebody down completely hardcore. UM. But the thing 419 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: is is, I believe that everything in life happens for 420 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: a reason. And I also believe people are placed in 421 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: our life for a reason. You're hearing Shennan Watts in 422 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: our own Facebook video post talking about meeting and falling 423 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: in love with her husband, Christopher Watts, the father of 424 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: her three children, now accused of her murder and the 425 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: murders of Bella and Celeste ass three and four and 426 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: their unborn baby boy. The revealed party was set for 427 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: that Saturday, said to be named Nico. We are taking 428 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: your calls straight out to Bob. Hey, Bob, what's your question? 429 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: All right? Well, I have a comment. I think that 430 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: the prosecutor, his prosecutor could call on friends and acquaintances 431 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: of the wife to let everyone know how much she 432 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: loved her daughters. In other words, um, they can be uh, 433 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: they can be opposed uh to to the prosecutor simply 434 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: by by letting people know how much he loved her 435 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: her daughters. You know, that's a really good defense, especially Ashley, 436 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: if you pack the jury with moms, all right, moms 437 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: that there's no way that they would do this to 438 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: their own daughters. And I mean, if you love your 439 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: children so much, then don't have an affair and ruin 440 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: the marriage. It's easy you can go pick somebody up 441 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: in the potato shipile at at at Kroger or Biggly 442 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: Wiggily or public. Yeah, there's always somebody you can pick up. 443 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: But the reason you don't do it, even though you 444 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: might be mad at your spouse that day, because you 445 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: don't want every other weekend with your children. If you're 446 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: lucky Ashley, well, that's if you care about your children, 447 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: you put them first as a parent. Clearly, clearly this 448 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: gentleman man. I'm not going to call h a gentleman. 449 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: He's not. This murder did not care enough about his 450 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: children to put them first. And that's what it boils 451 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: down to. If you're gonna put them first, you're not 452 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: gonna have an affair, you're not going to break up 453 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: the marriage, and you're not going to murder your family, Ellen, 454 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: Ellen colauren, Um, you had a question about the potential 455 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: defense in this case. Yeah, Um, I have a question 456 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: about how his defense team thinks that they're going to 457 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: convince a jury that Chris Watts found his wife strangling 458 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: his two daughters and doesn't call nine one one. How 459 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: is how are they going to explain? Well, how are 460 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: they going to do it to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, 461 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: you're the forensics expert. How are they going to do it? 462 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: I've got a pretty good idea, but let's here yours. Yeah, 463 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, I think that they're probably going to talk about, 464 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, that old legal theory about the heating and 465 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: cooling of blood. The defense is probably gonna put forward 466 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: that that he was so impassioned and so enraged he 467 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: flew up there and and you know, choked out the wife. 468 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: And they've they've already been saying this, Nancy, over and 469 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: over again. But it's the dog won't hunt. It's just 470 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: not gonna hold water. As far as I'm concerned, what 471 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: about it? It's joining me, Vincent Hill cop turned p 472 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: I what about it? Yeah, I don't think it's gonna 473 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: amount to a hill of beings either, Nancy, because I 474 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: assure you investigators combed through that house looking for all 475 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: evidence in this case, whether it be fibers, prints, you 476 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: name it. They're building their case against Chris Watts, and 477 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: this whole story about his wife choked the girls as 478 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: a load of crap as far as I'm concerned, and 479 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: I think the evidence will show it as well. Out 480 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: to the lines calling from Idaho. Hello, caller, what's your question? 481 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: Not Colorado father. He's a liar. He killed that family 482 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: and he's a liar, and nobody's dumb out here. We 483 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: all know his game. He's he's played it out. Tell 484 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: him to confess. You know what, You're right. I think 485 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 1: that you can see it a mile away that he 486 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: is lying, and it is in direct contradiction to what 487 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 1: he first said, that he came home and they had 488 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: a quote emotional conversation and then he went to work. 489 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: It's funny how Karen Stark liars will weave a little 490 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: bit of truth into what they're saying. I bet they 491 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: did have an emotional conversation. He told her he was 492 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: having an affair with a coworker and that he was leaving. 493 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: I guess that was emotional, but the rest was BS, Karen. 494 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: And no one's better at doing that, Nancy, than someone 495 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: who is a psychopath a pathological liar, because they believe 496 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: their own lives and they get everyone else to believe 497 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: it because they're such smooth talkers. So yeah, he would 498 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: have her head on his lap and he would comfort her, 499 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: and knew could be sure that he is capable of 500 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: pretending anything that he wants to. We are taking your 501 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: calls nine nine nine crime nine six three. Let's go 502 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: to Yodi in l A Hi Yoti. I am completely speachless. 503 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: I have no words. I don't even know. I can't 504 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: even believe this. If this is will like, how can 505 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: you do this to your own children and wife? I 506 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: believe this guy was she didn't with other women. What 507 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: he just wants to get rid of them. Don't have 508 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: to pay tild support or spend any money on them. 509 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. Was the case. He should just 510 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: leave or he should do something to himself, not too 511 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: his wife and innocent children. This is the worst thing 512 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: that I've ever seen my whole life. I am completely peachless. 513 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: I have no words. I just cry cry. Yodi joining 514 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: us from l A. I I could not agree with 515 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: you more. Of course, her friends knew something was horribly 516 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: wrong when she missed a doctor's appointment. Take a listen 517 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: to close friend of Shannanne Watts. This is Nicole Atkinson 518 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: speaking to our friends at nightline listen. Atkinson had seen 519 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: Shannan that morning around two am, she says, dropping her 520 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: off at home after returning from an out of town 521 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: business trip. She went inside, turned around and waved at 522 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: me and shut the door. But several hours later, the 523 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: thirty four year old mother of two isn't answering her phone. 524 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: She misses a doctor's appointment. Shannan was fifteen weeks pregnant. 525 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: She was going to get it here the baby's heartbeat 526 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: and see how he or she was doing. Growing worried, 527 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: Atkinson says she went over to their house. Things were 528 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: not how I would things that they were supposed to be. 529 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: I guess the front door was locked differently than it 530 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: normally was. I had my son to look in the 531 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: garage to see if her car was there, and it 532 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: was there, which was really peculiar because Shenan doesn't go 533 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: places without her car, usually because both of the girls 534 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: are in car seats. But then when the same friend, 535 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: Nicole Atkinson, speaks to Christopher Watts, listen to her reaction. 536 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: So he tells you everything's normal. She's on a play date. 537 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: And you didn't buy that, no, because Shenan, like in 538 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: my mind, I couldn't figure out why she'd go on 539 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: a play date without her car. So apparently he tells 540 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: this woman to call Atkinson that they had all gone 541 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: on a play date and right then she knew it 542 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: was all a lie. Karen starrk Now, now it's three 543 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: stories he's told so far, as he just complete psycho. Yeah, 544 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: I mean he's able to keep coming up with new 545 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: stories in a way that you would find hard to believe. Nancy, 546 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: you put this guy in a situation and he will 547 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: keep coming up with another story that will blame somebody else, 548 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: that will take it away from him, that will try 549 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: and show him to be loving and terrific. Because he's 550 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: capable of doing that. He can do it all. We 551 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: are talking about the case of Christopher Watts, his wife Shannan, 552 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: and both children now dead. We wait for justice to unfold. 553 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye friend.