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Speaker 1: Sid and Nancy. Season two, Episode five, special guest Adam
Speaker 1: Wiley Air Day, October thirty, two thousand and one. Adam welcome,
Speaker 1: How are you hey?
Speaker 2: I'm well. How are you look? I did this for
Speaker 2: you and you're.
Speaker 1: A fantastic Yeah, I see it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You look like you got a Walmart hat on. There
Speaker 1: you go nice, There we go.
Speaker 2: Now we're good. Now we're hem.
Speaker 1: Adam's known for his role in Picket Fences, The Swan Princess,
Speaker 1: the Broadway play Into the Woods, in which was actually
Speaker 1: incorporated into the script. We will tell you about that later.
Speaker 1: We see Adam first in season two, episode nine, Runaway
Speaker 1: little Boy, as Brad Langford, a student at Chilton who
Speaker 1: is absolutely terrified of Paris. So we know that his
Speaker 1: character is mentally healthy. You were going to We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about all about you, but first let's recap
Speaker 1: this episode. Luke takes in his wild seventeen year old
Speaker 1: nephew Jess, ignoring laws well intentioned advice, and Rory is
Speaker 1: drawn to the new guy in Town, directed by the
Speaker 1: Great Michael Cattleman and written by the Great Amy Sherman Palladino.
Speaker 1: Jess is in town. Adam Luke gets called from his
Speaker 1: sister Liz and her son Jess is going to stay
Speaker 1: with Luke, so Luke puts Jess on the floor in
Speaker 1: a blow up raft next to his bed. Luke has
Speaker 1: a hard time managing Jeff Jess, to say the least,
Speaker 1: and his antics around town are many. Most likely with
Speaker 1: push from Laurel I, Luke eventually takes charge of Jess
Speaker 1: and and set some boundaries for all of his wrongdoings.
Speaker 1: What's your first impression of Jess?
Speaker 3: I mean, my first impression of Jess is that he's
Speaker 3: a troubled kid. I think as soon as he comes
Speaker 3: off that bus, you feel the energy that he's been
Speaker 3: tossed around, that he doesn't want to be there, and
Speaker 3: that he's just you know, this is this is just
Speaker 3: his life now, this is another day, and he's angry.
Speaker 3: He's angry at the world and feels like he's been
Speaker 3: his own parent for so long that that's the just
Speaker 3: the way it is, there is no structure. He is
Speaker 3: the structure. He hates it, right and he hates everyone
Speaker 3: because of it.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, right out of the gate, you see that,
Speaker 1: you know Luke and Jess. Is there chemistry right away?
Speaker 1: What do you think ken feeling getting? What do we
Speaker 1: get in between Luke and Jess?
Speaker 2: You like it?
Speaker 3: Here's the thing I think with Luke and Jess, you
Speaker 3: can tell they're related, right. The energies are so similar
Speaker 3: with the two characters, you definitely know that they are family.
Speaker 3: I think I think Luke is excited for the opportunity.
Speaker 3: I don't think Luke knows how to handle it, and
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty obvious. I think it's obvious from
Speaker 3: the cold open that Luke doesn't know how to handle children.
Speaker 2: And that just I mean.
Speaker 3: That may with with the just the whole interaction with
Speaker 3: with the with the Scout troop, you can see that,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's just and maybe that's because he
Speaker 3: doesn't like Taylor, but that's that's a whole, that's a
Speaker 3: whole nother like can of worms, and you.
Speaker 1: Got to think and the whole, you know, hierarchy of
Speaker 1: the Danes family. Luke is a successful one. He's absolutely,
Speaker 1: he's like the one that went off and you know,
Speaker 1: created a huge business and he's super successful. So I
Speaker 1: mean if if you know he's got the diner, he
Speaker 1: works his butt off, he's a successful one.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Imagine what a sister's like, because just seeing Luke at
Speaker 1: the Pinnacle and Jess getting off the bus, it's like, whoa.
Speaker 3: There's a few panicked phone calls by Luke's sister too, right,
Speaker 3: and so that causes a lot of alarm, going ooh,
Speaker 3: if this is what Jess has had to grow up with.
Speaker 3: He's always in chaos, and so he's got to find
Speaker 3: some kind of calm, which you know he turns to
Speaker 3: reading and the big one.
Speaker 1: Magic mm hmmmm hm.
Speaker 2: Just great. I don't know why, but I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: I loved this. I loved I love the Rory's line
Speaker 1: if you ever doing a if you ever do another
Speaker 1: magic trick again and pull something out of an area
Speaker 1: that I don't want you to, I'll never speak to you.
Speaker 1: I guess it's like stop with the stick. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not that you're not impressing me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think my favorite line in the
Speaker 3: entire episode, though, is is Lorelai talking to Luke and saying,
Speaker 3: you want to get him something inflatable, get him up,
Speaker 3: get him up, blonde.
Speaker 2: I was dying. Oh good.
Speaker 3: That's like he has some good equips in that one,
Speaker 3: some just good one liners.
Speaker 1: So you know, and Milo couldn't be more opposite to
Speaker 1: this character is the amazing part about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just you know, he came on set and just
Speaker 1: ingratiated himself right away with everybody, never acted like, you know,
Speaker 1: he was the man or that you know, he he
Speaker 1: didn't try to. I mean, he understood that he was
Speaker 1: coming into a situation that was established. He had respect,
Speaker 1: so and we like that.
Speaker 3: I never got to work with him, unfortunately, but I
Speaker 3: feel like we've done this for a very long long time.
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, well maybe one day, just circling. Maybe
Speaker 1: one day, maybe one day.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll get to push him into a lake.
Speaker 1: And I'm yes, and I'm very proud of work we
Speaker 1: did together. We did some iconic work together, the lake push,
Speaker 1: you know, the relationship there. I really thought that relationship
Speaker 1: elevated the show somewhat because now we see Luke in
Speaker 1: a different type of situation. We'ren't expecting to see it
Speaker 1: really is, I mean, and I think the fans really
Speaker 1: receive received it very very well.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. I would agree.
Speaker 1: Again, it's like the writing. He got to do that writing,
Speaker 1: Like I always comment on how lucky I feel to
Speaker 1: be able to do that writing and be in the
Speaker 1: imagine this. So this is a starm the just rolls
Speaker 1: of star making role right an anybody who's lucky enough
Speaker 1: to get that role. It's so well written right away,
Speaker 1: right off the bat. It's like it's like James Dean
Speaker 1: and Rebel Out cause it's it's all of those great
Speaker 1: care it's it's it's Brando. It's it's right in the
Speaker 1: uh in on the waterfront, or or there was a
Speaker 1: movie he did, a motorcycle movie he did before called
Speaker 1: the what was it? What was the Brando film he
Speaker 1: did when the early Brando films. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Motorcycle Leader. What was it called? Anyway, But it's that
Speaker 1: kind of a role where it's just like it's it's incendiary.
Speaker 1: It just it hits like a bomb and it's like boom,
Speaker 1: this guy has arrived. This actor has arrived in this role.
Speaker 1: That is so far afield from what the Wild One?
Speaker 1: The wild One? Yes, right, and that's it. That's the perfect, perfect,
Speaker 1: perfect description. Yeah, and it just it just you know,
Speaker 1: a bomb detonates and star stars hollow.
Speaker 2: Oh right, but what's it going to do.
Speaker 1: It's gonna scramble everybody's eggs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's looking for a night out and
Speaker 3: it stars hollow. There's there's that line that that Rory
Speaker 3: says that even the twenty four hour can nvenience store
Speaker 3: closed at nine, which is also such a such a
Speaker 3: great line. But if you also look at Luke through
Speaker 3: the relationship of Jess, you know, at first he's like
Speaker 3: he can handle himself. I mean, he's not a he's
Speaker 3: not a baby, he's not a child. And then he
Speaker 3: realizes immediately, oh he is a child. Oh he does
Speaker 3: need structure. Oh I can do this. I can figure
Speaker 3: it out. And it does force Luke to kind of go, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm a parent, now I gotta I gotta do this.
Speaker 3: And it's really kind of awesome to not only see
Speaker 3: the structure happen, but to see it work immediately.
Speaker 2: It just works, and it's so good to see that.
Speaker 2: I think it's good. I think this.
Speaker 3: Relationship in particular, and this move by Jess is great
Speaker 3: for both characters.
Speaker 1: Oh made me very sad, you know, made me very sad.
Speaker 1: You know, this kid has so much potential.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's smart.
Speaker 1: It's gonna take years. It's gonna take years for him
Speaker 1: to get out of this. It's not just a quick fix.
Speaker 1: It's not just Luke, you know, tough loving him into
Speaker 1: a discipline, into a new dawn and a new realization
Speaker 1: his eyes open in six months. Now, this is years.
Speaker 1: This is yeah, totally, this is years of you know whatever, abuse,
Speaker 1: bad parenting, and it's gonna take it's going to take
Speaker 1: that much time for him to come out of it.
Speaker 1: And it just it just breaks my heart to see it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's really the point.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I love the fact how he plays it like he's
Speaker 1: not aware of it, where it's just a super confidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that does make him aware of it.
Speaker 3: I actually think that that is the bravado he has
Speaker 3: to have to survive. He's in pure survival mode at
Speaker 3: that point and he knows nothing else. That's how he's
Speaker 3: parenting himself is by being overconfident. So I actually do
Speaker 3: think he is aware of it. I think that that's
Speaker 3: the way he's learned to cope with himself.
Speaker 2: He hates he hates the situation.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a big, big changes everything for Laurel
Speaker 1: I too, because the alarm bells are going off inside her.
Speaker 1: It's like, boy, and how close is she gonna let
Speaker 1: him near her daughter, who's like, you know, this perfect
Speaker 1: China doll who's going off to Harvard or yet you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And the influence starts.
Speaker 1: Oh man, oh man, that's that's when you're begin the work.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's go to the family dinner. Okay.
Speaker 1: That that Laurel I invites everybody over for dinner to
Speaker 1: meet Jess.
Speaker 2: What a nice quart?
Speaker 1: What what? What an exceptionally nice thing? And he is
Speaker 1: so very nice. He's so rude to Laurel I.
Speaker 2: He is, and he just wants to bail. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: just wants to bail. He's like, I'm grabbing a beer
Speaker 2: him out right.
Speaker 1: So Rory just meets Jess and we immediately see they
Speaker 1: have chemistry. Right, we learned he likes books. We see
Speaker 1: the look on Rory's face and I think it's a.
Speaker 4: Collective uh oh in the audience, right, does not appreciate
Speaker 4: the help and tells Laurel ies she should she wouldn't
Speaker 4: give the best advice because she was pregnant at sixteen.
Speaker 1: That was harsh.
Speaker 2: That was that comment was harsh. It was harsh when
Speaker 2: I when I actually heard it, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3: Oh and no, wonder they're fighting.
Speaker 1: Let's let's stick into this, Okay. Yes, tell me, Adam,
Speaker 1: do you think Laurel is overstepping with Jess or is
Speaker 1: she helping Luke?
Speaker 2: Helping Luke?
Speaker 3: Because if you, especially because of that interaction in the
Speaker 3: very beginning in that cold open with the with the
Speaker 3: Scout troupe, I really think that she is Like, this
Speaker 3: guy's clueless and he needs all the help he can get.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been a mother for obviously.
Speaker 3: Sixteen years or whatever it is, and I can really
Speaker 3: help this guy.
Speaker 2: And he's a good dude.
Speaker 3: He's just he's a little clumsy in how he deals
Speaker 3: with people. And I can help. You know, I've got
Speaker 3: I've got a good demeanor. I know how to deal
Speaker 3: with with kids. I know how to deal with actually
Speaker 3: troubled and rebellous kids.
Speaker 1: Why is he so defensive? Why would he say that
Speaker 1: to her?
Speaker 2: Why would Luke say that to her? Yeah, you're pregnant
Speaker 2: at sixteen?
Speaker 1: What the hell do you know? I mean, what a blow?
Speaker 1: What tell me? Why say that?
Speaker 3: Hereious, here's why I think you'd say that. And obviously
Speaker 3: you know this character inside and out. I have no
Speaker 3: idea why you think you'd say that. But from an
Speaker 3: audience point of view, Luke has proven, especially thus far
Speaker 3: in the show, to not be good with his emotions.
Speaker 3: And when, in my experience, when people aren't wonderful with
Speaker 3: their emotions, the first thing when they feel threatened.
Speaker 2: Is to bite. So he tries to bite his way
Speaker 2: out of the situation.
Speaker 1: It's a deep insecurity one.
Speaker 3: Hundred percent, And I feel he tries to bite his
Speaker 3: way out of the situation and it comes across hurting
Speaker 3: somebody that he really cares about.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's tough, That's really tough.
Speaker 1: She he interprets like, she doesn't have confidence in me.
Speaker 1: She doesn't think I'm smart enough or capable enough to
Speaker 1: deal with the situation. So she feels she has to
Speaker 1: intervene and overstep without talking to me first.
Speaker 3: Right, one hundred percent? One hundred percent? Which is is
Speaker 3: that the right way to handle it. No, I think
Speaker 3: it should have been a very I think it should
Speaker 3: have been a plan for sure.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's moving the goalpost to suit his insecurities? Right?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I got it? I got it. Why are you doing that?
Speaker 2: You know? I appreciate you doing this. I didn't really
Speaker 2: need it.
Speaker 3: He'll be fine, He's okay, right, Okay, you're gonna tell
Speaker 3: me what to do. Now, I'm gonna now I'm gonna
Speaker 3: come at you. Oh I'm really sorry for coming at you.
Speaker 1: It does seem like he values her opinion, right, and
Speaker 1: he's quick to course that right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course he cares about her a lot at
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 1: So this kind of back and forth, right, this kind
Speaker 1: of back and forth, it's good for a relationship.
Speaker 5: What do you think? What do you think?
Speaker 3: I think with I think especially Lorelei and Luke's back
Speaker 3: and forth, they have such a good chemistry. The quips
Speaker 3: to be able to humble people, especially people you really
Speaker 3: care about, I think are a good thing. If you
Speaker 3: have somebody in your life that doesn't challenge you and
Speaker 3: help you grow, then what are you doing with that person?
Speaker 2: That's how I feel personally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you nailed it. I agree hundred percent. You think
Speaker 1: Laurel I was right. I think Laurel has got really
Speaker 1: good instincts. Yes, and it's really easy to see that
Speaker 1: character Jess and go oh oh.
Speaker 2: Totally totally. It's red Flag City, like, there's no there's
Speaker 2: no tub about it.
Speaker 1: It's obvious.
Speaker 2: Man, yeah, sure, crazy.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into Rory Jess. We immediately see
Speaker 1: their chemistry with the books. The writers know what they're
Speaker 1: doing bringing in Jess to break apart the Dean and
Speaker 1: Rory relationship. Do we like what they are doing? Do
Speaker 1: we want Dean to go? Do we want Jess to
Speaker 1: step in? Now? How do you feel?
Speaker 3: I think that's an audience member to audience member question,
Speaker 3: because this is a huge question.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get them all on the phone, guys,
Speaker 1: let's get all the fans on the phone right now.
Speaker 2: Let's ask one at a time. Here we go, Yes,
Speaker 2: first caller, you're on.
Speaker 3: In my personal opinion, no, I'm not rooting for her
Speaker 3: to explore a wild side with Jess.
Speaker 1: What are the chances of success with Jess in your opinion?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, right now? Chances negative four, negative five.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty slim.
Speaker 3: To none that Rory is going to be some incredibly
Speaker 3: good influence on Rory. I think it's so much more
Speaker 3: likely that Jess is going to be the worst influence
Speaker 3: Rory can have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's literate. He reads books.
Speaker 2: Great, awesome, so many people who read books. If he
Speaker 2: can read a book, then he can read a book
Speaker 2: to understand. Hey, man, maybe I need therapy and.
Speaker 3: Not bite everybody's head off because my situation sucks.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Read that well?
Speaker 1: I mean, at seventeen, you know who's introspective? At seventeen,
Speaker 1: you know nobody nobody, no, no.
Speaker 2: Not even introspectives are introspective.
Speaker 1: They certainly are. They think they are, but they're not.
Speaker 3: Everybody thinks they are. At seventeen, we had it made.
Speaker 3: We were in control of life.
Speaker 1: So how was that Ginsburg Owl?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Great? The masterpiece of the beat generation. M boy, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you that's uh. That's the one book you don't
Speaker 1: want your daughter reading if.
Speaker 2: She had it to r That's fair, It's very fair.
Speaker 1: I remember when I was fifteen, my older sister gave
Speaker 1: me a book and my mom was like, you really
Speaker 1: don't want to read that to you? You don't want
Speaker 1: to do that and it was. It was a Season
Speaker 1: in Hell and a very good translation of it, Rambo's
Speaker 1: The Season in Hell, and it blew my mind. Some
Speaker 1: things should not be read until you're of age, right, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But the impact books can make on the young mind
Speaker 1: is it's extraordinary.
Speaker 3: Books are the biggest influence that I think one can have,
Speaker 3: and that's mainly because you can you say your own
Speaker 3: reality inside your head.
Speaker 2: Of what that means exactly.
Speaker 1: The imagination is engaged. You build your future inside your head.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: I don't know how kids are doing it today by
Speaker 1: looking at the screen. TikTok, that's it, I think, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, where's the imagination? Where? Where? Where are the
Speaker 1: worlds that you're creating inside your head? I don't know that. Well,
Speaker 1: we can get that's that's another podcast.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 3: I think the only world you can create inside your
Speaker 3: head with a digital age and a digital generation is
Speaker 3: how do I want to come across in these videos?
Speaker 3: And I think there's some very creative people that are
Speaker 3: editing inside their head going on there we goicklick click
Speaker 3: click click click, and that's how they think now because
Speaker 3: there's no words to read, you know, how do I
Speaker 3: do this?
Speaker 2: In under a minute. And there there, there there you.
Speaker 1: Have right, right, But I, but I The thing that
Speaker 1: is so romantic to me and so intriguing hooks is
Speaker 1: that there's this intellectual connection between Rory and Jess. That
Speaker 1: she doesn't have a Dean.
Speaker 2: That's true. That's where Dean is from a small town
Speaker 2: and he is a small town minded.
Speaker 1: So so you know, now we've got this art is involved. Now,
Speaker 1: art is going to take over now and you know,
Speaker 1: aesthetics are at play, so interesting, interesting dynamic. All right,
Speaker 1: Rory in Paris Chilton, Wow, the conflict is real.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Paris is the editor of the school paper, The Franklin,
Speaker 1: does everything in her power to punish Rory because she
Speaker 1: is holding a grudge against her from her date with Tristan,
Speaker 1: her quote unquote imaginary date with T. PJ. Harvey. She's
Speaker 1: still harping on this and it never happened. Paris tells
Speaker 1: Rory the wrong meeting time for the first meeting of
Speaker 1: The Franklin that year and gives her story accoun but Rory,
Speaker 1: Rory knocks it out of the park right what she does,
Speaker 1: and then Paris intentionally assigns Rory an uncomfortable piece about
Speaker 1: Max Medina, and that's just we have to concede. Paris
Speaker 1: is an evil genius, right.
Speaker 3: Listen, Paris is my is one of my favorite characters
Speaker 3: in the entire show. And I've said this for a
Speaker 3: very long time. I think that she is a gem
Speaker 3: of a human when she allows herself to be.
Speaker 2: So I do. I do agree with you. She's she's
Speaker 2: absolutely an evil genius.
Speaker 1: So we see that she's going to force her to
Speaker 1: talk to mister Medina about her piece. That's it's very awkward,
Speaker 1: you know, and I love how it was handled, and
Speaker 1: I love that they both confess to each other. I
Speaker 1: wish you I wanted to be your stepdad and I
Speaker 1: wish you were going to be my stepdad.
Speaker 3: And that was very so cute that she goes off
Speaker 3: the record to do that. Yes, pauses the recorder and
Speaker 3: it's like, I just want you to know. Can we
Speaker 3: just also stay that Like you can really see Laura
Speaker 3: Lai in Rory all the time and kind of vice versa.
Speaker 3: You can understand exactly why they are two peas in
Speaker 3: a pod. They both have the same tendencies and they
Speaker 3: both have such great hearts, and you really see it there.
Speaker 2: It's such a good moment.
Speaker 1: You're right, But but Rory has that softer candy shell.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true now because she wasn't raised with Laurie's parents, right.
Speaker 3: I mean that has a lot to do with how
Speaker 3: you know, she was in survival mode as well her
Speaker 3: entire childhood, and everyone thought, oh, this rich girl hasn't
Speaker 3: made and she's like, yeah, sure, emotionally I don't right, right, But.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like Rory can't
Speaker 1: stand up for herself. In fact, she displays a real
Speaker 1: emotional maturity here. And some games she can play. She
Speaker 1: can play Paris's games and beat her.
Speaker 2: We see that so good.
Speaker 3: That is so good when she takes the piece and
Speaker 3: just gets those kudos and finds that she finds the good.
Speaker 3: I think Rory ultimately is really great about finding the
Speaker 3: good in the situation and really exposes the good instead
Speaker 3: of being mad, instead of biting back, she punches back
Speaker 3: with good. It's very cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a wolf in sheep's clothing sometimes, isn't she.
Speaker 2: Totally She's unexpected. She's very unexpected. She will say that,
Speaker 2: all right, see.
Speaker 6: Your character, Brad, Yes, hi, Brad, you left chilting for
Speaker 6: a bit because of Paris. Okay, do you think he
Speaker 6: could have ever stood up to Paris like Rory does?
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not, kind of melt melted like a puddle.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I don't think No matter how confident Brad
Speaker 3: ever got, I think it would have birded.
Speaker 2: Those triggers, no matter.
Speaker 3: What he would have been like, I got this, I
Speaker 3: can stand up to everybody in my life on Paris.
Speaker 3: I think Paris would have always been the I'm too
Speaker 3: scared to deal with life moment, no matter what.
Speaker 1: Right, All right, now we move on to the iconic
Speaker 1: push that we'll call it the the push. Luke picked
Speaker 1: Jess up from school and confronts him about Taylor, accusing
Speaker 1: Jess being a thief stealing that donation money for the bridge.
Speaker 1: Jess once Luke to essentially stopped caring for him, he
Speaker 1: tells him, as they walk and talk across the bridge
Speaker 1: until Luke shoves him in. Now this is one of
Speaker 1: the you know it was a we did thirty God,
Speaker 1: we did something like we did so many takes of
Speaker 1: that walk and talk? Really yeah, we did like thirty Wow,
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute, but I thought it
Speaker 1: was a different director because this was Michael Cattleman. So
Speaker 1: maybe it was a different scene with a walk and
Speaker 1: talk with Jess that we did so many takes. I
Speaker 1: think it was a different director.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is all one shot of the
Speaker 2: walk and talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, it is one shot. I think it took
Speaker 1: a few takes. But that that push off the off
Speaker 1: the bridge, that's one take. Because yeah, had had we
Speaker 1: to do it again, it would have required Milo to go,
Speaker 1: you know, into his trail, change his clothes into dry clothes,
Speaker 1: and then redo his makeup and the thing, and it
Speaker 1: would take would have taken an hour, hour and a half.
Speaker 2: Right, totally, it would have been a long day.
Speaker 1: That would have been a long day. So they know
Speaker 1: they told they told us, hey, you got one shot
Speaker 1: at this.
Speaker 3: This is also it was. It was perfectly shot, and
Speaker 3: you guys nailed it. I have to say, you guys
Speaker 3: really nailed it. Because when you see that argument and
Speaker 3: walking off, you guys walk off with the exact same cadence. Right,
Speaker 3: It's hilarious. Luke getting so much mad that nothing is said,
Speaker 3: he just what pushes him. It's like it's one of
Speaker 3: those moments where like, oh, like it's so funny.
Speaker 2: And then you're like, it's not gonna it's not gonna end.
Speaker 1: Well, but the dialogue leading up to it was like
Speaker 1: you would have expected Luke to walk in the opposite direction.
Speaker 1: Those should walk walk in opposite directions, because he said,
Speaker 1: leave me alone, get stop following me, stop doing this,
Speaker 1: get out of you know, get out of my life basically.
Speaker 1: So then yeah, instead they walk together in unison, in harmony.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think that's the moment where Luke figures
Speaker 3: it out, where he goes, leave me alone, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: This kid clearly can't be alone.
Speaker 3: This is what got you here, right, And so no,
Speaker 3: you know, you little I'm gonna walk next to you, right,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna do this whether you like it or not.
Speaker 2: And then he's just like, you know what, screw this kid.
Speaker 1: You know what. I missed this show. I really too.
Speaker 1: What a great experience that was working with the yeah
Speaker 1: and working in these situations. What a gift, What a gift.
Speaker 3: What I have to say watching back and rewatching all
Speaker 3: of the episodes is that I wish I would have
Speaker 3: appreciated it as much when it was happening as I
Speaker 3: do watching it, because it's one of those shows that's
Speaker 3: so classic that no matter how you're feeling, it's going
Speaker 3: to help.
Speaker 2: It's one of those shows. It's a comfort show.
Speaker 1: Every day I was there, it felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was on stage in New York and we were
Speaker 1: doing theater and it was challenging every day, and it
Speaker 1: was you get to work with great actors every day
Speaker 1: with these great words, and what a treat that was
Speaker 1: that job, man.
Speaker 2: It's so amazing. What I also love is the subtleties.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things where you can watch an
Speaker 3: episode three or four times and catch something different because
Speaker 3: there's a lot of hidden subtleties and every single episode.
Speaker 3: This one didn't have any, but usually if you watch
Speaker 3: the seasons as a whole. It's funny because Amy loves
Speaker 3: to reference music Man specifically throughout the entire show. She
Speaker 3: has a lot of musical theater references, but music Man
Speaker 3: is the one that comes up the most. And I
Speaker 3: and I figured out why. It kind of just clicked
Speaker 3: that stars Hollow is river City, Iowa.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: So if you really look, there's so many music Man
Speaker 3: references and it makes me crack up as a musical
Speaker 3: theater nerd watching it because I'm like wow, because they're
Speaker 3: in River City, Iowa. Like I get all of these clips.
Speaker 3: There wasn't any in this particular episode, but it happens
Speaker 3: so much, right, so much right right right.
Speaker 1: Closing scene just runs into roy Intown, does a couple
Speaker 1: of magic tricks. Right, we've talked about these stolear book, yes,
Speaker 1: owl put some No, it's in the margins. Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: he's really she he's really smart. And the coin trick,
Speaker 1: the coin tricks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he shows how smart he is for sure.
Speaker 1: Yes, right. What's her level of interest in him?
Speaker 2: I think he's very intriguing because there's things to know.
Speaker 1: What is her level of Oh it's her.
Speaker 2: I thought you said mine that.
Speaker 5: Was like.
Speaker 1: You know, it started out at kind of like zero, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it was a zero or one, and I
Speaker 2: think now it's like an eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably sticks to eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Total. You think Jess already sees the potential and Rory
Speaker 1: right away? What do you think? What do you how
Speaker 1: do you think he sees her?
Speaker 3: I mean I think he sees her as a cute
Speaker 3: girl that he can just kind of corrupt right away.
Speaker 2: I think he's like, ah, you'll do let's go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's go.
Speaker 3: No, we're we're doing this thing. And I think he's
Speaker 3: testing her, you know what, I think, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I think he thinks she's the one.
Speaker 2: Really, you think that.
Speaker 1: I think he knows that right away that she's the
Speaker 1: one and he's never gonna be good enough for I
Speaker 1: think he's in love observation right away. Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: knows he can't touch her or can't have her, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna try like hell, because he's she's gonna save him.
Speaker 2: That's how he sees her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can save me.
Speaker 3: There's nothing worse in life than relying on somebody to
Speaker 3: save you or thinking you can save somebody else. And
Speaker 3: it happens all the time daily. It's heartbreaking to see
Speaker 3: because I think, I think you're absolutely right, And I
Speaker 3: think Jess just doesn't have confidence in himself in that moment,
Speaker 3: because he could he could be there is a world
Speaker 3: where he could be with Rory and be incredibly happy,
Speaker 3: but he knows that the changes that he would have
Speaker 3: to make are so significant, doesn't He doesn't see even
Speaker 3: a step to be able to.
Speaker 2: Get to that floor. There's no way. Yeah, that's an.
Speaker 3: Interesting take that that he thinks that she's the one
Speaker 3: right away. That's that's a good observation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he can recognize that. He knows why, it's why
Speaker 1: is there. He's thunderstruck right away. Boom. All right, Adam Wiley.
Speaker 1: Fan questions here we go. Fans want to know, they
Speaker 1: want to know, Adam. Let's talk about Into the Woods. Okay, okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So your character had to leave to star in Broadway. Okay,
Speaker 1: that is a fact. Brad had to leave. No more, Brad.
Speaker 1: But because we're going a Broadway now, yes, well, you
Speaker 1: were actually in that same Broadway production with the role
Speaker 1: of Jack. What was it like to have your time
Speaker 1: on the show referenced?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, gosh.
Speaker 3: When I got back from New York and moved home
Speaker 3: after however long and got the script for Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 3: cracked it open and saw that my Broadway career was referenced,
Speaker 3: I died laughing. I thought that there was nothing more
Speaker 3: genius than this, and it was almost like Laura I
Speaker 3: herself teasing me in a sense, and I loved every
Speaker 3: second of it. I thought it was the biggest honor
Speaker 3: that I could possibly have, especially that there was an
Speaker 3: actual New York Times review in the script.
Speaker 2: There was nothing that was cooler in that moment in time.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I've experienced much that's cooler since,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: So tell us about your own relationship with Broadway. You
Speaker 1: did TV as a kid and Broadway. Yeah, what were
Speaker 1: you more passionate about.
Speaker 3: I was passionate about what would hire me. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be honest with you. I feel like I have severe ADHD.
Speaker 3: So pulling myself into a million different directions is something
Speaker 3: that I'm really really good at and become accustomed to,
Speaker 3: to be honest, and if I'm not doing one thing,
Speaker 3: I kind of miss doing it. So when I wasn't
Speaker 3: filming TV, I was doing Broadway, I missed it, but
Speaker 3: it was happening at the same time. So when I
Speaker 3: first started, I was doing Beauty in the Beast in
Speaker 3: LA and I was filming picket Fences, So I was
Speaker 3: doing pick offences during the day Beauty and the Beast
Speaker 3: at night, and they were across the street from one another,
Speaker 3: so I could see the theater from the studio and
Speaker 3: vice versa, and it was just it was like, this
Speaker 3: is living. I get to do both. So I never
Speaker 3: really had that choice of I had to choose. Even
Speaker 3: when I was doing Into the Woods, I was on
Speaker 3: another TV show, So I never have that choice, And
Speaker 3: I think nowadays it's become so seamless to do both
Speaker 3: that it's just a different world.
Speaker 2: If I had to choose, I don't know if I could.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, but.
Speaker 3: I think ultimately I would pick TV because Broadway is
Speaker 3: the hardest work you can possibly do, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: as an actor in your life, you have to be
Speaker 3: It's a twenty four hour a day job. People think, oh,
Speaker 3: you're just doing a two and a half hour show.
Speaker 2: No, no, you're not.
Speaker 3: You have to prep every single day to be so consistent.
Speaker 3: Especially if you're singing. You have to be vocally in
Speaker 3: tiptop shape all the time. You have to be aware
Speaker 3: of what you're the food you're taking in. You have
Speaker 3: to be aware of how much sleep you're getting. Do
Speaker 3: you have as reflux so you need to sleep with
Speaker 3: a humidifier, is your bed propped or you're getting enough sleep.
Speaker 3: You have to check in to see if your voice
Speaker 3: is still there. You know what notes are you hitting?
Speaker 3: Can you even speak that day? There's so much to
Speaker 3: worry about. It is a constant battle. It's a constant,
Speaker 3: constant maintenance. Whereas with TV it's not that. It's not
Speaker 3: that at all. Right, right, You've got takes, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Just just keeping your voice in shape alone, is there? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I did all.
Speaker 1: Those exercise Yeah, it's singing is.
Speaker 2: Hard, it is.
Speaker 1: And to do it, and to do it every day
Speaker 1: form every day, that's that's man, that's hard.
Speaker 3: It's a lot. Eight shows a week is no joke.
Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a war, especially when you're doing
Speaker 3: it for a nine month contractor or more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot, it's a lot. What's your favorite Broadway show?
Speaker 3: My personal favorite Broadway show is Big River And I
Speaker 3: got to play Huck Finn in North Carolina, and I
Speaker 3: was I've done the show three times, but the time
Speaker 3: that I got to play Huck was like obviously my favorite.
Speaker 3: He never leaves the stage. You know, the singing in
Speaker 3: it is is insane. For Huck, he just never stops talking.
Speaker 3: He does magic in it, which is great, and he's
Speaker 3: just singing and dancing and narrating the story. So for me,
Speaker 3: that was my dream role and I and I got
Speaker 3: to play it. That was my ultimate dream role. So
Speaker 3: that's my favorite show. That's my favorite show because of
Speaker 3: the relationship between Huck and Jim. It's an incredible story.
Speaker 3: I love that Relationshob Did you have any on set crushes?
Speaker 3: Did I have any? I think if you didn't have
Speaker 3: a crush on Alexis, you weren't human if you were.
Speaker 2: My age to be as to a few, So yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, of course.
Speaker 1: Okay the song cherish, yes, pick for you to sing
Speaker 1: a graduation in the show.
Speaker 2: Yes, how was that?
Speaker 3: So? I listened to that style of music every single
Speaker 3: day of my life, mostly because when I was in
Speaker 3: my younger years, my mom was transporting me and she
Speaker 3: was in control of the radio, which means that Krona
Speaker 3: one and ninety nine point nine were constantly on the radio.
Speaker 2: So the oldies but goodies.
Speaker 1: That was a massive song in its day.
Speaker 2: It was huge.
Speaker 1: Everybody in my generation learned a slow dance to that song.
Speaker 2: Oh so good.
Speaker 3: And so when I first heard I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: the cherish is the word I used to describe bong bong. Okay,
Speaker 3: I got I got it, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 3: So we go and we we do the rehearsal and
Speaker 3: I sing the bong bong and everyone's like, what are
Speaker 3: you doing there?
Speaker 2: That's how the song goes. And I was completely oblivious
Speaker 2: that the supposed to see these bong bongs.
Speaker 3: I was just following the music, like in my head, going, no,
Speaker 3: that's that is that is how this goes.
Speaker 2: That is that is it?
Speaker 3: And it does this bong bong and then you you
Speaker 3: go uh and it was funny and they were like
Speaker 3: heye bit and I was like, oh okay, Like I
Speaker 3: didn't get it at the time. I didn't get why
Speaker 3: it was funny. I just did it right right, But
Speaker 3: I love that song. The song is incredible.
Speaker 2: Do you get recognized for being on Gilmore Girls? Every
Speaker 2: single day of my life? Isn't an amazing it's Mezls.
Speaker 3: I will be anywhere, especially when I'm performing at the
Speaker 3: Magic Castle. People are you that guy from Gilmore Girls
Speaker 3: the graduation right, Brad? You're the Paris Brad. And it's
Speaker 3: amazing how many people also know the trivia and are like,
Speaker 3: I know you actually went to Broadway and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Whoa, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: It's it's shocking every time that the show it really
Speaker 3: is just as popular now as it was.
Speaker 2: Oh more so, you think so, more.
Speaker 1: So, more so, more people are a Netflix. The numbers
Speaker 1: are creaty, the streaming numbers are nuts. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean it's like been off the air for you know,
Speaker 1: eighteen years, and it's still number six and number seven
Speaker 1: on Nielsen Raiding. Yes, streaming numbers, yes, what a.
Speaker 2: What a blessing for us as actors to have that
Speaker 2: show man.
Speaker 3: I still walk into like random spots where you can
Speaker 3: buy T shirts and I'll see a Luke's T shirt
Speaker 3: or a mug and I'm just like, it's so awesome.
Speaker 1: They're ubiquitous. They're everywhere. That logo is everywhere.
Speaker 2: The Luke's logo is everywhere.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Adam. A joy to reconnect.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you for having me. I would love to
Speaker 3: you have me anytime.
Speaker 1: We have so many more questions to ask you. We
Speaker 1: didn't get to all of them. Apologize to fans for that,
Speaker 1: but we're running out of time here. Please come back.
Speaker 1: All the best to you. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you for having me. I praraazy gentlemen, mister.
Speaker 1: Adam Wiley, and thank you all for all your cards
Speaker 1: and letters and your downloads. Best fans on the planet,
Speaker 1: and remember where you lead, we will follow and Adam
Speaker 1: is going to be there too. Stay safe, everyone.
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