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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joined today by Jake Seey from The Athletic

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Speaker 1: and by Ryan Heath from Fantasy Points Fellas. We are

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Speaker 1: into July. It is July second as of the day

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Speaker 1: we are recording this, so we are just a month

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Speaker 1: away from the height of draft season. But really it

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Speaker 1: does feel like it ramps up right about now that

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Speaker 1: July fourth is kind of the milestone for where things

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Speaker 1: really kick into high gear. So it's a very exciting

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Speaker 1: time of year. I'm really excited to be talking some

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Speaker 1: running backs to run from on today's show with the

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Speaker 1: two of you. These are running backs that we will

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Speaker 1: be avoiding, and we're gonna throw in some at the

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Speaker 1: end that maybe, even though they're risky, have some red

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Speaker 1: flags that we are still considering drafting as well. Jake,

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Speaker 1: like I said, into July, now, how are you doing, man.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, and I'm doing really good. It's July.

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Speaker 2: I have what two or three more weeks before the

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Speaker 2: real hell storm starts for all of us, but at

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Speaker 2: least it's creeping in. We know that the people want it.

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Speaker 1: I feel like every year gets a little bit earlier

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Speaker 1: and earlier in the off season that you see the

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Speaker 1: swarm start covering.

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Speaker 2: All the sites. We're all doing the same thing as like, well,

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Speaker 2: they're already out of so now we need to jump

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Speaker 2: in front of them, and we need to jump in

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Speaker 2: front by the time we turn around in two years,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be releasing this kit on like maybe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's earlier at earlier year. Ryan, this is the

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Speaker 1: first time we're doing a show together. Man, thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me so much. Very excited. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: awesome to meet and work with both of you. This

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Speaker 3: should be a really fun show.

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Speaker 1: What do you have going on at Fantasy Points right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, kind of just grinding through a bunch

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Speaker 3: of off season articles. I am writing about a bunch

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Speaker 3: of different metrics that we have in the Fantasy Points

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Speaker 3: data suite and like some different ways that those can

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Speaker 3: get you an edge in your fantasy league. So talking

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Speaker 3: about like design, targets, expected Fantasy Points, all sorts of

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Speaker 3: good stuff. So yeah, you can check all that out

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Speaker 3: all my writing on fantasy points dot com.

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Speaker 1: Jake, any projects you're working on at the Athletic.

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Speaker 2: Actually my breakout top seven wide receivers just came out

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Speaker 2: today and I actually use Fantasy points to back up

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Speaker 2: my opinion of Josh Downs and using his separation score

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Speaker 2: and win rate percentage. I like to do the mix

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Speaker 2: of both. And so yeah, I was on the site yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Scott Barrett for that.

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Speaker 1: Nice We love the synergy going on here already. Quick

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Speaker 1: reminder for everybody that all of our twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros dot

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Speaker 1: com slash rankings. You can go to all your different

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Speaker 1: scoring formats. From there, We're gonna got to go through

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Speaker 1: some early round running backs first that we think are

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Speaker 1: a little overvalued, then some mid round guys. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: wrap with the players that we are considering still drafting

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Speaker 1: even with some of these red flags. Jake, let's start

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Speaker 1: with you, your first overvalue running back that's going early.

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Speaker 2: I figure, why not coming out of the gate strong right,

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Speaker 2: Just everybody to turn the show off, like screw it,

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Speaker 2: not listening to the rest of it. But it'ch Ashton

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Speaker 2: more than most everybody did coming to this draft. We

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Speaker 2: know how good he is. But then I look at

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Speaker 2: he's going because if we're going by consensus, he's RB

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Speaker 2: not because I don't believe in Genty, not though I

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Speaker 2: don't believe that the Raiders offense can be better than

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Speaker 2: I just don't believe in taking Genty in front of

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Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey argument out there, but I'll still take him,

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Speaker 2: mostly because I know this team still has to face

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Speaker 2: I just look at Genty and I go back to

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Speaker 1: That's all it is.

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Speaker 2: It's not that I hate him, I just hate where

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Speaker 1: Ryan, what do you think about gend He's RB four,

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Speaker 3: I am kind of with Jake here. I'm glad that

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Speaker 3: Jake picked him because genty was who I wanted to

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Speaker 3: a much better offense than Vegas or anyone in the

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Speaker 1: Ran, would you rather Genty or Derek Henry? Because you

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Speaker 3: So my overvalued guy is someone that Jake actually just mentioned.

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Speaker 3: So I would just much rather have kind of any

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Speaker 1: I really agree with you on this one, Ryan. I

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Speaker 1: think the point about Love's injury is just like very

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Speaker 1: if they are as run heavy this year as they

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Speaker 1: quickly ask you before I throw to Jake on Jacobs,

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Speaker 1: do you think Jordan Love is then undervalued if you're

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Speaker 1: expecting more passing? He's currently QB seventeen. I know this

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Speaker 1: you are lower on Jacobs, does that mean that you

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Speaker 1: are higher on Love.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a bit higher on Love than that. It's

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Speaker 3: hard for single quarterback leagues just because like the big

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Speaker 3: upside qbs are really all that matter, but yeah, certainly

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Speaker 3: in super flex, I think Love is a great pick,

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Speaker 3: this is Matthew Golden and Jayden Reid. If I'm correct

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Speaker 1: Jake, how do you see this offense plan out as

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Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs overvalued at RB nine.

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Speaker 2: I actually think he's probably pretty much right in value.

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Speaker 2: a lot with what Ryan said. It mostly comes down

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Speaker 2: we're still talking about over three hundred and thirty carries

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Speaker 2: forty targets, which that's all. I don't expect Josh Jacobs

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Speaker 2: think the touchdown equity is still going to be valuable.

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Speaker 2: I do think that I actually have him for less

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Speaker 2: touches or fewer touches to do it correctly according to

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Speaker 2: Game of Thrones, fewer touches in the run game. But

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Speaker 2: I still think hovering around three ten to three twenty

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Speaker 2: receptions included is why I'm okay with Jacobs. I would

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Speaker 2: their touches could be similar. I think the touchdowns will

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Speaker 1: My dad is an English teacher, so that line of

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Speaker 1: Game of Thrones of fewer is his favorite line in

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Speaker 1: the show. I would have to imagine, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I love Jake when you say I agree with what

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Speaker 1: Ryan said, because I can pretend you're talking about me,

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Speaker 1: and that actually works because I could agree with the

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Speaker 1: let's go to your next early overvalued running back.

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Speaker 2: Way overvalue in my opinion, and this was before the signing.

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Speaker 2: To add even more concern in this backfield Chubb. But

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Speaker 2: we always say like we never own a player, and like, well,

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Speaker 2: I actually will never own because I have Joe Mixon

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Speaker 2: in the mid twenties. I cannot ignore the injury concern

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Speaker 2: the signing, and honestly, even if you look at the

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Speaker 2: say that, hey, if Joe Mixon isn't one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: similar skill set in some ways to Joe mix in

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Speaker 2: And I think that you see that the Texans were

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Speaker 2: know that Damian Pierce hasn't been the answer since his

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Speaker 2: Nick Chubb and said, like, hey, maybe Joe Mixon, we

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Speaker 2: should be more concerned than we already were. I already

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Speaker 2: had Joe Mixon outside the top fifteen before the signing,

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Speaker 2: and like I said, now I have him down in

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Speaker 2: the range of like a Pachecko. Like I'd rather just

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Speaker 2: take Pachecko and hope he rebounds to his pre injury

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Speaker 2: performance than to gamble that mixing is anything what he's been.

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Speaker 2: And as much as we've enjoyed mixing in fantasy, I

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Speaker 2: don't think you'll find a single person that would argue

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Speaker 2: But if he's not getting three hundred touches and he's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake, even aside from the more crowded backfield, Like

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Speaker 1: I think we're hoping that the Texans throw more too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was it became like a running gag

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Speaker 2: As that there's the Giants offense. They stole their playbook.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm with you on this, Like, I could

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Speaker 1: from it. Ryan, what do you think about mixing this year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with pretty much everything that Jake said.

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Speaker 3: Another thing I would add is that this Texans offensive

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Speaker 3: line could once again be easily the worst in the league.

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Speaker 3: The reports right now out of camp are that they're

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Speaker 3: just rotating starters at all the positions. They don't know

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Speaker 3: where anybody's actually playing like that. That's just very very

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Speaker 3: bad vibes to me. So yeah, fully with Jake here,

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Speaker 3: I also do not want mixing on any of my teams.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys think that there will be more scoring opportunities,

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Speaker 1: Like you're expecting a bounce back from the offense in general,

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Speaker 1: and we're just not certain that those scoring opputems are

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Speaker 1: hesitant about actually seeing kind of a bounce back with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just hesitant kind of about everything in Houston.

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Speaker 3: We have seen CJ. Stroud just take awful, awful sacks

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Speaker 3: the defense runs a stunt, he just immediately gets. The

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Speaker 3: Texans line was the worse against stunts of any team

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Speaker 3: last year. So yeah, I just think that it, at

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Speaker 3: least in that respect, teams have kind of figured out

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Speaker 1: Jake, where do you think this offense finishes the season scoring?

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Speaker 2: I would love to say middle of the pack, But

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Speaker 2: I think another part of it is even if it

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Speaker 2: Ryan Ryan Heath was saying about the Packers is I

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Speaker 2: think you could see them passing more. To your point

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Speaker 2: affect Joe Mixon even if we didn't have the job

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Speaker 1: Ryan, who's your next early overvalued running back?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my next guy's a little bit boring because it's

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Speaker 3: a very like one dimensional argument and reason. But it's

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Speaker 3: James Cook for me. I think he's overvalued still, and

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Speaker 3: the reason for that is really just touchdown regression. So

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Speaker 3: Cook converted twenty five percent of his red zone carries

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Speaker 3: into touchdowns last year. That was easily the most in

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Speaker 3: the NFL. It was more than all of the league's

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Speaker 3: Derrick Henry, better than David Montgomery, like just all insane

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Speaker 3: On top of that, Josh Allen is always going to

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Speaker 3: off the top, at the very least at fantasy points.

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Speaker 3: We have a metric called expected Fantasy points per game,

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Speaker 3: which will just kind of show you how valuable each

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Speaker 3: the goal line or what have you. But by that metric,

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Speaker 3: Cook ranked as just the RB twenty five last year

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Speaker 3: with only twelve point six expected Fantasy points per game.

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Speaker 3: Right now, he's going as around the RB twelve, kind

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Speaker 3: of as a fringe RB one. That's how he scored

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Speaker 3: a step back as a receiver, averaging just two point

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Speaker 3: four targets per game, and that was because of Ty Johnson,

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Speaker 3: I don't like it at all. Generally, to be like

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Speaker 3: seems unlikely for Cook at least if they continue to

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Cook is a fade for me right now.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about this one, Jake? I know,

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Speaker 1: in addition to everything that Ryan has said, you know,

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Speaker 1: Pat Fitzmorris here at Fantasy Rose is also really high

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Speaker 1: in Ray Davis just says, like another person in this backfield.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Cook is overvalued, Jake, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, he's slightly overvalued. It seems that at least somewhat

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Speaker 2: of the community, the fantasy community, it realizes what Ryan says,

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Speaker 2: and he's a spot on with this. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you go to David Montgomery, who had if you just

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Speaker 2: talk about pure rush is to touchdown as a six

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Speaker 2: seven of his rushes went for a touchdown, and then

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are numbers that we haven't seen since

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Speaker 2: This doesn't happen. And if you look at Lagarrett Blunt

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Speaker 2: I just don't think this is going to continue. And

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's move to sort of the middle

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Speaker 2: You, Yeah, and I already got a couple questions so

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is RB twenty six in our half star rankings,

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Speaker 3: I think it sounds about right. Honestly. I am fine

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Speaker 3: that I think the Titans are. It's a much more

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00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 3: like volatile projection in terms of what their points per

435
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 3: game output is going to be, just because of the

436
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 3: cam Ward factor. And yeah, with Pollard, we saw him

437
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,640
Speaker 3: be a bellcow for pretty much the entirety of last year.

438
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Speaker 3: He did put up big fantasy weeks in a handful

439
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Speaker 3: of games that the Titans were not totally out of.

440
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I kind of like Pollard probably a little

441
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,160
Speaker 3: bit more of like a best Ball style pick, because yes,

442
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't see like the massive League winning season out

443
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 3: of him, like you might from a rookie like an RJ. Harvey,

444
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 3: for example. But yeah, I think Pollard's totally fin where

445
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 3: he's going. It's not that offensive to me.

446
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Speaker 1: The interesting thing with Pollard is like I feel like,

447
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: when I say RB twenty six, that doesn't sound crazy

448
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. But then I look at the few

449
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 1: names going after him, at least in terms of ECR,

450
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 1: and like, RB twenty seven is Judkins, RB twenty eight

451
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: is Pachecko, RB twenty nine is Caleb Johnson, RB thirty

452
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Speaker 1: Bryan Robinson Junior. And I'm like, I kind of could

453
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Speaker 1: see the case for all those guys ahead of him,

454
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Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't like twenty six, does it

455
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: sound terrible? But then I look at the names after him,

456
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: and I just feel like maybe he should move down

457
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Speaker 1: a bit, Not that I think you should be like

458
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Speaker 1: in the mid to late thirties or anything of drastic,

459
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: but I do like a lot of those names that

460
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Speaker 1: are going directly after him just a little bit better.

461
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Speaker 1: So I can kind of see both sides of this case. Ryan,

462
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Speaker 1: Let's go to your next running back.

463
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so my next guy is someone we've mentioned it's

464
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Speaker 3: David Montgomery. And even aside from all the touchdown efficiency

465
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Speaker 3: stuff that Jake brought up earlier, my kind of bigger

466
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Speaker 3: concern is just can the Lions maintain as valuable of

467
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Speaker 3: a backfield and as valuable of a rushing attack as

468
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 3: they have had over the last two seasons. Last year,

469
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 3: their entire backfield was worth about thirty expected Fantasy points

470
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 3: per game, which is insane. That was by far the

471
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Speaker 3: most The Bucks were second, I think, and they were

472
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Speaker 3: down at like twenty five or somewhere around there. But

473
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Speaker 3: that giant backfield pie was actually split pretty much perfectly

474
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty in games that both Montgomery and Jamier

475
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Speaker 3: Gibbs were healthy. So that kind of leaves us with

476
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Speaker 3: two ways for Montgomery to just fall out of, like

477
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 3: the RB two and flex tire. Either the Lions can't

478
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Speaker 3: maintain that valuable of a backfield with fewer tds. Maybe

479
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 3: they have to pass more lots of different ways that

480
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 3: you can just imagine the offense regressing without Ben Johnson,

481
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: or alternatively, their new OC couldn't come in and just decide, hey,

482
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Speaker 3: I'm going to give a slightly larger snapshare to Jamiir Gibbs,

483
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Speaker 3: who we saw average over one hundred and sixty five

484
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Speaker 3: yards from scrimmage per game in the four games they

485
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Speaker 3: gave him like a sixty six percent snapshare without with

486
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Speaker 3: Montgomery out. So either of those things happen and all

487
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, Montgomery is not a handcuff that you

488
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Speaker 3: can play in your flex now. He's just an extremely

489
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Speaker 3: expensive handcuff that is not really providing much value week

490
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Speaker 3: to week without a Jamier Gibbs injury. And that's true

491
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Speaker 3: of basically every other much cheaper, true handcuff running back,

492
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Speaker 3: like your Zach Charmonat's, your Isaac Rundo's or whatever your

493
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Speaker 3: preferred flavor is there. So yeah, with the upside case

494
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Speaker 3: for Montgomery just being the GIDS injury, I just can't

495
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Speaker 3: justify drafting him as anything close to an RB two.

496
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Speaker 1: Jake, where do you have Montgomery rank? He's RB twenty

497
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Speaker 1: one in ECR and HALFVPR I.

498
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Speaker 2: Have but twenty six. I'm with Ryan on this one.

499
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Speaker 2: A lot of things he said, as I've echoed on

500
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Speaker 2: these shows past couple of weeks, is that we're just

501
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Speaker 2: assuming everything's gonna be fine, as in the ranks are

502
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: showing that we're assuming everything's going to be fine and

503
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 2: it's just gonna be copy paste for the Lions. And

504
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: I haven't mentioned in my breakout calumn, I brought up

505
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: Jameson Williams and was like, part of the case against

506
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: him would be that John Morton comes in and does

507
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: go that route or does change the offense just a

508
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 2: little bit. They even said early on Golf has been

509
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: mentioned as saying is like there's gonna be slight differences

510
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: that you'll see. Well, if we're seeing it, it might

511
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 2: be bigger than he's letting on in the fact of

512
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 2: like it's slight to him, but it's bigger in the

513
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: overall scheme of things. And just you know, the rag

514
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Speaker 2: Now thing is impressive because it's still as good as

515
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Speaker 2: he was as a blocker, playing through the injury led

516
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: torn pack playing through that last year. Like that's a

517
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: loss that we have to factor in. There's just a

518
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 2: lot of issues where it's just it's risky to say

519
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: everything's just going to be the same that we've seen

520
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: for the past three years. And if you go back

521
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: to Morton, like you know, coming from a system that

522
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: in the last two years at least has been the

523
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Speaker 2: Sean Payton. But if you go to the last time

524
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: he was the offensive corneator, way way way back with

525
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: the Jets, here's a name to throw out for everybody.

526
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: He leaned on Ballall Powell a lot, and that was

527
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Speaker 2: with Matt Forte's corpse in that backfield. But I say

528
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Speaker 2: that to say, this is why I echo Ryan is

529
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: because even Balal Powell he like kind of lean on.

530
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: He wasn't a true bell cow. But to Ryan's point,

531
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Speaker 2: what if Morton's style is to say, I had this

532
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: amazing running back in Gibbs, I'm going to give him

533
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Speaker 2: ten percent more, which isn't a lot, but it's enough

534
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: to say, oh my gosh, David mcgarmy's going from scoring

535
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen on the ground to nine and only one

536
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty touches, and that's just that's gonna make

537
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: them an RB three.

538
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: Similar question, Jake to what we talked about with Houston,

539
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: the offense environment overall, If you had to put a

540
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: number to it, with the offensive coordinator change, where do

541
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Speaker 1: think the Lions end up this year in scoring?

542
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: If I would almost guarantee money still top ten's, the

543
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: question is whether or not it's top five and that,

544
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: but that top five top ten is the difference of

545
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: whether or not we care about Dave Montgomery's in RB two.

546
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Speaker 1: Ryan, Do you see them as more top five or

547
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Speaker 1: top ten?

548
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got a pick. Now, Yeah I'm going

549
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Speaker 3: to I'm going to go outside the top five will

550
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Speaker 3: be my prediction.

551
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559
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Speaker 1: running back you are avoiding.

560
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Speaker 2: So this is a lot of kind of opinion on

561
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: this one. It's tyrone, tracy and the fact that I

562
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: do believe that Skataboo can come in and be and

563
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: likely be the lead, mostly because and I just did

564
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: a show recently with Joe on Fantasy Pros on here,

565
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: and I said, I think some of us in Fantasy

566
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: like the world I'm talking to everybody, analyst and players.

567
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 2: It's just like we get enamored with, oh my gosh,

568
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: he came from nowhere. I put that on quotes like

569
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: he came unexpected. I found this guy and liked all

570
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: the talent. He even surprised the NFL. And then it's

571
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: like you don't want to let go and like sometimes,

572
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: in my opinion, Tyrone Tracy is a great complimentary running back.

573
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Speaker 2: I was somebody who was on Tracy last year, mostly

574
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Speaker 2: because I wasn't a big ve Devin Singletary and the

575
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 2: rest and Gray and all the other running backs. But

576
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 2: I think that while he took everybody by well not everybody,

577
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: but took a lot of people by surprise, he's still

578
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: a limited running back. And one of the limits that

579
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: the concern is even part of his game is Brian

580
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: Dable benched him to go back to Singletary because he

581
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: was fumbling the ball. And I'm not saying that's something

582
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: that can't be corrected and you just keep a guy

583
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: off the field because he fumbles. We yelled at years

584
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: of Belichick doing that, like, just give the best guy

585
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: the ball. Adrian Peterson fumbled. We know that, but I'm

586
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: saying all is to present is that I think Scataboo

587
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: versus Tracy. If I'm taking talent versus talent, I would

588
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: take Scataboo over Tracy. And I think part of Scataboo's

589
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: game that gets underrated is his pass catching ability, which

590
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: is really where the game of Tracy comes from because

591
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: of his explosiveness. So I see this as more of

592
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: like a sixty forty split, which means where Tracy is

593
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: going and drafts is overdrafted, I would happily still take

594
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: Tracy further down. Just where he's going. I think he's

595
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: still being treated as the fifty five to forty five

596
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: leads split of that backfield, and I think it's actually

597
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: going to be he's going to be on the back

598
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: half of it.

599
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: Ryan, what do you think this backfield looks like?

600
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Speaker 3: So I'm like, fairly I would say I don't have

601
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 3: an opinion super locked in on how this backfield looks like.

602
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: But I do have like a way I like to

603
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: approach these ambiguous backfields, and that's that I don't really

604
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: care which running back ends up on which side of

605
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 3: the fifty five forty five split. I only care about

606
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: can this running back make it a seventy percent opportunity share, right,

607
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: especially on a team like the Giants, where that that

608
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: has to be the case. Further, to really be any

609
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: fantasy value, there has to be a bell cow it.

610
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

611
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: I try not to get caught up so much in

612
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: what's the likelihood of being at a fifty five percent

613
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: versus a forty five percent. In this particular case, I

614
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: will slightly prefer Scataboo because for the reason that Jake said,

615
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: because I feel more confident in his pass catching abilities.

616
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Speaker 3: But honestly, this backfield is just not that big of

617
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: a target for me in general, and I don't feel

618
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Speaker 3: like particularly stressed part of the factor.

619
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Speaker 2: Too, honestly.

620
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But just to let everybody know the rankings, Tyron

621
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Speaker 1: Tracy Junior is thirty first amongst our running backs in ECR,

622
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: and it's got who's fortieth amongst running backs and ECR.

623
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Speaker 1: So you know, a nine back gap there between the two. Ryan,

624
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: let's go to the last mid round running back.

625
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So my last mid round guy is DeAndre Swift,

626
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: and it's for several reasons, but kind of going through

627
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: some of them. Over his career, Swift has primarily been

628
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: a man gap rusher, right, in his last season under

629
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, he mostly ran a very man gap heavy scheme,

630
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: but very notably in that year, Swift averaged a career

631
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: low seven point one rush attempts per game. And then,

632
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: I think, very revealingly, as soon as the Lions ship

633
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: Swift off, Johnson moved to a lot more outside zone

634
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: and obviously had a lot of success over the last

635
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: two years doing that with Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery.

636
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: So if that is Johnson's kind of preferred scheme that

637
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: he wants to run, Swift doesn't fit it at all.

638
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: He averages three point two career yards per carry on

639
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: outside zone and kind of similarly to a lot of

640
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: the running backs we've talked about. I just don't really

641
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: see the upside with Swift, even if you think, wow,

642
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: the Bears are going to be a much better offense

643
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: this year. We just saw DeAndre Swift in a lead

644
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 3: back role on a better offense. It was with the

645
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: Eagles in twenty twenty three. He finished with just twelve

646
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: and a half fantasy points per game. I don't see

647
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: the league winning upside out of DeAndre Swift at all.

648
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: I would much rather be taking shots on guys like

649
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: Isaiah Paiceco, who we have seen at least for some

650
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: games be a belcow on a confirmed good offense, even

651
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard, just because I can also see a path

652
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: to that offense being good Steelers running backs taking shots

653
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: on that ambiguous situation. There are just other places I

654
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: would rather be sending my bullets than DeAndre Swift.

655
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: This year AREB twenty two. Jake, Is that too high?

656
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: Too low? Or just right?

657
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm not crazy off from what Ryan said. I'm

658
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: just I'm okay. This is similar to what he was

659
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: saying about my guy earlier. I'm actually okay with Swift,

660
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: but I'm okay with Swift and knowing what you're getting,

661
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: like I think, honestly, you could be like, hey, Jake,

662
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: you're playing both sides of the fence here, because similar

663
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: to Pollard before, I do think he has a limited

664
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: ceiling like that I could give you like the why

665
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: would you take Swift? It's mostly moral. So I'm not

666
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: a big Roshawn Johnson fan. And maybe I'm wrong in this,

667
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: or maybe I'm ignoring the connection that Andrew Rickson keeps

668
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: bringing up on this shows and saying the enemy draft

669
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: a Pacheco out of Rutgers and he's with the Bears now,

670
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: and Manang Guy is from Rutgers, and that we're down

671
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: this rabbit hole of like connecting all the dots. But

672
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: all that being said, well, I think Manang guy's a

673
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: find late round flyer and this could be a full

674
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: blown committee, or Ben Johnson could just say like, hey,

675
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: you're done the Swift and I am going to turn

676
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: to Johnson or Manang Guy and now you're this. Now

677
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: you are the Tyrone Tracy that I just brought up.

678
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: I just feel like he's a decent two hundred and

679
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: thirty touch guy. Like I don't think he's going to

680
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: be a bel guy. Don't think he's going to be

681
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: a league winner. As Ryan said, completely agree with all

682
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: those I's just I'm kind of okay where he is

683
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: because where he is, I feel like he's a cool

684
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: RB two, and in this range, usually that's an RB

685
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: two with three or four wide receivers already on my team.

686
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: So it kind of, like I said, it kind of

687
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: almost sounds like I'm playing both sides with the Pollard

688
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: Swift thing. But I'm just a little bit more okay

689
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: with Swift.

690
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: I think For me, it's the difference between ranking and

691
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: and drafting. Like, I think this is the right ranking

692
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: for him, but I don't think I'm going to be

693
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: targeting him at this ranking because I mean, if you

694
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: just like looking at last five years has finished amongst

695
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: running backs eighteen, nineteen twenty two, twenty three, nineteen twenty two,

696
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: you can you know, easily paint that picture that that's

697
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: the right, you know, number for him to be near.

698
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: But I don't want him at this range. There are

699
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: gonna be other players that I'd rather have or I'd

700
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: rather wait, and a lot of those names that you

701
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: mentioned Ryan, that you know you'd have, you know, Steelers backfield,

702
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: you know some of the upside plays elsewhere that are

703
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: going later than him. I would just rather wait and

704
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: target a guy there. So I think it's worth mentioning

705
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: that there is a difference between how you rank a

706
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: guy sometimes and how you kind of philosophically approach your

707
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: your draft day strategy. And that's good to keep in mind.

708
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: Let's go to one risky running back from each of

709
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: you that you are still at tempted to draft that

710
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: even despite the red flags, you recognize that there is

711
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: a risk here. That you are still interested in you guys,

712
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: actually both you made one pick each, but you both

713
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: mentioned second names that you were considering too, So feel

714
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: free to mention both if you'd like. But also, who

715
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: than one guy? Is that if you had to pick one,

716
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: you are attempted to draft Jake you can go first.

717
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with me, I'm willing to gamble on

718
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: Javonta Williams. And that's from somebody that's like, go ahead

719
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: and get Jade on Blue, like I like Blue, and

720
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people do. But the truth is,

721
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: you know they took the chance. It wasn't a big contract.

722
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: They let Rico down all walk for almost the exact

723
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: same contract and then brought in Javonte Williams, that being

724
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. But you know, we all sit here in

725
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: the whether you're watching film or watching the games, or

726
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: looking at the analyst and looking at the metrics or

727
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: whatever it might be, we've all seen that Javonte Williams

728
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: is not the same running back since it got hurt.

729
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: But what if it's the extra year removed? He wouldn't

730
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: be the first running back that needed that extra year sometimes,

731
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: And that's oh my gosh, he's finally back. And the

732
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: thing is he's not going as an RB two. He's

733
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: not even going where he was last year. He's going

734
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: somewhere where he's going to be on your bench when

735
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: you're done drafting, Like you're not drafting him to start

736
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: RB mid thirties. Okay, what's the if Javonte Williams is

737
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: ninety percent of what he used to be and he

738
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: gets two hundred and fifty two hundred and forty touches

739
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: in his backfield, He's not going to be a league winner,

740
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: but it'll be somebody that you can slide into your

741
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: RB two spots more often than not. And Jayden Blue

742
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't be the first ballet hed you know, rookie to

743
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: like not win the job and just never get out there.

744
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: Like I mean, what was the dude for the Raiders

745
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: guy last year that everybody wanted to draft and end

746
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: up being a non factor and trying to think of

747
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: his name right now. But there's there's situations where like

748
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: sometimes the veteran has a chance if he could just

749
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: show anything, So I will take a chance on Javonte

750
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: Williams in the mid thirties. The other one I did

751
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: mention and the only reason I didn't mention him is

752
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: because I think I've mentioned him on every show with you.

753
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: Worm is Alvin Kamara. Like, I know everybody wants to

754
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: fade the Saints offense because it's gonna be worse than

755
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: the league, But Alvin Kamara is still going to get

756
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty touches and almost what a third

757
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: of them are going to be in the passing game.

758
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: So I'm still going to take Alvin kamaras the top

759
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: fifteen running back. But I think this is the first

760
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: time I've spoken positively about Javonte Williams this entire offseason.

761
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: I didn't want to interrupt you is a mere White

762
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: the Raiders running back? You were thinking, No, it was.

763
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: The other one. It's the little small.

764
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: Dude, Abdulah.

765
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna pull it up, Raider. It was just

766
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: drafted last year, was it, Dylan lab Thank you? Yeah,

767
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: everybody wanted Lobby at the end of a round last year.

768
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: Is like he's got to take over because they have

769
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: nobody else, And like that's kind of how I like

770
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: Blue significantly more than Labba. But I'm just saying, like

771
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: these scenarios happen.

772
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on Javante. I I've been talking

773
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: about him actually for a couple episodes now. Like again,

774
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: not that I think he's some league winner wo's gonna

775
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: finish as an RB one, but if he stays healthy

776
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: this season, there is no way that he's not giving

777
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: you value compared to RB thirty six off the drive,

778
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he's barely in RB three in the rankings

779
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: right now. There is just I don't believe in anybody

780
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: else in this backfield is going to get in his way.

781
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: And this is not even saying that I think he's

782
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: going to be back to his pre injury self. He

783
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be in order to give you really

784
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: good value. I think on that.

785
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: Everybody else this year down by Javante are backups needing

786
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: something to happen. Javante could legitimately doesn't need anything else

787
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: to happen, be the lead running back from day one,

788
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: and that's the one different. Like again, if he gets

789
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: up to RB twenty six, goodbye, You're never gonna touch

790
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: my team. But at thirty six, there is worth.

791
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: The gamble, and I think it's gonna be a good

792
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: offense too. Like I think there's going there are going

793
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: to be touchdowns available to score. I think this is

794
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: the comparison that Erickson has made with Javanta this year

795
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: is like JK Dobbins last year, like a guy with

796
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: an injury history, but there's nobody else in the backfield.

797
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: If you think the offense is good enough, that he's

798
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: just going so late that you can't pass it up.

799
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: And that's really again, I'm not calling him a league winner,

800
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: like I'm with you, Jake. I'm not saying there's some

801
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: insane upside and if he was going higher, I wouldn't

802
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: be interested. But at this cost, like the opportunity is

803
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: what it is. Javonte Williams, Ryan, what do you think

804
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: about him?

805
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 3: To me, I just don't see that big of a

806
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: difference between Javonte Williams and like Miles Sanders, which which

807
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: is kind of my whole issue with him. That with

808
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: the Cowboys backfield then, and this has been my take

809
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: on the Cowboys backfield for the last two seasons. It's

810
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: not a backfield that I believe is very likely to

811
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: create fantasy value to the point that you're starting anybody

812
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: in it in like a normal lineup. The only way

813
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: it happened last year was Dak getting hurt and the

814
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: team saying, Okay, we're just gonna pack it in and

815
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: run the ball a ton, even if we're way down.

816
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: And also Zeke had to skip a meeting or whatever

817
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: it was for him to get for him to get benched,

818
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: and for Dowbdell to really take over as a bell cow.

819
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, and then.

820
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: Your reward is like a low end RB two. So yeah,

821
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: I just am not. I can't be on Davante. I

822
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: can't do it.

823
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: Are you then drafting at RB sixty seven? Are you

824
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: taking Sanders if you don't see a big difference, but

825
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: there's a you know, thirty spot?

826
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe? Yeah, I'll say in Best Ball, I've been

827
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: dabbling in final round Miles Sanders. I think that that

828
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: has been like a better Best Ball pick than Javonte

829
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: Williams many rounds earlier. But yeah, I'm just mostly not

830
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 3: in on this backfield at all.

831
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: What risky running back? Are you tempted to draft Ryan?

832
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

833
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: So going a little further up the board, I think

834
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: the guy that best fits this description this year is

835
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 3: Bryce Hall. So well. Obviously, everything that happened with Hall

836
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: last year happened massively disappointed at a top three ADP,

837
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 3: but zooming out a little bit. Over his first two

838
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: seasons in the league, Hall averaged twenty two Fantasy points

839
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: per game when he was above a fifty percent snapshare,

840
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: and that's mostly just removing injured games in some like

841
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: early in twenty twenty three, when he was playing a

842
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: part time role coming back from that ACL tear. Over

843
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 3: his entire career, Hall averages four point eight targets per game.

844
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 3: That is fourth best among active players over that span,

845
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: behind only Christian McCaffrey, Alvin Kamara, and Austin Eckler. Hall

846
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: ranked second in yards per out run among that same group.

847
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 3: And I mean you'll notice Christian McCaffrey, Kamara, Eckler, all

848
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: of these players have been perennial league winners. They have

849
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: combined for twelve league winning season since twenty seventeen. As

850
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: measured by ESPN playoff Rate, Hall now is going kind

851
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: of around pick forty, like late thirties, early forties in

852
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: most sites. He has smashed that exact ADP in both

853
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. As for why

854
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: it's risky and why it's very tough for me, but

855
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: ultimately I'm doing it. I think that Hall was playing

856
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: injured through even more of last year than we probably recognized. Right,

857
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: he had a mysterious lower half injury that was the

858
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: only descriptor we got of it at any point last

859
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 3: summer in late May early June. None of the details

860
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: were ever disclosed, and I think that might be why

861
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: all of his GPS numbers were down early in the year,

862
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: and why we saw the Jets kind of randomly from

863
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: week to week go back and forth between giving Hall

864
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: like an eighty percent workload down to like fifty five percent.

865
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: And the situation is just better this year. There's no

866
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams anymore. Hall was still up at five and

867
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 3: a half targets per game last year before Adams joined

868
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: the team. The only real concern is everything Aaron Glenn

869
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: has said this entire offseason about wanting to use all

870
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: three running backs, but to me, it reads more as hyperbole.

871
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 3: Glenn has said stuff like there aren't three other running

872
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 3: backs in this league that have the potential of Brace Hall,

873
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: Brayln Allen, and Isaiah Davis. Like to me, this is

874
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: kind of Dan Campbell esque in that he will just

875
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: relentlessly talk up all the players on his roster. He's

876
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: not actually projecting their usage or their workloads. But when

877
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: we look at what the actual offensive coordinator, Tanner Engstrand,

878
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: has said, we know that he's told Hall that he

879
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 3: has to be ready to do everything and to play

880
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: on all three downs. So ultimately, all you need for

881
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: this pick to massively pay off and potentially become a

882
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: league winner is for Aaron Glenn to be lying and

883
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: for Hall to stay healthy. That's all it takes. Is

884
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: It sounds so easy? So yeah, that's why I'm in

885
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: on Hall. The other guy that I'm in on is

886
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: Ken Walker. I think he's a little risky for the

887
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: same reason, just injury history, but I care about that

888
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: a lot less than probably the average fantasy analyst. We

889
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: have just seen that the Seahawks are now committed to

890
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: using Walker as a three down weapon. Mike McDonald has

891
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: called him that at multiple points over the last two years,

892
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: second in total miss tackles force behind only Derrek Henry.

893
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: You get the Clint Kobak outside zone scheme. We've also

894
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: seen Kobak funnel targets to running backs in the past.

895
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 3: I just love Ken Walker in general as a bet.

896
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: Think he's a little less risky than.

897
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: Hall tier three in the expert consensus rankings. Ryan Is,

898
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: Kyrien Williams, Chase Brown, Brees, Saw, James Cook, Kenneth Walker.

899
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: So we've already established that you are kind of fading

900
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: cooked there. How would you compare holl And Walker to

901
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: Kyrin and Chase Brown? Do you like them better than

902
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: those guys? Or are you comfortable with where they're ranked?

903
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: You're just also targeting them.

904
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: I'm comfortable honestly with where all four of those guys

905
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 3: are ranked. If I had to rank them straight up,

906
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 3: it would be Chase Brown, Walker, Hall, Kyn But I'm

907
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: totally fine with where all of them are generally going.

908
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: Jake, what do you think about both Briest Hall and

909
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker.

910
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if people have tuned into the previous shows,

911
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: they know that I'm apparently the Kenneth Walker hater. So

912
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: just just established that that I'd be more in on Hall.

913
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: You know, everything that Ryan said, completely agree with. And

914
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: the thing is, if Hall was going earlier than he

915
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: was and actually where he was going about two or

916
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: three months ago, I was more off on Hall initially

917
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: than to the value where he's at now, which I

918
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 2: think is a fine price. Mostly the concerns and Ryan

919
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: pretty much touched on them, like I do have some

920
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: concerns if you look at the Justin Fields offense from

921
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: past years, and I know, completely different teams and completely

922
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: different schemes, but getting to that goal line, you kind

923
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: of all set Justin Fields at the goal line with

924
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: the bigger power. And it's not that Breese Hall doesn't

925
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: have his own power like Briesse Hall is a terrific

926
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: three down running back. It's just what if there is

927
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: some truth to this and what if Braylan Allen is

928
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: the discount David Montgomery to this team, and you know

929
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: you're looking at the situation where Breshall turns into Demer

930
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: Gibbs and it's the Jets versus the Lions that we

931
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: don't like the offense as much as the two and

932
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: that's just my concern. My concern is that the touchdown

933
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: equity takes a hit if they really do lean on

934
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: Braylon Allen as the power option, which is something that

935
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: he excels at and again not that Breecee Hall can't.

936
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: And then you have the chicken in the egg argument

937
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: like you have the Justin Fields doesn't throw to his

938
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: running backs a lot well, was that, you know, a

939
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: microcosm of what he was dealing with at running back

940
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: or is that just how Justin Fields plays his offense.

941
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: So all those concerns I'm saying is why Brice Hall's

942
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: not going as an RB one and that that mysterious injury.

943
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: I love that you bring it up to because like

944
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: late in the year we also got it might be

945
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: the need that he had the acls ery on and

946
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: like that just terrified me. But that was last year

947
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 2: at the end of the year. But if that somehow

948
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: carried over, all I'm saying is to say, even with

949
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: all those concerns, where he's going, I'm okay. If he

950
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: starts to get positive news and creeps back up and

951
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: gets close to top ten like he was two or

952
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: three months ago, I'm probably out at that point. But

953
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: where he is now as kind of like what is

954
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: your RB thirteen fourteen, I'm totally okay with that.

955
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: We'll go ahead and wrap things up there. Those are

956
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: all of our running backs to run from, plus a

957
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: couple that we are considering drafting there at the end.

958
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: Thank you to both Ryan and Jake for joining us today,

959
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: and thanks everybody for tuning in. We'll see again next time.

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