Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama Girl drama Girl,
Speaker 2: all about them.
Speaker 3: High school queens.
Speaker 2: We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl
Speaker 2: cheering for the right teams, drama queens up girl fashion.
Speaker 3: But you'll tough, girl, you could sit with us.
Speaker 4: Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens
Speaker 4: Drama Queens.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean we both got on the zoom and
Speaker 3: took a deep bread. This is emotional. Yes, we're back,
Speaker 3: Season six, episode four, Bridge Over Fumbled Water. The episode
Speaker 3: aired September twenty second, two thousand and eight. There's a
Speaker 3: lot going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really like I don't want you guys to
Speaker 1: think this is gonna be like a really down episode
Speaker 1: of drama Queens. But I think we're both like recovering
Speaker 1: from this episode. We're gonna find our way through. But
Speaker 1: I'm a little well, I don't mean I'm low energy.
Speaker 1: I'm just like kind of in this state of I
Speaker 1: was lulled into a state of comfort and longing and
Speaker 1: grief like all at the same time, and I haven't
Speaker 1: figured out where to put it.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a really good way to put it,
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of potential and there's still a
Speaker 3: lot of sadness, and there's a lot of really big
Speaker 3: themes being processed in this episode. Ye and I was
Speaker 3: gonna laugh because you know, it's for our friends at home.
Speaker 3: You've got Joy and I tonight. We don't have Hillary
Speaker 3: this week, and normally she's the person who will crack
Speaker 3: the joke you need that's like really inappropriate when everyone
Speaker 3: is crying, and you and I are both just crying.
Speaker 3: So let's see how we do.
Speaker 1: It's okay, it'll be therapy. Oh all right. So after
Speaker 1: learning of Dev and skills a fair affair?
Speaker 3: Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1: Relationship? Whatever it is, Nathan tells relationship in romance, Nathan
Speaker 1: tells Dev she needs to move out, kicks her out.
Speaker 1: Jamie's insistence to visit Grandpa Dan brings Hayley closer to
Speaker 1: discovering his disappearance, and then she investigates. Brooke seeks counseling
Speaker 1: now that her mother has stolen her fashion company, and
Speaker 1: then goes to confront her armed literally that was wild.
Speaker 1: Peyton is excited to find singer Mick Wolfe in her studio,
Speaker 1: who also knew her late mother Ellie, and her biological
Speaker 1: father who is a mystery man. Lucas tries to motivate
Speaker 1: the Raven basketball team after losing star player Quintin Fields
Speaker 1: and dunt dun duh, Nanny Carey still going at it
Speaker 1: reappearing in Tree Hill wandering through the Scott households.
Speaker 3: In fact so creepy. I'm like, don't you think I
Speaker 3: would have changed the locks after that woman tried to
Speaker 3: kidnap their child? Out did she get in?
Speaker 1: You would think?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Wait is I I did love the nod to fatal
Speaker 1: attraction with her picking up the hamster? Was it a
Speaker 1: hamster or a money pig?
Speaker 4: Bunny?
Speaker 1: It's a bunny? Oh, Chester's a bunny of course. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was pretty funny.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh boy, we're really We're just in
Speaker 3: it tonight.
Speaker 1: This is one of the strange, unexpected things about our
Speaker 1: job here on this show, is on this show drawn
Speaker 1: queens that like, we all have a lot going on.
Speaker 1: I'm sure all of you listeners can relate to that.
Speaker 1: And you're not always in a space or in the
Speaker 1: mood to drop in and be emotionally present for something
Speaker 1: that you don't know what the journey's going to be.
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're going on, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we carve out time and all the everything's buzzing around,
Speaker 1: and the kids are knocking on the doors, and the
Speaker 1: phones are ringing in, the text are popping in. You
Speaker 1: have to just shut everything down and to just drop
Speaker 1: in and watch. And I'm so glad I did. But
Speaker 1: it is a weird. I was like, man, I just
Speaker 1: did not want to be emotional today. I was working
Speaker 1: and busy and like not in the mood. But I'm
Speaker 1: glad that I did. I feel like it's nice to
Speaker 1: have a little heart check in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sweet. And I will say I realized that
Speaker 3: I had to surrender to it very quickly because yeah,
Speaker 3: with the opening of Nathan playing with Quinton in his head,
Speaker 3: seeing them together on the river court, it was so
Speaker 3: hard because I miss him already and I knew he'd disappear,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know when he'd disappear. So immediately I
Speaker 3: was like, no, don't go, and I thought, oh boy,
Speaker 3: here we go, and every one of them. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I was glad that with you and Jamie we got
Speaker 3: the context. I thought it was a really good way
Speaker 3: to do exposition. Yes, you know, have a little boy.
Speaker 3: Ask Haylee how long has it been and you could
Speaker 3: say it's.
Speaker 1: Been eight days days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we could understand the freshness of it all.
Speaker 3: I like that we're not moving on from it too fast.
Speaker 1: I do too. That was a bad habit that we
Speaker 1: would do a lot. A lot of shows would do
Speaker 1: that at that time, which I don't know why when
Speaker 1: they had twenty two episodes, because now things get drawn
Speaker 1: out for an entire season on a six to thirteen
Speaker 1: episode show. I don't know why they had to just
Speaker 1: feel like they cranked all the storylines out. But I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad they took more time with this. I
Speaker 1: needed more Quinton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm just glad we got We're getting to
Speaker 3: sit with it. I know. We talked about that last
Speaker 3: week too, that the funeral episode took its time. This episode,
Speaker 3: to me, felt like it really put its foot on
Speaker 3: the gas. There was a lot going on, but I
Speaker 3: do feel like it worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The aftermath of grief, which or sorry, the aftermath
Speaker 1: of a massive loss. So living in the grief, but
Speaker 1: the fact that life has to go on and there
Speaker 1: are functional things that need to be done. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: kind of watching people live in the mundane while feeling
Speaker 1: such a catastrophic loss. Yeah, I think it's so relatable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because that's what it is, right when you're
Speaker 3: going through something like that, when someone that you love
Speaker 3: dies unexpectedly and you have to go to work and
Speaker 3: you're just like or the grocery store, Yeah, like what
Speaker 3: are we doing here? You look around at all these
Speaker 3: people and you think, like, what are you doing? Like,
Speaker 3: who are you talking to? What's making you smile? Everything
Speaker 3: is broken, But for most people, it's just not just
Speaker 3: a normal it's for you or your circle. And I
Speaker 3: think that that I don't know, it's something that's I
Speaker 3: think for everyone who's ever lost someone, this feels sadly
Speaker 3: familiar but really probably really tender.
Speaker 1: Life is fleeting. Our time here is short. To honor
Speaker 1: the fallen, we must live our lives. Well, this is
Speaker 1: Lucas's quote at the beginning of the episode. It's really
Speaker 1: good and the boys on the basketball team, Yeah, really
Speaker 1: jumped like that. I mean that's what got me. Like
Speaker 1: every time the Ravens were on screen, I was crying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Quentin's mom coming in.
Speaker 1: To don lewis God.
Speaker 3: I mean, don is just so incredible. But as this
Speaker 3: character her coming in and reminding these young people, like
Speaker 3: you have to keep going and and you get to
Speaker 3: carry him with you. Yeah, it's such an important lesson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she addressed it like, don't feel guilty that you're
Speaker 1: playing without him or that you're leave. You don't feel
Speaker 1: like you're leaving him behind. We're actually carrying him out
Speaker 1: onto the court with us. Yes, you have to go
Speaker 1: out and play. That is the hardest, the hardest thing
Speaker 1: to do after using somebody after a big lost just
Speaker 1: like get I mean, get back up on the proverbial horse.
Speaker 1: It's is just such a not eloquent or sufficient enough
Speaker 1: metaphor for this, but yeah, it's I loved that she
Speaker 1: did that. I needed to hear that too, he felt it.
Speaker 3: It got to the core for me. I loved that
Speaker 3: the way that they had her speak those words was
Speaker 3: so specific, and I thought the choices were really meaningful
Speaker 3: because she says play your hearts out. She's literally saying
Speaker 3: like play the pain out of your heart, you know.
Speaker 3: And she says, don't feel like you're moving on without him, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you move on with the people that you've lost, And
Speaker 3: and it watching them play was powerful. I love that
Speaker 3: they that they lost. I thought that was powerful. They're
Speaker 3: processing loss. And then the notion that the whole town
Speaker 3: stayed waited for these boys. I know, I want to
Speaker 3: save waited for these boys to you know, shower and
Speaker 3: have their team conversation, and clapped them out of the gym.
Speaker 3: It's like it immediately made me think of two of
Speaker 3: the most famous quotes from our show. Somebody told me
Speaker 3: that this is the place. Yeah, and your art matters
Speaker 3: because for these these boys like sports and art, like
Speaker 3: these these makers of culture in our society, even at
Speaker 3: a school level, like sport is artistic and it requires
Speaker 3: this team energy. And look how much it matters to
Speaker 3: all these people, and they make sure these kids know
Speaker 3: it and that they don't feel alone. Sucker punched me
Speaker 3: right in the heart. Oh boy, I.
Speaker 1: Hope that you friends out there have watched this episode recently.
Speaker 1: If you haven't, you really probably should just hit pause
Speaker 1: and watch an episode and then come back to us.
Speaker 1: You can relate and we'll all cry together. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know where else. I mean, I have so
Speaker 1: many notes, but and I don't want to lead us.
Speaker 1: If you have anything, you want to jump in or
Speaker 1: say I'm happy to go anywhere. My next note is
Speaker 1: on Peyton, and then I have brooken therapy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I know it's hard to like no
Speaker 3: where to go when the theme is so big, but
Speaker 3: I do. I actually think Peyton is exactly the right
Speaker 3: place because you know, she she is the character who's
Speaker 3: also been through such big loss and.
Speaker 1: She's on the other side of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Quentin is this shared loss for everyone in
Speaker 3: the community, and Peyton's loss was so personal, and with
Speaker 3: Mick showing up at Red Bedroom, this is the first
Speaker 3: time she's ever gotten to hear stories about her mom
Speaker 3: from her mom's community. Yeah, like she gets a window
Speaker 3: into Ellie's world.
Speaker 1: I have a question, Yeah, did I miss an episode
Speaker 1: where we met this guy before?
Speaker 3: No, he's a total surprise.
Speaker 1: And is this a famous I think he's a cameo
Speaker 1: of some famous position or something.
Speaker 3: And so the the only way we know of him
Speaker 3: is that Mia told Peyton she met a guy on
Speaker 3: tour who knew Ellie.
Speaker 1: Right, so we've just heard about this guy we've never
Speaker 1: heard about, Okay, but.
Speaker 3: We have no idea who he is, and so I
Speaker 3: think that's part of you know, we love a mister
Speaker 3: act on our show. I think part of the mister
Speaker 3: act is that Peyton's freaking out about this famous guitar
Speaker 3: player and o'hm, my god, what are you doing here?
Speaker 3: And I have, you know, records you've played on on
Speaker 3: my wall? And then it's like, holy shu, are you
Speaker 3: my dad?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: My gosh. And I love that they keep the mystery
Speaker 3: of it going. And I thought he did a really
Speaker 3: beautiful job, yeah, sort of dodging the question, but creating
Speaker 3: this this intimacy with her that really does feel quite
Speaker 3: tender and parental. It doesn't feel like some guy hitting
Speaker 3: on a young girl. It feels like something special. And
Speaker 3: I caught myself being like, well, is it special because
Speaker 3: he loved Ellie? Is it special because he's her dad?
Speaker 3: Is he going to answer the question?
Speaker 6: I know?
Speaker 3: Who is this man?
Speaker 1: Is he just like a nice, kind man who is
Speaker 1: just being a good dude? Like I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: thrown off. I know, well, first of all, I love
Speaker 1: her barging in while he's in the middle of recording,
Speaker 1: like she's so excited she will literally just interrupts him.
Speaker 1: But as they're talking in her office and he starts
Speaker 1: talking about Ellie. The look on Hillary's face was so
Speaker 1: it was just pure, little girl, tell me where I'm from.
Speaker 1: I want to belong to something, I want to have
Speaker 1: come from something. And he says it was one of
Speaker 1: those great loves. So it was messy, and I mean
Speaker 1: the way I interpreted the look on her face was
Speaker 1: just like, what the when somebody tells you something about
Speaker 1: yourself that means so much. It's a confirmation of everything
Speaker 1: you've ever hoped was true. And she just was like,
Speaker 1: I came from a great love for someone who's so
Speaker 1: romantic as Peyton. She's such a devastating romantic. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think she would ever claim that she is,
Speaker 1: but that's my opinion about her. It really made my
Speaker 1: heart happy to see that, yeah.
Speaker 3: And to see it in that moment and to see
Speaker 3: it's funny that you say that that it's the moment
Speaker 3: where he's talking about how much passion there was between
Speaker 3: Ellie and this mystery dad, because I thought you were
Speaker 3: going to say when she's laughing, like, you look like
Speaker 3: you've seen a ghost, and he says, I feel like
Speaker 3: I have that's your mom's jacket. You look just like her.
Speaker 3: And suddenly she looks like this little girl. Yeah that
Speaker 3: was good too. And I loved the way he stopped
Speaker 3: her in her tracks and you could see the shock,
Speaker 3: the excitement and the hope. And to cut to them
Speaker 3: on the river walk. It's so nice when we get
Speaker 3: to go out there just like completely devoid of the
Speaker 3: emotional parts, but like as a location. I just think
Speaker 3: it's so beautiful. We didn't get to do it a ton.
Speaker 3: And that their walk and talk is brimming with that
Speaker 3: young curiosity because she keeps looking at him like are
Speaker 3: you my dad?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And now how did you know my mom? And like
Speaker 3: tell me more? And I loved that. The way they
Speaker 3: figured out how to tie it all together was that
Speaker 3: someone gave him the benefit CD and so he got
Speaker 3: to read about what she said about her mom. It
Speaker 3: was such a special way to tie together the beginning
Speaker 3: of Trick and that album and you know we really
Speaker 3: released that album and all of these things. I was
Speaker 3: just like, got this. The storyline is really well done.
Speaker 1: I like it and it makes me happy like that too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just bringing bringing the past back in whenever they can.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't if they I wonder if they that just
Speaker 1: came naturally or if they all sort of somebody did
Speaker 1: a past like a when the script was done, like,
Speaker 1: just find a way to keep weaving past things in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: interesting to ask one of the writers one day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really loved that. It was a simple storyline. There
Speaker 1: wasn't too much to it. It was just the slow
Speaker 1: burn build of what are we going to find out?
Speaker 1: What are we going to find out? In the end,
Speaker 1: You're right, he did. He did kind of dodge the
Speaker 1: question but still maintained this friendship and love and Yeah.
Speaker 1: The look on her face then too, she was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: but but seriously, are you my dad.
Speaker 3: Kids?
Speaker 1: You actually just tell me?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I loved It's good.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was really interesting that when we
Speaker 3: when we finally get to the end of the episode and.
Speaker 1: She just asks him, yeah.
Speaker 3: Him saying what did he say? Wouldn't wouldn't that be something?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be something? Wouldn't that be something? It would
Speaker 1: be something? That's what I mean. She's looking at him like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm like, so is it a yes? Is it a no?
Speaker 3: I need more from you, sir, But I love it
Speaker 3: as a cliffhanger. I love him saying he's going to
Speaker 3: stick around and record. He wants to do a project
Speaker 3: with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to stick around. I don't remember where
Speaker 1: this goes me either, no idea.
Speaker 3: I'm really really curious how long we get to keep
Speaker 3: him and what we're going to find out. I'm sort
Speaker 3: of afraid that it's not going to be him.
Speaker 1: I don't think it is, isn't it Kevin Kilner?
Speaker 3: Well, Kevin Kilner was her dad?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, Sorry, but I'm really wondering who.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't I think maybe it is, because I mean,
Speaker 1: this is Peyton's last season on the show anyway, so
Speaker 1: I think they sort of have to tie up this storyline.
Speaker 1: So maybe it is him.
Speaker 3: I am so curious. I love when we get to
Speaker 3: be surprised.
Speaker 1: Nick Wolf, Nick Wolf like Nick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you go in the completely not sweet
Speaker 3: direction of parental relationships that Victoria.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're working therapy. Okay, before we even get to Victoria.
Speaker 1: This is my least favorite kind of therapy. I'm watching
Speaker 1: this woman just well, first of all, she seems a
Speaker 1: little like Superior, which kind of is irritating to me,
Speaker 1: but I can get over it. But then she's like
Speaker 1: she's basically just it's the it's the rhetorical. I wish
Speaker 1: I'd written down one of her quotes, but it was
Speaker 1: basically like, that's very normal. It doesn't really matter what
Speaker 1: I believe, it's what you believe.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, oh I know what it is. I know
Speaker 3: I drove you crazy. Okay. Well, first of all, again
Speaker 3: the tie in that this was Haley and Nathan's therapist.
Speaker 3: Oh right, why did they make this woman play British?
Speaker 3: She's not. And that's why she seems sort of holier.
Speaker 1: Than thou because it's very like, well, you know what
Speaker 1: happens to people is like it's so aristocratic and weird,
Speaker 1: is it? It's not how it goes.
Speaker 3: I didn't I oh, do you feel sad about your mummy?
Speaker 3: Like it's so bizarre. But Brooke is sort of explaining
Speaker 3: all of these things, and it really does sound Shakespearean.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a wild absolutely you know, drama.
Speaker 3: She essentially accuses her mother of being oz, you know,
Speaker 3: pulling all the puppet strings and unleashing the flying monkeys,
Speaker 3: and then goes through the sketches and then this and
Speaker 3: the board meeting and you know, the whole plot, and
Speaker 3: then realizing how crazy this sounds because who has a
Speaker 3: family like this, But she really does. She says to
Speaker 3: the therapist, you probably think I'm crazy. And what I
Speaker 3: do appreciate is the validation she gets because she says, no,
Speaker 3: I don't. I think we have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 3: And I was like, it's almost great, but they made
Speaker 3: it quippy with the I think we have a lot
Speaker 3: to talk about, and I hated it. I was like,
Speaker 3: it's important for Brooke to hear that she's not crazy.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like a pancake they flipped
Speaker 3: too soon.
Speaker 1: Or something I thought she said. I thought her response
Speaker 1: to that was it doesn't matter what I think. It
Speaker 1: matters what you think. Isn't that when she said that?
Speaker 1: Or was it not? Was that earlier?
Speaker 3: It might have been earlier. I don't know. She did
Speaker 3: say that at one point.
Speaker 1: At one point I was like, oh, so bessive, aggressive.
Speaker 1: I hate that so much. You're like, I know it
Speaker 1: only matters what I think, but I'm paying you to
Speaker 1: tell me if I sound crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I liked about that, though, I
Speaker 3: liked they did a couple of overlaps in this episode
Speaker 3: that I thought were really well done, because sometimes we
Speaker 3: overuse the device.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cutting to the next scene.
Speaker 3: Yes, and and we did two really good ones. I said, well,
Speaker 3: where should we you know, brook says, where should we start?
Speaker 3: Like the whole story or since I fired her? And
Speaker 3: then it cuts to the boys, you fired your mom? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it was like, oh man, we did it really
Speaker 3: well in this episode. And I noticed two of them
Speaker 3: and I really thought, like, oh, okay, the writers are
Speaker 3: having a good time this season.
Speaker 1: It's nice. So speaking of the boys, it was interesting
Speaker 1: to see Nathan. The storyline with deb is interesting to me,
Speaker 1: and I guess I get it because he's been through
Speaker 1: so much with both of his parents that to finally
Speaker 1: put his trust in his mom. And just you know,
Speaker 1: she's been in and out of rehab, she's had such
Speaker 1: a tempestuous relationship with Dan, She's made some really selfish
Speaker 1: choices in the past, and she finally seems to be
Speaker 1: settling into her life in a very real and comfortable way,
Speaker 1: and now she's doing something erratic, it seems to him again.
Speaker 1: But Nathan wrestling with his priorities, like I guess, everything
Speaker 1: getting thrown upside down with Q and not knowing who
Speaker 1: he can lean on and who he can trust. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty, in my opinion, stupid move for
Speaker 1: Deb to reveal it at the funeral like that. But
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not perfect. It's terrible.
Speaker 3: But I will say, on the one hand, you go,
Speaker 3: this is the moment, and on the other hand, you go,
Speaker 3: that's the most human thing to do for this person
Speaker 3: that you really care about.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so that's where I'm going. It's like
Speaker 1: Nathan coming to the realization that his parents aren't perfect,
Speaker 1: but like, his mom's not perfect, but she's still good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like that was an important moment for
Speaker 1: him to get to that place where he wasn't just
Speaker 1: compartmentalizing everything about his parents. It was like something about
Speaker 1: Q's death just broke open this spot for him to
Speaker 1: just go okay eventually, you know, at the by the end, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to just go okay. I have to leave room for error.
Speaker 1: There just has to be room for error. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that my mom it's not black or white.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean my mom's a bad person. It's just
Speaker 1: like she makes choices I wouldn't make. It's just interesting
Speaker 1: to see him wrestle with that.
Speaker 3: Well. And you know what I wish we were going
Speaker 3: to get a little bit of especially because we are
Speaker 3: acknowledging the complexity of familial relationships here. We're doing it
Speaker 3: with Peyton and Mick, We're doing it with broken Victoria
Speaker 3: Brook is finally going to therapy.
Speaker 1: Thank God.
Speaker 3: It's like we're digging into the realer stuff on the show.
Speaker 3: We're not just doing glossy relationship drama all the time.
Speaker 3: And I know we're not going to get it, but
Speaker 3: what I wish we were going to get too now
Speaker 3: that Nathan understands there's real feelings between these people, because look,
Speaker 3: I get the initial like my mom is sleeping with
Speaker 3: my friend. What's hell?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 3: But I wish we could also get to a place
Speaker 3: for debb where we got to understand a little bit
Speaker 3: of why, where we got to hear a woman say, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was in an abusive relationship and now I'm not
Speaker 3: going to date someone unless I've known them for a while,
Speaker 3: unless I've gotten to watch their behavior realize they're a
Speaker 3: good person, not that they're a narcissist who's trying to
Speaker 3: like mark me. And then, you know, we've talked about
Speaker 3: this a lot on the show. You know you and
Speaker 3: I have experience with narcissists, like it changes the way
Speaker 3: you perceive people and how long you wait to trust
Speaker 3: people and how long you wait to trust yourself.
Speaker 1: Because really, like she's going, I keep picking these people,
Speaker 1: So something's wrong with me too, right, And.
Speaker 3: So I it's like starting to see a glimmer of
Speaker 3: the acknowledgment of I don't want to hurt you and
Speaker 3: I want to be happy.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like, oh man, I would.
Speaker 3: Love for this to lead to more honest conversations between
Speaker 3: Nathan and Deb about Deb's experiences as the woman in
Speaker 3: relationship to Dan. Yeah, and I don't think we're gonna
Speaker 3: get that, And I don't know part of me that's
Speaker 3: like read all the books that we like send back
Speaker 3: and forth, was just like, damn it, I want to
Speaker 3: get there, like we're we're there's such an opportunity here,
Speaker 3: And I just think Barbara does such a beautiful job
Speaker 3: when she gets to be in those scenes with James
Speaker 3: and and Deb just gets to tell Nathan how she feels,
Speaker 3: and I want more of it.
Speaker 1: I do too. And it's also considering all that, it
Speaker 1: actually makes it bigger deal that she was willing to
Speaker 1: break it off with Antoine in order to have a
Speaker 1: relationship with Jamie. Yeah, this man, life is complex like that,
Speaker 1: Like what are you going to do? Your son gives
Speaker 1: you an ultimatum, like, I mean, yeah, you could choose
Speaker 1: to say, well, you're not the boss of me. I'm
Speaker 1: going to do what I want and to live your
Speaker 1: own life, and that's you're well within your rights to
Speaker 1: do that, and he would be wrong in my opinion.
Speaker 1: But life isn't always black and white. Again, It's like
Speaker 1: her going, you know, this relationship is I have to
Speaker 1: weigh these these options, and my grandson and my son
Speaker 1: are my priority. And in spite of the fact that
Speaker 1: they're putting he's putting me in a position that I
Speaker 1: don't deserve to be in. It is ultimately like my
Speaker 1: I want to have that relationship with him, and that's
Speaker 1: the important thing and we'll figure it out later on.
Speaker 1: But what a sacrifice to go to somebody that's finally
Speaker 1: making you happy and that you're in a great relationship
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm sorry, I just can't I can't
Speaker 1: do it well.
Speaker 3: And I mean not to get like so deep in
Speaker 3: the weeds on the emotional end of it, and the
Speaker 3: you know, the the therapy research.
Speaker 1: But you know, I love your research and I love it.
Speaker 3: Even the fact when you think about it, When you
Speaker 3: know Deb has known Skills for so long, he felt
Speaker 3: like a safe person for her to like get back
Speaker 3: into her body with, you know, like a trustworthy, non
Speaker 3: threatening this person's not going to be violent with me.
Speaker 3: I can like have physical experience, you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: even without going into so much detail, Skills expresses that
Speaker 3: to Nathan. He's like, yeah, it might have started as
Speaker 3: a sex thing, but it's a whole other thing now.
Speaker 3: I have feelings for her, and deb is admitting that
Speaker 3: she has feelings for him. And I think there's also
Speaker 3: something profound about a woman who's gotten out of, you know,
Speaker 3: an abusive relationship, like finding a relationship to her her
Speaker 3: physical and emotional body and well being again with someone
Speaker 3: in a safe way. And I don't know, I kind
Speaker 3: of love that Haley's the one who gets to call
Speaker 3: Nathan out on his reaction and be like, hey, guy,
Speaker 3: you slept with my sister, you like you know how
Speaker 3: we got started. You didn't say it, but could have
Speaker 3: been like you slept with like every cheerleader in the school.
Speaker 1: Yep, come on, both of my best friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like literally everyone, and and I just love that
Speaker 3: his response is like, cool, you're just never gonna stop
Speaker 3: trying to make me a better person. Okay, great, great,
Speaker 3: and you're like no, because you're kind of in an immigrant.
Speaker 3: It's like so sweet.
Speaker 1: And Jamie's saying, I let you kiss my mom.
Speaker 3: That mind My favorite line of the episode me too,
Speaker 3: especially because Nathan's trying to rationalize to a five year
Speaker 3: old why he's upset, and the five year old's like, well,
Speaker 3: they like each other and I like them both, so
Speaker 3: who cares? And he's like, yeah, but that's my mom,
Speaker 3: like an adult is saying this to a child, and
Speaker 3: the child's responses, you kiss my mom, Like he literally
Speaker 3: just owns him, like okay, dummy, It's so great.
Speaker 1: It's so great out of the mouths of babes. I
Speaker 1: do love that. I love the fact that he just man,
Speaker 1: kids really can have a way of seeing things in
Speaker 1: the most simple format, and I think we need that sometimes.
Speaker 1: Nathan probably needed it here well, and.
Speaker 3: Not to pingpong around like total adhd brain no dabt.
Speaker 3: It actually really makes me think. Jamie is so clear
Speaker 3: with Nathan. He's just like dad, like you kiss my mom.
Speaker 3: He just says the truth. And then you think about
Speaker 3: Peyton being in front of meck and she can't bear
Speaker 3: to ask him on that walk, are you my dad?
Speaker 1: So scary?
Speaker 3: But you see her wanting to, so instead she takes
Speaker 3: a deep breath and says, did you know my dad?
Speaker 3: And then looks at him, hoping that because she cracked
Speaker 3: the door, he'll walk through it. And isn't it interesting
Speaker 3: that we layer on all of our experiences, We carry
Speaker 3: them around with us for our whole lives, and as
Speaker 3: adults sometimes we just can't be as clear as we
Speaker 3: could be when we were five.
Speaker 1: Man, I wish I could. I really wish I could.
Speaker 3: It's just so I don't know. I love the sort
Speaker 3: of dichotomy of all of these parental relationships in this episode.
Speaker 1: Yes I do too. Okay, Well, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: other parental relationship because there's so much Brook here to
Speaker 1: dive into. She goes to New York, shows up at
Speaker 1: Victoria's apartment. It's a glock down on the table. How
Speaker 1: does she even get to New York on the plane
Speaker 1: with the gun?
Speaker 3: I got on an airplane on my workoutfit.
Speaker 1: Your workoutfit?
Speaker 3: I have no jacket. I have flown from North Carolina
Speaker 3: to New York without with no jacket. This was also
Speaker 3: good God, this was the season where Wardrobe loved to
Speaker 3: put me in vests. And I have no sunglasses on,
Speaker 3: but I'm I have two black eyes. How am I
Speaker 3: walking around New York City and all? I don't have
Speaker 3: a carry on, I don't have anything. I have a
Speaker 3: handbag with a gun. How did I get on a plane?
Speaker 1: She's a Brooke Davis. She was just like, let me
Speaker 1: on the plane. It was her private plane.
Speaker 3: I must have checked a bag and just left it
Speaker 3: with the doorman or something.
Speaker 7: But you knew that.
Speaker 1: You were just going to say, like you didn't think
Speaker 1: you were staying overnight, So why would you check a bag?
Speaker 3: But you can't get on a plane with a gun
Speaker 3: unless you check it. I don't know it was. I
Speaker 3: just was like, how I'm going to suspend my own disbelief,
Speaker 3: but this feels ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I just wish she had drove, Like why would it
Speaker 1: have been so hard for her to just get in
Speaker 1: the car and dress.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe right, maybe she charted a plane.
Speaker 3: Maybe Brook has that much money.
Speaker 1: I not anymore.
Speaker 3: She gave away your company, well, she at the end
Speaker 3: of the episode. Yeah, but I will say all of
Speaker 3: the ridiculousness of it aside. I loved like just throwing
Speaker 3: the bag down, putting the gun on the table and
Speaker 3: being like we need to talk.
Speaker 1: Like you had to commit to that material so hard.
Speaker 1: Oh huh, there's no there's no half assing that without
Speaker 1: it just looking. But you pulled it off. I mean
Speaker 1: I believed you. It felt very like, this is what
Speaker 1: you've brought me to. You've brought you have brought me
Speaker 1: to this place where I'm carrying around a gun because
Speaker 1: I'm terrified for my life. So here I want you
Speaker 1: to see for real what you've done to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was interesting. I remember I remember wanting
Speaker 3: to make sure that it would feel honest, but it
Speaker 3: wouldn't feel melodramatic. Yeah, that's to do. Oh there's like
Speaker 3: such an opportunity to be like you've reduced me to
Speaker 3: a shell of myself, you know, and it's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god. So I had to figure out a way
Speaker 3: to put that sort of like really tough brook energy
Speaker 3: on it so it could be this like spicy teta
Speaker 3: tet between the two of them, but also have beats
Speaker 3: where like the fear could come out, and I remember
Speaker 3: I just remember like really wanting to get it right
Speaker 3: and being so happy getting into it with Daphne because
Speaker 3: we just have such good chemistry. Yeah, that it like
Speaker 3: quickly all of the how do you track the roller
Speaker 3: coaster of emotion in this sequence homework stuff we do
Speaker 3: as actors went away and we were just at each other. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that felt cool.
Speaker 1: What I thought was one of the things that was
Speaker 1: really interesting about that scene is that it is the
Speaker 1: first time that the roles were reversed and Victoria was
Speaker 1: on the defense. Every other time that I can remember
Speaker 1: Brooke and Victoria interacting, Brooke throws a fit sometimes, but
Speaker 1: Victoria always is more calm, always more I don't mean
Speaker 1: to reduce Brooke. I'm not saying she throws a fit,
Speaker 1: but you know, she acts out like she has her moment,
Speaker 1: and Victoria just stays above it all and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm in charge, I've got the upper hand, and she
Speaker 1: just lays down whatever thing she thinks she needs, and
Speaker 1: Brooke was always left sort of in shambles, like what
Speaker 1: just happened? I came in hot, I was right, I
Speaker 1: had been wronged and somehow I'm still the one who's
Speaker 1: crying and yeah, questioning myself. And it was the first
Speaker 1: time that we got to see Victoria actually be scrambling
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to how to get through
Speaker 1: the conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and so many things were so telling that
Speaker 3: her first question was did you go to the police?
Speaker 3: The first fear is what about the brand? What about
Speaker 3: the reputation? And brookeets to throw that back in her face,
Speaker 3: you know, because it's like, oh, you the pr spinner,
Speaker 3: you know, and it really is working, and she's really
Speaker 3: mustering up this courage to talk about how she doesn't
Speaker 3: want to be like her mom. She doesn't want to
Speaker 3: become this person, you know, she doesn't want any of this.
Speaker 3: And then Victoria really hammers her with this thing that
Speaker 3: is so cold and so cruel, but freeing.
Speaker 1: She doesn't say it in a cruel way. That's what's
Speaker 1: so interesting and why Daphne's such a great actress. She
Speaker 1: could have said it in a way that was mean
Speaker 1: and like a vendetta. No, she just that's pure narcissism. Again,
Speaker 1: just really believed that she was a victim, and she
Speaker 1: was thinking that this is going to help explain to
Speaker 1: you why why she treats you so badly. But it
Speaker 1: had the.
Speaker 8: Opposite effect, which was really cool.
Speaker 3: I liked that the story for Brooke was fuel instead
Speaker 3: of something that hurt her, like it frees her. I
Speaker 3: remember having this feeling in that scene. I have such
Speaker 3: sense memory of this one, like just shaking my head
Speaker 3: looking at her, being like, oh my god, I don't
Speaker 3: have to carry this anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened. My notes Brooke shedding, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: she's shedding well.
Speaker 3: And we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: Whatever's happening in the world. All these people are sort
Speaker 3: of reclaiming their independence and their power, and it's been
Speaker 3: a wild season for a lot of humans, and we
Speaker 3: talked about the like the aha, you know, at least
Speaker 3: it has been for me this year of learning to
Speaker 3: not just to carry everybody else's stuff, to not be
Speaker 3: so worried about being a people pleaser, to not be
Speaker 3: so worried about making everybody else happy, even if I'm miserable,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, it felt resonant with me in
Speaker 3: a way now that I was like, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 3: feeling of going, oh, I don't have to carry this anymore.
Speaker 3: This isn't about me at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bye, And it's so.
Speaker 3: Important And I don't think I knew. I remember it
Speaker 3: feeling so good for the character then, but I don't
Speaker 3: think I knew how profound it felt in my life yet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's cool to see it now. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I I really looking back on it, like the way
Speaker 3: this whole thing went down, and I like that before
Speaker 3: Victoria tells her the whole thing about this accidental pregnancy
Speaker 3: and she never wanted to be a mom in the
Speaker 3: first place, and they had a daughter and not a
Speaker 3: son and all this stuff that's really dark that she
Speaker 3: actually admits her jealousy, as though I was a failure
Speaker 3: as a mother. You got everything you ever wanted, everything
Speaker 3: I ever wanted. And Brooke gets to know that her
Speaker 3: mom's just been jealous of her this whole time.
Speaker 1: Oh and real.
Speaker 3: It's heavy, but it's but it is freeing.
Speaker 1: It's so freeing. This scene. It's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: Brook moments I think in this show, because you were
Speaker 1: you know, I know, we use this phrase a lot
Speaker 1: dropped into your body. But the difference here was I
Speaker 1: feel like you really allowed Brooke to not have processed
Speaker 1: this enough to get haughty with it. That might be
Speaker 1: too dramatic of a word, But when you feel really
Speaker 1: proud of yourself for standing up for yourself and walking
Speaker 1: out of the room and doing the you know, your
Speaker 1: famous stop over the shoulder, give the last line thing,
Speaker 1: which is always so good, But you did all those
Speaker 1: things without that sense of I'm proud of myself for
Speaker 1: doing this, because it's like it hadn't even hit yet.
Speaker 1: She hadn't She didn't even have time to go, here's
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do, and I'm laying it down and
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. It was just pure guttural reaction.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm just done. Oh I'm just gonna go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because the difference is it's not it's not an
Speaker 3: I win. That's it.
Speaker 1: It's not I win.
Speaker 3: I'm free, Yes, I'm free. Okay, it's it's the aha moment. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She didn't need to win, No, she had already won.
Speaker 1: It's like the realization of like, oh, I don't this
Speaker 1: isn't even well, this is not even a fight, it's
Speaker 1: not even a thing.
Speaker 3: And then the win for her is to say take
Speaker 3: the company. I don't want it. Yeah, that's where she
Speaker 3: gets to win, that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But I don't even think it started that
Speaker 1: way in the way that I interpreted that, And maybe
Speaker 1: you were thinking's any different when you were doing the scene,
Speaker 1: But for me, it still felt like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 1: done shedding hold on, this is the last piece I
Speaker 1: need to unload.
Speaker 3: Well because in a way she realizes, oh, I'm going
Speaker 3: to cut the last cord. That's it. I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna cut it. I don't want it. And then
Speaker 3: she gets that last little moment she gets her win
Speaker 3: when she says congrats, now you got everything you ever wanted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she had to just let it all go first,
Speaker 1: and then like, oh, yeah, this feels good. This is
Speaker 1: what I should have been doing all this time. And
Speaker 1: it goes to that quote that Lucas says on the
Speaker 1: basketball court, sometimes it's not about winning, it's about healing.
Speaker 7: Yes, so good it does altogether, and that's what it is,
Speaker 7: and that I think maybe that's why the scene feels
Speaker 7: like such a big deal to me now, because that's it.
Speaker 3: When you when you put down all the shit you're
Speaker 3: carrying because other people told you you were supposed to ah,
Speaker 3: or you put down trying to fix something with a
Speaker 3: toxic human because they're your family or your spouse or
Speaker 3: or whatever, and you just go like, wait, what am
Speaker 3: I doing this for?
Speaker 1: What am I doing?
Speaker 3: Is life supposed to be this hard? I don't think
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be this hard to look around and
Speaker 3: say I'm done. Now, I'm done doing the work. It's freedom.
Speaker 1: I have said that for years about like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's out there now. When I left the group that
Speaker 1: I was a part of and there was something that
Speaker 1: I I've people keep asking me like, was it so
Speaker 1: hard to leave with it? So I was like, actually, no,
Speaker 1: walking away was the easiest part. The aftermath dealing with
Speaker 1: everything is another story, but like walking away is the
Speaker 1: easiest part because when you realize exactly what you're talking
Speaker 1: about and you just like, oh, oh, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do this anymore. Done.
Speaker 3: I was actually telling somebody the other day, Joy, you'll
Speaker 3: love it, because we've obviously both been through it. But
Speaker 3: I was saying that, like it started in the spring
Speaker 3: for me and then like through the spring and summer.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that Megan the Stallion song howt Girl Summer? Yeah,
Speaker 3: So like the group chat of like women going through
Speaker 3: separations and divorces, like just kept growing, and then at
Speaker 3: one point someone renamed it Hot Divorce Summer, and I
Speaker 3: was just dying. I was like the fact that we
Speaker 3: have this group chat that is literally giving everybody life
Speaker 3: and people are trading like recommendations for lawyers, sending each
Speaker 3: other like quotes from phenomenal writers. We have like a
Speaker 3: book club going. We're sending each other like really hilarious
Speaker 3: memes from like TikTok. It just got so great and
Speaker 3: I was like, I in this moment while we're all
Speaker 3: processing this and we're going to get feedback from our listeners,
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe we need to make that movie.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, that's a TV show winding
Speaker 1: me down right, Like that's the problem.
Speaker 3: I want to watch is like all the women getting free.
Speaker 1: But it's like Hot Divorce Summer. Yeah for summer. That's funny.
Speaker 1: I know that at it, Like okay, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's total sidebar. But First Wives Club, Oh it was brilliant.
Speaker 1: But when I watch it, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: they were our age? That was that was supposed to
Speaker 1: be all like our age in that movie.
Speaker 3: Which is no sense.
Speaker 1: I know in the nineties were crazy.
Speaker 3: The meme that goes around at Christmas, which like now
Speaker 3: is hitting the internet everywhere. That's like, if you're thirty six,
Speaker 3: do you realize that Kevin's mom and home alone the
Speaker 3: same age as you? And I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: didn't she have like eight kids?
Speaker 1: She would I could not.
Speaker 3: It's so wild to me. It's wild. Okay. But the
Speaker 3: last thing I'm going to say bringing it all back
Speaker 3: full circle to this New York jaunt for Brook, I
Speaker 3: love the callback to our scene with Jamie when I
Speaker 3: get in the cab and the guy asked me where
Speaker 3: I'm going, and I say, take me to the airport.
Speaker 3: I'm going home to my family. Because Brooke is like,
Speaker 3: I just wish I had a family like yours, and
Speaker 3: he says, you do. Yes, you're my aunt Brook.
Speaker 1: You're my aunt Brook. That's it. I'm going back to
Speaker 1: my family.
Speaker 3: It really reminds you, you know, all of us, that
Speaker 3: you get to build it, you really do. And I
Speaker 3: think I just loved that. I was like, yeah, that
Speaker 3: feels really important. I thought the whole montage at the
Speaker 3: end was really good for everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. The notes that I have on the
Speaker 1: end of this episode, aside from music in big capital letters,
Speaker 1: because the music is in this episode was again Lindsay Wilfington,
Speaker 1: so excellent. Yeah, is the gestures we make, the rituals
Speaker 1: that we have. There was something about like Brook getting
Speaker 1: in the back seat of the taxi. We've seen her
Speaker 1: do this in the back We've seen her in the
Speaker 1: back seat of a limo with Victoria. We've seen her
Speaker 1: in the back of the taxi and backseat of cars.
Speaker 1: There's something about this ritual. I mean whatever, it's a ritual.
Speaker 1: You're in a taxi cab. Of course you're going to
Speaker 1: be in the back seat. But it's reminiscent of those moments.
Speaker 1: And then the boys, the basketball players, the patch, the
Speaker 1: fact that Lucas got them all new jerseys with the patch,
Speaker 1: the gesture that they're making of playing without a fifth
Speaker 1: and then asking to play without a fifth for the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. There are these rituals and gestures
Speaker 1: that we make in life, and it calls back to
Speaker 1: Lucas's quote, life is fleeting, our time here is short,
Speaker 1: and to honor the fallen, we must live our lives well.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that I have a complete thought
Speaker 1: on this as much as it was just a deep
Speaker 1: emotion and an awareness of how important those gestures and
Speaker 1: rituals are. And I just honor that about our show.
Speaker 1: I feel like we did a really great job bringing
Speaker 1: those up and continuing them throughout the seasons. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and you know, we talked about this the other
Speaker 3: day with Robbie. But obviously it's so frustrating to have
Speaker 3: lost such an impactful character because a bunch of grown ups,
Speaker 3: like we're arguing about people's paychecks. But it really did
Speaker 3: allow us to open this sort of trapdoor to even
Speaker 3: more feeling and even more ritual. Yeah, and it created
Speaker 3: the container that was, you know, built out of such
Speaker 3: serious emotion that it sort of required all the characters
Speaker 3: to process these big, serious things. And it really was
Speaker 3: I think to our storylines. It was a gift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's inspiring too. The ritual of coming together,
Speaker 1: the gestures of Quintin's not here to see them do that,
Speaker 1: it's not I mean, it's for him, but it's also
Speaker 1: for them. And the gestures of feeling. Oh, that was
Speaker 1: the last piece of skills, making the gesture to come
Speaker 1: even though it was he didn't do anything wrong and
Speaker 1: he knew Nathan was mad at him, and he just
Speaker 1: put himself out there and took the risk. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: just really admired that. I thought that was such a
Speaker 1: cool choice. I did too, another just gesture like, let's
Speaker 1: play the ritual, let's do our dance that we've been doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. Yeah. And he shows up, well, he
Speaker 3: shows up to fill a void in Nathan's life and
Speaker 3: by doing so, remind him that he's going to be
Speaker 3: there for him no matter what.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the and the sort of second layer of that
Speaker 3: is and I have been for this long, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: for all for our friendships and all these things we
Speaker 3: do and have done all these years together. And I
Speaker 3: loved that. Again, sometimes you know, they to make time,
Speaker 3: they would cut the moments in our scenes. It was
Speaker 3: just dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, And I loved that they
Speaker 3: didn't do that here. And they let the awkwardness hang
Speaker 3: in the air, and they let Nathan really look at skills.
Speaker 3: We really got to watch James decide whether or not
Speaker 3: he was going to answer the question yeah, and then
Speaker 3: he said, yeah, you know, I need to work on
Speaker 3: my left And it was such a good double entendre.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's where we start. Oh, I was like,
Speaker 3: we did it. I love it.
Speaker 1: Yes, the beautiful tapestry of life weaving together all the
Speaker 1: imperfections and just coming back to family, coming back to
Speaker 1: your emotional home. So good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys, so good.
Speaker 1: Else to say? I really loved this episode. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was such a nice, pleasant surprise.
Speaker 3: We touched on Nanny Carey being in the house, Yeah
Speaker 3: we did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, she was great. I love Tori, She's
Speaker 1: always great. I liked that. You know, she came and
Speaker 1: talked to Deb on the bench. That was kind of funny.
Speaker 1: That was wild.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's how she knew like Deb wouldn't be there.
Speaker 3: It was so creepy.
Speaker 1: Also in what a weird way that she actually inspired
Speaker 1: Deb to make the stand up for herself a relationship,
Speaker 1: you know what. It just goes to show you like
Speaker 1: people can be used in any way, any shape or form.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, someone's hero is someone else's villain and vice versa.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's good, that's good. Okay. Listen from Mary Kate
Speaker 1: episode six oh two. You guys are talking about how
Speaker 1: it's a friend's job to tell Brooke you're not okay
Speaker 1: or to help her open up okay, as women who
Speaker 1: have grown up together and have a trusting relationship, do
Speaker 1: you have any tips on how to start the conversation
Speaker 1: with a friend. Even with that kind of relationship, it
Speaker 1: can be hard to talk about hard things. That's true,
Speaker 1: Mary Kate, that is true. Yeah, I don't know, pick
Speaker 1: up the phone.
Speaker 3: That's hard. I mean, I think it can all be hard.
Speaker 3: But I think the best way. I'm just thinking about
Speaker 3: it because six oh two, you know, I think we're
Speaker 3: referring to the fact that, you know, Hillary was voicing
Speaker 3: that she was so frustrated. Remember that Peyton didn't say like, hey,
Speaker 3: you're obviously not good, Like what's going on? I don't
Speaker 3: think you fell down the stairs. You know. I think
Speaker 3: if you know someone might not want to talk about something,
Speaker 3: but you're worried about them, I think sometimes the best
Speaker 3: way to approach it is I might be off base here, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I feel like you're not okay. I'm a little
Speaker 3: worried about you, and I'm here and you can tell
Speaker 3: me anything. Do you need to talk?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because what's the worst that can happen?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You could be off base, everything could be fine, and
Speaker 1: then they just know you're a great friend looking out
Speaker 1: for them, or they tell you what's up, or they
Speaker 1: aren't still aren't comfortable talking, but at least they know
Speaker 1: that you are there for them and that you know
Speaker 1: it's up to you. Yeah, I think that's good advice.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and I think I think what it can
Speaker 3: do if they're not ready, like you were saying, is
Speaker 3: it just reminds someone that you see them. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: sometimes that's what we have to do, Like through strange periods,
Speaker 3: we just say like I see you, I'm around, I'll wait,
Speaker 3: and sometimes people have to say, yeah, I'm not ready,
Speaker 3: but I see you too. And life is long, you know,
Speaker 3: like everything feels so pressing, and we want answers so
Speaker 3: quickly all the time, and we want everyone to have
Speaker 3: the right thing to say all the time, and we
Speaker 3: want to know everybody's business and everything is insane. And
Speaker 3: maybe that's because social media refreshes every time we pull
Speaker 3: our thumb down our phone screen.
Speaker 1: So we think training our brains.
Speaker 3: You know, we just think we're supposed to have more
Speaker 3: and more and more all the time all the time.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you just have to give people a minute. But
Speaker 3: I think a little reach out to say, like I'm here,
Speaker 3: if is a nice way to start. Yeah, and if
Speaker 3: it's slow, let it be slow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know, yeah, I agree. Just being there
Speaker 1: often makes such a huge difference. Yeah, that's funny you
Speaker 1: say life is long. It's because even though it does off,
Speaker 1: I always feel like, man, life is so short, and
Speaker 1: it is, you know, the core of the episode, life
Speaker 1: is Fleeting. When I landed in Nashville, the day that
Speaker 1: I moved to Nashville, me and Maria got on the plane,
Speaker 1: we landed here, I'm standing in the hallway of the
Speaker 1: airport and I hear somebody talking to me and I
Speaker 1: feel a hand on my shoulder. I turn around. It's
Speaker 1: Gavin de Graft in the air and I was like,
Speaker 1: what in the world are you doing here. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean I live here, it's not that crazy. And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I know, but like today of
Speaker 1: all days, the fact that I'm going somewhere with this
Speaker 1: so bear with me. But the fact that he and
Speaker 1: I told him this, I said, the fact that you
Speaker 1: were there. I know that you're just in the airport
Speaker 1: doing your thing. But for me, coming back to coming
Speaker 1: to a place where it represents the star of something
Speaker 1: that I never got to finish because of all these
Speaker 1: complications in my life when I you know, coming to
Speaker 1: Nashville to work on music and singing and try and
Speaker 1: do something again later in life to feel like am
Speaker 1: I even going to be able to do this? And
Speaker 1: it's just felt like a miracle to me, like a sign,
Speaker 1: like the fact that you from One Tree Hill were
Speaker 1: coming back into the future to tell me that it's
Speaker 1: all okay. And he said to me, the road is long,
Speaker 1: and that was it. It was like, I mean, he
Speaker 1: said other things, but like that was the that was
Speaker 1: the takeaway that, yeah, life is short, but the road
Speaker 1: is long. Yeah, and yeah, holding on to those friendships
Speaker 1: and like you're saying and just letting letting people know
Speaker 1: that you're there for them. And yeah, it's hard to
Speaker 1: talk about hard things with everybody. Everybody has it. You
Speaker 1: get a pit in your stomach. I hate that I
Speaker 1: have to say this out loud. It's scary. I don't
Speaker 1: like being vulnerable. Lah, But what's the alternative? What are
Speaker 1: you going to do? Yeah, we have to spin a
Speaker 1: wheel and we have to we have to spin a.
Speaker 3: Whel and we have to do an honorable mention.
Speaker 1: I mean honorable mention, Like does Jackson not get the
Speaker 1: honorable mention for that line, so.
Speaker 3: I got one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: It was so good. All right, let's spin a wheel.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, the most likely too get a tattoo they regret.
Speaker 1: I mean Haley did that, didn't she? I don't know,
Speaker 1: she sure did she? She got her a little tramp stamp.
Speaker 3: I feel like that tracks. I mean, I feel like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, Haley and Lucas both got pretty bad
Speaker 3: tattoos in high school. Maybe that's really the lesson is,
Speaker 3: just don't get tattoos in high school.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good lesson, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's a really good lesson.
Speaker 3: I like all the tattoos I've got, and as an adult,
Speaker 3: like the first two from like twenty three and twenty five,
Speaker 3: I'm still like, meh, they're fine. I can do without them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just feel like, wait, until you know
Speaker 3: yourself better.
Speaker 1: Nobody's reckless than Nobody like me is reckless enough that
Speaker 1: they would wake up with a tattoo or get something
Speaker 1: that they regret. I don't know, I can't think of
Speaker 1: anybody well, no, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, Hillary loves all her tattoos. I know Danille loves
Speaker 3: all her tattoos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like mine. I was even thinking of Daniel
Speaker 1: because when when at Hillary's wedding she had the tattoo
Speaker 1: artist and it was like one in the morning and
Speaker 1: Daniel's like, I'm gonna get mischief on my calf and
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: I did stop her and looked at her in the
Speaker 1: eyes and I was like, are you ready to do this?
Speaker 1: Do you want a word on the back of your calf?
Speaker 1: Are you sure? She said yes, and she loves it so.
Speaker 3: Great, loves it. I know, I think it's pretty great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Well, I mean, actually didn't. Didn't
Speaker 1: Chad get a tattoo that they had to cover up
Speaker 1: because I don't know if he regretted it or not,
Speaker 1: but they did have to no, because it was like
Speaker 1: it was in some other language. And then it ended
Speaker 1: up not being.
Speaker 3: On his shoulder. Yeah, that's where we put That's where
Speaker 3: we put Lucas's tattoo.
Speaker 1: Yes, because wait, he didn't mean like did he thought
Speaker 1: it mean something and then it actually meant like fork
Speaker 1: or like silverware like.
Speaker 3: You I think that's in the show. But didn't he
Speaker 3: have oh right, right right? He had a tattoo and
Speaker 3: then had to cover it with another tattoo, and that's
Speaker 3: why we had to put one over it. Is okay?
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 6: Is right?
Speaker 1: So? I think yeah? In real life? Okay. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he would do that today, but
Speaker 1: he's certainly well.
Speaker 3: He didn't have a Haley around to pause him and
Speaker 3: say are you sure? Are you sure?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man? I did just find this quote and I
Speaker 1: would love to read it. It's so good, okay. To
Speaker 1: love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and
Speaker 1: your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you
Speaker 1: want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must
Speaker 1: give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap
Speaker 1: it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries, avoid all entanglements,
Speaker 1: lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of
Speaker 1: your selfishness. But in that casket, safe, dark, motionless, airless,
Speaker 1: it will change. It will not be broken. It will
Speaker 1: become unbreaking, impenetrable, irredeemable. To love is to be vulnerable.
Speaker 1: M I love so in the spirit of exactly what
Speaker 1: Sophia you were just saying about being there for a
Speaker 1: friend and letting them know it's yeah. To love is
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable. So it is the most loving thing
Speaker 1: that you can do to just be vulnerable, if you know,
Speaker 1: if you can trust person to handle that. So hopefully
Speaker 1: you know you out there, Mary Kate have some really
Speaker 1: great friends in your life that you can experience that with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just give it a shot, all right, friends, Next
Speaker 3: week we will be on season six, episode five. You
Speaker 3: have dug your own grave, now live in it.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, sounds harsh. Wow, that was a great episode.
Speaker 1: I had a nice night.
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