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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama Girl drama Girl,

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Speaker 2: all about them.

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Speaker 3: High school queens.

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Speaker 2: We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl

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Speaker 2: cheering for the right teams, drama queens up girl fashion.

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Speaker 3: But you'll tough, girl, you could sit with us.

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Speaker 4: Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean we both got on the zoom and

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Speaker 3: took a deep bread. This is emotional. Yes, we're back,

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Speaker 3: Season six, episode four, Bridge Over Fumbled Water. The episode

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Speaker 3: aired September twenty second, two thousand and eight. There's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really like I don't want you guys to

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Speaker 1: of drama Queens. But I think we're both like recovering

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Speaker 1: I'm a little well, I don't mean I'm low energy.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like kind of in this state of I

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a really good way to put it,

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Speaker 3: because there's a lot of potential and there's still a

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Speaker 3: gonna laugh because you know, it's for our friends at home.

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Speaker 3: You've got Joy and I tonight. We don't have Hillary

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Speaker 3: this week, and normally she's the person who will crack

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Speaker 3: So let's see how we do.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, it'll be therapy. Oh all right. So after

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Speaker 3: Is that what it's called?

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Speaker 1: who also knew her late mother Ellie, and her biological

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Speaker 3: In fact so creepy. I'm like, don't you think I

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Speaker 1: This is one of the strange, unexpected things about our

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to stick around. I don't remember where

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Speaker 3: I'm really really curious how long we get to keep

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Speaker 1: I don't think it is, isn't it Kevin Kilner?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're working therapy. Okay, before we even get to Victoria.

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Speaker 3: Oh right, why did they make this woman play British?

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Speaker 3: It was like it was like a pancake they flipped

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Speaker 3: Well. And you know what I wish we were going

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Speaker 1: Thank God.

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Speaker 3: It's like we're digging into the realer stuff on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 3: good person, not that they're a narcissist who's trying to

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00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 3: like mark me. And then, you know, we've talked about

439
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: this a lot on the show. You know you and

440
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 3: I have experience with narcissists, like it changes the way

441
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: you perceive people and how long you wait to trust

442
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: people and how long you wait to trust yourself.

443
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: Because really, like she's going, I keep picking these people,

444
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: So something's wrong with me too, right, And.

445
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: So I it's like starting to see a glimmer of

446
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: the acknowledgment of I don't want to hurt you and

447
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: I want to be happy.

448
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like, oh man, I would.

449
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: Love for this to lead to more honest conversations between

450
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: Nathan and Deb about Deb's experiences as the woman in

451
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 3: relationship to Dan. Yeah, and I don't think we're gonna

452
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: get that, And I don't know part of me that's

453
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 3: like read all the books that we like send back

454
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: and forth, was just like, damn it, I want to

455
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: get there, like we're we're there's such an opportunity here,

456
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 3: And I just think Barbara does such a beautiful job

457
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: when she gets to be in those scenes with James

458
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 3: and and Deb just gets to tell Nathan how she feels,

459
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: and I want more of it.

460
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: I do too. And it's also considering all that, it

461
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 1: actually makes it bigger deal that she was willing to

462
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: break it off with Antoine in order to have a

463
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: relationship with Jamie. Yeah, this man, life is complex like that,

464
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: Like what are you going to do? Your son gives

465
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: you an ultimatum, like, I mean, yeah, you could choose

466
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: to say, well, you're not the boss of me. I'm

467
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: going to do what I want and to live your

468
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 1: own life, and that's you're well within your rights to

469
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: do that, and he would be wrong in my opinion.

470
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: But life isn't always black and white. Again, It's like

471
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: her going, you know, this relationship is I have to

472
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: weigh these these options, and my grandson and my son

473
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: are my priority. And in spite of the fact that

474
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: they're putting he's putting me in a position that I

475
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: don't deserve to be in. It is ultimately like my

476
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: I want to have that relationship with him, and that's

477
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: the important thing and we'll figure it out later on.

478
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: But what a sacrifice to go to somebody that's finally

479
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: making you happy and that you're in a great relationship

480
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm sorry, I just can't I can't

481
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: do it well.

482
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 3: And I mean not to get like so deep in

483
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: the weeds on the emotional end of it, and the

484
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: you know, the the therapy research.

485
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: But you know, I love your research and I love it.

486
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 3: Even the fact when you think about it, When you

487
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: know Deb has known Skills for so long, he felt

488
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: like a safe person for her to like get back

489
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: into her body with, you know, like a trustworthy, non

490
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: threatening this person's not going to be violent with me.

491
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 3: I can like have physical experience, you know. Yeah, And

492
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 3: even without going into so much detail, Skills expresses that

493
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: to Nathan. He's like, yeah, it might have started as

494
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 3: a sex thing, but it's a whole other thing now.

495
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: I have feelings for her, and deb is admitting that

496
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: she has feelings for him. And I think there's also

497
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: something profound about a woman who's gotten out of, you know,

498
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: an abusive relationship, like finding a relationship to her her

499
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: physical and emotional body and well being again with someone

500
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: in a safe way. And I don't know, I kind

501
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: of love that Haley's the one who gets to call

502
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: Nathan out on his reaction and be like, hey, guy,

503
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: you slept with my sister, you like you know how

504
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: we got started. You didn't say it, but could have

505
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: been like you slept with like every cheerleader in the school.

506
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: Yep, come on, both of my best friends.

507
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, like literally everyone, and and I just love that

508
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: his response is like, cool, you're just never gonna stop

509
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: trying to make me a better person. Okay, great, great,

510
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: and you're like no, because you're kind of in an immigrant.

511
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: It's like so sweet.

512
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: And Jamie's saying, I let you kiss my mom.

513
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 3: That mind My favorite line of the episode me too,

514
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: especially because Nathan's trying to rationalize to a five year

515
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: old why he's upset, and the five year old's like, well,

516
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: they like each other and I like them both, so

517
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: who cares? And he's like, yeah, but that's my mom,

518
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: like an adult is saying this to a child, and

519
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: the child's responses, you kiss my mom, Like he literally

520
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: just owns him, like okay, dummy, It's so great.

521
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 1: It's so great out of the mouths of babes. I

522
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: do love that. I love the fact that he just man,

523
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: kids really can have a way of seeing things in

524
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: the most simple format, and I think we need that sometimes.

525
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Nathan probably needed it here well, and.

526
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: Not to pingpong around like total adhd brain no dabt.

527
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: It actually really makes me think. Jamie is so clear

528
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: with Nathan. He's just like dad, like you kiss my mom.

529
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: He just says the truth. And then you think about

530
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: Peyton being in front of meck and she can't bear

531
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: to ask him on that walk, are you my dad?

532
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: So scary?

533
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: But you see her wanting to, so instead she takes

534
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: a deep breath and says, did you know my dad?

535
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: And then looks at him, hoping that because she cracked

536
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: the door, he'll walk through it. And isn't it interesting

537
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: that we layer on all of our experiences, We carry

538
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: them around with us for our whole lives, and as

539
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: adults sometimes we just can't be as clear as we

540
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: could be when we were five.

541
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: Man, I wish I could. I really wish I could.

542
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: It's just so I don't know. I love the sort

543
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 3: of dichotomy of all of these parental relationships in this episode.

544
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: Yes I do too. Okay, Well, let's talk about the

545
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: other parental relationship because there's so much Brook here to

546
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: dive into. She goes to New York, shows up at

547
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: Victoria's apartment. It's a glock down on the table. How

548
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: does she even get to New York on the plane

549
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: with the gun?

550
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: I got on an airplane on my workoutfit.

551
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: Your workoutfit?

552
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: I have no jacket. I have flown from North Carolina

553
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: to New York without with no jacket. This was also

554
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: good God, this was the season where Wardrobe loved to

555
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: put me in vests. And I have no sunglasses on,

556
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: but I'm I have two black eyes. How am I

557
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: walking around New York City and all? I don't have

558
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: a carry on, I don't have anything. I have a

559
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: handbag with a gun. How did I get on a plane?

560
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: She's a Brooke Davis. She was just like, let me

561
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: on the plane. It was her private plane.

562
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: I must have checked a bag and just left it

563
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: with the doorman or something.

564
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 7: But you knew that.

565
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: You were just going to say, like you didn't think

566
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: you were staying overnight, So why would you check a bag?

567
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: But you can't get on a plane with a gun

568
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 3: unless you check it. I don't know it was. I

569
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: just was like, how I'm going to suspend my own disbelief,

570
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: but this feels ridiculous.

571
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: I just wish she had drove, Like why would it

572
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: have been so hard for her to just get in

573
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: the car and dress.

574
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe right, maybe she charted a plane.

575
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: Maybe Brook has that much money.

576
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I not anymore.

577
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: She gave away your company, well, she at the end

578
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: of the episode. Yeah, but I will say all of

579
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: the ridiculousness of it aside. I loved like just throwing

580
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: the bag down, putting the gun on the table and

581
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: being like we need to talk.

582
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: Like you had to commit to that material so hard.

583
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: Oh huh, there's no there's no half assing that without

584
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: it just looking. But you pulled it off. I mean

585
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: I believed you. It felt very like, this is what

586
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: you've brought me to. You've brought you have brought me

587
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: to this place where I'm carrying around a gun because

588
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm terrified for my life. So here I want you

589
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: to see for real what you've done to me.

590
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was interesting. I remember I remember wanting

591
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: to make sure that it would feel honest, but it

592
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: wouldn't feel melodramatic. Yeah, that's to do. Oh there's like

593
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: such an opportunity to be like you've reduced me to

594
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: a shell of myself, you know, and it's like, oh

595
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: my god. So I had to figure out a way

596
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: to put that sort of like really tough brook energy

597
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: on it so it could be this like spicy teta

598
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: tet between the two of them, but also have beats

599
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: where like the fear could come out, and I remember

600
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: I just remember like really wanting to get it right

601
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: and being so happy getting into it with Daphne because

602
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: we just have such good chemistry. Yeah, that it like

603
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: quickly all of the how do you track the roller

604
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: coaster of emotion in this sequence homework stuff we do

605
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: as actors went away and we were just at each other. Yeah,

606
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: and that felt cool.

607
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: What I thought was one of the things that was

608
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: really interesting about that scene is that it is the

609
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: first time that the roles were reversed and Victoria was

610
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: on the defense. Every other time that I can remember

611
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: Brooke and Victoria interacting, Brooke throws a fit sometimes, but

612
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: Victoria always is more calm, always more I don't mean

613
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: to reduce Brooke. I'm not saying she throws a fit,

614
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: but you know, she acts out like she has her moment,

615
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: and Victoria just stays above it all and she's like,

616
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm in charge, I've got the upper hand, and she

617
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: just lays down whatever thing she thinks she needs, and

618
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: Brooke was always left sort of in shambles, like what

619
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: just happened? I came in hot, I was right, I

620
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: had been wronged and somehow I'm still the one who's

621
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: crying and yeah, questioning myself. And it was the first

622
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: time that we got to see Victoria actually be scrambling

623
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to how to get through

624
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: the conversation.

625
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and so many things were so telling that

626
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: her first question was did you go to the police?

627
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: The first fear is what about the brand? What about

628
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: the reputation? And brookeets to throw that back in her face,

629
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: you know, because it's like, oh, you the pr spinner,

630
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: you know, and it really is working, and she's really

631
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: mustering up this courage to talk about how she doesn't

632
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 3: want to be like her mom. She doesn't want to

633
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: become this person, you know, she doesn't want any of this.

634
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: And then Victoria really hammers her with this thing that

635
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 3: is so cold and so cruel, but freeing.

636
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: She doesn't say it in a cruel way. That's what's

637
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: so interesting and why Daphne's such a great actress. She

638
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: could have said it in a way that was mean

639
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: and like a vendetta. No, she just that's pure narcissism. Again,

640
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: just really believed that she was a victim, and she

641
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: was thinking that this is going to help explain to

642
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: you why why she treats you so badly. But it

643
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: had the.

644
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 8: Opposite effect, which was really cool.

645
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: I liked that the story for Brooke was fuel instead

646
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: of something that hurt her, like it frees her. I

647
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: remember having this feeling in that scene. I have such

648
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: sense memory of this one, like just shaking my head

649
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 3: looking at her, being like, oh my god, I don't

650
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: have to carry this anymore.

651
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened. My notes Brooke shedding, Yes, yes,

652
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: she's shedding well.

653
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 3: And we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.

654
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: Whatever's happening in the world. All these people are sort

655
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: of reclaiming their independence and their power, and it's been

656
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: a wild season for a lot of humans, and we

657
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: talked about the like the aha, you know, at least

658
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: it has been for me this year of learning to

659
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: not just to carry everybody else's stuff, to not be

660
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: so worried about being a people pleaser, to not be

661
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: so worried about making everybody else happy, even if I'm miserable,

662
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: and I don't know, it felt resonant with me in

663
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: a way now that I was like, oh, yeah, that

664
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: feeling of going, oh, I don't have to carry this anymore.

665
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 3: This isn't about me at all.

666
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, bye, And it's so.

667
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: Important And I don't think I knew. I remember it

668
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: feeling so good for the character then, but I don't

669
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 3: think I knew how profound it felt in my life yet. Yeah,

670
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: and it's cool to see it now. I don't know.

671
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: I I really looking back on it, like the way

672
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 3: this whole thing went down, and I like that before

673
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: Victoria tells her the whole thing about this accidental pregnancy

674
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: and she never wanted to be a mom in the

675
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: first place, and they had a daughter and not a

676
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: son and all this stuff that's really dark that she

677
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: actually admits her jealousy, as though I was a failure

678
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: as a mother. You got everything you ever wanted, everything

679
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: I ever wanted. And Brooke gets to know that her

680
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: mom's just been jealous of her this whole time.

681
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: Oh and real.

682
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 3: It's heavy, but it's but it is freeing.

683
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: It's so freeing. This scene. It's one of my favorite

684
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: Brook moments I think in this show, because you were

685
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, I know, we use this phrase a lot

686
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: dropped into your body. But the difference here was I

687
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: feel like you really allowed Brooke to not have processed

688
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: this enough to get haughty with it. That might be

689
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: too dramatic of a word, But when you feel really

690
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: proud of yourself for standing up for yourself and walking

691
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: out of the room and doing the you know, your

692
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: famous stop over the shoulder, give the last line thing,

693
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: which is always so good, But you did all those

694
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: things without that sense of I'm proud of myself for

695
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: doing this, because it's like it hadn't even hit yet.

696
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,959
Speaker 1: She hadn't She didn't even have time to go, here's

697
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do, and I'm laying it down and

698
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. It was just pure guttural reaction.

699
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: Oh I'm just done. Oh I'm just gonna go.

700
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because the difference is it's not it's not an

701
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: I win. That's it.

702
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: It's not I win.

703
00:38:54,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: I'm free, Yes, I'm free. Okay, it's it's the aha moment. Yeah.

704
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: She didn't need to win, No, she had already won.

705
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: It's like the realization of like, oh, I don't this

706
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: isn't even well, this is not even a fight, it's

707
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: not even a thing.

708
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: And then the win for her is to say take

709
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: the company. I don't want it. Yeah, that's where she

710
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: gets to win, that's it.

711
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But I don't even think it started that

712
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: way in the way that I interpreted that, And maybe

713
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: you were thinking's any different when you were doing the scene,

714
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: But for me, it still felt like, oh, I'm not

715
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: done shedding hold on, this is the last piece I

716
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: need to unload.

717
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: Well because in a way she realizes, oh, I'm going

718
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: to cut the last cord. That's it. I'm just gonna

719
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna cut it. I don't want it. And then

720
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: she gets that last little moment she gets her win

721
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: when she says congrats, now you got everything you ever wanted.

722
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she had to just let it all go first,

723
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: and then like, oh, yeah, this feels good. This is

724
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: what I should have been doing all this time. And

725
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: it goes to that quote that Lucas says on the

726
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: basketball court, sometimes it's not about winning, it's about healing.

727
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 7: Yes, so good it does altogether, and that's what it is,

728
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 7: and that I think maybe that's why the scene feels

729
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 7: like such a big deal to me now, because that's it.

730
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: When you when you put down all the shit you're

731
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: carrying because other people told you you were supposed to ah,

732
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: or you put down trying to fix something with a

733
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: toxic human because they're your family or your spouse or

734
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: or whatever, and you just go like, wait, what am

735
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: I doing this for?

736
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: What am I doing?

737
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: Is life supposed to be this hard? I don't think

738
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be this hard to look around and

739
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 3: say I'm done. Now, I'm done doing the work. It's freedom.

740
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: I have said that for years about like, I mean,

741
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: it's out there now. When I left the group that

742
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: I was a part of and there was something that

743
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: I I've people keep asking me like, was it so

744
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: hard to leave with it? So I was like, actually, no,

745
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: walking away was the easiest part. The aftermath dealing with

746
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: everything is another story, but like walking away is the

747
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: easiest part because when you realize exactly what you're talking

748
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: about and you just like, oh, oh, I don't want

749
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: to do this anymore. Done.

750
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: I was actually telling somebody the other day, Joy, you'll

751
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: love it, because we've obviously both been through it. But

752
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: I was saying that, like it started in the spring

753
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: for me and then like through the spring and summer.

754
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: Do you remember that Megan the Stallion song howt Girl Summer? Yeah,

755
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: So like the group chat of like women going through

756
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: separations and divorces, like just kept growing, and then at

757
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: one point someone renamed it Hot Divorce Summer, and I

758
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: was just dying. I was like the fact that we

759
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: have this group chat that is literally giving everybody life

760
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: and people are trading like recommendations for lawyers, sending each

761
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 3: other like quotes from phenomenal writers. We have like a

762
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: book club going. We're sending each other like really hilarious

763
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: memes from like TikTok. It just got so great and

764
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: I was like, I in this moment while we're all

765
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: processing this and we're going to get feedback from our listeners,

766
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe we need to make that movie.

767
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, that's a TV show winding

768
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: me down right, Like that's the problem.

769
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 3: I want to watch is like all the women getting free.

770
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: But it's like Hot Divorce Summer. Yeah for summer. That's funny.

771
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: I know that at it, Like okay, by the way,

772
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: it's total sidebar. But First Wives Club, Oh it was brilliant.

773
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: But when I watch it, I was like, this is

774
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: they were our age? That was that was supposed to

775
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: be all like our age in that movie.

776
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: Which is no sense.

777
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: I know in the nineties were crazy.

778
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: The meme that goes around at Christmas, which like now

779
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: is hitting the internet everywhere. That's like, if you're thirty six,

780
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: do you realize that Kevin's mom and home alone the

781
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: same age as you? And I was like, wait a minute,

782
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: didn't she have like eight kids?

783
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: She would I could not.

784
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: It's so wild to me. It's wild. Okay. But the

785
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 3: last thing I'm going to say bringing it all back

786
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: full circle to this New York jaunt for Brook, I

787
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: love the callback to our scene with Jamie when I

788
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 3: get in the cab and the guy asked me where

789
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: I'm going, and I say, take me to the airport.

790
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: I'm going home to my family. Because Brooke is like,

791
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: I just wish I had a family like yours, and

792
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 3: he says, you do. Yes, you're my aunt Brook.

793
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: You're my aunt Brook. That's it. I'm going back to

794
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: my family.

795
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 3: It really reminds you, you know, all of us, that

796
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: you get to build it, you really do. And I

797
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: think I just loved that. I was like, yeah, that

798
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: feels really important. I thought the whole montage at the

799
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 3: end was really good for everyone.

800
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. The notes that I have on the

801
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 1: end of this episode, aside from music in big capital letters,

802
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: because the music is in this episode was again Lindsay Wilfington,

803
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: so excellent. Yeah, is the gestures we make, the rituals

804
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: that we have. There was something about like Brook getting

805
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: in the back seat of the taxi. We've seen her

806
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: do this in the back We've seen her in the

807
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: back seat of a limo with Victoria. We've seen her

808
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: in the back of the taxi and backseat of cars.

809
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: There's something about this ritual. I mean whatever, it's a ritual.

810
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: You're in a taxi cab. Of course you're going to

811
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: be in the back seat. But it's reminiscent of those moments.

812
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: And then the boys, the basketball players, the patch, the

813
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: fact that Lucas got them all new jerseys with the patch,

814
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: the gesture that they're making of playing without a fifth

815
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: and then asking to play without a fifth for the

816
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: rest of the season. There are these rituals and gestures

817
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: that we make in life, and it calls back to

818
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: Lucas's quote, life is fleeting, our time here is short,

819
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: and to honor the fallen, we must live our lives well.

820
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know that I have a complete thought

821
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: on this as much as it was just a deep

822
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: emotion and an awareness of how important those gestures and

823
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: rituals are. And I just honor that about our show.

824
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: I feel like we did a really great job bringing

825
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: those up and continuing them throughout the seasons. Yeah.

826
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: Well, and you know, we talked about this the other

827
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: day with Robbie. But obviously it's so frustrating to have

828
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 3: lost such an impactful character because a bunch of grown ups,

829
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 3: like we're arguing about people's paychecks. But it really did

830
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: allow us to open this sort of trapdoor to even

831
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: more feeling and even more ritual. Yeah, and it created

832
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: the container that was, you know, built out of such

833
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: serious emotion that it sort of required all the characters

834
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: to process these big, serious things. And it really was

835
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: I think to our storylines. It was a gift.

836
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's inspiring too. The ritual of coming together,

837
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: the gestures of Quintin's not here to see them do that,

838
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: it's not I mean, it's for him, but it's also

839
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: for them. And the gestures of feeling. Oh, that was

840
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: the last piece of skills, making the gesture to come

841
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: even though it was he didn't do anything wrong and

842
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: he knew Nathan was mad at him, and he just

843
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: put himself out there and took the risk. Yeah. I

844
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: just really admired that. I thought that was such a

845
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: cool choice. I did too, another just gesture like, let's

846
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: play the ritual, let's do our dance that we've been doing.

847
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. Yeah. And he shows up, well, he

848
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: shows up to fill a void in Nathan's life and

849
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 3: by doing so, remind him that he's going to be

850
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: there for him no matter what.

851
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

852
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 3: And the and the sort of second layer of that

853
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: is and I have been for this long, yeah, you know,

854
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: for all for our friendships and all these things we

855
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: do and have done all these years together. And I

856
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: loved that. Again, sometimes you know, they to make time,

857
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: they would cut the moments in our scenes. It was

858
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 3: just dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, And I loved that they

859
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: didn't do that here. And they let the awkwardness hang

860
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: in the air, and they let Nathan really look at skills.

861
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: We really got to watch James decide whether or not

862
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: he was going to answer the question yeah, and then

863
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: he said, yeah, you know, I need to work on

864
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: my left And it was such a good double entendre.

865
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: So maybe that's where we start. Oh, I was like,

866
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: we did it. I love it.

867
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: Yes, the beautiful tapestry of life weaving together all the

868
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: imperfections and just coming back to family, coming back to

869
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: your emotional home. So good.

870
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys, so good.

871
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: Else to say? I really loved this episode. Yeah, it

872
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: was such a nice, pleasant surprise.

873
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 3: We touched on Nanny Carey being in the house, Yeah

874
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: we did.

875
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, she was great. I love Tori, She's

876
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: always great. I liked that. You know, she came and

877
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: talked to Deb on the bench. That was kind of funny.

878
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: That was wild.

879
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: Well, and that's how she knew like Deb wouldn't be there.

880
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: It was so creepy.

881
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: Also in what a weird way that she actually inspired

882
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: Deb to make the stand up for herself a relationship,

883
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: you know what. It just goes to show you like

884
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: people can be used in any way, any shape or form.

885
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: It's yeah, someone's hero is someone else's villain and vice versa.

886
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,959
Speaker 1: Hey, that's good, that's good. Okay. Listen from Mary Kate

887
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: episode six oh two. You guys are talking about how

888
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: it's a friend's job to tell Brooke you're not okay

889
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: or to help her open up okay, as women who

890
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: have grown up together and have a trusting relationship, do

891
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: you have any tips on how to start the conversation

892
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: with a friend. Even with that kind of relationship, it

893
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: can be hard to talk about hard things. That's true,

894
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: Mary Kate, that is true. Yeah, I don't know, pick

895
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: up the phone.

896
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: That's hard. I mean, I think it can all be hard.

897
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 3: But I think the best way. I'm just thinking about

898
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: it because six oh two, you know, I think we're

899
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: referring to the fact that, you know, Hillary was voicing

900
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: that she was so frustrated. Remember that Peyton didn't say like, hey,

901
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 3: you're obviously not good, Like what's going on? I don't

902
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: think you fell down the stairs. You know. I think

903
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: if you know someone might not want to talk about something,

904
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: but you're worried about them, I think sometimes the best

905
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: way to approach it is I might be off base here, Yeah,

906
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 3: but I feel like you're not okay. I'm a little

907
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: worried about you, and I'm here and you can tell

908
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 3: me anything. Do you need to talk?

909
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because what's the worst that can happen?

910
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

911
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: You could be off base, everything could be fine, and

912
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: then they just know you're a great friend looking out

913
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: for them, or they tell you what's up, or they

914
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: aren't still aren't comfortable talking, but at least they know

915
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: that you are there for them and that you know

916
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: it's up to you. Yeah, I think that's good advice.

917
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and I think I think what it can

918
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 3: do if they're not ready, like you were saying, is

919
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 3: it just reminds someone that you see them. Yeah, And

920
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: sometimes that's what we have to do, Like through strange periods,

921
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 3: we just say like I see you, I'm around, I'll wait,

922
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: and sometimes people have to say, yeah, I'm not ready,

923
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: but I see you too. And life is long, you know,

924
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 3: like everything feels so pressing, and we want answers so

925
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: quickly all the time, and we want everyone to have

926
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: the right thing to say all the time, and we

927
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: want to know everybody's business and everything is insane. And

928
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: maybe that's because social media refreshes every time we pull

929
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: our thumb down our phone screen.

930
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: So we think training our brains.

931
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: You know, we just think we're supposed to have more

932
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: and more and more all the time all the time.

933
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: Sometimes you just have to give people a minute. But

934
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 3: I think a little reach out to say, like I'm here,

935
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: if is a nice way to start. Yeah, and if

936
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 3: it's slow, let it be slow.

937
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know, yeah, I agree. Just being there

938
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: often makes such a huge difference. Yeah, that's funny you

939
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: say life is long. It's because even though it does off,

940
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: I always feel like, man, life is so short, and

941
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: it is, you know, the core of the episode, life

942
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: is Fleeting. When I landed in Nashville, the day that

943
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: I moved to Nashville, me and Maria got on the plane,

944
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: we landed here, I'm standing in the hallway of the

945
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: airport and I hear somebody talking to me and I

946
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: feel a hand on my shoulder. I turn around. It's

947
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: Gavin de Graft in the air and I was like,

948
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: what in the world are you doing here. He's like, well,

949
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean I live here, it's not that crazy. And

950
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I know, but like today of

951
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: all days, the fact that I'm going somewhere with this

952
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: so bear with me. But the fact that he and

953
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: I told him this, I said, the fact that you

954
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: were there. I know that you're just in the airport

955
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: doing your thing. But for me, coming back to coming

956
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: to a place where it represents the star of something

957
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: that I never got to finish because of all these

958
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: complications in my life when I you know, coming to

959
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: Nashville to work on music and singing and try and

960
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: do something again later in life to feel like am

961
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: I even going to be able to do this? And

962
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 1: it's just felt like a miracle to me, like a sign,

963
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: like the fact that you from One Tree Hill were

964
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: coming back into the future to tell me that it's

965
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: all okay. And he said to me, the road is long,

966
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: and that was it. It was like, I mean, he

967
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: said other things, but like that was the that was

968
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: the takeaway that, yeah, life is short, but the road

969
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: is long. Yeah, and yeah, holding on to those friendships

970
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: and like you're saying and just letting letting people know

971
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: that you're there for them. And yeah, it's hard to

972
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: talk about hard things with everybody. Everybody has it. You

973
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: get a pit in your stomach. I hate that I

974
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: have to say this out loud. It's scary. I don't

975
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: like being vulnerable. Lah, But what's the alternative? What are

976
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: you going to do? Yeah, we have to spin a

977
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: wheel and we have to we have to spin a.

978
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: Whel and we have to do an honorable mention.

979
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: I mean honorable mention, Like does Jackson not get the

980
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: honorable mention for that line, so.

981
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 3: I got one hundred percent.

982
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 6: It was so good. All right, let's spin a wheel.

983
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: Oh boy, the most likely too get a tattoo they regret.

984
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean Haley did that, didn't she? I don't know,

985
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: she sure did she? She got her a little tramp stamp.

986
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: I feel like that tracks. I mean, I feel like,

987
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: I don't know, Haley and Lucas both got pretty bad

988
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: tattoos in high school. Maybe that's really the lesson is,

989
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: just don't get tattoos in high school.

990
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: I think that's a good lesson, you know, I think

991
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: that's a really good lesson.

992
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 3: I like all the tattoos I've got, and as an adult,

993
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 3: like the first two from like twenty three and twenty five,

994
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: I'm still like, meh, they're fine. I can do without them.

995
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just feel like, wait, until you know

996
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 3: yourself better.

997
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: Nobody's reckless than Nobody like me is reckless enough that

998
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: they would wake up with a tattoo or get something

999
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: that they regret. I don't know, I can't think of

1000
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: anybody well, no, I.

1001
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: Mean, Hillary loves all her tattoos. I know Danille loves

1002
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: all her tattoos.

1003
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like mine. I was even thinking of Daniel

1004
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: because when when at Hillary's wedding she had the tattoo

1005
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: artist and it was like one in the morning and

1006
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: Daniel's like, I'm gonna get mischief on my calf and

1007
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: I was.

1008
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I did.

1009
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: I did stop her and looked at her in the

1010
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: eyes and I was like, are you ready to do this?

1011
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: Do you want a word on the back of your calf?

1012
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: Are you sure? She said yes, and she loves it so.

1013
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: Great, loves it. I know, I think it's pretty great.

1014
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Well, I mean, actually didn't. Didn't

1015
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: Chad get a tattoo that they had to cover up

1016
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: because I don't know if he regretted it or not,

1017
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: but they did have to no, because it was like

1018
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: it was in some other language. And then it ended

1019
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: up not being.

1020
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 3: On his shoulder. Yeah, that's where we put That's where

1021
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: we put Lucas's tattoo.

1022
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 1: Yes, because wait, he didn't mean like did he thought

1023
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: it mean something and then it actually meant like fork

1024
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: or like silverware like.

1025
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 3: You I think that's in the show. But didn't he

1026
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 3: have oh right, right right? He had a tattoo and

1027
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 3: then had to cover it with another tattoo, and that's

1028
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 3: why we had to put one over it. Is okay?

1029
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1030
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 6: Is right?

1031
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: So? I think yeah? In real life? Okay. I mean, look,

1032
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if he would do that today, but

1033
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: he's certainly well.

1034
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 3: He didn't have a Haley around to pause him and

1035
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 3: say are you sure? Are you sure?

1036
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: Oh? Man? I did just find this quote and I

1037
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: would love to read it. It's so good, okay. To

1038
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and

1039
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you

1040
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must

1041
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 1: give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap

1042
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries, avoid all entanglements,

1043
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of

1044
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: your selfishness. But in that casket, safe, dark, motionless, airless,

1045
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: it will change. It will not be broken. It will

1046
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: become unbreaking, impenetrable, irredeemable. To love is to be vulnerable.

1047
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: M I love so in the spirit of exactly what

1048
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: Sophia you were just saying about being there for a

1049
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: friend and letting them know it's yeah. To love is

1050
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable. So it is the most loving thing

1051
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: that you can do to just be vulnerable, if you know,

1052
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: if you can trust person to handle that. So hopefully

1053
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: you know you out there, Mary Kate have some really

1054
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: great friends in your life that you can experience that with.

1055
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, just give it a shot, all right, friends, Next

1056
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: week we will be on season six, episode five. You

1057
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 3: have dug your own grave, now live in it.

1058
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: Oh boy, sounds harsh. Wow, that was a great episode.

1059
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: I had a nice night.

1060
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: Thanks, I loved it. Thanks, see you later, friends.

1061
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,400
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1062
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,760
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1065
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