1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Make financial progress with into It credit Karma. It's straightforward, 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: stress free and personalize for your financial journey. Download the 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: app to get started Credit Karma Start making progress today. 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric and this is next question. 5 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: It's the holiday season, Okay, I tried everyone, and with that, 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: many of us are gearing up to sit around tables 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: with people we don't necessarily see eye to eye with. Well, 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: that's something Jessica Tarlove does every single week. If you 9 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: don't know Jessica, she is the co host of The 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: Five on Fox News, where she's the lone liberal voice 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: among a panel of conservatives. She's built a reputation as 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: someone who can stand her ground and convey her points 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: without stooping to personal attacks and invect it. I wanted 14 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: to know, as do a lot of people, how the 15 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: heck does she do it? What is the secret to 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: keeping her cool, rationally stating her position and keeping things 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: well civil. Let's face it, we could all use a 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: little help in that department, especially as the holidays approached. 19 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: So get your pencils ready and take notes. Here's my 20 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: conversation with Jessica tar Love. Hi Jessica, Hi, so nice 21 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: to meet you met Katie have we never met before? 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: We met once at can Lyons at pTau like five 23 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: years ago. Oh my god, but like many cocktails do you? 24 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: And it was just like a fan girling where I 25 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: was like, Katie Kurk's here, so funny, so loosely we met. 26 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: Well, now I'm very excited that Jessica tar Love is here. 27 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: So I guess one of the first questions I'm going 28 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: to ask you and then we'll talk about all kinds 29 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: of things. Jessica is something that a lot of my 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: social media followers asked, and that was how do you 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: do it? How do you sit with four very conservative people? 32 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: Not every night? I guess you alternate with Harold Ford? Right, yeah, 33 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: but how do you do that? It's a a man 34 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: job to several times a week and keep your cool, 35 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: and I think it's miraculous. I've watched you a few times. 36 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm not a regular viewer of the Five. 37 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: I'm guess you are, though we have twenty two percent Democrats. 38 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, and I do like I like Dana 39 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: and I know Judge Janine from my previous life on 40 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: the Today Show. I don't really know Jesse or Greg Guttfeld. 41 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: That's a fascinating, fascinating thing in and of itself. His 42 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: Late night show. We sometimes watch because we're fascinated by it. 43 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're not alone in watching it and being 44 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: fascinated by it. He definitely filled a void in the 45 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 2: late time space, late night space, I should say, where 46 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: people didn't want to see five of the same guy 47 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: making the same jokes. Right, and he invites on a 48 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: wide range of people to be there, right, and people 49 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: are culty about it. I mean, he not just the ratings, 50 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: but how well he performs in the demo astounding. So 51 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: there are young people doing this, and then you look 52 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: at the election results and you say, well, this makes sense. 53 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. 54 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: They're like thirty somethings that are into this. 55 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, getting back to you, tell me how you 56 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: go on when you go on, and how you brace 57 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: yourself to be honestly a lone voice for sort of 58 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: the democratic point of view on that show. 59 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I will say, And I think it is 60 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: important contextually because a lot of people who watch the 61 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: show or see clips of me flying around, which is 62 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: how most people with my politics at least experience, They're like, 63 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: you mean, this is a whole hour because I thought 64 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: it was a three minute and fifteen second show, Like, 65 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: not at all. It goes the whole hour. I've been 66 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: at Fox my entire media career, so I don't know 67 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: anything different than being odd woman out, and I think 68 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: it's prepared me for those more difficult conversations. I mean 69 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: a lot of the five And I think why it 70 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: resonates with viewers is it's pretty light. Right, it's five o'clock. 71 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: You're supposed to be like hanging out. It's after work 72 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: for you know, whever, it's dinner time for some of 73 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: our older viewers, right, you're. 74 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they're having the Early Word special. Now it's 75 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: chic everywhere, and now people are maybe fixing dinner sticking rights. 76 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: And it's not supposed to be upsetting, right, It's not 77 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: supposed to be something. And so much of political commentary 78 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: right now and just discourse is harmful to your mental 79 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: well being and enraging, enraging, and it's not supposed to 80 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: do that. You're supposed to pay attention. And we obviously 81 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: the first half of the show where we do most 82 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: of the red meat political conversation, there are moments that 83 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: people get amped up especially when you really care about things. 84 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: And like you said, they are very passionate players that 85 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: are part of this ensemble. But we are trying and 86 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: seem to have effectively replicated what a lot of people 87 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: know in their real lives, where they have, you know, 88 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: a Thanksgiving table that might be predominantly conservative, but like 89 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: Aunt Jessica is invited and like she's really pissed that 90 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: Kamala lost or whatever, and there are moments of agreement 91 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: right where we all kind of come together and say, like, yeah, 92 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: that doesn't seem right right, we can all be on 93 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: the same side of this. So, having been at Fox 94 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: my whole career, I think it's just more inherently normal 95 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: to me to be in those kinds of moments. 96 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: Well, actually that brings me to my obvious follow up 97 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: is why have you been at Fox your entire career, 98 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: Jessica and what attracted you to that format as somebody 99 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: who whose ideology doesn't know necessarily mesh with most the 100 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: vast majority of people there. Yeah. 101 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: So my background is in political polling. I have a 102 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: PhD in government. I came back to I did my 103 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 2: PhD at LC in London, came home and I went 104 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 2: to work for Doug Shown, who was Bill Clinton's polster, right, 105 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: and Doug was and he went to bar I went 106 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: to Renmark. Yeah, seven Sisters Forever that. 107 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: My sisters both went to Smith and I got rejected. 108 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: Jessica rejected. Not even waitless jokes on that that is 109 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: another podcast for another time, but go on. 110 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: I was it's starting that I have young kids. But 111 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: I have some friends who have kids that are thinking 112 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: about heading into high school, and well they're not thinking 113 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: about it. They were going to go and they're thinking 114 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: about what high schools to go to. And I went 115 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: to Dalton here in New York City for just high 116 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: school and very prestigious, really hard to get into. And 117 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, how did you make that choice? And 118 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm like, little secret, I applied to thirteen schools out 119 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: of eighth grade and only got into Dalton. So I 120 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: feel you. The other us are like, we're not. 121 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I feel validated. Thank you. 122 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: Jessica Smith should feel bad. 123 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: I love Smith though, yeah, my sisters did too, and 124 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: one was five Beta Capain. They apparently loved sisters, so 125 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: I was really kind of bummed when they are there's 126 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: no backstory, No, I think it was I wasn't as 127 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: good a student as my sisters. But anyway, go on, 128 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: you went to Fox. 129 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Doug was a contributor at Fox basically since 130 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: he got out of the Clinton administration, and he was 131 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: as I continued to grow working for him and learning 132 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: how to do polling and delving more into the research side, 133 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: and I'm fundamentally a researcher. He said, I think it 134 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 2: would be really good for you to build your media skills. 135 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: And because he had connections to Fox, he introduced me 136 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: to Bookers and I started coming on. 137 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: But first your grandparents had met him at the Harmony 138 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: Club and basically. 139 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: Tila's all this time the Harmony Club, which is like 140 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: a very obnoxious, predominantly Jewish on the Upper East Side. 141 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: I was finishing my PhD, and my grandmother, like an 142 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: overbearing Jewish grandmother, like went up to him, probably while 143 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: he was at the buffet or something, and said, I 144 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: have a really smart granddaughter. And he's like, I've heard 145 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: that before. And he's like she's like, no, no, no, 146 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: she's really smart. Give her a chance, and he did, 147 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: which is how I started working for him. 148 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: And he's your grandmother, right, you owe a lot to her. 149 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: I do. 150 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: She's another podcast about the deeply complicated history of Malvina Roberts. 151 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: But she got me where I was going and I 152 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: will always be thankful for that. But then it just 153 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: pretty quickly was a good fit. I'm a proud establishment Democrat, 154 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: very moderate by the party standards, you know, Nancy Pelosi, 155 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton type of Democrat, not more AOC Bernie Sanders mold. 156 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,359 Speaker 2: And I think that that works better with the bipartisan conversation, 157 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: because I mean, if you want to have a food fight, 158 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: and you remember what cable news was like around once 159 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 2: Trump announced, and like every night on CNN, it was 160 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: like Anna Navarro losing her mind, right, and Kaylee mcanenney 161 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: was on in those days, and Anderson Cooper is just 162 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 2: kind of sitting in the middle petrified, right like that 163 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: that's what it was like. But you could have a 164 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: more thoughtful conversation. And I found myself being able to 165 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: do that more or less. And it always is embedded, 166 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: at least for me, coming from a place of understanding 167 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: that I'm talking to people who generally come by their 168 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: beliefs honestly, and I think that too many people suppose 169 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: that folks who they don't agree with don't actually believe 170 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 2: the things that they're saying, but most of the time 171 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: they do, and a lot of that is due to 172 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: circumstances how they grow up. Like I grew up here 173 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: in New York City, I have had a charmed life. 174 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 2: I know where my liberal politics come from and what 175 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: my lived experience has been, and going to work at 176 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: a place like Fox, I now have people in my 177 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: orbit who have a completely different set of backgrounds, who 178 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: when they talk about how they feel about the Second 179 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: Amendment that comes from a place of growing up with 180 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: guns and having hunters in their families, or when they 181 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 2: talk about, you know, probably the toughest issue that I 182 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: ever have to discuss on air being pro life or 183 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: bringing pro choice, especially in the wake of the Dobbs decision, 184 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: that a lot of people's beliefs on that is rooted 185 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 2: in their religiosity. Where I look at it as a 186 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: policy issue and a scientific issue, and they're telling. 187 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: Me about so a personal liberty issue, all of the. 188 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: Things that we think about it versus this is what 189 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: I was taught in Sunday School, This is what I 190 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: you know, I grew up in mesh in an environment 191 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: that feels really differently to that, so that has been enlightening. 192 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: But basically it was a good fit and Fox hired 193 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: me right after the twenty sixteen election, and so that 194 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: is just where I've been in and they've allowed me 195 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: to grow. Susanne Scott, who's the CEO of Fox, you know, 196 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: she promoted me eight months pregnant to get the hosting 197 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 2: job on the five, which is massive. And you know 198 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 2: what it's like, you're completely freaking out when you're with child, 199 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: let alone publicly with child like that, and will your 200 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 2: job be there for you? And They've been extremely nurturing 201 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 2: to me. And I think also putting such an outspoken 202 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: democrat on, I mean, we've been the top show in 203 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: cable news for years now, I think says something about 204 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: the kind of conversation that they want going on on 205 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: their airwaves. So yes, ah, it's still four on one 206 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: or three on one. Dana Prino is well, I. 207 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: Was I was going to say, it's it's that is 208 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: a real anomaly though in the Fox lineup. I mean, 209 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: let's be honest, you say that's the kind of show 210 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: and the conversations they want on their air but they 211 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: are really few and far between are they not, Well. 212 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: It's different there. A panel show is different than as 213 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: host show, right, but even the guests and even sort 214 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: of the no one's going to pretend that it's not 215 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 2: right leaning, especially in prime time. I think you could 216 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: have conversations about what Neil Cavuto does on his show, 217 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: what Brett Bair does on a show, what Shannon Breem 218 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: does on Fox News Sunday and Chris Wallace before her, 219 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: and know that some of the most productive conversations with 220 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 2: Democrats have actually occurred on those shows, and that actually, 221 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: you know, like Brett, for instance, on Special Report has 222 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 2: a segment called common Ground where he has on a 223 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: dem and a Republican and the most liberal senators are 224 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: dying again like Elizabeth Warren would want to come on 225 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: Fox to be able to do that. So there are 226 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: moments where I think actually the fact that it is 227 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: conservative leaning, you know, writ large, not necessarily those newscasters, 228 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 2: creates an environment that Democrats know that they want to 229 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 2: be a part of that. Because also a we have 230 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: the numbers like if you're watching cable news, you're watching 231 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: Fox most likely, and especially if you look at a 232 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: post election where MSNBC and Sana has dropped off, and. 233 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: Why do you think that they have just imploded. 234 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: I think it's two parted. I think when you lose, 235 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: you received right and you go into a hole. I mean, 236 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 2: I have tons of liberal friends that are like, I 237 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: just don't want to see the news right now, you know, 238 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: like wake me up once he's inaugurated or something big happened. 239 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: That's impossible. But you know, I don't know what Trump 240 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: two point zero actually looks like. But everyone I think 241 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: will get amped up again if they're you know, if 242 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 2: the deportation force starts, Joe and Mika's audience is coming back, 243 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 2: right like, they will want to be part of that. 244 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: But I think there's fatigue and I think there's a feeling. 245 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: And I get this from a lot of people that 246 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: I know in my orbit who kind of tune out 247 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: more conservative leaning media and really are part of the 248 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: liberal bubble that they weren't not told an honest story 249 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: about what was going on in this election, like poo 250 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: pooing polls and interviews with people who you wouldn't expect 251 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: to be leaning towards Trump or considering Trump, and being 252 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: fed a narrative that was not reflective of what happened 253 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 2: on November fifth, and I think it's really important as 254 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: a media person to have an honest relationship with your viewers. 255 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: I try to do it like I, you know, beating 256 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: that drum. I wanted people to know Joe Biden has 257 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: a ton of accomplishments and that he should be really 258 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: proud of and that when he stands there and he 259 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: talks about the good things that he's done for the country, 260 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: that that's an important element of this. But at the 261 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: same time to also say, this is a jump ball, right, 262 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: there's a tiny polling error in either direction, you're going 263 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: to have this result. And Nate Silver, who took a 264 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: lot of flak for this, you know, in his model, 265 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: the number one most likely outcome was what we saw 266 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: that Trump gets all seven battlegrounds, and then just below it, 267 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: do just a few percentage points, was that Kamala gets 268 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: all seven battlegrounds. 269 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: Right. 270 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: This was a run of the mill result. And I 271 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: think that people who have been on a steady dip 272 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: of left leaning media have a sense of betrayal in 273 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: all of this because they were told he's hitler. You know, 274 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: he's an authoritarian, We're going to get all of these 275 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: Republicans that you know, supported Nikki Haley in the primary, 276 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: but without really you know, getting into the fact that 277 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: most people do go home right when you look at 278 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: a full policy platform. It's very hard. I think of 279 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: it in contrast, like what would it take for me 280 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: to vote for a Republican? It take a lot. 281 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: Well, I guess the question is Donald Trump is claiming 282 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: a mandate, and as the ulster that I know that 283 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: the numbers just don't add up to a so called mandate. 284 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: What do your focks colleagues say when he repeatedly insists 285 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: that he has been given carte blanche to do whatever 286 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: he wants. 287 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: They think it's Listen, it's a problem with the electoral 288 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: college in the way that elections work in this country. 289 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: But it is a rarity that a Republican wins the 290 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: popular vote, right, you know, And he did do that 291 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: by a tiny amount. I think it's like one point 292 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: five percent now and it'll be I mean, it's certainly 293 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: the lowest performance since two thousand, but I think historically speaking, 294 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: it's like the combined with the electoral college and the 295 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: popular vote, like the third worst performance for a winning president. 296 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: That's not that exciting. Right, we're not talking about what 297 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: Obama did or like a Reigan I was to say 298 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: that president happened, right, Yeah, but it just in recent 299 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: memory for people who are handicapping this, But yeah, they 300 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: do feel like he has a mandate, he has the trifecta, 301 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: he has control of everything. But you know, if if 302 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: it was such a commanding win for the Trump agenda, 303 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: the cotails would have been larger, and Democrats I think 304 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: did really well in the Senate. I was sad to 305 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: see Bob Casey lose his race in Pennsylvania and a 306 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: little bit surprised by it, but you know, holding on 307 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: in Nevada, winning Arizona, Tammy bald went in Wisconsin, Elisa 308 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: Slockkin winning in Michigan, and on top of it, for 309 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: these candidates to have figured out a way to manage 310 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: the you know, I'll work with Donald Trump when I 311 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: need to. Tammy balbinz aarreed releasing ads. I was like, 312 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: this is what I did with Donald Trump when he 313 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: was in office. We can do that again. So I 314 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: always pushed back on it and not to diminish what 315 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: he pulled off because I think it is a dramatic feed, 316 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: especially because he took all these gen Z voters that 317 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: I didn't expect would go over in those kinds of numbers. 318 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 2: But I don't feel like he has some massive mandate. 319 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: And you know, Speaker Johnson is going to have to 320 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: talk to him about the hard truths. He has a 321 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: one seat majority. What are you supposed to. 322 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: Do with that? 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I want 330 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: to ask you about the fact that some left leaning 331 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: media talked about, you know, described him as hitler with Honestly, JD. 332 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: Vance did the same before he had an epiphany and 333 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: became a big fan of Donald Trump's and talked about 334 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: his authoritarian tendencies. And you were saying that as if 335 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: you were dismissing those claims. But I'm curious if you 336 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: do think Donald Trump has a authoritarian tendencies and were 337 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: people right to point that out. 338 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: Yes, I think your strongest defense is always using the 339 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 2: words of people who knew him. And so when you 340 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: have quotes from Mark Milly and John Kelly talking about this, 341 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 2: you amplify them. And I did on the five as well. 342 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: I read them, I write, I take copious notes, I 343 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: do a lot of prep. I read them out loud. 344 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: I said, this isn't about me. But the reason that 345 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: I think maybe you read what I was saying as 346 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 2: being dismissive, is that that argument only tells part of 347 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: the story of how people see Donald Trump, and that 348 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: this came down to an incumbency election and an inflation election, 349 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: which happened all over the world, and all the incumbents 350 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: got thrown out right, and that people were thinking about 351 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: their grocery costs and we're not following the trend line 352 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: as closely as we are. Right. They weren't, like you know, 353 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: Steve Rattner up there with all of his charts to say, 354 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 2: which I love. I live off of it. I mean, 355 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: I use all of this for my own data collection. 356 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: But they weren't tracking it like that. They just have 357 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: a memory of the past few years, not feeling that good. 358 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: They don't care if they bridge they're driving over to 359 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: get to the Kroger was the result of the infrastructure bill. 360 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: While they don't know is their groceries or thirty percent 361 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: higher than they were or. 362 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 2: They know both of those things, and you have to pick. 363 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: And for a lot of people this felt like a 364 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: political sophie's choice for them, they didn't like either. Whether 365 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: if Kamala had had more time they would have felt 366 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: more comfortable with her. I think she ran a very 367 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: good campaign for getting one hundred and seven days. I 368 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: was not someone that thought a year in advance that 369 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: Biden should have gotten out, But in retrospect, I think 370 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: that's probably the case that we should have had a primary, 371 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 2: and that there is a good chance that Kamala Harris 372 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 2: would have won that primary and she would have been 373 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: able to talk about her experience as vice president and 374 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: gone ahead. 375 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: But they had so much working against them, not only inflation, 376 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: but they have the border crisis, and she never really 377 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: could come up with a good explanation. No, And I've 378 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: said for the fact, which I think is honestly very legitimate, Jessica, 379 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: that there was a comprehensive immigration bill that took what 380 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: eight months for very conservative Republicans. 381 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: And Democrats Hamward and it's not an OLM Barter's guy. 382 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Donald Trump said do not vote on this 383 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: bill because he wanted to use it as a part 384 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: of his campaign strategy. 385 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump sucks, Like I totally agree with you. 386 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: But why didn't say he sucks. I just said he 387 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: wouldn't let them vote on the border. No. 388 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm saying he sucks. I believe that. I 389 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: think he's manipulative, he's underhanded, he's completely self interested. I 390 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: worry he will run the country exactly in that vein, 391 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 2: and I'm concerned about it. But on the immigration front, 392 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: there was a tendency amongst Democrats, and especially Democrats were 393 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 2: discussing the issue, so people who do interviews or are 394 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: part of the media to minimize it. Over the first 395 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: two and a half years, when there were a lot 396 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: of people coming in here, and I thought that it 397 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: was a stunt. You know, when they started bussing migrants, 398 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: they scored a Mars vendors. Yeah, it was the smartest 399 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: thing they ever did. 400 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: Well. It's interesting because I have a friend who lives 401 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: in Florida, and I said what did you think of 402 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott taking some of these immigrants 403 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: and moving them to Northern States, And she said, I 404 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: thought it was great because nobody really was paying attention 405 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: before that. And I do think that this untold story 406 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: was the strain on social services and communities, particularly along 407 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: the border, this influx, huge influx of immigrants was having 408 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: and I think the mainstream media, however you define that 409 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: these days, kind of ignored that story to its peril. 410 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: Not only but you could make a good argument that 411 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: they were protecting Biden from this that it was like, 412 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 2: I would rather talk about how we're inflation is coming 413 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: down faster here than it is for anyone else in 414 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: the G seven and all of these very good things 415 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: that were actually happening, then deal with the crisis, which 416 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 2: is an everyday horror show like Eagle Past. Texas cannot 417 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: take ten thousand people a day, and it's wrong for 418 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: us to ask them to do it, and Democrats like 419 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: Mark Kelly, Henry Quayar screaming about it, and it led 420 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 2: to a point where some of these border state democrats 421 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: didn't want to be linked with the administration on this 422 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: because they knew that it was being so poorly handled 423 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: and that we didn't have a good solution. And I 424 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: agree with you that comprehensive bill which James Langford wrote. 425 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: It is one of the more with Chris Murphy, but 426 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 2: James Langford is one of the more conservative people well 427 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: in the Senate in a genuine way. This isn't fake 428 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: right conservative populism. This is the real deal. But that 429 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: still came three and a half years after this crisis 430 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 2: really amped up. And the speed at which we've been 431 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: able to cut down on border crossings, like because of 432 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 2: the executive orders, and President Shinbaum of Mexico was touting 433 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: this in her letter back to Donald Trump when he 434 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: threatened the twenty five percent tariff on her, where he 435 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: said border crossings down seventy five percent because of the 436 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: work that we're doing in conjunction with the Biden administration. 437 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: That's all well and good, but to the average voter, 438 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: they're thinking, well, why didn't you do this before? If 439 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 2: it was an executive order and you didn't actually need 440 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: congressional approval to do it, why didn't you start with that? 441 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: Right? 442 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: The second Title forty two was lifted. 443 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: Right, and their answer to every question about immigration was well, well, 444 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: early in the administration they had a bill and they 445 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: couldn't get any to do anything about it. 446 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: We didn't think it was a big enough deal. Yeah, 447 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: that's the thing. And you're totally right about the social services. 448 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 2: And I've spoken to a number of people who not 449 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: only you know, have the daily experience that I do. 450 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: I take the subway in and out of work every day, 451 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: and probably one of the only people on camera that 452 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: does that. And so I know what the subway is 453 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: like now, and I grew up here in the city, 454 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: and I know what the difference is between that experience. 455 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: But when classrooms are filling up with kids who don't 456 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: speak English, and you have community centers like all over 457 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 2: you know, big cities like Boston, community centers that are 458 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: built for underserved kids who need somewhere to go after school, 459 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: and they're being closed down to be turned into migrant shelters, 460 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: and you. 461 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: Have hospitals that are overwhelmed, you know. And I think 462 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: I even talked to Mark Thompson at one point and said, 463 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: why aren't you covering this? And I thought it was interesting. 464 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: I also told him that I thought during the elee 465 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: they should have bureaus all across the country in smaller 466 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: towns and rural communities, so they could actually and I 467 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: know that John what's John's last name? Who the white 468 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: hair guy who does the map, John King, who I 469 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: really like. Sorry, John, I forgot your name for a second. 470 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: I know he went out and talked to real people, 471 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: but I feel like they could have been much more 472 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: embedded in real communities talking to people about, you know, 473 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: all kinds of issues that I think surfaced during this election. 474 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: You know, so it was largely an immigration and inflation election, 475 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: But I'm curious if you think sexism also played a 476 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: role in it. Because I went to a doctor and 477 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: I said, gosh, I think Donald Trump may win this election. 478 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: She said, well, we have two terrible choices. She just 479 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: doesn't have the stature to deal with world leaders. And 480 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: I thought, wow, that was a female doctor. Yeah, and 481 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: I'm curious if you think that sexism is still an 482 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: albatross around the neck of many of these female candidates, 483 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to the highest office in the land. 484 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely do. I think that there are considerations 485 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: that go into the life of a professional woman on 486 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: any level that men never think about. Like it was 487 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: very cute when Doug M Hoff at the DNC said, 488 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: you know, I like her laugh, but we don't care 489 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 2: about men's laughs, right, and we rarely notice what they're wearing. Right. 490 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: And I know everything. I know every pantsuit that Hillary wore, 491 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: you know, and I know about all of Kamala's fashion 492 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: choices and all of it. 493 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: Y made I think an intentional decision to be even 494 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: though they were beautiful Chloe suits, apparently to be as 495 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 1: nondescript as possibly very understated. Right. 496 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sure you remember when Trump went 497 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 2: after Nikki Haley saying her dress was ugly. You know, 498 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: Nikki Haley purposely leaned into her femininity in a way 499 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: the Democratic candidates don't typically. I think the only skirt 500 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 2: Kamala one was when she went to Sunday Church, or 501 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: when she went to Sunday Church, which is what to 502 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: a Black church, which is what you're supposed to do. 503 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: I am told. 504 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: So. 505 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: I think it is part of it, just in what 506 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 2: people take in about the aesthetics. But if we're being 507 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: honest and they see no reason not to be, you know, 508 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 2: the first couple of years of the Biden administration, I 509 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: don't think she performed that well in public arenas, and 510 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: that people had that as their perception of her. There 511 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: was this moment she was sent to the Munich Security Conference, 512 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: probably about two years ago, a year and a half, 513 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: two years ago, and she gave I think one of 514 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: the best defenses of natter support of Zelenski and the 515 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: Ukrainian people, of Western values, democracy and going after totalitarians 516 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: like Putin, and she got praise across the political spectrum 517 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: for it. One of those moments where the five is not, 518 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: you know, right, not adversarial, where even Janine is like, 519 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: that was a good speech, That's what we're about here, 520 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: and that moment and ensuing moments where I think she 521 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: did well. I think especially in talking about the Dabbs 522 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: decision and the implications of that, she did a great job. 523 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: But those moments came too late, and I don't know 524 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: the inner workings of whether she was not amplified on 525 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 2: purpose so that it was really Biden's administration or I agree. 526 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent. I don't think 527 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: she was. She was not nurtured, and I don't think 528 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: she was was showcased in any way. And part of 529 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: it I wondered if Joe Biden's discomfort and being in 530 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: spontane TuS media situations. They didn't want to then prop 531 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: her up for fear that she would overshadow him. 532 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: That's interesting. I actually hadn't heard that you can use that. 533 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: I'm taking you I'm gonna be like my pal Katie 534 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: told me this. 535 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: I think you know, That's what I wondered. Well. 536 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: Also, once as this autopsy is being written about what happened, 537 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: and you realize just how small Biden's circle is, smaller 538 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: than even presidents that have small circles like we're talking about, 539 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: you know, Mike Donald and say Anita done and Anita done, 540 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: Jill and Hunter. Essentially, are you know, making all of 541 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: these decisions like dropping out of the race, pardoning Hunter? 542 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: We don't know. I mean, it could be one person's feeling. 543 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: That will be interesting to find average to it. 544 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fascinated by it. And there's, you know, part 545 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: of me who feels as someone who was very defensive 546 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: of the administration, not just for patty political reasons, but 547 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: because I genuinely believed in what we were doing and 548 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: things that we've created a recovery that's unprecedented. 549 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: Why do you think Biden gets so little credit for 550 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: the things he has achieved. Is it all about, you know, 551 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: the aesthetics of his ability to communicate, to use the 552 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: bully pulpit properly, because I think with I saw someone 553 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: reeling against the part and saying this, will you know this? 554 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it was James Carville that he's going to be 555 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: the have the lowest approval rating of any president in 556 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: history and it Do you think it's a communications problem? 557 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: Do you think it's a perception problem. Do you think 558 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: there are things that are actually you know, legitimate to criticize? 559 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think is keeping him from 560 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: from getting credit for anything? Really? 561 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 2: I think that he proved himself to not be as 562 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: much of the empathizer in chief as we thought that 563 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: he was. Like in the twenty twenty primary, I thought 564 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: he did that really really well, where people thought, this 565 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: is a guy who's on our side, this is a 566 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: guy who hasn't jumped the shark. He's not saying, you know, 567 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: health insurance for everyone who's here undocumented, we should have 568 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: open borders. 569 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: You know. 570 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: He seemed like the common sense right candidate him and 571 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: like Amy klobashar right, who I love and can't get 572 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 2: out of a primary, but would be an amazing president 573 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: for sure. And it is a communications problem. I think 574 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: he wasn't able to toe the line of being able 575 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: to speak highly of what they were doing and to 576 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 2: also say, I know it's not enough right now, I 577 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: know what your life looks like. 578 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: Right He couldn't really feel their pain like Bill Clinton did. 579 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: No well, and I wonder why no, because I think 580 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: he genuinely does. I think he's an incredibly rithetic. 581 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 2: Frankly about being destroyed on conservative media constantly and his 582 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: accomplishments being belittled and people talking down about him. I mean, 583 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: this guy is run for president three times. He obviously 584 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: believes that he should be there and that he has 585 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 2: earned a level of respect that he did not feel 586 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 2: that he was getting for being able to do these things, 587 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: for being able to work with conservatives when he needed 588 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: to to, you know, make sure that we have investments 589 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: like the Chips and Science Act. What happened. It was 590 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 2: a skinny version of the bill, but the Inflation Reduction Act, 591 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: which a lot of people still mistakenly say was what 592 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 2: spiked inflation, and that's absolutely not true. 593 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, I've read enough stuff that's that at 594 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: least it might have contributed. I'm no economist, Jessica, but 595 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, an influx of that much money, there are 596 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: some that argue that really wasn't helpful to the economy 597 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,479 Speaker 1: met but again, an economists. 598 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: Justin Wolfers, who worked in the Bomba administration and is 599 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 2: a great liberal economist. What I'm saying is that when 600 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: you look at where the inflation numbers are now, there 601 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 2: was a temporary pain that was unsustainable for people, but 602 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: they were looking at it on a long curve and 603 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 2: it seems to have come back down to a palatable level. 604 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 2: But people went and voted feeling like inflation was fifteen 605 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: percent and not that it was two or three. 606 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: If you want to get smarter every morning with a 607 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: breakdown of the news and fascinating takes on health and 608 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: wellness and pop culture, sign up for our daily newsletter, 609 00:34:47,640 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: Wake Up Call by going to Katiecuric dot com. Do 610 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: you think historically that Joe Biden will be considered a 611 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: better president than he's believed to be at this moment 612 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: in time? 613 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 2: For his sake, I think, unfortunately, the decisions that he 614 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: made around what to do in terms of running and 615 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: kind of more social you know, like the Hunter pardon 616 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: or and whatever is to come. I think if he 617 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: goes around blanket pardoning anyone involved with the January sixth 618 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 2: Committee or things like that, it'll get even worse. 619 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: For sort of those preemptive parties. But I don't know. 620 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: Listen but for you, listen to that interview on Meet 621 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: the Press with Donald Trump basically saying Liz Cheney deserves 622 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: to be in prison any top sale I mean, I. 623 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 2: Mean Cashpitel has an enemy's list that he published in 624 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 2: his book, So why would that be so bad to 625 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 2: But what are you partning them for? 626 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think that a lot of people don't want 627 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: him to pardon them because it's an admission they did 628 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: something wrong when they were actually just holding people. 629 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 2: Aunt has even said, don't yeah, s that's a terrible 630 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 2: press and for what we weren't on the wrong side 631 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 2: of the law. And I'm glad that he has faith 632 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 2: in the system that it'll protect them. I'm not so 633 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 2: sure if you get through all of these confirmations. And 634 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 2: Pam Bondi is obviously better than Matt Gates, but she will. 635 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: Say not that much she is. I don't think he's 636 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: like sexually assaulted underage girls. But as far as we know, 637 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: she did not do that. 638 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 2: But no, she you know, she was on the election 639 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: denihilism tour with a lot of these lawyers and was out. 640 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 2: I think she gave a press conference in Philadelphia talking about, 641 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 2: you know, all the stolen votes and all of that, 642 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 2: and none of that is good. But you have to 643 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 2: reassess your standards, I think for what he's doing, with 644 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: a few exceptions in terms of foreign policy, I am 645 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: very happy. 646 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of people are. 647 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: I think I'm friends with Mike Walt, who's going to 648 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 2: be the National Security Advisor. 649 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: I think people think he's fine. I think they think 650 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: Rubio is fine. It's these other people, like Fox's own 651 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: Pete Hegseeth And I'm curious how you feel that Fox 652 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: pretty much ignores the story. They invite his mother on 653 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 1: Fox and Friends. But when it comes to all these 654 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: allegations that are pretty serious, honestly, from I mean from 655 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: drinking to sexually assaulting women, to driving an organization into 656 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: the ground, to all kinds of things, Fox kind of 657 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: ignores them. 658 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 2: Well, I don't. I mean, at least in the last 659 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 2: few days, every time that I look up at a 660 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 2: screen when I'm in the makeup chair, Pete is on 661 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 2: it and there's a gaggle around him and they're covering it. 662 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 2: I think the first mention was Chad Program, who's a 663 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 2: great reporter of ours, and it was on Brettbaer's show, 664 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 2: The Straight News Show, and it was mentioned there. And 665 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 2: there has been ensuing coverage. 666 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, I do and I don't. 667 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: It's ongoing. I you're not running Fox shows. I'm not 668 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: asking you to defend defend the editorial decisions. But it 669 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: just does seem weird to me. I take your point. 670 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: I I no, he loosely, you know, have been on 671 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: with him. He's always been very pleasant to me. I 672 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: think the alleysians are serious, and you see people like 673 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: Joni Ernst who's obviously taking them seriously. And I think 674 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: now she's kind of switched and said that she had 675 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: a I'm paraphrasing, you know, a great conversations. He continues 676 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: to support his nomination. 677 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 2: I think that's saying that someone should get to go 678 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 2: before the committee isn't the same thing as saying this 679 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 2: is okay. And there is a very strong argument to 680 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 2: be made that a president who certainly in the mind 681 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 2: of Republicans, has a big mandate, should get to have 682 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 2: his nominees come through, like someone like Tom Cotton released 683 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 2: a statement saying, I expect that they will get their 684 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 2: hearings and that they will get confirmed. And he's one 685 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 2: who's a complete neo KHN like normal hawk right, like 686 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 2: a Mitch McConnell, but younger. And he's even saying that, 687 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 2: And I think. 688 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: That I think we haven't really heard from Susan Collins 689 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: or Lisa Murkowski and they only need write one Republican 690 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: No they need. 691 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 2: They'll need how many three? So because Jadie Vance will 692 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 2: be you can vote? So yeah, would I love it 693 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 2: if Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski just stood up and 694 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 2: said no to seventy five percent or whatever. 695 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 696 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 2: I think there are there are different threat levels that 697 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 2: each of them are posing. And I hate that someone 698 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 2: who I think is as dangerous as like an RFK 699 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 2: Junior getting as the head of HHS is now like 700 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: a shrug to people because they feel a guy have 701 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 2: bigger fish to fry here, like right, Tulca Gabbert is interesting. 702 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: I know that you said something about Tulsea Cabbard. You 703 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: said that I guess what did you say about her? 704 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: That she was sort of your hair on fire? Pick? Oh, 705 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: top anxiety pick yeah. 706 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 2: Peak anxiousness about Telsea Gabbard. You know, it's been interesting 707 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: because I feel like she hasn't gotten a lot of intention. 708 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 2: But then there was a story that came out yesterday 709 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 2: about the meetings that she's been having with senators and 710 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 2: that apparently it's not going well. So if it's just 711 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 2: undercovered and she ends up being not confirmed, fine by me. 712 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 2: I don't need to hear about it all the time. 713 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 2: But you know, watching the scenes out of Syria the 714 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 2: past few days and thinking back to her defense of Assad, 715 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 2: which is the original I think that might be part 716 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 2: of that was probably from my podcast. But I spoke 717 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 2: about her on The Five a couple of years ago 718 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 2: and I said, I am not in the business of 719 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 2: accusing someone of being a Russian asset. That is very serious, 720 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 2: and it got us in a whole host of trouble 721 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen about Trump, and you know that backfired. 722 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 2: But they like her too much, and they talk about 723 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,280 Speaker 2: her on Russian state TV, and I think a commentator 724 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 2: and even said recently like she's the only good one 725 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 2: left in this, you know, the only one that guess us, 726 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 2: because Marco Rubio doesn't feel that way about Putin or 727 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 2: Asad and Mike Waltz certainly doesn't. So Tolci is very 728 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 2: concerning to me. But I don't know, Like Bernie Sanders 729 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,760 Speaker 2: has said that he might support her and RFK Junior, 730 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 2: which seems like a complete betrayal of a lot of 731 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 2: his beliefs or what I thought that they were. But 732 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 2: I don't know. I believe more in Lisa Murkowski than 733 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,760 Speaker 2: I do Susan Collins. You know, she's always deeply disturbed 734 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 2: by things, and then you know, votes for them. So 735 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 2: it's going to be a mess. It's gonna be good 736 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 2: TV programming. 737 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: Though, definitely, definitely. We're almost out of time. But I 738 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you just a couple of questions in 739 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: closing one. You know, there's so much handwringing and introspection 740 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: about what the Democratic Party needs to do now, and 741 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: Chris Murphy, who I'm interviewing this afternoon, I think they said, yeah, 742 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: that they need to be more populist and come up 743 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: with really a different strategy. I mean, as somebody who's 744 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: been steeped in democratic politics, for a long time. What 745 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: advice would you give the party. 746 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to do it if you're not naturally 747 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 2: prone to be able to but speaking like a normal 748 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 2: human is a good one. And rewiring. I mean, I've 749 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,879 Speaker 2: heard a lot of people and there's a huge rise 750 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 2: in the number of folks who identify with a third party, right, 751 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 2: who are just like I'm an independent, And then it's 752 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 2: usually an issue like being pro choice or something that 753 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 2: sways you in one direction or the other. But I 754 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 2: would love it if we could kind of strip the 755 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 2: title Democratic Party off of it and just common sense party. 756 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 2: What does your heart tell you about X policy or 757 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 2: exposition that you might be taking? And I think that 758 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 2: that would serve us a lot better. We certainly wouldn't 759 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 2: have gotten into this mess with you know. The ad 760 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 2: that had the most impact on the election was the 761 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 2: They Them You ad with Charlemagne in it, and it 762 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 2: was an ad about trans issues, but it was mostly 763 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 2: an economic ad, right. It was basically saying, the Democratic 764 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 2: Party is taking your cash and putting it towards something outlandish, right, 765 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 2: that no one thinks about, that affects one person every 766 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 2: five years, maybe, right, the sex changes for undocumented people 767 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,240 Speaker 2: in jail. That is the smallest subcategory you could probably 768 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 2: ever come up with. 769 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: And I think that's interesting, But you think it really 770 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: translated to a feeling of being economically ripped off by government. 771 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 2: This is where your dollars are going. They do it 772 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 2: about migrants, they do it about foreign policy. That's how 773 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 2: they've turned people against the idea of giving money to 774 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 2: your brain and in some cases to Israel. I mean, 775 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 2: Jade Vance even voted against the Israel funding package, which 776 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 2: I know he's on board now that you know there's 777 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 2: a new sheriff in town, and he's part of that 778 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 2: ticket obviously. But I think if you just let yourself 779 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 2: be governed by your gut more than your party affiliation, 780 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 2: that we would do better. Because a lot of these 781 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 2: people who were interviewed, and I'm sure you saw some 782 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 2: of these interviews as well, like the former Democrat who 783 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 2: is a prison guard who was interviewed about why he 784 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 2: had voted Hillary Biden Trump, and he said, the Democratic 785 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 2: Party doesn't like people like me. Or the woman who 786 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 2: was in a focus group who said, they've asked, you know, 787 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,760 Speaker 2: what words would you use to describe the two parties? 788 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 2: And she said the GOP was crazy and the Democratic 789 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 2: Party was preachy, and she said, preachy doesn't work for me. 790 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 2: I can handle a lunatic, then I can handle a 791 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 2: party that makes me feel bad about myself. Right, And 792 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 2: we made a lot of people feel bad about themselves. 793 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. I got to know someone who's covering the Trump 794 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: campaign and she said, I said, what is you know, 795 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: you go to a lot of these rallies. What do 796 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: you think is really motivating? And she said the lefty 797 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: lecture culture. 798 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, which frankly is me. I mean a lot of 799 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 2: the criticism that I get from the right, and you know, 800 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 2: I think now I'm just part of the ecosystem and 801 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 2: they've come to accept me. But you know, I have 802 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 2: a PhD. I wears you went to the school shuring 803 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 2: you about your your I went to Brent Maar, grew 804 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 2: up in New York City, went to private school, all 805 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,880 Speaker 2: of it like limousine liberal to the max. And I 806 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 2: sit up there and sometimes go off for you know, 807 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 2: a full minute at a time about Biden's accomplishments. I 808 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 2: did it just yesterday. I said, you know, we were 809 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 2: talking about what his legacy would be, and my colleague, 810 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 2: we're crapping on him, and I said, you know what, 811 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,439 Speaker 2: his legacy is the best recovery in the G seven. 812 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 2: That's what his legacy is. And what did they say 813 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 2: to that? Jesse was like, we're moving on. You know, 814 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 2: I take all of those as a w when they 815 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 2: just say moving on. But I would like to be 816 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,760 Speaker 2: more common sense about things. I would like to speak 817 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 2: in plainer language. 818 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: Well, I know you do a podcast with Scott Galloway 819 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: called Regene Moderates, and there was a time when being 820 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: a moderate was so out of fashion. Yeah, and I 821 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,760 Speaker 1: wonder if you think, as a result of this election 822 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: that suddenly we're going to say, maybe it's not so 823 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: bad to be moderate. But how do you fight sort 824 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: of extreme conservativism, which it has been pulled over to 825 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: the right with moderation because it seems like the whole 826 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: idea is to get people all worked up right, and 827 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: moderation isn't very sexy. Jessica, No, but I think that 828 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: if the number one thing that people took away from 829 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: Kamala's campaign, which was she's too left for me, And 830 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: part of that was they did a great job at 831 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: amplifying clips from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty and that 832 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: Kamala didn't want to deal with them, right, and she 833 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: net down and say like she never really answered that 834 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: those questions very well. Well. 835 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 2: Obviously the view question from Sunny Houston that was the 836 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 2: nuclear explosion, like how are you different from Biden? And 837 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 2: I saw you speaking about it where you're like, how 838 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 2: do you want to have an answer to that? 839 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: Right? 840 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 2: And Biden doesn't seem to me to be someone who 841 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 2: would be aggravated if you said, respectfully, we did a 842 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 2: lot of great things, but this is what a Kamala 843 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 2: Harris presidency does. 844 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: Definitely, we don't know, we don't know how. No, but 845 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: he would have responded to that. 846 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 2: But what's he going to do to her? 847 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:50,919 Speaker 1: Yeah? 848 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I agree. 849 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,320 Speaker 1: I think she went too out of her way not 850 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: to hurt his feelings. 851 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 2: And we also have to think about not only winning 852 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 2: back the working class voters, but there are moderate Republicans 853 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 2: and centrists that do not want to go home to 854 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 2: the Republican Party. Even if the top of the ticket 855 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight, it shouldn't be Donald Trump. God 856 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 2: knows what he'll do, but let's say it's some JD 857 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,320 Speaker 2: Vance or other. They want to be part of a 858 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 2: pro democracy party, and we are that, and we have 859 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,400 Speaker 2: to be reasonable to be able to integrate them and 860 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 2: make it easy for the liz Cheneys of the world 861 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 2: to want to be part of us, not just when 862 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 2: there's someone with you know, authoritarian tendencies. I think to 863 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 2: be you know, fair about it at the top of 864 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 2: the ticket, but when they're running a normal Republican to 865 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 2: just say, actually, what the Democrats are selling resonates with me, 866 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 2: and they're better for the economy, and they respect people's 867 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 2: personal liberties and they're not insane. 868 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: You know. It seems to me that you are a 869 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,800 Speaker 1: role model for people on how to get out of 870 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: their bubbles, how to have conversations with people respectfully, with compassion. 871 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 2: I'm writing a book about it. 872 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: Well you should because and I'd love to saying. 873 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,399 Speaker 2: Your copy it will be down the line. It takes 874 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 2: a lotting a book. I did not know about the 875 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 2: schedules of these things. 876 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: Yes it does. I can test to that. But I 877 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,879 Speaker 1: really think that you would have a lot to say 878 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:30,440 Speaker 1: about respecting people, having conversations, meeting people where they are, 879 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: and not ending with a food fight at the holiday 880 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 1: dinner table, because I think we really need that if 881 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: we're going to solve some of the thorniest issues that 882 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: are facing our country. 883 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope so. And I appreciate the compliment. Thank you. 884 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,359 Speaker 2: I take it really seriously. And I know that also 885 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 2: for a lot of people around this country, I'm the 886 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,400 Speaker 2: only Democrat that they might know in their lives, right 887 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 2: because there are people that are siloed, and I think 888 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 2: it's so important to represent the values of this party 889 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,600 Speaker 2: that I care deeply about in a sane and approachable 890 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,839 Speaker 2: way where you know, they can't write me off as 891 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,879 Speaker 2: someone that's lost their mind or someone who can't say 892 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 2: something that's obvious. And obviously I have my moments, you know, 893 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,320 Speaker 2: where I am over my skis as far as they're concerned. 894 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 2: But generally speaking, I think if you you know, had 895 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 2: my colleagues on, they would all say, I'm just like 896 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 2: a pretty moderate rational Democrat. 897 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: Do all ever like have dinner, go out for drinks? 898 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 2: So well, the it's I go out with Jesse Waters's 899 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:42,759 Speaker 2: wife on my own, you know, Janine. I've recycled the 900 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,479 Speaker 2: story now, but like Janine who has a grandson around 901 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 2: the same age as my oldest who turns three today, 902 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,800 Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Cleo. Got me baby formula when there was 903 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 2: no baby formula. I don't she knew a guy. I 904 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,800 Speaker 2: don't ask questions when Janine says I know somebody I 905 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 2: can get you that. But like, there it is. It 906 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,759 Speaker 2: is genuinely the messed up family that you see on TV. 907 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,400 Speaker 2: And I really appreciate that and the opportunity to get 908 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,439 Speaker 2: to talk. I talked to four point three million people 909 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 2: a day about what Democrats are doing right or what 910 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 2: frankly translating the perception that they've gotten through people who 911 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 2: are not being honest brokers with them, or a communication 912 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 2: system for the party that I think really failed, you know, 913 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 2: and I hate having to start a sentence with like 914 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,399 Speaker 2: I would have said it this way. You know, I'm 915 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,360 Speaker 2: not auditioning to be press secretary or anything like that, 916 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,800 Speaker 2: but you know, you know what that's like where you're like, 917 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,279 Speaker 2: that's actually not helpful. It's not helpful, and it's not 918 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,879 Speaker 2: the truth. It's not what the policy actually does, it's 919 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,319 Speaker 2: not what happened at X event. 920 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, definitely, Well I could talk to you 921 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: for hours. Yeah, but thank you so much for being 922 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: on this podcast. Thank you for what you do every 923 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,320 Speaker 1: other day. I guess on follow me a week and 924 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,399 Speaker 1: I feel like you should probably have your own show 925 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: where you talk one on one which shy call Suzanne Scott. 926 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:07,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 927 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,200 Speaker 1: Great? Do I get to get percent? 928 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 2: I mean, see is going to fight you for it? 929 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 2: But yeah, great work. Be with you. 930 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jessica. 931 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:17,839 Speaker 2: This is great. 932 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening everyone. If you have a question for me, 933 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 1: a subject you want us to cover, or you want 934 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,479 Speaker 1: to share your thoughts about how you navigate this crazy world, 935 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,120 Speaker 1: reach out send me a DM on Instagram. I would 936 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Next Question is a production 937 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: of iHeartMedia and Katie Kuric Media. 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