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Speaker 1: Hey, here we are episode three forty with Billy Ray Cyrus.

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Speaker 1: So he's got a new song out and I'll play

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Speaker 1: it for you in a second. But we talked about

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Speaker 1: all of it. His early life, he worked working at

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Speaker 1: a bar, it burned down, why he went to l A,

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Speaker 1: why it came to Nashville. I mean, it's a whole story.

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Speaker 1: Some of it I knew roughly, but I mean I

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Speaker 1: learned a lot about Billy Ray. And he brought his

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Speaker 1: guitar and I was feeling bad for a sec because

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Speaker 1: he was just sitting with it, and then I realized

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Speaker 1: he wants to play some stuff as he told stories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was cool. Yeah, it was really cool. I

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Speaker 1: really like Billy Ray. And so he came over to

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Speaker 1: the house after the interview was over. He was wearing

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Speaker 1: like this jacket and I saw the brand on it

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Speaker 1: and I was like, dang, okay very and he's like

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Speaker 1: and I told him how to say the name of

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Speaker 1: the brand and he's like, oh, that's how you say.

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Speaker 1: It was like, well, why do you have that expensive

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Speaker 1: jacket if you did not say the name of the brand.

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Speaker 1: He's like, oh no, I gave me that is that.

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Speaker 1: It was cool, So his daughter gave it to him

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Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I look at that. But

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Speaker 1: we just had a good time. I mean, Billy Rays

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Speaker 1: the man, we do talk about it all. It's funny

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Speaker 1: too about how Achy breaking Heart got its name because

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Speaker 1: that wasn't the name of the song because he's a

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Speaker 1: different song. It was called Don't Tell My Heart, But

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Speaker 1: how Ach You Breaking Heart was called that. He talks

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Speaker 1: about that. We talked about you know, Snoop Dogg a lot.

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Speaker 1: But here you go, before we get to the interview,

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Speaker 1: here is a hard working man, Billy Ray Cyrus, Snoop

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Speaker 1: Dogg and the Avila Brothers. So you gotta time to

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Speaker 1: get you. You gotta be made. You see, so new

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Speaker 1: songs out today. We'll talk about the song, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about his life. Here you go, Billy Ray Cyrus. It's

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Speaker 1: a Bobby cast. It was super cool to do. I

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Speaker 1: was listening to your song. I guess a couple of

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Speaker 1: days ago they sent me like the that's not really

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Speaker 1: a peak was not a sneak peak, but that the

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Speaker 1: early version of it and it said Billy Ray and

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Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg and who else on it? The brothers. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was like, well this will be an interesting listen.

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Speaker 1: I like how like like it's about hard, like how grimy.

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Speaker 1: It feels like hard working, like that's the texture of it.

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Speaker 1: Felt like what you were saying in the song. And

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Speaker 1: so I really thought it was cool. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: what to expect. How did how in the world did

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Speaker 1: pretty special, you know. And and it started with the

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Speaker 1: fact that I come from the Ohio River Valley and

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Speaker 1: steel mills, working people, and said they Snoop Dogg wanted

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Speaker 1: to do a song for the working man. And when

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Speaker 1: I first heard it, it was a little different connotation

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Speaker 1: working stuff. And I said, it's having the man. It

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Speaker 1: is a working man, but without the woman, the man

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Speaker 1: ain't nothing. We all, oh, if mama ain't happen to

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Speaker 1: nobody's happy, and we get this has to actually be

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Speaker 1: a tip of the hat to mama. And also let's

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Speaker 1: put some positive food in there for the kids. Elbow

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Speaker 1: Grease Snoop sings about elbow Grease. Well, we all know that,

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Speaker 1: you know, hard work is is the key to everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've never had anything in life that was

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Speaker 1: What's gonna take some work. And that's what the song

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Speaker 1: tipping the hat to all the people, men and women

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Speaker 1: that make this world go around. It's a hard working

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Speaker 1: you know, hard work of man, hard working woman, and

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Speaker 1: keep mama happy. Whenever they because you say you were

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Speaker 1: Got it. Yeah, it was a little it was kind

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Speaker 1: make it something more than that. Let's let's really and

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Speaker 1: and again. This this started over a year ago and

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Speaker 1: it was the title and just this thought of a

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Speaker 1: I felt like work was being done, Work was being done,

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Speaker 1: here for the kids and the people that have a dream.

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Speaker 1: Let's put make this song about something this moment. And

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Speaker 1: we all know that the frontline workers, the truck drivers,

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Speaker 1: And we're all going through this list. So that was

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Speaker 1: over a year and a couple of months ago when

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Speaker 1: i'm I came up with a bit of the you

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Speaker 1: gotta go back to what Mama said. Mama said, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna take some elbow grease and Mama. It's the whole

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Speaker 1: world revolves around mama. Speaking of mama, your wedding ring.

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Speaker 1: Is that tattoo so you don't so you don't have

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Speaker 1: to remember to wear one? Or is it a hang

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Speaker 1: on your guitar? Like? What's the The practical reason is

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Speaker 1: that it does get Uh, it's hard to wear any jewelry, though,

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Speaker 1: I will strap it on. When you see the video,

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Speaker 1: he said, got quite a bit of bling on. I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: what man, I'm doing this with snoop. But I started

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Speaker 1: finding anything shining. I started wearing it like I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure hanging forks on your neck, anything that would

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Speaker 1: have any reflection at all, you put it on. Put

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Speaker 1: it on. You'll sit in a video when you did

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Speaker 1: how long I go? Did you do the ring on

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Speaker 1: your finger? Long time ago? And was that your idea

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Speaker 1: or your wife's idea? I really don't remember. But I

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Speaker 1: I fiddle with it, and then I have a formal

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Speaker 1: I like, I'm a big nerd like it fits your

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Speaker 1: really bothered me when I played to have a ring on,

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Speaker 1: especially on his hand, and it was always getting caught

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Speaker 1: on the strings. And yes, it worked out pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Are you still playing a lot of shows? Gosh, she's

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Speaker 1: been so long. I played a couple. I would call

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Speaker 1: the last two years, UM were either canceled or moved

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Speaker 1: after coming out of twenty nineteen, I was going to

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Speaker 1: here all these years later, and obviously Old Town Road

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Speaker 1: and the youth of the music. The shows were so

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Speaker 1: a lot of huge festivals and great crowds, and then

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Speaker 1: like everybody, UM pretty much. You know, I came out

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Speaker 1: and it's been like a pretty dark couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Are you still in shape to perform, meaning I did

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Speaker 1: some stand up at an hour stand up at an

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Speaker 1: in my voice wasn't quite just I wasn't in shape

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Speaker 1: Or is it stamon? You have to build up. I

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Speaker 1: We've got one coming up and it's probably gonna be

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Speaker 1: during this and stuff that's really even this song, Uh,

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Speaker 1: been a hell of a storm. I'm curious I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: ask you in just second about your like your Nashville,

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Speaker 1: your genesis story of you coming to town. You have

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Speaker 1: your guitar with you right now always because you're left handed.

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Speaker 1: Where's yours? I have actually have one of yours that

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Speaker 1: I keep in a very special place that I'm so

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Speaker 1: it sits for people to look at other than that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I see, I had this vision. I'm just playing. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want that. I don't ever get to play with

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Speaker 1: even into I want to pick now good and I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna play. But I'm gonna dumb. My songs are

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Speaker 1: so I'm playing. Okay, there you go, seek Pope comes

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Speaker 1: in handy you ape with there. So when I write songs.

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Speaker 1: There are songs about my life, but in a different way.

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Speaker 1: You know. Whenever I was growing up as a kid,

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, when I get a job, I'm

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Speaker 1: get a uniform, I'm gonna get girls because I never

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Speaker 1: got girls. And I'm assuming a lot of the music

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Speaker 1: that you did was early on to fill your creative cup,

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Speaker 1: but also have girls like you. Right, It seemed kind

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Speaker 1: of great part of it being in a band. But

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Speaker 1: every you know, everybody wants to be the Beatles when

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Speaker 1: you start a band. I started working a hobby lobby

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Speaker 1: for the same reason so girls would like me. And

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Speaker 1: I know you're laughing because you think hobby lobby no girls,

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Speaker 1: and you'd be correct, Billy, there are no girls that

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Speaker 1: like a guy at hobby lobby. Then they gave me

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Speaker 1: my name tag and it said hobby Lobby Bobby. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And then it was my name is hobby Lobby Bobby.

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Speaker 1: If you like arts and crafts, just call me. I

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Speaker 1: can see. So. So that's also that this is not

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Speaker 1: for me. No one wants to hear me sing. You

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Speaker 1: kind of wrote a hard working man, only the hobby

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Speaker 1: lobby version. All right, here we go. I'll give you

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Speaker 1: kind lady in Ohio at the time, and I didn't

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00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: come home. It was sunrise Wednesday morning, and I probably

429
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: wreaked of liquor and um maybe some lipstick on my collar.

430
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was ugly, and I like

431
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: the son's up and my normal neighbors that have real

432
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: jobs are going to work, and I'm out in front

433
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: of the house in that red truck that's in the video,

434
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: and I'm going, where am I gonna live? Where am

435
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: I gonna look? Where am I gonna live? When I

436
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: get homeless? I wrote it right then. Well then I

437
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: go in, everything goes the crap, and but I had

438
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: the song. And then that night I went back to

439
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: the gig and I was pretty down and depressed and sad,

440
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: and I wrote She's not crying Anymore on Wednesday, and

441
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: then I didn't write anything on Thursday, Friday or Saturday.

442
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: And on Sunday I met Sandy Kane and wrote some

443
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: gave ball. So during that one week of May, I

444
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: wrote three of those songs. In uh nine nine during

445
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: that week, all in a week. In a week, it's

446
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: almost Dolly esque when she goes, you know, I sat

447
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: down for this day and I wrote these two songs.

448
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: And you know you're like, well, I know both of

449
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: those songs. You wrote them the same day. The fact

450
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: that you kind of nailed those three in that time period,

451
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: and I feel like, creatively, it almost takes things to

452
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: happen to us to kind of, um create emotion and

453
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: share emotion. What was happening in your life that had

454
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: you feeling these feelings to create this dynamic music you think.

455
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: I think it was an excess of alcohol. Um, there

456
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: was probably some. I hate to even say there was.

457
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: It was a pretty rough time. It was a very

458
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: excessive alcohol. When you say excessive, did you know it

459
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: was a problem. Are we just partying too hard? I

460
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: was actually working. It was like part of my job.

461
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: I always had a rule. I said, Okay, I go

462
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: play the first set completely straight, straight up. Could you

463
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: play straight and feel? Yeah? I felt really good. I

464
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: always felt like the first set was like probably my

465
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: most correct and then um the second set, like in

466
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: between the break, I might um take a little puff

467
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: and then UM go up to the second set and

468
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: I feel looserd That's probably the best set of the night.

469
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: But by the third set I'd have a puff uh

470
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: possibly unfortunately, maybe a snort um unfortunately. Like then came

471
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: like it was part of people partying with send me

472
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: drinks and some of those drinks would be on fire.

473
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: Someone would be like double shots of who knows what,

474
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what it takes the light of drink

475
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: up and then blow it out and drink. But I

476
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: would do that. It was so about third set with

477
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: rocket pretty hard. For set, I was probably legally drunk.

478
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, Um, Keith Whitley was from my neck of

479
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: the woods up there in Kentucky, and I was a

480
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: huge Keith Whitley fan and um, when he died that

481
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: had a big impact on me, like I can't finally

482
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: get to this point where my dreams about to come true,

483
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: but yet I have some issues. So him him having

484
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: his issues and dying, do you feel like it was

485
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: kind of a r He saved my life. I mean,

486
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: this is no other way to say it. He saved

487
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: my life because my manager, Jack McFadden, was Keith Whitley's manager,

488
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: and he was he was like a son to Jack,

489
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: and Jack at that point I was on his roster,

490
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: but he had never seen me play, never heard my music,

491
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: didn't know exactly what it was that I did, but

492
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: he knew it wasn't exactly straight up country. And Jack

493
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: had managed Merle Haggard and Buck Owens and Keith Whitley

494
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: and tragically on May to Night and again this is

495
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: nine Um May to Night. Um. Jack was gonna take

496
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: me to Sony Records for the first time. Jack was

497
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: gonna take me anywhere. And again, I don't think he'd

498
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: even heard any of my songs, but we had an appointment.

499
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: So I came down on the eighth. Tragically, Keith Whitley

500
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: UH passed away on the morning of the ninth, and

501
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: UH the meeting was canceled, obviously, and I drove back

502
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: home to Huntington, West Virginia, and UH played on No

503
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: Ranger to the Rain over and over and over and

504
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: over and over. I better played a hundred times between

505
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: here and Huntington's and it just had a huge impact

506
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: on me. And UH, luckily and m nineteen and ninety one,

507
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: when I realized that, hey, Cyrus, You're about to get

508
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: your chance. This this you've got the album that everybody

509
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: seems to really believe something that well, they told me,

510
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: he said, Man, hang in there, this is about to happen.

511
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: And I stopped at a bridge down here on the

512
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: harpor somewhere and through all my stuff into the river,

513
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: and I said, I can't do this and and not

514
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: be my very best stuff. Worked your stuff do you mean?

515
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: Do you mean your actual stuff for drugs? Cocaine? I

516
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: pulled over and threw my damn cocaine out. Would you

517
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: have considered yourself an addict or someone who and I

518
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: come from a massive family of addictions. So were you

519
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: an addict? Or are you someone who just enjoyed it

520
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: but could also if you needed to stop stop? I

521
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: don't think I could stop stop, especially on alcohol, because

522
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: I drank since I was a kid, and I ain't

523
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: had a beer sense like I mean that I had

524
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: to stop everything. Except I did say, you know what,

525
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: having a little puff every now and then, if marijuana

526
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: helps me, it's medicine to me. And uh so I

527
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: kind of allowed myself to say, Okay, if you get

528
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: rid of these two devil alcohol in the cocaine, you

529
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: can keep a little bit of the marijuana because that's

530
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: kind of your medicine and um and you never look back. No. Wow.

531
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: The fact that you stopped, drew a line and stood

532
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: at that line says a lot about who you are

533
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: deep down, like you, and I think it showed itself

534
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: over and over again with the things you're able to achieve.

535
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: Like you, here's the line, this is my goal, this

536
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: is when going to achieve and I'm not going to

537
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: cross this. And that was a massive step to me.

538
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: I guess I'm surprised in a way, not at you,

539
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: but when you hit so hard and you're on and

540
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: you are a superstar. Now that when you have all

541
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: every resource, everything is available to you again, available more

542
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: than it's ever been to you, by the way you

543
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: have money, you have, fame, you have you. Still I

544
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: didn't get back into it, that run from it. That

545
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: is amazing. I can't. I don't want it around me

546
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: and I don't need won't be a tempted by it

547
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: because it never goes away sometimes, I joked. I joked

548
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: with my little girl Know a couple of weeks ago,

549
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: came to see me. She said, where are you at? Dad?

550
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: I sit down on the banks of the harp with

551
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: what are you doing, I said, looking for my cocaine.

552
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: I thought the way of not anyone. She laughed, Really,

553
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: I know it's a horrible joke, but she thought it was.

554
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: She knew the story and so being able to joke

555
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: about it a little bit. But um, I never knew

556
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: anybody that anything could come out of cocaine. I don't

557
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: know I've I've ever had a drink because I'm so

558
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: scared of it. My mom was an addict and she

559
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: died in her forties. I never knew my dad because

560
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: he was an addict, and so I just I'm an

561
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: addict to a lot of things. But I've purposefully kept

562
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: myself off of drugs and alcohol because I know I will.

563
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: I know I love it. I know that I will

564
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: embrace it and it will be over for me before

565
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: it starts. And so I made that decision like I

566
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: drew that line, and it's difficult. But to experience it

567
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: like you did and then to stop, I think that's

568
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: even harder to do, and to never look back at

569
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: it like that is inspiration for a lot of people

570
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: that are listening to this right now. I appreciate you

571
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: sharing the story. I haven't talked about it very much. Um,

572
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: when I think back, ever, I don't know that I've

573
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: ever been in this moment to just say, but I

574
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: think like we're all in a moment of purpose right now.

575
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find my purpose in this moment coming

576
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: out of these last couple of years. Same. Wait, this

577
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: can't be an accident that you survived COVID twice and

578
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: that the whole world changed and somehow you just somehow

579
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: you made it through it. So God kept you here

580
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: and you found this song, and I wrote this thing

581
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: with Snoop and the brothers, and it kind of came

582
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: for this moment of tipping your hat to the working

583
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: men and women of the country and around the world

584
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: and giving kids food for thought of how to reach

585
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: their dreams. Again. When I bought a guitar and started

586
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: a band, I prayed God would give me the wisdom

587
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: and vision to use the music to fulfill my purpose

588
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: and the life. So to be in this moment now

589
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: and to be honest with you, I think that's kind

590
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: of going full circle of kind of what I need

591
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 1: to do as a dad, you know, And you're talking

592
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: now about you know, what you want to leave for

593
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: people here now? And for fut generations and the message

594
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: that you want to, you know, spread. Did you feel

595
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: like that with your kids when they were like, you're

596
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: a dad and now it's your goal to make sure

597
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: that they grow up and know this about society and

598
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: how hard it is they after work? Was that important

599
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: to you really? I always said, watch what I do

600
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: and don't do that. That's a joke, No, I think again, no, No.

601
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: I would say that to him though, and then I'd say, well,

602
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: here's the deal, you know, if they really ask me.

603
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: Somebody said, man, there's a key to life. I just

604
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: know that there are no accidents, no coincidences. Everything that

605
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: you be, have or do in this world starts with

606
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: the thought that you have in your mind. Every thought

607
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: you have is a seat and it's up to you

608
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: to take that seat and nurture it to where you

609
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: want it to grow and what you want to do

610
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: with your life. Knowing that it's all about purpose. It's

611
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: not an accident that we're here in this moment, and um,

612
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: you know most of all, just you know, saying that

613
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, keep on keeping on and believe and know

614
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: that be a jackhammer. That's kind of the the running

615
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: thing with my kids, they'll say to each other, be

616
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: a jackhammer, and I always know that they're talking about

617
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: persistence whenever you were young, teenage years because just you know,

618
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: being a kid and watching you were just ripped like

619
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: muscles on muscles, tank top muscles and muscles like you

620
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: had to be some sort of athlete, crazy athletes. Honestly,

621
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: Noah showed me a couple of weeks ago, this thing

622
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: of thirty years ago. I made my first appearance at

623
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: the Grammys and lost five. Few people can go from

624
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: nothing to losing five Grammys and onnot. But I was

625
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: very I don't, I don't. I was very grateful that

626
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: moment I knew I wasn't gonna win one, so I

627
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: wore a T shirt that I cut the sleeves out

628
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: of it said John three sixteen. It's floating around out

629
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: somewhere that I see the picture in my head right now,

630
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: and it's embarrassing to say, but oddly, yeah, I did

631
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: look more like a linebacker than and and um um.

632
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: But the point was seeing I was gonna be a

633
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: professional baseball player up until I was twenty years old,

634
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty years old, and um as as things started happening,

635
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: oddly enough, this jacket and you'll see if I turn

636
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: around in this video with Snoop, I took a silver sharpie.

637
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: I wear a leather jacket. But I'm in this full

638
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: circle moment. And Noah had said to me, and she

639
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: showed me that video, Damn, look at you John three sixteen.

640
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: And I wore the shirt because I knew I wasn't

641
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: gonna win a Grammy. But I wanted to say thank

642
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: you God for allowing me to persist and pursue this

643
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: dream and not give up because I'm here now, and

644
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to say thanks, knowing I wouldn't win, and

645
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: get the stand up and say thank you God for

646
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: this moment. So I was that shirt as that reason,

647
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: and UM, Noah said, well you can do It's thirty

648
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: years later. And so I took a silver sharpie and

649
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: I wrote John three sixteen on the back of my

650
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: leather jacket. I didn't wear it in here, but it's

651
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: in the video. I'm gonna wear it this weekend in Vegas.

652
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: And UM, I think there's a lot to that, knowing

653
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: that UM, somewhere along the line, you know you you

654
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: just gotta remember, um, what this journey is all about

655
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I saw a clip the Snoop had posted on his Instagram.

656
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of where I saw it. But

657
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: you were in the was it behind the scenes stuff

658
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: when you guys are making this song? There was a couple, Yeah,

659
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: possibly what did it? Which one did he do? Well?

660
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: To me? I remember being surprised that you were together

661
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: because so many collaborations now, I would say most are

662
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: done where somebody cuts it here that you send over

663
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: the stems and try you do. But you guys were

664
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: together in the video and where was that? Was it?

665
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: It was that this truck stop um over on Interstate

666
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: forty um off of I guess close to Old Hickory

667
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: where forty hits on Kingston Springs sort of there in

668
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: a big truck by the old prison and there's a

669
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: massive truck stop there and man, he went full on video.

670
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe him. Um it felt really good. It

671
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: was this past Sunday morning, at nine o'clock in the

672
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: morning on a Sunday, and you get the message that

673
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: Snoop wants to see in the back of the bus

674
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh man, I'm already for this video.

675
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: Rested up and who can say no to that. So

676
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: I go out and go start making my way back

677
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: through Snoop's bus somewhere along the way, like thinking, man,

678
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm learning go like they start getting little foggy and

679
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: and uh. And so we talked a little bit and

680
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: I stood there and that we got off the bus

681
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: and we just started rocking. I mean, we started rocking

682
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: and it felt good. And there I was at ten

683
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, man up on top of a

684
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: semi truck and Snoop was we started singing this song

685
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: with was saying everything in this business, everybody's borrowing something

686
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: from Chuck Berry. And we I started doing this thing

687
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: on the guitar and I'm like, Snoop started beating the

688
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: truck and he's saying, Oh, tell them the tip your

689
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: hat to Chuck. So we wrote a kind of a

690
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: song up on top of the truck about Chuck Berry.

691
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: So you wrote a song. We wrote a song on

692
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: top of the truck called uh kind of a tip

693
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: your hat to Chuck, very sort of thing. And then

694
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: we climbed down off. I remember one of the little

695
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: clips was like here it comes to if he said, hey, man,

696
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: I got this show. I got this show. It's called

697
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: Who's Holding the Blood? And I don't know if he's

698
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: posted that one yet, but it was this brown log

699
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: looking thing and uh, and then naturally everything is a

700
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: song Amazon next thing, I couldn't stop thinking, who's holding blood?

701
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: Who's holding the blood? That dog go hunt Who's holding

702
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: the blood. So when it's hard to tell him what,

703
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: Mike is gonna pop up with me and Snoop. But um,

704
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: it was a special that I can't wait for the

705
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: video to come out. The song comes out April one,

706
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: you know it for me? Which is today, right, Mike? Today?

707
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: When when this comes out on April one, it will

708
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: be April one today. The song comes out today, song

709
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: comes out today, And I'm so excited today after all this,

710
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: And it has been a year in two months since

711
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: I was first approached with the idea of a hard

712
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: working man and a song was Snoop Dogg. And usually

713
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: if something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

714
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: But something about this really stuck with me. I just

715
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: couldn't let go. And I said, well, I'm gonna do it.

716
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: Let's let's write the song really good and making us

717
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: something special. And then Snoop came in and wrote his

718
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: rap that I mean, man, it's all about the dream.

719
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: I love what Snoop added to it and long beholded

720
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: it again, persistence and not giving up. There was a

721
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of times I looked at this said, I guess

722
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: the that track about the hard working man, it just

723
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: fell away or whatever, but it found its way home

724
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: and now here we are and it's coming out today,

725
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: and it's today like a I watch you play, and

726
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: it's odd because I don't get to watch other people

727
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: like me they're left handed. You know, if I go

728
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: somewhere and they're passing around a guitar and they're like,

729
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: I never get to play because I'm left handed. There's

730
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: never a has being left handed plagued your life in

731
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: a way musically? Always, For the first twenty years of

732
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: my life, I thought I couldn't play because I was

733
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: only surrounded by right handed guitars. So if I ever

734
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: picked anybody's up, and I'd actually keep my dad's guitar

735
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: and study these guitar books, and no matter what, it

736
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: just never would make sense in my head. And I

737
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: just said, came to the clarity that I was meant

738
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: to be a baseball player, that I couldn't play guitar.

739
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: Did you throw left handed through right handed? Wow? Weird

740
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: right hand? But yeah? And I kicked left footed, but

741
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: I right left handed. I brush my teeth with my

742
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: left hand. But you do all that left hand, but

743
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: you throw right handed. I never heard of such thing.

744
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: I pretty mixed up. You right left handed, but you

745
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: throw right handed. I've heard of people kicking opposite footage

746
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: in their hand, but can you can you throw both handed? No,

747
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: not at all. That is bizarre. I know it was crazy,

748
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: and that's why I like when this boy starts telling me,

749
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: by guitars, start a band, you'll find your purpose in life.

750
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna know my purpose. I'm gonna beat Johnny Bench,

751
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: I'll be a your for Cincinnati Reds and uh, by

752
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: a guitar and started band, You'll find your purpose in life.

753
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm going. And finally I broke down after I'd won

754
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: these tickets to see Neil Diamond and he had this

755
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: inspirational show, and I'm going. I pulled my truck over

756
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: on the side of the road and I said crowded

757
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: to the stars and said, God, but I can't play guitar.

758
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: And the voice called back and said by left handed guitar.

759
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: And the next day I found one down in Portsmouth, Ohio.

760
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: And as soon as I held it in the store,

761
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: everything that I've been studying right handed, it all of

762
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: a sudden made sense. Holding the right guitar left handed.

763
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: I guess my brain was just wired that way. It

764
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: feels like thor in the hammer. Like a lot of

765
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: people try like you. You tried all the other guitars,

766
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: but finally the right one. It was like you have

767
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: all the power. But that's what it feels like right there.

768
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: I headed upside down and backwards, and they're so different

769
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: in the right hand and the left handed guitar, and

770
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: and they just had this one. And soon I started

771
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: a band that night and we just started playing and yeah, yeah,

772
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: And was how many of those guys hung around your

773
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: life for a bit? Did they move around with you

774
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: at all? I lost a lot of them. Um when

775
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: the bar burnt down in and Ironton, Ohio, and I

776
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: moved to l A. But my brother was in the band,

777
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: my brother Keebo, and he's still up in Kentucky. He's

778
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: an excellent guitar player, and to me, he'll always be

779
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: in the band. He's part of what we started. So

780
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: you have this song with snoop Um. When Oldtown Road

781
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: came out. You know, that was for some people, weird

782
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: for me because I was such a fan growing up.

783
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: Some people was the introduction, Like for young kids, that's

784
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: the first time they've ever seen you and you're on

785
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: this massive song. How did that call come to you, going, hey,

786
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: we need you to get here. We're gonna do this

787
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: new version of Oldtown Road? Now? Who called you UM

788
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: on Oldtown Road? It was Um. Little Noz put out

789
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: the first a p B on Billy Ray sire us

790
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: Um way before the song even charted at all. I

791
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: think he put up a little TikTok or something and

792
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: and said, can anybody get this song to Billy Ray Cyrus.

793
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: That's how you first heard about it, but I didn't

794
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: hear about it. Then it took a couple more months

795
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: and and the song was rising. Columbia came and signed

796
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: a Little Nose and somewhere during uh right about the

797
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: same time rem March the tenth or eleventh that um,

798
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: Columbia sent me the song and said would you sing

799
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: this um and maybe write a verse for it? And

800
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: I listened to it one time and I just fell

801
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: in love with I said, this guy don't need an

802
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: extra verse and he doesn't need my voice on it.

803
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: But I love this song. And they said when can

804
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: you do it? And I said today and they said, oh,

805
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: it's a it's how about Saturday tomorrow? I said, asked

806
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: book it and it was in l A and went

807
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: to Sunset Studio. I wrote my verse the edge and

808
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: sang mom thang and did the whistle? That was that?

809
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: That it was? They said I was done, and they said,

810
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: is there anything I should think? I said, have you

811
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: ever thought about? Uh? Maybe? I said, listen, this is um.

812
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: They're just and they're like, oh, man, little note to

813
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: do it? Do it all the way through it. Man.

814
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: So I whistled, do the song on the long Maho.

815
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: Now I'm the whistler for little nos bts on the

816
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: whistler for snoop. There's a there's a whistle in our tune. UM.

817
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: Never dreamed anybody would give a crap about my whistle. There, whistler,

818
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: I think you had worshop. I think we both had

819
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: worob The whistler actually actually whistled while I worked at

820
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: Baby Toy Town. Whenever you look at your career like

821
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: from uh ten thousand feet up, like you've been able

822
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: to consistently come back and be successful in all these

823
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: different areas music and then television when you know you

824
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: did the show with Miley music again, you keep reinventing

825
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: how you do music like your girl Like, what in

826
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: the world who are you having these conversations with it?

827
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, Billy, right, that's what you need

828
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: to do now. M Honestly, Dolly, first and foremost, get

829
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: into acting. Don't be dependent on radio for a career.

830
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: She said that to you, Chris Christofferson, um White and

831
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: Jenny and most importantly, my dad said, look at Kenny Rodgers,

832
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: like I have one of those kind of careers. I said, Dad,

833
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: how do you? I'd love to, but how do you

834
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: do that? He said, you got to get into acting.

835
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, I ain't even been in

836
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: a church play. I can't act. He said, I'm sure.

837
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: It's just like everything else, you just gotta start. And

838
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: that is that such good advice. It is good advice.

839
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: No matter what you're gonna do in life, you ain't

840
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: never gonna get it done if you don't start. And

841
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: so started, and luckily I got hired but uh, David

842
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: Lynch from malland Drive, and that led to doc and

843
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: then pretty soon unfortunately, yet fortunately, I found myself living

844
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: as an actor. But I'm really just a singer songwriter

845
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: from Flatwoods, Kentucky, and I was much more comfortable just

846
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: being a musician. In some ways, I'm glad I did

847
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: what I did, but it it took away maybe some

848
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: of my best years as a singer songwriter. But I

849
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: don't know that I would ever wrote. I might not

850
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: even be here without that those moments, so I can't

851
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: second guess it. But that's why I looked so forward

852
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: to this moment. I hope the world opens back up

853
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: and we get to play these shows that we have

854
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: booked and that more are coming because I to me, mahi,

855
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: what I really realized from the time I bought a

856
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: guitar and started a band. My high is the celebration

857
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: of music with the fans and the band and the

858
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: song all coming together other at one moment when everyone

859
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: can be in unison and harmony. That's as high as

860
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: I get, and I love it. That's That's what I

861
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: want to do with the rest of my life, is

862
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: just play some shows people come together, sing, dance, live, love, laugh,

863
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: And if there is any food for thought, if there's

864
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: someone that looks at my life and says, you don't

865
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: what if he can do it, I can do it.

866
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: If he can reach his dreams, I can reach my dreams.

867
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: And then maybe some kid might say, what was that

868
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: he said about be a jackhammer? Yeah, jackhammer? Keep on

869
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: keeping on. I actually, during the pandemic, wrote a song

870
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: called keep on Keeping On Like it's it's the philosophy,

871
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. Yeah. I appreciate your dad's words,

872
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: and I think it's been said a few different ways,

873
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: but I like that you like, you just have to start.

874
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: You just have to Your dad though, if I'm correct,

875
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: was he a millworker. He was. He was a steel

876
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: worker of it, armcoat steel. And so that had to

877
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: have an impact on YouTube because my step dad worked

878
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: at a sawmill and I would see him come home,

879
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: and you know, my mom didn't remarr until I was

880
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen, but had no stability until him at all.

881
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: But he would come home. He would work so hard,

882
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: but he hated his job and he and he would

883
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: always say to me, I said, I hate this job.

884
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: You need to find something you love to do, because

885
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: at least you'll love doing it. Like, find something you love.

886
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: Don't be like me, don't work in the mill all

887
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: day to just get a paycheck. Did your dad pass

888
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: along any of that to you or do he like

889
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: his mill job. My dad was a people's man, and

890
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: once at the steel mill, he saw a man uh

891
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: lucy's legs from a falling crane, and unfortunately the company

892
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 1: um wasn't doing right by his family, and my dad

893
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: ended up uh leaving his job and putting himself through

894
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: college and became a state representative in Kentucky and became

895
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: in the head of the a f l c O

896
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: in State of Kentucky, working for working men and women's rights.

897
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: So he did it and then stood for the people

898
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: that also did it. That's another thing that turned me

899
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: on so much about hard working man. I said, you

900
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: know what, in a way, I feel a bit of

901
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: my dad's spirit in this song. I was raised knowing

902
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: that it's the hard working men and women of this

903
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: country that make those mills go, that make the trains run,

904
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: that drive the trucks. And you know, it's kind of

905
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: a philosophy, and there's another side of the steel mill

906
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: that I knew a little bit about steel. And then

907
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: somewhere when I bought a guitar and started a band,

908
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta harness everything in my mind to

909
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: make this happen. I started studying, and somewhere I read

910
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: that persistence is to the quality of the character of man,

911
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: what carbon is to steal. And I knew that without

912
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: carbon and steel, steel was just plastic or rubber. That

913
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: made sense to me. Persistence. Everybody I'm studying keeps coming

914
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: back to be a jackhammer, keep on keeping on. Persistence.

915
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: It's not a very glorified word, but man's is important. Okay,

916
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: So today the song is out hard working man, Billy

917
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: Ray Cyrus is here with us. This is read read

918
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: runs all the video, all the fancy equipment. He always

919
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: asked one question, read what do you have for Billy Ray? Well,

920
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: I was going to ask about your song. It could

921
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: have been me if that was like, like involved a

922
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: true story or not, but you kind of answered that. Um,

923
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: But is there any kind of memory from either playing

924
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: a show or recording or anything that kind of sticks

925
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: out to you, is like one of your fondest memories.

926
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: I think maybe that moment at the Grammys and knowing

927
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: that the dream was in front of me now to

928
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: be as a good idea is only as good as

929
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: its execution. It has to do with me stopping all

930
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: the bad things and harnessing the good and leaning into

931
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: the music during that time, and most of all because

932
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: at that moment this would be the quintessential moment when

933
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash wrote me a letter that said, recently saw

934
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: you giving credit to God for all your success. Always

935
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: remember that all things that are good come from oh

936
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: My to God above um. You remind me of my

937
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: friend Elvis Presley in your case, as in, he is

938
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: the good outweighs the bad. Let him have it. I'm

939
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: in your corner, loved Johnny Cash. And that was a

940
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: moment to me. It was during the storm of acy

941
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: breaky was as hot as it could get, and and

942
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: it was Johnny Cash wrote me that letter, and I said,

943
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, if Johnny Cash says it's okay, then that

944
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: and then it's okay. Just do what he said, give

945
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: the glory to God. And what long after that I

946
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: wore that John three six short at the Grammy's and

947
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: realized that, you know, that's so never take up for granted,

948
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: knowing that all things that are good come from all

949
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: money got above. And I could have been me question too,

950
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: because I will tell you at that time both with

951
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: thank you breaking article man, this song is special, and

952
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: I thought I had the the other nine songs I

953
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: would need, and then I heard that, read Nielson doing

954
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: uh uh like his voice. Um, he just got married.

955
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: I took a month long honey moon, and you all

956
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: smiled at the wedding. You crowed when you kissed the ground.

957
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: I got no invitation. I guess the malman didn't bring

958
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: it to me. But I see the whole thing in

959
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: slow motion, even that that try to sleep my butter.

960
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: John said you look pretty pretty, and you acted like

961
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: you were in love. He said. The preacher ask for objections,

962
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: and he thought about standing. And when I heard that,

963
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: I thought, man, I gotta do that song. And uh

964
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: so I threw off to the mine and added aki

965
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: breaking and could have been made end up doing another

966
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: read Nelson on the second album which I became a hit. Um,

967
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: it was called I Know the Words by heart? Do

968
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: you ever hear? That's all? And that was written to me.

969
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: That was the follow up of it. Could have been

970
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: me was I know the words by heart and read Nielson.

971
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: Well you know I love you well, thank you, I

972
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: love you. Love having you around. Anytime I get to

973
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: see it's always a treat for me. You're just the

974
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: best you, and I appreciate your vulnerability. I think people

975
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: hear you and go, Man, that's somebody who says things

976
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: I need to hear. I think you did that here.

977
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people that take your

978
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: message and use it to either remain in a positive

979
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: place or get themselves to a more positive place. So

980
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: I appreciate your words and and just come by. Like

981
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: I said it already once. I love you so, thank you, Bob.

982
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Man. Glad you're here. Any any time

983
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: you gonna come over with no microphones, let me know,

984
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: because you're probably in town more than I'm near where

985
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: you are, and I wanna get like. You have a

986
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: fancy place all the woods. You know, you're like the

987
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: last time I saw you come out and I was like, right,

988
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: if I come out to your place, I'm gonna get lost.

989
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,959
Speaker 1: I would be ashamed for you to see my place

990
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: after coming here. I'm talking. No, no, I'm serious, man, No, no, no, no,

991
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: you're a place I'm just like I would be embarrassed,

992
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: like this is really not clean, you just I mean,

993
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: this is I've had enough of this. Okay, listen, A

994
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: hard working band is out today. It's Billy Ray, Snoop

995
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: and the Brothers, and I hope everybody checks it out

996
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: streams it like crazy. And when Billy Ray gets back

997
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: out on the road and you start doing your shows,

998
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: I want everybody just pack it and have that moment

999
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I look forward to celebration that look

1000
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: forward to that too, And until I see you again,

1001
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: I will treasure this last hour that we spent together. Amen. Brother,

1002
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: thank you all so much, you being with you. Thank

1003
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: you m HM.