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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stefan never told you objection of iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to another edition of Happy Hour. As always,

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Speaker 2: if you choose to drink, have a drink, or whatever

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Speaker 2: you choose to do, do so responsibly. What are you

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Speaker 2: sitting on, Samantha, I.

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Speaker 1: Am actually slipping on some kombucha pineapple pink wava, very delicious.

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Speaker 2: You're in your pineapple kick Sti'll go.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'll love some pineapple so good.

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Speaker 2: I still have my frozen pineapple. So I think of things,

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Speaker 2: something could happen. So I kind of did intend for

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Speaker 2: this to happen, but this has become a very nerdy

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Speaker 2: string of content that we're putting out.

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Speaker 1: We are coming close to dragon cons we are. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's what you're doing here, like you're gearing up for it.

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think I'm in the mindset of

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Speaker 2: got all these thoughts, all these things. I'm working on

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Speaker 2: an episode suggested by Jamie about shipping, and it's already

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Speaker 2: long and epic. I'm very excited about it. Long it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I should thank Jamie or say why.

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Speaker 2: Jamis curse Jamie's name. Yeah, yeah, but it has been

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Speaker 2: it's a string of very nerdy content. And that kind

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Speaker 2: of got me thinking about something that I read. And

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Speaker 2: then a conversation I had with a friend, which is

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Speaker 2: what is a nerd? What does a nerd look like?

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Speaker 2: So I got to hang out with a friend I

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Speaker 2: haven't seen in a very long time recently, and he

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Speaker 2: else having this conversation about Barbie, and he was saying

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Speaker 2: something along the lines of like he just didn't get

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Speaker 2: Not that he didn't like it, but he just.

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Speaker 1: Was, ay, did he like the movie?

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Speaker 2: Or yeah, no, he liked it.

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Speaker 1: Understand the movie because you know, this has become a

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Speaker 2: So yes, now he got it. But he was just

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Speaker 2: the zoom and he was like, did you have a

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Speaker 2: weird Barbie? Like all this stuff and weird Barbie? I don't.

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Speaker 1: I will say though, my weird Barbie was based on

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Speaker 1: Trauma So, which is used in a lot of like

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Speaker 1: criminal shows. Oh wow, yeah, anyway, going take this show

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Speaker 1: this episode down.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. We should definitely come back to that,

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Speaker 2: maybe not in this one, yes, But it just kind

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Speaker 2: my alerts that was from Polygon, and it was about

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Speaker 2: how you never see the nerd that was depicted in Barbie,

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Speaker 2: which is a kind of a thirty nine year old

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Speaker 1: So the idea was that America Ferrara's character was supposed

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh okay, yes, And it was really fascinating because

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Speaker 2: when I read it was like, oh, of course, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But I think because our cultural understanding of a nerd

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Speaker 1: One of the first people I think doing you and Holly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So I don't want to like hide that

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Speaker 1: It has definitely grown in culture from the eighties still today,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly yes, which is I got a lot of

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Speaker 1: I love that because the new narrative and I love

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Speaker 1: seeing it lately has been women coming about being like

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Speaker 1: being told you're not like other girls is not a compliment.

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Speaker 2: Stop it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh I love this, Yeah, I love

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Speaker 1: this take. Let's do that.

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Speaker 2: I do too. I do too. That's another episode that's

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Speaker 2: It's very off putting, a very suddenly I feel like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I thought we were just having a conversation about a

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Speaker 2: a power dynamic and a dating opportunity. Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, I loved this because again we're gonna come back

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Speaker 1: But like, I've been thinking about this with different shows

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Speaker 1: figured that out. Lots of conversation, we'renna talk about Barbie.

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Speaker 1: But like in the again, I'm still obsessed with Korean dramas, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the dudes are undisposable. And don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's been so much movement, like going back to

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Speaker 2: And I hate that that's such a like in so

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Speaker 2: That's like not the reality of what it is. And

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Speaker 2: It's not it's frivolous or it's silly. It's not a

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Speaker 2: nerd thing. It's gross and we shouldn't be talking about it. Which,

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Speaker 2: so it seems like it's God following. It's got its

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Speaker 2: It just does it right.

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Speaker 1: I want to again, we're gonna talk about this, but

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Speaker 1: I do want to reflect on how Greta Gerwig.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversations in what she's filmed and

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Speaker 1: want to celebrate that. That's amazing, and I hope we

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Speaker 1: women of color? Not necessarily? And that's hmmm again anyway, coming.

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Speaker 2: Back to yes, yes, yeah, no, there's a lot to

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Speaker 2: it is such a it's such a fanish. It can

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Speaker 2: be like, yeah, you collect these dolls, you collect these costumes.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't really into Barbie, but I was super into

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Speaker 2: Little Pony wasn't seen as a real fandom until men

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Speaker 2: this whole time. I've been here the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Why is it now just valid?

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