Speaker 1: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the podcast where once
Speaker 1: again Miles and I are talking about the well known
Speaker 1: fact that I'm a much better basketball player than Lebron James.
Speaker 1: So how are we doing? You're not? But I, like
Speaker 1: Lebron has never done the the five pointer shots that
Speaker 1: I make all the time. Definitely not. That's definitely not.
Speaker 1: That's when he did. Is not wetty like yours? No
Speaker 1: wetti thank you. That's exactly the slang that I know
Speaker 1: what means. It's so funny, how stupid you sounded so funny.
Speaker 1: You know what else is funny, Sophie. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say something really mean, and then I stopped myself. What well,
Speaker 1: you know what I did is I spent time, because
Speaker 1: I'm not a mean person like you, reading from the Bible,
Speaker 1: you know, the Good Book, which we're all supposed to
Speaker 1: do every day. And I found a relevant quote from
Speaker 1: the Bible. And I just gonna read this bit of
Speaker 1: Mark sixteen because I think from Playboy Magazine August of nine,
Speaker 1: that's somebody's Bible. No, I I think we could use
Speaker 1: a little bit more religion on this podcast. And uh,
Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna this this this verse from the Bible,
Speaker 1: save us, Robert cherish ye all the catalytic converters that
Speaker 1: that frolic and frock in the streets around you, and
Speaker 1: never let them stay in the car with which they
Speaker 1: were initially assembled, and instead take for ye all the
Speaker 1: precious metals they contain and use them to buy street
Speaker 1: drugs under bridges. M that's I mean, let's just bring
Speaker 1: it down one more time due Toonomy eight. But remember
Speaker 1: the Lord your God, for it is he who gives
Speaker 1: you the ability to produce wealth through the theft of
Speaker 1: catalytic converters, which he swore to your ancestors. As it
Speaker 1: is today. I mean, and this is why the Bible is,
Speaker 1: This is why I want to get this ship tadded.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's so powerful. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: anyone disagreeing with that. This is not funny. So is
Speaker 1: my religion. Don't don't play with Miles. I think we
Speaker 1: might have to get HR involved, because if I remember
Speaker 1: the classes that I did not take, the HR takes
Speaker 1: a stick. We're not allowed to demean a co workers religion.
Speaker 1: Gart you're still gonning emails about that. I have not
Speaker 1: checked those emails in months. Sophie. Um So, Miles, we're
Speaker 1: back talking about Clarence Thomas. What's a good nickname for
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas? Uh m hmm. I feel like it's some
Speaker 1: kind of like a good nickname is some kind of
Speaker 1: Marvel super villain that involves like some kind of porn pun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely there has to be like something pornographic there which
Speaker 1: he would appreciate personally, as someone who uncontrollably talks about
Speaker 1: porn grafity to every single person that he has for
Speaker 1: more than thirty five seconds. I'm trying to think, is
Speaker 1: there any I mean, there's pyro and that could just
Speaker 1: be porno, but that's not like very clever. Um, we'll
Speaker 1: think about that. I mean, I'll challenge the listeners for
Speaker 1: that something good, some good. I was gonna go with
Speaker 1: Lex Luthor, but mainly because I think Clarence tom Well
Speaker 1: is he bald am? I just imagining that Clarence Thomas
Speaker 1: he's got here. Let me let me take a look.
Speaker 1: Let me take a look. I think it's halo Yeah
Speaker 1: it is haloing. But no, you're right, he has that
Speaker 1: like it's like a crown of white hairs too. So
Speaker 1: like spiderwebt Um, I don't know, but oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's because in the most recent pictures he's like barely
Speaker 1: has any left. I guess he's kind of like he's
Speaker 1: like Sniegel, you know, and that like Porno has ruined him.
Speaker 1: Like I see like the ring of Power, the Ring
Speaker 1: of Porno that he's pursuing. And then I just think
Speaker 1: how the walls are plastered with Porno. It's like Sniegel
Speaker 1: when he has the rings, Like I look forward to
Speaker 1: the day and Elijah Wood attempts to throw his his
Speaker 1: old playboys into a volcano, but but can't bear to
Speaker 1: do it, and then Clarence Thomas tackles them out of
Speaker 1: his hands and falls into the mouth of some fires
Speaker 1: of Mount Doom. Yeah. Yes, anyway, big on Tolkien today.
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, the uh, we're talking a bit about
Speaker 1: Clans Thomas, who is as we start this story, about
Speaker 1: to be the Republican nominate the latest of like way
Speaker 1: too many fucking Supreme they make, They nominate so many
Speaker 1: fucking Supreme Court justices in the Reagan Bush ears it
Speaker 1: is heartbreaking. Um and yeah. The kind of black conservatism
Speaker 1: that Thomas had come to support by the late nineteen
Speaker 1: eighties was very formed by both his experiences at Yale
Speaker 1: with his racist white liberal colleagues and his experiences with
Speaker 1: racists in the Reagan administration. It was a better the
Speaker 1: devil you know kind of bargain mixed with an almost
Speaker 1: religious belief in the saving power of black men and
Speaker 1: the focus on a kind of family values that hinged
Speaker 1: around an authoritarian, all powerful father exerting iron control over
Speaker 1: his family. That's what like his kind of attitude comes
Speaker 1: around as is like you can't you can't understand or
Speaker 1: stop racism. It's useless to try. You'll just wind up
Speaker 1: making the problem worse. All you can do is empower
Speaker 1: black men to have complete control over their families in
Speaker 1: order to like protect and direct them. Um, the state
Speaker 1: will do nothing but get in the way of black
Speaker 1: self reliance, and in Thomas's evolving view, things like affirmative
Speaker 1: action only stripped black men of self respect, while integration
Speaker 1: broke up strong black communities. The fact that Thomas himself
Speaker 1: had repeatedly benefited from affirmative action programs UH does not
Speaker 1: seem to have had an impact on his beliefs here,
Speaker 1: although he was constantly angry about that. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a complicated thing to wrap your head around. I guess, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's again, there's so much that's like confounding
Speaker 1: about him, with so much that makes sense, that makes sense, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like yeah, that that is like a whole thing to
Speaker 1: to get your head around. And it is, like I think, rightfully,
Speaker 1: So there's nothing unreasonable or hard to understand about being
Speaker 1: like angry about the existence of affirmative action because of
Speaker 1: like what it implies, right, what it implies about like
Speaker 1: the past of the country that you're in. Right, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's reasonable to be against those programs, but
Speaker 1: I think it's reasonable to be like it's fucked up
Speaker 1: that like this is necessary, um, and that it's going
Speaker 1: to lead to people treating black people who benefit from
Speaker 1: these programs differently as if like they don't deserve to
Speaker 1: be there. Like that is uh, like fucked up in
Speaker 1: a problem. It doesn't mean that like the solution is
Speaker 1: do nothing exactly it's right, which is what he says,
Speaker 1: Or you're just going to make the problems of racism worse. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: it's not like you want to put out a fire, right,
Speaker 1: And he's just saying don't fan the flames, and it's like,
Speaker 1: no extinguish the fire. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's sucked
Speaker 1: up with to have so many firefighters out of this fire.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is. It's bad that the fire got
Speaker 1: that bad. But that doesn't mean the solutionists fewer firefighters,
Speaker 1: yeah right, or you can fan the flames. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: according to Corey Robin Quote, among the few who have
Speaker 1: noticed this, the type of his nomination was the right
Speaker 1: wing intellectual Murray Rothbard. Before he died in nine Rothbard
Speaker 1: came to a late life vision of a coalition of
Speaker 1: libertarians and white nationalists forging alliances with Pat Buchanan and
Speaker 1: Ron Paul. Rothbart anticipated the merger of America's two great manias,
Speaker 1: racism and capital or in capitalism that are the hallmark
Speaker 1: of the Trump regime, black separatism or black nationalism. Rothbard
Speaker 1: said of Thomas's philosophy has long struck me as more
Speaker 1: far more compatible with human nature, as well as far
Speaker 1: more libertarian than the compulsory integration beloved of left liberalism.
Speaker 1: A modern updated version of the black nation idea, Rothbart added,
Speaker 1: would set the American blacks free, at last, free from
Speaker 1: what they see as white racism and what many white
Speaker 1: see his parasitism over the white populace through crime or
Speaker 1: welfare payments. Independent at long last, liberated from what they
Speaker 1: see as the institutionalized legacy of slavery, the blacks would
Speaker 1: finally be free to find their own level. So like
Speaker 1: Rothbart sucks. Rothbart, by the way, is the reason why
Speaker 1: libertarian is a right wing word. Now that's like a
Speaker 1: conscious thing that he did is steal it from the
Speaker 1: left and is a just a math that makes clear
Speaker 1: that's a massive racist talking right like everything about very racist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but also just given their own thing give let him
Speaker 1: just do their own thing over there. Man. Also, though
Speaker 1: you have to like again this is the thing you
Speaker 1: could you always have to say about Rothbart, a very
Speaker 1: intelligent man who was good at getting what he wanted,
Speaker 1: because like, this is a winning strategy, not with most people,
Speaker 1: but like with enough that it's come to dominate a
Speaker 1: huge chunk of Republican politics, um and been a significant
Speaker 1: part and a couple of presidential elections. So yeah, and
Speaker 1: it and it also a great new feeling or vibe
Speaker 1: to the idea of like not wanting to help marginalized people,
Speaker 1: which is you know, people should just be kind of
Speaker 1: like left to do their own thing, is sort of
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like I'm not trying to say they
Speaker 1: deserve that, but what I'm saying is my belief is
Speaker 1: that like people should just be free to like sort
Speaker 1: that out. Like if it's not working for them, then
Speaker 1: like they should work that out. And is that sort
Speaker 1: of like this other, you know, form of neglectful racism
Speaker 1: that people love. Yep, Um, it's pretty good. It's it's
Speaker 1: uh yeah. In June of their good Martial announced his
Speaker 1: retirement from the Supreme Court. Tragically. If he'd held on
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, his successor might have been someone
Speaker 1: who was a little bit more to the left. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they would have been appointed by President Clinton. Um.
Speaker 1: But at the time June, you gotta remember, Bush looked
Speaker 1: like he was gonna win, right like it was, you know,
Speaker 1: things were going pretty good. He had he'd had a
Speaker 1: he was in the process, I guess of having a
Speaker 1: fun little war which we all had a really good
Speaker 1: time with. Made everybody feel good about themselves. I Mean,
Speaker 1: who didn't have those custom Ninja turtles that were straight
Speaker 1: up desert storm propaganda? Man, he should have gotten a
Speaker 1: second term just because of the Ninja Turtles strength of yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: off the strength of the toys absolutely and the G I.
Speaker 1: Joe episodes. We got out of that period of time.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a what a great time that
Speaker 1: was for everyone. This scuds for you. We should have
Speaker 1: done another couple of wars like that instead of the
Speaker 1: problem wars. Right, Yeah, I know, just suck a country
Speaker 1: up a little bit and then like bounce just a
Speaker 1: little bit though, you know, just just just fucking around
Speaker 1: just for the weekend. Yeah, what if we just bombed
Speaker 1: I don't know, what's the capital of Poland, Poland town.
Speaker 1: What if we just bombed Poland Town a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, and then we bounced, then we're gone. Right?
Speaker 1: Does a little warning make us feel good? Hundred hours
Speaker 1: on the ground, right, everybody? Everybody feels like even not? Yeah? Yeah, easy, simple, God?
Speaker 1: What you want to bomb Warsaw? Thank you, Sophie Warsaw? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah? Joined the great club of dudes? Who
Speaker 1: did I know one thing about that's? That's that's If
Speaker 1: I know one thing about history, it's that bombing Warsaw
Speaker 1: is always a good guy move. No response to that,
Speaker 1: just concerned here folks anyway, stop borking around. Thank you
Speaker 1: so thank you for bringing back to Robert. So your
Speaker 1: life up if they're good. Marshall had held on a
Speaker 1: little bit longer another like year in change, he probably
Speaker 1: would have had his success for appointed by President Clinton.
Speaker 1: But like, and I'm not saying this to criticize the man, Like,
Speaker 1: imagine yourself in his position. You've spent your entire life
Speaker 1: fighting for civil rights and doing so very effectively. You
Speaker 1: are old and sick and in pain, and you're pretty
Speaker 1: fucking sure this Bush guys gonna win reelection, So like,
Speaker 1: why continue to just sit there writing out distant pieces
Speaker 1: while you're like kind of unable to function at your
Speaker 1: prior level, you know, especially I'm not. I'm not, yeah,
Speaker 1: especially when that like I'm doing the best I can
Speaker 1: with what I have quote like makes your sound like
Speaker 1: fucking hod or of like just like just ripping up
Speaker 1: your body, and you're like, I'm trying, y'all, I am
Speaker 1: desperately trying, but it's just they're ripping my body apart,
Speaker 1: like I I can't. I have no no blame for
Speaker 1: him in this, like but he does, he does quit.
Speaker 1: You know, wait, where are those like white women who
Speaker 1: are blaming they're good, Marshal. They're like, actually, if you
Speaker 1: really follow this domino effect, it's they're good Marshal fault. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't particularly blame him.
Speaker 1: He's in a pretty bad historic position here. It is
Speaker 1: kind of tragic knowing like, oh, man, you were about
Speaker 1: to get a moderately more progressive person in the White House,
Speaker 1: but tragically that didn't not happen. Um. So he he quits,
Speaker 1: you know, he does the old Irish goodbye uh and
Speaker 1: and bounces and um. Yeah. Now, George H. W. Bush
Speaker 1: is going to is one of his last things as president,
Speaker 1: get to put another ass in a seat at the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Um. And you know, at this point they
Speaker 1: can't throw another moderate in there. You know, Bush and
Speaker 1: Johnson UNU have like kind of edged the far right
Speaker 1: as much as they possibly can, and they need to
Speaker 1: pick a judge that like the fascist wing of the party.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get hard. Yeah, and and that that that
Speaker 1: motherfucker is Clarence Thomas. Um. However, the realities of the
Speaker 1: selection process mean that they also need to convince Congress
Speaker 1: that he has not in fact a threat to abortion.
Speaker 1: That is the primary concern when Thomas gets nominated, right, UM,
Speaker 1: is that, Oh, this guy's gonna end Roe v. Wade. Right,
Speaker 1: that is the primary concern in n UM, this guy's
Speaker 1: gonna end Roe v. Wade. Now, so a lot of
Speaker 1: Congress people before proving him want to like know whether
Speaker 1: or not he's a threat to the right to choose um.
Speaker 1: And this is not as simple as it sounds actually
Speaker 1: finding out how he would rule on it, because Thomas, again,
Speaker 1: as we've kind of walked through this, he has no
Speaker 1: history as a trial lawyer. He's never worked as a
Speaker 1: judge prior to this. You know, Um, he has absolutely
Speaker 1: no history of ruling on or considering cases or being
Speaker 1: involved with cases that involve abortion. There's nothing to read
Speaker 1: on in his actual past here. And part of that
Speaker 1: is because again he's not a fucking judge, So there's
Speaker 1: like no way to look at how he's handled past
Speaker 1: cases here. He's like, what do you do, sir? How
Speaker 1: did how the fund did your name get? Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a political creature, right like, he does not have and
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of deliberately avoided being in positions where
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot to criticize him on in in
Speaker 1: most of these actual like super dicey areas. UM. So
Speaker 1: when he undergoes his confirmation hearings, UM, Tom fights hard
Speaker 1: to be to avoid being pinned down on the matter
Speaker 1: of whether or not he supports the right to choose UM.
Speaker 1: He says at one point that he doesn't know how
Speaker 1: he's going to rule on abortion right, Like, so, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what I do. I don't
Speaker 1: know what I do if that came up, you know,
Speaker 1: UM quote, I hadn't read those cases about privacy, and
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought much about substantive due process since law school.
Speaker 1: I had constitutional law in nineteen seventy two. Row was
Speaker 1: decided in nineteen seventy three. So he's literally like, I
Speaker 1: just didn't think about it much. And then I've been like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: that's right. But then like I got out of law
Speaker 1: school and like I wasn't really thinking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I might think, I might say, not a log I hear,
Speaker 1: but I might say that not having thought about a
Speaker 1: major civil rights issue ever in your career would be Yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: like you shouldn't be a judge of the on the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court if you never thought about this in your life.
Speaker 1: That's what's wild too, is like I'm sure there's like
Speaker 1: this perfect again because he's this political creature to like
Speaker 1: he's benefited from just like patriarchy and that he can
Speaker 1: be like a guy who has really he's replacing one
Speaker 1: of like the most brilliant Supreme Court justices, the dude
Speaker 1: who has never done shit, like yeah, like literally the
Speaker 1: fucking goat. This guy who by any standard, has had
Speaker 1: an incredible priorate of becoming a Supreme Court justice, has
Speaker 1: an incredible legal career still to this day one of
Speaker 1: the most influential trial lawyers in the history of like
Speaker 1: Western law. And he gets replaced by a guy who
Speaker 1: um like had eight eight years as chairman of the
Speaker 1: E e e O C and prior to that like briefly
Speaker 1: represented Monsanto and then like and then nothing director for
Speaker 1: talking about porn for mostly just interrupted colleagues Like what so,
Speaker 1: Thomas though um is really good, you know, obviously he
Speaker 1: has no real background as the kind of things you
Speaker 1: would want to Supreme Court justice to have, but he
Speaker 1: has gotten really good at this point at using his
Speaker 1: personal background as someone who grew up poor and black
Speaker 1: to be fuddle literal liberals and kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: push back on any sort of claims that he might
Speaker 1: not be a good fit as a Supreme Court justice. Uh.
Speaker 1: He followed this statement, the one I just read about
Speaker 1: how he hasn't considered privacy law by claiming, quote, I
Speaker 1: was more interested in the race issues. I was more
Speaker 1: interested in getting out of law school. I was more
Speaker 1: interested in passing the bar exam. My life was consumed
Speaker 1: by survival. I couldn't pay my rent, I couldn't repay
Speaker 1: my student loans. I had all these other things going
Speaker 1: on that you were navigating these worlds that you're navigating.
Speaker 1: So that's is like reason for why I didn't consider
Speaker 1: I never considered abortion of privacy. I had real things
Speaker 1: to worry about, you know. I had as a as
Speaker 1: a as a as a poor black kid. I had
Speaker 1: liked to actually fight to pay my rent, So I
Speaker 1: couldn't think about privacy rights. So the right to choose
Speaker 1: perfect perfect, Yeah. Yeah, And that like it shuts down
Speaker 1: a lot of the criticisms against him in the Senate. Now,
Speaker 1: if you want a tremendously detailed look at how the
Speaker 1: confirmation process went or precisely why Thomas was picked all
Speaker 1: of that stuff. I really do recommend the book Strange
Speaker 1: Justice by Meyer and Abramson Um. I think it is
Speaker 1: important to note that Thomas really plays up the aspects
Speaker 1: of his background that sound good to liberals when he
Speaker 1: is during this confirmation process, because again, he spent years
Speaker 1: playing up aspects of his background to appeal to the right,
Speaker 1: and now that he's got to like appeal to the center,
Speaker 1: at some point he starts like really pushing the parts
Speaker 1: of him that do sound good to liberals. When he's
Speaker 1: asked what he minors in during college, he's tells the
Speaker 1: Senate protest um. And it should be noted that many
Speaker 1: many liberals at the time absolutely did not buy what
Speaker 1: what Thomas was trying to like get over on them.
Speaker 1: His far right views were well documented his history. You know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about he gives all these speeches at the
Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation that New York Times article I quoted from earlier,
Speaker 1: where he's like, that's criticizing him for being friends with
Speaker 1: a bunch of apartheid people and participating in like pro apartheid,
Speaker 1: like think tank events like that is known at the
Speaker 1: time he's being criticized for that at the time um,
Speaker 1: and he also has a nasty history of statements about
Speaker 1: things like racial intermarriage and women's rights. There was extreme
Speaker 1: suspicion at the time that he would be a void
Speaker 1: vote against reproductive choice on the Supreme Court, and many
Speaker 1: many people did not fall for his act, and so
Speaker 1: his confirmation process was contentious and brutal, and some of
Speaker 1: the ugliest moments during it came to the during the
Speaker 1: testimony of a former female employee who had worked with
Speaker 1: him at both the Department of Education and at the
Speaker 1: E E O C. And now it's time Miles to
Speaker 1: talk about Anita Hill. Yeah, you're not gonna nobody's nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna feel good about this. This isn't like a long Yeah.
Speaker 1: This this is the road to Anita Hill vill But
Speaker 1: you know what, it's the road to First Miles Products
Speaker 1: and Services. Oh boy, Yeah, this is you know, this
Speaker 1: is a road that you can travel on your car
Speaker 1: when you replace your catalytic converter, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna take again. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why that's winded up right in the pocket, baby, right
Speaker 1: in the pocket. You're just at this point stop driving
Speaker 1: that Prius, you know what I mean? No, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't want to see us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's what I say. Look, man, you can wrap it
Speaker 1: in razor blades. I don't care. I got gloves like yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody kind of treasures are inside that thing. Jim's the
Speaker 1: bloons all for you there inside a catalytic converter. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine? That's like it's all started as a myth
Speaker 1: from a Pirates type. I'm imagining redoing the opening of
Speaker 1: the first Indiana Jones and instead of that like little
Speaker 1: head statue, it's like a catalytic converter thing that he's
Speaker 1: gotta like saw out somebody. Somebody's parked their two thousand
Speaker 1: eight prius inside a Mayan temple and he's just jacking
Speaker 1: that thing. Oh yeah, just yar. There be many a
Speaker 1: catalytic converters yonder and then you go we there's rhodium
Speaker 1: and platinum inside. Yeah. And in the first Pirates of
Speaker 1: the Caribbean movie what's his name? The older Pirate, just
Speaker 1: like the opening up a chest, Yeah, Jeffrey Rush opening
Speaker 1: a chest and just like running catalytic converters falling out
Speaker 1: of his hand, washing his hand in it like it's
Speaker 1: a cool stream. Exactly. He got the he has the
Speaker 1: chain necklace. Elizabeth's got like a catalytic converter necklace, and
Speaker 1: it falls into the ocean and that's what wakes up
Speaker 1: all of the skelets. And oh, we're the catalytic converter
Speaker 1: pirate chest. That's right, baby, here's some ads. Uh, Miles,
Speaker 1: we're back, Yeah, we're back. We're talking about both catalytic
Speaker 1: converters and Clarence Thomas. Um. Yeah, mostly catalytic converters over
Speaker 1: the last minute or so. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: we can all agree much more relevant to civil rights
Speaker 1: law than than the Supreme Court is the catalytic converter. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we always say liberation through catalytic conversion.
Speaker 1: That's that's exactly right, Miles. The Supreme Court takes away
Speaker 1: rights at the drop of a hat. You can't trust them,
Speaker 1: you can't rely on them. You can always rely on
Speaker 1: a catalytic converter to be worth hard cash, you know.
Speaker 1: And you saw this, look, folks, and thanks so much
Speaker 1: for coming to this Hilton for this talk. But I
Speaker 1: gotta say, with the market price right now for metals
Speaker 1: like rhodium, like palladium, like platinum, Okay, we call those
Speaker 1: the big three in the Catholic converter business. The tree
Speaker 1: you has skyrocketed. Okay, so we're talking. I mean, sir,
Speaker 1: you can have a new Boston Whaler boat if you
Speaker 1: wanted within two months. Okay, just hard ground, all right,
Speaker 1: Just don't buy any Prius because we're getting that cat. No,
Speaker 1: we are. We are topping that baby out of there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you come in that Prius, then you're gonna see us,
Speaker 1: or you probably won't. To be honest, we're a little more,
Speaker 1: a little more subtle. Uh So, now it's not to
Speaker 1: talk about Anita Hill. This is not as fun as
Speaker 1: talking about standard Catholic transition. Yeah, what a what a transition.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of ink has been spilled on
Speaker 1: the subject of Anita Hill, Clarence Thomas, what he did,
Speaker 1: what he didn't do. The gist of it is this
Speaker 1: Hill was a young black woman who had grown up
Speaker 1: in a poor but comfortable farming family in rural Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Unlike Thomas, she benefited from a strong immediate and extended
Speaker 1: family who were were very tightly knit and and very
Speaker 1: like close to each other in supportive. She had a
Speaker 1: lot of emotional support from her family yes, coddled, yes,
Speaker 1: coddled into weakness by having a loving family. She was
Speaker 1: more or less a political centrist and politically was extremely
Speaker 1: dedicated to her studies. Most people who knew her will
Speaker 1: agree that she was a tremendously ambitious young woman. She
Speaker 1: got into Yale, she was offered a prestigious job at
Speaker 1: a major law firm, and she was eventually recommended for
Speaker 1: a job under Clarence Thomas at the Department of ed Ocasion.
Speaker 1: So she is a poor working class girl who works very,
Speaker 1: very hard, makes good, and gets a prestigious job earlier
Speaker 1: in her career working under Clarence Thomas at the d
Speaker 1: o E, which is like a big deal for her, um,
Speaker 1: would be a big deal for anybody in her situation. UM.
Speaker 1: And initially she and Clarence have a good working relationship.
Speaker 1: They're very friendly, but with not in in not a
Speaker 1: whole lot of time, he graduates to heavy unwanted flirtation
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna quote from Strange Justice again. Thomas began
Speaker 1: to ask her out socially three to five months after
Speaker 1: she began working for him in July nineteen one. According
Speaker 1: to Hill, his approach was unusual. Rather than asking her
Speaker 1: to join him for a specific date or event, like
Speaker 1: a movie or dinner. He expressed his interest as a
Speaker 1: casual command, saying, you ought to go out with me sometime.
Speaker 1: She turned him down firmly. She recalled, explaining that she
Speaker 1: enjoyed her work and believed it ill advised to date
Speaker 1: a supervisor. But he would not take no for an
Speaker 1: answer and dead she testified, and the following weeks he
Speaker 1: continued to ask me out. On several occasions, he pressed
Speaker 1: me to justify my reasons for saying no to him.
Speaker 1: So that's not that's bad. You ought to go out
Speaker 1: what you ought to go out with me? You know,
Speaker 1: you ought to go out with me? That's it? Was
Speaker 1: he a Jedi? What the fund is that supposed to do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: This is? This is then you're looking for and he's
Speaker 1: and he's married at this point. Uh no, no he is,
Speaker 1: Well when when does he when does he get remarried?
Speaker 1: Eight seven? So yeah, this would have been because because
Speaker 1: they start working in like eighty one. So yes, he's
Speaker 1: this is he's in between wives, I think at this point. Okay,
Speaker 1: in between ones. Okay, got you, got you? Got you? Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to where he's yeah, this starts in
Speaker 1: between wives. Um, so yeah, uh that's not great. Uh.
Speaker 1: He'll later testified that Thomas never threaten to fire her
Speaker 1: if she did not date him or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but that he pressured her so much that it was
Speaker 1: impossible for her to like do her job. He talked
Speaker 1: about sex, constantly calling her into the office to discuss
Speaker 1: work matters and then pivoting at once to gratuitous descriptions
Speaker 1: of fucking h quote. His conversations were very vivid. He
Speaker 1: spoke of acts that he had seen in pornographic films
Speaker 1: involving such matters as women having sex with animals and
Speaker 1: films showing group sex or rape scenes. He talked about
Speaker 1: pornographic materials depicting individuals with large penises or large breasts
Speaker 1: involved in various sex acts On various occasions, Thomas told
Speaker 1: me graphically of his own sexual prowess, mentioning at one
Speaker 1: point that he had measured his penis, which he said
Speaker 1: was larger than most. I would say, that's not a
Speaker 1: good working environment. That's not like you shouldn't like. That
Speaker 1: should probably get you in trouble anywhere, unless you're like,
Speaker 1: unless if you are a porn producer. That's probably appropriate
Speaker 1: work conversation. I will say that if you are in
Speaker 1: the pornographic film industry, then that's probably relevant more or
Speaker 1: less normal conversation. Relevant you're describing work in this you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be some kind of Yeah, you're the chairman
Speaker 1: of the E O C. Or you're you're working at
Speaker 1: the Department of Education. Neither of those are places I
Speaker 1: would say that that's appropriate conversation. This is like when
Speaker 1: you know, like it's so bad too where Yeah, to
Speaker 1: any person you're like that, you know, you know, no,
Speaker 1: you should know. You wouldn't if you were fucking driving
Speaker 1: with a friend on a road trip and they started
Speaker 1: having this conversation, like you would probably be like, hey,
Speaker 1: this has to stop. Like this is not I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk with you about this. Like I'm not again,
Speaker 1: very pro porn here, not a prude here, but you know,
Speaker 1: like somebody if again, if my boss calls me into
Speaker 1: his office and it's like, you know, I was watching
Speaker 1: a video of a woman having sex with an animal.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about how the horses penis? Would
Speaker 1: I what I saw it doing when it displaced her
Speaker 1: belly and like that's like I gotta write these cracked articles. Man,
Speaker 1: you gotta give me time. Jesus. Wow wow wow, Miles
Speaker 1: no comment. That's that's that's that's uh wow. Miles Gray's
Speaker 1: last appearance on podcast Everybody. So this is like bad.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say bad. Also, describing your
Speaker 1: own penis, that's really definitely a clear line you shouldn't
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that to your coworkers. Um. Now, when these
Speaker 1: allegations came out during the confirmation process, Thomas took an
Speaker 1: interesting approach to handling them. Right, So he'll she only
Speaker 1: spends like a day being question but like, now this
Speaker 1: comes out and it becomes there's this huge media thing
Speaker 1: about it. People are making a big deal. But which
Speaker 1: they should. I'm not saying they're making a big deal
Speaker 1: about it like it's bad too. This is a problem. Um.
Speaker 1: Thomas takes an interesting approached responding to it. Now. The
Speaker 1: smart play might have been to apologize for making her
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, right, or to say like, I'm sorry, you
Speaker 1: know I was joking. I'm sorry that my jokes made
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's good. I want to be clear here,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that would make it Okay, I'm saying
Speaker 1: that might be the smart play, as like a guy
Speaker 1: trying to get out of trouble, not at least deny.
Speaker 1: You know this is a you know, I have this.
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time working around a lot
Speaker 1: of guys. You know what's uh, you know we we
Speaker 1: we we make these jokes all the time. And I
Speaker 1: was just making jokes with her, like with any colleague.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that I it made her feel uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: right like that that would be probably what most men
Speaker 1: in his position would do. Um, again, that's bad. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying that, like that's the that's the normal, right
Speaker 1: or societal flow of events typically is like that. He
Speaker 1: doesn't do that. Instead, he denies ever speaking to her
Speaker 1: about sex at all, and he also denies ever having
Speaker 1: similar conversations within the workplace at any point in time. Now,
Speaker 1: this is an obvious lie. Virtually every close co worker
Speaker 1: and colleague of Clarence Thomas has experiences which they later
Speaker 1: told to Press, many under their own names, of him
Speaker 1: talking about pornography and making weirdly explicit sex jokes. This
Speaker 1: is a constant experience. People who are friends with him
Speaker 1: and who worked with him have had over the course
Speaker 1: of decades. Multiple women who have worked with Thomas over
Speaker 1: the years have recounted identical experiences. Now, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to go into tremendous detail about Professor Hill. She later
Speaker 1: becomes a professor. Now she's Professor Hill. Um. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go into a tremendous amount of detail about
Speaker 1: her allegations, other than to say that they are very
Speaker 1: credible and they are backed up by the recollections of
Speaker 1: multiple people that she discussed Thomas's behavior with at the time,
Speaker 1: and also the experience of like several dozen people who
Speaker 1: knew him socially and professionally in the years before he
Speaker 1: was nominated to the Supreme Court. What I will do
Speaker 1: is recount for you one more anecdote to make a
Speaker 1: point of how relentless his inappropriate sexual behavior at truly was.
Speaker 1: And here's Mayer and Abrams and Abramson again quote. One
Speaker 1: of the oddest of Hill's recollections was that one day,
Speaker 1: when she and Thomas were working in his office, he
Speaker 1: got up from the table where he had been sitting
Speaker 1: with her, went over to his desk to retrieve a
Speaker 1: can of Coca cola, and after staring at it demanded
Speaker 1: to know who has put pubic hair on my coke?
Speaker 1: I didn't have a clue how to interpret that. Hill testified,
Speaker 1: I did not know. It was a strange comment for me.
Speaker 1: I thought it was inappropriate, but I did not know
Speaker 1: what he meant. In the hearings, Thomas sounded equally baffled
Speaker 1: and defended by such language. Asked by Senator or in
Speaker 1: Hatch if he had ever said such a thing, Thomas replied, No,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Now, Miles, that's horseship, and we know it's
Speaker 1: horseshit because Meyer and Abramson, being good reporters, went and
Speaker 1: talked to a bunch of his co workers and we're like,
Speaker 1: you ever make any comments about like a coke and
Speaker 1: a pubic hair to you? And boy, howdy do a
Speaker 1: lot of people have the exact same experience Anita Hill did,
Speaker 1: This is like a thing for him. Quote so cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just let me let me get this through and
Speaker 1: then we could talk about it, miles. Quote. Marguerite Donnelly,
Speaker 1: a senior trial attorney at the E. E E O C.
Speaker 1: Until she went into private practice in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 1: distinctly recalled being told by a co worker in the
Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties that Chairman Thomas had said, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was in the presence of several people, that
Speaker 1: there was a pubic hair on his can of coke.
Speaker 1: Donnelly says she told her husband Alan Danoff, who was
Speaker 1: an attorney at the e o C until nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 1: about the peculiar comment. When interviewed, dan Off confirmed this.
Speaker 1: We certainly did hear about it back then, he said.
Speaker 1: Thomas's aide Michael Middleton, also said that he heard about
Speaker 1: he heard the pubic hair story associated with Thomas before
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, when he too left the e o C.
Speaker 1: I have this vision of Clarence at the e o
Speaker 1: C picking up a coke and saying, who put this
Speaker 1: pubic hair on my coke? Recalled Middleton, formerly Thomas's principal
Speaker 1: deputy at the Department of Education and Associate General Counsel
Speaker 1: at the e o C and now a professor at
Speaker 1: law at University of Missouri Columbia. Middleton also remembered telling
Speaker 1: us why about it at the time During the hearings,
Speaker 1: He said, he turned to her and asked if she
Speaker 1: remembered the story, and she told him that she did so.
Speaker 1: Like that's a lot of people to know about you,
Speaker 1: like picking up cokes in the office and being like,
Speaker 1: why is there a pube on this coke? Like that's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have had that who are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a thing Clarence does. This stupid fucking thing to
Speaker 1: also be known for. It's a really stupid thing to
Speaker 1: be known for, a really stupid creepy thing to be
Speaker 1: known for. Ye, And we're again throughout all these episodes, right,
Speaker 1: I'm just like we're putting together this backstory of a
Speaker 1: person who now is one of the most as most
Speaker 1: of one of the most powerful people on the planet. Yes,
Speaker 1: and is can skull fuck the earth people's rights whatever
Speaker 1: the funk they want with just because because of their
Speaker 1: fucking shitty road here. And also somebody who has also
Speaker 1: been afforded like some of the worst parts of like
Speaker 1: you know, society, like benefiting from all kinds of ship
Speaker 1: that also gives him this like terrible sense of potency
Speaker 1: and like righteousness and ship and all of it's coming
Speaker 1: together to like you, we're just watching it all play
Speaker 1: out now that really is kind of alarm and just
Speaker 1: feels like most Yeah anyway, sorry, Yeah, I would say here,
Speaker 1: and here's what I would say that it's good. M hmmm. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's the end of the episode. Everything's fine. Look whoms
Speaker 1: whoms among us? Right has not? You know, everybody's coworkers
Speaker 1: have stories about them. For example, some of us might
Speaker 1: have a history of you know, sneaking into people's houses
Speaker 1: at night and rubbing various poisonous plants on on children's
Speaker 1: clothing in order to make kids stuffer. Right, Like, nobody's perfect.
Speaker 1: But yeah, much of jail broken Amazon fire sticks of course,
Speaker 1: who hasn't done that? Right? Or offer up you can, honestly,
Speaker 1: bro for one fifty you'll get all the channels, you'll
Speaker 1: get access to. This won't plex server, it's real already
Speaker 1: has Waconda forever on it. And he's not. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing about Miles is being very humble. Here's the
Speaker 1: thing he's not going to say about these hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollar firesticks that he's selling. They absolutely will not
Speaker 1: steal your data so that people can can can make
Speaker 1: PayPal payments on what I'm here. I'm here absolutely and
Speaker 1: I just won't happen. I just I'm only here for
Speaker 1: the first transaction. I'm going to swipe your data information
Speaker 1: because just like Clarence Thomas isn't getting on the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court in order to destroy a woman's right to choose.
Speaker 1: He's not going to do that. He doesn't even think
Speaker 1: about that kind of He didn't even think about it,
Speaker 1: never would never think about it. He didn't even know
Speaker 1: about it. Um anyway, Clarence Thomas gets confirmed by the
Speaker 1: narrowest margins of any Supreme Court justice in history up
Speaker 1: to that point. I think, still to this day, maybe
Speaker 1: Kavin I'll beat him. I didn't check on that. I
Speaker 1: should have. I would have if I wasn't a hack
Speaker 1: in a fraud. But he gets confirmed, right, That's all
Speaker 1: that matters. It's like the thing that people say about,
Speaker 1: like what do you call the doctor who ranked last
Speaker 1: in medical class doctor? Like he's still he's on the
Speaker 1: fucking Supreme Court. Doesn't matter that it was narrow yeah, yeah. Now.
Speaker 1: It is worth noting that when Hill told the Senate
Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee about what Thomas had done, Senator Joe Biden
Speaker 1: insisted her name not be used and that Thomas not
Speaker 1: be told of the allegations, which seriously limited the Senate
Speaker 1: Committee's options in terms of actually doing anything about this.
Speaker 1: Joe has been accused of kind of acting to hush
Speaker 1: it up. Um, weird, Joe. Good thing that guy doesn't
Speaker 1: come up later in the story. Anyway, an FBI investigation
Speaker 1: was suggested and it was determined that Thomas had done
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. So they look into it for like a
Speaker 1: couple of days, and they're like, it's fine, he didn't
Speaker 1: do anything. Weird, And I guess legally none of this
Speaker 1: is really illegal, especially since he helped change the definition
Speaker 1: of sexual harassment in the workplace, was right exactly. Yeah, yet,
Speaker 1: so that's cool. Uh. Anita Hill gets absolutely savaged by
Speaker 1: right wing media. Very few people who have been like
Speaker 1: more brutally attacked by the right than her. Um, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's an early period of time. Although at
Speaker 1: this point a majority of Americans when pold say, they
Speaker 1: believe her side of the story. I'm calling it that
Speaker 1: not because I think there's actually sides to this, but
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, she's been vindicated in
Speaker 1: addition to the fact that other allegations against Thomas have
Speaker 1: come out in the years since, Like, she's been extremely vindicated.
Speaker 1: Professor Hill, you know seems to have have have done
Speaker 1: her best, and I have nothing but the best wishes
Speaker 1: for her anyway. At this point, she has been backed
Speaker 1: up repeatedly by allegations made by multiple women and the
Speaker 1: recollections of numerous colleagues. Thomas, for his part, has been
Speaker 1: the remainder of his life since then, Enraged at liberals
Speaker 1: for questioning his honor and damaging his reputation, there are
Speaker 1: claims that he promised to make their lives absolute hell
Speaker 1: in revenge for what had been done. Whatever the truth,
Speaker 1: Thomas lost no time in being the worst judge he
Speaker 1: could possibly be. And I'm gonna quote from the New
Speaker 1: Yorker here. In the nine case Missouri versus Jenkins, the
Speaker 1: Court's conservative majority held that federal courts could not force
Speaker 1: Missouri to adopt policies designed to entice suburban white students
Speaker 1: to predominantly black urban schools. Thomas joined the majority and
Speaker 1: the courts private deliberations about the case. He argued, in
Speaker 1: the paraphrase of a profile of Thomas and The New Yorker,
Speaker 1: I am the only one at this table who has
Speaker 1: attended a segregated school. And the problem with segregation was
Speaker 1: not that we didn't have white people in our class.
Speaker 1: The problem was that we didn't have equal facilities. We
Speaker 1: didn't have heating, we didn't have books, and we had
Speaker 1: rickety chairs all my classmates and I wanted was the
Speaker 1: choice to attend the mostly black are mostly white school
Speaker 1: and to have the same resources in whatever school we choose.
Speaker 1: This private sentiment made its way into Thomas's public statement
Speaker 1: about the case. His concurrence in Missouri v. Jenkins was
Speaker 1: the only opinion. Legal scholar Mark Greber argues that questioned
Speaker 1: whether desegregation was a constitutional value. If anything, Thomas believes
Speaker 1: that the state should, where it can within the law,
Speaker 1: support the separation of the races. Looking back on his
Speaker 1: education in an all black environment, Thomas has admitted to
Speaker 1: wanting to turn back the clock to a time when
Speaker 1: we had our own schools. Much of his jurisprudence is
Speaker 1: devoted to undoing the Grand Experiment, which he believes himself
Speaker 1: to be a victim of. As he made clear in
Speaker 1: nineteen eight six, I have been the guinea pig for
Speaker 1: many social experiments on social minorities. To all who would
Speaker 1: continue these experiments, I say, please no more. Oh, my god,
Speaker 1: when we had our own schools. Wood Oh, He's literally
Speaker 1: saying separate but equal is fine? What a fucking backwards?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, everything's back Yeah, going back in time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what it's charitable description when we had our own schools,
Speaker 1: when we had our own schools. Yeah, okay, well that's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good. It's good that he's on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: But you know what else is good, miles m goods
Speaker 1: and services. Yeah, the products and services that support this podcast,
Speaker 1: you know, including and a lot of people don't know this,
Speaker 1: but we are. We are supported by the segregation industry. Um,
Speaker 1: so hop on down, not even funny Sophie, what do
Speaker 1: you what do you want? What do you want here?
Speaker 1: I have to do so many ad pivots. It's a
Speaker 1: bigger picture thing. I guess he's saying, Yeah, what is
Speaker 1: it I am talking about? Yes, next is primarily spins
Speaker 1: all UP put its profits into supporting a return to
Speaker 1: segregation laws, for sure. So if you are we allowed
Speaker 1: to make that claim about no, okay, well, doesn't barrage
Speaker 1: you with fucking trailers that play even when you don't
Speaker 1: ask them too. And so if you make the mistake
Speaker 1: of ever clicking on your your your computer and tea,
Speaker 1: that Chris has to bleep everything because that's what's happening.
Speaker 1: You don't have to bleep a factual statement about a company.
Speaker 1: Sophie and I hate what they do with their fucking
Speaker 1: auto playing. It's really sucking, annoying. It's horrible. It's the worst.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. And that's why the official I Heart Radio
Speaker 1: stances pirate shows. I'm sorry, Chris for all the bleeps
Speaker 1: you have to put in. Don't believe that part though. Anyway,
Speaker 1: here's adds. Oh we're back. You know. I was just
Speaker 1: engaging in my hobby, which is taking the profits we
Speaker 1: get from the catalytic converters that Miles steals and turning
Speaker 1: them into buying large numbers of flash drives, which I
Speaker 1: then put torrented copies of the show Stranger Things on,
Speaker 1: and I just leave them lying around town in a
Speaker 1: variety of places. Um, I don't watch the show. I
Speaker 1: haven't ever seen it. Don't don't intend to, just like
Speaker 1: to help other people pirate. True, you have ranted to me.
Speaker 1: You you and hand or Hannah both have opinions on
Speaker 1: this show. Well, okay, I watched season one, but I've
Speaker 1: pirated the others and I hand them out to people.
Speaker 1: You know why I do that, Sophie, because just one
Speaker 1: time I was having a conversation with somebody and was
Speaker 1: trying to put on a show that was on and
Speaker 1: dreamed at me so loud that I felt momentarily uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and as a result, I am going to war against them.
Speaker 1: That's will because earlier you, when I said something you
Speaker 1: didn't like, you said you are like Papa. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that joke means. I love that joke. Miles, Uh, Robert,
Speaker 1: continue with all the borking that needs to be done
Speaker 1: with the rest of the script. Yeah, bork out with
Speaker 1: your corks out everybody. So yeah, Um, anyway, that's Clarence
Speaker 1: Thomas h anti integration, separate, equal pro guy. This piss
Speaker 1: is off a lot of people. Rosa Park goes after him. Um,
Speaker 1: she says at the time, he has had all the
Speaker 1: advantages of affirmative action and he went against it. Um.
Speaker 1: If you've piste off Rosa Parks, you're probably bad. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be like what the owner of Little Caesar's
Speaker 1: like pay for her house. Yes, I did hear that, Yes,
Speaker 1: and Little Caesars because of that. What's fucked up is
Speaker 1: that's good marketing. Because and I want to think of
Speaker 1: Rosa Parks, I think a little Caesar's and I feel
Speaker 1: bad about that, but I like crazy bread. They're crazy
Speaker 1: bread is pretty good. But I have to say, like,
Speaker 1: if I think about like the things that would make
Speaker 1: me feel like a dogshit person, having Rosa Parks talk
Speaker 1: shit about me, like, that's hard if you have any
Speaker 1: kind of shame, that's that's a hard one to little
Speaker 1: because it's not like it's not like Rosa Parks is
Speaker 1: doing like a fucking daily fucking live stream, so or
Speaker 1: she's gonna have takes on everything. It's like, yo, she
Speaker 1: had to come off the bench fucking suit up for
Speaker 1: this tape at Yeah. So in The Enigma of Claire,
Speaker 1: It's Thomas Corey. Robin makes the case that over the
Speaker 1: course of his time in power, Thomas has arrived at
Speaker 1: a fairly consistent set of beliefs about the Constitution. His constitution,
Speaker 1: the one that he believes in, is not the Constitution
Speaker 1: as it presently like exists, or even the one that
Speaker 1: he really rules on. But it's actually two separate documents.
Speaker 1: There's the Original Constitution, which is the Constitution as it
Speaker 1: existed at the founding of the United States. And then
Speaker 1: there is the Black Constitution, which is the one that
Speaker 1: existed after the Civil War and the Reconstruction amendments that
Speaker 1: bought brought black people into the country as on paper
Speaker 1: equal citizens quote. Thomas's Black Constitution looks nothing like that
Speaker 1: progressive enterprise. Far from making the United States racially egalitarian
Speaker 1: and humane, far from creating a multiracial democracy, the Black
Speaker 1: Constitution features a society that is violent, racist, and regressive,
Speaker 1: a mix of mad max and do the right thing.
Speaker 1: The centerpiece of that constitution is the Second Amendment, reinterpreted
Speaker 1: via the Fourteenth Amendment as applying not just to the
Speaker 1: federal government but also to the states. The individual's right
Speaker 1: to bear arms is what Thomas sees as the black
Speaker 1: man's main protection against a rampaging white supremacy, the critical
Speaker 1: right that the new constitutional order provides. There are no
Speaker 1: cooperative institutions of racial equality and democratic mutuality and Thomas's
Speaker 1: political vision. There are no union leagues, no Freedman's Bureau,
Speaker 1: no interracial politics and parties. There is only the defiant
Speaker 1: black man, reliant upon his constitutional right to arm himself
Speaker 1: and defend his family against white marauders. For Thomas, the
Speaker 1: broaden Second Amendment with a attendant vision of a racialized
Speaker 1: society armed to the teeth is the keystone of the
Speaker 1: constitutional transformation that emancipation has wrought. Now, that might seem
Speaker 1: like a bleak vision of the country to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I find that kind of negative. Um, in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. I find that negative as a guy who's
Speaker 1: like pretty supportive of the right to bear arms. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's like maybe it's like mutually assured destruction.
Speaker 1: There should be no of all rights other than the
Speaker 1: right to shoot each other. Um, that's and that's all
Speaker 1: I gotta say about that. It's like, that's not idea.
Speaker 1: What people do you live within this? Yeah? Um yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, obviously, Thomas is very popular on the
Speaker 1: far right. A former U S attorney under George W. Bush,
Speaker 1: who helped write one of Thomas's recent memoirs, called him
Speaker 1: the quote greatest living American, which is a title you
Speaker 1: can find in a bunch of Fox News and other
Speaker 1: right wing articles about him. They love calling him that,
Speaker 1: but his support of the Second Amendment isn't, Robin argues,
Speaker 1: based on support for the kind of oathkeeper proud boy
Speaker 1: style militias popular on the fascist right today. Quote. When
Speaker 1: white conservatives think of the white to bear arms, they
Speaker 1: imagine sturdy white colonials firing their muskets at redcoats and
Speaker 1: then mustering and militias, or modern day whites gardening their
Speaker 1: doorways against government tyranny and black criminals. Thomas sees black
Speaker 1: slaves arming themselves against their masters, black freedmen defending their
Speaker 1: rights against white terrorists, and black men protecting their families
Speaker 1: from a residual and regnant white supremacy. Thomas's McDonald opinion
Speaker 1: returns repeatedly to scenes of white terror and black revolt.
Speaker 1: No other justice in McDonald devoted nearly as much attention
Speaker 1: to the violence of the black struggle against slavery and
Speaker 1: the violence of the white struggle to restore slavery, and
Speaker 1: this is again white. Thomas sees the second to speaking
Speaker 1: to an individual right, and why he's also consistently against
Speaker 1: bands of categories on categories of weapons like handguns or
Speaker 1: assault weapons. This is interesting because it showcases one of
Speaker 1: the many ways in which Thomas is kind of inconsistent
Speaker 1: in his Second Amendment jurisprudence. In particular, Thomas has shown
Speaker 1: a particular willingness to slash through state laws he sees
Speaker 1: his violating elements of the Black Constitution. But Thomas is
Speaker 1: also a believer in the White Constitution, which he sees
Speaker 1: as flawed but possessing valuable characteristics, particularly the tendency to
Speaker 1: devolve power back to the states. Robin makes a note
Speaker 1: of Thomas's opinion in two thousand fifteens Broomfeld v. Kane
Speaker 1: as particularly enlightening. Here the case was about whether prisoners
Speaker 1: with intellectual disability should be disqualified from receiving the death penalty.
Speaker 1: The murderer in this case, Kevin Broomfeldt, had been abandoned
Speaker 1: by his father as a child and eventually murdered a
Speaker 1: police officer during a robbery. In his decision, Thomas contrasted
Speaker 1: Broomfield's case with the murder victim's son, Warwick Dunn, who
Speaker 1: was also abandoned by his father. Dunn's mom was killed
Speaker 1: when he was eighteen, and he successfully raised his five
Speaker 1: younger brothers and sisters while earning a position in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Thomas noted that Dunn quote did not use the absence
Speaker 1: of a father figure as a justification for murder. Now
Speaker 1: obviously this story is potent father for a lot of
Speaker 1: father for a lot of think pieces. But many people
Speaker 1: at the time noted that it was kind of weird
Speaker 1: for Thomas to spend so much time on it during
Speaker 1: his like judgment on the case, because it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the actual murder itself. Um, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird for him to use that platform to
Speaker 1: randomly contrast to black men when the case is about
Speaker 1: whether or not broomfield sentence is just justice. Alito was
Speaker 1: so weird it out by this, but that even though
Speaker 1: he agreed with Clarence Thomas on the broad strokes, he
Speaker 1: wrote a separate dec in order to avoid including this
Speaker 1: tangent in his argument because he was like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: that's kind of fucking weird. What Yeah. Yeah, Even Scully
Speaker 1: is like, dude, I'm sorry, I wonder because if Clarence
Speaker 1: Thomas again, like you know, like you said, it's chaos
Speaker 1: in his mind and then he just suddenly like reflectively,
Speaker 1: it just was like, and the difference between these two
Speaker 1: black men, yeah, is that one of them? Yeah? Excuse me,
Speaker 1: that's not what we're talking about, Clarence. Um, oh yeah, right.
Speaker 1: And and Corey Robbins book makes clear that the rest
Speaker 1: of Thomas's descent is just as bug quote. For Thomas, however,
Speaker 1: it was indeed essential to the legal analysis. At the
Speaker 1: heart of his White Constitution is a vision of two
Speaker 1: different kinds of black men, one who wills himself to
Speaker 1: become a patriarch and another who wastes life his own
Speaker 1: and others. In the absence of that patriarch, the liberal
Speaker 1: state Thomas believes would protect the second, his White Constitution
Speaker 1: would help to produce the first. Done example, notwithstanding the
Speaker 1: actively of father is mostly a fantasy figure in Thomas's jurisprudence,
Speaker 1: a stern man of no particular racial identity, Thomas's patriarch
Speaker 1: once helmed the republic, instructing, chastising, and punishing his children
Speaker 1: in the interest of their development as moral beings and
Speaker 1: good citizens. In the beginning, Thomas proposes in one opinion,
Speaker 1: fathers ruled families with absolute authority. That authority was critical
Speaker 1: to the moral health of the nation, for it fostered
Speaker 1: children who learned the virtues and values of the republic.
Speaker 1: And despite changes in the polity and parenting styles over
Speaker 1: the years, Thomas says, people still believe that parents. Thomas
Speaker 1: alternatively depicts the authority figure as paternal and parental have
Speaker 1: authority over their children. The father is the head of
Speaker 1: the household, Thomas writes in another opinion, quoting from an
Speaker 1: earlier president, and has the responsibility and the authority for
Speaker 1: the discipline, training, and control of his children. That authority
Speaker 1: is based on the societal understanding of superior and inferior
Speaker 1: in cases about the rights of miners. Thomas freely drops
Speaker 1: phrases like the continued subjection to the parental will and
Speaker 1: total parental control over children's lives. He's don't like that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and again he's like also like making this like dad
Speaker 1: that he thinks he wishes he had to Yeah that
Speaker 1: he pretends his grandpa was when he's talking to the right,
Speaker 1: but it really was just absent from his life, yes,
Speaker 1: And then trying to like then shape a society where
Speaker 1: like this dad exists that he like idealizes too. It's
Speaker 1: so we're all missing a dictator dad, which is like
Speaker 1: this is Thomas didn't invent this concept. In Rome, they
Speaker 1: called the head of the house the head of the family,
Speaker 1: which was generally like the oldest man, right of like
Speaker 1: even if you were a kid, your grandfather would be
Speaker 1: this the pattern familius, right, and you had the right
Speaker 1: as the father to execute your children at any time.
Speaker 1: Like that was like a thing in Roman law during
Speaker 1: the Republic. It is like if your dad, you can
Speaker 1: kill your kids, like you have that right that that
Speaker 1: you have absolutely he talked back to you. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: you didn't hear about it being done a whole lot,
Speaker 1: but like you have that right. That was considered like
Speaker 1: the sacred right of not not a parent but a father. Um.
Speaker 1: And like yeah, there's even like in Rome there was
Speaker 1: this kind of attitude that like you're not really an
Speaker 1: adult as long as your dad is still around. Um.
Speaker 1: There was a whole lot of weird ship with fathers there.
Speaker 1: But like this goes back to if you look at
Speaker 1: fucking German society, there was very much this idea that
Speaker 1: the Kaiser is the father of the nation, and likewise
Speaker 1: the father should be the dictator of his family, the
Speaker 1: the unquestioned regent. Right, the Kaiser is this king that
Speaker 1: nobody can can can counter or question, and the father
Speaker 1: should be of the family the same thing, And this
Speaker 1: is a big part of why the Nazis do so
Speaker 1: well in Germany later, right, Like there's a lot of Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all in line with the idea. Yeah. So Thomas
Speaker 1: is very much like speaking as part of a tradition
Speaker 1: of attitudes towards what the rights of a father should be. Um,
Speaker 1: he just has decided that that's the core of what
Speaker 1: America and American law ought to be and what the
Speaker 1: founders are all sorts of all sorts of good ship,
Speaker 1: even though you could also look at the entire birth
Speaker 1: of this country is like the history of a child
Speaker 1: rebelling from its parent. But whatever, Like, there's no point
Speaker 1: in arguing this sort of thing. Um. So, for the
Speaker 1: first like twenty years that this guy is on the bench,
Speaker 1: there is a tendency among liberal critics to reduce Thomas
Speaker 1: to Justice Scalia's shadow. Now, this is due to his
Speaker 1: reputation as the silent Justice. Again, he never speaks for years.
Speaker 1: He doesn't say a single word during oral arguments. There's
Speaker 1: like a ten year period where he never speaks during
Speaker 1: oral arguments. Um. And while it's true that he does
Speaker 1: rule kind of the same way as Justice Scalia on
Speaker 1: about eighty five percent of cases while they're both alive,
Speaker 1: this is not really that exceptional or unusual. During the
Speaker 1: same period of time, Justice Bryant agreed with Justice Kagan
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the time, which nobody ever like
Speaker 1: talks about. Um. The claims that he was somehow copying
Speaker 1: Scalia were likely based in racism, and that in fact,
Speaker 1: people say the same thing about their good Marshal and
Speaker 1: one of the there's a white justice whose name I'm
Speaker 1: forgetting that was friends with Marshall. That are like, oh,
Speaker 1: Marshall just does the same thing as his friend, you know, Like, really,
Speaker 1: these these are I think both of these counts and
Speaker 1: his homework, Yeah, based on some racism. Um, The extant
Speaker 1: evidence suggests that Thomas really just did truly respect Scalia's
Speaker 1: ideas and jurisprudence. Since Scalia's death, Thomas has spoken more
Speaker 1: often in court and has repeatedly cited non judicial writings
Speaker 1: by his friend in his rulings. I found it right
Speaker 1: up in Politico by Professor Richard Primus of some law
Speaker 1: schooler another, which makes the case that Thomas now basically
Speaker 1: uses Scalia the way that he uses the Founders as
Speaker 1: a malleable ideological tool to reinforce whatever point he already
Speaker 1: wanted to make quote. Much of the time, Thomas will
Speaker 1: surely deploy Scalia in the name of a cause that
Speaker 1: Scalia would have endorsed himself. The two of them did
Speaker 1: agree on and awful lot, after all, but they were
Speaker 1: all also always different in the extent and flexibility of
Speaker 1: their originalism and the degree of their skepticism towards federal power,
Speaker 1: and in other ways as well. In the future, Scalia
Speaker 1: maybe molded to Thomas's own vision, and the longer Thomas serves,
Speaker 1: the more the Court's agenda will move beyond issues that
Speaker 1: Scalia directly confronted, thus giving Thomas even more freedom, whether
Speaker 1: by design or just by doing what comes naturally to him,
Speaker 1: to shape perceptions of what Scalia would have done. So
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Yeah, now that's yeah, that's It's like, it's
Speaker 1: like what puff Daddy does with Biggie. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's very puff Daddy and yeah, my homeboy Biggie, you
Speaker 1: know he's dead, but you'll respect the idea of the
Speaker 1: concept of it. Yeah, I just want to deploy that
Speaker 1: from my own purposes. I have often called uh Justice
Speaker 1: Scalia the Biggie Smalls of the Supreme Court. Um and
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas is puff daddy, absolutely no doubt, and Sandra
Speaker 1: Day O'Connor astop rock not going to explain that one.
Speaker 1: Just moving right along. Okay, So I'm not going to
Speaker 1: spend any more time laboring on Thomas's jurisprudence or the
Speaker 1: cases that he's ruled on. This is one of those
Speaker 1: things where like the worst of what he's done and
Speaker 1: is doing is actually pretty obvious to most people because
Speaker 1: it's happening constantly, So we we all spend enough time
Speaker 1: dealing with that. Mostly, I wanted to explain his background,
Speaker 1: where he came from, what's going on intellectually, and like
Speaker 1: what are his internal justifications for the things that he's
Speaker 1: doing when he tears rights away from people and forces
Speaker 1: his weird, demented views on the populace, which he will
Speaker 1: continue to do until something is done to take that
Speaker 1: power away from him. Um. So instead of going more
Speaker 1: into just like a list of his rulings on Supreme
Speaker 1: Court cases, I think we should close talking about Jenny Thomas.
Speaker 1: Oh great, yeah, yeah, yeah, you excited for this, Miles.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, behind every great porn that's right
Speaker 1: obsessed Supreme Court justice, I'd love to hear is an
Speaker 1: equally obsessed, uh porn obsessed person. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm let's take a look please. I mean, all I
Speaker 1: know is obviously the latest the reasons he's been popping
Speaker 1: in the news. But I definitely and I could I
Speaker 1: could know a lot more about Jennie Thomas. You're about
Speaker 1: to so. Clarence met Virginia lamp in early nineteen seven.
Speaker 1: She was a lawyer from Nebraska, and early on in
Speaker 1: their marriage she tended to be described as Clarence's opposite.
Speaker 1: Marion Abramson talked about her taking homeless strangers out to
Speaker 1: lunch and describe her sweet, naivete um. When they two
Speaker 1: first met, she worked for the Chamber of Commerce, where
Speaker 1: she was the Reagan administration spokesperson against family leave and
Speaker 1: comparable worth aka paying women for equal work equally right.
Speaker 1: That's Virginia lamp Is, Like, women shouldn't be getting equal
Speaker 1: pay maternity leave if they're going to be good mothers
Speaker 1: instead examples for their kids. She's doing the equal pay
Speaker 1: equivalent of supporting talking apartheid South Africa as like a
Speaker 1: prominent black guy. Yeah, exactly. Um, so she's cool. That's good.
Speaker 1: Lamp Is obviously very far right, and at one point
Speaker 1: she was close to join a cult, a group that
Speaker 1: was basically a cult. And I'm going to quote from
Speaker 1: Strange Justice here because this is a fun little side story.
Speaker 1: Miles Lamp was, if anything, more conservative than Thomas her father.
Speaker 1: Her family, well connected in a well to do had
Speaker 1: provided the backbone of gold Water support in Nebraska. Her father,
Speaker 1: a developer who had built some of the most exclusive
Speaker 1: gate of gated communities outside Omaha, was a party activist,
Speaker 1: as was her mother. When Lamp decided to move to Washington,
Speaker 1: her parents helped her find her first job there, a
Speaker 1: staff position in the Senate Office of Republican of Republican
Speaker 1: how Dab of Nebraska. While in the capital, Lamp joined
Speaker 1: an assertiveness training group called Life Spring. She became deeply
Speaker 1: involved in the group, but was troubled in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: five when during a Life Spring exercise exercise trainees were
Speaker 1: forced to take off all but a bikini to the
Speaker 1: tune of the stripper. As she described the incident, participants
Speaker 1: were pelted with questions about sex and urged to ridicule
Speaker 1: fat people's bodies. I had intellectually and emotionally got myself
Speaker 1: so wrapped up with this group that I was moving
Speaker 1: away from my family and my friends and the people
Speaker 1: that I work with. Lamp later admitted my best friend
Speaker 1: came to visit me as I was preaching, and I
Speaker 1: was preaching at her using this tough attitude they teach you.
Speaker 1: Now strange justice was written back in the nineties and
Speaker 1: as a result, they don't have a lot of to
Speaker 1: tail about Life Spring. Um, it's like a soft cult.
Speaker 1: It's one of those assertiveness trainings, like Guru training program
Speaker 1: type deals where you like sit around in circles and
Speaker 1: like everybody takes turns insulting one person at a time
Speaker 1: in order to like funk everybody up together and bond
Speaker 1: the group through trauma. It's one of those good things,
Speaker 1: one of those good things. But you don't have to
Speaker 1: live here. Honestly, I have to say this is one
Speaker 1: case where if no one had gotten her out of
Speaker 1: the cult, we'd probably be better off. Um, well, it
Speaker 1: sounds like she found sounds like she's pretty malleable. That
Speaker 1: old brain is pretty malleable. Yeah. In nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 1: a Seattle woman with asthma died after a Life Spring
Speaker 1: trainer told her that she didn't need to take her
Speaker 1: medicine anymore. Uh. In two with seattle Man's family sued
Speaker 1: Lifespring for convincing him that he was both Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: and the Devil. So this is a cool group. Um.
Speaker 1: So Lamp does get out of Lifespring uh sadly. And
Speaker 1: one of the first things that she finds after leaving
Speaker 1: this cult is Clarence Thomas, who she meets at an
Speaker 1: a d element about civil rights. So that's good from
Speaker 1: the cult. Right to Clarence. Uh. He gives her a
Speaker 1: right home, and in pretty short order, the two we're boning,
Speaker 1: or I'm assuming they're boning. There at least a romantic item.
Speaker 1: One has to assume the boning follows. Uh. Lamp introduced
Speaker 1: Thomas to a church, Truro Episcopal, where she went. It
Speaker 1: was a popular popular place for arch conservative Reagan Nights
Speaker 1: and profoundly anti abortion. The rector compared abortion to Holocaust
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. Over the following decades, Clarence and
Speaker 1: Jenny would have a life that often wove inappropriately between
Speaker 1: his duties as a Supreme Court justice and her career.
Speaker 1: Is a weirdo Republican operative From a write up by
Speaker 1: MSN quote. While at Heritage the Heritage Foundation in two thousands,
Speaker 1: Jenny Thomas gathered resumes for a possible George George W.
Speaker 1: Bush administration, but Clarence Thomas rebuffed all calls for him
Speaker 1: to recuse from the Bush v. Gore case decided that
Speaker 1: the election. Thomas cast the deciding vote in the five
Speaker 1: four ruling that made Bush president. In two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: seventy four House Democrats vote wrote to Clarence Thomas asking
Speaker 1: him to recuse from any cases involving the Affordable Care
Speaker 1: Act because of his wife's work for Heritage, which opposed
Speaker 1: the law. He declined and voted against upholding the law
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve. She's working with the nascent Bush
Speaker 1: administration before Bush v. Gore has decided. She's trying to
Speaker 1: overturn Obamacare. She's trying to overturn the election, said Gay Roth,
Speaker 1: executive director of Fixed the Court, which advocates for a
Speaker 1: more open and accountable federal judici judiciary. It's a real
Speaker 1: Forest Gump type existence that none of the other previous
Speaker 1: hundred odd Supreme Court spouses have lived. So that's good.
Speaker 1: It's good that Jesus that he didn't refuse himself from
Speaker 1: Bush v Gore Good that she's like a consistent hardcore
Speaker 1: political activist, and that that doesn't mean he has to
Speaker 1: recuse himself from anything that would absolutely screened if the
Speaker 1: same thing is happening on the left. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh you want text messages from January six? I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, if my wife is anything whatever you get,
Speaker 1: yes said, it makes so much so, I mean, just
Speaker 1: to be flipping for a moment that someone who's coming
Speaker 1: from like a verbal abuse cult, like goes on a
Speaker 1: date with creepyl. Yeah, this guy is so cool. He's
Speaker 1: actually the best, the nicest person I've ever met. He's
Speaker 1: much better than the last cult that I was in, um,
Speaker 1: which I don't know. Some people will argue that she's
Speaker 1: the one who's kind of leading him around. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they both are shitty people who found each
Speaker 1: other and who's desired to hurt the world. Come on,
Speaker 1: a black man just funk up the world on his own, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's just a case of true
Speaker 1: love between people who want to make the world worse.
Speaker 1: You don't need to take agency away from either of them,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever, whatever is going on. There is just
Speaker 1: it's unbelievably horrible. Um, but you know, anyway, Jenny Thomas
Speaker 1: is now in the news because she was kind of
Speaker 1: order directly involved in a violent attempt to overthrew the government,
Speaker 1: overthrow the government and institute a dictatorship. In the days
Speaker 1: leading up to January six, she sent twenty one messages
Speaker 1: to Mark Meadows urging him to overturn the results. Help
Speaker 1: this great president stand firm, Mark, she wrote in one
Speaker 1: of them. In response to November twenty four text from
Speaker 1: Meadows that he was intent on fighting for Trump's victory,
Speaker 1: Jenny Thomas replied, thank you needed that this plus a
Speaker 1: conversation with my best friend just now. I will try
Speaker 1: to keep holding on America is worth it now. The
Speaker 1: emails don't make clear who the best friend Jenny Thomas
Speaker 1: was referring to, although she has repeatedly called Clarence Thomas
Speaker 1: her best friend because he's her husband. Uh yeah, that's good. Um.
Speaker 1: That said, she denies all this publicly. In an interview
Speaker 1: with The Washington Free Beacon, a right wing news site,
Speaker 1: she said Clarence doesn't discuss his work with me, and
Speaker 1: I don't involve him in my work. I'm sure that's true.
Speaker 1: There's more more will be coming out, probably has dropped
Speaker 1: by the time this comes out. There's like more on
Speaker 1: her and jan six. This is all and maybe she'll
Speaker 1: get she might get charged. Like that's not impossible at
Speaker 1: this stage, given where we are. I don't think it's likely. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know people are talking about it. I don't
Speaker 1: think anything's ever gonna happen to Clarence Thomas other than
Speaker 1: he will continue to get his way, uh and have
Speaker 1: some of the real weird conversations with people. Yep. So
Speaker 1: how do you feel, Miles? Um? Pretty weird? Um, But
Speaker 1: you know, just I just gotta keep on keeping on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as we say. You know, Miles, what this reminds me of,
Speaker 1: this conversation between you and I, m is a little
Speaker 1: a little thing that Jesus Christ said to his disciples
Speaker 1: when he was preaching preaching on that mountain, Miles, m h.
Speaker 1: And he said to them, you know, the world is
Speaker 1: full of the minions of Satan, but you know what
Speaker 1: will protect you from the minions of Satan is the
Speaker 1: precious metals held in a catalytic converter. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: Get one of them, Get them all. Catch them absolutely,
Speaker 1: got to catch them all. Jesus Christ said that, Marko,
Speaker 1: that's right. But the worries of this life, the deceitfulness
Speaker 1: of wealth, and the desires for other things come and
Speaker 1: choke the world, making it unfruitful without catalytic converters. Okay,
Speaker 1: the word of him, Thanks be to him. Yep, oh,
Speaker 1: that's so sick. You get the Jesus fish. But like
Speaker 1: with catalytic converters, right, that's right. Who ah, you love
Speaker 1: me so had to pivot away from the darkness for
Speaker 1: fucking judicial Yes, yeah, what else are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's uh, that's Clarence Thomas sick. Thanks uh
Speaker 1: for making me feel a lot better about this. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's how I feel. I feel a lot better about
Speaker 1: this because you got to know what you're up again, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and he he is aware of the effect that, you know,
Speaker 1: the Dobbs decision has on you know, adult film performers, right.
Speaker 1: You know that is interesting because I wonder if he's like,
Speaker 1: maybe because his wife's super religious, she's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something weird going on there are his ability
Speaker 1: to watch porn. Now, I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: no fucking way, no fucking way. Maybe that's his his thing.
Speaker 1: He just wants a strong woman to tell him he's
Speaker 1: not allowed to watch porn and hit him every time
Speaker 1: he tries to. Maybe that's what gets him off. We
Speaker 1: don't know. With a rolled up newspaper, Yeah, in a
Speaker 1: bowl full of corn flakes, all right, right, who knows? Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: you got any plug doubles miles. Yeah, just you know,
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