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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the podcast where once

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Speaker 1: again Miles and I are talking about the well known

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Speaker 1: fact that I'm a much better basketball player than Lebron James.

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Speaker 1: So how are we doing? You're not? But I, like

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Speaker 1: Lebron has never done the the five pointer shots that

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Speaker 1: I make all the time. Definitely not. That's definitely not.

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Speaker 1: That's when he did. Is not wetty like yours? No

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Speaker 1: wetti thank you. That's exactly the slang that I know

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Speaker 1: what means. It's so funny, how stupid you sounded so funny.

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Speaker 1: You know what else is funny, Sophie. I was gonna

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Speaker 1: say something really mean, and then I stopped myself. What well,

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Speaker 1: you know what I did is I spent time, because

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Speaker 1: I'm not a mean person like you, reading from the Bible,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Good Book, which we're all supposed to

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Speaker 1: do every day. And I found a relevant quote from

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Speaker 1: the Bible. And I just gonna read this bit of

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Speaker 1: Mark sixteen because I think from Playboy Magazine August of nine,

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Speaker 1: that's somebody's Bible. No, I I think we could use

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Speaker 1: a little bit more religion on this podcast. And uh,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna this this this verse from the Bible,

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Speaker 1: save us, Robert cherish ye all the catalytic converters that

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Speaker 1: that frolic and frock in the streets around you, and

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Speaker 1: never let them stay in the car with which they

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Speaker 1: were initially assembled, and instead take for ye all the

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Speaker 1: precious metals they contain and use them to buy street

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Speaker 1: drugs under bridges. M that's I mean, let's just bring

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Speaker 1: it down one more time due Toonomy eight. But remember

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Speaker 1: the Lord your God, for it is he who gives

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Speaker 1: you the ability to produce wealth through the theft of

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Speaker 1: catalytic converters, which he swore to your ancestors. As it

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Speaker 1: is today. I mean, and this is why the Bible is,

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Speaker 1: This is why I want to get this ship tadded.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's so powerful. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: anyone disagreeing with that. This is not funny. So is

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Speaker 1: my religion. Don't don't play with Miles. I think we

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Speaker 1: might have to get HR involved, because if I remember

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Speaker 1: the classes that I did not take, the HR takes

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Speaker 1: a stick. We're not allowed to demean a co workers religion.

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Speaker 1: Gart you're still gonning emails about that. I have not

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Speaker 1: checked those emails in months. Sophie. Um So, Miles, we're

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Speaker 1: back talking about Clarence Thomas. What's a good nickname for

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas? Uh m hmm. I feel like it's some

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Speaker 1: kind of like a good nickname is some kind of

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Speaker 1: definitely there has to be like something pornographic there which

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Speaker 1: he would appreciate personally, as someone who uncontrollably talks about

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Speaker 1: porn grafity to every single person that he has for

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Speaker 1: think about that. I mean, I'll challenge the listeners for

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Speaker 1: that something good, some good. I was gonna go with

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Speaker 1: Lex Luthor, but mainly because I think Clarence tom Well

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Speaker 1: is he bald am? I just imagining that Clarence Thomas

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Speaker 1: the day and Elijah Wood attempts to throw his his

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Speaker 1: do it, and then Clarence Thomas tackles them out of

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Speaker 1: self reliance, and in Thomas's evolving view, things like affirmative

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Speaker 1: agree that she was a tremendously ambitious young woman. She

425
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Speaker 1: got into Yale, she was offered a prestigious job at

426
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Speaker 1: a major law firm, and she was eventually recommended for

427
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Speaker 1: a job under Clarence Thomas at the Department of ed Ocasion.

428
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Speaker 1: So she is a poor working class girl who works very,

429
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Speaker 1: very hard, makes good, and gets a prestigious job earlier

430
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Speaker 1: in her career working under Clarence Thomas at the d

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Speaker 1: o E, which is like a big deal for her, um,

432
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: would be a big deal for anybody in her situation. UM.

433
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Speaker 1: And initially she and Clarence have a good working relationship.

434
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Speaker 1: They're very friendly, but with not in in not a

435
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: whole lot of time, he graduates to heavy unwanted flirtation

436
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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna quote from Strange Justice again. Thomas began

437
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: to ask her out socially three to five months after

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Speaker 1: she began working for him in July nineteen one. According

439
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Speaker 1: to Hill, his approach was unusual. Rather than asking her

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Speaker 1: to join him for a specific date or event, like

441
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Speaker 1: a movie or dinner. He expressed his interest as a

442
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: casual command, saying, you ought to go out with me sometime.

443
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: She turned him down firmly. She recalled, explaining that she

444
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Speaker 1: enjoyed her work and believed it ill advised to date

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Speaker 1: a supervisor. But he would not take no for an

446
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: answer and dead she testified, and the following weeks he

447
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: continued to ask me out. On several occasions, he pressed

448
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: me to justify my reasons for saying no to him.

449
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: So that's not that's bad. You ought to go out

450
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: what you ought to go out with me? You know,

451
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: you ought to go out with me? That's it? Was

452
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: he a Jedi? What the fund is that supposed to do? Yeah?

453
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: This is? This is then you're looking for and he's

454
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: and he's married at this point. Uh no, no he is,

455
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: Well when when does he when does he get remarried?

456
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: Eight seven? So yeah, this would have been because because

457
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: they start working in like eighty one. So yes, he's

458
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Speaker 1: this is he's in between wives, I think at this point. Okay,

459
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: in between ones. Okay, got you, got you? Got you? Yeah, sorry,

460
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: I just wanted to where he's yeah, this starts in

461
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: between wives. Um, so yeah, uh that's not great. Uh.

462
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: He'll later testified that Thomas never threaten to fire her

463
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Speaker 1: if she did not date him or anything like that,

464
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: but that he pressured her so much that it was

465
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: impossible for her to like do her job. He talked

466
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: about sex, constantly calling her into the office to discuss

467
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: work matters and then pivoting at once to gratuitous descriptions

468
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: of fucking h quote. His conversations were very vivid. He

469
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: spoke of acts that he had seen in pornographic films

470
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: involving such matters as women having sex with animals and

471
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: films showing group sex or rape scenes. He talked about

472
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: pornographic materials depicting individuals with large penises or large breasts

473
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: involved in various sex acts On various occasions, Thomas told

474
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: me graphically of his own sexual prowess, mentioning at one

475
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: point that he had measured his penis, which he said

476
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: was larger than most. I would say, that's not a

477
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: good working environment. That's not like you shouldn't like. That

478
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: should probably get you in trouble anywhere, unless you're like,

479
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: unless if you are a porn producer. That's probably appropriate

480
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Speaker 1: work conversation. I will say that if you are in

481
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: the pornographic film industry, then that's probably relevant more or

482
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: less normal conversation. Relevant you're describing work in this you're

483
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: supposed to be some kind of Yeah, you're the chairman

484
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: of the E O C. Or you're you're working at

485
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: the Department of Education. Neither of those are places I

486
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: would say that that's appropriate conversation. This is like when

487
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, like it's so bad too where Yeah, to

488
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: any person you're like that, you know, you know, no,

489
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: you should know. You wouldn't if you were fucking driving

490
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: with a friend on a road trip and they started

491
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: having this conversation, like you would probably be like, hey,

492
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: this has to stop. Like this is not I don't

493
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: want to talk with you about this. Like I'm not again,

494
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: very pro porn here, not a prude here, but you know,

495
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: like somebody if again, if my boss calls me into

496
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: his office and it's like, you know, I was watching

497
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: a video of a woman having sex with an animal.

498
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about how the horses penis? Would

499
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: I what I saw it doing when it displaced her

500
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: belly and like that's like I gotta write these cracked articles. Man,

501
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: you gotta give me time. Jesus. Wow wow wow, Miles

502
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: no comment. That's that's that's that's uh wow. Miles Gray's

503
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: last appearance on podcast Everybody. So this is like bad.

504
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say bad. Also, describing your

505
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: own penis, that's really definitely a clear line you shouldn't

506
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that to your coworkers. Um. Now, when these

507
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: allegations came out during the confirmation process, Thomas took an

508
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: interesting approach to handling them. Right, So he'll she only

509
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: spends like a day being question but like, now this

510
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: comes out and it becomes there's this huge media thing

511
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: about it. People are making a big deal. But which

512
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: they should. I'm not saying they're making a big deal

513
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: about it like it's bad too. This is a problem. Um.

514
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: Thomas takes an interesting approached responding to it. Now. The

515
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: smart play might have been to apologize for making her

516
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, right, or to say like, I'm sorry, you

517
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: know I was joking. I'm sorry that my jokes made

518
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's good. I want to be clear here,

519
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that would make it Okay, I'm saying

520
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: that might be the smart play, as like a guy

521
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: trying to get out of trouble, not at least deny.

522
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 1: You know this is a you know, I have this.

523
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time working around a lot

524
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: of guys. You know what's uh, you know we we

525
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: we we make these jokes all the time. And I

526
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: was just making jokes with her, like with any colleague.

527
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that I it made her feel uncomfortable,

528
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: right like that that would be probably what most men

529
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: in his position would do. Um, again, that's bad. But

530
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying that, like that's the that's the normal, right

531
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: or societal flow of events typically is like that. He

532
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: doesn't do that. Instead, he denies ever speaking to her

533
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: about sex at all, and he also denies ever having

534
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: similar conversations within the workplace at any point in time. Now,

535
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: this is an obvious lie. Virtually every close co worker

536
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: and colleague of Clarence Thomas has experiences which they later

537
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: told to Press, many under their own names, of him

538
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: talking about pornography and making weirdly explicit sex jokes. This

539
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: is a constant experience. People who are friends with him

540
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: and who worked with him have had over the course

541
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: of decades. Multiple women who have worked with Thomas over

542
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: the years have recounted identical experiences. Now, I'm not going

543
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: to go into tremendous detail about Professor Hill. She later

544
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: becomes a professor. Now she's Professor Hill. Um. I'm not

545
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: going to go into a tremendous amount of detail about

546
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: her allegations, other than to say that they are very

547
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: credible and they are backed up by the recollections of

548
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: multiple people that she discussed Thomas's behavior with at the time,

549
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: and also the experience of like several dozen people who

550
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: knew him socially and professionally in the years before he

551
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: was nominated to the Supreme Court. What I will do

552
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 1: is recount for you one more anecdote to make a

553
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: point of how relentless his inappropriate sexual behavior at truly was.

554
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: And here's Mayer and Abrams and Abramson again quote. One

555
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: of the oddest of Hill's recollections was that one day,

556
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: when she and Thomas were working in his office, he

557
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: got up from the table where he had been sitting

558
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: with her, went over to his desk to retrieve a

559
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: can of Coca cola, and after staring at it demanded

560
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: to know who has put pubic hair on my coke?

561
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: I didn't have a clue how to interpret that. Hill testified,

562
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: I did not know. It was a strange comment for me.

563
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 1: I thought it was inappropriate, but I did not know

564
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: what he meant. In the hearings, Thomas sounded equally baffled

565
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: and defended by such language. Asked by Senator or in

566
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: Hatch if he had ever said such a thing, Thomas replied, No,

567
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Now, Miles, that's horseship, and we know it's

568
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: horseshit because Meyer and Abramson, being good reporters, went and

569
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 1: talked to a bunch of his co workers and we're like,

570
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: you ever make any comments about like a coke and

571
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: a pubic hair to you? And boy, howdy do a

572
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: lot of people have the exact same experience Anita Hill did,

573
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: This is like a thing for him. Quote so cool, Yeah,

574
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: just just let me let me get this through and

575
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: then we could talk about it, miles. Quote. Marguerite Donnelly,

576
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: a senior trial attorney at the E. E E O C.

577
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: Until she went into private practice in nineteen eighty six,

578
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: distinctly recalled being told by a co worker in the

579
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties that Chairman Thomas had said, and I

580
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: thought it was in the presence of several people, that

581
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: there was a pubic hair on his can of coke.

582
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: Donnelly says she told her husband Alan Danoff, who was

583
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: an attorney at the e o C until nineteen eighty five,

584
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: about the peculiar comment. When interviewed, dan Off confirmed this.

585
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: We certainly did hear about it back then, he said.

586
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: Thomas's aide Michael Middleton, also said that he heard about

587
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: he heard the pubic hair story associated with Thomas before

588
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, when he too left the e o C.

589
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: I have this vision of Clarence at the e o

590
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: C picking up a coke and saying, who put this

591
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: pubic hair on my coke? Recalled Middleton, formerly Thomas's principal

592
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: deputy at the Department of Education and Associate General Counsel

593
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: at the e o C and now a professor at

594
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: law at University of Missouri Columbia. Middleton also remembered telling

595
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: us why about it at the time During the hearings,

596
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: He said, he turned to her and asked if she

597
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: remembered the story, and she told him that she did so.

598
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: Like that's a lot of people to know about you,

599
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: like picking up cokes in the office and being like,

600
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: why is there a pube on this coke? Like that's

601
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have had that who are like, oh, yeah,

602
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: that's a thing Clarence does. This stupid fucking thing to

603
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: also be known for. It's a really stupid thing to

604
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: be known for, a really stupid creepy thing to be

605
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: known for. Ye, And we're again throughout all these episodes, right,

606
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm just like we're putting together this backstory of a

607
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: person who now is one of the most as most

608
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: of one of the most powerful people on the planet. Yes,

609
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: and is can skull fuck the earth people's rights whatever

610
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: the funk they want with just because because of their

611
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: fucking shitty road here. And also somebody who has also

612
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: been afforded like some of the worst parts of like

613
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, society, like benefiting from all kinds of ship

614
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: that also gives him this like terrible sense of potency

615
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: and like righteousness and ship and all of it's coming

616
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: together to like you, we're just watching it all play

617
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: out now that really is kind of alarm and just

618
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: feels like most Yeah anyway, sorry, Yeah, I would say here,

619
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: and here's what I would say that it's good. M hmmm. Anyway,

620
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: that's the end of the episode. Everything's fine. Look whoms

621
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: whoms among us? Right has not? You know, everybody's coworkers

622
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: have stories about them. For example, some of us might

623
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: have a history of you know, sneaking into people's houses

624
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: at night and rubbing various poisonous plants on on children's

625
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: clothing in order to make kids stuffer. Right, Like, nobody's perfect.

626
00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, much of jail broken Amazon fire sticks of course,

627
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: who hasn't done that? Right? Or offer up you can, honestly,

628
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: bro for one fifty you'll get all the channels, you'll

629
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Speaker 1: get access to. This won't plex server, it's real already

630
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: has Waconda forever on it. And he's not. And here's

631
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: the thing about Miles is being very humble. Here's the

632
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: thing he's not going to say about these hundred and

633
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: fifty dollar firesticks that he's selling. They absolutely will not

634
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Speaker 1: steal your data so that people can can can make

635
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Speaker 1: PayPal payments on what I'm here. I'm here absolutely and

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Speaker 1: I just won't happen. I just I'm only here for

637
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Speaker 1: the first transaction. I'm going to swipe your data information

638
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: because just like Clarence Thomas isn't getting on the Supreme

639
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: Court in order to destroy a woman's right to choose.

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00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: He's not going to do that. He doesn't even think

641
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: about that kind of He didn't even think about it,

642
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: never would never think about it. He didn't even know

643
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: about it. Um anyway, Clarence Thomas gets confirmed by the

644
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: narrowest margins of any Supreme Court justice in history up

645
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: to that point. I think, still to this day, maybe

646
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Speaker 1: Kavin I'll beat him. I didn't check on that. I

647
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Speaker 1: should have. I would have if I wasn't a hack

648
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: in a fraud. But he gets confirmed, right, That's all

649
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: that matters. It's like the thing that people say about,

650
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: like what do you call the doctor who ranked last

651
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: in medical class doctor? Like he's still he's on the

652
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: fucking Supreme Court. Doesn't matter that it was narrow yeah, yeah. Now.

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00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: It is worth noting that when Hill told the Senate

654
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee about what Thomas had done, Senator Joe Biden

655
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: insisted her name not be used and that Thomas not

656
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: be told of the allegations, which seriously limited the Senate

657
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Committee's options in terms of actually doing anything about this.

658
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: Joe has been accused of kind of acting to hush

659
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: it up. Um, weird, Joe. Good thing that guy doesn't

660
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: come up later in the story. Anyway, an FBI investigation

661
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: was suggested and it was determined that Thomas had done

662
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. So they look into it for like a

663
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: couple of days, and they're like, it's fine, he didn't

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Speaker 1: do anything. Weird, And I guess legally none of this

665
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: is really illegal, especially since he helped change the definition

666
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: of sexual harassment in the workplace, was right exactly. Yeah, yet,

667
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: so that's cool. Uh. Anita Hill gets absolutely savaged by

668
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: right wing media. Very few people who have been like

669
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: more brutally attacked by the right than her. Um, and yeah,

670
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: it's it's it's an early period of time. Although at

671
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: this point a majority of Americans when pold say, they

672
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: believe her side of the story. I'm calling it that

673
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: not because I think there's actually sides to this, but

674
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, she's been vindicated in

675
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: addition to the fact that other allegations against Thomas have

676
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: come out in the years since, Like, she's been extremely vindicated.

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00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: Professor Hill, you know seems to have have have done

678
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Speaker 1: her best, and I have nothing but the best wishes

679
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: for her anyway. At this point, she has been backed

680
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: up repeatedly by allegations made by multiple women and the

681
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: recollections of numerous colleagues. Thomas, for his part, has been

682
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: the remainder of his life since then, Enraged at liberals

683
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: for questioning his honor and damaging his reputation, there are

684
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: claims that he promised to make their lives absolute hell

685
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: in revenge for what had been done. Whatever the truth,

686
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: Thomas lost no time in being the worst judge he

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00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: could possibly be. And I'm gonna quote from the New

688
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: Yorker here. In the nine case Missouri versus Jenkins, the

689
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: Court's conservative majority held that federal courts could not force

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00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: Missouri to adopt policies designed to entice suburban white students

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00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: to predominantly black urban schools. Thomas joined the majority and

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00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: the courts private deliberations about the case. He argued, in

693
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: the paraphrase of a profile of Thomas and The New Yorker,

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Speaker 1: I am the only one at this table who has

695
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: attended a segregated school. And the problem with segregation was

696
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: not that we didn't have white people in our class.

697
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: The problem was that we didn't have equal facilities. We

698
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: didn't have heating, we didn't have books, and we had

699
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: rickety chairs all my classmates and I wanted was the

700
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: choice to attend the mostly black are mostly white school

701
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: and to have the same resources in whatever school we choose.

702
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: This private sentiment made its way into Thomas's public statement

703
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: about the case. His concurrence in Missouri v. Jenkins was

704
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: the only opinion. Legal scholar Mark Greber argues that questioned

705
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: whether desegregation was a constitutional value. If anything, Thomas believes

706
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Speaker 1: that the state should, where it can within the law,

707
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: support the separation of the races. Looking back on his

708
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: education in an all black environment, Thomas has admitted to

709
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: wanting to turn back the clock to a time when

710
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: we had our own schools. Much of his jurisprudence is

711
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: devoted to undoing the Grand Experiment, which he believes himself

712
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: to be a victim of. As he made clear in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eight six, I have been the guinea pig for

714
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: many social experiments on social minorities. To all who would

715
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: continue these experiments, I say, please no more. Oh, my god,

716
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: when we had our own schools. Wood Oh, He's literally

717
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: saying separate but equal is fine? What a fucking backwards?

718
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, everything's back Yeah, going back in time. Yeah,

719
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Speaker 1: what it's charitable description when we had our own schools,

720
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: when we had our own schools. Yeah, okay, well that's yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good. It's good that he's on the Supreme Court.

722
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: But you know what else is good, miles m goods

723
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: and services. Yeah, the products and services that support this podcast,

724
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, including and a lot of people don't know this,

725
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: but we are. We are supported by the segregation industry. Um,

726
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: so hop on down, not even funny Sophie, what do

727
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: you what do you want? What do you want here?

728
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: I have to do so many ad pivots. It's a

729
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: bigger picture thing. I guess he's saying, Yeah, what is

730
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Speaker 1: it I am talking about? Yes, next is primarily spins

731
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: all UP put its profits into supporting a return to

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00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: segregation laws, for sure. So if you are we allowed

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Speaker 1: to make that claim about no, okay, well, doesn't barrage

734
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: you with fucking trailers that play even when you don't

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Speaker 1: ask them too. And so if you make the mistake

736
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Speaker 1: of ever clicking on your your your computer and tea,

737
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: that Chris has to bleep everything because that's what's happening.

738
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Speaker 1: You don't have to bleep a factual statement about a company.

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00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: Sophie and I hate what they do with their fucking

740
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Speaker 1: auto playing. It's really sucking, annoying. It's horrible. It's the worst.

741
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: It's terrible. And that's why the official I Heart Radio

742
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: stances pirate shows. I'm sorry, Chris for all the bleeps

743
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: you have to put in. Don't believe that part though. Anyway,

744
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: here's adds. Oh we're back. You know. I was just

745
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: engaging in my hobby, which is taking the profits we

746
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Speaker 1: get from the catalytic converters that Miles steals and turning

747
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: them into buying large numbers of flash drives, which I

748
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: then put torrented copies of the show Stranger Things on,

749
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: and I just leave them lying around town in a

750
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: variety of places. Um, I don't watch the show. I

751
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: haven't ever seen it. Don't don't intend to, just like

752
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: to help other people pirate. True, you have ranted to me.

753
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: You you and hand or Hannah both have opinions on

754
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: this show. Well, okay, I watched season one, but I've

755
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: pirated the others and I hand them out to people.

756
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: You know why I do that, Sophie, because just one

757
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: time I was having a conversation with somebody and was

758
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: trying to put on a show that was on and

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00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: dreamed at me so loud that I felt momentarily uncomfortable,

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00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: and as a result, I am going to war against them.

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00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: That's will because earlier you, when I said something you

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00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: didn't like, you said you are like Papa. I don't

763
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: know what that joke means. I love that joke. Miles, Uh, Robert,

764
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: continue with all the borking that needs to be done

765
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: with the rest of the script. Yeah, bork out with

766
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Speaker 1: your corks out everybody. So yeah, Um, anyway, that's Clarence

767
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: Thomas h anti integration, separate, equal pro guy. This piss

768
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: is off a lot of people. Rosa Park goes after him. Um,

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Speaker 1: she says at the time, he has had all the

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00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: advantages of affirmative action and he went against it. Um.

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00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: If you've piste off Rosa Parks, you're probably bad. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be like what the owner of Little Caesar's

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00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: like pay for her house. Yes, I did hear that, Yes,

774
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: and Little Caesars because of that. What's fucked up is

775
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: that's good marketing. Because and I want to think of

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00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: Rosa Parks, I think a little Caesar's and I feel

777
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: bad about that, but I like crazy bread. They're crazy

778
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: bread is pretty good. But I have to say, like,

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00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: if I think about like the things that would make

780
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: me feel like a dogshit person, having Rosa Parks talk

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00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: shit about me, like, that's hard if you have any

782
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: kind of shame, that's that's a hard one to little

783
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: because it's not like it's not like Rosa Parks is

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Speaker 1: doing like a fucking daily fucking live stream, so or

785
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: she's gonna have takes on everything. It's like, yo, she

786
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Speaker 1: had to come off the bench fucking suit up for

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Speaker 1: this tape at Yeah. So in The Enigma of Claire,

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Speaker 1: It's Thomas Corey. Robin makes the case that over the

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Speaker 1: course of his time in power, Thomas has arrived at

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00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: a fairly consistent set of beliefs about the Constitution. His constitution,

791
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: the one that he believes in, is not the Constitution

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00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: as it presently like exists, or even the one that

793
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: he really rules on. But it's actually two separate documents.

794
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: There's the Original Constitution, which is the Constitution as it

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00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: existed at the founding of the United States. And then

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00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: there is the Black Constitution, which is the one that

797
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: existed after the Civil War and the Reconstruction amendments that

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00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: bought brought black people into the country as on paper

799
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: equal citizens quote. Thomas's Black Constitution looks nothing like that

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Speaker 1: progressive enterprise. Far from making the United States racially egalitarian

801
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Speaker 1: and humane, far from creating a multiracial democracy, the Black

802
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: Constitution features a society that is violent, racist, and regressive,

803
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: a mix of mad max and do the right thing.

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00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: The centerpiece of that constitution is the Second Amendment, reinterpreted

805
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: via the Fourteenth Amendment as applying not just to the

806
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: federal government but also to the states. The individual's right

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00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: to bear arms is what Thomas sees as the black

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Speaker 1: man's main protection against a rampaging white supremacy, the critical

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Speaker 1: right that the new constitutional order provides. There are no

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Speaker 1: cooperative institutions of racial equality and democratic mutuality and Thomas's

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Speaker 1: political vision. There are no union leagues, no Freedman's Bureau,

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00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: no interracial politics and parties. There is only the defiant

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00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: black man, reliant upon his constitutional right to arm himself

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Speaker 1: and defend his family against white marauders. For Thomas, the

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Speaker 1: broaden Second Amendment with a attendant vision of a racialized

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00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: society armed to the teeth is the keystone of the

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00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: constitutional transformation that emancipation has wrought. Now, that might seem

818
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: like a bleak vision of the country to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: I find that kind of negative. Um, in a lot

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00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: of ways. I find that negative as a guy who's

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00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: like pretty supportive of the right to bear arms. Yeah yeah,

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00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean it's like maybe it's like mutually assured destruction.

823
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: There should be no of all rights other than the

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00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: right to shoot each other. Um, that's and that's all

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00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: I gotta say about that. It's like, that's not idea.

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Speaker 1: What people do you live within this? Yeah? Um yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you know, obviously, Thomas is very popular on the

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Speaker 1: far right. A former U S attorney under George W. Bush,

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Speaker 1: who helped write one of Thomas's recent memoirs, called him

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Speaker 1: the quote greatest living American, which is a title you

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Speaker 1: can find in a bunch of Fox News and other

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00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: right wing articles about him. They love calling him that,

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Speaker 1: but his support of the Second Amendment isn't, Robin argues,

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Speaker 1: based on support for the kind of oathkeeper proud boy

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Speaker 1: style militias popular on the fascist right today. Quote. When

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Speaker 1: white conservatives think of the white to bear arms, they

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Speaker 1: imagine sturdy white colonials firing their muskets at redcoats and

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00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: then mustering and militias, or modern day whites gardening their

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Speaker 1: doorways against government tyranny and black criminals. Thomas sees black

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Speaker 1: slaves arming themselves against their masters, black freedmen defending their

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Speaker 1: rights against white terrorists, and black men protecting their families

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00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: from a residual and regnant white supremacy. Thomas's McDonald opinion

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00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: returns repeatedly to scenes of white terror and black revolt.

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Speaker 1: No other justice in McDonald devoted nearly as much attention

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Speaker 1: to the violence of the black struggle against slavery and

846
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: the violence of the white struggle to restore slavery, and

847
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: this is again white. Thomas sees the second to speaking

848
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: to an individual right, and why he's also consistently against

849
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: bands of categories on categories of weapons like handguns or

850
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: assault weapons. This is interesting because it showcases one of

851
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: the many ways in which Thomas is kind of inconsistent

852
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: in his Second Amendment jurisprudence. In particular, Thomas has shown

853
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: a particular willingness to slash through state laws he sees

854
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: his violating elements of the Black Constitution. But Thomas is

855
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: also a believer in the White Constitution, which he sees

856
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: as flawed but possessing valuable characteristics, particularly the tendency to

857
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: devolve power back to the states. Robin makes a note

858
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: of Thomas's opinion in two thousand fifteens Broomfeld v. Kane

859
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: as particularly enlightening. Here the case was about whether prisoners

860
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: with intellectual disability should be disqualified from receiving the death penalty.

861
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: The murderer in this case, Kevin Broomfeldt, had been abandoned

862
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: by his father as a child and eventually murdered a

863
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: police officer during a robbery. In his decision, Thomas contrasted

864
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: Broomfield's case with the murder victim's son, Warwick Dunn, who

865
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: was also abandoned by his father. Dunn's mom was killed

866
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: when he was eighteen, and he successfully raised his five

867
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: younger brothers and sisters while earning a position in the NFL.

868
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: Thomas noted that Dunn quote did not use the absence

869
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: of a father figure as a justification for murder. Now

870
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: obviously this story is potent father for a lot of

871
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: father for a lot of think pieces. But many people

872
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: at the time noted that it was kind of weird

873
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: for Thomas to spend so much time on it during

874
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: his like judgment on the case, because it has nothing

875
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: to do with the actual murder itself. Um, and it's

876
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: kind of weird for him to use that platform to

877
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: randomly contrast to black men when the case is about

878
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: whether or not broomfield sentence is just justice. Alito was

879
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: so weird it out by this, but that even though

880
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: he agreed with Clarence Thomas on the broad strokes, he

881
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: wrote a separate dec in order to avoid including this

882
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: tangent in his argument because he was like, I don't know, man,

883
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: that's kind of fucking weird. What Yeah. Yeah, Even Scully

884
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: is like, dude, I'm sorry, I wonder because if Clarence

885
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: Thomas again, like you know, like you said, it's chaos

886
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: in his mind and then he just suddenly like reflectively,

887
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: it just was like, and the difference between these two

888
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: black men, yeah, is that one of them? Yeah? Excuse me,

889
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: that's not what we're talking about, Clarence. Um, oh yeah, right.

890
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: And and Corey Robbins book makes clear that the rest

891
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: of Thomas's descent is just as bug quote. For Thomas, however,

892
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: it was indeed essential to the legal analysis. At the

893
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: heart of his White Constitution is a vision of two

894
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: different kinds of black men, one who wills himself to

895
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: become a patriarch and another who wastes life his own

896
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: and others. In the absence of that patriarch, the liberal

897
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: state Thomas believes would protect the second, his White Constitution

898
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: would help to produce the first. Done example, notwithstanding the

899
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: actively of father is mostly a fantasy figure in Thomas's jurisprudence,

900
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: a stern man of no particular racial identity, Thomas's patriarch

901
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: once helmed the republic, instructing, chastising, and punishing his children

902
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: in the interest of their development as moral beings and

903
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: good citizens. In the beginning, Thomas proposes in one opinion,

904
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: fathers ruled families with absolute authority. That authority was critical

905
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: to the moral health of the nation, for it fostered

906
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: children who learned the virtues and values of the republic.

907
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: And despite changes in the polity and parenting styles over

908
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: the years, Thomas says, people still believe that parents. Thomas

909
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: alternatively depicts the authority figure as paternal and parental have

910
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: authority over their children. The father is the head of

911
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: the household, Thomas writes in another opinion, quoting from an

912
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: earlier president, and has the responsibility and the authority for

913
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: the discipline, training, and control of his children. That authority

914
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: is based on the societal understanding of superior and inferior

915
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: in cases about the rights of miners. Thomas freely drops

916
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: phrases like the continued subjection to the parental will and

917
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: total parental control over children's lives. He's don't like that, yeah, yeah,

918
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: and again he's like also like making this like dad

919
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: that he thinks he wishes he had to Yeah that

920
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: he pretends his grandpa was when he's talking to the right,

921
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: but it really was just absent from his life, yes,

922
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: And then trying to like then shape a society where

923
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: like this dad exists that he like idealizes too. It's

924
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: so we're all missing a dictator dad, which is like

925
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: this is Thomas didn't invent this concept. In Rome, they

926
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: called the head of the house the head of the family,

927
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: which was generally like the oldest man, right of like

928
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: even if you were a kid, your grandfather would be

929
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: this the pattern familius, right, and you had the right

930
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: as the father to execute your children at any time.

931
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: Like that was like a thing in Roman law during

932
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: the Republic. It is like if your dad, you can

933
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: kill your kids, like you have that right that that

934
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: you have absolutely he talked back to you. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,

935
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: you didn't hear about it being done a whole lot,

936
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: but like you have that right. That was considered like

937
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: the sacred right of not not a parent but a father. Um.

938
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: And like yeah, there's even like in Rome there was

939
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: this kind of attitude that like you're not really an

940
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: adult as long as your dad is still around. Um.

941
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: There was a whole lot of weird ship with fathers there.

942
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: But like this goes back to if you look at

943
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: fucking German society, there was very much this idea that

944
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: the Kaiser is the father of the nation, and likewise

945
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: the father should be the dictator of his family, the

946
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: the unquestioned regent. Right, the Kaiser is this king that

947
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: nobody can can can counter or question, and the father

948
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: should be of the family the same thing, And this

949
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: is a big part of why the Nazis do so

950
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: well in Germany later, right, Like there's a lot of Yeah,

951
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: they're all in line with the idea. Yeah. So Thomas

952
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: is very much like speaking as part of a tradition

953
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: of attitudes towards what the rights of a father should be. Um,

954
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: he just has decided that that's the core of what

955
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: America and American law ought to be and what the

956
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: founders are all sorts of all sorts of good ship,

957
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: even though you could also look at the entire birth

958
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: of this country is like the history of a child

959
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: rebelling from its parent. But whatever, Like, there's no point

960
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: in arguing this sort of thing. Um. So, for the

961
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: first like twenty years that this guy is on the bench,

962
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: there is a tendency among liberal critics to reduce Thomas

963
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: to Justice Scalia's shadow. Now, this is due to his

964
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: reputation as the silent Justice. Again, he never speaks for years.

965
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: He doesn't say a single word during oral arguments. There's

966
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: like a ten year period where he never speaks during

967
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: oral arguments. Um. And while it's true that he does

968
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: rule kind of the same way as Justice Scalia on

969
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 1: about eighty five percent of cases while they're both alive,

970
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: this is not really that exceptional or unusual. During the

971
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: same period of time, Justice Bryant agreed with Justice Kagan

972
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the time, which nobody ever like

973
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: talks about. Um. The claims that he was somehow copying

974
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: Scalia were likely based in racism, and that in fact,

975
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: people say the same thing about their good Marshal and

976
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: one of the there's a white justice whose name I'm

977
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: forgetting that was friends with Marshall. That are like, oh,

978
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: Marshall just does the same thing as his friend, you know, Like, really,

979
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: these these are I think both of these counts and

980
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: his homework, Yeah, based on some racism. Um, The extant

981
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: evidence suggests that Thomas really just did truly respect Scalia's

982
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: ideas and jurisprudence. Since Scalia's death, Thomas has spoken more

983
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: often in court and has repeatedly cited non judicial writings

984
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: by his friend in his rulings. I found it right

985
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: up in Politico by Professor Richard Primus of some law

986
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: schooler another, which makes the case that Thomas now basically

987
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: uses Scalia the way that he uses the Founders as

988
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: a malleable ideological tool to reinforce whatever point he already

989
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: wanted to make quote. Much of the time, Thomas will

990
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: surely deploy Scalia in the name of a cause that

991
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: Scalia would have endorsed himself. The two of them did

992
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: agree on and awful lot, after all, but they were

993
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: all also always different in the extent and flexibility of

994
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: their originalism and the degree of their skepticism towards federal power,

995
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: and in other ways as well. In the future, Scalia

996
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: maybe molded to Thomas's own vision, and the longer Thomas serves,

997
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: the more the Court's agenda will move beyond issues that

998
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: Scalia directly confronted, thus giving Thomas even more freedom, whether

999
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: by design or just by doing what comes naturally to him,

1000
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: to shape perceptions of what Scalia would have done. So

1001
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Yeah, now that's yeah, that's It's like, it's

1002
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: like what puff Daddy does with Biggie. He's like, you know,

1003
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: it's very puff Daddy and yeah, my homeboy Biggie, you

1004
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: know he's dead, but you'll respect the idea of the

1005
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: concept of it. Yeah, I just want to deploy that

1006
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: from my own purposes. I have often called uh Justice

1007
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: Scalia the Biggie Smalls of the Supreme Court. Um and

1008
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas is puff daddy, absolutely no doubt, and Sandra

1009
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: Day O'Connor astop rock not going to explain that one.

1010
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: Just moving right along. Okay, So I'm not going to

1011
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: spend any more time laboring on Thomas's jurisprudence or the

1012
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: cases that he's ruled on. This is one of those

1013
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: things where like the worst of what he's done and

1014
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: is doing is actually pretty obvious to most people because

1015
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: it's happening constantly, So we we all spend enough time

1016
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: dealing with that. Mostly, I wanted to explain his background,

1017
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: where he came from, what's going on intellectually, and like

1018
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: what are his internal justifications for the things that he's

1019
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: doing when he tears rights away from people and forces

1020
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: his weird, demented views on the populace, which he will

1021
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: continue to do until something is done to take that

1022
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: power away from him. Um. So instead of going more

1023
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: into just like a list of his rulings on Supreme

1024
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: Court cases, I think we should close talking about Jenny Thomas.

1025
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: Oh great, yeah, yeah, yeah, you excited for this, Miles.

1026
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, behind every great porn that's right

1027
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: obsessed Supreme Court justice, I'd love to hear is an

1028
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: equally obsessed, uh porn obsessed person. But I don't know.

1029
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: I'm let's take a look please. I mean, all I

1030
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: know is obviously the latest the reasons he's been popping

1031
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: in the news. But I definitely and I could I

1032
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: could know a lot more about Jennie Thomas. You're about

1033
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: to so. Clarence met Virginia lamp in early nineteen seven.

1034
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: She was a lawyer from Nebraska, and early on in

1035
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: their marriage she tended to be described as Clarence's opposite.

1036
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: Marion Abramson talked about her taking homeless strangers out to

1037
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: lunch and describe her sweet, naivete um. When they two

1038
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: first met, she worked for the Chamber of Commerce, where

1039
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: she was the Reagan administration spokesperson against family leave and

1040
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: comparable worth aka paying women for equal work equally right.

1041
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: That's Virginia lamp Is, Like, women shouldn't be getting equal

1042
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: pay maternity leave if they're going to be good mothers

1043
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: instead examples for their kids. She's doing the equal pay

1044
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: equivalent of supporting talking apartheid South Africa as like a

1045
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: prominent black guy. Yeah, exactly. Um, so she's cool. That's good.

1046
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: Lamp Is obviously very far right, and at one point

1047
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: she was close to join a cult, a group that

1048
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: was basically a cult. And I'm going to quote from

1049
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: Strange Justice here because this is a fun little side story.

1050
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: Miles Lamp was, if anything, more conservative than Thomas her father.

1051
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: Her family, well connected in a well to do had

1052
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: provided the backbone of gold Water support in Nebraska. Her father,

1053
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: a developer who had built some of the most exclusive

1054
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: gate of gated communities outside Omaha, was a party activist,

1055
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: as was her mother. When Lamp decided to move to Washington,

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Speaker 1: her parents helped her find her first job there, a

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Speaker 1: how Dab of Nebraska. While in the capital, Lamp joined

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Speaker 1: an assertiveness training group called Life Spring. She became deeply

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Speaker 1: involved in the group, but was troubled in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: five when during a Life Spring exercise exercise trainees were

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Speaker 1: forced to take off all but a bikini to the

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Speaker 1: tune of the stripper. As she described the incident, participants

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Speaker 1: were pelted with questions about sex and urged to ridicule

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Speaker 1: fat people's bodies. I had intellectually and emotionally got myself

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Speaker 1: so wrapped up with this group that I was moving

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Speaker 1: away from my family and my friends and the people

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Speaker 1: that I work with. Lamp later admitted my best friend

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Speaker 1: came to visit me as I was preaching, and I

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Speaker 1: was preaching at her using this tough attitude they teach you.

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Speaker 1: Now strange justice was written back in the nineties and

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Speaker 1: as a result, they don't have a lot of to

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Speaker 1: tail about Life Spring. Um, it's like a soft cult.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those assertiveness trainings, like Guru training program

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Speaker 1: type deals where you like sit around in circles and

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Speaker 1: like everybody takes turns insulting one person at a time

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Speaker 1: in order to like funk everybody up together and bond

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Speaker 1: the group through trauma. It's one of those good things,

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Speaker 1: one of those good things. But you don't have to

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Speaker 1: live here. Honestly, I have to say this is one

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Speaker 1: case where if no one had gotten her out of

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Speaker 1: the cult, we'd probably be better off. Um, well, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like she found sounds like she's pretty malleable. That

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Speaker 1: old brain is pretty malleable. Yeah. In nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: a Seattle woman with asthma died after a Life Spring

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Speaker 1: trainer told her that she didn't need to take her

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Speaker 1: medicine anymore. Uh. In two with seattle Man's family sued

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Speaker 1: Lifespring for convincing him that he was both Jesus Christ

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Speaker 1: and the Devil. So this is a cool group. Um.

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Speaker 1: So Lamp does get out of Lifespring uh sadly. And

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Speaker 1: one of the first things that she finds after leaving

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Speaker 1: this cult is Clarence Thomas, who she meets at an

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Speaker 1: a d element about civil rights. So that's good from

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Speaker 1: the cult. Right to Clarence. Uh. He gives her a

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Speaker 1: right home, and in pretty short order, the two we're boning,

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Speaker 1: or I'm assuming they're boning. There at least a romantic item.

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Speaker 1: One has to assume the boning follows. Uh. Lamp introduced

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Speaker 1: Thomas to a church, Truro Episcopal, where she went. It

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Speaker 1: was a popular popular place for arch conservative Reagan Nights

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Speaker 1: and profoundly anti abortion. The rector compared abortion to Holocaust

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Speaker 1: on a regular basis. Over the following decades, Clarence and

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Speaker 1: Jenny would have a life that often wove inappropriately between

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Speaker 1: his duties as a Supreme Court justice and her career.

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Speaker 1: Is a weirdo Republican operative From a write up by

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Speaker 1: MSN quote. While at Heritage the Heritage Foundation in two thousands,

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Speaker 1: Jenny Thomas gathered resumes for a possible George George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush administration, but Clarence Thomas rebuffed all calls for him

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Speaker 1: to recuse from the Bush v. Gore case decided that

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Speaker 1: the election. Thomas cast the deciding vote in the five

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Speaker 1: four ruling that made Bush president. In two thousand eleven,

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Speaker 1: seventy four House Democrats vote wrote to Clarence Thomas asking

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Speaker 1: him to recuse from any cases involving the Affordable Care

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Speaker 1: Act because of his wife's work for Heritage, which opposed

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Speaker 1: the law. He declined and voted against upholding the law

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Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve. She's working with the nascent Bush

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Speaker 1: administration before Bush v. Gore has decided. She's trying to

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Speaker 1: overturn Obamacare. She's trying to overturn the election, said Gay Roth,

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Speaker 1: executive director of Fixed the Court, which advocates for a

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Speaker 1: more open and accountable federal judici judiciary. It's a real

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Speaker 1: Forest Gump type existence that none of the other previous

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Speaker 1: hundred odd Supreme Court spouses have lived. So that's good.

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Speaker 1: It's good that Jesus that he didn't refuse himself from

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Speaker 1: Bush v Gore Good that she's like a consistent hardcore

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Speaker 1: political activist, and that that doesn't mean he has to

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Speaker 1: recuse himself from anything that would absolutely screened if the

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Speaker 1: same thing is happening on the left. Yeah right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh you want text messages from January six? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you know, if my wife is anything whatever you get,

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Speaker 1: yes said, it makes so much so, I mean, just

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Speaker 1: to be flipping for a moment that someone who's coming

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Speaker 1: from like a verbal abuse cult, like goes on a

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Speaker 1: date with creepyl. Yeah, this guy is so cool. He's

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Speaker 1: actually the best, the nicest person I've ever met. He's

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Speaker 1: much better than the last cult that I was in, um,

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Speaker 1: which I don't know. Some people will argue that she's

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Speaker 1: the one who's kind of leading him around. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they both are shitty people who found each

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Speaker 1: other and who's desired to hurt the world. Come on,

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Speaker 1: a black man just funk up the world on his own, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's just a case of true

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Speaker 1: love between people who want to make the world worse.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to take agency away from either of them,

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Speaker 1: you know, whatever, whatever is going on. There is just

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Speaker 1: it's unbelievably horrible. Um, but you know, anyway, Jenny Thomas

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Speaker 1: is now in the news because she was kind of

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Speaker 1: order directly involved in a violent attempt to overthrew the government,

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01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: overthrow the government and institute a dictatorship. In the days

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Speaker 1: leading up to January six, she sent twenty one messages

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Speaker 1: to Mark Meadows urging him to overturn the results. Help

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Speaker 1: this great president stand firm, Mark, she wrote in one

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Speaker 1: of them. In response to November twenty four text from

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Speaker 1: Meadows that he was intent on fighting for Trump's victory,

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Speaker 1: Jenny Thomas replied, thank you needed that this plus a

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Speaker 1: conversation with my best friend just now. I will try

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Speaker 1: to keep holding on America is worth it now. The

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Speaker 1: emails don't make clear who the best friend Jenny Thomas

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Speaker 1: was referring to, although she has repeatedly called Clarence Thomas

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Speaker 1: her best friend because he's her husband. Uh yeah, that's good. Um.

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Speaker 1: That said, she denies all this publicly. In an interview

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Speaker 1: with The Washington Free Beacon, a right wing news site,

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Speaker 1: she said Clarence doesn't discuss his work with me, and

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Speaker 1: I don't involve him in my work. I'm sure that's true.

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Speaker 1: There's more more will be coming out, probably has dropped

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Speaker 1: by the time this comes out. There's like more on

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Speaker 1: her and jan six. This is all and maybe she'll

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Speaker 1: get she might get charged. Like that's not impossible at

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Speaker 1: this stage, given where we are. I don't think it's likely. Um,

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Speaker 1: but you know people are talking about it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anything's ever gonna happen to Clarence Thomas other than

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Speaker 1: he will continue to get his way, uh and have

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Speaker 1: some of the real weird conversations with people. Yep. So

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Speaker 1: how do you feel, Miles? Um? Pretty weird? Um, But

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Speaker 1: you know, just I just gotta keep on keeping on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as we say. You know, Miles, what this reminds me of,

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Speaker 1: this conversation between you and I, m is a little

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Speaker 1: a little thing that Jesus Christ said to his disciples

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Speaker 1: when he was preaching preaching on that mountain, Miles, m h.

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Speaker 1: And he said to them, you know, the world is

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Speaker 1: full of the minions of Satan, but you know what

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Speaker 1: will protect you from the minions of Satan is the

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Speaker 1: precious metals held in a catalytic converter. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Get one of them, Get them all. Catch them absolutely,

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01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: got to catch them all. Jesus Christ said that, Marko,

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Speaker 1: that's right. But the worries of this life, the deceitfulness

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Speaker 1: of wealth, and the desires for other things come and

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01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: choke the world, making it unfruitful without catalytic converters. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the word of him, Thanks be to him. Yep, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's so sick. You get the Jesus fish. But like

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Speaker 1: with catalytic converters, right, that's right. Who ah, you love

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Speaker 1: me so had to pivot away from the darkness for

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Speaker 1: fucking judicial Yes, yeah, what else are you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that's uh, that's Clarence Thomas sick. Thanks uh

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Speaker 1: for making me feel a lot better about this. Actually,

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Speaker 1: that's how I feel. I feel a lot better about

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Speaker 1: this because you got to know what you're up again, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and he he is aware of the effect that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Dobbs decision has on you know, adult film performers, right.

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Speaker 1: You know that is interesting because I wonder if he's like,

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Speaker 1: maybe because his wife's super religious, she's like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe there's something weird going on there are his ability

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Speaker 1: to watch porn. Now, I don't know, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: no fucking way, no fucking way. Maybe that's his his thing.

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Speaker 1: He just wants a strong woman to tell him he's

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Speaker 1: not allowed to watch porn and hit him every time

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Speaker 1: he tries to. Maybe that's what gets him off. We

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Speaker 1: don't know. With a rolled up newspaper, Yeah, in a

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Speaker 1: bowl full of corn flakes, all right, right, who knows? Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: you got any plug doubles miles. Yeah, just you know,

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Speaker 1: check out your local mutual aid organization. Check out your

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Speaker 1: local mutual aid organization. Check out Clarence Thomas in the

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Speaker 1: next Supreme Court ruling that will read up you know,

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Speaker 1: as you are yourself. Then uh yeah, at Miles of

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Speaker 1: Gray wherever they have at symbols. That's right. I have

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Speaker 1: a book. It's called After the Revolution. You can find

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Speaker 1: it anywhere you want to. You can find it on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: you can find it on the A K Press website.

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Speaker 1: You can find links there to a bunch of local

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Speaker 1: indie book dealers where you can buy it. So go

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Speaker 1: to Google a K Press After the Revolution, or get

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Speaker 1: it literally anywhere else. Yeah, um oh yeah. Also Daily

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Speaker 1: Batcase check out, that's the Daily Past. That's the one.

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Speaker 1: Check that up. Check it out. Also boost It Damn.

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