Speaker 1: Carola. She's a queen of talking. He was sown your man.
Speaker 1: She's on the side. She got the scoop on the
Speaker 1: walls to walk on the ones to side. No one
Speaker 1: can do with quiet like Carala, Carola. No one can
Speaker 1: do with quiet like Carala. It is time for Caroline. Hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby,
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for tuning in with me today.
Speaker 1: My guest is Who Is Fancy And if you haven't
Speaker 1: heard of him yet, you will because he is a sensation.
Speaker 1: He has a song out there with Ariana Grande and
Speaker 1: Megan Trainer called Boys Like You and it's amazing and
Speaker 1: riveting and he is just fantastic. We laughed so much.
Speaker 1: Like I said before, we almost got attacked by a
Speaker 1: spider and we survived. So that's any indication of how
Speaker 1: this interview goes. Just get ready because it's a blast.
Speaker 1: So please welcome Who Is Fancy and don't forget to
Speaker 1: subscribe on iTunes and on my website Caroline Hobby dot com.
Speaker 1: Join the fun. Every week every Wednesday will be coming
Speaker 1: at you with a new episode. But here is Who
Speaker 1: Is Fancy? Just a heads up, this is adults having
Speaker 1: adult conversation, so there could definitely be some adult language
Speaker 1: and content. Hello, what's up here? Is fancy fancy? Fancy Fancy?
Speaker 1: Is it who is fancy? Or is it fancy? You know?
Speaker 1: I go by fancy in my day to day life,
Speaker 1: but who is Fancy? Is that the full stage name?
Speaker 1: You know? It started as a campaign and then it
Speaker 1: kind of turned into a stage name. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: in the middle of a little bit of a reinvention,
Speaker 1: so as you you should be Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: start off a little bit of a game that I
Speaker 1: want to get into, the whole campaign, the whole saga.
Speaker 1: Every time I'm letna say a word, you tell me
Speaker 1: the first thing that comes to mind. Crush Bradley Cooper,
Speaker 1: Oh good one, rustic man. Do you know how many
Speaker 1: faces just flooded through my mind when you, Oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like my celebrity ones, but then I'm also
Speaker 1: think about my real ones. I can't say that, okay
Speaker 1: because people will actually know, Yeah, celebrity ones, I'm like
Speaker 1: really into that. You know. Let's just keep a country.
Speaker 1: We're here in Nashville. Sorry, And there's dogs in this
Speaker 1: podcast today. Because we're at my house and I have
Speaker 1: three dogs and they're all obsessed with I love them too.
Speaker 1: The feelings are mutual. Only the feelings between me and
Speaker 1: these dogs were like the men. I'm about the name
Speaker 1: and and me. It would be amazing. Life would be good.
Speaker 1: The top five. Let's keep it country because I like
Speaker 1: like the cowboy rest man. I learned that about you yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's true. Um, I made that cowboy blust didn't. Um.
Speaker 1: I really think he's not a cowboy, but he sings
Speaker 1: country music. I think he's so hot. Brett Eldredge, Oh
Speaker 1: yeah's love him? Yes, um sam hut, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: like hand on the face, like sweating. He is sexy. Right,
Speaker 1: He's so hot and he's so nice. Yeah, just briefly
Speaker 1: so nice. Did you like brush each other's arms or anything?
Speaker 1: I think it was like a like a oh, like
Speaker 1: hey man, and he was like like doing there's any
Speaker 1: chance he could go the other way? You know. I
Speaker 1: don't like to limit myself. I don't know. I'm if
Speaker 1: any wants me to turn someone into yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: The weird thing is I can't get a gaymander flirt
Speaker 1: with me to save my freaking life. Put me in
Speaker 1: a room with like Tin ahead of her sexuals and
Speaker 1: like it's a circus. It's really weird. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. Okay, So we got Brett Aldred, Sam Hunt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna keep it old school. I think
Speaker 1: Tim McGraw's oh super sexy, so sexy, such a dolf,
Speaker 1: such a dol and faith is such a yes good,
Speaker 1: they are good? Okay, anyone else? Um yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's a lot, so many. Um. I just literally had
Speaker 1: one that I'm not going to say say it no
Speaker 1: because I know him like really well. And then if
Speaker 1: he's like if he watches your podcast uncomfortable, well, I'm
Speaker 1: just not gonna say it because I'm like, I'm like
Speaker 1: losing my cool, you know what I mean. Okay, you
Speaker 1: don't want to get okay, but there's a good chance
Speaker 1: you could like hang out with Brett for real or Sam.
Speaker 1: I've met both of them. I've never hung out with them.
Speaker 1: Oh get Moore is off so hot. He is very
Speaker 1: good looking, like a lot of muscles, lots of muscles.
Speaker 1: You must work out hours. I thought he can maybe
Speaker 1: pick me up totally. Man, be a little shorter than
Speaker 1: me though, that's okay. I have a rule about heights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're not six ft one, we ain't having fun
Speaker 1: six ft one. You need that one inch you wan't
Speaker 1: like what if it's like a dreamboat but he's six
Speaker 1: ft um, Come on, I don't know. One inch would
Speaker 1: ruin it for you. I just don't want to be
Speaker 1: taller than someone. Okay, So you like them to be
Speaker 1: the man, it's not about being the man. I want
Speaker 1: them to be like taller than me. But why because
Speaker 1: it's just what I'm interested in. That's what I'm attracted to.
Speaker 1: You like a manly man. Yeah, but their height doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they're manly. I've met several tall men that are
Speaker 1: not manly. So what it is about the height, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just like it. It's like your preference. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Emily wants to make out with you. The funny thing
Speaker 1: that's happening here is Emmy lou is my one dog
Speaker 1: who's throwing herself at fancy and he could care less.
Speaker 1: But Sugar is my other dog who's kind of playing
Speaker 1: hard to get, and that's the only one you want.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, that's the story of my life, story
Speaker 1: of my life. Oh my gosh. Okay, so style. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying a word. You say one word? Yeah? Is
Speaker 1: your one word? Oh? I forgot. We were playing that game.
Speaker 1: I was like, what about it? I forgot? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: like it. Let's start over. Taylor Swift, Oh good one.
Speaker 1: I love these crop tops. She's doing well. I'm hearing.
Speaker 1: We never go out of style. We never go out style. Okay,
Speaker 1: you got it. Get like some urban in your voice.
Speaker 1: It's like some soul. Yeah, I love it. Okay, I
Speaker 1: want to hear all about that later. Okay. Happiness yellow,
Speaker 1: I know you do. Your house is yellow. I love yellow.
Speaker 1: Yellow is my favorite. UM bucket list Um Africa Okay.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go to all the continents though,
Speaker 1: so maybe just travels to the world. I should should
Speaker 1: have said, okay in the first place, Africa, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think that's probably the last place I could
Speaker 1: see myself. So what do you mean, the last place.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'd be doing in Africa, So
Speaker 1: like maybe if I was like in Africa, be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing the world, right, Okay, Okay, awesome. I went
Speaker 1: to African amazing. Race was pretty balm. I want to
Speaker 1: do the Amazing Race. I think you do. I can
Speaker 1: hook you up. Yes, I think i'd be good on it,
Speaker 1: and I think you'd be great. Are you at a
Speaker 1: season in your life where you can do it? Okay,
Speaker 1: let me suggest you. Okay, great. Another casting agents like,
Speaker 1: how much running do you really do? An amazing Wait
Speaker 1: before we get into this, A lot. It's the most
Speaker 1: physical activity I've ever done in my whole life, really,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people do it, like you can
Speaker 1: do it. You just have to mentally decide you want
Speaker 1: to do it. And sometimes, oh my gosh, go on girls,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's sometimes it is really exhausting. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god. But you could do it, you know, it'd
Speaker 1: be it'd be fun to check that off your list. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be a good Amazing Race, would be a
Speaker 1: good buck work on that. Yeah, it's a great way
Speaker 1: to travel the word. I'm also scared of flying though.
Speaker 1: Running and flying are like two main ingredients of Amazing Race. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you abow to take xan X while you're on them?
Speaker 1: They're really strict about pills. You can't take any pills? Well,
Speaker 1: then I don't maybe not? Maybe Amazing Race isn't my outlet.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe you should do survivor? Can you do
Speaker 1: an X one Survivor? They're really strict about like over
Speaker 1: the account. They won't even do over the counter pills.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I had to beg to take units on
Speaker 1: sleeping pill because I cannot sleep on planes and that's
Speaker 1: over the counter. But it was like pulling teeth to
Speaker 1: get that approved. Wow, that's crazy, Okay, um Icon, how
Speaker 1: does she do it? I don't know. She's perfect in
Speaker 1: every way, every way, every way the best. She's really
Speaker 1: the best. She's the best. Do you think your dreams
Speaker 1: would be shattered if she and jay Z got divorced? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that my dreams would
Speaker 1: be shattered. I mean, if Beyonce hurts, I hurt un
Speaker 1: that's just like how it is. So maybe i'd be
Speaker 1: maybe I think i'd be upset form Beyonce. But like space,
Speaker 1: she's Beyonce. How did she become Beyonce? I don't know.
Speaker 1: But did you see that there's a gift online of
Speaker 1: like there's a little short video clip of she was
Speaker 1: on the View and will Be Goldberg literally goes, she
Speaker 1: goes your Beyonce, and Beyonce's response was, thank you. Did
Speaker 1: you see that? I just want to get to a
Speaker 1: phase in my life when people just say my name,
Speaker 1: I assume it's a compliment. It's just yes, you receive it.
Speaker 1: I am this is me. Yes, thank you. Well you
Speaker 1: have a name like Beyonce fancy fancy, which could be
Speaker 1: a compliment. It was like, you are fancy, thank you,
Speaker 1: So maybe i'm the practice you're fancy. Thank you. That
Speaker 1: hair flip is okay, discuss sting fish. You don't like fish,
Speaker 1: you should work on that. I used to like fish
Speaker 1: and I love it. Really. Yes, it's a texture thing. Really,
Speaker 1: it's not anything to do with the taste. I just
Speaker 1: don't like the texture. Huh. Okay. Boobs hmm. Do you
Speaker 1: think they're gross? I don't think they're gross, but I
Speaker 1: just don't have you ever like seen any Have you
Speaker 1: ever like touched me? Yeah, I've probably seen more boobs
Speaker 1: than like heterosexual man because girls just like but you
Speaker 1: have You've never been interested in boobs, No, not even once. No,
Speaker 1: you never wanted to motor boat those things. I mean
Speaker 1: I definitely motor boat boobs you have. Yeah, it's more
Speaker 1: for like shocking off. I'm like my best friend now
Speaker 1: the Osborne you know her, There's no way I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do that. Like that's just like did you
Speaker 1: like it? I mean, there's nothing to like. It's just
Speaker 1: like just like blobs of fat. It's not even like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what are we gonna do these ducks?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look at that phase. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'all can see her face, but
Speaker 1: it's terrible. I don't she has RBF rest. She totally
Speaker 1: has resting bitch face. I don't know to do them.
Speaker 1: Like when we decided to do the interview er here,
Speaker 1: I forgot I had three dogs. I think they're adding
Speaker 1: a lot. Okay, as long as you're okay with I
Speaker 1: love them. Um, yeah, so you motor boat to boobs
Speaker 1: and it was yeah, I mean I don't Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm on phase by like, but I mean
Speaker 1: in what context? I mean like a good juicy butt
Speaker 1: like Beyonce. But yeah, I can appreciate like a nice
Speaker 1: butt on boys angirls. Okay, Um music love your true love.
Speaker 1: I mean it's my life. Yeah, like I was telling
Speaker 1: you really, like I literally I always have some sort
Speaker 1: of like song coming through my head always always? Do
Speaker 1: you record them in your phone? Sometimes sintimes not? I
Speaker 1: have a wild memory. Really yeah, I have a terrible
Speaker 1: when it comes to like lyrics, and like my own
Speaker 1: lyrics are like um, like songs I'm creating. I rarely
Speaker 1: write anything down. My publishers hate me. You remember the
Speaker 1: whole song. I remember a lot of things, even if
Speaker 1: you're writing a lot of songs. That's crazy. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I want to get into your life. Your name is
Speaker 1: Jacob how good? How do you say it? Hey? Good?
Speaker 1: Hey good? Hey, I'm good good. That's your real name.
Speaker 1: You're born in Arkansas into a Christian household. So I
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about that because you're openly gay.
Speaker 1: Was that um an issue with your family growing up?
Speaker 1: I mean growing up. I didn't come out of the
Speaker 1: closet until I was twenty years old now, so you
Speaker 1: just recently came out four years ago, almost five years ago.
Speaker 1: Did you always is no, you're gay? Yeah? I mean
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if I have I ever
Speaker 1: always had a name for it. I think I always knew.
Speaker 1: I was, like, you know, in like third grade to
Speaker 1: be like all the boys were friends and I was around,
Speaker 1: and it'd be like one of these things isn't like
Speaker 1: the other. You know, That's just kind of how it felt.
Speaker 1: But the more and more I started being able to
Speaker 1: identify it and knowing what it was, I definitely it
Speaker 1: was definitely like, Okay, did you ever day girls? Um,
Speaker 1: like guess and no kind of did just maybe trying it.
Speaker 1: But I was really good at like playing like the
Speaker 1: Christian boy next door, like I can't even kiss me,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, that's for that's for the Lord. Oh but
Speaker 1: really that wasn't. Yeah, I was just like I had
Speaker 1: a lot like going on in my head about like
Speaker 1: what did the families say when you said him coming out?
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a difficult transition. But my family,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean my parents have always been my
Speaker 1: support and my rock and have always supported me in
Speaker 1: every end ever I've ever gone into. And um, when
Speaker 1: I came out of the closet, it didn't I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like I think it was hard for them
Speaker 1: to hear, but it was more of like, um, looking
Speaker 1: back at it now, it's kind of like being able
Speaker 1: to see like how close to me and my family
Speaker 1: are now, And like I think It's something that brought
Speaker 1: us all closer because it opened up a whole door
Speaker 1: of like conversations that just were never had. When you
Speaker 1: grow up in like a Christian household, so many things
Speaker 1: are so taboo, and so many things they're like not
Speaker 1: you know, allowed to talk about them. And now it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know that an elephant in the
Speaker 1: room was discussed in such a large scale. And not
Speaker 1: only that, now I stand on a higher pedestal where
Speaker 1: it's not only people in my family, people anyone who
Speaker 1: knows me because I'm gay and like my you know,
Speaker 1: people in Arkansas know my family, have me and their family,
Speaker 1: and I think for my I think for my parents,
Speaker 1: and I don't know about my sisters, but I think
Speaker 1: I was one of the first, like openly gay people
Speaker 1: that they had a relationship with them. And I think
Speaker 1: they've met gay people before, but it wasn't like they
Speaker 1: had like a relationship with people. And that's an interesting
Speaker 1: thing because in Nashville and l A and all the
Speaker 1: like the big cities that you know, we live in,
Speaker 1: it's not a big like no one even it's not
Speaker 1: even a thing, you know, no one even cares. But
Speaker 1: in smaller towns. You forget that it still is this.
Speaker 1: So I grew up in Arkansas and there definitely was
Speaker 1: a divide. And like it's funny because even in the
Speaker 1: short time of me coming out and or dropped. I
Speaker 1: drapped out of high school because I was bullied so
Speaker 1: badly and for being flamboyant and for being different. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and I moved to Nashville right away. My parents supported
Speaker 1: that and we're you know, one on board, had no
Speaker 1: qualms and did what they had to do to help
Speaker 1: me get out of that. And um, moved to Nashville.
Speaker 1: My parents drove me here. Oh seventeen, didn't know anyone,
Speaker 1: and they drove me here. And yeah, I come I
Speaker 1: come from really good people. And I think when I
Speaker 1: came out of the closet that just um, I think
Speaker 1: when like trying times, I think that's when you really
Speaker 1: see people's character. I really learned what good people my
Speaker 1: family were, or my family are, because it's like with
Speaker 1: my dad and my mom, it's like they're Christians and
Speaker 1: like they believe in, you know, the Christian faith and
Speaker 1: God and all that stuff and didn't change their faith
Speaker 1: at all. I don't know. I think it made it
Speaker 1: stronger because I think I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: legalistic stuff that gets caught up in religion and opinion
Speaker 1: and the way people live their life and the way
Speaker 1: people judge each other. I mean, the Bible specifically talks
Speaker 1: about that, and it's like anti that. So it's like
Speaker 1: everything that you know people don't like about Christianity kind
Speaker 1: of comes from that a human form of trying to understand.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't really dive into all
Speaker 1: that religious stuff anymore. That's definitely like in my past.
Speaker 1: But um, love and be loved. I just I just
Speaker 1: want to love people. I want to be nice, I
Speaker 1: want I want to be kind. I want to have
Speaker 1: a good time. Like, why do we have to box
Speaker 1: everyone into like putting rules and boxes on people. It
Speaker 1: takes too much energy to be mean, it does, and
Speaker 1: what's the point of it anyway, just because someone is
Speaker 1: different than you. I have a hard time with that too.
Speaker 1: But you know that being said, I do respect all
Speaker 1: religions of faith, and if anyone's dogma, I I totally
Speaker 1: am respectful. And um, you're just getting back. I look
Speaker 1: up to my parents more now because I really feel
Speaker 1: like they put their faith to the test when I
Speaker 1: came out of the closet, and truly, I feel like
Speaker 1: truly showed you know, what they say they believe. I
Speaker 1: feel like they were walking the talk, you know, and
Speaker 1: it was like you don't often see that. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so I just have a giant amount of respect for
Speaker 1: my parents and a very deep love for them. And
Speaker 1: I know it's I know it's a vice versa. I
Speaker 1: talked to my dad and my mom every day on
Speaker 1: the phone. Yeah, that's best. Good for you for just
Speaker 1: going for it and put an authentic home for like
Speaker 1: three months. I lived in Nashville when I came out,
Speaker 1: and it was like it was hard. So I was
Speaker 1: kind of like I didn't know if. I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no real way to deal with this head on,
Speaker 1: So I just moved home for your months and dealt
Speaker 1: with it head on the way to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the longer you live with like suppressing yourself,
Speaker 1: the more it comes outsideways. Oh for sure. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: go you Okay, So I want to get to your
Speaker 1: music video, which you'd cover a lot of topics in
Speaker 1: and goodbye before I kind of start at the beginning.
Speaker 1: I'm very like O C D. I don't want to
Speaker 1: miss a step. So you got your stage name Fancy
Speaker 1: because you worked at Forever twenty one, and that's when
Speaker 1: you had come out and into your own and you
Speaker 1: started wearing makeup and painting your nails and being fabulous.
Speaker 1: And one was definitely like I love there Forever twenty one,
Speaker 1: like a huge part of your story. Yeah, so it's definitely.
Speaker 1: It was definitely the first like, um, a safe place
Speaker 1: you can be whatever you want there. Well yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean like it's, um, it's just an environment where like
Speaker 1: fashions like the thing, and like, yeah, I like you're
Speaker 1: able to, like yeah, you're able to just like express yourself.
Speaker 1: And like it was the first time I worked I
Speaker 1: was around like other openly gay men like my whole life,
Speaker 1: and I mean obviously growing up in Arkansas, I wasn't
Speaker 1: around that. And then I when I moved here, I
Speaker 1: went to a Christian college, so like I wasn't around it.
Speaker 1: And then this was the first place where I really
Speaker 1: had like openly gay friends. And it was kind of
Speaker 1: like I remember one of my managers was joking with
Speaker 1: me because like the first like two or three weeks
Speaker 1: I worked there, I kept doing like like you know
Speaker 1: I'm gay, right, And I just kept saying it and
Speaker 1: she feels so good. Yeah, because I just wanted everyone
Speaker 1: to know. I would like, may people like, well, I'm gay,
Speaker 1: and like everyone's just going like no, ship like yeah,
Speaker 1: And this is kind of funny because my manager was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we really have to tell people that, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I just feel like they need to know.
Speaker 1: Like I was so passionate about just like because it
Speaker 1: was the first place. Yeah, and then in turn, like
Speaker 1: I was trying to do the whole music thing and
Speaker 1: like my forever twenty one peeps that were there. I
Speaker 1: mean the first year I worked there was just so amazing.
Speaker 1: I worked in the cool Springs one and the whole
Speaker 1: crew was just I mean we worked together, we partied together.
Speaker 1: I mean it was just like a cool I'm sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was just it makes look expensive, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like for every twenty one. It was just like
Speaker 1: a really great place for me to really start discovering
Speaker 1: who I am, because when you're like nineteen twenty and like,
Speaker 1: that's just a crucial part of like finding yourself. And
Speaker 1: there was so much going on for me as a
Speaker 1: twenty year old just came out of the closet, Like
Speaker 1: there was just so much going on in my head,
Speaker 1: in my life and to have that outlet and those
Speaker 1: people around me that were just kind of so carefree
Speaker 1: and non judgmental and just fun and living life in
Speaker 1: the big city of Nashville, because Nashville was a big
Speaker 1: city to me. Yeah, when I moved from Arkansas, I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think I had driven on a
Speaker 1: highway before I moved here, so crazy. Yeah, So it's
Speaker 1: just a really cool like launching pad for me. And
Speaker 1: as I was trying to do the whole music thing, um,
Speaker 1: all the conversations around town always had to deal with
Speaker 1: my sexuality well you know that kind of thing. And
Speaker 1: it was just like I was trying to think, like
Speaker 1: to myself, like how can I get around that, Like,
Speaker 1: what is something I can do to like make it
Speaker 1: a Nolan Wood like thing? So what was it? Well?
Speaker 1: I started wearing makeup, doing my nails, and I kind
Speaker 1: of like just by appearance, people would just automatically no,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a conversation to have and all this
Speaker 1: stuff and that kind of didn't work. And then but
Speaker 1: I liked who I was wearing my makeup and doing
Speaker 1: my nails and having my hair every which color and um,
Speaker 1: there was like, this is your natural color right now,
Speaker 1: this is my natural color right now. It looks great.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a little red lead bread rounds beautiful. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So one of one of my coworkers for twenty one
Speaker 1: and would always because the Drake song was popular then
Speaker 1: fancy and I would walk in just like done. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't be like, oh you fancy Hunt, you can get
Speaker 1: fancy Hunt. I was kind of and I was just
Speaker 1: kind of like it caught on for me because it
Speaker 1: was like for the first time someone was calling me
Speaker 1: a name that I was like, you know what, go out,
Speaker 1: damn strain it. That's me. I am fancy. It's exactly
Speaker 1: what I am. And so I did my first shows
Speaker 1: fancy and sold out and it was just like this wild,
Speaker 1: crazy night and you hadn't really no one even really
Speaker 1: knew who you were before then. I mean I had
Speaker 1: spent a good year going around calling myself fancy before
Speaker 1: I did the show, so like, wow, the industry was curious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they all, I mean, it's sold out and people
Speaker 1: just were kind of like I was rapping at that point.
Speaker 1: It was like really crazy and wild and um, it
Speaker 1: was just yeah, it was like kind of like a
Speaker 1: weird moment in time, but it was it kind of
Speaker 1: like validation that you're on the right track. It was
Speaker 1: kind of like the moment where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can do this and I can do it as me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I actually made enough money at that show to
Speaker 1: be able to like like stopped working as much of
Speaker 1: her twenty one and like keep like, um, it was
Speaker 1: like the first one I was paid to do a show,
Speaker 1: which was like crazy yeah. And then I was like
Speaker 1: because like at that point, like I think I made
Speaker 1: like two grand, which is like that's a big deal
Speaker 1: for a show in Nashville. It's a big deal when
Speaker 1: you're making like you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like someone and I'm like what
Speaker 1: the goal? And then I go to the let No,
Speaker 1: you're not something. It's like there's your one month re
Speaker 1: like okay, you can stay here for them creating to
Speaker 1: the gold like you're ready. Yeah, yeah, my bags and
Speaker 1: Hermitage were passed, but but no, it was just a
Speaker 1: really freshman one was a really special place for me.
Speaker 1: Did you always know you wanted to saying like you
Speaker 1: were you in bands and choir or something or that.
Speaker 1: Always I mean, even when I was little, if you
Speaker 1: asked me what I wanted to be, I was gonna
Speaker 1: it was the answer was always a superstar. You're you know,
Speaker 1: I think some people just know when you're called for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I don't. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know what everyone else believes, but like, I definitely think
Speaker 1: my life was kind of like ordained, and like I
Speaker 1: feel like I definitely have a purpose and my soul
Speaker 1: has a purpose, and I feel like this whole fancy
Speaker 1: thing I've really I feel I've really tapped into like
Speaker 1: my life's purpose of just preaching individuality and being being
Speaker 1: love and light and you know, just doing me and
Speaker 1: hoping that other people. I grew up in a situation
Speaker 1: where that wasn't always an option, and maybe like me
Speaker 1: putting my music out there and me putting myself out
Speaker 1: there in this situation will open up doors for kids
Speaker 1: like me in those places that don't have that option
Speaker 1: and don't have that outlet. Maybe they see that, like
Speaker 1: they can be what they want to be and they
Speaker 1: can do what they want to do, and maybe they're
Speaker 1: not fancy but they are unique and they are special
Speaker 1: and they can they can let that part of them.
Speaker 1: Was it hard for you as a kid, not being
Speaker 1: able to be yourself? Oh my god, yeah I was.
Speaker 1: I mean I got buoyed from such a young age.
Speaker 1: Like it was just like I remember I was in
Speaker 1: the fourth grade and some kid like held me down
Speaker 1: and he was like, why do you only hang out
Speaker 1: with girls? And I was seeing to myself, like I
Speaker 1: didn't say anything, so I was like terrified, but I
Speaker 1: see to myself, it's better than hang out with you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that kind of moment,
Speaker 1: and it's just like my whole life it's been like that.
Speaker 1: And now, I mean living in Nashville, Like it's kind
Speaker 1: of a cool feeling to know I can go to
Speaker 1: Red Door or Rebar or wherever I'm going winners losers
Speaker 1: and like Santa's pud, Like no, I'm gonna walk in there,
Speaker 1: and like my sexuality does not matter. It's not even
Speaker 1: a conversation. Yeah. And I have so many friends of
Speaker 1: so many walks of life and so many I mean,
Speaker 1: Nashville has just been such a great place for me.
Speaker 1: And I don't think people think of Nashville is like
Speaker 1: a very like open whatever. But like, um, I don't
Speaker 1: wear my sexuality on my sleep. That's not what makes
Speaker 1: me unique. It's not what makes me different. My personality,
Speaker 1: my vibrance, my um, the way I see things, that's
Speaker 1: what makes me different. And I think people in Nashville,
Speaker 1: the people I'm friends with and people have grown to
Speaker 1: love here, have really celebrated me for that. And I
Speaker 1: feel so comfortable in the city. And this is where
Speaker 1: I like to be. I like to go out here,
Speaker 1: I like to have fun here. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: such a light place, you know what I mean. It is.
Speaker 1: That's such a great way of saying it. Whenever anyone
Speaker 1: asked me about Nashville, I always just I'm like exuberant
Speaker 1: about it because I feel I feel like it's magical.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's so many creative people here. Everyone
Speaker 1: is competing with themselves. I don't know if anyone's competing
Speaker 1: with each other. You know. I live in Los Angeles now,
Speaker 1: and I always come back to Nashville. I rea things
Speaker 1: are it's always and you know, I have I have
Speaker 1: and I'm not I don't like I'm saying this on
Speaker 1: like record, but it's like in l A. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's hard to be like really good friends with
Speaker 1: people that do what you do. I mean, my my
Speaker 1: closest friends and l A are all dancers, and like
Speaker 1: it's like we're all creative, we're all in the same space,
Speaker 1: but we don't do the same thing. And it's like,
Speaker 1: um here all of my best friends are and in
Speaker 1: the music bits and they're all doing what I do.
Speaker 1: They're writers, they're artists there, but there's no competition, there's
Speaker 1: no there's no jealousy. I mean, like everyone roots for
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, I mean this is the same the
Speaker 1: same week, like things in my career started kind of
Speaker 1: having like like you know, dip and that's just so
Speaker 1: everyone knows everyone's career is that way. There's eyes and love,
Speaker 1: you know. The one week my career is in a low,
Speaker 1: my friends were all in Los Angeles because they were
Speaker 1: all nominated for Grammys, and it's like I could not
Speaker 1: be anymore proud and seeing my friends being celebrated in
Speaker 1: way it made me feel like I was getting nominated
Speaker 1: for a Grammy. Because some of your friends are Megan Trainer,
Speaker 1: Brothers Osborne, You've got like a laundry list of important friends.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah exactly. And the thing that I love
Speaker 1: about those friendships is if you took music out of it,
Speaker 1: those are still my homies. Those are still your friends
Speaker 1: with them before any of y'all had stuff going on.
Speaker 1: I've never been written a song with Brothers Osborne. I've
Speaker 1: never written a song with case of Scrapes. Like that's
Speaker 1: music is not what binds us. It's like, those people
Speaker 1: are my friends because I like who they are, they
Speaker 1: like who I am, and it's just kind of like
Speaker 1: gonna make you want to cry a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. When in Los Angeles, like I was,
Speaker 1: I was working, I was doing like some like work
Speaker 1: for E I did like the red Carpet after party
Speaker 1: with Ross Matthews, who's my favor I love him. Tell
Speaker 1: him to hire me to psychic Yeah, this podcast straight
Speaker 1: Talk is the best, and I was on that. It
Speaker 1: was so so much fun. He's the best. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: I did that, and I was like mom, because like,
Speaker 1: you know, Brothers Osborne, their sister Natalie, who's my best
Speaker 1: friend the entire world. And Lucy was another one of
Speaker 1: my best friends, Lucy so John osborneborn Um. They were
Speaker 1: all there at the Grammys and I was like, they're
Speaker 1: going to that party and I'm only invited to this party.
Speaker 1: And like, Umnwie, there's a spider on your couch where look? Oh,
Speaker 1: let's just throw it. I don't know, Sugar, do you
Speaker 1: think it's when you've been staring at that? I was
Speaker 1: wondering when you're staring. Well, I saw on the wall
Speaker 1: and I was like, as long as it's there, I'm good,
Speaker 1: Like I'm fine. But it started crawling towards you on
Speaker 1: the couch and I got nervous. So I was like
Speaker 1: you like you're like in like Jurassic Park over here
Speaker 1: or something. No, you don't understand. Like I love dogs,
Speaker 1: I love them, spiders not so much. It was a
Speaker 1: daddy long like, I don't think it can bide us
Speaker 1: the most poisonous. I think that was proven wrong on MythBusters,
Speaker 1: but I might be high, Sugar, Okay, so you want
Speaker 1: to go to this party? Yeah? Natal? The n t
Speaker 1: J were texting me and John and we're all we're
Speaker 1: all like a thread for like hanging in that weekend
Speaker 1: in l A. And they were like, are you coming
Speaker 1: out tonight? And I was just like I'm not. Like
Speaker 1: I was like I can't get into those parties, like
Speaker 1: you're going to this and I'm on these lists and
Speaker 1: you're on those lists, and they were like we'll figure
Speaker 1: it out, just like come meet us. And so like
Speaker 1: I'm in like my rose gold like sequin kimono, like
Speaker 1: floor lenk, just like running through downtown Los Angeles trying
Speaker 1: to find like the seven eleven they were apart that
Speaker 1: and then because like you know, when you're nominated for
Speaker 1: a Grammy, I guess they give you a driver in
Speaker 1: a car to like just drive you wherever, and so
Speaker 1: the right I've never had that luxury. So one day,
Speaker 1: so I'm like they're like, we're at the seven eleven
Speaker 1: on like this and the corner of this and this,
Speaker 1: we're just waiting for you and so like and like
Speaker 1: it was pandemonium downtown and so I'm like they're like
Speaker 1: like running like trying to like figure out where they are,
Speaker 1: and we finally find him and I got in that car.
Speaker 1: I got in their suburban and like I was saying,
Speaker 1: like shotgun and they were on the back and like
Speaker 1: just turning around and seeing like four of the best
Speaker 1: humans on earth like just like all dressed up and
Speaker 1: like I literally about I'm about to cry now, Like
Speaker 1: I literally was just like I was like this, and
Speaker 1: all of your friends are authentically living their dreams and
Speaker 1: following their passion. And not only that, they're supporting me
Speaker 1: and doing the same thing every high, every low. They're
Speaker 1: my friends regardless. Those people would still be my friends
Speaker 1: if I worked for every twenty one. And that's what's
Speaker 1: beautiful about it. Is like I got in that car
Speaker 1: and like just knowing the week I had, in the
Speaker 1: month I've had, and like it's been it's been low.
Speaker 1: You know, it hasn't been the most like glamorous of times.
Speaker 1: And to get in that car and to know that
Speaker 1: those people that are like so talented and so like
Speaker 1: just crazy good. You know, they were sitting at seven
Speaker 1: eleven waiting on my ass to get there before they
Speaker 1: went to that party. It just I don't know. It
Speaker 1: was this point. It's the point of life exactly. I
Speaker 1: was like this and this moment, this is what matters.
Speaker 1: And this is no record deal, no record deal, no
Speaker 1: management company, no song, nothing could take this moment from
Speaker 1: me because those things are temporary. This is what matters.
Speaker 1: You know. I love that and I love of our friends.
Speaker 1: I admire you guys from a farm. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: weez them away in there. Your angl come on in.
Speaker 1: We're very welcoming. I know. I'll just start showing up,
Speaker 1: will start texting it. Yeah. Um, you were discovered by
Speaker 1: Scooter Braun, who's Justin Bieber's manager, Scott Proshe and Dr Luke.
Speaker 1: How did that happen? You know? Girl? I think, like
Speaker 1: I said, trilogy of intense. Yeah, so Big Machine signed
Speaker 1: me first, I signed as a writer to a big machine. Um.
Speaker 1: They put me in a joint venture with Dr Luke.
Speaker 1: I started writing with Luke. Um, what about that scandal
Speaker 1: going on with him? I have no comment. I'm dying
Speaker 1: to know the truth. Yeah. I don't know the truth either.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. You guys write songs, Dr Luke? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Max Martin, Yeah, I've written with Yeah Pinching. Who are you?
Speaker 1: That's the top of the top. Yeah, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I was right. I worked with them for the g
Speaker 1: r L record. It was a girl band and um,
Speaker 1: I worked with them on that project and it was
Speaker 1: it was amazing time. I learned a lot. But who
Speaker 1: I am as a writer and even furthermore an artist,
Speaker 1: and what I wanted, and um, I talked Dr Luke
Speaker 1: and Big Machine even though they weren't quite sure about
Speaker 1: my artist's ambition and all that stuff. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Big Machines always been super supportive of me no matter
Speaker 1: what I can. They found a writer. Well, I was
Speaker 1: an artist doing my shows as a rapper, and it
Speaker 1: was just you had your two thousand dollars, that's where
Speaker 1: Big Machines tall you. Well, it was like three shows
Speaker 1: after that, that's where they found me. And I had
Speaker 1: met with Mike a couple of times before and he's
Speaker 1: just he's just an amazing person. And um, so he
Speaker 1: signed me to Big Machine Music and then run Publishing's
Speaker 1: publishing a Big Machine and then he's the best, and
Speaker 1: um he signed me to the joint venture with Dr
Speaker 1: Luke bea. So how did that happen? Um, they had
Speaker 1: started they had been talking about starting a joint venture
Speaker 1: Becka Tisker who runs Prescription Music. She's she's wonderful, She's wonderful,
Speaker 1: and then um, um so her and Mike started to venture.
Speaker 1: They put one artist writer in and then I was
Speaker 1: the second one to be signed. So um it was
Speaker 1: kind of nice and like my first trip to l A.
Speaker 1: I was writing with Luke and my second trip. I
Speaker 1: was at this point, No, I think I cried every
Speaker 1: single day, Like I was just kind of so confused.
Speaker 1: And then, um, the more and more, the more and
Speaker 1: more I was in l A and writing for the people,
Speaker 1: the more I was kind of like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is my gig. I'm an artist and I
Speaker 1: need to get back to that, because that's how I
Speaker 1: got signed, was doing my shows and so you were
Speaker 1: writing just strictly as a writer. It must be a
Speaker 1: badass writer to hang with Dr Luke and being rooms
Speaker 1: with other artists and Max, I mean that's you must
Speaker 1: hold your weight, you know. I love writing, it is
Speaker 1: It's one of my passions. But I write my stories,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like I have a hard time
Speaker 1: giving those stories to other people. And when when when
Speaker 1: the stars aligned? And like the situations right, like, of
Speaker 1: course I write for other people, and if I'm passionate
Speaker 1: about UM projects, I obviously definitely want to write on them.
Speaker 1: And but yeah, I just had my own artist ambition
Speaker 1: and was very important to me and always will be.
Speaker 1: So I convinced them to do a showcase and then um,
Speaker 1: at that show. At my first show in l A.
Speaker 1: It was at Hotel Cafe, which is a very big deal.
Speaker 1: It's like we're it's like the up and coming people.
Speaker 1: Everyone's performed there. Everyone. So I did it there and
Speaker 1: it was a great crowd and um, a lot of
Speaker 1: people came out and that week, um my um, one
Speaker 1: of scooters managers on his company reached out and we
Speaker 1: went and met and that's where I signed there, And
Speaker 1: it happened quickly. It was all pretty quick. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: kind of had a dream situation. I have had a
Speaker 1: whirlwind past three years. Yeah. I signed a big machine
Speaker 1: three years ago, moved to town pretty much or two
Speaker 1: years after moved to town. Yeah, like starting into my
Speaker 1: third year, big deal. Yeah, and starting in my third year,
Speaker 1: and then um, it's back, it's back. It's Oh I
Speaker 1: killed it. Oh my gosh. I was not trying to
Speaker 1: kill it. For the record, I really want I was
Speaker 1: not trying to kill so funny, Okay everyone, are you
Speaker 1: afraid of spiders? I hate spiders? Yeah? Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So it happened really fast for you, because not everyone
Speaker 1: hasn't happened that fast. I mean it was, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: so you clearly got to your authentic self quickly. I
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes people have to get to town, explore
Speaker 1: for a while, try things on like you were already
Speaker 1: ready to go, you had it all. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I just always let the music speak, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what everyone's always seen as, like the music.
Speaker 1: And um, I think I've had to figure out a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff along the way, and each year has
Speaker 1: been a new lesson learned. And I'm just I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm just getting stronger and stronger and stronger and
Speaker 1: better and better and better. And um, I mean tell
Speaker 1: me something. Lessons you learn? Oh my word. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm in a season in my life right now where
Speaker 1: i just feel like I've learned everything. You know what,
Speaker 1: you know what the biggest lesson I've learned through this
Speaker 1: whole process. Nobody is my end all be all. I
Speaker 1: will be done when I say I'm done. And that's
Speaker 1: that's how I feel. And yeah, I mean I've had
Speaker 1: a lot of people tell me no. I mean just
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like, you know, it happened like
Speaker 1: this and it was overnight and great. I had a
Speaker 1: lot of people tell me no. I had a lot
Speaker 1: of people tell me this isn't gonna happen for you.
Speaker 1: You don't belong in this town. This isn't you know.
Speaker 1: You're not a writer, you're not an artist. You'll never
Speaker 1: make it on Top forty radio and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Really like just kind of inspires me because it's like
Speaker 1: it lights a fire and I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: Because someone told me I wouldn't make it in Nashville,
Speaker 1: the National is too big of a city. I moved there.
Speaker 1: I did it. Someone told me I'd never get a
Speaker 1: publishing deal. Did that. Then it was like, you're not
Speaker 1: really an artist. Okay, got signed as an artist, and
Speaker 1: it's like you don't know if Top forty is your avenue.
Speaker 1: My first single went Top forty. It's goodbye. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then and now it's kind of like I'm in a
Speaker 1: spot where it's like, um, who I want to be
Speaker 1: as an artist and what I want to do is
Speaker 1: is being questioned and up for whatever, and um, I'm
Speaker 1: just ready to take I'm just ready to take the
Speaker 1: reins myself. And do you know the direction you want
Speaker 1: to go? Yes, very much, So tell me about it, um,
Speaker 1: And I want to talk about your past. I wanna
Speaker 1: talk about goodbye and Megan Trainer, and tell me about
Speaker 1: where you're going. This record I've been putting together. It's
Speaker 1: it's fun, it's young, it's rhythmic, it's honest, it's very open.
Speaker 1: I'm putting it all out there. I mean, it's about love,
Speaker 1: loss and heartbreak, steamy situations, it's about it's all in it,
Speaker 1: you know. It's like, I'm this, this is my journal,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to all be like very much answerable.
Speaker 1: I want people. I want people my age relate to.
Speaker 1: I want people younger than me to relate to. I
Speaker 1: want people order than me to relate to it. And um,
Speaker 1: it's it's a very lively um ethereal cardinal um rhythmic
Speaker 1: tribal situation. Oh girl, it's like passion and appetite. I
Speaker 1: like the cardinal cardinal. Okay, I love that. So what
Speaker 1: about when you put your song out Goodbye. You did
Speaker 1: this whole campaign which was really freaking cool, and how
Speaker 1: did you pull it off? I don't know. We're basically like,
Speaker 1: you didn't ever show who you are. You did like
Speaker 1: videos all over the internet with other people lip syncing
Speaker 1: your song, and then you had your big debut on
Speaker 1: Jimmy Fallon who's the best. He's wonderful and you like
Speaker 1: turn around your blue glitter and and I was like,
Speaker 1: here is fancy. But after like months of no one
Speaker 1: knowing who you were, how did you come up with
Speaker 1: that plan? Um? That plan was decided once I signed
Speaker 1: into Scooter braun sp Projects and my manager Olivia then
Speaker 1: manager Olivia and U Republic, And it was the marketing
Speaker 1: plan that got put in place. And did you like
Speaker 1: that marketing plan? Yeah? I really loved the idea of
Speaker 1: it not being about anything other than the song and
Speaker 1: the music, and um, I was into it. And of
Speaker 1: course when you it was my first record deal, you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of just like anxious and eager and
Speaker 1: will do anything, so that was a good distinction. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was just kind of like they went with it.
Speaker 1: It went, you know, it was just kind of over
Speaker 1: like it's kind of a rapid fire thing that just
Speaker 1: kind of happened, and um, yeah it was really cool.
Speaker 1: The Fallon thing was the first time that I was
Speaker 1: literally just like he was blown away by you. He's amazing,
Speaker 1: He's so wonderful. How is he so wonderful? Oh? I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's one of my crushes going back to
Speaker 1: the beginning, good throw him on there. Yeah, he's he
Speaker 1: was just so kind and sweet and um, everything he
Speaker 1: is on his show, he was in real life. So
Speaker 1: it was just it was an amazing experience and um yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm super I'm super grateful for every experience I've encountered,
Speaker 1: this whole fought, this whole, this whole time. I mean
Speaker 1: it's I mean it's easy to like say, like when
Speaker 1: things aren't going right or when you know things aren't
Speaker 1: looking good, it's easy to be jaded or like look
Speaker 1: back on it and be like, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done this, we shouldn't have done that. But
Speaker 1: that's not me. And this whole past year and a
Speaker 1: half since getting signed and having everything happened for me
Speaker 1: has been a whirlwind. I mean it has. I can
Speaker 1: say I've done things that a lot of up and
Speaker 1: coming artists don't always get the chance to say they've done.
Speaker 1: What are some of those things I mean I did?
Speaker 1: I did fallon my song went top forty on radio. Um,
Speaker 1: I went on tour with Ariana Grande and Megan t Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Ariana Megan both saying on my on my
Speaker 1: second single we performed on Dancing with the Stars. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've had a dream situation. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't do that in a year and a half,
Speaker 1: and um, I can say I did. And I've learned
Speaker 1: a lot. I feel like I've been through a very
Speaker 1: extreme boot camp, and I know I'm a better artist,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm a better writer, and i know
Speaker 1: I'm a better person because of the experiences I've gone
Speaker 1: through this past year and a half. And no one
Speaker 1: can take that from me. So it's like moving forward
Speaker 1: and leaving a lot of that behind. As far as
Speaker 1: like work goes, it's it's exciting. I feel free, I
Speaker 1: feel invigorated. I feel like I feel like this is
Speaker 1: just the beginning. And do you feel like now maybe
Speaker 1: you know things you would say no to, like you
Speaker 1: said as a new artist, And I can told when
Speaker 1: I walked into my first management meeting, which was I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not even about saying yes, it's just about wanting
Speaker 1: something so bad and it's like, you know, you see it.
Speaker 1: You you see it with your own eyes, what your
Speaker 1: future is like, what you want for yourself, and like
Speaker 1: you know, people were like, yeah, I get it, you
Speaker 1: know talent, yes, but but it's like I walked in
Speaker 1: there was three five pounds. I was I had one
Speaker 1: song to my artist repertoire. Everything else was written for
Speaker 1: other people, had one song that I had written for myself.
Speaker 1: And I walked in. I was like, here's this. I'm
Speaker 1: ready to be an artist, please and thank you. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean in and it's like, now, I
Speaker 1: mean the experiences I've had and like the lessons I've learned,
Speaker 1: and the songs I have and the music I've created,
Speaker 1: and the people I've met along the way. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to shake me moving forward,
Speaker 1: Like walking into a management meeting or walking into a
Speaker 1: label meeting. I know what I need, I know what
Speaker 1: I'm worth, and I know what I deserve. And it's
Speaker 1: like those are things that are priceless. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to know those things. And and I'm not
Speaker 1: working with Scooter Brown anymore. I'm not working with Republic anymore.
Speaker 1: But um, those relationships are positive and everything was it
Speaker 1: was an amlicable split, and um, I'm one grateful and
Speaker 1: appreciative and of the experiences given to me this past
Speaker 1: year and a half. It's so interesting that you say that,
Speaker 1: because I feel like this industry prepares but you said
Speaker 1: nothing can shake you, Like it's hard for something to
Speaker 1: shake you. This industry rowse you into so many situations,
Speaker 1: with so many walks of life. I feel like a
Speaker 1: big thing that happened to me was I had to
Speaker 1: let go of like trying to control stuff or trying
Speaker 1: to control outcomes, or trying to like, you know, have
Speaker 1: my hand like heavily on stuff because there's so many
Speaker 1: moving pieces. When you're really committed to the entertainment industry, definitely,
Speaker 1: do you feel like you've learned how to just kind
Speaker 1: of surrender it over like work hard. I mean so
Speaker 1: much of the process. I mean literally why my song
Speaker 1: was on radio. I was underground, like not even allowed
Speaker 1: to talk who I was about who I was, And
Speaker 1: I mean that's a hard process. And like it was
Speaker 1: like I kept remembering, if if I can get through this,
Speaker 1: I'm good, and then there'd be one more thing that
Speaker 1: was just like rattled me to the core. And then
Speaker 1: there'll be after I got through that, there'd be another
Speaker 1: thing that just rattled me to the core, and after
Speaker 1: that something else, and after that something else. And having
Speaker 1: friends like Megan Trainer and Brothers Osborne and Casey. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen all of them go through similar situations, you know,
Speaker 1: and so it's like I've learned a lot from a
Speaker 1: lot of people from who have who are way greater
Speaker 1: than me and have done using things, and um, what
Speaker 1: have you learned from them? How to handle those situations?
Speaker 1: I mean, just knowing that my situation is not uncommon
Speaker 1: and and things I'm going through aren't like unique to me,
Speaker 1: and I have a bad habit as I think a
Speaker 1: lot of artists and creative people do to make things
Speaker 1: personal and it's like this is an attack on me
Speaker 1: when it's like, no, it's not. It's this is what's
Speaker 1: happening currently, and if it wasn't, you would be this person,
Speaker 1: or it has happened to everyone else, And just knowing
Speaker 1: that like everyone's road has been bumpy, it's not no one's.
Speaker 1: No one's road to success was gold, you know. It's
Speaker 1: like it's it's always high, like we talked about earlier,
Speaker 1: it's highs and lows and being able to see my
Speaker 1: friends go through those highs and lows. I mean, Brothers
Speaker 1: Osbourne is just celebrated their first number one and it's
Speaker 1: like a very long road, and it's so inspiring to
Speaker 1: me when that song went number one, when they got
Speaker 1: nominated for a Grammy as someone who's watching from afar,
Speaker 1: it's like, it makes me want to go to the
Speaker 1: studio and work a little bit harder. It makes me
Speaker 1: want to go to those meetings and listen a little
Speaker 1: more intently. It makes me it makes me want to
Speaker 1: work on myself and my art and my and my
Speaker 1: passion in your vision. Yeah, it makes me want to
Speaker 1: go there. It makes me want to like continue when
Speaker 1: so many times this industry put stuff on you that
Speaker 1: you're just kind of like, I could do without this,
Speaker 1: Like what is this? Like this is not what I
Speaker 1: signed up for? But don't you think it is not
Speaker 1: what we signed up for. It's like no one knows
Speaker 1: that break that down. There's all this stuff that goes
Speaker 1: with being an artist that no one knows about. This's
Speaker 1: not glamorous. Yeah, it's like glamorous bullshit bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit,
Speaker 1: more bullshit bullshit, bullshit, glamour bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit,
Speaker 1: glamour bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullit. Everyone thinks you make, you
Speaker 1: get a record deal in your life is just made
Speaker 1: in the shade. Yeah, and I mean it. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I was gonna say, it's like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing else in this world I'd rather be doing
Speaker 1: than what I'm doing now. In every high and every low,
Speaker 1: I try to remind myself that. But I mean, there's
Speaker 1: just some situations that happen where you're just kind of like,
Speaker 1: because I am a writer, I could pack all this up.
Speaker 1: I could go be in Nashville, in a city I love,
Speaker 1: with the people I love, and write songs every day
Speaker 1: and that could be my life. You'd be happy and
Speaker 1: I would be happy. Um, but you feel you're being
Speaker 1: called to do that I have. I think I have
Speaker 1: something that i have to do and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to stop until I've done it. Speaking of your platform,
Speaker 1: one really awesome thing you did with your with your
Speaker 1: music video video Goodbye, you really covered some serious topics.
Speaker 1: Why what what made you want to do that? Because
Speaker 1: that's a big, brave, awesome move that you did. You
Speaker 1: hit on a lot of things I'm so tired of
Speaker 1: in this industry and in this world, people having getting
Speaker 1: to have opinions about other people based off things that
Speaker 1: don't pertain to them. It's like someone wants to talk
Speaker 1: about my sexuality, my my femininity, my flamboyancy. They want
Speaker 1: to talk about me having makeup. What I want to
Speaker 1: know is me having any of that? What does that
Speaker 1: have to do with anyone else? And when getting signed
Speaker 1: and all the stuff and talking about it, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's making what what is Middle America gonna think?
Speaker 1: Or what is so and so going to think? Or
Speaker 1: like what about this? And it's like, I just think
Speaker 1: it's so interesting growing up in Middle America and that
Speaker 1: being in my life, Like thinking about how much weight
Speaker 1: gets put on people's appearance, people's sexuality, people's gender. Tell
Speaker 1: me about your music video? What did you cover on that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So we had three different people actors, um pretend to
Speaker 1: be me, but they were all um in different ways.
Speaker 1: They were not acceptable to the standard of what a
Speaker 1: pop star is. Um. We had a girl who is
Speaker 1: um so much fun on set and she was just
Speaker 1: so kind, but you know she was a bigger woman
Speaker 1: and um, she walks into her sweats and like just
Speaker 1: walks in and then through the process they turned into
Speaker 1: this like glamorous diva, you know. And it's like there's
Speaker 1: another one who his name is Marcus and he walked
Speaker 1: in as a woman. He walked in is his like
Speaker 1: how he sees himself? And um, his I think his
Speaker 1: woman's name is Daniella. I mean, he's a beautiful woman
Speaker 1: and a beautiful man. It's kind of crazy. And through
Speaker 1: that process of him going through the video, you see
Speaker 1: them turn him into a cowboy and then, um, the
Speaker 1: third one was this kid who's just like tattooed up, like,
Speaker 1: walks in and then I'm just kind of a street
Speaker 1: kid and then they cover his tattoos up with an
Speaker 1: airbrush and then make him into like a Justin Bieber
Speaker 1: look alike. So basically, it's saying they're turning someone's who
Speaker 1: they what they originally are and they're authentic self into
Speaker 1: something that's acceptable. And you're kind of saying like I'm
Speaker 1: done with that, you know what I'm saying. That's not okay,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. And um with the Goodbye thing,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people listen to it and
Speaker 1: it's I mean, obviously I wrote it when I was
Speaker 1: going through a relationship um plunder, but it's like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we allow in our lives
Speaker 1: so that we do need to say goodbye to and um,
Speaker 1: other people's opinions is kind of one of the biggest ones.
Speaker 1: I feel so much free now that I just do
Speaker 1: not give a ship what people think about me. I
Speaker 1: don't When was that turning point for you? Um, when
Speaker 1: I became fancy, So it was like an evolution. It
Speaker 1: literally was like a million pound way lifted off in me.
Speaker 1: I felt like I could run for the first time.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, So then you did a big song
Speaker 1: with Megan Trainer and I wrote a song in Nashville
Speaker 1: with Bobby Pierrot and one of his writer's named Jason Gantt,
Speaker 1: and um, it was my favorite song. And when I
Speaker 1: got signed, I literally demanded that this song was on
Speaker 1: my record or was I was allowed to sing it
Speaker 1: because it was about boys I don't know, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Scooter and everyone on board at the time, because that's
Speaker 1: probably the most like out there songs saying because even
Speaker 1: Sam Hunt, Sam Smith, he didn't like outwardly talk about
Speaker 1: sexual like the gender. Yeah, I am in no way ambiguous.
Speaker 1: I never want to be hushed. I'm like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: these songs are my journals and um. As we covered
Speaker 1: earlier about crushes, I have a lot of them, and
Speaker 1: I make common mistakes with every single boy, and it's
Speaker 1: just kind of like I was telling, I literally walked
Speaker 1: into Bob's writing room and it was just kind of
Speaker 1: like talking about it, and he was like, well, you
Speaker 1: need to stop following for boys like that. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And we wrote the song and Megan
Speaker 1: and I have been friends for a long time and yeah,
Speaker 1: and we have been writing together since we were way
Speaker 1: before she was Megan Trainer. I mean, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I still have an email in my Gmail account from
Speaker 1: where she's like, yo, if you know Megan, it's yo. UM.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to be an artist
Speaker 1: or anything, but if I do, if I do decide
Speaker 1: to do it, this would be my song. And it's
Speaker 1: all about that bass. Are you kidding me? Literally? I was, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like and then like at the Grandma,
Speaker 1: she's the best new artists, and it's just kind of like,
Speaker 1: I guess she decided to be an artist. Wasn't cool?
Speaker 1: Sh It happens to really cool people, and it's like
Speaker 1: it's just it's inspiring to me, and it's like Megan's
Speaker 1: road hasn't been like paved with gold, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's I mean, she's a she's a real cool chick,
Speaker 1: and so I was really nice to have her on
Speaker 1: this song. And at first it was just her and
Speaker 1: Eye and then at the time, me and Ariana had
Speaker 1: the same manager and the same label, and they were like,
Speaker 1: what if what if this was like your Bang Bang moment?
Speaker 1: And they they asked me if i'd write a third
Speaker 1: verse for Arianna. So I did, and that weekend I
Speaker 1: was in the studio with Ariana Grande and was that amazing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, Arianna is an amazing She's just so funny
Speaker 1: and she's fun to be around, and she can do
Speaker 1: she's hysterical. I mean, yeah, she really can't. I would
Speaker 1: hate to know what her impersonation of me is probably,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe I don't know it has to be,
Speaker 1: but she Yeah, she was a lot of fun to
Speaker 1: be with, and the three of us together is just
Speaker 1: they're both friends. So it's just it's really cool. Was
Speaker 1: that just a real moment in your life? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you as with the stars when I was like
Speaker 1: the three of us. I was just kind of like,
Speaker 1: what is life? Yeah, I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: just going with it. Yeah, but it's one of those things.
Speaker 1: It's like I think two years ago, people would have
Speaker 1: told me that wasn't wouldn't be possible, and it happened,
Speaker 1: and I'm super grateful for it. I Mean, both Megan
Speaker 1: and Ariana have been amazing to me and it supported
Speaker 1: me in like a really big way. And so they've
Speaker 1: just been really good friends to me in real life
Speaker 1: and in my career. So super thankful for them. So
Speaker 1: what are you most excited about for two thousand six.
Speaker 1: I'm most excited about getting back to me and um,
Speaker 1: getting back to the music I want to create, and
Speaker 1: putting out the images of me I want to put
Speaker 1: out there, and um, not sugarcoating it. I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm excited about, not sugarcoating. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be real, I wanted to be raw, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be honest. I wanted to be fancied. Word to your
Speaker 1: mother dropped the mic on that. Okay, So okay, let's
Speaker 1: wrap up. That was kind of amazing. I like to
Speaker 1: leave with a little segment called leave your light. So
Speaker 1: give me some inspiration, something that's inspiredy or something that
Speaker 1: you want to inspire on others. Oh my goodness, I
Speaker 1: feel like I gave all my inspirational stories away. Did
Speaker 1: you actually this is kind of like a leave your
Speaker 1: Light episode. Yeah, Like the whole thing was really empowering,
Speaker 1: which honestly is the point of my podcast. I am
Speaker 1: spotlighting people who have had long journeys and everyone thinks
Speaker 1: they just see like the highlight the highlight reel, But
Speaker 1: behind behind the highlight reel there is like a lot
Speaker 1: of ship that goes down and it's a long journey.
Speaker 1: Have to commit to it. So I think it's inspiring
Speaker 1: to hear people's stories like yourself, you don't give up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think about when if it was like leave
Speaker 1: your Light and like I knew, like a bunch of
Speaker 1: like kids like in Arkansas, we're going to hear it,
Speaker 1: and like the first thing that's on you're heavy on
Speaker 1: your heart? What comes to your heart first? Something to you?
Speaker 1: I think I would like, I just I don't believe them,
Speaker 1: is what I would say. Is when people doubt you,
Speaker 1: don't believe them. Believe yourself and believe in yourself and
Speaker 1: that's kind of been the backbone of my whole life
Speaker 1: is everyone's like, how did you do this? Or how
Speaker 1: did you get through that? How did you get through this?
Speaker 1: And it's like, I've never not believed in myself, regardless
Speaker 1: of I was open about my sexuality, regardless if I
Speaker 1: was in Arkansas, regardless if I was in Nashville or
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. I've always believed in myself. And I think
Speaker 1: that comes from my parents instilling that in me. Um,
Speaker 1: you gotta write that too. Don't believe them? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that's I just don't believe people who don't understand
Speaker 1: my vision, who don't see it and speak doubt. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in speaking doubt to anyone. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's our job as people to lift people up
Speaker 1: and to make people feel magical and to make them
Speaker 1: realize that they're best versions of themselves, because so many
Speaker 1: people have done that for me, and it's like, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's the kind of person I want to be.
Speaker 1: When people don't speak that way, when people speak negative,
Speaker 1: when people are hurtful, speak doubt into others, I don't
Speaker 1: believe it. It's not worth my time. I love that
Speaker 1: and that's not the legacy you're trying to leave. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: fancy fancy you're the greatest human on earth. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I think you might be. No. I feel like you
Speaker 1: have a lot to I feel like you have a
Speaker 1: big message to share. I believe I do too. And
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this album that's coming together and um,
Speaker 1: just opportunities that around the corner. They're coming. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel them. I feel like it's smell a lot more
Speaker 1: so close. Okay, we're wrapping up. You did your light,
Speaker 1: But like, don't you really believe that? I feel like
Speaker 1: speak talking about this is a little bit for creative people.
Speaker 1: I think especially can feel stuff coming like it's like
Speaker 1: you see it almost happening. And that's not a hippie
Speaker 1: dippie voodoo ship. I mean I I think everything happens
Speaker 1: for a reason. I mean, nothing in my life has
Speaker 1: been unanswered. It's like this happens in the moment, I'm like,
Speaker 1: why is this happening? And then in a very short
Speaker 1: time it's kind of like, oh, and I really believe
Speaker 1: that thing Like one door shuts and a window opens,
Speaker 1: and my life experience has been like a door shut
Speaker 1: and like the house falls down and I'm like good
Speaker 1: to go, Like it's like I can go anywhere. So
Speaker 1: it's like that's what I feel right now. I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel I see all the windows opening and
Speaker 1: I'm just ready to climb through. I don't believe him,
Speaker 1: don't believe them. Okay, Fancy, He's the best. Thank you
Speaker 1: for having me, Thanks for coming, Thanks for all the
Speaker 1: dogs participating. Okay Bay, thank you all so much for
Speaker 1: tuning into hyper Caroline Hobby. I hope that you loved
Speaker 1: hearing from who is Fancy? He is so amazing and
Speaker 1: inspirational and I cannot wait to keep following his career
Speaker 1: and seeing what kind of crazy shenanigans he gets into,
Speaker 1: because lord knows they're going to be fantastic and fabulous.
Speaker 1: Next week, I have a thousand horses with me, which
Speaker 1: I'm so stoked about because I love these guys. I'm
Speaker 1: married to the lead singer and they're just badass dudes.
Speaker 1: They had an awesome year last year. Their song Smoke
Speaker 1: came out, I went to number one, They toured Darius Rucker,
Speaker 1: they just just got announced there, nominated for an a
Speaker 1: c M New Group of the Year, and they're just
Speaker 1: bad at ass dude, so you won't want to miss it.
Speaker 1: Tune in next Wednesday to Hypercurelin Hobby, and please subscribe.
Speaker 1: See you soon, bye h