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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast. This

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Speaker 1: this episode two one one. I am your host, Brad Ruin,

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Speaker 1: coming to you on a Sunday. It is June eighth,

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Speaker 1: and the vibes all right, I could probably say at

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Speaker 1: all time low with confidence on this podcast. I am

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Speaker 1: joined today by Steven Tolbert because look, Stephen is in

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Speaker 1: the country. I guess Scot's in the country, but not really,

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Speaker 1: he's not in the commental for the forty eight states. Stephen,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hook go ahead right now and apologize to

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Speaker 1: you for having asked you to do this podcast.

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Speaker 2: How are you, hey, buddy? It has been a week.

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Speaker 2: You know, we did those shows. Sean and I did

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Speaker 2: a show on Wednesday, You did a show on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: and we really thought the low you know, we really

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Speaker 2: thought we were kind of at the low point. And

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Speaker 2: it's funny when you come off a season where you

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Speaker 2: started zero to seven and you were five and thirteen

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Speaker 2: a one point, you kind of at least feel like,

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Speaker 2: at least you've experienced the low point of that season.

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Speaker 2: The Braves, however, had other things in mind, because what

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Speaker 2: they've done over the last two or three weeks has

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Speaker 2: driven us to a low point we didn't really think

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Speaker 2: was possible with this team. And we're gonna get into

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Speaker 2: all the gruesome details. We're gonna go game by game,

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Speaker 2: but it I mean, it's been brutal. It's been absolute brute.

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Speaker 2: There's no other word for I mean, watching these games

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Speaker 2: have just been painful. That it's just agonizing loss after

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Speaker 2: agonizing loss that are inventing new ways to lose. It's

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Speaker 2: actually kind of been unbelievable, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a word. I think. I think Snicker might

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Speaker 1: have said that we're unbelievable over the weekend at some

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Speaker 1: point in an interview. I don't want to overstate it,

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Speaker 1: but it kind of is. And look, this is I

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Speaker 1: think it's pretty obvious if you pay attention to the

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Speaker 1: team for a long time, but this is pretty much

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Speaker 1: the low point for the franchise since twenty seventeen, since

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Speaker 1: the rebuild, since the kind of the re rebuild in

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Speaker 1: the middle of that run. Like they were bad back then,

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Speaker 1: and there's been some tough moments along the way, some

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Speaker 1: playoff losses of course that we all remember very well.

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Speaker 1: Those are a different kind of feeling, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you're in that place. I had some slow starts to

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about it. I'm trying to find

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Speaker 2: a comparable in season moment Indian thoughpless Era, and the

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Speaker 2: closest I came to was twenty one when the Braves

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Speaker 2: were really bad, or not really bad, but they were

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Speaker 2: really mediocre and then Ronald tore his knee. Yeah you

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Speaker 2: know that day. Are the two or three days after that.

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Speaker 2: That's the closest I can come to what this has

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Speaker 2: felt like. Quite honestly, Yeah, I think you're right, And

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Speaker 2: I still think that was. That was in July of

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Speaker 2: that year, and we all know what happened after that.

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Speaker 2: But you're right it was that wasn't this. I mean

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Speaker 2: the feeling was similar because because of.

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Speaker 1: Ronnie and the fact that he was the budding superstar

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Speaker 1: was out for the season, all those things. But I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna just lay out what's happened, and I'm sure people

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Speaker 1: know this, but just put it on one thing here.

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Speaker 1: I'm hold on for one second, Steve, and this is

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Speaker 1: going to get ugly, So you can close close your

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Speaker 1: ears if you want to. The Raiders now lost seven

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Speaker 1: straight games. That's bad enough in itself. They did it

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Speaker 1: earlier this season. I get it, but that's really bad.

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Speaker 1: They're now ten games out of five hundred for the

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Speaker 1: first time since twenty seventeen. Five of those seven losses

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Speaker 1: in some variety. Like there are probably some degrees there,

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Speaker 1: or five horrible losses in a row. They now have

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Speaker 1: fourteen losses in the last seventeen games for the first

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Speaker 1: The first team in baseball to lose any five games

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Speaker 1: so it's been three plus years since any team, bad team,

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Speaker 1: also have the most one run losses in baseball this

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Speaker 1: it's not like in October. Sewn. Stat is those nineteen

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Speaker 1: almost a third of the of the Braves games so

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Speaker 1: far have been one run losses. That's the most one

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Speaker 1: There were five teams last year in baseball, it didn't

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Speaker 1: have nineteen one one losses in the entire season. It

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Speaker 1: is June eighth. I don't even know what we're doing here, Steven, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, in some ways, this is a very measured

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Speaker 1: analytical podcast the time. We have emotions too, But I

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Speaker 1: said this too, this is actually crazy. Two losses ago,

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Speaker 1: I tweeted, I don't know what to say, and I'm

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Speaker 2: On Wednesday, Sean and I did a show and I

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Speaker 1: We all were.

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Speaker 2: That was four days ago, and that was before the

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Speaker 2: last six years. Yeah, I know the Colorado loss happened

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Speaker 2: I mean in the East is basically over for the Braves.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Scott said so. Scott and I talked almost

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Speaker 1: haven't won a game since then. Steven, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Like lost like six games in the division since then.

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Speaker 1: The Braves on June eighth, are nine and a half

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Speaker 1: We can talk about if you want to go back

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Speaker 1: ten weeks, twelve weeks, whatever it is. Even the biggest

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Speaker 1: It's unthinkable, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible.

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Speaker 2: They got six teams ahead of the odds of you

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Speaker 1: This is not gospel, but it's a good metric. Fangrafts

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Speaker 1: But even if they don't love that, we'll call it ninety.

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Speaker 1: they've outscored their opponents. And look, we're not just to

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Speaker 1: that follows process very closely more than a lot of fans. Do.

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Speaker 1: I get that. We're not excusing anything at this moment,

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Speaker 1: Like we're as bad as everybody else is. They're not

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Speaker 1: they're two and a half days behind the Nationals. It's

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Speaker 1: the Brands are not playing well and haven't played well

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they've played they've actually played like a

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Speaker 1: Agreed, strongly agree with that one hundred percent. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: they've played like a five hundred level team, and that's

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Speaker 1: the home run and people like this is two in

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Speaker 1: a row for Pierce Johnson. I'm like, did you watch Friday?

431
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Speaker 1: Like that was not on Piers Johnson Anyway, I have

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Speaker 1: nothing else to ad. Friday's game was like in a

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Speaker 1: lad to be frustrating. They did get off the mat.

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Speaker 1: If you want to find one small Sean Coleman bit

435
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Speaker 1: of optimism, you could say they got off the mat

436
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Speaker 1: and tied the game. Also had a big knock that

437
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Speaker 1: was a great swing. He's by the way, what's just

438
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just me? I keep looking. Matt Olson's currently

439
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 1: leading the Braves in Fangrafts War and Baseball Reference War.

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Speaker 1: He has been their best player this season. Do you

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Speaker 1: think if you pulled the fan base they would probab

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Speaker 1: they would agree with.

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Speaker 2: That, Stephen, There's not a chance in hell they would.

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Speaker 1: No, they wouldn't. But hey, he's been he's been good.

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Speaker 1: Uh are we good on Friday? Anything else to add

446
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Speaker 1: besides bullpen? We'll get to the bullpen in a moment

447
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 1: when we can move on.

448
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 2: We can happily.

449
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: We're flying through these on purpose because it's gonna be rough.

450
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Speaker 1: So Saturday's game was the one point of optimism clearly

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Speaker 1: that we have to talk about, which is Bryce Elder.

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Speaker 1: We've been critical of Bryce Elder. You were getting dunked on.

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Speaker 1: I felt bad for you because you were right what

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Speaker 1: you said. I'll I'll let you talk about it, but

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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. Your basic point in advance

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Speaker 1: of the game on Saturday was that on paper, Bryce

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Speaker 1: Elder against Logan Web is not a good matchup for

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Speaker 1: the Braves. Was that basically what you were saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So when the Brains were down three nothing on

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Speaker 2: Friday in the first inning, I tweeted not to be

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Speaker 2: a downer, but tomorrow is Bryce Elder versus Logan Web.

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Speaker 2: And for people that don't know Logan Web, well, first

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Speaker 2: of all, Logan Web doesn't get another. Logan Web is

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Speaker 2: one of the best pitchers in the National League.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he and he literally finished number two in

466
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Speaker 1: SOI Young in twenty twenty three, and then he maybe

467
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Speaker 1: also team last year and finished sixth in so Young.

468
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Speaker 1: He's basically be a top seven or eight pitcher in

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Speaker 1: the baseball for three years.

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Speaker 2: I never get never gets talked about agreed ever, So

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Speaker 2: so that tweet was and Logan Web destroys Atlanta. His

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Speaker 2: numbers against Atlanta are ubserved. So that tweet was mostly

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Speaker 2: about logomb but I will admit some of it was

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Speaker 2: about Bryce Elder, of course, because Bryce Elder is their

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Speaker 2: fist starter and Logan Web is San Francisco's ace. Correct well,

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Speaker 2: I tweeted that and people got very mad, and people

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Speaker 2: have very very mad. They were like, do you realize

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Speaker 2: how much better Bryce Elder's pitched? And listen, I will,

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Speaker 2: I will one hundred percent. I tweeted this out. I

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Speaker 2: did not see the game of Bryce Elder's life coming.

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Speaker 2: If I had seen that coming, I never would have

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Speaker 2: tweeted that.

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Speaker 1: No one, no one would have seen that that that

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Speaker 1: game come. He had pitched better. We talked about that

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Speaker 1: numerous I've heard you and Sean do it. I know

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Speaker 1: Scott and I've done it, but I wanted to defend you.

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Speaker 1: It was just like, man, people have reading comprehension problems

488
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Speaker 1: in general on social media, which I understand, but I

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Speaker 1: was like, he wasn't saying Bryce Older is terrible. He

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Speaker 1: is saying that Logan Web is better than Bryce Older

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Speaker 1: because he.

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Speaker 2: That is a that is a that is a bad

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Speaker 2: matchup for I mean just objective, I mean Vegas, the

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Speaker 2: Braids were like right, my minus two hundred dogs or

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Speaker 2: something like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, the only the that was the of the three

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Speaker 1: games of the series in San Francisco, the worst matchup

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Speaker 1: on paper by far was Saturday. Yeah, and that's not

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Speaker 1: a wrong to say. Now what I want to defend

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Speaker 1: you and we'll move on now. So Bryce was awesome, awesome,

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Speaker 1: like CAPA, a awesome start of his life. And I

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Speaker 1: don't say that in a negative way. That he had

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Speaker 1: basically the best start statistically by a Brave in a

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Speaker 1: few years if you factor in the length, because even

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Speaker 1: Chris Sayle, who won the Young does not go eight

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Speaker 1: innings right like Bryce went eight innings And to the

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Speaker 1: point where fans were wanting h to go to the knife,

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Speaker 1: like I I agree with taking him out if they

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Speaker 1: lived start the knife wouldn't have like lost my mind

510
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Speaker 1: because he was pitching that well. But I I like

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Speaker 1: the move to take him out obviously with that bit them.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that he was even a conversation means

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Speaker 1: that Bryce was pitching out of his mind. Eight shot innings,

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Speaker 1: twelve strikeouts, no walks. He was just incredible, Like, I

515
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: don't know if that's ever gonna happen again. He had weirdness,

516
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Speaker 1: Like I know, he pitched well before he went down.

517
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Speaker 1: He was kind of bad in the minors, and then

518
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Speaker 1: his first start back was not like incredible. It was competitive,

519
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Speaker 1: but it was fine. This was something else, And look,

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Speaker 1: kudos to him. Bryce Otter did anything you could possibly

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Speaker 1: want him to do. It was a one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: how Bryce old start on Saturday, and he freaking deserved

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Speaker 1: to win.

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Speaker 2: He just did well, and the team was coming off

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Speaker 2: two horrendous losses, a five game losing streak. He got

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Speaker 2: Logan Web on the other side, and you pitched that game. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean literally the game of his life. I mean,

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Speaker 2: twelve strike eight innings. I don't think thet I mean

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Speaker 2: until the Giants got those two runs in the ninth,

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Giants had a base runner for

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Speaker 2: like six of those innings. I mean, he was not just.

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Speaker 2: It was not just. It was just one, two, three

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Speaker 2: every time with two strike. I mean, it was insanely good.

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Speaker 2: All the credit in the world of Bryce eller for

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Speaker 2: that start with that much on the line against that

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Speaker 2: dude on the other side, with all the pressure. Best

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Speaker 2: game I've ever seen him pitch, and he deserves That's

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Speaker 2: why eventually was just like, yeah, I'm gonna apologize like

539
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Speaker 2: that that that game was so good that even though

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Speaker 2: my point was valid, it still deserved an apology because

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Speaker 2: that's how unbelievable that game was. I mean, he was unreal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, shut out. I know we allow you know,

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Speaker 1: I know we allowed to run.

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Speaker 2: Oh and I do want to say this one thousand percent.

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Speaker 2: You have to take him out. Yeah, the top of

546
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Speaker 2: the lineup is coming up for a fourth time. If

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Speaker 2: he gives up three runs in the ninth, then you lose.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is crucifying snit and rightfully slow for leaving him

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Speaker 2: out there to die. You cannot. You have to go

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Speaker 2: to a fresh reliever in that spot. Yeah. I did

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Speaker 2: not have any problem with them taking him out.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I know people are gonna yell at

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Speaker 1: us with that's fine. We don't have to agree on

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Speaker 1: with everybody on that. But it was one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seven pitches at that point in time to like, I

556
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Speaker 1: get it. People want to talk about.

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Speaker 2: I honestly thought him coming out with the eighth was aggressive.

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Speaker 1: It was No, I agree with that it was. And

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00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: again this is not no shadey Rice Oder great. I

560
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Speaker 1: want to be unequivocal on how good he was. He

561
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Speaker 1: was awesome. I would have taken him out to the

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Speaker 1: decision to go to Pierce Johnson. Uh, we'll say the

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Speaker 1: other bullpen discussion for later with a kimberl thing. But

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Speaker 1: I wonder what you think about this one because number one,

565
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Speaker 1: so the Braise up by one run going to the

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Speaker 1: ninth after Michael Harris gets it, hits the home run.

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Speaker 1: By the way stick on ejected in this game, people

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Speaker 1: wanted that it happened. I don't know. I think that's

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Speaker 1: it's always funny. People just think there's like a mythical

570
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Speaker 1: power and an ejection. But it happened and they still lost.

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Speaker 2: So there's nothing people on Twitter love more to argue

572
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Speaker 2: about them whether Snitch should or should not be ejected

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Speaker 2: from a game.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also it's also, uh, this is my this

575
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Speaker 1: is my sociology take. I think because Bobby Cox is

576
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Speaker 1: the all time ejections leader, people just got weaned on

577
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Speaker 1: that and liked when he got ejected, Sometimes that's just

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Speaker 1: my two cents. Anyway, fast forward, they should have scored

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Speaker 1: more than one run when they scored, when they scored

580
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: before that, that's that was the problem as well. But

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Speaker 1: we get to the ninth it was we thought it

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Speaker 1: was offline, you and I and I think Scott Even

583
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: and Sean, but this is I think we've decided the

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Speaker 1: first time in the Ryslaw Glacias era in Atlanta that

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Speaker 1: he was seemingly available to pitch and did not get

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Speaker 1: the ninth inning with a one run league, like this

587
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: is a prime it is going to be a Glacias turnal,

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00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: lights out spot, and because of how bad he had been,

589
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: he earned not having the role for sure. Snit was

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Speaker 1: noncommittal on Friday when he was asked about whether he

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Speaker 1: would be the closer, and he didn't say no, but

592
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Speaker 1: he didn't say yes, and that's kind of like the Hey,

593
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: it's probably not gonna be him anymore. And they go

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00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: to Pierce Johnson and I liter to it earlier. Pierce

595
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: got unlucky on Friday. Didn't really do anything wrong. By

596
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: the numbers this season, and by especially the more advanced numbers,

597
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: he's been their best right handed reliever. Aaron Bummer has

598
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: been their best reliever this season by the numbers, but

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Speaker 1: Pierre Johnson is probably their best natch sual closer candidate

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Speaker 1: that is not a Glaciers that's my opinion. Do you

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Speaker 1: agree with that? And what did you think about going

602
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: to Pierce in that spot? Obviously we know now it

603
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: didn't work, So if you want to be only a

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Speaker 1: result rate of person, obviously it was quoteunquote the wrong

605
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: move because you get to the home run. But going

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Speaker 1: into the knife, what did you think about going to

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Speaker 1: pers by process?

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00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: I had no problem? Like so you have to remember

609
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: that coming up for the Giants, they had the guy

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Speaker 2: leading off, I can't remember his name, but he was

611
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Speaker 2: a left hander. And then they had three ridings. They

612
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 2: had Ramos, they had Flores, and they had Chat So

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Speaker 2: you had three of their best three hitters are all

614
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: right handed, so you had their best three right handed

615
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: hitters coming up. So you absolutely need to put your

616
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Speaker 2: whoever you think your best right handed reliever is at

617
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: the moment is the guy that needs to come in,

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Speaker 2: and right now that guy is Pierce Johnson. I agree,

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Speaker 2: I know it's I know it should be Russell Glaciers

620
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: right now, it's not. And I credit the team for

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Speaker 2: finally admitting that because we've we've gone through season in

622
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: the past where the closer has been bad and it's

623
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Speaker 2: taking them a long time to admit that.

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00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: I think they would have. Honestly, they were trying not to,

625
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: and I think Clacy's just made him.

626
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: He was just so bad they just couldn't avoid it anymore.

627
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we've seen some I think about will

628
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: Smith when he was carrying eras in the fives or sixes,

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Speaker 1: and they kept because there would be enough, Like every

630
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: once in a while, will Smith would like have a

631
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Speaker 1: week when he was good and it was like, all right,

632
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: that's enough to stem the tide. And if Lacey's given

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00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: them that at all, so we agree. I know that

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00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: the people that hate Pierce Johnson whatever, this bullpen is

635
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: a mess, and that's not up. I think Pierce is

636
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Speaker 1: the only.

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00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 2: Pierce is the only one that's actually closed game, like

638
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: has closed games before.

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00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: He has closer I mean closer experience. Whatever you think

640
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: about that, it is what it is. But like my

641
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: point is, who who would you rather have seen?

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00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: Exactly, nobody could do. What could could be an answer

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00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: to that? Like Dale Santos. Yeah, that's who you want

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Speaker 1: to go to over Pierre Johnson. Dasbell's on the I

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Speaker 1: l and by the way, has not been good this year.

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Speaker 1: I know he has a lowisra. He's has not been good.

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Speaker 1: You know there were great options. Aaron Bumber again has

649
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Speaker 1: been the best relieve of this year. Sorry everybody. He

650
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Speaker 1: has been by like a pretty ut him.

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Speaker 2: Out honestly long by a wide margin.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it didn't work. I honestly, look, Snitt is

653
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Speaker 1: certainly in the cross here is right now. Any type

654
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Speaker 1: of any type of team that does this and under

655
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Speaker 1: achieves to this degree, the manager is going to get heat.

656
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Speaker 1: You can debate on how much heat she should get.

657
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: Like I have a hard time and I get it.

658
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Speaker 1: This loss, by all the other losses is like fire snit.

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Speaker 1: I totally get it. I don't think sit died anything

660
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Speaker 1: wrong in this game. I really didn't. I thought he

661
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: was like he did, but I would have done like

662
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: this means I'm right, But I thought there was like.

663
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Speaker 2: Also got ejected in the sixth inning.

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Speaker 1: He got he wasn't even in there.

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Speaker 2: That's right, even if he was making that decision.

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Speaker 1: I played well. I played Walt fire wise. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: that's that's the game on Saturday. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what else to say about that. All right, Steven, one

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Speaker 1: more one more break to different partners well quickly on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and then there's a lot of bullpen machinations. The bullpen's

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Speaker 1: turned over quite a bit in the las few days.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into all of that and more after a

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Speaker 1: word from our partners.

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Speaker 3: Hey, if you want to keep the conversation going after

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Speaker 3: a show that you're listening to on the FT network,

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Speaker 3: then head to chat. Bcc AJ's on there.

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Speaker 1: I'm on there right now, typing away.

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Speaker 4: I'll be there.

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Speaker 1: We'll be there all the time, talking about what topics

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Speaker 1: people want to discuss, what we want, what everyone wants

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Speaker 1: to hear us talk about on foul Territory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you have a question, we can answer it

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Speaker 1: Okay, Stephen, Sunday's game kind of run of the mill, painful,

689
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: not not the same level as some of the others.

690
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: They have a three to one lead after three and

691
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Speaker 1: a half innings. By the way, all three runs driven

692
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Speaker 1: in Mi mitt Olsen, who had a good weekend. Strider

693
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: doesn't look great. Do you want to, really you want

694
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Speaker 1: to talk about it now? Again, I don't really want to.

695
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm not in the bood to talk about s writer,

696
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 1: but it's it is what it is. If you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about it, we can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I mean, it's just wait and see.

699
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: We just got to wait and see. I'm not ready.

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Speaker 2: I'm not ready for any definitive statementship.

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Speaker 1: We agree on that he's not looking great. Now we

702
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: can say that he's not pitching at elite level, that's

703
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: for sure. But he he walks the first two guys

704
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Speaker 1: in the fourth, which is not what you want with

705
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: it's your run lead, and then allows True a double

706
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Speaker 1: to tie the game. So that's that's just on him.

707
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: It's three to three now, and then we couldn't have known.

708
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: It's the fourth inning. Again, it's not the eighth inning.

709
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: It's the fourth inning. The final run of the game

710
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: scores on a air by Ozzie Alvis. Bad like bad moment, obviously,

711
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Speaker 1: like it wasn't any worse than some of the other

712
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Speaker 1: errors that happened this weekend. You mentioned the one by

713
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Speaker 1: Riley on I think it was Friday, that this is

714
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Speaker 1: as funny as this is to say, the Brave has

715
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Speaker 1: been really good defensively as a team this season.

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Speaker 2: By the numbers, now, a lot of that, A lot

717
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Speaker 2: of that is Michael Harris and Nick Allen and.

718
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Speaker 1: Mats and the catchers that the four of them basically

719
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Speaker 1: the shortstop centerfielder.

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Speaker 2: And has been weirdly awesome.

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Speaker 1: What Okada's arm has been incredible, So.

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Speaker 2: You've been a diving catch today is weirdly awesome.

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Speaker 1: And left field's not like horrific. Yeah, with the guys

724
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Speaker 1: they're playing, but Riley's had a bad year, Ozzie's not great,

725
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Speaker 1: but they've had a really, really, really good defense seas

726
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Speaker 1: as a team. Yeah, which kind of goes back what

727
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: we said before, like it's so brutal this is all

728
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: happening the way that it is because they've been playing

729
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: good defense. It's probably the only thing that they've done

730
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Speaker 1: well this year on the whole play defense, So should

731
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Speaker 1: have been in a third out of the inning, allows

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Speaker 1: a run that shouldn't kill you like you should have

733
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Speaker 1: a score run in the last five innings of the game. Steven,

734
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what frustrates me about those two games,

736
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Speaker 2: the last two games. Is. Yes, Saturday's game ended in

737
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Speaker 2: heartbreaking fashion, but and today's game was not as brutal,

738
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Speaker 2: but it was bad. But in both games there was

739
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: opportunities where the Braves could have added on runs had

740
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Speaker 2: runners at third base less than one out. And on Saturday,

741
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: Acunya struck out. And listen, Acunya has been awesome. Acunya

742
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: has been capitally awesome. But the Braves keep getting in

743
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: these situations where they can add on a very important

744
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 2: run which turns out to be a very important run,

745
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: they don't do it. It happened again to day. Madd Olson

746
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: hits that double off the wall to drive into They

747
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: immediately throw a wild pitch, so Matt Olson is a

748
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: third a. Zuna strikes out, and like Azuna and Acuna

749
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Speaker 2: have been two of their best hitter. So I'm not

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Speaker 2: ripping these guys overall, But every single night there is

751
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Speaker 2: a moment where the Braves can add on runs and

752
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: they don't. And when you're losing this many one run games.

753
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 4: In a row.

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Speaker 2: Every single run you don't get is massive, and Azuna

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Speaker 2: is in a whole You know, we can talk about

756
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: Azuna if you want about the hip and you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's he's hurt and he's I think

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Speaker 1: it's I think you said that today he's one of

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Speaker 1: his last twenty four or something like that. Four He

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Speaker 1: had a bad he had a bad week. He looks

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Speaker 1: not great. Look props him for getting it out like

762
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Speaker 1: playing hurt obviously, but yeah, I mean you mentioned like

763
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Speaker 1: a Saturday, just be more specific, like they had basically

764
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: they did score a run, but they had basis loaded,

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Speaker 1: no out, so they got one.

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Speaker 2: And it's like Maddlson popped up and that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: He's heard it and he yeah, a good weekend. That

768
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: was a bad moment for him.

769
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Speaker 2: So he dudes have come through in other spots, but

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Speaker 2: like in these specific moments, they're just failing over and

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Speaker 2: over and I don't I mean, no one knows why.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's a sequencing issue. I mean, the office

773
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: has not been good anyway, not to really get the

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00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: whole thing in, but if you just simulated their numbers,

775
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: their ops, their WRC plus whatever you want to number

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Speaker 1: you want to use, and said how many runs should

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Speaker 1: they have? They should have more runs than they have. Yeah,

778
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: it's been sequencing problems and clutch problems and roscore position

779
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: problems and all these things that you want to fix.

780
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: And maybe it's you know.

781
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: They get the fewest amount of runs out of every

782
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: like almost every rally they have.

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Speaker 1: They sure do, and it's bad thing. So, yeah, they

784
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: didn't score enough today. I put the law. As much

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00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: as Strider was not great today, I put that loss

786
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: on the offense, to be honest.

787
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Speaker 2: Three on runs and six innings.

788
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: Like, yeah he wasn't he he did recover and the

789
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: bullpen threw two scoreless innings and you just had opportunity

790
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: after opportunity to score even the ninth. I mean, I

791
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: will say, Alex Ferd, yougo, this is Sundays we're talking,

792
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: so I remember this now it's fresh in my mind.

793
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: But to go struck out looking in the ninth on

794
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Speaker 1: a pitch that was a foot outside, and it's like,

795
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 1: come on, man, like.

796
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: In this series were atrocious.

797
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: We could leave it there. But you're right one hundred percent, okay,

798
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: we we tease it enough. Other than the losing, which

799
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: is not a small factor. The big story over the

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Speaker 1: weekend was the bullpen transaction cycle, headlined by potential future

801
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer crick Right. Uh So, just to lay

802
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: it out, Kimer comes up finally, we've been seeing it

803
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: he would for a couple of months now, six weeks now,

804
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: whatever it's, whatever it is, And he had this good

805
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: ray in the minors, but not great peripheral stuff and

806
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: all this stuff. He comes up on Friday, big hullabaloo,

807
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: the return, all these things he pitches. He doesn't give

808
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: up any big stuff, which is always the thing. You

809
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: can always tell who carries about process stuff and who

810
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: doesn't when it comes to e ra versus other stuff pitching.

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Speaker 1: Prime example here Kimberl sits ninety one ninety two with

812
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: the fastball. Everyone that was there was like, he did

813
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: not look good at all, Like to me, looked like

814
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: a non maybe a bat, maybe like an eighth guy.

815
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: The bullpen would have been fine. But he does not

816
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: profile as a difference maker at all. If he was

817
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: not named Craig Kimberl, no one would care what was

818
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 1: happening right now. But he is great Kimberl. So there's

819
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: this factor about like how you handle him, because so

820
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: he comes up Friday, the spoiler, if you missed this,

821
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: he's DFA the next day after not getting up four runs,

822
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: like just kind of just throwing a clean not clean,

823
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: but a zero run inning, right, and then there's the

824
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: outright cyckle because they just lost the game again, all

825
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: the stuff, so we'll stop here. Oh, one more thing.

826
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Speaker 1: Then it gets around on Twitter or whatever that the

827
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: Brays paid him two million dollars to pitch one game,

828
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: which is, in case you've seen this, flatly incorrect. He

829
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: got paid a pro rated number for a few days

830
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: of work because you get waived so you're still on

831
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: the team technically for a couple more days. It's like

832
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty thousand dollars, which in baseball parlance is

833
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: nothing essentially. So let's just to spell that right now.

834
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: He did not get paid two million dollars. And by

835
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Speaker 1: the way, Steven, I'll say this with confidence. You can

836
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: correct me if you think I'm wrong. If the Braves

837
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: actually had to pay him two million dollars and would

838
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: have risked that, they wouldn't have called him up. Correct,

839
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Speaker 1: That's that's what would have happened. People were like, oh,

840
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: they would have kept him. No, no, no, they would have

841
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: called him in the first place, that's what would have happened.

842
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: They would have released him in the minors. So I'll

843
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: throw it to you, what did you make of this?

844
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: Because since then it was it was Austin Cox, and

845
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: then it was just the fresh arm that was around.

846
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: Then they claimed Jose ruiz offway from the Phillies. Neither

847
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: one of them are very good, so they were They're

848
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: being compared to Craig Kimberl, which is I get why

849
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: because those are the guys that came. But that's only

850
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: the one part of this. But what'd you make it?

851
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: The Kmerl SACas it was obviously a big story.

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00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's two parts of this that I want

853
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: to keep very The first part is Kimberle the picture

854
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, and I think this podcast specifically

855
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: did a good job. We've talked about it for months

856
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: managing people's expectation of what Craig Kimbell looks like in

857
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: the miners. We have stat cast data in TRIPLEA. Now

858
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 2: every pitch you throw in Gwinnett was cataloged. Everybody knew

859
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 2: and we tried to tell people over and over again,

860
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: this is not twenty thirteen Correk Crymple. He is not

861
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 2: throwing ninety eight. He is throwing ninety one, ninety two,

862
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: ninety three. He's got if he command. This is what

863
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: if you listen to this podcast, what you saw on

864
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: Friday night should not have been a surprise.

865
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: Agreed.

866
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: So I have zero problem with the Braves deciding he

867
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 2: has no business being in a major league bullpit. I

868
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: didn't think he belonged in him. I Sean asked me

869
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: on Wednesday for what I thought. I don't. I was

870
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: completely indifferent to the Kimberl thing. I I'm not a

871
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: nostalgia guy anyway, so like that stuff doesn't really affect

872
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 2: me the way to effect. So I just didn't care.

873
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: I don't. I have no problem that he's not on

874
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: the team. So I want to put that aside, and

875
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: I think you agree with that. The part that I

876
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: the part that I don't get is the process they

877
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: went through.

878
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: I also agree with this because this is where I

879
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't know if the else cares, but

880
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: I think the way they did this was just designing

881
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: the llawed to piss off the fans.

882
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like honestly, they they chose the worst possible pr

883
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: way to handle this with the minimal amount of game. Like,

884
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: all right, so you have the big blow up on Thursday,

885
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: the bullpen blows up and it's embarrassing, and so they

886
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: make the move. They announced the move almost immediate, or

887
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: they don't announce it, but it gets leaked almost immediated.

888
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: Kimbell's coming up. They're going to San Francisco, so they

889
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: have to fly Craig Kimbell five hours out to not

890
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: a home game, not a home game, fly him out

891
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: to San Francisco, dude, all and you know as soon

892
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: as you call him up, it's going to be a

893
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: big media thing. The Prodigal Sun returns. This kid was

894
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: a you know, on all time for the Braves a

895
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: decade ago.

896
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: Yep.

897
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: So they do the whole media thing on Friday. They

898
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: actually do a thing where they sit Kimberl down and

899
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: talk about like what his role is gonna because I

900
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: found this really weird. Like Snith came out and was like,

901
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: we're not We're never gonna pitch him before the fifth inning.

902
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: Like they set all this stuff to the media like

903
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: he might close some he might get some high leverage,

904
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: which is wild, which is wild, but they did all this,

905
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: so they went through this whole process. He looked exactly

906
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: like he looked in the miners, which was ninety one,

907
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: ninety two, ninety three with bad command. He was lucky

908
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: to get through the inning. He got through unscathed. They

909
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: also brought him out in high leverage. They brought him

910
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: out in the seventh inning of a tie game with

911
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: the top of the lineup up.

912
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: Which was insane behavior.

913
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: Same behavior.

914
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, he.

915
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: Looked exactly like he looked the entire minor league season.

916
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: Gets out of the inning scoreless. The next morning they

917
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: DFA him, send his ass back to Now he's got

918
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: to fly back to Atlanta five more hour.

919
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: And so it's all weird.

920
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: This got national, This got picked up on national level.

921
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: Like you just what.

922
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 2: It just looks like you just jerked around a franchise

923
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: legend for no reason. You gain nothing from it.

924
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: This is this is why. Look, we I think we've

925
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: somewhat earned our reputation as being kind of analytical compared

926
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. Right, and we agree, you

927
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: and I agree on the baseball part of this one.

928
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: Like I don't think they should have called kimber up,

929
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: especially now we've seen what happened, Like it would have

930
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: been so much better to not call him up and

931
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: just quietly say, hey, Craig, we wish you the best.

932
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: Man, not a major league caliber believer anymore.

933
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: Whatever it is going to be. Don't do this like

934
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: they they chose the worst. And I do know people

935
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: think we just defended Alex all the time. That number one,

936
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: we don't. We criticize a lot in this winter, for sure,

937
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: but like this is this is this was mangled. It

938
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: was like and the impact of the baseball side is

939
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: not a big thing, but like, you've just pissed your

940
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: fans off. That's that I don't want to use any

941
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, if that's crass or whatever. That's what That's

942
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: what happened. People were very mad, whether it was the

943
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: normy fan who's not who's not on social media or

944
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: the people that follow us die hard podcast listeners. Everyone

945
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: was like, what is happening here too? And look like

946
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: this is where it matters that it's Craig Kimberl on

947
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: the baseball side. It shouldn't matter a lot that that's

948
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: Craig Kimberl. If at all from the pr like handling side.

949
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: This is a guy that you had a relationship with

950
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: that is like maybe gonna be in like the Brace

951
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Nothing else, like probably gonna be in

952
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: the Baseball Hall of Fame. Honestly if we see might

953
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: be like to do this to him is like really bad,

954
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? And then my only thought

955
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: and this is a total guess. I think I texted

956
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: this to you the other day. I just wonder if

957
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: Alex was like, wait, Snith's gonna use him in the

958
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: seventh inning and high leverage. I can't let him do this.

959
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: But my thing is you should have known that was coming, Like,

960
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: that's not that's not that's not that's not an defensive Alex.

961
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: That's bad process. I'm just saying, like the only thing

962
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: I could possibly think they'll to justify this is like

963
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: he didn't want to give Snit the club in the bag,

964
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: but like then don't call him up, man, Like what

965
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: are we doing here? I don't know, It's it was

966
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: an insane handling of all of that. I just don't

967
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: understand any about any part about it. It didn't help

968
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: the team. I mean, Kimber was bad last year. Throwing

969
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: harder than he's throwing now people have kind of forgotten

970
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: that or what have been off all the rest of

971
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: the week. Kimber had an era of like six last

972
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: season when he was still throwing ninety four ninety five.

973
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: Now he's throwing three miles an hour slower, Like he's

974
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: not gonna suddenly be good. It's just not gonna happen.

975
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: There's nothing that they learned on Friday night that they

976
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: didn't already know on Thursday night.

977
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: And if they did, that's a problem. They shouldn't have

978
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: needed that.

979
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: And if it's if it's a if it's a thing

980
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: where Alex didn't know that Snit was how a Snit

981
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: was gonna do, that makes it look even It makes

982
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: it just looks like you have call him on the phone. Yeah,

983
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: you have no idea what's going on on your club

984
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: and by and that's the other part of this is

985
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: that the club is coming off multiple instances of embarrassed

986
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: Like they were just coming off the Snit A. J.

987
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: Smith schaalb stuff. They got national news because it looked

988
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: like Snit didn't really know what was going on. Snit

989
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: has had multiple times this year where he's given comments postgame,

990
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: wheres like, yeah, I didn't see that. I didn't I

991
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: didn't see that happening. It looked like he's like just

992
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: not paying attention the pr cycle instrument. Really really, Oh,

993
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: you had absolutely no reason to just I mean, they

994
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: just voluntarily decided I want a public black eye for

995
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: twenty four hours.

996
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense.

997
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: He got nothing for it.

998
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: It's not totally divorced from this. But like, at the

999
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: same time, they were doing kind of a bulpin overhaul

1000
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: after the big blown lead, right they they end up

1001
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: trading Scott Blue, they were gonna BEFA. I think they

1002
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: end up training for cash. There's a whole Scott Blewet

1003
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: thing when I was talking about a lot right now,

1004
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: But for some reason, the fan base has decided he's

1005
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: like Mariano Rivera. They love his peripherals were terrible. Anyway,

1006
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter for now. I thought it was fine

1007
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: to get rid of Scott blew It. I don't think

1008
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: it was like they had to, but I thought it

1009
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: was fine. Montero's owed money and blew it's not. I

1010
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: think that's what came What it came down to, is

1011
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: my That's my best guess. But that happened Dayebell goes

1012
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: to the IL with apparently a forum issue, which was

1013
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: a new thing we didn't know about. Dave's bell has

1014
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: By the way, twenty one stretouts in twenty walks this season,

1015
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: Like that's it. You can't live at that number. So anyway,

1016
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: that's weird. They called Dylan Dodd great Dylan Dodd actually

1017
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of like so that's fine, but you go from

1018
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: one bullpen and you turn over like forty percent of

1019
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: your bullpen in one day, and then included in that

1020
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: is Kimberrel and then you make two consecutive transactions after

1021
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: that to it's Austin Cox and it says Ruez and

1022
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: then we don't know, we're going a Sunday night. They

1023
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: could do something else to run for Monday. We don't

1024
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

1025
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: I'll say this, if you just needed an arm for

1026
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: Friday because of how bad Thursday went, you don't call

1027
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: up Craig Kimbrel, No call up some random.

1028
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: You called Austin Cox, who's now you called up anyway,

1029
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: like he's he's on your team. And then you go

1030
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: for the Royals and they know that, they know that's why, that's.

1031
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: What I can't mix it like again, as a podcast.

1032
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: I could care less that Krek Kimball is not on

1033
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: the team anymore. I don't think he's a major league

1034
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: pittcher and then have it all year and I don't

1035
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: think anyone on this podcast has, and we've said as much.

1036
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: It's the process by wish they did it, which was

1037
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: just voluntarily a black eye for the organization for twenty

1038
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: four hours for no reason.

1039
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: I was, while not believing too much in Kimberl. I

1040
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: would have been totally fine if they gave Kimberl a

1041
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: week or two, called him up and said all right, Craig,

1042
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: if you look good, we'll keep you or whatever that

1043
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been raged me. Nor do they have

1044
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: to do that up.

1045
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 2: That's what you have to do.

1046
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: Except that's where we are pent agree. It's like, okay,

1047
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: they're doing this dance. It starts getting reported. Rosenthal had it.

1048
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: Our colleague was like, hey, he has an opt out

1049
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's gonna be like if the Brace have

1050
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: to match or something like. There was this weird language

1051
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: in the contract, all these things. It's like, all right,

1052
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: if we're gonna do I think we all assumed on

1053
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: that Friday. All right, it's kimberl time for like a

1054
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: week or two. Yeah, and if if he looks bad,

1055
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: maybe they'll cut him. But the thing is and we'll

1056
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: be on. I promise people like us that out it

1057
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna change our minds no matter what happened. Right,

1058
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: But the fact that he didn't allow a run and

1059
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: then you and then you waived him makes it look worse.

1060
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: Makes every fan that doesn't care about process, like, what

1061
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: do you talk? I know, by the way he allowed

1062
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: to basse runners, he didn't look good at all. But

1063
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: if you if you're only outing for your franchise legend

1064
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: is a scoreless inning, you cannot explain to seventy percent

1065
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: of fans in the world why you did that.

1066
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: And I'll end with this because I had a ton

1067
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: of people sending me this as a possible explanation. I

1068
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: had people saying to me, Okay, well, maybe they were

1069
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: just doing it so like Kimberle could say that he

1070
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: finished his career with the Braves giving him kind of

1071
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: one outing. Not then here's what I'll say to that.

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Speaker 2: If you're doing that, you're doing that. You're doing that

1073
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. Yes, so he gets the home crowd. You're

1074
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: giving him a low leverage inning, and you're probably you're

1075
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: probably minching it beforehand that this is gonna be like

1076
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: his last outing, so fans can come like you're not

1077
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 2: doing that on the road in a high leverage inning,

1078
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: like there's by.

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Speaker 1: The way, and not that matter that much. At ten fifteen, No,

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00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: what he pitched it was like twelve thirty in the

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00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: morning Friday night.

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Speaker 2: It was asleep. I mean, there's no there's no the

1083
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: number of people that tweeted me that and there's no

1084
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: chance that's what it was.

1085
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: No, but no. But honestly, to defense people, I do

1086
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: understand thinking what in the world there the Braves doing explanation?

1087
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: We've adequately laid that out, like our confusion on this.

1088
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: I think they botched this. Like I don't want to

1089
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: make it like it to a national emergency, but like

1090
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: they botched this. I think that was a silly thing

1091
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: to do. Alex whoever made this, and it comes out

1092
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: this this is on albums, you can't says he messed

1093
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: that up. All right, Steven, we got to get out

1094
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: of here. But I mean, do I even want to

1095
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: ask the question of what happens now? With this team,

1096
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: I guess we don't have to do this, but they

1097
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: go to Milwaukee. They play for you guys in Milwaukee.

1098
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: That's what's actually happening now. They go no off day.

1099
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: They're rare back from the West Coast with no off day.

1100
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: They had an early game today. They play Monday night

1101
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. The Brewers are not incredible, but they're thirty

1102
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: five and thirty one. They're better than the Braves right now.

1103
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: They do have sale on the mound on Monday advantage

1104
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: Braves their favorite in the game. I've if you want

1105
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: to get off a take about the rest of the season,

1106
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: feel free. We don't have to do that. We've talked

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00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: about a lot on this podcast. But it is still

1108
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: June eighth, and there still in trouble.

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00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very curious, Alex said in a he did

1110
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: a Zoom press conference at the beginning of last week

1111
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: and this this was before the bottom completely fell out,

1112
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 2: that they were already in like full aggressive mode, gonna

1113
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: make changes. Obviously we saw that with a bullpen this week,

1114
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: but like, I'm very curious over the next three four days,

1115
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: like are they making trades, are they or is there

1116
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: any more coaches like.

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00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: We're just a point so early too, Like people want

1118
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: trade and I get why, but generally speaking, like impact

1119
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: trades don't happen on June eighth, Like it doesn't mean

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00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: it's impossible, but it just does not.

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00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: If you do it, you usually have to overpay because

1122
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: you got to. You got to convince a team not

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Speaker 2: to hold onto this piece for another month and a half.

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00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: I mean at this rate, at some point we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to talk about like how much can the Braves

1126
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: get for Marcelo Zoom at the I mean at the

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00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: trade deadline, because.

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna have that conversation if they're still doing this,

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Speaker 1: and like I don't want to waste all our bullets

1130
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: on it, and that's always have to talks about it.

1131
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: More I think is it's like it's still so early,

1132
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: but you're right, I mean, if they're this and that's

1133
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: an if still I'm not going to close. I know

1134
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: people want In fact, I saw it before we started recording.

1135
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: Something was like, well, now you guys have to say

1136
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: the seasons over. It's like, well, no, I won't do

1137
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: that because my brain won't allow me to. We did,

1138
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: but we did say they have like maybe a fifteen

1139
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: twenty percent chance to make the playoffs. Like that's not good,

1140
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: that's really bad, but like that's also not zero. So

1141
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm not personally you can if you want to, Steven,

1142
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going to come on the show on June

1143
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: eighth and save the seasons over. It's bad. We've I

1144
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: think adequately lay that out for people on this podcast.

1145
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, in a month from now, if they're

1146
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: still in this spot, we're gonna have to have a

1147
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: at the All Star break by the way, which is

1148
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: in Atlanta at about a month from now, we'll be

1149
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: having some eager conversations about what they do in the trademarket.

1150
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: And I think, by the way, it's Bob Nightingale, so

1151
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: I will express my reservations with that, but he's a

1152
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: national Baseball writer. Nightingale wrote, I believe it was today

1153
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: or yesterday that the Braves are not going to sell basically.

1154
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: Well, that's the That's one point I did want to make.

1155
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: Is and Sehauan and I have talked about this.

1156
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: The Braves have.

1157
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: A middle of the road TV deal that they do

1158
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 2: not have the type of TV deal that just pays

1159
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: all the bills. No, they pay most of their bills

1160
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: from that stadium being full, in that battery being from

1161
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: the battery for six months for eighty one games. And

1162
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: so when I say the Braves can't afford to sell,

1163
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: I mean that literally, they can't afford. They can't afford

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00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: for that place to be empty. Because if if that

1165
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: place is empty for three months, you thought, Alex, you

1166
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: thought they cut payroll before, wait until what I mean,

1167
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: wait till if that stadium is empty for three months

1168
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: and they can't afford it. So on top of the

1169
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: fact they don't have a ton of great pieces to

1170
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: sell anyways, to be honest, unless they unless they unless

1171
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 2: they put Chris Sell in the market, which is a

1172
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: whole separate conversation. But yeah, I don't, I just don't.

1173
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 2: I don't see a word with this Sell. I mean,

1174
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: I could see a world where they're so bad they

1175
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: don't buy much.

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00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, we agree, And again it's it's really early.

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00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: There is a point where they're so bad they have

1178
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: to And but even night Andingale, I think it is

1179
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: in his writing. And again it's Steiningale, it's not Rosenthal passing.

1180
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: But uh, he did say that the potential exception would

1181
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: be Ozuna I think we agree. That's that's always been

1182
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: the guy that like, if they were going to sell,

1183
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: you sell the expiring contract mid thirties d H only

1184
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: player that's the reliever.

1185
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: Maybe relievers. Maybe I guess having a good season, maybe

1186
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: you want to clear that ten million.

1187
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, Sure that wouldn't be a bad idea.

1188
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: And we'll get again, we'll get into all this stuff.

1189
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, look, as much as I had de finish

1190
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: on Murphy, there is a conversation you can have by

1191
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: trades for Murphy. Yeah. Like I'm not saying you have

1192
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: to Will fans are saying that. I am not saying that,

1193
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: but that is a something you can at least talk

1194
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: about as reasonable people. Yeah. What I don't think you

1195
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: can talk about is like trading like everyone, which I've

1196
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: seen all the time, or trade everybody like, Okay, that's.

1197
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: Not gonna happened, trade trade Rye. Yeah, that's not a thing.

1198
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: Okay, Steven, We've we've said enough. In fact, we thought

1199
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: it was a short one, and it's not a short one.

1200
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: But that's just probably because it's my fault. I tend

1201
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: to do long podcasts. Uh, thank you for doing this.

1202
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: Number one. If you have any else to share. Feel free.

1203
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: If people find out for the first time today, God

1204
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: bless you for finance for the first time, Steven, Where

1205
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: can they find you if they want to follow him more?

1206
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: You slowly die on Twitter every I turned out to

1207
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: sweet much at all. Honestly, during games, I do sometimes

1208
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: do it, but you, to your credit, you are just

1209
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: always in the streets firing off stuff.

1210
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Live tweeting games is my favorite thing to do,

1211
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 2: and it has gotten I mean, obviously West Coast games

1212
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: are a different animal, but when they're playing like this,

1213
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean you can, I mean you can literally watch

1214
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: me slowly die on Twitter every night if you want to.

1215
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: Scott's in Hawaii. I think Scott's gonna be Yeah.

1216
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: He is still in Hawaii. He'll be back in a

1217
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: few days. People were asking, I have texted with Scott

1218
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: almost every day. He is alive. He's watching baseball more

1219
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: than we wanted him to. Even before the race started losing,

1220
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: I said, Scott, don' watch baseball this week? Don't watch

1221
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: and he picked a brilliant week. Yeah, I did. I

1222
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: did text. I'll reveal this is stop private. H The

1223
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: four of us have a group chat, and I said, well,

1224
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: after the game today, I said, well, Scott's not a

1225
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: lot of travel anymore. Ever, I don't think because things

1226
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: have not gone well since Scott gone on the plane.

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00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: I mean we talking about pulling just a week out

1228
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: of nowhere. I mean, this is the week to be gone.

1229
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: So credit to shot. But yeah, being a score Outlars

1230
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: is the X handle. A bunch of us still write

1231
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: over a battery power, So check that out.

1232
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, everyone, everyone but me, the three of the

1233
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: three of them, Steven, Seawan and Scott write a battery power.

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00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: I am solemnly retired, but I still support them over there.

1235
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, follow me if you want to at BT

1236
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: rolling there's basketball. I'm there for Steven. It's like mostly baseball.

1237
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: You're safe. I got basketball stuff I gotta do. But

1238
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: follow me there if you want to, I do. I've

1239
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: been tweeting about the Braves last couple of days, some ugliness.

1240
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been so bad.

1241
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: You just you kind of have to.

1242
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: I love your little drop ins because you only tweet

1243
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: like twice a day about the Braves. In the last

1244
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: couple of days. It's just been Here's a tweet of

1245
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: just the horrificness.

1246
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: I'm sorry well, I'm in, I go, I go into

1247
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: big beat writer mode because like that's what on the Hawks.

1248
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm like more like beat writer, Like I cover everything

1249
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: on the Hawks. So I'm like, all right, I'll put

1250
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: my media head on and I'm like, all right, here's

1251
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: what's happened the last few days. Sorry everybody, anyway, We'll

1252
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: stop rambling now. Follow the show at hmber Territory as

1253
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: well anywhere you find podcasts, especially, but also on social media.

1254
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: Subscribe to the podcast on youtubef you want to watch

1255
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: us Slowly Die on camera, or Apple Spotify on the

1256
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: audio side, overcast, et cetera. We will be here as always.

1257
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: I know the mighty temptation people are saying, take the

1258
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: day off. No, no, no, we don't generally do that

1259
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: unless we have to, so stay tuned. We will have

1260
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: podcast content for better or worse, as you've seen this week.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for listening, everybody. We'll be appreciate it. Thanks

1262
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: again to Stephen for being here with me and pinchhit

1263
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: duty on a Sunday, and we'll see everybody next time.