WEBVTT - Countdown To Halloween!  Thriller/Horror Pick #3 “The Empty Man”

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, everybody. It is Sunday, October 25th. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we are on the final countdown to Halloween. And on

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<v Speaker 1>this Sunday, we have our recent favorite thriller. horror recommendations

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Yes, we've been breaking down some of our

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<v Speaker 1>favorite horror movies, not the obvious ones, and we've broken

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<v Speaker 1>them down into sub-genres each weekend day. On Saturday, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go back and look on our feed,

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<v Speaker 1>we list our favorite. We did sci-fi horror, and today

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<v Speaker 1>it is thriller horror. Now, we are counting down number three.

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<v Speaker 1>We have The Empty Man, and we're not totally sure

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<v Speaker 1>sold on this, both of us. Now, I liked it

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<v Speaker 1>more than you did. Let's have full disclosure here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no full disclosure. People are checking out now. They're like, oh, well, hell,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't even really be on board with the recommendation.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would I even watch it? No, we should start over. Well, no.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but this actually is so interesting because the Rotten

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<v Speaker 1>Tomatoes is kind of aligned with exactly where we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this beforehand. The critics gave it a 73%.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a dang good score on Rotten Tomatoes. The audience

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<v Speaker 1>gave it 39%. I'm wondering right now if, DJ, you

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<v Speaker 1>feel a little bit more validated after you hear the

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<v Speaker 1>Rotten Tomatoes spread, which is a pretty significant spread.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious if we have the same reasons because there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this movie I liked, including the acting

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<v Speaker 2>and the actor, the lead in this movie is somebody

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<v Speaker 2>we're familiar with because we love another show he did

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<v Speaker 2>years and years ago. But he was in the opening.

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<v Speaker 2>There is mystery and intrigue. Yes, this is a thriller.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I know you've looked at it. I'm curious

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<v Speaker 2>to see what the people who didn't like it, what

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<v Speaker 2>was their problem? Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was released October 23rd, 2020. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these movies that we've been revealing to

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<v Speaker 1>you all over the past couple of weekends leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to Halloween were released in 2020. And that's of note

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<v Speaker 1>because we were specifically looking for horror movies that didn't necessarily–

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<v Speaker 1>reach everyone's inbox you weren't aware of them we weren't

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<v Speaker 1>aware of them so we were trying to find some

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<v Speaker 1>fun ones that are not so obvious and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them were released during the pandemic so they would

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<v Speaker 1>have had a theatrical release they would have had a

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<v Speaker 1>big splash but they didn't so we didn't know about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's curious to see that because a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>are quality movies and you wonder like where how did

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<v Speaker 2>this one get lost in the shuffle and it is

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<v Speaker 2>funny that we're not looking for them Oh, 2020.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, 2020.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't realize that as we found them, and

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<v Speaker 1>now that we were doing the research on them, I

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<v Speaker 1>have noticed a pattern. A lot of them have been

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<v Speaker 1>released in 2020. Here is the synopsis. A series of

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious disappearances in a small Midwestern town may be linked

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<v Speaker 1>to a supernatural entity. obviously that's going to draw most

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<v Speaker 1>horror fans in. And just even the title and the artwork,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at The Empty Man, it's exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of movie people who love horror movies would click on,

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<v Speaker 1>I would think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again, I'm glad we're doing this because even

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<v Speaker 2>as we're going through, babe, some of the.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the one movie so far, and all of them,

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<v Speaker 2>we are not completely aligned on. And I mean completely.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're not that off, disaligned necessarily in this one,

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<v Speaker 2>But it just goes to show, we talked about this

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<v Speaker 2>at the very beginning. Don't just say you don't like

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<v Speaker 2>horror movies. There are so many things in there for

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<v Speaker 2>everybody in genres and sub-genres, even sub-sub-genres at this point, Robes.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find one in there you love. What does Sinister,

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<v Speaker 2>that movie, qualify? Is that a thriller?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that is a... What was that one? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a slasher.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the way people die. It's not a traditional slasher.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a thriller slasher. Because there's mystery and suspense,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is vile and gory and awful. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know what? The reason why that movie, for me... it's

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<v Speaker 1>there's torture. And that is where I have a hard time.

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<v Speaker 1>I love horror movies and people might think it's funny,

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<v Speaker 1>but I draw the line at torture. I can't watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to close my eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>That movie's twisted. Okay, that one is. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make some kind of comparison to that type of thriller

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<v Speaker 2>and creepy and supernatural type thing. Sinister is dark as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>This one ain't that dark.

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<v Speaker 1>It's darker than that. But yes, it does have those

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<v Speaker 1>elements because It starts out in Bhutan, correct? So you've

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<v Speaker 1>got this ancient entity that somehow now who lives within

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<v Speaker 1>a person who goes to Bhutan and they bring it

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<v Speaker 1>back to the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good start.

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<v Speaker 1>So to speak, right? And the start is amazing. The cast.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned the lead, and he really does carry this,

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<v Speaker 1>James Badge Dale. You know him from? 24.

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<v Speaker 2>24. He was with Jack Bauer in 24, played a

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<v Speaker 2>very prominent role, and he was very good in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And over the years, Robes, he's shown up in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of movies where he plays a military guy, a cop.

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<v Speaker 2>He just has that. Look, that feel, and he fits

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<v Speaker 2>this one to a T.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's in The Departed, The Walk, The Grey, Iron

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<v Speaker 1>Man 3. I was looking at some- I forgot about Departed. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at some of his movie critics. He

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<v Speaker 1>has a lot of them. And like Steven Root, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the name. You will know his face as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as you see him. Superman Unbound, Selma, Get Out,

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<v Speaker 1>No Country for Old Men. I mean, these are quality

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<v Speaker 1>actors who have incredible films behind them. Maren Ireland, she's

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<v Speaker 1>in it. The Dark and the Wicked, that movie, we

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<v Speaker 1>love to throw in a bonus horror movie. That movie

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<v Speaker 1>is incredible. I would turn that on again. It was...

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<v Speaker 1>exactly like the name suggests, dark and wicked, but so,

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<v Speaker 1>so good. So this cast is stellar. The acting is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>The director, there's two of them, David Pryor and Josh Boone.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny enough, I couldn't find a lot of credits that

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<v Speaker 1>jumped out, but Josh Boone, one of his credits, The

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<v Speaker 1>Fault in Our Stars, which is a very highly acclaimed movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but like a dram, it's like a rom-dram. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a romance drama. So it wasn't anywhere near in

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<v Speaker 1>the horror genre. So I was a little surprised by that. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where horror fans might take a little hesitation

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<v Speaker 1>to click on this. The run time. Other people might laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hours and 17 minutes. That is a long ass

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<v Speaker 1>horror movie. And I think that's why maybe We always

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<v Speaker 1>watch these movies towards the end of our day, and

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<v Speaker 1>I will fully admit sometimes we have to start them

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<v Speaker 1>over and rewind because it's hard for us to stay up,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially if one is two hours and 17 minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a long horror movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the reason it surprises me, Rose, because, again,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to keep with the full disclosure around here,

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<v Speaker 2>it took us several days to finish this, and it

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<v Speaker 2>happens that one of us will fall asleep The other

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<v Speaker 2>will turn the movie off in the next morning. The

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<v Speaker 2>next day, we'll try it again the next night. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the other one will fall asleep and then have

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<v Speaker 2>to turn the movie off. But then by the time

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<v Speaker 2>we get to the third or fourth day, we only

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<v Speaker 2>have this last third watch. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as we rewind it a little further so

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<v Speaker 1>you get like some extra clarification. It is funny when

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<v Speaker 1>you have to go back like, oh, I did miss that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. This is not an indictment on the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I must have nodded off before I realized I did. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not an indictment of any movie. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>indictment of our schedule. Yes. Yes. So the critics' consensus.

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<v Speaker 1>And this one is exactly how I would describe it.

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<v Speaker 1>After an exciting 22-minute opening sequence, the film falls into

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<v Speaker 1>a dull investigative structure with brief but effective moments of

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<v Speaker 1>horror peppered throughout. It nets out to a very enjoyable ride.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree it does get a little slow because I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like there were three different movies I was watching. First,

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<v Speaker 1>there was the part in Bhutan. Then there was more

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<v Speaker 1>of an investigative what's going on. And then there's the

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<v Speaker 1>holy hell, this is what's happening scene. It was, it

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<v Speaker 1>definitely took twists and turns and there was a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of, if it makes sense, jarring slowness in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is what might turn, I think that's what

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<v Speaker 1>turned most of the audience off.

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<v Speaker 2>A slowness. Yes, and it's fair to say, Robes, most

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<v Speaker 2>of these characters aren't full of energy. There's someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>lost a husband. There's someone who's lost a wife. There's like, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of depressing. Even the look of the movie

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of rainy and kind of dull.

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<v Speaker 1>It's dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Right? So it's kind of a, it's a part of

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<v Speaker 2>it and a part of the feel, but it's a,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to be on the edge of your

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<v Speaker 2>seat or jumping up or filled with energy watching this one.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to squirm necessarily. It sets a different tone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but man, those first 22 minutes are so dang good.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. Another one of the critics, I thought a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of these were really well written and So yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Empty Man is philosophically ambitious, pretentious, and sometimes even pretentious,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Empty Man transcends its hokey elements because of

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<v Speaker 1>its timeliness, because of its twistiness, and because prior brings

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<v Speaker 1>the horror goods. And so I thought that was a

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<v Speaker 1>good way to put it too. And here's another one.

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<v Speaker 1>The Empty Man is worthy of attention for several reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>First and foremost, it is good, creepy, atmospheric, and well-acted.

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<v Speaker 1>second director writer david prior in adapting colin bunn's graphic

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<v Speaker 1>novel adroitly juggles several horror subgenres and that also made

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<v Speaker 1>me feel a little um validated because it did it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like there was subgenre after subgenre it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>there were like three different movies in one i was

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<v Speaker 1>like wait is this a detective movie where you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out who done it is this a supernatural

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<v Speaker 1>movie where some evil entity from, you know, centuries ago

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<v Speaker 1>has followed somebody and has possessed them? Or is this

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<v Speaker 1>like a monster movie? I really it had all of

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<v Speaker 1>those elements.

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<v Speaker 2>And, you know, as I sit here, I'm still not

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<v Speaker 2>really sure which one of them came to the forefront.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure which one of those, ultimately, at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of this movie, I feel it's a what. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little annoyed at the end. I was

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<v Speaker 2>a little frustrated by the ending. I was frustrated that

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see the ending coming. I was frustrated that

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<v Speaker 2>the ending didn't fully make sense to a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>thinks he's fairly smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. All of those things can be true. All of

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<v Speaker 1>those things can be true. But I still think we

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<v Speaker 1>still are recommending this because it is, if you, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you do like horror movies, this is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the more interesting ones that someone has put together. It's

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<v Speaker 1>creative as hell and it's very well acted and it's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely worth your time. When we come back, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you what the audience had to say, where

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<v Speaker 1>you can watch it, and why we think it is

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<v Speaker 1>a guaranteed horror hit. Welcome back, everyone. We are at

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<v Speaker 1>number three on our list of thriller recommendations, thriller horror recommendations,

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<v Speaker 1>as we count down to Halloween. And it is The

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<v Speaker 1>Empty Man. I did put in two really good audience

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<v Speaker 1>reviews that I thought maybe were... They even explained better

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<v Speaker 1>than I can why I liked this movie so much,

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<v Speaker 1>but as a nod to your slight hesitance, I will

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<v Speaker 1>read some of the negative ones as well. But the

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<v Speaker 1>good ones, the beginning in Bhutan was a perfect set piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Could have been a little shorter, but some touches were genius,

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<v Speaker 1>like the cut from the roads on the map to

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<v Speaker 1>the roads in the forest, intelligent, different, and creepy. The

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<v Speaker 1>next person wrote, the film deserves to be much higher

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<v Speaker 1>on the audience score. This is an epic horror. the

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<v Speaker 1>likes of which you normally only see in Korean filmmaking.

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<v Speaker 1>It was atmospheric, tense, funny in moments, actually thought-provoking, and

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<v Speaker 1>really creepy. The lead guy, James Badgedale, is bloody great.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see more of him and more films

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<v Speaker 1>like this.

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<v Speaker 2>When they put it in the Korean context, Robes, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, if these were all Korean actors and

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching subtitles, this would go. I would actually

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<v Speaker 2>look at this movie much differently because I have an

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<v Speaker 2>expectation of what it should be. That is, they just

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<v Speaker 2>nailed it for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, you're right, because Korean horror does

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sometimes go all over the place, but they

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<v Speaker 1>bring it together in the end because they keep you

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<v Speaker 1>guessing in a lot of these Korean horror films, and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this did the same thing. Okay, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the less enthusiastic ones. There has to be a

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<v Speaker 1>word for the amount of potential this movie has. The

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<v Speaker 1>length is almost perfect. If it weren't for its wacky

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<v Speaker 1>character scenes... They are draining. I get that the main

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<v Speaker 1>protagonist is a complete tool, but Jesus Christ, they could

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<v Speaker 1>have given him some saving grace with some better editing

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<v Speaker 1>or dialogue. It's terrible at some points. The atmosphere is stunning.

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<v Speaker 1>The story almost feels like it could have been a series.

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<v Speaker 1>Pay close attention. Have fun. It will all make sense

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<v Speaker 1>in the end. Great movie, and I'd recommend it to

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who isn't a casual horror movie fan. I must say,

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<v Speaker 1>this movie isn't for everyone, but I would recommend. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm... It's not... What was that last line again? It's

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<v Speaker 2>not for what?

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<v Speaker 1>I must say this. Oh, oh. Great movie, and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>recommend it to anyone who isn't a casual horror movie fan.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good way to put it. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>be into horror movies and understand that this is a

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<v Speaker 2>type of variety of them and be game to watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're just dipping your toe into horror.

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<v Speaker 1>You might think this is just a little too weird

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<v Speaker 1>for you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the one where people will look at horror

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<v Speaker 2>movie fans and say, you guys are freaks.

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<v Speaker 1>Which makes every horror movie fan then want to watch

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<v Speaker 1>this movie. Really? I want to watch. Because we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of are, deep down. Aren't we all? Where to watch?

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<v Speaker 1>You can watch this on Disney +. It's on Hulu.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can always rent it on Fandango. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>I think why this is a guaranteed horror hit is, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a... a household of horror fans, you

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<v Speaker 1>are going to appreciate this movie because of its twists

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<v Speaker 1>and turns. You get three movies in one, in my

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<v Speaker 1>humble opinion. It's well acted. It keeps you guessing. And

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<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere. I always feel like that's important. We recommended

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<v Speaker 1>last weekend The Mist. There is something sometimes when you

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<v Speaker 1>just want a movie that puts you in a certain mood,

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<v Speaker 1>like a kind of a moody mood, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie does that.

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<v Speaker 2>It does, from the very beginning. I mean, even when

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<v Speaker 2>it puts up Bhutan on the screen in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>What year is it? Like 1990-something or two? It's several

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<v Speaker 2>years earlier. I think it might be 1998 or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's 1995 or something. And then it says, like,

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<v Speaker 1>day one.

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<v Speaker 2>Boom. And you go, what the hell?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going to happen on day three? Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it keeps going through. It gives you day one,

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<v Speaker 2>day two. Yeah, that's intriguing. The beginning of this movie

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<v Speaker 2>nails it and pulls you in. And then the next

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<v Speaker 2>part of the movie, actually, is almost carried by the

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<v Speaker 2>first part in that you're like, When is this going

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<v Speaker 2>to come together? When is this going to make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>You're waiting for them to deliver on what you saw

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<v Speaker 2>in the first part of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Day one, boom, they put it up. So enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>this movie and set your expectations where we place them, hopefully,

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<v Speaker 1>for you. And we think you are going to love

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<v Speaker 1>this movie. So keep looking on the feed because later

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<v Speaker 1>on we're going to have our number two and our

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<v Speaker 1>number one. We're really excited about our number one thriller

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<v Speaker 1>pick on this one because we think it's a hidden

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<v Speaker 1>gem here. that you're going to have to see to

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<v Speaker 1>actually believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't you watch that with your significant other?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you should watch that with your significant other.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so thought-provoking. You're going to learn a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about your significant other. Yes, you are.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, and with that wonderful tease, we always appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you listening to us, everyone. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk soon.