1
00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,920
Speaker 1: Oh yes, hello Texans.

2
00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,800
Speaker 2: Vander Pott is back, and this time of year, I'd

3
00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,119
Speaker 2: like to hear from some people who we want to

4
00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:13,360
Speaker 2: get to know better.

5
00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,040
Speaker 1: Now you know Sean Pendergast.

6
00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,120
Speaker 2: You listen to him every morning on sports Radio six

7
00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,560
Speaker 2: to ten with Seth Payne.

8
00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,880
Speaker 1: But do you know his whole story? Because it is

9
00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,200
Speaker 1: really interesting.

10
00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,880
Speaker 2: He made his dreams come true by becoming a morning

11
00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,000
Speaker 2: radio host on a major market sports radio station. How

12
00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,559
Speaker 2: did he get here, how does he enjoy it? What

13
00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,720
Speaker 2: does he think of your Texans recent developments? But really

14
00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,400
Speaker 2: I wanted to get to know him because it's inspirational

15
00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,599
Speaker 2: for us. Saul, Let's get to the conversation with Sean Pendergast.

16
00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,760
Speaker 1: All right, joining us.

17
00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,639
Speaker 2: Sean Pendergast, co host of Painted Peddergass Sports Radio six ' ten,

18
00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,800
Speaker 2: longtime sports radio host Seawan.

19
00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,640
Speaker 3: Welcome, good to be here, Vandy.

20
00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:58,480
Speaker 1: Here we go.

21
00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,960
Speaker 3: I get to be a guest in this student.

22
00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,520
Speaker 2: Yes, you're in the studio a lot, interviewing players post game,

23
00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,839
Speaker 2: talking to Clint Starner, talking about Texans victories lately, which

24
00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,199
Speaker 2: is awesome after going through some tough time.

25
00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,920
Speaker 1: So this year must have been so much fun.

26
00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,600
Speaker 3: It was so great. It was funny. This is when

27
00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,080
Speaker 3: I knew, like that Clint and I that the last

28
00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,760
Speaker 3: few years had been rough. Clinton and I were literally

29
00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,720
Speaker 3: getting on the elevator in our building one day sometime

30
00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,840
Speaker 3: between the twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three season,

31
00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,039
Speaker 3: and we ran into a lawyer in our building on

32
00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,120
Speaker 3: the twentieth floor and we were going down the elevator

33
00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,840
Speaker 3: together and we got talking. He knew who we were,

34
00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,400
Speaker 3: and he knew that we did the postgame show for

35
00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,120
Speaker 3: the Texans. And when we got off the elevator at

36
00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,680
Speaker 3: the bottom and we kind of went our separate ways

37
00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,200
Speaker 3: to go to the parking lot, the guy literally said

38
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,640
Speaker 3: thank you for your service, okay, you know, And I

39
00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,720
Speaker 3: was like, okay, you don't need to be thanking us

40
00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,640
Speaker 3: like we're you know, like it's combat pay or something.

41
00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,160
Speaker 3: But that was a rough few years, you know that

42
00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,560
Speaker 3: as well as anybody. And this has been amazing being

43
00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,240
Speaker 3: in this studio talking up the Demico, Ryan C. J. Stroud,

44
00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,120
Speaker 3: Texans has been and really the whole group. It's just

45
00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,120
Speaker 3: such a great group of dudes. Man, It's been awesome.

46
00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,440
Speaker 3: It could not be any better.

47
00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,360
Speaker 2: It feels like, right, That's why I thought is this

48
00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,920
Speaker 2: the team of destiny? Is it gonna happen this year

49
00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,880
Speaker 2: as they were going on their late season into the

50
00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,320
Speaker 2: playoffs run. Obviously it stopped, but the future is so bright.

51
00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible. And then you sprinkling Andre Johnson going

52
00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,560
Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame like the cherry on top

53
00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,359
Speaker 3: of just what was a great year, And I think

54
00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,720
Speaker 3: a great night at the Super Bowl week, Like I

55
00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,079
Speaker 3: don't know, like I I my feeling in the moment

56
00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,760
Speaker 3: maybe got swept up in it. I thought that was

57
00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,480
Speaker 3: the greatest night in Texans history when when Andre goes

58
00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,440
Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame, which is like the closest

59
00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,160
Speaker 3: thing we've got to a super Bowl right now that

60
00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,280
Speaker 3: the city can celebrate and CJ and Will kind of

61
00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,800
Speaker 3: winning those two awards but kind of affirming what was

62
00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,840
Speaker 3: also a really good night a year before that in

63
00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,200
Speaker 3: the draft. I thought that was sort of an epilogue

64
00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,240
Speaker 3: to that. Yeah, it's great, right, this is this is

65
00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,440
Speaker 3: fun and we're in free agency and it's fun to

66
00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,280
Speaker 3: be It's fun to know that the Texans are a

67
00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,920
Speaker 3: team that when they call people, they're gonna be picking

68
00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,120
Speaker 3: up the phone. I think it's gonna be a destination

69
00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,040
Speaker 3: for a lot of guys.

70
00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,640
Speaker 2: I heard what you said about that night, and I thought,

71
00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,200
Speaker 2: and you know how I'd like to weigh in on these.

72
00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,519
Speaker 3: You're the historian. I checked with you first.

73
00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,440
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I think it's fine.

74
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:12,320
Speaker 2: But as far as non game day game night situations,

75
00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,880
Speaker 2: it's definitely in the top five, maybe top three, maybe

76
00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:17,320
Speaker 2: top two.

77
00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:18,720
Speaker 3: With the draft.

78
00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,080
Speaker 2: Because I think you said it well, it's bookends to

79
00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,480
Speaker 2: the magical season of twenty twenty three. Would you look

80
00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,520
Speaker 2: at the draft night and then look at that night

81
00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,120
Speaker 2: at NFL honors? What could be more validating for you

82
00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,640
Speaker 2: picking CJ. Strout than moving up investing in that pick

83
00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,480
Speaker 2: to select Will Anderson Junior and bang, They're both being

84
00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,960
Speaker 2: honored on that night and Aray Johnson's getting into the

85
00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:38,320
Speaker 2: Hall of.

86
00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,960
Speaker 3: It would have been a great night if just one

87
00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,200
Speaker 3: of those two things had happened, you know, the two

88
00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,480
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year awards being won and Andre being

89
00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,240
Speaker 3: the other, and the fact that it happened just all

90
00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,800
Speaker 3: within minutes of each other was so cool. I'm still

91
00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,320
Speaker 3: waiting for the Internet. If they've made this already, let

92
00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,240
Speaker 3: me know, but I'm still waiting for the Internet to

93
00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,600
Speaker 3: take kind of one of those, like a like a

94
00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,360
Speaker 3: still shot or a short video of Will and CJ

95
00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,960
Speaker 3: hugging backstage at the draft, and it sort of like

96
00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,920
Speaker 3: morphing into the hug they had oh backstage after winning

97
00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,920
Speaker 3: the Rookie of the Year award, you know kind of thing.

98
00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,120
Speaker 2: Were you bitter or disappointed or what was your reaction

99
00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,560
Speaker 2: to Dimiko Ryans not getting Coach.

100
00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:21,359
Speaker 3: Of the Year In the moment, I was disappointed, I

101
00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,320
Speaker 3: was okay in the moment. I was surprised. I thought

102
00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,279
Speaker 3: Stefanski was gonna win it. I was surprised it was

103
00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,800
Speaker 3: as close as it was when I saw that it was,

104
00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,599
Speaker 3: and I would have voted for Damiko, but I just

105
00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,160
Speaker 3: thought it was a regular season award. The votes were

106
00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,520
Speaker 3: all in before that win over Cleveland in the playoffs,

107
00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,640
Speaker 3: So as far as I mean, that's the closest thing

108
00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,400
Speaker 3: you can get to ahead to head matchup for an

109
00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,960
Speaker 3: award is Week sixteen. Two coaches who everybody's talking about

110
00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,760
Speaker 3: for that award at the end of the year, and

111
00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,800
Speaker 3: we know what happened in that game. So I thought

112
00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,719
Speaker 3: Stefanski was gonna win it. But boy, when I saw

113
00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,200
Speaker 3: the tweets about it was tied in overall points and

114
00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,800
Speaker 3: Stefanski won it on a first place vote. In the

115
00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,120
Speaker 3: moment that night, I was like, oh, well that's stinks. Boy,

116
00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,320
Speaker 3: it would have been really cool. I've actually he got

117
00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,560
Speaker 3: more bitter about it since then. I'm like, the more

118
00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,960
Speaker 3: I think about it, I'm like, that would have been

119
00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,040
Speaker 3: an amazing nice We've caught up in the moment of

120
00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,480
Speaker 3: everything good that was going on. I didn't want to

121
00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,520
Speaker 3: get disappointed, but now I've had a couple of weeks

122
00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,279
Speaker 3: to let it synk in, and now I'm like, damn,

123
00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,640
Speaker 3: Demiko should have gotten that thing.

124
00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,800
Speaker 2: My beef with Stefanski is you've won it before. What's

125
00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,320
Speaker 2: happened since then? Everyone makes a big deal about four

126
00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,200
Speaker 2: quarterbacks starting games. I know they had the fifth and

127
00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,760
Speaker 2: the meaningless game, but the four quarterbacks, and I'm thinking, well,

128
00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,600
Speaker 2: you had two last year. Yeah, so he had less

129
00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,840
Speaker 2: injuries at that position and a worse record, So what's

130
00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,960
Speaker 2: the problem with last year or the year before?

131
00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,919
Speaker 1: But I get it. I get how this goes.

132
00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be harder for Demiko to win it

133
00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,039
Speaker 3: in year two, even though he's listed as one of

134
00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,160
Speaker 3: the four or five favorites, like he's I think he's

135
00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,560
Speaker 3: tied for fourth on the board. I checked these kind

136
00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,760
Speaker 3: of things. As you know, I think it's gonna be

137
00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,280
Speaker 3: harder for it will be harder for him to win

138
00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,479
Speaker 3: it because I went and looked and other than outliers

139
00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:55,240
Speaker 3: like Stefanski winning with four quarterbacks, or like Bruce Arians

140
00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,240
Speaker 3: when he was substituting for Chuck Pagano who had cancer,

141
00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,960
Speaker 3: like other than, like you know, just strange circumstances. Almost

142
00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,040
Speaker 3: by rule, it's either a first year head coach who

143
00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,760
Speaker 3: way overachieves, or a longtime head coach or veteran head

144
00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,160
Speaker 3: coach I'll call it, who has one of the two

145
00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,120
Speaker 3: or at worst, like three best records in football. So

146
00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,520
Speaker 3: Dimico can win it, But the Texans are gonna need

147
00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,200
Speaker 3: to go fourteen and three or something like that.

148
00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,960
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say fourteen and three would be

149
00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,200
Speaker 2: a record that I would think would be necessary for

150
00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,480
Speaker 2: that award. He's put himself at a higher level now

151
00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:27,839
Speaker 2: where the expectations are there.

152
00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is a great thing for the franchise. I mean, ultimately,

153
00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,400
Speaker 3: if he wins zero Coach of the Year awards in

154
00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,960
Speaker 3: his career, but we get a couple of Super Bowls,

155
00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,000
Speaker 3: who cares theirs if he goes fourteen and three against

156
00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,720
Speaker 3: this schedule, Yeah, holy smoke. Wow, Yeah, it's gonna be

157
00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,680
Speaker 3: a fun schedule man.

158
00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it's funny because twenty eleven was a real

159
00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,640
Speaker 2: breakthrough season for them. Twenty twelve, that schedule was pretty tough. Yeah,

160
00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,240
Speaker 2: as you looked at it laid out there, you had

161
00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,200
Speaker 2: the Ravens coming in a lot of similarities Packers. You know,

162
00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,680
Speaker 2: they lost to the Packers that year, and they end

163
00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,159
Speaker 2: up going.

164
00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:56,680
Speaker 1: Twelve and four.

165
00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,640
Speaker 2: Right, they were eleven and one at one point, as

166
00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,840
Speaker 2: you know, So who knows. I don't know how it's

167
00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,200
Speaker 2: all gonna play out. We don't even know who's on

168
00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,880
Speaker 2: the team yet. People are asking me how they're gonna do.

169
00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,680
Speaker 2: I don't even know who's on the team. Got to

170
00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,560
Speaker 2: work thirty free agents you gotta deal with.

171
00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,560
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah. The way I look at the upcoming season

172
00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,720
Speaker 3: is the level of quarterback play that you're facing is

173
00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,560
Speaker 3: much much higher. And to contextualize it, like Burrow and

174
00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,360
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson were the two best quarterbacks they face this year,

175
00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:28,400
Speaker 3: Who is the third best, like Baker Mayfield, Trevor Lawrence, Flacco.

176
00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,160
Speaker 2: Maybe look going into the year, Trevor Lawrence was this

177
00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,720
Speaker 2: dangerous dude, and we don't look at him the same way,

178
00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,080
Speaker 2: but he could possibly have.

179
00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,200
Speaker 3: A bounce back. And you thought Aaron Rodgers was gonna

180
00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,000
Speaker 3: be on the schedule, and this and that, right, there

181
00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,960
Speaker 3: were other games. CJ finished fifth in the Pro Bowl

182
00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,160
Speaker 3: for the AFC was the second alternate, so there were

183
00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,840
Speaker 3: four quarterbacks ahead of him for the Pro Bowl. He

184
00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,360
Speaker 3: eventually ended up going. This is where I'm going with this.

185
00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,560
Speaker 3: The four quarterbacks that were ahead of him are all

186
00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,920
Speaker 3: on the schedule this year. So you're talking about the

187
00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,680
Speaker 3: third best quarterback of the entire schedule this past season

188
00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:02,480
Speaker 3: being maybe Baker Mayfield or Trevor Lawrence. They play Lamar Jackson,

189
00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,400
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes to a tongue Boloa and Josh Allen. You

190
00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,080
Speaker 3: can feel however you want about too or whatever, but

191
00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:12,600
Speaker 3: he's in that mix and thens then Rogers Lawrence twice. Yeah,

192
00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,520
Speaker 3: and then go over the NFC. You know you have

193
00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,280
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott on there. You got Jared Goff, Jordan Love

194
00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,880
Speaker 3: had a nice second half to the season.

195
00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,800
Speaker 1: Green Bay very tough.

196
00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Dak in Dallas in the regular season is tough.

197
00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:24,920
Speaker 1: We all know tough.

198
00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,000
Speaker 3: So do you are you hoping for Thanksgiving.

199
00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,600
Speaker 1: I am, but I'll be okay either way.

200
00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:30,920
Speaker 3: Right.

201
00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,680
Speaker 2: I think that everybody who plays Dallas or who has

202
00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,360
Speaker 2: Dallas on the schedule thinks they're gonna play on thanks

203
00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:36,959
Speaker 2: Baby tonight.

204
00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna be there for Thanksgiving. It's gotta happen.

205
00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,360
Speaker 2: I love that the Oilers were there during one of

206
00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,040
Speaker 2: their AFC Championship game seasons and they beat him. I'd

207
00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,439
Speaker 2: love to be able to do that on a Thanksgiving Day.

208
00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,280
Speaker 2: That'd be phenomenal. So I know you feel the.

209
00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,360
Speaker 1: Same way, all right.

210
00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,240
Speaker 2: I wanted to get into this though, because people people

211
00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,920
Speaker 2: know you, they hear you every morning, but do they

212
00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,240
Speaker 2: really know a lot of people know your story, but

213
00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,720
Speaker 2: you have a lot of lists who might not be familiar.

214
00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,200
Speaker 2: One thing I love about you, guys, is and your

215
00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,800
Speaker 2: game in particular on the air, Sean, is that you've

216
00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,400
Speaker 2: done some other things. You were a sales manager, you

217
00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,200
Speaker 2: were working in the business.

218
00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,080
Speaker 1: World at a high level.

219
00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,439
Speaker 2: So I think this gives you this sort of gravitas,

220
00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,520
Speaker 2: this ability to comment on things from a different perspective

221
00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,120
Speaker 2: than say, and there are very many talented people who

222
00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,720
Speaker 2: just came right out of college from Syracuse or whatever.

223
00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,680
Speaker 2: I became talk show hosts and elevated their game to

224
00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,640
Speaker 2: high levels. But I love that you've lived life in

225
00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,040
Speaker 2: a different way. I think it gives you a unique perspective.

226
00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,040
Speaker 2: Do you see it that way too?

227
00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,959
Speaker 3: For sure, more than I thought it would in the

228
00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,320
Speaker 3: sports world, because so much and just to I guess

229
00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,920
Speaker 3: to give the thumbnail sketch. In my background, I was

230
00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,160
Speaker 3: in sales for sixteen years. Went into sales right out

231
00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,960
Speaker 3: of college. You got a finance degree and wanted nothing

232
00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,240
Speaker 3: to do with Wall Street or the finance world. So

233
00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:50,959
Speaker 3: I did what anybody who's not going to use their

234
00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,079
Speaker 3: degree would do. You do one of two things. Either

235
00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,760
Speaker 3: go back to school for more school, or you get

236
00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,040
Speaker 3: into sales. Yeah, and so I got into sales and

237
00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,000
Speaker 3: telecommunication sales up in the Northeast. I moved to Houston

238
00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,319
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety four when I was in my mid

239
00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,120
Speaker 3: twenties and with the same company I started out with

240
00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,520
Speaker 3: in sales. Eventually started bouncing around to other companies. Went

241
00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,319
Speaker 3: with a startup company at one point in the late

242
00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,760
Speaker 3: nineties when stock options were a big deal to everybody

243
00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,400
Speaker 3: on dot coms were a big thing. Sure, so I

244
00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,000
Speaker 3: was in sales. I was their sales person here in

245
00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,160
Speaker 3: Houston for a startup telecommunication sales company, and eventually we

246
00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,760
Speaker 3: grew that company to where it was one of the

247
00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,600
Speaker 3: fastest growing in the United States and the Ink five hundred.

248
00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,240
Speaker 3: I got promoted to run sales in two thousand and

249
00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,920
Speaker 3: one for the kind of the heartland part of the

250
00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,200
Speaker 3: country out of Denver. So I moved to Denver. At

251
00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,600
Speaker 3: that point, I was married, had had three kids who

252
00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,679
Speaker 3: were very young, and then got promoted to vice president

253
00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,319
Speaker 3: of sales for that company in Naperville, Illinois, which is

254
00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,679
Speaker 3: where I read outside of Chicago where they were headquartered

255
00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,520
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four. My radio journey, which I

256
00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,080
Speaker 3: know we're going to get into, began in two thousand

257
00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,959
Speaker 3: and seven. So I promise anybody listening to this, as

258
00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,959
Speaker 3: you know, this ends with this sales career somehow turning

259
00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,920
Speaker 3: into radio. But so I had a pretty extensive background

260
00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,520
Speaker 3: in sales. I was good at it. I was kind

261
00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,160
Speaker 3: of a sales junkie. Management wasn't as much for me,

262
00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,760
Speaker 3: but I was okay at it, and I liked it,

263
00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,120
Speaker 3: and I learned a lot of things, and I think

264
00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,280
Speaker 3: that's that's where a lot of the things I apply

265
00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,280
Speaker 3: on the radio come from for me is yes, definitely

266
00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,040
Speaker 3: the sales background, because I tell my kids, I tell everybody.

267
00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,160
Speaker 3: I told a bunch of kids that you have h

268
00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,640
Speaker 3: yesterday I was speaking to Everything is sales, right, everything

269
00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,440
Speaker 3: is sales, amen. Yeah, And so there's that, but even

270
00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,800
Speaker 3: things like when when teams are making decisions on coaches

271
00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,719
Speaker 3: or players, like I go, I harken back. I'm just

272
00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,040
Speaker 3: using this as an example. I was always told when

273
00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,160
Speaker 3: I was in the corporate world, the most important skill

274
00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,000
Speaker 3: you'll have as a manager hiring. Hiring is going to

275
00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,800
Speaker 3: determine eighty percent of your success. You can work your

276
00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,160
Speaker 3: ass off at the other twenty percent, But if you

277
00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,079
Speaker 3: don't get the right people working for you, if you're

278
00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,200
Speaker 3: not able to identify talent and then nurture that talent,

279
00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,600
Speaker 3: but most importantly identify and bring it into the building,

280
00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,760
Speaker 3: you're going to fail. And it's totally true. Like the

281
00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,880
Speaker 3: times where I really struggled in management, whether it was

282
00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,400
Speaker 3: a sales director or a vice president of sales, was

283
00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,439
Speaker 3: when I made bad hires because you invest a lot

284
00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,280
Speaker 3: of money in trying to get those people up to speed,

285
00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,400
Speaker 3: and when they don't get up to speed, you're you're behind.

286
00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,079
Speaker 3: You know, you're just you're behind, and there's expense involvement.

287
00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:12,839
Speaker 1: Hard to get them out.

288
00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,280
Speaker 3: It's hard to it's hard to get them out. They're expensive,

289
00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,480
Speaker 3: they're not producing all of those things. So that's just

290
00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,760
Speaker 3: like one example, like you're talking about, when I come

291
00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,959
Speaker 3: at it from an angle of, hey, they got to

292
00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,360
Speaker 3: get this higher right because you know otherwise blah blah,

293
00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,080
Speaker 3: I'm coming at it from an angle of like, no,

294
00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,080
Speaker 3: this determines the fate of your organization, like if you

295
00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,960
Speaker 3: you know, and I think and we see that play

296
00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,840
Speaker 3: out with all the teams here in town, you know

297
00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,079
Speaker 3: what I mean at various times when when the teams

298
00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,720
Speaker 3: here in town have struggled, I think you can directly

299
00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,320
Speaker 3: point to they just made a bad hire at this

300
00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,880
Speaker 3: spot and it has a ripple to and the higher

301
00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,960
Speaker 3: up it is, the bigger the ripple down effect is.

302
00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,040
Speaker 3: You know. So that's just one example. But yeah, like

303
00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,040
Speaker 3: I I apply a lot of what I got in

304
00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,800
Speaker 3: the corporate world, both on air and then I think

305
00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,560
Speaker 3: the off air part when it comes to sponsorships and

306
00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,880
Speaker 3: customers and clients that art was. I knew it was there,

307
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,800
Speaker 3: but I had no idea that my background that I

308
00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,040
Speaker 3: had in sales would be so crucial to my radio career.

309
00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,360
Speaker 2: So when you're a sales manager, which I think is

310
00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,800
Speaker 2: the hardest management job out there. Look, I've never managed

311
00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,480
Speaker 2: in a hospital or something like that, so I don't

312
00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:14,400
Speaker 2: know anything about that.

313
00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,520
Speaker 1: You know, triage, I don't. I don't know anything to

314
00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:17,200
Speaker 1: be bad at that.

315
00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,559
Speaker 2: But I was a sales manager for a brief amount

316
00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,320
Speaker 2: of time, and I've been a manager of other people.

317
00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,840
Speaker 2: But managing salespeople is ridiculously difficult. And do you feel

318
00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,160
Speaker 2: like you can relate to the coaches sometimes where if

319
00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,400
Speaker 2: you have an excellent salesperson or two.

320
00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:32,280
Speaker 3: I'm a genius.

321
00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like having a great player, I'm a genius, you know,

322
00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,160
Speaker 2: having a quarterback who can bail out of the pocket

323
00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,400
Speaker 2: and keep the eyes downfield make a play. Coaching, yeah,

324
00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,920
Speaker 2: you know, whatever the case may be, they make you

325
00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,520
Speaker 2: look a lot better when you do hire, right, Yeah.

326
00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,360
Speaker 3: I for sure when you get the higher right, they do.

327
00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,760
Speaker 3: I think the thing too, if we're comparing it to coaching,

328
00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,959
Speaker 3: where I think the coaches like I equate a sales

329
00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,600
Speaker 3: manager probably to like a position, right you get you

330
00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,360
Speaker 3: like you've got a bunch of guys that are doing

331
00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,280
Speaker 3: a job that you probably did at one point, and

332
00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,880
Speaker 3: you're trying to get them to do the job to

333
00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,679
Speaker 3: the level that you feel you were doing it at

334
00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,120
Speaker 3: some time. And I feel like, you know, vice president,

335
00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,480
Speaker 3: that level is probably more like a coordinator. And then

336
00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,400
Speaker 3: the CEO is like the coach. So if we're using

337
00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,599
Speaker 3: that analogy, I feel like the sales manager is the

338
00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,160
Speaker 3: position coach. Here's where I really feel for a position

339
00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,160
Speaker 3: coach in football versus say a sales manager, is that

340
00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,440
Speaker 3: it as a sales manager. At least there were times like, Okay,

341
00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,680
Speaker 3: I know I need to get this guy out of here.

342
00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,560
Speaker 3: I don't have time to fire him right now. He

343
00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,360
Speaker 3: is working on some pretty good deals and I don't

344
00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,280
Speaker 3: think he can close. Okay, at least I think I

345
00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,040
Speaker 3: can go in there and close it for him, right

346
00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,880
Speaker 3: you know, like bring me in on the sales call

347
00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,000
Speaker 3: and let me do the heavy lifting, and just you

348
00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,760
Speaker 3: keep your mouth shut and let me close this. I've

349
00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,000
Speaker 3: done this before. Football coaches don't have the luxury. You're

350
00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,480
Speaker 3: just throwing pads and a helmet on it. So let

351
00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,480
Speaker 3: me go tackle this guy, you know what I mean. True,

352
00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,640
Speaker 3: So that's the part where I do feel like functionally,

353
00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,880
Speaker 3: like what you're trying to do and develop talent and

354
00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,000
Speaker 3: get the best out of them, and most importantly probably

355
00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,280
Speaker 3: identify talent. I know, the position coaches, that's more of

356
00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,160
Speaker 3: a GM thing, But as far as developing talent goes,

357
00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,160
Speaker 3: that's the part where I'm like, all right, at least

358
00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,880
Speaker 3: I can step in and for the time being, dude,

359
00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,840
Speaker 3: that's the trio situation and says like, oh, I got

360
00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,720
Speaker 3: to do this by myself for a little bit because

361
00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,600
Speaker 3: I made a bad hire over here. And then you know,

362
00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,200
Speaker 3: then you go back to the hotel room after that

363
00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,560
Speaker 3: and you start thumbing through resumes, still replaced the guess.

364
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So you moved to Houston, you said

365
00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,760
Speaker 2: in ninety four, ninety four, and I read somewhere that

366
00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,280
Speaker 2: you being a sports radio junkie then you were listening.

367
00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,280
Speaker 1: There was no sports talk radio in town.

368
00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,160
Speaker 2: It was Rich and Charlie on KTRH at night or

369
00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:39,840
Speaker 2: something like that.

370
00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,960
Speaker 1: Right, and six ' ten starts up.

371
00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,960
Speaker 2: What was it like being a listener in the mid

372
00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,000
Speaker 2: nineties before sports Radio six ten and as sports Radio

373
00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,280
Speaker 2: six ten got started.

374
00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I grew up in the Northeast, so w

375
00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,560
Speaker 3: fan that was my deal, you know, Mike and the

376
00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:55,680
Speaker 3: mad Dog, and it was.

377
00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,240
Speaker 2: Well, how long ago did you really listen to WFAN

378
00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,800
Speaker 2: because I go back to Pete Franklin even before Mike

379
00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,040
Speaker 2: and the mad Dog started and stuff like that.

380
00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,160
Speaker 1: But that was the first sports Wait.

381
00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't find FA until they went all sports.

382
00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,960
Speaker 3: So I didn't because I grew up in Hartford, Connecticut.

383
00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,080
Speaker 3: So my sports talk when I was growing up was

384
00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,440
Speaker 3: a w T i C ten eighty in Hartford and

385
00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,000
Speaker 3: there was an old guy there by the name of

386
00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,560
Speaker 3: Arnold Dean who host who hosted, like literally hosted like

387
00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,560
Speaker 3: a thirty minute sports talk show from six thirty o'clock

388
00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,560
Speaker 3: at night. And I'm listening when I'm ten or eleven

389
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,720
Speaker 3: years old, I'm like, you're allowed to call in and

390
00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,000
Speaker 3: talk about sports with people, and I can listen to this.

391
00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,600
Speaker 3: I thought it was the greatest thing ever. I'm like,

392
00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,440
Speaker 3: why are they only doing this for a half hour?

393
00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,440
Speaker 3: And I remember the first time I met Arnold Dean,

394
00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,400
Speaker 3: it was like I met the president or something like that.

395
00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,040
Speaker 3: You know, it probably at a coffee shop in Newington

396
00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,480
Speaker 3: or something like that. And so that's I grew up

397
00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,840
Speaker 3: on that when I was in Hartford, and then W

398
00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,160
Speaker 3: fam became all sports. I was still, you know, kind

399
00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,320
Speaker 3: of in college, but coming home, i'd go to Hartford.

400
00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,040
Speaker 1: But then you can get the signal.

401
00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,360
Speaker 3: You get the signal from New York. Yeah, Hartford maybe

402
00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,520
Speaker 3: two hours from New York City. The signal was strong.

403
00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,840
Speaker 3: So I saw that to say, I was a big

404
00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,639
Speaker 3: sports talk junkie. Huge. I remember telling my roommate in

405
00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,560
Speaker 3: college in nineteen ninety, I'm like this WFAN. I went

406
00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,960
Speaker 3: back to school, you know, I went to school at

407
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,920
Speaker 3: Notre Dame in Indiana. I remember listening to WFAN all

408
00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,399
Speaker 3: summer in nineteen eighty nine or nineteen ninety. I remember

409
00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,040
Speaker 3: going back to school that fall and telling my roommate

410
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,520
Speaker 3: I'm like this, we have an all sports station up

411
00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,240
Speaker 3: in the Northeast. I'm telling you this is going to

412
00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,359
Speaker 3: be the next big thing. There's going to be all

413
00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,800
Speaker 3: sports stations everywhere. And he's like, you're crazy. This is

414
00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,160
Speaker 3: when the National was a thing. I remember the National,

415
00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,400
Speaker 3: the sports newspaper. Frank walked Frank to Ford. I'd walked

416
00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,399
Speaker 3: to the machine outside my apartment every day and go

417
00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,399
Speaker 3: by the National. So I was a big sports talk junkie.

418
00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,080
Speaker 3: I moved to Houston in nineteen ninety four in the fall,

419
00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,040
Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, what's the all sports station

420
00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,359
Speaker 3: in Houston? And there wasn't one, which I was very disappointed,

421
00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,720
Speaker 3: it being the fourth largest city and all. So you did.

422
00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,160
Speaker 3: You had Charlie Polillo and Rich Lord. I found that show,

423
00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,480
Speaker 3: and I found John O'Reilly and you know others that

424
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,480
Speaker 3: would did one or two hour shows here and there

425
00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,280
Speaker 3: within weeks, literally weeks, it might have been the same week.

426
00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,479
Speaker 3: It was very very close in time. Six ten flips

427
00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,440
Speaker 3: to all sports, like like within days of me moving

428
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,280
Speaker 3: to Houston.

429
00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,800
Speaker 1: Which was really cool.

430
00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,280
Speaker 3: Dicky Rosenfeld and man, it was a bare bones operation

431
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,760
Speaker 3: at first. They're running all syndicated stuff. I remember Ed

432
00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,840
Speaker 3: Fowler was the first local show that they had on there,

433
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,879
Speaker 3: and I didn't know who Ed Fowler was. And Ed

434
00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,919
Speaker 3: Faler conson He's like, well, let's take a look at

435
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,199
Speaker 3: the chronicle here today, and I'm like, okay, read, this

436
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,560
Speaker 3: is not Mike and the Mad Talk. I feel like

437
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,639
Speaker 3: I know what to do. I feel like Eddie Murphy

438
00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,760
Speaker 3: and then that don't look like no McDonald's. So yeah,

439
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,760
Speaker 3: so so. But as you pointed out, eventually the station

440
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,520
Speaker 3: evolved and you know, by the mid nineties they had

441
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,280
Speaker 3: brought rich Lord over from seven forty and Kenny Hand

442
00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,800
Speaker 3: was in there, and eventually by you know, nineteen ninety seven,

443
00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,400
Speaker 3: I think the big hits were Jim Rome getting plunk

444
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,680
Speaker 3: down in the midday, which obviously plays into my story.

445
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll get to sure. And then John Granado

446
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,320
Speaker 3: and Lanzer Line, you know, legendary morning duo that are

447
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 3: still doing it now. And I was P one listeners

448
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,200
Speaker 3: to John and Lance. I was twenty eight years old,

449
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 3: going to all their events at bars. I was a

450
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 3: P one listener to sports Radio six ' ten, bumping

451
00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 3: around my car selling telecommunication services all day. Wow.

452
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and salespeople are great radio listeners best, absolutely, Yeah,

453
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,000
Speaker 2: in your car all the time. All right, So the

454
00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,360
Speaker 2: Rome Show, you're a P one. You're listening to Jim

455
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,880
Speaker 2: Rome all the time, and he has the callers. When

456
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,359
Speaker 2: did he start the smackoff? And how did you decide?

457
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,879
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to call in and be a

458
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:35,320
Speaker 2: part of this.

459
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he started the smack off before he came on

460
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 3: in Houston. He had been doing it for a couple

461
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 3: of years. He came on in Houston in May of

462
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven is when Dicky plunked him down in

463
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 3: the middle of the lineup, and he.

464
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,320
Speaker 1: Did well on sixteen.

465
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,119
Speaker 2: If Rome would pull monster when I got to the market,

466
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 2: he was pulling monster numbers. You would never think of

467
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,120
Speaker 2: removing the Jim Rome show.

468
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 3: No Radio sixteen, No, no, yeah, I can't. If you're

469
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 3: a younger person listening to this, pot is actually a

470
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 3: younger listener to Sports Radio six ten. Who you know

471
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,160
Speaker 3: Jim Rome is this show that's parked on our other

472
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 3: stick here in six point fifty. It's hard to overstate

473
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 3: how important he was to the vitality of that station

474
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 3: into sports stock here in this town because that was

475
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 3: the only station. By the way, I know that now

476
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 3: we live in a world where there's three locally driven

477
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 3: all sports stations, but for a long time six '

478
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 3: ten was the only one to like the early two thousands,

479
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 3: and Jim Rome was a huge part of that. So

480
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 3: the smack off that you're talking about, and for the

481
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 3: few of you that may not know Jim Rome caller

482
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 3: driven show, very edgy type of calls. You call in,

483
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 3: run your mouth for a few minutes, hang up, and

484
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 3: then he reacts to what you just said. If you

485
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 3: make it to the end of your call, I'm not

486
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 3: afraid to drop a buzzer on you. If you suck,

487
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 3: have a take. Don't suck. So the Smackoff is when

488
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 3: he would invite like the thirty best callers one day

489
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 3: out of the year to call in and bring your

490
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 3: best and he and his whole staff would do their

491
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 3: rankings and at the end they would have the King

492
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 3: of Smack, you know. And he was doing that a

493
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,080
Speaker 3: couple of years before he came on in Houston in

494
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven. When he first came on, I'm listening

495
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 3: and it gets to be about summertime. I'm like, I'm

496
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 3: gonna try to call this show. You know, I'm gonna call.

497
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 3: I think I can do this here. You know. I

498
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 3: love the way he recognizes his callers. They're jungle legends,

499
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 3: you know. There he had a website where he listed

500
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 3: to the jungle Legends where I'm like, I want to

501
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 3: be a jungle legend. Yeah, I want to make one

502
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 3: hundred and ten percent of my quota in sales, and

503
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 3: I want to be a jungle legend on sports talk radio.

504
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 3: And so I called in and turns out I was

505
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 3: pretty good at it. You know he would. He had

506
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: a huge call of the day. Back then, you know,

507
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 3: you're competing for something. And eventually I got invited to

508
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 3: the Smackoff in nineteen ninety eight and finished fourth. I

509
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 3: was thought that was really cool my first time in

510
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,959
Speaker 3: the Smackoff, and then the next year I want it

511
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: and obviously that it sounds crazy, but that that show,

512
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: especially at that time, had such notoriety. I want it

513
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 3: in ninety nine and then I kept calling. Once you

514
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 3: win it, you don't have to call anymore. It's like

515
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 3: the Masters. You have a green jacket, if you know,

516
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,239
Speaker 3: if you haven't won it before, you got to keep

517
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 3: calling during the year and qualify. But so I I

518
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 3: kind of tamp back. The amount of times that I

519
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 3: called it coincided with me having three very small children.

520
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 3: Also coincided with me getting into a as I mentioned before, promotion,

521
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: where I started traveling a lot, you know, in sales,

522
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 3: so it was harder for me to contribute, excuse me

523
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: to the show. But I ended up winning the smack

524
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 3: Off again in three, five, oh six, and seven, so

525
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: I want it five times. So I did have as

526
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 3: callers go to the sports talk world, there was there

527
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: was a modicum of celebrity, and why is that important

528
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 3: to what I'm doing now, Because I know we're going

529
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 3: to connect the dots here in just a second. The

530
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 3: whole time that I was a listener to Sports Radio

531
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 3: six ten, the guys that worked at the station knew

532
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,239
Speaker 3: that that was something I would love. I would love

533
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: to do what they do, you know, that kind of thing.

534
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 3: And I had people in the building there telling me,

535
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 3: I think you'd be good at this if you gave

536
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 3: it a try. Chance. McLain was one of them, friend

537
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: of ours who was the producer of the morning show

538
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: there at the time, and we became friends being listeners

539
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 3: to the station. He was an oil and gas and

540
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 3: I was in sales, and we would go to Hooters

541
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 3: for a remote and hang out together. And even once

542
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 3: I moved away from here to Denver, I always kept

543
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 3: in touch with the guys back here in Houston. At

544
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: six ' ten, I was in a fantasy league with

545
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: a couple of them that still exists to this day.

546
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 3: Oh wow, a fantasy football league, and so I always

547
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: kept in touch with them. They always knew that radio

548
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 3: would be something that down the road if my life

549
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 3: afforded me the opportunity to do that, I would love

550
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 3: to do it. The issue for me was one geography,

551
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: you know, I was in Denver and then Chicago. I'd

552
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 3: have to get back to Houston. Two was as happens

553
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: in sales. The curse of being good at sales is

554
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 3: once you're good at sales, yes, stay in sales, because

555
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 3: you get into almost anything else, you take a step

556
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: back in terms of your lifestyle, you know. And so

557
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: the hope always was going to be like, Okay, well,

558
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 3: I'll I'll be in sales and in management, and I'll

559
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: cash all these stock options in right, and I'll be wealthy,

560
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: and then I can get into radio and take the

561
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 3: eighty percent pick cut that you know that you take

562
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: to get into radio. Didn't happen that way.

563
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: The options didn't.

564
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 3: Well know, the company got bought by somebody else. Pennies

565
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: on the dollar kind of thing. We had. Some things

566
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: happened with the company that did not make the fork

567
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: in the road go the way we wanted to. And

568
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: the flip side was when my radio opportunity came along,

569
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: I was out of a job, you know, I was.

570
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 3: We got bought in February twenty third, two thousand and seven,

571
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 3: the company that I hoped would put me on the

572
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: wings of wealth to go to that radio career someday

573
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: we got bought. I got fired because the company buying

574
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 3: us didn't need me anymore. And and yeah, that.

575
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: The timing was perfect because fifteen sixty started in oh seven.

576
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 3: Well that's that, and that's that's the trigger event right there.

577
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: This is a true story that I'm about to tell

578
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: you that does involve Chance McLean, which is that the

579
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 3: day that I got let go from that job, the

580
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 3: last thing they had me do Mark on my way

581
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: out the door was I had to tell the seven

582
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: sales directors working underneath me. I had to give them

583
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 3: the same conversation that the CEO had just had with me.

584
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: I had to have the conversation with them that you're

585
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: no longer your services are no longer needed. So that

586
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: was tough, right, That's a tough parting gift. So there's

587
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: a director in Houston by the name of Joe Garza,

588
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 3: and Joe I had the conversation with Joe, still friends

589
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 3: to this day, and he said, hey, he took the news.

590
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 3: He understood. He said, hey, you know some people at

591
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 3: six ten, right, And I said, yeah, I do still

592
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 3: keep in touch with them, and he said, hey, can

593
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 3: you send my resume over to them. I'm thinking of

594
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: just shifting gears, getting into radio sales instead of telecom.

595
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm getting out of this telecom gig. I said, sure.

596
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: So I attached his resume to an email to Chance McClain,

597
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: thinking Chance will know who to forward it to. I

598
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: didn't know any of the salespeople at six ten. I

599
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: knew all the on air people, right, So I send

600
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 3: it to Chance and at the bottom of the email

601
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 3: I put a PS. I said, hey, PS, carve a

602
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: couple hours out for me on the weekend. I think

603
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: I may need to come back to you to start

604
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: that radio career, totally joking around. That night, I get

605
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: home and I pull into the driveway at my house.

606
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 3: It's February in Chicago, mind you, So it's I will

607
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: never forget looking down at the temperature gauge and it

608
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 3: was negative eleven degrees outside, and I got fired for

609
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: the only time in my life still I was getting divorced.

610
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: Pull into the driveway in this big house that I

611
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: have no desire to walk into, you know what I mean,

612
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: And it's negative eleven degrees outside. I'm like, this is

613
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: the worst, Like this is like other than relatives dying,

614
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 3: Like this is the lowest moment of my life. Like professionally,

615
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: this is the professionally and personally, this is my lowest moment.

616
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: And at that moment, my cell phone was sitting in

617
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: the passenger seat. It rings and it's Chance and I

618
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: pick up. I answer it and we get talking and

619
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: I asked him if he got Joe's resume. He said, yeay,

620
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: he did. He said, I want to ask you about

621
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: the ps at the bottom of your email said about

622
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: the radio thing. I said, that was pretty funny, right,

623
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 3: you know. And he's said, were you serious about that?

624
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: And I said, I said sure, you know why And

625
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: he says, well, there's there's a handful of us here

626
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 3: at six ' ten that are leaving here provided we

627
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 3: get all the details in order to go start up

628
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: another station in town, and your names come up as

629
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: a possibility to maybe try for the afternoon show or

630
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: something like, to try to do something different, you know,

631
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: do the gym rome guy. You know, they're at the

632
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: time going to be the fourth sports station in town,

633
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: so do something different. I guess may have been the

634
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 3: mentality of it, I just knew that they were. I

635
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: just knew that I was at least getting a feeler

636
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: for a radio job, which, by the way, for the

637
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: two years leading up to me getting let go in

638
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: that company, I was miserable, not only in my job,

639
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 3: but mad at myself that I hadn't tried radio earlier

640
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: in my life, before it was too late, before sales

641
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 3: created a lifestyle that radio couldn't sustain. Yes, So I

642
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: was mad at myself for two years about that. And

643
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, I'm getting this phone call

644
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: at my lowest point, and I'm like, Wow, this might

645
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 3: be this bolt of light here that's affording me this opportunity.

646
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: Don't think rationally right now, Sean like, just focus on

647
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: this opportunity that's being presented to you. And so Chance

648
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: and I talked, and he said, you're gonna be getting

649
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: a call from someone you know in the next couple

650
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 3: of days. I'm sure I can say these things now.

651
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: Sixteen years later, in the next couple days, you get

652
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: a call from somebody that you know, and they'll had

653
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: more details for you. I said, cool. I hung up,

654
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: sat in that car, didn't get out for like another

655
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 3: half hour. I'm like good things are happening in this

656
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: negative eleven degree car right now. I'm not leaving. I

657
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: didn't even get out of the car. My phone rings

658
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: and it's John Gernado and John. Literally when I speak

659
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: at classes like I did yesterday, you have ha always

660
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: asked me how'd you get into radio? And I always

661
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: tell them my story and I say, you'll never be

662
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: able to replicate this, But this, I promise you'll never

663
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: be able to replicate. My first interview to get my

664
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: first radio job was literally a three word interview. Granado

665
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 3: asked me, so you coming, and that was it. That

666
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: was it, and that was it. And there were me

667
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: obviously there were more eyes to be dotted and teased.

668
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: They knew you, they knew you had talent, yeah, they

669
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: knew you were going to be good to work yeah,

670
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: and they knew you were kind of green as far

671
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: as doing a whole show, right, but you had the ability.

672
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: And I'd be determined, you know, I you know all

673
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: the things that you need to be successful at anything.

674
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: So I mean, there was a lot of negotiating with

675
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: myself that went on over the next several weeks. I

676
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: had three kids that were elementary school age my ex

677
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: wife was not leaving Chicago because she was she had

678
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: started up in the real estate business up there. She

679
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: didn't really like Houston. I don't think either. When we

680
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: lived here, I always wanted to get back to Houston.

681
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: Who knows, maybe one of the things that was a

682
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: rift between us in retrospect, I have no idea.

683
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Houston.

684
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's so so long story short. I mean,

685
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: obviously we know how it ended. I ended up coming

686
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: back here, but like literally, man like, I packed my stuff.

687
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: I packed exactly what I needed to fill a small

688
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: apartment in a U haul, drove back, drove here to

689
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: Houston in July of two thousand and seven to really

690
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: go work blindly for a startup radio station. You know,

691
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: I knew people there, but I didn't know the investors.

692
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: I really didn't know the management other than Chance McLain

693
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: and John Granado. Everything else was really a leap of faith.

694
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: But I was so motivated to give this a try

695
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: that I was willing to take whatever chance because I

696
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: knew the fallback was always going to be like, all right, well,

697
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: I can always just get back in my U haul

698
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: six months from now and drive back up to Chicago

699
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: and get back into sales and feel good about the

700
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: fact that I at least tried it. That would have

701
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: been the part that I would have had a really

702
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 3: really hard time living with myself, is if I had

703
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: said no. And the fact of the matter was, if

704
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: they had caught me like a month earlier or a

705
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: month later, once I maybe got another job then worked,

706
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: I probably would have said no. You know, because now

707
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: I'm looking at all the numbers of child support and

708
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: all these things, and they happen to catch me at

709
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: a moment. It sounds weird to say, like they happened

710
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: to catch me at a moment where my capacity to

711
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: do something that was probably at the very least fiscally irresponsible,

712
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 3: if not parentally irresponse to a degree, although I think

713
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: my kids have a much better version of me now

714
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: than they might have had if I had been in

715
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: Chicago slumping around in sales. It's yeah, yeah, yeah, And

716
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: my kids are the best. But I'm glad they caught

717
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: me on that day, you know what I mean. And

718
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: that's and so when I moved back here to get

719
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: into it, I told myself, I'm gonna give myself to

720
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: the end. We launched in August of two thousand and seven,

721
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: fifteen sixty the game, and I said, I'm gonna give

722
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: this to the beginning of the year, January first, two

723
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: thousand and eight. I wrote down, I said, I'm gonna

724
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: wake up January first, two thousand and eight, and I'm

725
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: gonna be honest with myself and ask myself, how is

726
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: this going? And I have no idea how the station

727
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: was doing. I probably not great. Our transmitter wasn't good,

728
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: you know, like we were a bunch of a bunch

729
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: of people doing their jobs for the first time, Like

730
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 3: fifteen sixty was a college thesis in the Peter principle,

731
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: Like it was Peter principal, people get promoted or get

732
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: a heighten to the level of their incompetence. And I'm

733
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: not saying people that were incompetent. I'm just saying there

734
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: were a lot of people there doing their jobs for

735
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: the first time. Goo owning a station for the first time,

736
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: you know, Richard Topper being a GM for the first time,

737
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: John Gernado being a VP of programming for the first time,

738
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: VP of anything for the first time. Maybe Chance mcclaim

739
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: first time program director. A lot of us Me and

740
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: John Harris. You know Johnny who everybody on this podcast knows.

741
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: He was my first co host at fifteen sixty. We

742
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: had we had a blast. We were never host before.

743
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: So that part of it I had to kind of

744
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: divorce myself of like, Okay, what's the business looked like

745
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: I was solely looking at how am I doing right?

746
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: The company was going to be the the company failed again,

747
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: I would find something else to go do, But how

748
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: am I doing it?

749
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: This?

750
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: Am I on a path to feel like I'm going somewhere?

751
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: And I assure you when I woke up on January

752
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: verse first, two thousand and eight, I was not good

753
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: at radio, but I felt like I was moving in

754
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: the right direction.

755
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: You know, I thought you guys did a good job.

756
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: Thank you.

757
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: But I remember you had that game seven.

758
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: You'd start your show with seven items and it would

759
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: take forty five minutes.

760
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: No, dude, dude, our opens would take four minutes. You know,

761
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: like that's that.

762
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 2: You know it's it's but you know what you were

763
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: ahead of your time. It was more like, let's just talk,

764
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: let's just go. And I will say this because you know,

765
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: I was still at six ten at the time, and

766
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: I took over mornings that very moment with andre Ware

767
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: when I left, and even though we had a big,

768
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: gigantic cume, that's a total audience on six ten, you

769
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: guys had a serious following.

770
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: And when you had events, they would blow it out.

771
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: And you guys had maybe a smaller audience, but they

772
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: listened a lot. So the ratings were really high the time.

773
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: People don't know maybe, but it's you know, tu sale

774
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: time spently.

775
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you get ratings one of two ways. You

776
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: either build a big audience that listens for you know,

777
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: fifteen twenty minutes at a time, or you get a

778
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: small audience. It doesn't change the channel all.

779
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: Day, right.

780
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: We were the latter.

781
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I thought there was a ceiling fan with

782
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: a meter on it somewhere.

783
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: We were shocked, as you were.

784
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: But you got you did a good job, and you

785
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: could tell you had the chops for it right away.

786
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: So what happened on January first, two thousand and eight.

787
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 3: Two thousand January first, two thousand and eight, I woke

788
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: up and just told myself, I'm gonna keep doing this. Yeah,

789
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna keep doing that. And and I

790
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: was having a blast, and I and Johnny and I

791
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: had such a great time working together, and those I

792
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: tell people all the time, like those first two years

793
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: in radio with Johnny were maybe the most maybe the

794
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: most fun two years I've ever had in any job,

795
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: radio or otherwise. We had so much fun because we

796
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: were coloring outside the lines. Eventually, the lack of direction

797
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: and things like that and classical radio training and coaching

798
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: and whatnot. And this is not to diminish people who

799
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: were actually coaching us in the building, but I you know,

800
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: like eventually our wanting to be this rogue station, you know,

801
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: like it had a shelf life probably, and then there

802
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: were all kinds of other things going on.

803
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: Plans were to increase the signal strength and all that.

804
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: That stuff didn't really happen. Yeah, so that kind of hurt.

805
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: It hurt.

806
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a ceiling on what we were going

807
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: to be able to do there. But it was so

808
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: much fun doing what we did for a couple of years.

809
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: But eventually, eventually, like for me, just financial stuff set in,

810
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, yeah, like I said,

811
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: it was a very fiscally irresponsible decision. So those first

812
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: two years, man, I mean think about it, like I

813
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: had three kids that were in Chicago. I'm in Texas.

814
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: They're all in sports. I can't be at all their games,

815
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: but I want to be at some of their games.

816
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: So I'm flying back and forth at least one or

817
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: two weekends a month to go up to Chicago. They're

818
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 3: flying down here a lot, I mean airline tickets alone.

819
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: I'm plowing through a lot of savings, but then factor in,

820
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: I'm sending, you know, several thousand to my ex wife

821
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: every month and things like that, Like my child support

822
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: is based you know, was based on what I was

823
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: making as a VP of sales, not what I'm making

824
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: as a radio host. So I mean, I am I

825
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: am plowing through savings. I'm running up debt just to

826
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 3: keep this radio dream alive. Like I was gonna like

827
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: they like I was so determined to make it, and

828
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: I was like the dollars they were painful, but my

829
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: mindset mark was they are going to have to come

830
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 3: pull me out from underneath an overpass to get me

831
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: to stop doing radio, you know what I mean? Like

832
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: I was determined to I was determined to a make

833
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: it succeed and be stay in a business. It was

834
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: so much more fun than anything that I was doing,

835
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: you know, selfishly. It was a lot of fun doing radio.

836
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: Mostly I needed to be successful because I had kids

837
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: that were eventually going to be in college and all

838
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: that other stuff, so you reach across. I mean, I

839
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: had three jobs at one time when I was working

840
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: at fifteen sixty, just to keep the payments up north going,

841
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: you know, I was working Johnny and I would finish

842
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 3: our show at seven o'clock. We were doing afternoon drive.

843
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: I would drive straight from our show over to Jake's

844
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: Philly Stakes on Chimney Rock to manage their bar, like

845
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: four nights a week at midnight till midnight.

846
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: Wow.

847
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, till till midnight. And then I'd go home

848
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 3: and I'd get a few hours of sleep, and I'd

849
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: get up and I'd, you know, I do it.

850
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: All over again show.

851
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I you know, that's part of that, part

852
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: of like just surviving was I found out I could

853
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: write a little bit, you know. I wrote for the

854
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: Houston Press. Approached me and said, hey, we like what

855
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: you do on the radio. Do you think you can

856
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: transfer that into doing blog posts? I said, how much

857
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: does it pay? At the time, it was twenty bucks

858
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: a post, and I said, I'll take it. I mean,

859
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: I was anything I could do to scrape a few

860
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: hundred bucks a week together, just to supplement my income.

861
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: To this day, I'm still writing to the house for

862
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: the Houston Press for a lot more than twenty bucks

863
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 3: a post, thankfully. But I found out along the way

864
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: even doing that, like they like my writing enough to

865
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: where they had me doing cover stories I never wrote,

866
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: but they liked my writing style, and so I wrote

867
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 3: cover stories I wrote before, never written well professionally, I'd

868
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 3: never written, and so I was writing. I was learning

869
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: how to write long form stories that were cover stories

870
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 3: for the Houston Press. And they're very meticulous about writing

871
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 3: style there. They're they're they're very good writers over there,

872
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: and those paid really well. That was like two thousand

873
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: dollars for a cover story for the Houston Press. So

874
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: that was when I found out. When they asked me

875
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: to do that, I'm like, it pays what I said, Yeah,

876
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: I'll give that a try, and then they asked. I

877
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 3: guess they liked them because they kept asking me to

878
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 3: do them. So my point with all this isn't a

879
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: brag about being the future Pulitzer Prize winner that I'm

880
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 3: going to be. It's to say that, like, man, I

881
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: just I did whatever I could to survive and stay

882
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: in the just keep my jersey and stay in radio.

883
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: But it was two thousand and nine where I'm like, Okay,

884
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: well this is silly. I got to get somewhere where

885
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: I can actually like, you know, make the real money again,

886
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: you know, like and and look, nobody doing sports radio

887
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 3: in Houston is getting independently wealthy just doing radio or

888
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: anything like that. But there are levels, yes, and I

889
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: needed to get back to the level I was accustomed

890
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: to when I was a really good salesperson or a

891
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 3: director of sales and things like that. And I knew

892
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: that I knew that that was available at six ten.

893
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: You know, if you produce results and you get sponsors

894
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: and things like that. And I knew that six '

895
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: ten was the gold standard in town for radio, having

896
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: been a listener, having competed against it, and also knowing

897
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: that six ' ten had the has the NFL team,

898
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: you know, has the Texans. I said, that's where I

899
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: got to get. And so I sat down by myself

900
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine and literally wrote down all

901
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: the things that I felt I needed to do, like

902
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 3: over the next year to get the wheels in motion,

903
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: to at least at them to notice that I wanted

904
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: to be over there, you know what I mean.

905
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: Were you up for Nick Wright?

906
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 3: Yes?

907
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: That job?

908
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: Yes?

909
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: All right, so when I left the morning show, you

910
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: interviewed for the job. Yeah, And I think I read

911
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: that in Barrett's article. Yeah, but obviously Nick gets it.

912
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: But so you were close. You made an impression that

913
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 2: was close.

914
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: So one of the things I wrote down in two

915
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: thousand and nine was make sure Gavin Spittle knows who

916
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: you are.

917
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

918
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: And Gavin was was you All's program director at the time,

919
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: who's a tremendous program director. Would have loved to have

920
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: worked for him longer than just the interim period that

921
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: I worked for him for a few months last year

922
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: when we were in between pds. I love Gavin, but

923
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: I made I needed to make sure he knew who

924
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: I was. So I would make an effort to go

925
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: introduce myself at Texans games in the press box to him,

926
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, when I when there were things that involved

927
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: multiple radio stations being there, I would seek out Gavin

928
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: and things like that and make so we became friendly.

929
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: And I think that helped lead to yes getting when

930
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: you came back in house here and you left the

931
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: morning show, that left the spot there. I don't remember

932
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: it was me reaching out to Gavin or Gavin reaching

933
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: out to me. I don't remember how it was initiated,

934
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: but I did. I did interview a couple of times

935
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 3: with him, and I remember the first time I sat

936
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: down with him, one of the first things he had

937
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 3: me do was give him a copy of my contract

938
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: that I had with my current employers so they could

939
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: take a look at how hirable I was. Because for

940
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: people who don't know radio, non competes and it takes

941
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: the jaws of life to get him out of a

942
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: contract sometimes, So he was real helpful. He was real

943
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 3: helpful with that. Like I eventually Nick Wright got that job,

944
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 3: and I don't think I didn't get the job because

945
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: my things with my contract. Nick is awesome. Nick is

946
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: I would hire Nick, you know, Like I think Nick's great.

947
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: I think he's tremendous on TV and he's a good

948
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: friend to this day. He was really helpful in getting

949
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 3: me over to six ten eventually, if I'm being honest,

950
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: Like we became friendly before my going over there, But

951
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: Gavin was really helpful because he said, well, if you

952
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: get this, this and this taken out, forget about six ten,

953
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: just become more hireable in general, you know, six ten

954
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: or seven ninety or whoever. And so that was in

955
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: twenty twelve. Didn't get that opportunity, but a year later

956
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: the wheels started moving again when Josh Innis was leaving

957
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: the afternoon show to go up to Philadelphia to WIP

958
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: and at that point Gavin was gone, he was in Dallas,

959
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: but Ryan mcreden was the PDE and I'm guessing that

960
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: there was maybe you know, Gavin and Ryan were friendly,

961
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: you know, they were close before Ryan got that job.

962
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: And so eventually I interviewed with Ryan, eventually got the

963
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: job to do afternoons with Rich Lord, and eventually they

964
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: added Ted Johnson to the show as well. But that

965
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: was January first, twenty fourteen. Was my first day at

966
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: six ten.

967
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: Wow.

968
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: So from the time sitting down going I got to

969
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: get over to six you can imagine all the all

970
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: the hoops I'm jumping through to keep this radio thing

971
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: alive just into two thousand and nine, in twenty ten,

972
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: and then it's four more years after that to get

973
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: over to to get over to sports Radio six ten.

974
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: So wait, when did Nick leave and when did you

975
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: take over mornings?

976
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: Nick? Well, Nick left in twenty sixteen. Oh that's right.

977
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: It was Mike and Set.

978
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: Mike Sets were in mornings. Yeah, the morning thing eventually

979
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: happened when Armine got hired in twenty nineteen. Okay, because

980
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: my goal was to get to six ten, period, and

981
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: then once I got in the door, then I really

982
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 3: wanted to be in mornings. And when Nick left, I

983
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: asked about it, you know, I asked about getting into mornings,

984
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: and they they they felt it, you know, better to

985
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: go with the go with Mike and Set in the mornings.

986
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: Keep me with Rich.

987
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: They was that midday show.

988
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: They were the midday show, and they moved them up

989
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: to mornings, which I was. And to be clear, like

990
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: I wasn't like angling for the mornings, like stabbing guys

991
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: in the back, like I got to get this morning thing.

992
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: But I think anybody in our business goes, well, these

993
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: are the two plumb spots of the drive time spots.

994
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: So so, and let me guess Rich didn't want to

995
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: do morening.

996
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: Well, no, no, I don't, I don't. I honestly, I

997
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: don't even know that. I knew Rich didn't want to

998
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: do mornings because he's you know, he'd said that to

999
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: me long before that morning started.

1000
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: Because when when fifteen sixty started, you know, seven, yeah,

1001
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: and John and Lance leave, I wanted to do mornings,

1002
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: and I said, and I was doing afternoons with Rich.

1003
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: I said, let's go do mornings right now. There's a

1004
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: big vacancy in the hotel. Let's go do mornings. And

1005
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: he's like, no, I don't wan anymore. Yeah, So, and

1006
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: I get it. Some people just aren't mourning people. And

1007
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 2: I was like, I am a morning person, man, I

1008
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: need to do mornings. I'll drink coffee, I'll do mornings.

1009
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I knew, and I knew he didn't.

1010
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: I like the lifestyle of mornings better. You know. I

1011
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 3: like being you know, done at ten am, and we're

1012
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: still doing stuff throughout the day, but but but not

1013
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 3: having to be somewhere after ten am, you know what

1014
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: I mean. Oh, yeah, you're still working during the day,

1015
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: but you like, when you're on air, you got to

1016
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: be somewhere.

1017
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: So well, I always felt like by eight o'clock, you've

1018
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: done half your show and you don't even really notice it. Yeah,

1019
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: because it's just coffee and adrenaline, and you know, all

1020
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: of a sudden it's nine o'clock hour and we're almost

1021
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: done with the show. But and I want to ask

1022
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: you some other stuff about that, but go on.

1023
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well I was just saying, you know, the

1024
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: station eventually show the I don't know if this is

1025
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 3: what the issue was. I do know this was factual,

1026
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: like our show was doing well in the afternoons.

1027
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I think there was.

1028
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 3: A part of it too, like okay, why why would

1029
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: I break.

1030
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: Up this successful show?

1031
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: You break it up at that point? Yeah, and that's

1032
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: a radio thing. Why we breaking up two shows? Even

1033
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: though you're to me or a natural morning guy in sports? Yeah,

1034
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: who who has the bright personality and upbeat and everything?

1035
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: And you want to wake up, you got to wake

1036
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: up with somebody. I remember joking around with Andre when

1037
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 2: we took over mornings, and I was like, dude, coffee, Yeah,

1038
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: let's go, let's go entergy.

1039
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: Six o'clock, energy, six o'clock. You got to be going

1040
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour.

1041
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1042
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's laughing. And he did a great job, but

1043
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: he was working eight days a week during the football

1044
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: sea you could keep that up tough.

1045
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: But tell me this, Yeah, because I know people ask you, well,

1046
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: what do you do with the rest of your day?

1047
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: You prepare, You work hard to get ready.

1048
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: And I know this because I you know, I know

1049
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: the business, and I know what I'm listening to, and

1050
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: I know you spend a lot of time getting ready

1051
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: and you're great with audio. Oh and all that stuff

1052
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: takes time in preparation. So people don't realize that. Sometimes

1053
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: it's he just turn on the mic. You could do that,

1054
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: but it's not gonna be very good. You put the

1055
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: time in.

1056
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. You can tell when people do that,

1057
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: when they turn on the mic. And there's some people

1058
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: that get away with doing it. You got to be

1059
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: a rare talent to just get away with flipping on

1060
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: a microphone and going for four hours. Yeah, that's not

1061
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: me and I and by the way, I'm not comfortable

1062
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: doing that, Like I need to be prepared, yeah, at stuff.

1063
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, I do, Like I probably if I'm like

1064
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: portioning it out, like probably like an hour to an

1065
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: hour and fifteen minutes of prep for like each hour

1066
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 3: of the show, you know, for like a four hour show,

1067
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: I'm probably doing stuff consistently like sit down now and

1068
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 3: prepping for the show for probably like three or four

1069
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: hours in the afternoon.

1070
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: You know, if you won't lose, you won't use a

1071
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: lot of it, right.

1072
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, A lot of it gets left on

1073
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: the cutting room floor or I mean, you know, we

1074
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: have a long rundown of Google doc that Seth and

1075
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: I share, like so literally sometimes in show, I'll have

1076
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: a topic slotted at the back end of a segment

1077
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: and I'll literally cut and paste and put it down

1078
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: below that day's run down and go, I can use

1079
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: that on Thursday this week or something like that, you know,

1080
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: kind of like topic conservation, you know what I mean, Like,

1081
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: I s I don't need that right now. So yeah,

1082
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 3: there's always for me, there's always a lot of moving

1083
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: parts even in the show, you know what I mean.

1084
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: You learn to do that though, to set up the

1085
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 2: show like that, because you're not born with that, necessarily

1086
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: have to learn how to do that over time.

1087
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's six ' ten. I mean, I you know,

1088
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: like I I think back to how Johnny and I

1089
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: were doing shows. I don't know that we ever had

1090
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: a rundown for anything. I mean, I think we had

1091
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: a general idea of what we were doing and topics

1092
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: and things like that. I mean, I literally don't remember

1093
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 3: what we were doing back then other than we I mean,

1094
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: we prepared hard for the show. Johnny and I are

1095
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 3: both up there at fifteen sixty nine point thirty ten

1096
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: in the morning for a two o'clock show. So we

1097
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: had a I mean, we probably had a written outline

1098
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: or something like that, like next to me here, like

1099
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: let's do this. We don't know anything about teasing into

1100
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: the next segment a rundown. I probably became like super

1101
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: rundown centric when I got over to six ten. Yeah,

1102
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: you know, like.

1103
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 2: That's nobody in the mark had ever teased until Gavin

1104
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: Spittle got to the market.

1105
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1106
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: He taught the whole market how to tease.

1107
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: And how important it was because it was he would

1108
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: stand there if you were if you didn't tease into

1109
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: a segment, he'd probably stand by the window. Yeah, you know,

1110
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: it looked like a horror movie seeing his face through

1111
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: the glass.

1112
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I didn't tease. It was he was awful.

1113
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's yeah, probably probably probably six ' ten.

1114
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: And you know, and at first some of it was

1115
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: just me probably feeling okay. Now now I'm at the

1116
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: big time station here in town. I've got to be

1117
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 3: more prepared and I just got to be more organized

1118
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 3: with all this. Some of it is getting a feel

1119
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 3: for your co host too, like, okay, what's their style

1120
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: of preparation. Also, I think Rich read a lot of

1121
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: stuff for sure, Like I don't think he was unprepared, Like,

1122
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: but he was not into doing a Google doc, a

1123
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: shared Google doc like that wasn't his deal.

1124
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 2: He would show up with all the all the paperwork,

1125
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 2: he'd print out everything.

1126
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: He'd plume it all, you know, and I say this

1127
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: with love. He would you know this from want to

1128
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: show them. He would literally have printed articles, thirty of.

1129
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: Them, yeap, highlight highlighted.

1130
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 3: Yes, the paper was cut. It started out at one

1131
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: time as an eight and a half by eleven for

1132
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: whatever reason, he would cut it down to about seven

1133
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: like five by seven, like seven by nine or something

1134
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: like that. And they're all stapled, they're all highlighted standings.

1135
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, right from the days of it takes too long

1136
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: to look this stuff up. Yeah, And sometimes it's great

1137
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: to like, well the games back and.

1138
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: You have it right in front of you. I get it.

1139
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 2: I get it to have the look back in the nineties.

1140
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: You need the baseball stats, batting averages. I gotta have

1141
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: the standings. I gotta have all that stuff at my

1142
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: finger too.

1143
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 3: There was the reason that Fowler opened the show. Let's

1144
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: say it. What was in the chronicle today. Damn thing

1145
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: was open on the table, you know. So yeah, so

1146
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: someone is getting a feel for what your prep style is,

1147
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: of your co hosts and stuff like for example, like

1148
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: Seth and I, now we've got the Google doc that

1149
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: shared he and our plunking stuff down into it all

1150
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 3: the time, weren't constant touch during the day, like texting

1151
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: each other stuff, texting each other audio, or texting each

1152
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: other's stories, so that we're not going in cold on

1153
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 3: anything with each other. We kind of know what's coming.

1154
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: And like I would say, like two thirds of the

1155
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: show is stuff that two thirds, like seventy five percent

1156
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: of stuff that we we were exchanging stuff on the

1157
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: day before was in the rundown we went to bed

1158
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: at night, and an the other twenty five percent is

1159
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: stuff that's gonna happen like while you're sitting in the

1160
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: studio breaking news on ESPN, and then you adapt and

1161
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: you react to that.

1162
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: You know, that's the best, actually, right, the best. Yeah,

1163
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: when you get a fresh meat.

1164
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1165
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: Just give me some content.

1166
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: I mean, because I think about over the last fifteen

1167
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: twenty years. You know, people forget what some of the

1168
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: big stories were. Vince Young, Do you draft Vince Young

1169
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: or not? Was a huge topic every day full board.

1170
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: I wasn't here for that. I didn't move back until

1171
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 3: after that.

1172
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: I hear, we're here for Clemens. You were here for that.

1173
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: Clemmens and the whole.

1174
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: Rusty Harden that was at the very beginning of my

1175
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: radio career. Yeah, oh yeah, we're talking about like you're

1176
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: talking about the Congress and everything else.

1177
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that and as trainer and his shots and

1178
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: whatever that allegedly happened. That was a huge story of

1179
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: the time. But you make it through the rain. You

1180
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 2: do change. They do change.

1181
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 3: You do.

1182
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 2: So tell me this. We talked about prep. But let's

1183
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: go back to early in your professional life. Advice for

1184
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: young people because I'm hearing listen, give it a shot

1185
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: while you're young and you don't have all the obligations.

1186
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 2: And I always tell that to people too.

1187
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: You're young. You can go anywhere.

1188
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: You could work in sus Saint Marie, Michigan. It doesn't matter.

1189
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: Just get in somehow to whatever it is your dream job.

1190
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: Business is.

1191
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a few things. I think relationships are

1192
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: crucially important. Nurturing relationships, creating relationships, not being afraid to

1193
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: talk to people, ask questions. Listening is a big skill too.

1194
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: When those relationships come about. There's no way I'm probably

1195
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 3: back here doing the radio stuff if I'm not keeping

1196
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: in touch with the guys back in Houston. Good point,

1197
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 3: you know. And and that was my keeping in touch

1198
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: with them. A lot of it was because we were

1199
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: still friends. It had you know, it didn't. It had

1200
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: more to do with being friends with them and that

1201
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: being a true relationship. Then I got to keep in

1202
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: touch with them so I can get into radio someday,

1203
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 3: even though those are the people telling me, like, you'd

1204
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: be really good at radio. But I just think relationships.

1205
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: I think when I say everything is sales like knowing

1206
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: knowing exactly what the needs are of whoever it is

1207
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: you're serving. You know what I mean, and and and

1208
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 3: so in sales, you're trying to find out the needs

1209
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: of your customer, you know. But when when I'm when

1210
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: you're interviewing for a job or like when I'm interviewing

1211
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: to try to go over to six ten, I'm trying

1212
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: to figure out, Okay, what is it that they need

1213
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 3: in this spot right here, Like what how do I

1214
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: scratch where they can itch? And that was one of

1215
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: the big things I wanted to do early on in

1216
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: my radio career when I was jotting down the thing

1217
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: to get over to six to ten list was do

1218
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: everything like host a host a solo show when you

1219
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 3: get a chance, be in the one chair, be in

1220
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 3: the two chair, do a podcast, go on TV, right,

1221
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: all those things, because then eventually, when you get in

1222
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: front of the audience that you need to convince to

1223
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: hire you, there was nothing that they could say, well,

1224
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 3: you haven't done this yet, you haven't done that. I

1225
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 3: had audio of me doing everything if they needed it,

1226
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: you know, so I think you know the relationships, knowing

1227
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 3: what the needs are and knowing what the needs of

1228
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 3: your audiences I think is just as big. Like that's

1229
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: to me, like the biggest challenges. Okay, what are they

1230
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 3: what are they seeking right now? Like what what is

1231
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: hitting with this? What's It's easier to figure out now

1232
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 3: because there's way more ways they can interact with us

1233
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: to tell us. But even putting that through the filter

1234
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 3: of like, all right, is this a small group saying

1235
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 3: they want this or is this really reflective of the masses,

1236
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: but knowing what the needs are of whatever audience is

1237
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 3: you're trying to impress. Do Especially for people young in

1238
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: their career, I would say do more, you know, like

1239
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 3: just whatever it is. I tell my kids this and

1240
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: the jobs there and like whatever it is, they're asking

1241
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: you doing your job when the opportunity comes up to

1242
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: do more. You're at the stage of your career in

1243
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: your life where the answer is yes, to do it more.

1244
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: Do do more? Be coachable. I would say that was

1245
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: a big thing for me. Is like I didn't know

1246
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: really much about being a radio host, so so being

1247
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, being coachable, taking coaching, all of those things.

1248
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 3: Gratitude is a big thing with me. Like I like

1249
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 3: this sounds simple, but like handwritten thank you notes are

1250
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: a big thing with me. I tell young people that

1251
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: all the time, Like it's it's not as hard as

1252
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: you think to set yourself apart from a crowd. If

1253
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: you actually write a note to somebody, I promise you,

1254
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 3: I promise you, you will be in a very small

1255
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: minority if you drop your resume off in person, you know,

1256
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: something like that. Everybody's doing things electronically. Like if you

1257
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: do something non electronic that's not intrusive or creepy, then

1258
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: then you'll you'll you'll set yourself apart. I just think

1259
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 3: the biggest thing though, like is I don't know if

1260
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 3: this is advice or just like grit. Man, just gotta

1261
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 3: have grit, you know, like you just you gotta be relentless.

1262
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 3: You know, if you want something bad enough, you just

1263
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 3: gotta you gotta go after it, just relentlessly. And you

1264
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: have to sometimes I think for me, maybe to my

1265
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 3: own detriment of times, just ignore like the outside noise

1266
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: or many you know, any like negative ripple effects it's

1267
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: causing if you're singularly not to the point where it's

1268
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: a detriment on your family or something like that. But

1269
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 3: if you're trying relentlessly to go after something, there's gonna

1270
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 3: be a ton of outside noise. Like man, you just

1271
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: got to stay focused on what that is.

1272
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: Right, you know, and things will start coming to you.

1273
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 3: Yeah maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean you gotta

1274
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 3: be talented and you got to you know, and you

1275
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 3: need breaks. Yeah, you know, like you need Blake if

1276
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: timing well, I like, look, if you if the decision

1277
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: is not made to have you do what you did

1278
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve and come off a morning radio, then

1279
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: there's no wheels that go in motion to have me

1280
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: get that first interview with six ten And who knows

1281
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 3: if I don't get that first interview with Gavin. Who

1282
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: knows if I get an interview in twenty thirteen.

1283
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: Right, So it might have been another way. Yeah, but

1284
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: you never know.

1285
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 3: It's but you never know. Like so you need you know,

1286
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: there's a lot of luck involved, but there's a lot

1287
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 3: of things you can do to I won't say create

1288
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: your own luck, but definitely maximize your opportunity when the

1289
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 3: luck presents.

1290
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 2: Itself, well, you present yourself very well. Sean, Hey, love

1291
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: listening to you in the morning and Texans pre and

1292
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: post game.

1293
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 3: Can I just tell you, I just want to mention

1294
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: that that was another that was another big thing as

1295
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 3: long as we're sitting in this studio and you're here,

1296
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: that was a huge thing for me to get over

1297
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 3: to six ' ten two. Well, my goal was to

1298
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 3: once I got there, I want to be part of

1299
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 3: the game. Day presentation for the Texans. So it started.

1300
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 3: I was on the postgame show with I think Mike

1301
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: Meltzer and Ted Johnson maybe the first season we were there,

1302
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 3: and then it's evolved now into doing pre and postgame

1303
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 3: and that's that is. Texans game Day is my favorite.

1304
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 3: It's my favorite.

1305
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1306
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 3: I love doing Texans Game Dad, even in the bad seasons.

1307
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 3: I love doing it because I just love the process

1308
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: of it. I love it's a long day, but it's

1309
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 3: a it's an awesome long day. Like I love the

1310
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 3: process of getting to the stadium at eight o'clock doing

1311
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: quick videos you're walking into the building. My process is

1312
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 3: I always coming here at this studio at eight thirty

1313
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: and Johnny's usually in here doing his thing, So I

1314
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 3: get Johnny's take on the game, which smartens me up

1315
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: for the pregame show a little bit, and then pregame

1316
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: show from nine to handing it over to you guys,

1317
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 3: and then the game itself taking I just I love

1318
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: the process of an NFL game day and I love

1319
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 3: being a part of it. And I love the fact

1320
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: that my and Clint opinions are the first ones that

1321
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 3: people here. Yeah, you know it in that sort of environment.

1322
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 3: I know you and Andre are still doing your thing

1323
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: for the next twenty or twenty five.

1324
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: Minutes, but we're cooked at that point. Yeah, yeah, you're recapit. Yeah,

1325
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 2: you guys are taking the calls. You guys are giving

1326
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 2: your takes right off the bat. I love that, and they've.

1327
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: Been stored up for three yeah. Yeah, so I I

1328
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 3: just think it's it's it's my favorite thing in my

1329
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: job is Texans game Day, and so thank you for

1330
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 3: the opportunity to do that.

1331
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: You do the best job ever. I mean, it really

1332
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: is terrific, and I love that you do the pre

1333
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: and the post. We have continuity there and you said it,

1334
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: there's nothing like game Day.

1335
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: There's nothing like it, and that's how.

1336
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: I always feel.

1337
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: I love doing it. Man. I love you.

1338
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for being on with us, Sean.

1339
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: We appreciate it.

1340
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: What a great talk with Sean Pendergast, who you can

1341
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: hear every morning, well weekday Morning Sports Radio six ten

1342
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: six to ten am with Seth Payne. That's gonna do

1343
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: it for the vander Pod. Hit subscribe, check out all

1344
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: the other pods wherever you got this one. Regarding your

1345
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: Houston Texans, have a great day. Go Texans.