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Speaker 1: on Radio Row with JJ Stango. It's I'm Matt Taylor.

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Speaker 1: That is Dane Bruegler, and certainly the beast that you

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. That intro that's the The draft

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Speaker 1: guide is something I put a it's a year round process,

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Speaker 1: So that's why you do it. You got to give

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Speaker 1: you know, what their background, but also can they play

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Speaker 1: You know, it's so many text messages and voicemails of

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Speaker 1: and you know who's in their family, and you know

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Speaker 1: And then you get into the strengths and weaknesses of

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Speaker 1: that's probably our teams are doing. You got it. You

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Speaker 1: athletes exactly. Christian Gonzala is a corner in this draft

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Speaker 1: And I don't believe Anthony is a guy that you're

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