1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to will Gate ap Daily 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from an undisclosed location, No, 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: just kidding. I am up in Rhode Island this week, 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: and folks, I'm very excited because this month of January 5 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: is about bringing back on some of my favorite guests 6 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: and friends to get their thoughts about where they are 7 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: as we have turned the page on this new year, 8 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: and to get a sense of where they think our 9 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: politics is going to take us in twenty twenty three. 10 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: And so on today's show, I'm so excited to be 11 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: joined by my friend, doctor Christina Greer, Associate Professor of 12 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: Politics at Fordham University. And you know, I love having 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: her on because, unlike me, she's a bit more hopeful 14 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: about this current moment. And you know, she makes the 15 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: good point that being a professor and working with young 16 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: people the next generation of political scholars and leaders, requires hopefulness. 17 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: It requires that you can pass the baton to the 18 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: next generation and hope that they take it further than you. 19 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: The problem that I have isn't in my hope or 20 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: faith in the next generation. It's the ship show. Apparently, 21 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: you know that we are giving them to inherit. As 22 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: I look at the current landscape and as I'm recording 23 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: this right now, yet another scandal unfolding about George Santos. That, 24 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: of course, Kevin McCarthy either plays like he has amnesia 25 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: or he is just that dumb, or he's just that 26 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: conniving when it comes to holding on to his Fisher 27 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: Price gabble, which is you know, sickening because I've said, 28 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, I used to hold members of Congress, those 29 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: elected officials in such high esteem. I believe that, you know, 30 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: they went into public service because they cared about, you know, 31 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: moving the country forward. They cared about the lives of 32 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: the American people and creating policies and legislation that you know, 33 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: would help make their lives better. But that's not where 34 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: we are, and those days are long, long, long gone. 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: But you know, you can't help but feel sick for it, 36 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, in your stomach. And you know, these latest 37 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: scandals around George Santos and where he did he get 38 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: his money from? Is that even his real name? Now? 39 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: He apparently was a drag performer in Brazil or you know, 40 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: dressed up in drag and you know, frankly, I could 41 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: give a fuck about whether or not he, you know, 42 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: dressed up in drag. I just hate the fact that 43 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: he's decided to associate himself with a party that is 44 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: true trying to turn very magical, fun, joyful performers and 45 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,839 Speaker 1: performances into something that is depraved. I hate the fact 46 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: that you can't trust not a thing that that man 47 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: has said, not about his own life or anybody else's, 48 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: because he's lied about everything, and that he is a 49 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: sitting member of Congress that is getting access to classify 50 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: documents and we don't even know who he is, and 51 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: that should make everyone sick, but apparently it doesn't bother Republicans, 52 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: because how do they tell the difference between one grifter 53 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: and liar from another right. It's just that George Santos 54 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: is just so fucking bad at it. But regardless of that, 55 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: I get into a conversation this episode with my friend 56 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: Christina Greer about what she thinks about where our politics 57 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: is headed, particularly, you know, the latest story around Solomon Pennia, 58 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: the former Republican candidate in New Mexico that hired four 59 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: hitmen to shoot up the offices of Democratic leaders, and 60 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: the fact that that is not getting the kind of 61 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: mainstream media play that it should an outrage, but instead 62 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: we want to talk about twelve documents found in Joe 63 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: Biden's garage. It's like, can we pay attention to the 64 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: things that are important, like the rise in political violence 65 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: that is being, you know, fanned by the Republican White 66 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: National Party. So, folks, you know, sometimes it is hard 67 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: to muster the faith and belief that you know, young 68 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: people are the future when the present is just so bleak. 69 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: Coming up next my conversation with my good friend doctor 70 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Christina Greer. Folks, you know that whenever I have the 71 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: opportunity to chat with my friend, doctor Christina Greer, Associate 72 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: Professor of Political Science at Fordham University, I am always 73 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: quite pleased because she is, folks, much more optimistic than 74 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: I am, and as a professor, I would assume first 75 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: of all that you need to be. But Christina, this 76 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: is our first show in the new year, so happy 77 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: new Year to you friend. I want to get your 78 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: sense of what are you feeling and thinking about our 79 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: current political climate and how we kicked off this one 80 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: hundred and eighteenth Congress with a absolute shit show. Well, 81 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: one happy new Year. I love spending time with you too. 82 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: I think I'm always, you know, optimistic, because I teach 83 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: young people, so I'm with the future of this country 84 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: on a weekly daily basis. So I feel like we're 85 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: in good hands. And I love gen Z. I just 86 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: think they're the Besneys, and they're interesting and they're heart scrabble. 87 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: They're a lot more like gen Z like us, you know, 88 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 1: because they're kind of growing up without everything. They didn't 89 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: really have helicopter parents. Money is a little wonky, like 90 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: everything's uncertain, and so they're kind of a transition generation 91 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: the way we were, from technology and race and gender 92 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: and immigration. I mean, so many things were going on 93 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: when you think about our childhoods, and same with them. 94 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: It's a lot of tragedy, it's a lot of chaos, 95 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: it's a lot of confusion. So I really feel good 96 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: about them. As far as this new Congress, you know, yes, 97 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: am I worried about our Democratic Republic. Absolutely? Am I 98 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: worried about the world and other countries that are unfortunately 99 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: following our suit with January sixth? Absolutely, do I think that, 100 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Biden has done much better than expected. Yes, 101 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: Do I think that Republicans have a good chance of 102 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: overplaying their hands. Yeah, it's going to be a difficult 103 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: Congress because the margins are so slim. You know, we 104 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: have divided government where Republicans control the House now and 105 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: Democrats control the Senate by a small margin. But you know, 106 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: you have Hackem Jeffries, who's been under the tutelage of 107 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: Lancy Pelosi for many years, and she's still there, you know, 108 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: sort of serving as a shadow mentor. Luckily for the 109 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, she's passed the baton and we're starting to 110 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 1: think about a new generation of leaders. You know, Huckem 111 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: Jeffries is early fifties, so it's not like he's a 112 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: spring chicken. But like nobody is out into and octen nagarian. 113 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: So I got a lot of octagenarians and septagenarians, you know, 114 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: running stuff. You know Bernie Elizabeth Warren, Maxine Waters is 115 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: eighty four, Like she looks fantastic, but she's eighty four. 116 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: You know, Nancy Pelosi eighties, you know, Joe Biden eighty. 117 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: I still understand why these people don't want to spend 118 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: time with the grandkids. But hey, that's just me right, 119 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: Like I would think my mom's like I love being 120 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: a grandma and she's like, you know, going to them 121 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: all with my knees like whatever. So I think Republicans, 122 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: because they've got so many factions and they've let the 123 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: inmates start running the asylum, they have created not just 124 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: a dragon, a series of dragons that they are now 125 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: trying to contain and quell. And these dragons have said, 126 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: I will burn this country down to the ground if 127 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: you don't give me what I want. And I believe them, right, 128 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: I believe they'll do it. Um. But I do think that, 129 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, Democrats are at least trying to have a 130 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: unified front, like we do have a lot of our 131 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: own factions. But the blessing for Democrats is, you know, 132 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: the progressive wing isn't ready to burn down the country 133 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: to get what they want. You know, they actually will sometimes, right, 134 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: but I mean they're willing to come to the table 135 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: with a good faith effort to at least compromise and 136 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: try and have a more nuanced and adult conversation. You know, 137 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: you also just have to look at the quality of 138 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: candidates the Republican Party has come to. Please get what 139 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: give us a rundown of the trail, Like, what's the 140 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: long term strategy for them. You can't have a party with. 141 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: You know, Laura Bobert is one of your stars. Matt 142 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: gets tiptok, like, you know, we we will get to 143 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: the bottom of you and your predilection for young girls. Right, 144 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: m You've got Marjorie Taylor Green, who's like a loon. 145 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: I haven't even touched on George Santos, where you know, 146 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: we don't know jokes about this man, but like he's 147 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: clearly mentally unstable. If you're gonna lie about your mother, 148 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna lie about literally everything in your CV. 149 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: And also, we're gonna get to the bottom of George 150 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: Santos because you can't go from making fifty thousand or 151 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: thirty five thousand dollars and being evicted every few months 152 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: to all of a sudden having five million dollars and 153 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: being able to loan yourself seven hundred thousand. Where is 154 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: that money coming from? Now? Republicans aren't going to ask 155 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: that question because we didn't ask that question of Marco 156 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: Rubio when he was able to pay off all his debt. 157 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: We didn't ask that question of Brett Kavanaugh when he 158 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: was able to pay off all his debt miraculously. And 159 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: this is these are people who had hundreds of thousands 160 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: of debt. So we know Republicans aren't going to do it. 161 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: And the Rogerstone model for Republicans is just to like 162 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: throw so many chaos bombs. We're just we're all over 163 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: the police trying to grab truth and knowledge and figure 164 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: out what's going on. And it looks like Democrats are 165 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: just being petty and going after Republicans all the time. 166 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: It's like, well, y'all keep doing stuff, right, you keep 167 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 1: breaking the law or potentially bringing the law, and we're 168 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: trying to find out. But I think that like at 169 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: some point Republicans are going to expose themselves for the 170 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: fact that like they don't have any policies. But I mean, 171 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: but Christina, we keep saying this, we do, we keep 172 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: saying this, as Democrats said, at some point in time, 173 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, the American people are going to realize they 174 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: don't have an agenda. I mean, they didn't put up 175 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: an agenda for the twenty twenty election. The RNC did 176 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: not put up a new agenda, and they said, oh, 177 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: let's run it back to twenty sixteen, like it was 178 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: a mixtape. So you know what I'm saying. So it's like, 179 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: at what point, because we keep way for people to 180 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, that's right. They really don't have nothing. 181 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: They literally have nothing to offer the American people except 182 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: a roll back to the nineteen fifties. But then it 183 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. But here's the thing. I think you're talking 184 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: about changing hearts and minds, which I don't think it 185 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: is going to happen for the vast majority of Republicans, 186 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: right because if you've been with this nonsense clown car 187 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: since twenty sixteen, like you're in it, Okay, you clearly 188 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: are comfortable in it, so be in it. But I 189 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: think that the Democrats are getting more and more people 190 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: who one or two things who either were like I 191 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: don't really care, nothing really affects me. I don't know. 192 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: They're starting to pay attention a little bit more. And 193 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: also younger people, not all young people, because we've seen 194 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: Republicans are doing very well recruiting young people to their racist, 195 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: fascist ideologies, but there are a lot of young people 196 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: who are like, this is not what I want, Like I, 197 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, like I can have a complicated question conversation 198 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: about a woman's right to choose like they are seeing 199 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: nuanced conversations about the environment. They are seeing it's like 200 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: my education system did fail me. Wait a minute, like 201 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: I could pay all this money to the government, and 202 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: like my school wasn't like my friends school. Like that 203 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. There are a lot of people 204 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: who were putting two and two together. They're frustrated that 205 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: the quote unquote government looks a certain way, but they 206 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: are also they are able to decipher the difference between 207 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: these two parties because if you look at some of 208 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: the disaggregated data for these close raisings that we saw, 209 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: which is really scary that they were close. Like I'm 210 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: not saying like, oh, we're out of the woods, we 211 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: were nowhere in it. I mean, we were praying about 212 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: herschel Walker. The man couldn't put together two sentences with 213 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: a flashlight and some assistants, And we were praying to 214 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: God that Reverend Warnock, and that not even Reverend Warnock, 215 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: because we knew that he wasn't above average candidate, But 216 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: we were praying to God that the people of Georgia, 217 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: after all the gerrymandering, voter suppression and threats, that they 218 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: would make it to the polls and be able to 219 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: do the right thing right. I just think, I guess 220 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: for me, it's so, if we're not trying to change 221 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: hearts and minds, because you say it's a lost cause, 222 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: then what are we trying to change. I think we're 223 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: trying to articulate a vision to get more people off 224 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: the sidelines and more present and active because I think 225 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,239 Speaker 1: that we've put a lot of focus on national politics. 226 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: But what I'm seeing and I'm encouraged by, is a 227 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: lot of people are getting a lot more active on 228 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: local levels and paying attention on statewide levels because they 229 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: recognize the pipeline. They recognize that these people hold a 230 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: lot of power over their lives, and they also recognize 231 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: that these people are in control of a lot of money. 232 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: So while I say, and I agree with you that 233 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: the federal government and Joe Baia, nic Gamala Harris and 234 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: the eighteenth Congress is incredibly important, I also would argue 235 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: that on local levels and in state houses, people are 236 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: starting to get a lot more savvy and pay attention. 237 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes me a little more optimistic. 238 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: I just wonder. I guess my feeling is, I do 239 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: believe that more people are waking up. I do believe 240 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: that there is a collective consciousness of raising that has 241 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: happened because I believe that Republicans are overplaying their hand. 242 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: You have the job's decision, you have rollback in states' 243 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: ability to have their gun laws right, like in New 244 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: York City we saw them throw out one hundred year 245 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: old bands. Right, it's all states rights as long as 246 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: it is a state that is run by a Republican. 247 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: If it's a Democrat, then there is no state rights. Right. 248 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: Then then the Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will 249 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: ensure that we're all living in an unsafe environment. My question, 250 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: I guess, is are we too late or is it 251 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: that we are at a time in our politics where 252 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: things need to burn to the ground. Do you know 253 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying that we are We have gone over 254 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: the cliff. And so what happens right in order for 255 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: the next iteration to happen, is that the old one, 256 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: the old systems, the old way of thinking, needs to 257 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: being totally incompletely decimated. So is it that, right? Is 258 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: the hopefulness in that I just never thought in my 259 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: lifetime that I would see the fire right? Yeah? And 260 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: that's where we are. So you know, I think about 261 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: this a lot, and I think this is where the 262 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: two of us we end up in the same location, 263 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: but we sort of come to the location from a 264 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: different different path. I'm more of an institutionalist and maybe 265 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: even an increment lists right, So I don't think that 266 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: it's helpful to burn things to the ground because we 267 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: built some things right and like and also it's like, 268 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: I think if it more of a house, it's like, 269 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: but we're all in the house, so like if the 270 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: house burns to the ground, like we're in the house 271 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: where we actually don't have the luxury of standing outside 272 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: of the house. I'm cautious about like the burning to 273 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: the ground theory because I'm like, no, then we all 274 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: just burn to the ground. And maybe I just don't 275 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: have the political imagination as an American politics professor to 276 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: imagine what that burning to the ground looks. I think 277 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: if we look at sort of history and you know, 278 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: Danny L. Hammer and Barbara Jordan and you know Cecy Abrahms, 279 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: like you know, these three women that I'm kind of 280 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: working on this book about right now, it's ways that 281 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: you can you can uh take a part parts of 282 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: the house room by room, but not the whole time, right, 283 00:16:54,600 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: So for anyone who's ever done it's like, right, well, 284 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think we have the luxury of 285 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: doing a gut reno where it's like we just take 286 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: down the whole house because we already have a second 287 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: house that we can live in. We don't have that luxury. 288 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: So when you do a gut reno and you don't 289 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: have a second house, it's like, well, we all gonna 290 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: live in the living room while we're doing the kitchen, right, 291 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be some growing paints. And I think 292 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: we are in the middle of a gut reno. That's 293 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: what I would argue. We're in the middle of it. 294 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: And so how that new facade looks, how that new 295 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: room looks, is where we're feeling this tension. And you're like, listen, 296 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, if we've already always had this type of style, 297 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: you're essentially I think you're burned to the ground. Is like, 298 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: let's do something totally different. And I agree with that, 299 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: but I'm saying, we got to be in the house 300 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: while we're doing it. So how do we sort of 301 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: figure that out? And I think for me, My strategy 302 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: is to really pay attention to local and state level 303 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: politics to help us get a better handle on federal 304 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: level politics. You know, to pay attention to these judges 305 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: that come from these tiny you know, states or tiny 306 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: courts that all of a sudden make their way up 307 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: and their federal judges all of a sudden. You know, 308 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: like to pay attention to these pipelines. It's like Matt 309 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: Getz didn't come out of nowhere. You know. People who 310 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: become members of Congress oftentimes you know, spend a little 311 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: time in their statehouse. So if you're problematic, let's cut 312 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: you off before you ever get to run for Congress. 313 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: You know, So like paying attention to the seedlings before 314 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: they become mighty oak. You know. Speaking of which, I 315 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on Solomon Pennia, who yes 316 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: to me, is a one poison apple from the poisonous 317 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: orchard that is the Republican Party. Solomon penny Are, folks, 318 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: as as you may be coming to understand, is the 319 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: former GOP candidate for a House seed out of New 320 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: Mexico who lost by a substantial amount, not a little bit, 321 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: but over thirty five hundred votes. Refused refused to to 322 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: seede to his opponent, and then, as reports are coming out, 323 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: has paid four different men as essentially hitmen, to shoot 324 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: up the offices and the homes of his Democratic opponents 325 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: and other Democratic officials within New Mexico. This man who 326 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: had pictures at the January sixth insurrection, he was there 327 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: pictures at Trump rallies, took a page out of Donald 328 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: Trump's book not to seede his loss, regardless of how big, 329 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: and then as shifted to violence. Where is this headed, Christina? 330 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: And how do how do your students right? Because when 331 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: I was a student of political science, you're talking about, 332 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, things that were unlikely to happen, or political 333 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: violence that was the norm in other countries but not 334 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: in the United States. How do you talk about this moment? 335 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: And the fact that I don't think that Solomon Pennia 336 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: is the last Oh absolutely not. I mean, listen, we 337 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: didn't take it seriously when Gabby Giffords was right, right, 338 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: And so the fact that we don't have a persistent, 339 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: full throated denunciation by the Republican Party on a daily 340 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: basis of like, we will not have this in our name, 341 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: we will not have anyone affiliated with us doing this. 342 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: We will not actually ignore this. We are going to 343 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: see it again. And it's frightening and it's frustrating. We 344 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: have a few deadly combinations. One, as you lay it out, 345 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: this is the Donald Trump playbook. I lose, I lose significantly, 346 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: but I refuse to recognize the results. Right. Two, I 347 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: get radicalized by the Internet that tells me that I'm 348 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: a victim and I should actually take what's mine. And 349 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: then three, which is the deadly trifecta, is I also 350 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: have access to guns on guns on guns, and everyone 351 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: says it's okay for me to have guns in my party, 352 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: and I should take pictures with them, you know, like 353 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: how many female Republican candidates have pictures with them and 354 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: their kids around the Christmas tree with big old guns, 355 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: right finger on trigger, which every arms teacher will ever 356 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: tell you never put your finger on the trigger unless 357 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: you were ready to pull it right. So these are 358 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: people who don't even have proper training and don't they 359 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: don't even know how to handle guns. So we have this, 360 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: We have a man who, thank goodness, you know, the 361 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: children who were in these democratic homes, you weren't harmed. 362 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: No one was harmed, but we have Republicans are like, 363 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: that's bad, but they're so afraid to say anything more 364 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: because they don't want gun activists to come after them 365 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: verbally or physically. Right, they want to keep that NRA 366 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: money going. They don't want Donald Trump to target them 367 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: because he still can galvanize people in an Internet space. 368 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: But also there's so many Republicans, going back to my 369 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: earlier point, they have created dragons, and they are desperately 370 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: afraid of what will happen if their own party turns again. 371 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: And this is something we've never seen before. Right, we 372 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: saw Donald Trump insult members of his own party. We 373 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: never saw them It's like consulting people of your other party. 374 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: But there's so many Republicans now who were like, I 375 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: help create this, I don't know how to control it, 376 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: so now I have to tiptown to to around. And 377 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: what it reminds me of Danielle, which is really frightening. 378 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: What so many families that are dealing with across the 379 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: country is that you know, when you have these like 380 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: radicalized sons who get radicalized on the Internet, and you've 381 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: been buying them guns since their fourteenth birthday and then 382 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you realize your son is a 383 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: threat to himself and others, but you're afraid to say 384 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: anything because you're afraid that he'll turn on you. So 385 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: it's like you just sent him to school every day 386 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: and just hope for the best. Like this is what 387 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: we keep seeing around the country with families, and now 388 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: we're seeing it in full own political party. And I 389 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: guess you know. My feeling here is the mainstream media 390 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: fails consistently and connecting the dots and you know, wanting 391 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: to both sides the situation where both sides are not 392 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: playing the same game, right, And to your point about 393 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: Gabby Giffords, and I have brought this up before, you know, 394 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: it was Sarah Palin that had her Darren mccratic opponents 395 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: in literal crosshairs, and it was the shaming of the 396 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: media after Gabby Giffords was killed that then she took 397 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: down that website, right, And so, but if you live 398 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: in a climate now where there is absolutely no shaming, 399 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: where instead they're celebrating the likes of Kyle Rittenhouse, who 400 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: is a murderer who is now a sought after speaker 401 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party right as well as as well 402 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: as the mcclusky's that brandished their weapons on their front 403 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: lawn right during peaceful Black Lives Matter protests during the uprising. 404 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: Is it's just like, I just don't see this going anywhere. 405 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: So you tell me last question for you when we're 406 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: you you painted the picture of this perfect storm, Where 407 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: does it go? And how do we brace ourselves? Well, 408 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: I think that you know a lot of people are like, oh, 409 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: we had to towards civil war, and I don't think 410 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: civil war's gonna look like what we think it looked 411 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: like in the past. You know, I think that we're 412 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: in a version of it. And you know, I don't 413 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: think that we can have like a unifying candidate president 414 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: just because the right wing right now is in such 415 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: a tizzy and such they're under such I would say, 416 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: almost like a trance. You know. It's like they're like 417 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has excavated these locusts who have been there 418 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: and we're kind of seeing like Reagan's dream become a reality. 419 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you mentioned Sarah Palin because like, let's 420 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: not forget you know, so much of this can be 421 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: traced back to twenty ten and the Tea Party and 422 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: John McCain introducing the world to Sarah Palin and how 423 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: her handlers were just like, this is a perfect opportunity. 424 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: She's the perfect vessel to say and do all these 425 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: horrid things that we've just been wanting to say. But like, 426 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: no decent Republican at the time would ever touch it, 427 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, like John McCain would never said those things 428 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: out in public. But here we are, right, and he 429 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: chose her, So he's gonna he's gonna be linked to 430 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: her in the history books. I don't know what the 431 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: next few years looked like because we've been so each 432 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: election it's been on the brink. I was explaining. I 433 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: went birding yesterday with a good friend of mine who's 434 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: a literature professor, and you know, we talked about nature, 435 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: we talked about politics, and I said, you know, politics 436 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: right now feels like when you hear that story of 437 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: parents where you know you're older now, right and your 438 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: parents are like, hey, listen, you know when you were ten, 439 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: we didn't want to tell you, but like we almost 440 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: lost the house, you know, like Dad and I were 441 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: unemployed and you know we were behind in the mortgage, 442 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: and you didn't we wanted to shield you from it, 443 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: but you didn't know. But like we almost had to 444 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: pull you out of your private school, and you know, 445 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: we literally almost had to go live with grandma, right, 446 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: and you had no idea and you were just a 447 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: kid living your life and you know happy. I feel 448 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: like that's the way American democracy is, where it's like 449 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: political scientists and journalists are like, oh my god, every 450 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: election could be our last, and the vaster jury of 451 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: the country has no idea that we're on the precipice. Right, 452 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: don't forget for president cential elections, we've barely got sixty 453 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: percent of the voting eligible population pay attention and participate. 454 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: New York City elections, we barely have twenty five that's 455 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: like hot numbers in New York City for the most 456 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: important mayoral job in the country. Right, it's an international position. 457 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 1: And saying for governors races, you know, our participation is abysmal. Now, 458 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: we can talk about sort of the obstacles and institutional 459 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: barriers in systemic ways that we make it difficult, but 460 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: that being said, we still have a lot of soil 461 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: that we could till. And the reason why I'm not like, 462 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, everything's terrible is because there's still a 463 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: lot of people that can be awakened and there you know, 464 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: anytime you teach young people, you recognize the ability for 465 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: a different possibility. You recognize that they actually can steer 466 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: the ship in a different direction. They will steer the 467 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: ship in a different direction. So we can provide a 468 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: foundation for them so when it is their time to 469 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: do it, they can figure out how to do the 470 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: gut reno and they won't have to do it the 471 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: way we've done it in the past, and they will 472 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: have a different set of eyes and they will come 473 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: up with a different creative vision. We just have to 474 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: invest the time in them so that they know that 475 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: we're not totally nuts and that we haven't given up. 476 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: So I think we're modeling behavior. I think your passion 477 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: about the future and your concern is a different tone 478 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: than mine, but it's still articulating a vision and sort 479 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: of showing them a way of being as citizens in 480 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: this country who care about this country. That is like, 481 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: it's really necessary and important for them to see. You 482 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: know that they can see two black women who are 483 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: very invested in the survival of this nation and the 484 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: people in it. And we end up at the same destination, 485 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: but it's like right, but we'll both ring the alarm 486 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: in different ways and we get to work in different ways. 487 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: And I think that we're giving them a vision and 488 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: options of how they can get to work when it's 489 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, they're starting to realize it is also their 490 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: time to start getting to work. And so that's why 491 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm not doom and gloom, even though I'm very concerned. 492 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: You see, It's why I always bring you on wokay 493 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: f because we all need varied perspectives and recognize that 494 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: we are in a historic moment and have the opportunity 495 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: to have incredible impact as this country reorganizes, reorients itself 496 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: to who it wants to be. Uh. And at the 497 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: same time, you know, your folks, your your anxiousness, your frustration, 498 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: your worry is in fact warranted. Um, but how we 499 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: process it uh maybe different. My friend, doctor Christina Greer, 500 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate you so very much, and you must come 501 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: back throughout the year to calm times. I love spending 502 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: time with you, absolutely do. So anytime you just say 503 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: the word Larry Bird, I'm there. Appreciate you. That is 504 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: it for me today, dear friends, on a woke app 505 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: as always Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 506 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck.