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What went wrong with the Europeans, what went 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.240 right for the US, Whether this tells us anything about 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.080 the future of the Ryder Cup. That kind of stuff 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.360 so plenty to synk our teeth into. And to do that, 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.000 we are trying a new format in this episode. I'm 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.639 going to call up three different people and to ask 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.160 each of them to give me their biggest takeaway from 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.280 the week. Two of these people you've heard from recently 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.280 on this podcast. Shane Ryan, came on in July to 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.440 talk about various things, including his book on the writer 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.760 Cop that he's working on. Shane is a writer for 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.640 Golf Digest and he was at Whistling Straits this week 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:30.720 to cover the tournament. Another voice you'll recognize is Joseph Lemanna, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.880 who's a very smart data analyst. Earlier this month, Joseph 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.560 joined me on the podcast to discuss the strategy of 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.800 team matchplay. But the first guest you'll hear from in 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.079 this episode is Ben Coley. Ben writes for the UK 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.920 based Sportinglife dot com and he is an outstanding writer. 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.760 As Brendan Porath has said, he's delightfully British in his 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.919 prose style, which is a compliment. So I was eager 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.520 to get his biggest takeaway from this very tough week 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.200 for European golf, So let's get right to him. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.079 I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.200 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:07.160 And when I find my. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.000 Ball in a fried egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.560 egg Frida, egg, Frida, egg, Brian egg Frida, egg. 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.560 Bride egg Lie. I'm about ready to run off the 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:15.600 ump course. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.720 All right. So this is less of a big takeaway 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.960 moment and more of an instant reaction because the Ryder 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.280 Cup has just concluded. We've just gotten the final score 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.280 of nineteen to nine. They're probably doing the trophy presentation 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.200 right now. I don't know. The TV is not on, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.480 but I have Ben Coley with me. Ben, First of all, 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:58.080 how you doing? 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:00.960 Yeah? Good, thank you. It's been a long week, you know, 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.960 you know how it is, and the late nights don't 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:05.840 necessarily seem worth it when you when you get a 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.440 pummeling as Europe have had. And I am I'm not 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.120 particularly patriotic person actually, but when it comes to the 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.720 Ryder Cups, I suspect a little bit like we saw 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.960 with Rory McRoy today, albeit obviously on a different level, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:22.200 something switches, some sort of switch and it becomes very important. 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.200 So it's been a chastening few days. But look, I 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.479 think Europe have just been beaten by one of the 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.960 greatest teams in golf history. So I guess we shouldn't 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.040 lose too much sleep over it. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.360 Yeah, so do you find yourself kind of going into 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.800 a ryder cup thinking I'm not going to get emotionally 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.280 involved this time, and then it just happens to you somehow. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.880 Pretty much, although the emotions are different this time, you know, 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.200 there's been a lack of Jeopardy, hasn't there. I think 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.000 from a very early stage, I think most of us 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:54.080 felt that the tide was going to turn significantly back 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.840 in favor of the US this week. And it's just 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.440 a real shame that for me anyway, I'm sure for 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.000 American less so, but it's just a shane that Europe 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.039 never really got a foothold. You know, it was always 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:07.960 going to be hard without the fans there, and to 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:12.279 not in any way do anything to really silence the 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:16.480 American fans or at least give them pause was a shane. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.040 The writing was on the wall from I don't know 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.360 the time I went to bed on Friday. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:21.200 So. 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.160 Maybe even before that, it just felt like, in that 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:29.159 very first session, like it was just the US players 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.240 were in good form. In the European players, you could 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.279 just see it. None of them were playing well except 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:34.160 for the Spaniards. 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.920 That's it. I mean we arrived, we arrived within an 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.919 aging side, four players in their forties and you know, 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.440 just straightforwardly not as good a team as the USA. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.320 And I think when I guess it's a bit simplistic, 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.280 but when you have that, you need them to underperform 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.680 first and foremost, and you need to be absolutely on it. 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.080 And if you look back to Paris, I mean, I 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.560 know there are obviously some big problems in the US camp, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.080 but as well as that, I think it was lost 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.480 a little bit in the aftermath and all the Patrick 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.000 Reid fall and Tiger and feel and and Bryce and 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.240 even that, Europe got everything right and their form players, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.760 you know, really produced and the player who had the 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:12.000 best summer for Europe, Francesco Molinari, went and made history 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.800 for Europe. And that's how much has to go right 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.440 for Europe to win. You know, it felt like that 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.800 was a dominant win. Well, there's a whole new definition 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:23.000 of dominance just just been written this afternoon, and that 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.599 underlines the scale of the challenge for Europe. They have 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.359 to get so much right and the US have to 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.760 get so much wrong. And fortunately for US, over the 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.359 last twenty years, the US have played their part in 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.039 getting things wrong, but I think they've just figured it 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.400 out maybe. 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.359 So so what is your one big takeaway? 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.760 I guess despite all that, my big takeaway is that 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:49.159 Europe has some questions to answer, but that Europe should 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:53.440 not necessarily panic about what might be over the next 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.080 four or five ryder cops, because I think, first and 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:00.440 foremost we shouldn't underestimate home advantage. And although I know, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.160 you know, nineteen nine, you can probably argue that it 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.160 flatters Europe because they'll, you know, for a good while 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.320 today twenty two six appeared to be on the cards, 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.680 and I think there was probably a lack of real 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.400 intent among those later matches, which is normal. But despite 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.880 the scoreline flattering Europe, I think it would be remiss 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.520 to dwell too much on it and to think that 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.680 it means US will go and run up a sequence here, 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.200 because two years is a long time in golf. I 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.840 think you look at that twelve and you think, well, yeah, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.720 the US would probably be very very happy if that's 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.960 the twelve in Italy, but it won't be. You know, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.280 it almost certainly won't be, and we've been in that 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:47.320 situation Europe. You know, when we've won Madina say you 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.720 know that, you kind of think, well, yeah, we'll take 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.640 those twelve again at Glenn Eagles and there was some 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.160 turnover and we were lucky. We got Victor Debuisson just 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.520 happened to be in that eighteen month window where he 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.400 was good enough to play in a Ryder Cup, and 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.360 not only that, where he looked like he was born 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.760 to playing a rde A Cup. And Europe could find 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.440 those players again, right, I mean, I think back to 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.360 Francesco Molnary and I think for the overwhelming majority of 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.840 his career, I have not thought he would be a 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.920 particularly effective match play player. I think he said himself, 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:20.320 he'sn't like it, he's not mean enough. But for that month, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:24.920 those months, he was virtually unbeatable, and I don't think 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.800 you can always plan for that. You can't, so, you know, 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.120 I mean, so much is said about how Europe have 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:35.520 outthought the United States, and you know, with Paul McGinley 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.440 and the use of data and all those things which 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.360 will remain important, but I thought the best thing America 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.240 could do here was just simplify and let their players play. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.199 And I think in having a I mean I love 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.840 what Strika said about all twelve of them having better 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.320 resumes than him, because it just showed what his role 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.640 had to be there. And I think I've gone off 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.160 on a tangent there, but I think the real point 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.160 is that Europe have got some very difficult questions to answer, 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.040 which I'm happy to talk about. But I think I 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.640 think panic would be the wrong way to do it, 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.480 because you know, we have good young players coming through 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:11.400 we have now that added reason to that sort of 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.920 shock to say, look, you guys, aren't Europe aren't better 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.080 at this than USA. They just were for a while, 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.480 and hopefully that will shake us up and we can 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.520 come out fighting in Rome. I'm convinced we'll do that. 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.400 Yeah. Well, So, to put a finer point on the 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.240 argument that you're making here, there are those right now 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.200 who are saying this is the beginning of a new era. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.640 You know, this is the beginning of an era of 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.200 US dominance that we all thought was coming, you know, 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.200 a few years ago, but now it's arrived and Europe 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:42.040 is going to lose the next fifteen Ryder Cups. So 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.320 you would say that's an overreaction. We don't know what 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.240 the landscape is going to look like in two. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.880 Years, Yeah, which is a little bit sitting on the fence, 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.960 and I'll give you some of the problems Europe have got, Like, 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.040 there are problems. I think never more so has the 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.520 European Tour been a feeder tour to the PGA Tour. 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.720 And I think we're probably seeing the end of that 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.040 era of players and some of them talking about it 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.079 in these videos that europe have put out earlier in 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.120 the week, you know, with the number of when they 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.320 got their first cap or whatever, a lot of them 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.760 will say, we play for the European Tour. Well, is 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.000 Victor Hovlin playing for the European Tour. He's never experienced it, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.160 you know, he's come over and won on it because 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.480 he can, but he's not a European Tour player. He's 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.240 a European player and that's a big difference, and it 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.600 is a problem for Europe because as you see, you know, 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.920 if I think about one of maybe the more promising 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.680 young Europeans, a kid called Vincent Norman who's turned pro 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.079 this year, He's played really really well in a few 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.840 European Tour events. Where was he playing last week? Stage 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.880 one corn Ferry Tour qualifying school. There's no question where 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.760 he wants to be if he can choose. And that 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.160 is a problem for Europe because as we lose Poulter, 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.319 which I think we may, as we lose Westwood, which 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:53.040 I think we have, we lose that belief that the 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.719 European Tour means something. And that's a big, big problem, right, 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.360 But US might have their problems too, and I think 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.040 one of them, I'll be honest. One, you know, maybe 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.520 Patrick Reedal does a favor and qualify for the team. Two, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.160 maybe Tiger Woods will captain it. And Tiger could be 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:14.200 a great captain. But I think the dynamic they found 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.960 for this one and maybe they'll they'll let Steve Stricker 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.360 have another go. I think that really helped America to 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.520 not have someone there on the sidelines who is better 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.280 than you and better than you will ever be, you know, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.480 I think that helps. I think we've seen any number 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.400 of players struggle to play with Tiger, but I think 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.760 it could be hard to be captained by it. Obviously, 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.480 he did it in the President's Cup and they won, 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.240 but it was tight and he was still a player, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.960 and it's the President's Cup, right, I think in the 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:43.000 Ryder Cup. That would add a new dimension that would 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.760 not necessarily work. And it's things like that that can 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.880 go wrong, you know, you know, any number of things 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.400 can happen to the players as individuals and the other thing. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.520 I mean, if we're talking about a perfect storm here, 0:11:56.040 --> 0:12:01.040 we've got no Tiger, no read, no European, a big 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:05.520 golf course, and out of sorts European team. Everything went right, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.560 and you know that will happen from time to time. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.560 But no way is the Rider Cup going to turn 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:16.280 into a processional contest where one team is dramatically overshadowing 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.440 the rest. I just don't see that. I think Europe 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:22.600 will remain really competitive in Europe, and especially if they 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.400 can start going to some of the courses which would 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.520 suit the more than Marco Simone might, which is a 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:27.960 bit of a worry. But we'll see about that in 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:28.920 a couple of years, right. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.360 Yeah, I'm not sure anybody knows quite what to expect 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.440 from that course. I think the Americans will probably be 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.520 annoyed by it, based on what some of the European 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.080 tour players have said about it. Lots of blind shots, 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.880 et cetera. In any case, some of the European players 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.600 might be more familiar with it, assuming that the members 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.920 of that team play on the European Tour in twenty 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.800 twenty three, which is not entirely guaranteed as you're saying. 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.320 But you know, I completely agree with you, and I 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.120 think that people forget. You know, you're saying that a 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.199 lot has to go right in order for Europe to win, 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.760 and that may be true. Obviously America has the US 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.120 has the more talented players right now, but I think 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.080 also a lot went wrong for Europe this week. I 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.160 think that there just were an extraordinary number of really 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.480 good players who just were not in good form, and 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.000 so you know that explains the blowout. But you know, 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.360 two years from now, you don't know who's going to 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.520 be on a hot streak. I think we all knew 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:30.080 who Francesco Mullinari was in twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen. You know, 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.200 he was a great player, but he was nowhere near 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.920 the player that he was in twenty eighteen, specifically when 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.000 for a bit there he was like the best player 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.800 in the world. You don't know who on the European 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.679 team is going to emerge that way potentially in twenty 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.439 twenty three, and there are some younger players among the 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.360 Europeans who could all of a sudden kind of level 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.600 up and get to that next level. I look at 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.880 the Hoyguard twins, Rasmus and Nikolai Hoygard. I think I 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:02.480 got the name right there, I hope. So in any case, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.000 those two are are sensational players. They're winning on the 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.440 European two are at a very young age, and they 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.319 have games that you know, sort of resemble their American 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.760 counterparts to a great degree. So if Simone, Marcus Simone 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.120 ends up being a course that suits an American style 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.280 quote unquote American style of play, then that might not 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.600 be too much of a problem for them. Who knows 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.440 what they're going to be doing in twenty twenty three, 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.840 those kids might be, you know, on another level by 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.920 that point. So I think you're right to put out 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.720 that note of caution that two years is a long 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.120 time for younger players to emerge. It's also a long 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.880 time for established players to all of a sudden find 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:41.800 something more. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.600 Exactly that exactly that I mean, Nicola, I just you 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.280 wan to Marcus Simony a few weeks ago. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.760 So there's a nice thing that's right, Yeah, extly there 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:49.240 you go. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.400 Into the future, and I think, I mean, that's the 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.280 obvious thing. Like people will probably turn it around and say, well, okay, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.280 what's your succession plan? You know who? Who are these players? 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.680 And I think that's the point. You don't have to know, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.920 you know, there's no way I know. Okay, he wasn't 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.120 the most important player on the American team by any stretch, 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.160 But Harris English was not a Ryder Cup player had 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.040 this taken place as scheduled. Jordan Speith wasn't a Righter 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.800 Cup player had it taken place as scheduled, right, which 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.000 Fowler might be back on the team in two years, 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.840 don't you know, Let's not assume that we know everything 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.600 because what we learned over the last three days and 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.520 to your point around things going wrong, I mean, ultimately 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.960 Europe needed their best players to perform. And you know, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:28.720 I don't want to get hung up on the Rory thing. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.400 I think people stopped listening to what I say about 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.960 Rory McRoy, to be quite honest with you, But I 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:35.960 think if there are parallels, you look back to Port Rush. 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.680 I've seen Rory like that twice one port Rush, where 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.080 his valiant effort to make the cut was in vain 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.880 on the Friday and he burst into tears. 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:49.200 And today and you're talking specifically about the interview he 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.840 gave after winning his singles match when he was in 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.920 tears and saying, you know, I don't think I did 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.640 enough this time, and this means a lot to me. 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.320 Yeah, somebody on Twitter tells me it wasn't actually crying, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:04.000 but they isn't it. He certainly, he certainly broke down. 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.160 He was overcome with emotion, and so was the impoulter 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.840 at points, probably for different reasons. But Rory, you know, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.040 he's fascinating, isn't he. But we'ld do another podcast maybe. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.480 But at Port Rush in twenty nineteen he realized what 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.800 home meant and all these other things. And although okay, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.240 it's not translated into what I hoped it might, which 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.120 is the Masters and everything else that we demand from him, 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.520 he did return to the top of the sport in 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.000 the six months after that, right, he was languishing, but 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.520 that period, you know, Okay, won the Players that spring, 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.920 but from he went on, he won the FedEx Cup, 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.120 he won a World Golf Championship, and he really reminded 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.480 himself of what he was capable of and maybe in 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.920 two years. I mean, this will have been humiliating for 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.800 Rory McElroy this week to not play every session, to 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.720 contribute one point, and to know that everywhere people like 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.520 me and others are on Twitter saying oh yeah point 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.280 when it doesn't matter Rory McRoy, here we go. You know, 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.840 it's the equivalent of what happened at the Master's last 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:02.840 night November. He'll know that, and it will it will 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.240 spark something and John Rahm and Sergio I hope can 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.600 we can see that again? And you know there was 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.080 talk of a bad relationship there, but I would hope 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.440 this week solved it if it needed solving. And as 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.720 you say that, there are many more players who come through. 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.640 Hopefully Sam Horsefield won't defect. That'd be a problem. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:23.320 In Florida. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.560 He's been in Florida since he was five years old. Yeah, 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.919 worried about that. We've got loads of good players. I 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.080 just they need to find a way to make sure 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.920 the European Tour retains purpose. I think that's the number 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.159 one thing. And one of the things they'll talk about 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.800 is getting another team competition back up and running. We 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:46.000 had the Sevy Trophy. We had the Eurasia Cup and okay, 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:47.880 a lot of the best players didn't play, but Eurasia 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.840 Cup twenty eighteen, Tommy Fleetwood was there, Alex Norrin was there. 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.520 They both played important roles in Paris, and I think 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.200 they've got a feel for it and that would really 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.520 help in somewhere or another. It would help connect them 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.600 because I think there's been a lot said in the 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.760 past out how well europe do connect that sort of 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.439 shared bond of being outsiders on the PGA Tour or 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.920 whatever it may be. They come from very different countries 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.880 and different backgrounds, but that shouldn't be taken for granted. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.600 That things need to happen to make sure that remains. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.560 You know, you need Rory to be taking people like 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.520 Bob McIntyre under his wing on the PGA Tour week 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.040 to week. You know, you need that. You need players 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:23.960 to look out for each other and to form those 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.679 bonds that Americans, and particularly this set of Americans have 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.879 formed in college. You know, I know it's not you 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.600 know now they all love each other because they've won. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.760 I know there's probably more to it there, and there 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.679 certainly is on some levels, but fundamentally, there's a lot 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.040 to be said for that. They've grown up competing against 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.320 them with each other, and Europe won't have that same experience, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.440 so they need to find other ways to bridge that 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.520 gap and to form the bonds that have worked for 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:46.399 the US this time. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.920 Yeah, if the great European players of the future are 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.639 not going to be playing as much on the European Tour, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:57.440 then that has its drawbacks in the sense that one 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.680 of the things that Team Europe had going for it 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:01.760 in the past is that a lot of these players 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.760 knew each other pretty well from extensive experience on the 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.520 European Tour. So perhaps there needs to be a new 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.119 milieu in which they are interacting with each other and 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.439 bonding with each other, though some would argue that that 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.520 is American universities and the PGA Tour. At this point 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.120 for Europe, that's a much more common path for those 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:20.919 players than it has been in the past. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.800 Yeah, it certainly isn't it. I'm sure it will continue 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.280 to be. Certainly when I look down the best amateurs 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.200 coming through for Europe that invariably now in the college 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.560 system in the US. But there are other ways to 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.320 do it, you know that. I think Padrick Harrington doesn't 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.359 need to be criticized for the things he did prior 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.320 to this week, and even picking apart his decisions now 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.080 after a result like that would be futile really, But 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.560 I think they need to just be thinking about that, 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.000