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Speaker 3: Good morning, and welcome to the Breaking Points Emily, how

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Speaker 3: you doing good.

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Speaker 4: We've got two of the most famous tailors to cover

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Speaker 4: on the show today.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Taylor Lorenz and the other one that's Swift

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Speaker 3: Tel Swift Swift. That's right. We were going to lead

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Speaker 3: the show, of course, with the biggest news in the country,

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Speaker 3: which is that Cracker Barrel is going back to its original.

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Speaker 4: Logo and they called the White House and.

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Speaker 3: Called the White House, and we're all happy about this, right,

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Speaker 3: This is a big win for the country.

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Speaker 4: It's a big win for me. Personally, I prefer the

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Speaker 4: old Cracker Brow but I'm not sure that it warn't

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Speaker 4: at the President's attention.

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Speaker 3: But then that got pushed aside because bigger news.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't waste oxygen on Cracker Burrow when Taylor

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Speaker 4: Swift getting.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Swift is getting engaged.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in all, honestly, we have a massive show today.

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Speaker 4: If you look at the bottom bar and you're watching this, yes,

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Speaker 4: We did sort of twist producer Griffin's arm to let

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Speaker 4: us talk about the Taylor Swift engagement because Ryan was

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Speaker 4: checking his dms last night and the people were.

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Speaker 3: People want to know what Emily thinks about Taylor Swift?

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Speaker 3: And your background is in like culture and how this

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Speaker 3: is supposed to be important stuffings about things? What's your

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Speaker 3: what's your take here? We got to get to Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to do that first?

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Speaker 4: Well, let's let's get through the intro to the show.

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Speaker 3: People can just guess it's basically the same show we

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Speaker 4: That's true. Howard Lutton Nick back on the circuit talking

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Speaker 4: about China, talking about university and the university grants, research grants,

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Speaker 4: all of that, and that comes on the heels of

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Speaker 4: the Fed. He's talking about intel very uncertain economic climate,

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Speaker 4: to say the least, So we'll get into updates on that.

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Speaker 4: thinking Donald Trump is in a seriously bad state health wise,

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Speaker 4: the information that we have on that down. Ryan, We're

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Speaker 4: talking about Wesley Bell and Israel's influence in American politics.

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Speaker 4: We have a new nickname for Hakim Jeffreys from Charlemagne.

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Speaker 3: Boy called him akor a pahakor. That's one's going to

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Speaker 3: leave them Mark it hurts.

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Speaker 4: It's brutal. And Ryan, you're also walking us through through

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Speaker 4: some new reporting on money.

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Speaker 3: Yes, uh in Maine. So Graham Platner will be here tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: He's the now Bernie endorsed working class oystermen running for

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking forward to that, and then Taylor the

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Speaker 4: going to be a debate about cell phones in high schools.

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Speaker 3: Well, when my daughter found out that I would be

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Speaker 3: She's like genuinely worried. Now it wasn't before. Now She's like, wow, okay.

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Speaker 4: But once again, that is an argument in she's not.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and Ryan, you have some new reporting on Serbia

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Speaker 4: So thank you MJ. Now, without further further Ado, let's

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Speaker 4: get into the celebration, the nationwide celebration over the Taylor

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Speaker 3: And the first question that people had for you was

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Speaker 4: been following the Taylor Swift Blake Lively feud. It's actually

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Speaker 4: a very interesting story of how tabloid reporters are used

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Speaker 4: to manipulate narratives and how those can have sweeping.

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Speaker 3: You can't trust tabloid reporters.

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Speaker 4: Now, you can't trust the table and you trust you can't.

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Speaker 4: You can't trust Blake Lively either.

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Speaker 4: That's hard for people to wrap their heads around. Can't

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Speaker 4: of how celebrities can weaponize the media to protect their

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Speaker 4: America's sweetheart. I usually say that sarcastically. I think it's

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Speaker 3: Any guys that are upset about that are fooling themselves.

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Speaker 3: That's on the NFL.

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Speaker 4: It was pretty funny. It was not Taylor's fault.

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Speaker 3: If I went to a game and they cut away

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Speaker 3: but not at me. Yeah, that's not my fault. It's

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Speaker 4: Too magnetic. Now, most people were busy. I'm telling you

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Speaker 4: Like she she was huge when I was a teenager.

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Speaker 4: my Instagram last night was full of people who genuinely

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Speaker 4: friends who had just gotten engaged. It was like I'm

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Speaker 3: And the people have been for her engaged, They've been

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Speaker 3: rooting for her for like it's like if the Dallas

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Speaker 3: for decades. No, I mean, but.

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Speaker 3: But that's but that's how miserable her experience has been.

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Speaker 3: She's basically been the Dallas Cowboys of dating.

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Speaker 4: Well, so jeez, this is where it gets. This is

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Speaker 4: written a ton about Taylor Swift over the years, but

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Speaker 4: most people were wishing Taylor Swift well. Most people have

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Speaker 4: been wishing Taylor Swift well. This is not a particularly

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Speaker 4: controversial couple. I think everybody likes the pairing of Taylor

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Speaker 4: Swift and Travis Kelsey. They seem to be very happy together.

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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk, who had some thoughts. Yesterday, even though lots

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Speaker 4: of people in the right saying Taylor happy for you,

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Speaker 4: the President of the United States said that he was

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Speaker 7: But maybe one of the reasons why Taylor Swift has

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Speaker 7: conservatizing them. Taylor Swift might deradicalize herself, engage in reality

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Speaker 7: more and get outside of the abstract clouds. Reject feminism.

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Speaker 7: Submit to your husband, Taylor.

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Speaker 4: losing it right now. But whenever you do the Ephesians

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Speaker 4: five verse, submit to your husband, and don't continue to

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Speaker 4: so Christ. So also, wives should submit to their husbands

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Speaker 4: to go, Ryan, because if you don't complete the verse,

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Speaker 3: but Charlie Kirk read submit your wife and just put

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Speaker 4: What's the message to Travis. I'm sure Charlie would endorse

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Speaker 3: Good note which Gospels have been endorsed by Charlie.

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Speaker 4: You got to keep your track now, But that is

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Speaker 9: Oh, there's a monstrous discussion about defense. I mean, Lockheed

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Speaker 10: At the head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have Sorkin there who's putting this out there

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Speaker 3: Well, if his crony capitalism, make an actual strategic crony

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Speaker 4: The rich and to financialization.

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Speaker 11: I'm really interested in how you personally would see it

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Speaker 9: You mean, like China does it every day?

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Speaker 3: It's not even a different It's not coming for you.

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Speaker 4: I hope so. But it's just also like a ten

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Speaker 3: They would see that, like they would definitely see that

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Speaker 4: So I see this as a really pathetic statement on

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Speaker 4: like I'm not saying my only disagreement, it's authoritarian. I'm

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Speaker 4: just saying that it's like, because we are now so

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Speaker 4: desperate to have companies like Intel that are getting the

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Speaker 4: privileges of incorporation in the United States and all kinds

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Speaker 4: of benefits from the taxpayers, because we can't even have

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Speaker 4: them operating in a like basically moral way. We have

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Speaker 4: to try to force them through executive authority, which is

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Speaker 4: and that's where we are.

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Speaker 3: My disagreement there would be that the Inflation Reduction Act

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Speaker 3: was actual and industrial policy. It's said and they called

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Speaker 3: it this just a satisfy mansion. It was basically, I

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Speaker 3: just think the Clean Energy Bill, and it said, we

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Speaker 3: as a country believe that going forward, we need to

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Speaker 3: move away from fossil fuels and we need to pivot

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Speaker 3: to clean energy, and we need a lot of energy,

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Speaker 3: and so we need to invest in transmission, We need

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Speaker 3: to invest in move you know, moving the energy from

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Speaker 3: where it's produced to where it's then consumed, and we

458
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Speaker 3: need to innovate in how we create that energy. And

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Speaker 3: that was basically uprooted by Trump.

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Speaker 4: But that was also a giant I mean, that bill

461
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Speaker 4: was a hulking mesh too, and some parts of it

462
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Speaker 4: had to be like a lot of the stuff made

463
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Speaker 4: it hard for people who were trying to build factories

464
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Speaker 4: because there's all kinds of like this. There's a I

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Speaker 4: think a pretty legitimate abundance argument about some parts of

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Speaker 4: that bill. But either way, yes, I agree that that

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Speaker 4: was industrial policy, and I think there was a little

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Speaker 4: bit of industrial policy in the One Big Beautiful Bill, and.

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Speaker 3: There is, Yeah, there's attempts at it. Meanwhile, this all

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Speaker 3: goes hand in hand with Trump's continued push to take

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Speaker 3: over the Federal Reserve. Put up a four here. Breaking

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Speaker 3: Voice talked about this earlier this week. This is the

473
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Speaker 3: biggest probably the biggest dudes in the country at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Lisa Cooke is a member of the Board of Governors

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Speaker 3: and Trump wants to not just replace Powell when his

476
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Speaker 3: term is up later this year, but to have a

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Speaker 3: majority of basically pro Trump doves, and in order to

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Speaker 3: do that, he needs to get Lisa Cooke out of

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Speaker 3: the way. Lisa Cook has last night said she's going

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Speaker 3: to sue to keep her position, arguing that you know,

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Speaker 3: Trump doesn't have the power to remove her for policy reasons.

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Speaker 3: We all know that Trump is removing her for policy reasons.

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Speaker 3: That's because he wants to take control of the Federal Reserve.

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Speaker 3: They combed through her records to try to find some

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Speaker 3: justification for that.

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Speaker 4: I asked. I actually reached out to Bill Polti's office

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Speaker 4: yesterday and asked how they stumbled upon the mortgage records

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Speaker 4: Because George shown professor an interesting blog about how in

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Speaker 4: order to do that, you're basically it's not like you're

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Speaker 4: using the federal government to dig up the record. It

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Speaker 4: wasn't as that somebody dropped them in the right.

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Speaker 3: There is a reasonable case to be made that Pulti

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Speaker 3: himself broke the law, and there's privacy records around what

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Speaker 3: executives at the f h A f A are able

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Speaker 3: to look at when it comes to american's personal data.

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Speaker 3: If the FBI, or let's say, you know, Atlanta Police,

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Speaker 3: which is where one of her places was condo, wants

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Speaker 3: to you know, gets a tip on some mortgage fraud,

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Speaker 3: then there are ways that we investigate mortgage fraud. You

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Speaker 3: can do. You can you know, file a subpoena, you

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Speaker 3: know subpoena. You can get a warrant, you can go,

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Speaker 3: you know, look into this stuff. You're like, wait, I

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Speaker 3: don't think I've ever seen a criminal referral from the

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Speaker 3: f HFA before. Yeah, that's odd. I'm sure this is

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Speaker 3: just a run of the mill criminal case going on. Oh,

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Speaker 3: they went fishing through all of Lisa Cook's information. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and they found if people are not familiar, that she

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Speaker 3: bought a place in twenty twenty one and called it

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Speaker 3: her primary residence in Michigan or whatever it was. Two

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Speaker 3: weeks later, bought another one a condo and also called

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Speaker 3: her primary residence, which meant that she got a lower

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Speaker 3: interest rate on one of them than she would have

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Speaker 3: gotten if she would have called it her like vacation condo.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty now twenty twenty one, by the way, last point,

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Speaker 3: interest rates were like zero. So like the difference between

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Speaker 3: why bother what she was gonna pay as a vacation

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Speaker 3: home versus a primary with her income and her like

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Speaker 3: she's gonna get a especially in twenty twenty one, you're

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Speaker 3: getting a two something interest rate no matter what. So

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Speaker 3: did she corruptly save a few hundred dollars a year

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Speaker 3: on one of those mortgages? Probably?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean is it corrupt looks that way?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah it does.

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Speaker 3: What about if it's two hour part parking and you

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Speaker 3: park for four and you know you did, but you

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Speaker 3: don't pay. I mean, that's that's corrupt.

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Speaker 4: It's corrupt. Is corrupt if you sit on if you're

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Speaker 4: a governor on federal reserve board.

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Speaker 3: Like that's like yeah, and if if this emerged any

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Speaker 3: other way, you know what, Hey, she should suffer the

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Speaker 3: consequences of her actions, whatever those would be. But it

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Speaker 3: emerged because he wants to take control of the Fed

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Speaker 3: so that he can personally so that he can do

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Speaker 3: his tariff policy and then monkey with interest rates at

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Speaker 3: the same time to try to balance that out, which

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Speaker 3: you could argue the president should be able to do

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Speaker 3: and we shouldn't have these like technocrats over there rolling this.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's a good point.

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Speaker 3: That's a separate argument.

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Speaker 4: It's obviously true that the administration or that Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: himself wants a full takeover of the Federal Reserve, so

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Speaker 4: this would give him if his nominees are confirmed for

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Speaker 4: out of the seven seats. He has trying to fast

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Speaker 4: track the man who's already been nominated for the third

547
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Speaker 4: seat to get him confirmed quickly, and is mulling right

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Speaker 4: now whether to nominate someone to put in Lisa Cook's

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Speaker 4: place right away, even though this is going to be

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Speaker 4: tied up in the courts, maybe kicked actually to the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court. And actually, Ryan, you'll love this could put

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Speaker 4: Humphrey's executor back in the spotlight because this is like

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Speaker 4: actually the history of Humphrey's executor plating out the question

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Speaker 4: of unitary executive theory that the Trump administration, or the

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Speaker 4: theory that the Trump administration has of what executive power

556
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Speaker 4: should look like, is more in line with Franken Dellan

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Speaker 4: or Roosevelt than it is with basically any other certainly

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Speaker 4: any other Republican president. But that's what the question is.

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Speaker 4: Whether this is truly independent? Is it different from some

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Speaker 4: of the other independent agencies that the Trump administration has

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Speaker 4: been saying should be brought to heel by a president,

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Speaker 4: whether the Republican or Democrat. Is it different because it's

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Speaker 4: the Federal Reserve. That's something that's also been argued in

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Speaker 4: the courts. So this is a really significant move because

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Speaker 4: it is going to test some fundamental questions. And as

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Speaker 4: we look back on the first seven months of the

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Speaker 4: Trump administration seven and a half months of the Trump administration,

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Speaker 4: it is remarkable how many fundamental questions of governance are

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Speaker 4: being kitched to the Supreme Court for foundational constitutional tests.

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Speaker 3: It's going to test my theory of the court. I'm

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Speaker 3: curious what you think will happen, because my theory of

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Speaker 3: the Court has always been that it is a radical,

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Speaker 3: far right wing court. But it has deep ties with

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Speaker 3: the Reagan business wing YEP of the Republican Coalition, and

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Speaker 3: therefore we'll push back on Trump's more populist efforts when

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Speaker 3: it comes to undermining what they see as the integrity

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Speaker 3: of the kind of neoliberal economy. And this goes right

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Speaker 3: to it. You can put up a five markets already.

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Speaker 3: So on the one hand, markets are responding in a

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Speaker 3: it's a frentic way because on the one hand they're like, whoa,

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Speaker 3: this could mean even deeper interest rate cuts, which you know,

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Speaker 3: could mean asset price bubbles, and so therefore we need

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Speaker 3: to buy. On the other hand, it could It looks

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Speaker 3: like Argentina and Turkey models are being applied here in

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Speaker 3: the United States, which means we're going to get runaway inflation.

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Speaker 3: And so the tenure note plummeted, which means interest rates

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Speaker 3: that the US has to pay for for its debt,

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Speaker 3: you know, went up, went up significantly around these inflation concerns.

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Speaker 3: Because the idea is that whether it's Bernie Centers or

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Speaker 3: Trump or whoever, if they control interest rates, then one

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Speaker 3: of the checks on what they can do. The vond

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Speaker 3: market is not as immediate a concern. So if if

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Speaker 3: Trump is doing tariff policy and is destroying the economy.

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Speaker 3: He can just dial down, he can just print a

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Speaker 3: whole lot of money basically to try to like paper

596
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Speaker 3: over literally paper over the problems that his policies are creating.

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Speaker 3: And so then thinking from Wall Street is, well, then

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Speaker 3: they're going to do a lot of these problematic things.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna they're gonna bust all the budgets. In the

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Speaker 3: short term they'll covered up with by printing money. In

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Speaker 3: a long term, you'll get inflation like an Argentina or

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Speaker 3: Turkey or wherever else. Uh, And so that so that

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Speaker 3: that's what's driving the other Wall Street moves. But they're

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Speaker 3: still they're sort of confused. So the idea, my idea

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Speaker 3: of the court would be that their Reagan instincts will

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Speaker 3: take over and be like, we don't actually want this

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Speaker 3: much of a populist revolution to the point where the

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Speaker 3: president is just setting interest rates. What do you what?

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Speaker 3: What's your read on the court? You know that these

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Speaker 3: these jackals better than I do.

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Speaker 4: I think your your reader is correct on that it

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Speaker 4: would be, but it's not. It's not just a Reagan

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Speaker 4: instinct necessarily. It's also I mean, you're looking at full

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Speaker 4: picture of the administration's moves here. I'm curious how the

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Speaker 4: process question plays into this because I referenced earlier the

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Speaker 4: Georgetown law professor Adam Leviton who wrote a blog post

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Speaker 4: that said, quote, the only way anyone would have noticed

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Speaker 4: a problem with Cook's loan application is that Pulty, as

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Speaker 4: head of faha FA, directed Fanny or Fetti to pull

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Speaker 4: Fanny or Freddy to pull her application, and that is

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Speaker 4: unheard of. Does that also factor? And by the way,

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Speaker 4: I sent that to the FAHFA and asked if that

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Speaker 4: was true. Didn't get a response back. But I'm curious

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Speaker 4: if that plays into the broader question of how this

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Speaker 4: played out legally. Is there a legal you know, if

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Speaker 4: you're a cop and you don't read the Miranda rights,

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Speaker 4: you've got a problem in your prosecution. Is there a

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Speaker 4: question of how all of this happened that would also

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Speaker 4: kick in? So somebody, even like Justice Alito, is uncomfortable

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Speaker 4: with the decision. I don't know, but I think your

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Speaker 4: instinct is correct that it would wouldn't necessarily even just

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Speaker 4: be a Reagan instincts so much as a Normy instinct.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: This is discomfort with Yeah right there their NORMI is

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Speaker 3: too yeah right. And they're also probably like, when I

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Speaker 3: bought that boat, what did I put down as my income?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 3: Oh am?

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Speaker 10: I am?

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Speaker 3: I in trouble now too well.

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Speaker 4: And there's this divide that has never been.

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Speaker 3: Clarence Thomas is still in the Supreme Court. Clarence Thomas

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Speaker 3: still there flagrantly corrupt. Oh come on, are you like joking,

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Speaker 3: like the guy you forgot to disclose like enormous amounts

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Speaker 3: of bribes and his like rich friend bought his bought

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Speaker 3: his like mom's house.

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Speaker 4: Like I grew.

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Speaker 13: That was bad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I grew that was bad. I don't think

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Speaker 4: it was like evidence of significant corruption.

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Speaker 3: He was if you're taking gifts, they're all.

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Speaker 4: Vacationing with rich people. And the RV loan, I'll say

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Speaker 4: it was bad. The forgiven RV A loan was that

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Speaker 4: was all bad stuff?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I mean everyone in there's just just

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Speaker 3: just friends. It had nothing to do with the fact

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Speaker 3: that he's a Supreme Court justice. It's very clear as

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Speaker 3: soon as he said that he was broke and was

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Speaker 3: thinking about retiring, and they're like, oh my god, we're

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Speaker 3: going to lose this seat, the money started flowing to him.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the timeline. He wrote a letter to the

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Speaker 3: Congress saying Supreme Court justices aren't paid enough. I can't

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Speaker 3: I can't keep talking Ginny and the RVs that she needs.

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Speaker 4: This was like fifteen years yeah, way back.

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Speaker 3: So he said this to Congressional Republicans, you need to

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Speaker 3: give more money to Supreme Court justice not fair, or

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Speaker 3: I'm going to quit. Basically that was the message that

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Speaker 3: of the letter that he sent out.

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Speaker 4: I think he's probably right about Supreme Court justices, by

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Speaker 4: the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they found another way to pay him. The

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Speaker 3: money just started flowing in all of a sudden, not

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Speaker 3: so he would rule any differently, but so that he

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Speaker 3: would stay on the bench. So anyway, that's again that's

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Speaker 3: a good point.

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Speaker 4: But I think the primary narrative is that he's being

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Speaker 4: bribed by like Harlan Crod ruled differently in the court.

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Speaker 3: And I think he was bribed to stay on the court,

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Speaker 3: will take care of you, because they agreed, right, any

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Speaker 3: whatever RV she wants.

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Speaker 4: Ideological compatriots, right, and the RVY loan was I think

683
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Speaker 4: the last part of it was forgiven something like that.

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Speaker 4: So Anyway, all that is to say, Clarence Thomas actually

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Speaker 4: might be the interesting one on this question, because what

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Speaker 4: I was just about to say is the salience of

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Speaker 4: the unitary executive theory hasn't been strong in the conservative

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Speaker 4: movement for a long time, because you have this group

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Speaker 4: of people who really wants to be critical of FDR,

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Speaker 4: and the line of the conservative movement has been FDR

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Speaker 4: governed like a king. But then they're the same thing

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Speaker 4: with Obama. And then there's this also argument that existed

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Speaker 4: since Nixon that the president should have power over the

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Speaker 4: deep state executive agencies, and those two things are kind

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Speaker 4: of in conflict, and I'm actually curious how Clarence Thomas

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Speaker 4: would rule on that, because there is no consensus among

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Speaker 4: the Reaganite federalist society world on that. MAGA tends to

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Speaker 4: be more FDR obviously more pro governing like FDR than

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Speaker 4: old school Republicans, but at the same time, it's an

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Speaker 4: argument that old school Republicans could get behind too, because

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Speaker 4: some of them went through it with Nixon.

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Speaker 3: Now we were going to talk briefly about this crazy

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Speaker 3: person in the White House talking about how gas is

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Speaker 3: under two dollars in some places, but like, why we're

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Speaker 3: shows getting tight? Let's move on to his cankeles.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, let's say Trump did say gas was below

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Speaker 4: two dollars. Gas buddy says, we're not seeing any stations

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Speaker 4: reported to us blow two dollars account.

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Speaker 3: Of course nobody's seeing that.

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Speaker 4: So yes, anyway, let's move on then to what did

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Speaker 4: you say is cankeles? Cankeles?

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Speaker 3: So is Donald Trump going to die? Well, we're all

713
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Speaker 3: going to die. Is Donald Trump going to die today? Doubtful?

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Speaker 3: No soon?

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Speaker 4: Maybe he's seventy nine years old. And Alex Jones one

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Speaker 4: of his pre eminent supporters in the new media ecosystem.

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Speaker 4: Although Alex Shones is kind of a new media pioneer

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Speaker 4: if you think about it. He's been around, Yeah, exactly,

719
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Speaker 4: it knew me for thirty years. But one of Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump's preeminent backers is deeply concerned actually about the state

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Speaker 4: of Trump's health because of the images because in part

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Speaker 4: of the images that continue rolling out of Trump with

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Speaker 4: bruised hands and very swollen ankles. So this would be

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Speaker 4: one we can roll through some of this. Trump reappeared

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Speaker 4: on Monday after questions had been raised. He reappeared on

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Speaker 4: Monday with the bruises on his hands. Again, we've seen

727
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Speaker 4: sort of splotches of foundation rubbed over the bruises at

728
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Speaker 4: different points too, So sometimes you see the bruising visible

729
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Speaker 4: and then sometimes you see the foundation like right there.

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Speaker 4: If you're listening to this, it's exactly what you think

731
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Speaker 4: it is. You've probably seen the pictures already on your own.

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Speaker 4: But that's what Alex Jens is going to be reacting

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Speaker 4: to here in this clip. And again, Ryan Trump seventy

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Speaker 4: nine years old, probably not surprising to anybody that he

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Speaker 4: might have some health complications. Alex Jones be too.

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Speaker 6: Because you can see him declining faster and faster. It's

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Speaker 6: not super bad yet. I predict Trump is going to

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Speaker 6: have some type of collapse within the next twelve months

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Speaker 6: at the current trajectory. I'm not saying he's going to collapse.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying if he doesn't take his foot off the

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Speaker 6: gas pedal, I guarantee you and I've got stamina way

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Speaker 6: better than most people. If I had Trump's job at

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Speaker 6: fifty one.

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Speaker 3: For a month, I would have a nervous breakdown.

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Speaker 6: I've seen a lot of signs of Trump declining, the

746
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Speaker 6: fear that he's getting sick who knows what's going on.

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Speaker 6: His ankles are giant. That usually means serious heart decline.

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Speaker 6: I mean liver failure too. But his eyes aren't yellow.

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Speaker 3: So he's saying, I.

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Speaker 6: Don't know if I'm doing a good job. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if I'm going to get into heaven. I hear

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Speaker 6: I'm not doing good job. This is the President on

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Speaker 6: stage calling into Fox News in the morning saying this.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so what auctions was just referring to. Let's skip

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Speaker 4: ahead to be five. This is Trump talking about how

756
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Speaker 4: he will ask you whether he will go to heaven

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Speaker 4: in regard to ending the conflict in Ukraine.

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Speaker 14: If I can say seven thousand people a week from

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Speaker 14: being killed, I think that's I want to try and

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Speaker 14: get to heaven if possible. I'm hearing I'm not doing well.

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Speaker 14: I really hit the bottom of the totem poll. If

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Speaker 14: I can get to heaven, this will be one of

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Speaker 14: the reasons.

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Speaker 4: And finally, here's what the White House has said about

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Speaker 4: the bruising and the ankles will start with B. Three.

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Speaker 15: Recent photos of the President have shown minor bruising on

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Speaker 15: the back of his hand. This is consistent with minor

768
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Speaker 15: soft tissue irritation from frequent handshaking and the use of aspirin,

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Speaker 15: which is taken as part of a standard cardiovascular prevention regiment.

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Speaker 15: This is a well known and benign effect of aspirin therapy.

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Speaker 15: And the President remains in excellent health, which I think

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Speaker 15: all of you witness on a daily basis.

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Speaker 4: Here and then we can go ahead and move right

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Speaker 4: onto the next clip about the inkles.

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Speaker 15: In recent weeks, President Trump noted mild swelling in his

776
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Speaker 15: lower legs. In keeping with routine medical care and out

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Speaker 15: of an abundance of caution, this concern was thoroughly evaluated

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Speaker 15: by the White House Medical Unit. The President underwent a

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Speaker 15: comprehensive examination, including diagnostic vascular studies. Bilateral lower extremity venus

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Speaker 15: Doppler ultrasounds were performed and revealed chronic venous insufficiency a

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Speaker 15: B nine in common condition, particularly in individuals over the

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Speaker 15: age of seventy. Importantly, there was no evidence of deep

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Speaker 15: vein thrombosis or arterial disease.

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Speaker 4: So a benign condition in people over the age of seventy.

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Speaker 4: Two things, Ryan, One, I think we've learned it's important

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Speaker 4: to pay attention to this. In the last four years

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Speaker 4: that the executive. I mean, I guess we didn't have

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Speaker 4: to learn it. I don't know if the media actually

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Speaker 4: learned it, but I think we've had a let's just say,

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Speaker 4: a lesson in why it's important or a real world

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Speaker 4: example is they say when you're in elementary school of

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Speaker 4: why these things are important over the last four or

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Speaker 4: five years with Joe Biden. Secondly, Alex Jones is known,

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Speaker 4: especially in the right, for being something of a what's

795
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Speaker 4: the right way to put it, an nostradamus like figure

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Speaker 4: mine Well. Tucker Carlson, for example, will say everything Alex

797
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Speaker 4: Jones claims comes true basically right, like that's the meaning.

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Speaker 3: So if he says something it's people are like, oh,

799
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Speaker 3: they're getting nervous. It's like the opposite of Jim Kramer.

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Speaker 4: It's the opposite of Jim Kremen. He makes predictions. People

801
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Speaker 4: have said, now, you really got to listen to Alex

802
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 4: Jones because he predicted X, Y, and Z.

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Speaker 3: On the left, we have a hard time even understanding that.

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Speaker 3: You guys take him seriously. But he seems to have

805
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Speaker 3: almost had a renaissance or did he never go away?

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Speaker 4: No, I think he did have a run. I think

807
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Speaker 4: the post Sandy Hook aile, he's quite literally sobered up,

808
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Speaker 4: but also just.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's this is for people who didn't

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Speaker 3: follow he said the whole Sandy Hook thing was completely

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Speaker 3: made up. It was almost insane. It was horrible.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But anyway, he does get taken a bit more

814
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Speaker 4: seriously now, and part because people feel like they've looked

815
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 4: back and realized that Alex Jones said things they felt

816
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Speaker 4: were true not that well, that is to say, Ryan

817
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Speaker 4: people are going to take that seriously coming from Alex Jones,

818
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Speaker 4: and people like Maga is going to take it seriously

819
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Speaker 4: coming from Alex Jones. So what do you make of

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Speaker 4: the White House saying benign, Okay, everything's fine.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not I'm not a doctor. I do

822
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Speaker 3: know it's not good when your angles are swelling that

823
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Speaker 3: that's suggestive of yes, circulatory or heart problems because the

824
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Speaker 3: blood's going down it's not coming back up like that's

825
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Speaker 3: I mean, there can be other things that cause swallowing,

826
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Speaker 3: other fluid issues, but in general, that's why they rushed

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Speaker 3: him to get that looked at. Now. Certainly, like he

828
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Speaker 3: is shaking hands with like alpha dudes and alpha women

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Speaker 3: all day law yeah, who, this is their chance to

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Speaker 3: shake the president's hand. They're coming with their a game,

831
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Speaker 3: and I'm sure every time he's like, oh God, oh

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ liked you see my hand? You still had

833
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Speaker 3: to do that. Macron almost like ripped his fingers off.

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Speaker 4: Remember, yeah, but then didn't He almost ripped Macrone's fingers.

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Speaker 3: Right, And so now everybody knows that it's going to

836
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Speaker 3: be like a handshake off.

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Speaker 4: So there's nobody but self to blame. Yes, really well

838
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Speaker 4: you heard here first Rangram not a doctor, but we

839
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Speaker 4: do have some comments from someone also.

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Speaker 3: Not a doctor. Is he a doctor?

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Speaker 4: I think he's let's just work like six six.

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Speaker 16: The President's congestive heartor failure is getting worse. I'm a

843
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 16: home health physical therapist with a doctorate in my field.

844
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Speaker 16: I see congestive heart failure patients on a daily basis.

845
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Speaker 16: The reason I know that he has congestive heart failure

846
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Speaker 16: is because of the swelling in his feet and ankles.

847
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Speaker 16: And the reason I know it's getting worse is because

848
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Speaker 16: he's sitting behind the desk on camera now he lashed

849
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Speaker 16: out against MSNBC for giving him hash about his ankles.

850
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Speaker 16: This is how we know that something is true because

851
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Speaker 16: it gets to Trump. Remember recently where he was talking

852
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Speaker 16: about going to heaven for some fucking reason, as people said,

853
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Speaker 16: I'm not doing very well. I don't think he's talking

854
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Speaker 16: about the media. I think he's talking about the doctors

855
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Speaker 16: who are treating him. The only reason his health has

856
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Speaker 16: been maintained at all is because he has the privilege

857
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Speaker 16: of getting IV diuretics, spirriinalacton, lasix bumex something like that.

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Speaker 16: That's why his hands have been bruised and covered with

859
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Speaker 16: makeup badly.

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Speaker 3: I might add.

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Speaker 16: We know that it's getting worse because he knows he

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Speaker 16: cannot hide the degree of swelling.

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Speaker 3: That's why he's sitting behind the desk.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 16: He also has chronic kidney disease, which is also contributing

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Speaker 16: to the swelling and the feet and ankles. I can't

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Speaker 16: tell you how many times I have seen a patient

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Speaker 16: in their home because they were hospitalized for aki or

869
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Speaker 16: acute kidney injury and the kidney injury was caused by

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Speaker 16: nephrotoxic medications, namely diuretics spirinal actom umex lysis. The President

871
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Speaker 16: is definitely getting sicker, and we know he's not going

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Speaker 16: to change his diet because he's such a fucking idiot.

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Speaker 16: I think he's going to be around for six to

874
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Speaker 16: eight months tops. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

875
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 4: Brian was losing it During's like it's bluing on a

876
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 4: horseshoe theory with Alex Jones.

877
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 3: Basically, my favorite part is I'm a home health aide

878
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: with a doctorate in my field with a dictor wait,

879
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: wait in your field. So he has a PhD and

880
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: something could mean a lot.

881
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a great moment in Friends where.

882
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 3: This is a viral, like we're not just picking any

883
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: random Oh yeah, no, this was very much going everywhere.

884
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: Yes, there's a great moment in Friends where someone asks

885
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 4: Ross is trying to insist that he's a doctor because

886
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 4: he's a PhD in like paleontology, and Rachel's like, yeah, yeah, Ross,

887
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 4: if I'm having a heart attack, what I need is

888
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 4: you there with your fossil brush. That's equivalent what we

889
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 4: just like, at.

890
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: Least that guy works with old dying people. So like,

891
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 3: if he was a friend of mine, I'd be like, yeah,

892
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 3: let me hear your experience in life of like dealing

893
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: with old and dying people, and then.

894
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 4: You'd come on here, and say a source, like a medical.

895
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: Source with a doctor in his field, says to me

896
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: that he has six to eight months.

897
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 4: Listen, Trump was tweeting at like I think he's tweeting

898
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 4: at like one in the morning, just about I'll have

899
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 4: to go back. I want to say it was about

900
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 4: cracker Brough. I think we got an early morning treat

901
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 4: about true social postbark cracker brow Like. The guy sleeps

902
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: five hours then again he then he'll golf eighteen hoole Saturday,

903
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 4: golf eighteen hole Sunday. He seems to eat whatever the

904
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 4: hell he wants. So I don't know if he's in

905
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: great health or horrible health. It could be one of

906
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: the two.

907
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: We know he will not die in his sleep because

908
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: he doesn't sleep. The odds are low, yeah, so jd vance.

909
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's getting ready lasened up. I

910
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: don't know. Trump's life force is attention. So I find

911
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: it very hard to believe that whatever diseases he has

912
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: in his body can overcome the power of that life

913
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: force well throughout, at least until he's no longer president,

914
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: because you know, once he's back and sitting around with

915
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: like real estate guys again, then he could decline quickly,

916
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: like like when somebody leaves the Senate, it's like, uh,

917
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: you know how when old folks get but one of

918
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: one of the spouses dies and the other one dies

919
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: within six months. That's what happens to senators when they

920
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: leave office within six month, within six months, they just

921
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: would because they don't they're not getting that energy, that

922
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: life force anymore, which is the adulation.

923
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 4: You lose your access to the adrina chrome and the

924
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 4: kid's blood when you leave the Senate.

925
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: I've heard people make actual medical arguments that around this,

926
00:47:53,800 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: like life force creating sense that that some that's some

927
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: people in particular are particularly able to like stuck it up,

928
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 3: and Trump is definitely one of them. He's the first

929
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: president in his first term who not only did an age,

930
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: he left office like looking better than he came in.

931
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: So finally, maybe gravity is catching up with him, but

932
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: that gravity has a lot to work against because he

933
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: absolutely loves the spotlight and thrives in it. That like

934
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 3: a lizard on a rock.

935
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 4: Like a lizard on a rock, let's move on to

936
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 4: Apac Shakur. We went from a lizard on a rock

937
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: to Apac Shakur. This is the new nickname that Hakeem

938
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 4: Jefferies has gotten from Charlemagne. We should just take a

939
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 4: look at this clip because describing it doesn't do it justice.

940
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 4: Let's real see one.

941
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 5: I love having the speaker minority speaker haiking Jefferies because

942
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 5: you know, I'm a political nerd, like I love talking.

943
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 17: I don't hate him. I just don't think he stands

944
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 17: for anything. Well, I think that he I call him

945
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 17: apac Well tell me.

946
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 5: We did talk about messaging and I actually went to

947
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 5: the capitol and had a meeting with him and we

948
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 5: talked about messaging and how I was like the frustration

949
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 5: with the party is y'all have to get more gangs,

950
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 5: like stop going by the politics of the late two thousands,

951
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 5: you know, in twenty ten, and you have to like

952
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 5: rise to the occasion.

953
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 4: And the messing. And he did.

954
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 17: I saw him do more afterwards. I came as a puppet.

955
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 17: I came to not doing anything in structuring. Won don't

956
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 17: tell him to do it, and it's similar that, but

957
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 17: I did.

958
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 5: I was very happy that he came on our little

959
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 5: podcast though, because we can like have these conversations and

960
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, a lot of a lot

961
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 5: of people don't press these folks, you know what I mean,

962
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 5: And we do, and we need to do that.

963
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 3: We need to be pressing all of them. For people

964
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 3: not steeped in. There came Jeffrey's law. He loves. He

965
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: loves to rap, like he got fundraisers at major events

966
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: like he will. He will spit bars as the kids say.

967
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 4: It's.

968
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 3: Right, that's so bad, So I think that's going to stick.

969
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 3: It hurts.

970
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 4: It's like when he's when some kid is at their

971
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 4: like middle school talent show. That's what it's like watching

972
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 4: Hakim Jeffries wrap.

973
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm critical of Kim Jeffries.

974
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 4: You give it to him in the wrapping.

975
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not going to like get on a

976
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 3: label or anything, but like I think he's better than

977
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: like a bar mitzvah guy. It's a low bar, but

978
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: I think he's I got, like this is decent. Like

979
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: you know, it's not nothing original. He's just sticking to

980
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 3: the you know, the old beats and it's like nineties

981
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: kind of beats. But you know, I'm a nineties kid,

982
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: so that's true. That's all I need.

983
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 4: Well, this comes out the heels of the d NC

984
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: vote and Ryan and I'm very very curious to get

985
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 4: your breakdown of everything that happens. So C two we

986
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 4: can put up the screen on the screen. This is

987
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 4: the d n C vote. There was an amendment at

988
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 4: the d n C urging the support for a recognition

989
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 4: of pass And as a state and then also ending

990
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 4: all military aid to Israel ran into some trouble. You

991
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 4: may be shocked to learn hit a few snags. Ryan,

992
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 4: tell us what happened.

993
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: And speaking of APAK, Shkor will start with this DMFI.

994
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: Democratic Majority for Israel, which is an offshoot of APAK,

995
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: put out this statement because APAK is too toxic and

996
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 3: democratic party, so they made DMFI. They said, today the

997
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: Democratic Party sent a clear and resounding message by defeating

998
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 3: a reckless and divisive resolution. We stand with the people

999
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 3: of Israel and will continue to do so. For more

1000
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: than seventy five years, the US Israel relationship has been

1001
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 3: strong because it's grounded and shared values on mutual security interests.

1002
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: We cannot forget how we got here. Hamas started this

1003
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 3: war and continues to hold fifty hostages. Passing this resolution

1004
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: would have been a gift to Republicans, further divided our

1005
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: party and rewarded Hamas's brutality because Hamas is very closely

1006
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 3: following the DNC bylaws and platform creation, no doubt, in

1007
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: this critical moment, Democrats stood firm rejected this dangerous effort

1008
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: and sent a message that they remain united in our

1009
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: commitment to israel security and our long standing alliance. And

1010
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 3: so the meeting began with Ken Martin, the new head

1011
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: of the d n C, putting forward a resolution that

1012
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 3: was as milk toast as it could be while still

1013
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 3: being offensive to some pro Israel members of the party.

1014
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: It all it said was that basically, the land of

1015
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: Israel is a place where you know, two peoples have

1016
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: you know, historical historical roots, which is undeniably true. Yet

1017
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: still there is a whole strain of pro Israel argumentation

1018
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 3: that says that Palsitians are made up and didn't don't

1019
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 3: actually exist and didn't even exist before like the nineteen

1020
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 3: seventies or something, even though they're mentioned in like Home

1021
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 3: by like Homer all the way back for court of history.

1022
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 3: It's obviously true. So that that passed, and it had

1023
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 3: you know, some other like not fairly uncontroversial for the

1024
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: DNC things, and that resolution and then it gets to

1025
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: the one that says that there's going to be an

1026
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: arms in bargo in Israel and the Democrats are going

1027
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: to recognize a palace city and state. There was an

1028
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: attempt to amend it to add offensive weapons right and

1029
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: put in some other palatable things to Israel that that

1030
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: was defeated, I think by a combination of the Resolutions

1031
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 3: supporters didn't want to water it down, and the Resolutions

1032
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: opponents didn't want it to be watered down out of

1033
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 3: fear that it might pass if it was watered down then,

1034
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: so that amendment was rejected. So it went straight with

1035
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: an arms embargo, and Democrats voted it down and DMFI

1036
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 3: celebrated so and then when they left the room, all

1037
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 3: the reporters followed them, and the DNC staff was and

1038
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 3: members are just livid, like, why won't you stick around

1039
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: and follow the rest of our proceedings. Why are you

1040
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: so concerned about just this one issue, which I get it,

1041
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: but they're carrying out a genocide and so.

1042
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 4: It's interesting that they couldn't even get it amended, right,

1043
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 4: because that's a Lyssa slot Can set literally right here

1044
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 4: and said she would consider an offensive weapons ban.

1045
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then went on to Colbert and missed the vote,

1046
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 3: but said she would have voted for it, right, Yeah,

1047
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: which anyway, It's thing is insane, like, if you think

1048
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 3: somebody is committing a genocide, why give them any weapons whatsoever?

1049
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 3: And if it's only about civilians, who needs the defensive

1050
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: weapons more than the Palestinians. If you really want to

1051
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 3: protect civilians, wouldn't you send the iron dome the Palestinians.

1052
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: When was the last time anything was fired at Israel?

1053
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 4: It reminds me we were sitting at the DNC last year.

1054
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 4: It just was the most obvious thing in the world

1055
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 4: that the party should allow, just from the Beaver political

1056
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 4: standpoint of this should allow somebody from the Free Palestine

1057
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 4: movement to go up and speak. I mean, they have

1058
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 4: so many speakers throughout the week they have they're just

1059
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 4: doing right, random people, throwing random people out there, and

1060
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 4: they can't give any They won't give an inch.

1061
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: They wanted a two minute, vetted speech by a Palestinian

1062
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: American who serves as a Georgia lawmaker, and they wouldn't

1063
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: allow it. In Saint Louis, Corey Bush, as we know,

1064
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: was ousted by Wesley Bell last cycle Bush is rumored

1065
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 3: to be looking at a rematch. Wesley Bell, as you

1066
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: saw last week, had a town hall where a bunch

1067
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 3: of constituents complained to him about his support for Israel's genocide.

1068
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 3: He told them he would talk to them after he

1069
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 3: dealt with the media. He went and did some interviews

1070
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: with the media. As he was back talking to the media,

1071
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 3: his security then beat up a bunch of constituents. Now

1072
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 3: he would have a new event. It's supposed the public event.

1073
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: If you look, watch see how many people you can

1074
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: count in the audience. If I'm about to show you

1075
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: where he's asked about the enormous amounts of money that

1076
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 3: he has taken, and his defense is quite remarkable. Let's

1077
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: roll Wesley Bell here.

1078
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 18: People want to support this, support what we're doing.

1079
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: Please, Hey, we'll take.

1080
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 4: It because we got to get our message up.

1081
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 18: And the bottom line is is that in our in

1082
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 18: our in our politics, you know that they have they're

1083
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 18: expecting close to a like a couple billion dollars in

1084
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 18: these elections coming out, and so that money is flowing

1085
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 18: everywhere and until we address that issue and give campaign

1086
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 18: finance reforms, if you want representation, that's gonna represent your district.

1087
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Speaker 18: Those people can't just go in there with empty pockets

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Speaker 18: and and just hopes and dreams. We gotta understand there's

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Speaker 18: a game being played. Politics is a game that's being played.

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Speaker 18: And we can sit back and be righteous and say

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00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 18: now we're not gonna do it that way, and we

1092
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 18: can keep losing, and you know what, that's what we've

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Speaker 18: been doing.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 4: We can't just sit back and just.

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Speaker 18: Be like, oh, well, we just go just keep doing

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Speaker 18: what we're doing and now we're not gonna get involved.

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00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 10: No, we can't do that.

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Speaker 18: And so I hear what you're saying, and that's why

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Speaker 18: I stay accessible. I say, I'm gonna come out in

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00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 18: the community. I'm not gonna shy away from tough stuck.

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Speaker 3: So Wesley Bell got more than twelve million dollars from

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00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 3: a pack to defeat Corey Bush. His diagnosis is that

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00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 3: Democrats are not doing better because they are too discerning

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00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: and puritanical about who they will take money from. And

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00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 3: if they would just take more money from more people,

1107
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: Democrats wouldn't be in the bind that that they're in now.

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00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: If he had not taken a penny and not even

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Speaker 3: run for Congress, Saint Louis would still be represented by

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Speaker 3: Corey Bush and her quote unquote empty pockets. So I

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00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 3: don't quite understand what he accomplished in terms of representation

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00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: for Saint Louis by taking the money but setting that aside.

1113
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: So if are democrats too discerning about who they take

1114
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 3: money from, set your assessment.

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00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, clearly. I mean all that cash from Jeffrey Epstein

1116
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 4: and Harvey Weinstein, that was just they were just being careful,

1117
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 4: that's all you can say.

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00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, So thank you to Wesley Bell for being opened

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00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 3: about your willingness to take money from absolutely anybody.

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Speaker 4: Oh, let's not forget Sam Bankment Freed. That was a

1121
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 4: fun one.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's nice. It's nice when people are upfront

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00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: about it. At least you'll take that. So if Corey

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Speaker 3: Bush does run again, that's going to cost a pack

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Speaker 3: another ten fifteen million dollars in Saint Louis. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: maybe Bell wins, maybe he doesn't. He only won by

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00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 3: four percentage points, yeah, or something like that. More or

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Speaker 3: less than that. It was I think it was like

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Speaker 3: four thousand votes or something like that, which.

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Speaker 4: Is actually I think remarkable given how radical compared to

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Speaker 4: the average Democrat Corey Bush.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yes, she was the one of the first,

1133
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Speaker 3: and she's a lead sponsor of the ceasefire resolution like

1134
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: she yeah, she did. She did not back down remotely,

1135
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: and so this was you know, we're you know, two

1136
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Speaker 3: years later, she may be in a better position.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my gosh, especially because I think the climate

1138
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: has changed significantly on.

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Speaker 3: This real question and he's going to have to go

1140
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 3: around continuing to explain how why he's taking all of

1141
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 3: his money and he is going to have to do

1142
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 3: better than that. But you can't do better than that,

1143
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 3: Like that is it? Like that's like, that's that's it.

1144
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 4: It's just a behind the scenes secret Democrats are and

1145
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 4: Republicans are not at all discerning in whose money they take. No,

1146
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 4: that's they will take any more money.

1147
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 3: Like Corey Bush, like the justice Democrats are right now,

1148
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 3: she doesn't have to be discerning because a pack is

1149
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 3: not showing up and offering no money. Although, as I

1150
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 3: reported my book Squad, you know, after AOC one, her

1151
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: campaign got a call when and said, like a pack

1152
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 3: is ready to raise two hundred thousand dollars for you

1153
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: off the bat, one hundred two hundred thousand. Check the

1154
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 3: details in the book and there's a lot more where

1155
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 3: that came from, and we'd love to educate you on

1156
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: the historic relationship between Israel and the United States, and

1157
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 3: we believe so it was even on offer for her,

1158
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 3: she said, no, I'm not doing that, like and and

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01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 3: the campaign was even a little surprised at the brazenness

1160
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 3: of it, like you're kind of I think trained to

1161
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: think it's a little more sophisticated than that.

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely, not absolutely. Yahoo decided to drop by Patrick

1163
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 4: Bett David's show, of course, and so.

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01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: Tell us about who's Patrick Bett David? Like, what's his

1165
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: what's his place in this ecosystem? Do we know?

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Speaker 4: I mean maybe you could lump him in with the

1167
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 4: like podcast bro category of people. Yeah, he's definitely bro coded.

1168
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 4: He has like very lively conversations on his channel.

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Speaker 3: What's Yahoo doing like milk Boys and now this? And

1170
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Speaker 3: then he I mean it's they brought these uh weird

1171
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 3: influencers over to like take video the.

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Speaker 4: Prigger you influence. Yeah, I mean it's exactly what Yah like.

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Speaker 4: There's just from a cynical perspective, I think the Nlkboys

1174
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 4: decision as unseerious as we all know it is, And

1175
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 4: as cynical as we all know it is. That is

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01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 4: exactly what you would want to do if you are

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Speaker 4: trying to prevent losing young right wing men to the

1178
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Speaker 4: anti Israel movements. Like, actually, exactly what you would want

1179
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Speaker 4: to do, and you would also want to go on

1180
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 4: Patrick but David's show, if that's what you're trying to do,

1181
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 4: so I think strategically it's like pretty clever. How do

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Speaker 4: we think it went for him? Let's take a look.

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Speaker 13: Israel owns America. You know, Israel is who makes America

1184
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Speaker 13: do things they want him to do, whether it's through

1185
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 13: APAC you know, whether it's through you know, funding money.

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Speaker 13: You'll typically hear this. This has been overly said the

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Speaker 13: last couple of years in a major way, and there's

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01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 13: a big there's a there's a community of Americans that

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Speaker 13: at this point believe that whatever Israel wants, they make

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Speaker 13: a phone call to America, America better do or else.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely not. It's full of hocum. First of all, do

1193
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 10: you know President Trump sort I've known him for many years. Okay,

1194
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 10: you don't make him do anything. He does what he

1195
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 10: thinks is in America's interests.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: It's a good question, but you've said something about Biden

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Speaker 10: that I should just point out the facts. In fact,

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Speaker 10: President Biden supported US in the beginning of the war,

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01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 10: after this horrific massacre, and he came here and I

1201
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 10: very much appreciate it. But as the war progressed in

1202
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 10: the vilifications of Israel, the distortions on the media began

1203
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 10: to pylon, you know, he began to take a different course.

1204
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Speaker 10: And when we were just two thirds of the way,

1205
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Speaker 10: three fourths of the way in Gaza, I said, we

1206
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Speaker 10: have to go into that last position that they had

1207
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Speaker 10: where they had organized battalions. It's in a city called Rapha,

1208
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Speaker 10: in the southern part of the Gaza strip. And he said,

1209
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 10: don't go there. And he said, if you do go there,

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Speaker 10: I'll smack him. Bargo on you. You know, you're fighting

1211
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 10: a seven five war and all of a sudden you're

1212
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Speaker 10: slapped with an embargo.

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Speaker 3: What do you think? So Biden did say publicly repeatedly,

1214
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Speaker 3: and Miller and others, Matt Miller and others State Department

1215
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 3: spokes and said RAFA is a red line that for

1216
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 3: many reasons it was the US policy was that RAFA

1217
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 3: should is a red line, you do not go into Rafa.

1218
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,959
Speaker 3: Now for the first time we have na whose claim

1219
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 3: of what Biden was willing to say to back up

1220
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Speaker 3: this red line, there will be an embargo. I assume

1221
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 3: he means arms in bargo, not not massive, not the

1222
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 3: mass starvation of Israel. That's barbaric. Nobody should do that. Clearly,

1223
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Speaker 3: he did not do that. Nana who called his bluff

1224
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 3: or he we know he made a bluff of some

1225
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 3: sort because he publicly said it's a red line. So strategically,

1226
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 3: it seems like what who's doing there is trying to

1227
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 3: say I'm with Trump, Biden is with Hamas and so

1228
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 3: if you Patrick but David Viewer are with Trump, then

1229
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 3: you're with me and and further creating adversaries out of Democrats.

1230
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 3: But he which we just talked about Apax Corps, and

1231
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: you know, the the Democratic establishment support of Israel remains

1232
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 3: like rock solid. Nenya, who's adversarial relationship to the Democratic

1233
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 3: Party is remains very strong. It's this it's this one

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01:05:59,160 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 3: way support.

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Speaker 4: Yep. That's a really interesting point because I was gonna say,

1236
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Speaker 4: I mean, Netta Yaho can be credited with solidifying the

1237
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 4: Republican party's magnetic relationship with Israel. It was not always

1238
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 4: like that. If you go back to the Reagan administration,

1239
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 4: there's a lot of support for Israel, but there's not

1240
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 4: this deference, this reflexive deference to Israel, which is actually

1241
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 4: really just the reflexive deference to the coud Uh. And

1242
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 4: that's Yaho now who's led the way on that point.

1243
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 4: And it's been whatever you say about Netta Yaho, and

1244
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 4: you can say a lot of things about natzen Yah,

1245
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 4: who that has been politically cynically a calculation that paid

1246
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 4: off for him. And I think that's what you're seeing

1247
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 4: in the Patrick back David interviews. He's continuing to try

1248
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 4: to make that point that he is the that Israel

1249
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 4: is the renegade actor, that that is the Maverick actor,

1250
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 4: that is the if you're if you're an American who

1251
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 4: wants to see this sort of global elite busted up,

1252
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 4: you're supporting is Ill in this situation against the rest

1253
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 4: of the world and the evil forces of the rest

1254
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 4: of the world, the Islamists that want to take down

1255
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 4: America for American freedom and all of that. He's trying

1256
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 4: the same line out and it's probably the best he's got,

1257
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 4: I mean, unfortunately for him, it's probably the best he's

1258
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 4: got at this point.

1259
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Speaker 3: And while this is going on, the news out of

1260
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Speaker 3: Gaza is that Israel's incursion into Gaza City is continuing,

1261
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 3: and the reporting that we're getting from the ground there

1262
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 3: is that it's horrific, beyond even the description of what

1263
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 3: we've seen before previously when cities have been taken by

1264
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 3: the IDF and destroyed. First they would take the city,

1265
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 3: would they be completely depopulated, and then they would send

1266
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 3: in these combat engineering units that would then detonate block

1267
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 3: house by house, block by block until cities at complete rubble,

1268
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 3: which has now been done to Rafa. That's not what

1269
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 3: they're doing this time. This time they are sending in

1270
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 3: bomb laden robots into populated city blocks and setting the

1271
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 3: explosives off and to the point where you can see

1272
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 3: the explosions from like miles away. You had this like

1273
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 3: IDF linked Mosad, it's called Mosad ocent account saying that

1274
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 3: actually that Hamas was doing this. It's like Massa doesn't

1275
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 3: have robots. First of all, mass doesn't have explosives with

1276
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 3: charges like that, And also why would Hamas be blowing

1277
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 3: up like city blocks filled with people, and so they're

1278
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 3: sending in these robots basically you know, suicide bombers, except

1279
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 3: their robots rather than people, and then and then and

1280
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 3: then moving in, and then clearing, and then and and

1281
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 3: proceeding a pace. You've got close to a million people

1282
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 3: affected by this in and around the Gaza City area

1283
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 3: who are now being pushed further west. They're very nervous

1284
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 3: about going south, they're telling us because if they know

1285
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 3: or they believe that if they go south, like that's it,

1286
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 3: like that Gaza City is over and it'll be it'll

1287
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 3: be completely flat and completely destroyed. Saying there's very little

1288
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 3: hamas resistance in the area in these areas, because what

1289
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 3: are you gonna do, Like there's these robotic bomb laden

1290
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 3: monsters are rolling in and they're just blowing up like

1291
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 3: there's that's there's nothing you can really do as a

1292
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 3: as a resistance force against something like that. Now, this

1293
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 3: is happening in the context of the assassinations of all

1294
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 3: of the journalists, who not all of them, there's you know,

1295
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 3: many are still working, but many of the most prominent

1296
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Speaker 3: journalists in Gaza City were killed over the last several weeks.

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Speaker 3: Conunis we had. You know, five more journalists killed the

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Speaker 3: other day, including a sixth in his tent later and

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Speaker 3: investigative list in a separate attack. So fallout from that

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Speaker 3: attack continues. And that's so let's move to that next

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Speaker 3: because we're learning two just absolutely unbelievable details about this.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's people need to retain their ability

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Speaker 3: to be shocked by this because if you if you're not,

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Speaker 3: then you're losing the moral core, your moral core, and

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01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 3: people want you to become numb to this stuff. And

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01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 3: when things that shock the conscience happen, we should still

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Speaker 3: acknowledge that they're shocking. So it goes back to this.

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Speaker 3: We could place C six here. This is a strike

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Speaker 3: that probably everybody has seen by now. That's the second

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Speaker 3: hit on this second of the double tab Master hospital.

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Speaker 3: And so they struck the hospital at ten am and

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Speaker 3: then at ten seventeen. As you can see in the

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Speaker 3: bottom corner there it says coods ten to seventeen. Ol

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Speaker 3: Kodes is the Arabic name for Jerusalem. So seventeen minutes

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Speaker 3: after the first strike, there are first responders, medics, journalists,

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Speaker 3: a medical student, a civil defense worker who rushed to

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Speaker 3: the scene, trying to save the people who'd been killed,

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Speaker 3: which included the Reuter's cameraman, because they attacked this camera,

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Speaker 3: which we'll talk about in a moment. Seventeen minutes later,

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Speaker 3: they bomb they bomb it again to kill all of

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Speaker 3: those people. So the IDF is now come out with

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Speaker 3: its own explanation for what happened. We'll get into that

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Speaker 3: in a second. What we're learning though, is that the

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Speaker 3: day before this happened, the international doctors working at Naser

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Speaker 3: Hospital were told that the next morning they would have

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Speaker 3: to go to the WHO headquarters, which is thirty minutes away,

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Speaker 3: for an in person gender violence a training. They extremely unusual,

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Speaker 3: and we'll talk and we'll talk about this as a second.

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Speaker 3: But let's see seven here.

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Speaker 12: I was just listening to your reporter saying that Natanyajo says,

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Speaker 12: this is a tragic mishap. This is absolutely untrue. This

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Speaker 12: is strategic and intentional. The foreign aid workers, the foreign

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Speaker 12: doctors that are actually in the hospital were asked to

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Speaker 12: leave before this airstrike, and so that is not a mishap.

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Speaker 12: That is absolutely deliberate. This is not the first time

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Speaker 12: Israel has struck a hospital.

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Speaker 4: You know, you hearing from your contacts on the ground.

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Speaker 13: The foreign doctors working in Nasa Hospital were given the

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Speaker 13: heads up to evacuate Nasa Hospital before striking.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, they were told some arbitrary reason that they had

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Speaker 12: to leave and they weren't allowed to come back until

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Speaker 12: the next day. So this is this is not an accident.

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Speaker 3: Now to travel from Naza Hospital and Kanye's to the

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Speaker 3: who that travel would have to be coordinated with Kogat,

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Speaker 3: which is the Israeli agency that makes sure that they

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Speaker 3: know who's moving where and if they see convoy moving

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Speaker 3: and it is an unapproved convoy, they will strike it

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Speaker 3: with a drone. And so the hospitals always coordinate their movement.

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Speaker 3: Who coordinates this movement with Israel at dropsite We confirmed

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Speaker 3: directly with a person on the ground there that this

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Speaker 3: that what doctor said maybe side there said, did in

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Speaker 3: fact occur. There are another interview was done by I

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Speaker 3: believe it's a nurse. With times of Times of London,

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Speaker 3: we can roll C eight.

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Speaker 19: There are other engo's that do you enter the hospital

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Speaker 19: that were also attending the mandatory meeting, but they don't

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Speaker 19: sleep in the corridors.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so how many of them were you approximately at

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Speaker 3: this mandatory training, and you've already said it's pretty unusual

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Speaker 3: for you to have this sort of mandatory training.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: It was about fifteen of us that were there, and

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Speaker 19: the training was in what Amanda, The training was at

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Speaker 19: the baby how sin it was training for gender based violence?

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Speaker 3: Was it strange to you? Is this normal to receive

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Speaker 3: this type of training?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, And my prior times of volunteering internationally, we usually

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Speaker 19: get all the information prior to our starts. The fact

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Speaker 19: that they're now introducing this gender based violence lecture halfway

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Speaker 19: through my rotation was also interesting is they mandated that

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Speaker 19: one of our other volunteers who's planning to exit tomorrow

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Speaker 19: to also attend, So it was mandated for volunteers who

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Speaker 19: really weren't going to have any physical interaction with patients.

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Speaker 19: Also the fact that we inquired about other ways to

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Speaker 19: attend the lecture remotely and it was completely turned down.

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Speaker 19: So far, us as a group, our NGO have discussed

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Speaker 19: amongst ourselves and we're all in consensus that this was

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Speaker 19: a fishing expedition like this, This didn't seem right, This

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Speaker 19: didn't sit right with any of us.

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Speaker 4: In our gut, we knew something was not right.

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Speaker 19: And so we inquired with our lead coordinator to investigate

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Speaker 19: this with the Delilah Show to give us more answers

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Speaker 19: as to who ordered them to have us leave.

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Speaker 3: So, at a bare minimum, we know that the Israelian

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Speaker 3: military knew that all of the international doctors and nurses

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Speaker 3: were out of nas Or hospital when they attacked the hospital.

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Speaker 3: That's at a minimum. The questions that remain to be

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Speaker 3: answered are who insisted to the who that these nurses

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Speaker 3: and doctors go in person at this time. Why didn't

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Speaker 3: they do this beforehand? Why did they have to do

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Speaker 3: this in person? Like who made that demand? One of

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Speaker 3: the internet as I don't know if she said it

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Speaker 3: in this clip or not. One of the international doctors

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Speaker 3: was leaving the next morning or later that day or something.

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Speaker 3: So it's like and try to get out of it,

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Speaker 3: like I only need this gender based training, Like I'm leaving.

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Speaker 3: They're like, nope, you also must attend every single person

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Speaker 3: because if you're going to do a double tap strike

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Speaker 3: in a hospital, you're going to kill a lot of

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Speaker 3: medical staff because if you hit what they hit the

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Speaker 3: fourth floor right near the intensive care unit. And so

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Speaker 3: one of the doctors who was killed is a he's

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Speaker 3: a resident who's a third year medical student. He rushed

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Speaker 3: to the scene. American, European, Malaysian all you know, these

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Speaker 3: other doctors who were at Nasser Hospital would have rushed

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Speaker 3: to the scene. It was seen a terrible carnage, trying

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Speaker 3: to treat people as quickly as possible. And then when

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Speaker 3: you double tap it, you would have killed those Americans

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Speaker 3: and Europeans and Malaysians or else is there? So at

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Speaker 3: a minimum we know that that was not a risk

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Speaker 3: that they faced with this double tap strike.

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Speaker 4: So then also we have now c ten we can

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Speaker 4: put on the screen. This was the headline in the

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Speaker 4: New York Times just yesterday saying Israel says it attacked

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01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 4: Gaza Hospital to destroy camera placed by Hamas and Ryan.

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Speaker 4: You posted this by saying, compare to this honest and

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Speaker 4: pressed reporting from New York Times as Eric Toler and

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Speaker 4: others with the headline that The New York Times put

1419
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 4: on his article absolute night and day. The journalists find

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Speaker 4: the idea flat out lied. The editors then write a

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Speaker 4: headline that pretends the idea of claim is serious and

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Speaker 4: includes their slenders claim that six of those killed were militants.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and for contacts and credit there. We put up

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Speaker 3: C eleven as well, the first person, the first reporter

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Speaker 3: to observe this, and Eric Toler in his thread credited

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Speaker 3: units to RAWI, who drops that contributor who's done incredible work.

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Speaker 3: He's the guy who is constantly doing investigations into the

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Speaker 3: war crimes committed by Israeli force is using their own

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Speaker 3: TikTok and Instagram and Facebook confessions that they post. What

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Speaker 3: he observed is that on Channel twelve a right wing

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Speaker 3: ocent enthusiasts, as Unice calls him. Here, you know these

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Speaker 3: guys who go on Twitter and look at satellite images

1434
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Speaker 3: and say, oh, look look what I found here.

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Speaker 4: Toller is a beling cat guy.

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Speaker 3: Toller is a former biling cat guy who now does

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Speaker 3: this exact thing ocent for the New York Times. You geolocate,

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Speaker 3: you look at satellite image on this day compared to

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Speaker 3: this day, and you can try to figure out what happens.

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Speaker 3: Is very valuable. It's an incredible skill if you're good

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Speaker 3: at an incredibly dangerous if you're not. We reported earlier,

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Speaker 3: remember that that the US used some ocent advice from

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Speaker 3: amateurs and Yemen and killed dozens of innocent people. So

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Speaker 3: this guy, he claimed on Channel twelve to have identified

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Speaker 3: a Hamas camera. And you know there's a there are

1446
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 3: cranks all over Twitter and all over YouTube and everywhere else.

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Speaker 3: It's it shouldn't be a crime to be a crank.

1448
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Speaker 3: But according to this crank, he was involved with the strike.

1449
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Speaker 3: He was online with them. He's said, he's he's. He

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Speaker 3: is now saying publicly to Israeli media that he was

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Speaker 3: helping to guide the missile, and Israel is still saying

1452
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Speaker 3: it was the second shot was a tank shell. There

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Speaker 3: are photos of a missile approaching the hospital, precision guided missile,

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Speaker 3: and that he was guiding it. He said. He points

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Speaker 3: to this white towel covering the camera, which is his

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01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 3: evidence that it's a hidden camera. Use your use your

1457
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Speaker 3: brain for a second. A black camera sitting out in

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Speaker 3: the sun is going to overheat. You put a white

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Speaker 3: towel over it. If you're Hamas, is that how you

1460
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Speaker 3: hide a camera by putting a white towel over it

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Speaker 3: the fourth floor of a hospital where all the media work.

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Speaker 3: Now what we also know is whose camera this was.

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Speaker 3: This was a Reuter's camera, So we can put up

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Speaker 3: C twelve. So Reuter's cameraman was killed immediately and their

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Speaker 3: camera was struck. And so the IDF then comes out

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Speaker 3: and does not give any explanation for the second half

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Speaker 3: of the double tap, but they say that they're now

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Speaker 3: official story is that they identified a quote hamas camera

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Speaker 3: and moved to eliminated if we can put up the

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Speaker 3: Reuter's headlined, So the Reuter's camera man was killed in

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Speaker 3: this attack on a Reuter's camera. In the article at self,

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Speaker 3: there's a picture of the Reuter's camera that was destroyed

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Speaker 3: with a live view backpack. A live view backpack is

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Speaker 3: only used for broadcasting. You've probably used them maybe back

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Speaker 3: way in the day, like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you see them at any precedent, Yeah right.

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Speaker 3: It's for broadcasting. It is not for communication. It's not

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Speaker 3: it's not for secret communication with militants. You need you

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Speaker 3: need like a broadcast license. You need to be working

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Speaker 3: with a broadcaster like or to with like a YouTube

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Speaker 3: channel or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right. It's not just like a streaming kit.

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Speaker 3: Right, But it's not for communication one to one.

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Speaker 4: It's a broadcast, like the broadcast of the broadcast.

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Speaker 3: Word yeah yeah. And so they have a picture in

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Speaker 3: the Reuters article of the live view backpack that was

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Speaker 3: hit by the shelf. Reuter's headline is initial inquiry says

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Speaker 3: Hamas camera was target of Israeli strike that killed journalists,

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Speaker 3: and says by Reuters interesting, there's no byline, which usually

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Speaker 3: in the newsroom when there's no byline, no whoever was

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Speaker 3: forced to write the story refused to put their name

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Speaker 3: on it. So they killed a Reuter's cameraman and then

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Speaker 3: said he was and then said it was Hamas. They

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Speaker 3: didn't say he was mossed. They said camera was Hamas.

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Speaker 3: And Reuters is willing to call itself Hamas because Israel

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Speaker 3: says so, knowing full well that it was their camera

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Speaker 3: and their cameraman that they attacked. Again, the headline initial

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Speaker 3: Inquiry says Hamas camera was target of Israeli strike that

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Speaker 3: killed journalists. And nowhere in the article do they even

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Speaker 3: say that that's not true. What they do say is

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Speaker 3: that their camera operator was killed and that their camera

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Speaker 3: was hit. But they don't even connect the dots that

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Speaker 3: that's the camera they're referring to. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: more capitulation you could have than to literally call yourself

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Speaker 3: Hamas as Reuters it's like a and to do that

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Speaker 3: in the wake of their colleague being killed. It's truly startling.

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Speaker 3: A Reuters photographer resign in protest over this I saw

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Speaker 3: yesterday or the day before. So, like I said, I

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Speaker 3: think we need to maintain our capacity to be shocked

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Speaker 3: by this stuff, because if this isn't shocking to us,

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Speaker 3: then then and then it just becomes normalized and they

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Speaker 3: won't even bother offering explanations.

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, as he was before, he was going on the

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Speaker 4: Patrick Bett David podcast, Designahoo was posting C nine that

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Speaker 4: Free Press video discussing how they wrote the article. This

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01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 4: is getting really made that Crystal and Sager talked about

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Speaker 4: yesterday because they went after you Crystal and Sager by England.

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Speaker 3: Did you feel left out?

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Speaker 4: Of course I felt left out. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: I like to be part of greup activities, but they

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Speaker 4: went after you guys for questioning the article. And then

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Speaker 4: Natanyahu actually posted in solidarity with the Free Press, basically

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Speaker 4: the video where they talked about the process of developing

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Speaker 4: the article.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he posted facts Matter. And in one of the

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Speaker 3: clips here and this is the one we just had

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Speaker 3: up there, Olivia Ryan Gold is citing the case of

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Speaker 3: most debs and this is what they This is what

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Speaker 3: the Free Press itself put in their video. They write

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Speaker 3: or they quote. The fourteen year old boy was featured

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Speaker 3: in the same CNN story as another child quote suffering

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Speaker 3: from malnourishment scare quotes. The original caption didn't mention that

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Speaker 3: last May he sustained a traumatic head injury amid what

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Speaker 3: s HMS News Agency, a Gaza based outlet, called quote

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Speaker 3: in Israeli shell explosion. So, according to the Free Press,

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Speaker 3: CNN is being unfair to Israel because they said that

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Speaker 3: a fourteen year old boy is suffering from malnourishment without

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Speaker 3: in the caption mentioning that he'd also had part of

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Speaker 3: his skull blown out by an Israeli shell. And Benjamin Nenyah,

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Speaker 3: who is so proud of this reporting from Olivia Ryangold

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Speaker 3: and the Free Press that he shared it with facts matter.

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Speaker 4: So in that editorial, one of the things the Free

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01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 4: Press cited in defense of that article was that Washington

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Speaker 4: Post other outlets added corrections, which really weren't corrections so

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Speaker 4: much as they were updates to the stories.

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Speaker 3: Update the fourteen year old suffering from malnourishment also has

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Speaker 3: a traumatic brain injury, and that's exactly, okay, thank you,

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Speaker 3: that's useful information.

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Speaker 4: That is fine, right, And that's where they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's where it's like, yep, this is absolutely correct. That

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Speaker 4: the context is important, and in some cases the context

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01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 4: is even more devastating to the narrative that you know,

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Speaker 4: this is all okay, that this isn't you know, some

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Speaker 4: deeply serious concern because like when you when you zoom

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Speaker 4: into the con to the context, you realize, oh, this

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Speaker 4: kid had his head blowed off, right, or you realize

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Speaker 4: this is a condition because someone was malnourished in the womb.

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Speaker 4: This is a condition because someone like the nobody objects

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Speaker 4: to the context, and I actually think that's the Washington

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Speaker 4: Post and whoever else. Updating their story proves that nobody objects.

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Speaker 3: To the full context, right, And nobody would object to

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Speaker 3: this reporting from the Free Press if they didn't follow

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Speaker 3: it immediately with Israel's opponents are saying that these are

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Speaker 3: the average representatives of people in Gaza, and they're using

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Speaker 3: them to tell you that there's a fan and when

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Speaker 3: in fact, there is not a famine there. Certainly there're

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Speaker 3: suffering in God's but there's no famine. So they are

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Speaker 3: very clear about the purpose of their context that they're adding.

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Speaker 3: They think that what they're doing is complicating the question

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Speaker 3: and letting people know that actually it's not as bad

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Speaker 3: as people want you to believe. That's what they're saying.

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Speaker 3: The context they're adding does not actually make their case.

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Speaker 7: And so.

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Speaker 3: If they're actually genuinely curious about why people are objecting

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Speaker 3: to their reporting, that's why. It's because their conclusion, which

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Speaker 3: clearly they started with before they did the reporting, Their

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Speaker 3: conclusion is incorrect. Also, they keep citing cerebral palsy and

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Speaker 3: all these other maladies that are not fatal in children.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that they're dying with these pre existing

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Speaker 3: conditions is not the point that you think it is.

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Speaker 3: The point is too treat these conditions, not to malnourish

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Speaker 3: them such that they die with them, and then point

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Speaker 3: to those conditions as some type of excuse for Israel

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Speaker 3: to continue with its genocide