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Speaker 1: a big play by Rodrigo. Welcome to the Twentyman in

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Speaker 1: the Huddle podcast presented by Microsoft. I am Tim Twentyman.

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Speaker 1: He is PJ. Clark, and we are in Ford Field.

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Speaker 1: You can see it behind us, and we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about a win, peach, and that's good and better than that,

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Speaker 1: there is nothing better than that. A big thirty six,

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Speaker 1: That puts the Lions now one on one in the

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Speaker 1: year they get back in the five hundred mark, And

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to like about this game, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm on both sides of the ball. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: thought they got after Carson Wentz. You know, obviously Atan

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Speaker 1: And look Aidan Hutchinson. I think he had six tackles.

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