WEBVTT - Its The Growth For Me ( Angie Martinez interview with Charlamagne) 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:04.720 I'm a homegrown that knows a little bit about everything 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:10.840 and everybody. You don't know if you don't lie about that. Right, Hey, y'all, 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.920 what's up. It's Lauren l Rosa and this is the 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:17.200 Latest with Laura L Rosa. This is your daily dig 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.439 on all things pop culture, entertainment, news, and all of 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:25.040 the conversations that shake the room. So checking in behind 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.000 the scenes to the grind. We are a few days 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:31.680 out from Christmas, and uh, I mean, I feel great. 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:33.519 I haven't had to wake up at four o'clock in 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.239 the morning because the Breakfast Club is supposed to be 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.559 on a vacation, but we've been working a little bit. 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.000 We got some special things coming that we will talk 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:45.519 about soon here on the podcast and reaction, So make 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.080 sure you guys are following, you know, the Breakfast Club 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.159 over on Socials because some things will be releasing. But 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.840 I'm excited to get home to my family after we 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:59.360 record this episode. I'll actually be driving to wear me. 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.000 My family will be celebrating Christmas and you know, just 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.120 be home, Just be home, be chilling. I'm gonna start cooking. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.440 I might start cooking tonight actually, and then you know, 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.160 and tomorrow morning. We'll be cooking as well too, But 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.280 I'm excited to be with the family. Christmas is the 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.120 holiday where like all of my family gets together. So 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.120 for Thanksgiving it's more of like immediate family, and my 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.959 immediate family is kind of small. It's really just me, 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.880 my brother, my grandma, and my niece. But my larger 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:34.240 family is pretty large. My grandmom's mom had fifteen children, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.640 not all alive anymore, but you can imagine how many 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:37.920 kids they have, so I have a lot of cousins 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.680 and uncles and all of that. So on Christmas Day 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.120 we'll all get together, and I'm just excited to be 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.960 around family and to not be in nobody business but 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.600 my own in the mac and cheese's business. That's it. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.160 I'm really excited for that. So that is where we're headed. 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.120 But in the meantime and between time, let's get on 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:03.160 into the latest. So one of the releases. I've been, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.720 you know, watching a lot of interviews and just television 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.560 in general these last couple days because I've had the 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:15.720 time Charlemagne sat down with Angie Martinez and when he 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.520 had mentioned to me that he was doing Angie Martinez 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:22.400 Is in Real Life podcast, I was really excited just 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:29.079 because Angie Martinez on her show on the radio's Fire. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.160 Y'all know, Angie Martinez, icon legend, gets to the things 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:34.480 that a lot of people can't get to, and she 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.720 does it in such a caring and like wholesome way. 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.360 I feel like talking to her feels like a hug, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.280 and that is one of my biggest goals to be 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:45.359 able to make people feel that way. But I do 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.160 feel like watching her on her podcast is I mean, 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.280 it's like Angie Martinez two point oh, honestly four point zero. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.080 I think Angie Martinez two point oh is like it 0:02:56.120 --> 0:03:00.720 doesn't even do justice for the conversation she's able to 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.560 have with her in real life podcast. So her in 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.320 real life podcast was birth after she got into a 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:11.720 very serious car accident, you know, one where you know, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.040 it was really bad for her. She was going through 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.760 her own things with you know, life and death and 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.480 you know, just recovering from how serious the accident was 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.200 at the time, and it made her start having really 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.919 serious conversations just about you know, like life and what 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.480 life has been and where it's going and you know, 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.320 where it could have stopped and things like that. And 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.320 she's taken that into her conversations with her talent on 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:38.600 the podcast. So I mean and I mean it's Injibytenes, 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.440 so she's had everybody but her and Charlamage sat down 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.440 for an interview and they talked about a lot of things. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.240 They talked about, you know, just career, where he's gone, 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:54.160 and the podcast conversation itself is centered around, not center around, 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.920 but you know, this all comes in time and around 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.160 the time of you know, the two hundred million dollar 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.320 I Heart Media deal announcement that he did, and just 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.360 you know some pres that he's doing. Just talking about 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.200 where he's been, where he's going, and where he is 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.320 right now. So this was a great conversation. Wanted to 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:15.720 dive into it. So one of the things that Charlemagne 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:20.120 and Angie Martinez talked about that I was like, man, 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.760 this is such a good conversation to hear both of 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:27.120 them discussed because both of them come from such a 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.760 different time in media, such a different time in radio, 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.360 a different time in interview, a different time in celebrity. 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.440 And it's like, it's crazy because everyone that they talked 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:43.520 about during this interview, both of them have experienced these 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.919 people personally, but in very different ways. So they start 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.880 the conversation, I start, but I mean, I guess this 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.599 is more towards the beginning of the conversation. I mean 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.719 they've talked about they talk about, you know, Charlemagne and 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.719 like his marriage and being a good husband and just 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.720 all those things. In one of the things that I 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.479 thought was interesting, Charlemagne had mentioned that he went to 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.680 Aguila for his fortieth birthday, which was crazy to me 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:11.480 because I remember being at TMZ and Van talking about 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.080 going to Anguila to celebrate Charlamagn's birthday. But I didn't 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.360 know Charlamagne at a time, but he talked about being 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.080 in a Guila for his fortieth birthday, and he talked about, 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.840 you know, at that time, he had begun to make 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.760 that like switch of like I want my life to 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.919 be this certain way, so everything I do has to 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.120 align with that. Everything I discussed the people I bring 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:39.560 it to my life, the decisions I'm making, And it's weird, 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:44.039 there's like this this this thing that I always have 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.600 a really hard time with putting into words to other people, 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.640 but it's like something that you feel. So he talked 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.920 about his wife had made this like college video of 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.240 all of his friends talking just about him and you know, 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.560 celebrating him for his birthday, and he said he bawled 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.599 crime after she played the video. And when I heard this, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.320 I was like, Okay, talk about alignment and talk about 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.800 being because I'm always worried, Like, okay, am I as 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.599 in tune with my faith and my journey and is 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.000 my like passageway to hear God as clear as it 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.960 should be because there's a lot going on. There's a 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.000 lot of noise in what I do. And when I 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.840 heard this, I'm like, oh, no, girl, you were right 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:26.680 on track when he talked about you know, seeing it 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.800 clearly and hearing it clearly, Like Okay, if this is 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.520 the life you say you want to live, here's what 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.120 you should be doing. And there's like this refresh of 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.720 like new life and new energy and like basically you're 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.440 on track. I've felt that so many times in so 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.720 many different ways, but it's like such a hard thing 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.400 to describe to people. So when I heard that, and 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.640 then you know, you hear Angie Martinez as well, like 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.280 just talking about you know, some of her life experience too, 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.719 and just you know, like I think for people who 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:59.279 have reached a certain level of success, there's always those 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.680 like epiphany more moments. But I think for people who 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:06.160 reach a certain level of success, and it's not just 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.479 like outwards success. So it's not just about like the 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.080 money that you're making, the job that you receive, but 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:16.760 how successful, how successful have you been with actually changing 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:18.680 the person that you show up as in the midst 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.760 of it, right, And I think Angie Martinez has grown 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.440 in front of our eyes, Charlomagne has grown in front 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.680 of so many people from their generation and their time 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.440 have grown in front of our eyes. And you know, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.920 as I'm doing things and figuring things out, like I 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.560 want to grow as well. So hearing just that conversation 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.240 and journal, I was like, Okay, this is the confirmation that, like, girl, 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.160 you're not crazy, Like you know, the things that you're hearing, 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.320 the things that you're feeling, are very in line and 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.640 intune what your purpose and what God has happening for 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.040 you and where he sees you and how he sees 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.520 you and not even sees you, but how He's designed 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.160 you to be and to walk on this earth like 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.840 your in alignment. Just stay step fast and keep listening, 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:02.240 like sometimes you push back, keep listen and then the 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.040 conversation came up about Wendy Williams because Angie Martinez was 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:10.160 talking to him about, you know, just things and times 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.679 in his past that he'd regretted. Right, let's take a listen. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.880 I used to work with Wendy. Wendy was the one. 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.080 Because I got with Wendy, I was really compromising myself 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.520 for a position, like I was really the pit bull, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.040 like purposely that was my job. And she would be 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.680 like get get, get them. I want you to get 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.320 that person. You know, she wasn't enough, she wasn't doing 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.320 enough well. She was trying to make the transition. She 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:35.920 was trying to make a transition to television. Oh, she 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.720 was trying to do good good, absolutely, And it was 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.480 just it would be sometimes where like my conscience would 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.439 be like why, like and one I always remember is 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.280 Kelly Rowling, Like she was like get up, and I'm 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:52.559 like Kelly Rolling, like why, Like what did Kelly Rolling do? 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.600 What did you do? I think I came up with 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.360 this angle, like we we both know how it feels 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.240 to be sidekicks. So Homo Sorde kicked it, and then 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.440 she decided to kick the Beyonce. It's great, stupid disrespectful 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.920 shit for no reason. And I remember when Kelly wanted 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.040 to do breakfast club, La La hit me like, you know, yo, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:10.800 Kelly wants to do breakfast club. But she was like 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.840 when she met you with Wendy, it was bullshit basically, 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.679 So immediately I apologized to her when before she even 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.640 walked to the studio and when we got on air, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.560 And I wrote about that story in my book because 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.240 I always tell people, don't compromise yourself for a position, 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.880 Like what the hell was I attacking Kelly rolling for? 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.200 Like just because I was like, the. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.960 Nicest, She's just like the purest little soul. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.400 And I still don't even know what the issue was 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.080 was she was she gracious to your apology? Oh yeah, absolutely, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.280 That's what I love Kelly. Me and Kelly like he's 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:43.960 super locked it. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:44.320 So. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.400 Charlottage worked with Wendy Williams on her radio show The 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.760 Wendy Williams Experience from about two thousand and six two 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:59.960 thousand and eight with BLS WBLS NOW very different times 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.400 and you know his life, and he talked a bit 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:10.120 about to you know, just understanding people differently in different 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.800 eras of that life, in different eras of their life. 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.520 So in that era he was working with Windy Williams, 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.360 He's living with her and Kevin Hunter Senior, who was 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.920 Wendy Williams husband at the time, who she you know, 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.679 went on to divorce. That's also who Wendy Williams had 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:27.520 her son with Kevin Hunter Junior. But you know, I 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.600 think at that point he you know, he had been fired. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.960 He was, you know, doing what he could do to 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:36.559 figure things out, and no excuse at all, because I 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.280 think the whole like compromising yourself for a position thing 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.959 that's always like, that's always something that when you are 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.640 a person really trying to grow and figure things out, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.400 you think about. I know, I think about that all 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.800 the time, like, you know, when I'm saying yes to 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.240 things or saying no to things, or you know, when 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.840 I'm choosing not to be involved with certain people or whatever. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.960 Like a lot of times, I always and I consider 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.480 it a different way because I feel like I've always 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.000 been a person that like I'm not really like there's 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.200 not much I'm gonna compromise at all, Like I really 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.000 don't know how to be that way. I can be 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:21.120 very cordial, I can be silent, but I can't like it. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:27.840 I can only live in like this like created environment 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.200 or space or whatever, so that things just flow the 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.760 way that they're supposed to. But so long, eventually the 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.560 nurturing I care about you, I'm want everybody to win. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.040 Whatever in me is like, Okay, I can't do this anymore, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.480 And I think for me, I've always thought about it 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.679 like that, Like sometimes I feel like that comes back 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.480 to bite me in the butt, like caring about people 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:51.200 in a way that sometimes they don't care about me, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:57.400 or just being very considerate of people in a way 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.240 that they're not considered of me. I feel like it's 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:00.719 the opposite of me, Like I've never been a person 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.640 who's just like nasty and like could like like I'm 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.319 not coming for you unless you send for me. And 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:07.760 every now and then I could be a little shady, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.840 like I got my moments, but if I say something 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.559 and I feel a way, I stand on at least 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.640 in that moment. But even in those times, I've always 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:19.920 thought about like, Okay, your thought process and your opinion 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.160 of people change, Like me as a person, I've changed 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.760 today so much as I was last week, so much 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:30.720 as I was last month. So when I'm publicly given 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.480 opinions about people or reporting on people, Like I never 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.600 wanted to come off as if I'm trying to just 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.960 be nasty to a person or like anything like that, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.880 because it's like I may feel a way in a 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.319 moment or feel a way based on certain things that's 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.080 in a you know, the media or the cycle, but 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.240 like you get to really know these people, or even 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:49.800 if not, even if you never really get to know 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.200 these people, you just move on with life. You experience things, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.600 you may get put in the same positions, and literally 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:01.719 your thought process changes. So even if before that it 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.959 wasn't true, it's very true, and it's very different now, 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.160 where like I'm definitely one of them people where I'm like, 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:15.040 I tried my hardest to be fair. I try my 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.240 hardest to be fair. The people don't be thinking it's 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.960 a thing. There's so many people who think I'm just 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.120 like messy, and I'm like, that's not I tried so 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.280 hard to be fair because I think about how much 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.240 things I've messed up, how many crazy things I've done, 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.640 said or whatever, And I'm like, if someone was reporting 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.120 on me, the minimum I will want is for them 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.040 to be fair and for them to hear me out, 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.800 so heard them right, But I think it was in 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.680 hearing that and looking back on because you guys know 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:48.400 Whndy Williams came on to the Breakfast Club and like, 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.920 you know the first interview that Wendy Williams did where 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.160 she was breaking down crying just about her situation and 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:56.679 her guardianship. When we could take a listen to a 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:01.440 little bit of that, that interview, Sky pocketed everything for 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.520 Wendy in her fight against her conservatorship. You know, I 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.800 think I remember after we recorded the interview and he 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.320 asked me, like you think this is gonna be everywhere? 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.360 I was like, are you crazy? Like this is literally 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:18.640 going to stop the world tomorrow, because we taped it 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.120 one day, it was going to air the next morning, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.560 and it did just that. But I also remember having 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:28.360 a conversation with Charlemagne when he had first said to me, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:34.240 way before we did any interview. Charlamagne had said, you know, 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.240 Wendy Williams and I have been talking. She'd been reaching 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.960 out whatever, Like he said it so casually, and I 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.680 was like, wait, you and Wendy have been having conversation 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:47.640 and he was like, yeah, you know, she been calling me, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:49.520 this is what's going on, blah blah blah blah, And 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:53.200 I'm like, why do you say anything, like do you 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.040 know that the world would literally like be on pins 0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:00.520 and needles to know what you guys relationship was like today, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:04.160 because even when Windy Williams did her documentary or when 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.080 whoever did it, because I know she's fighting that documentary 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.920 in court right with A and E in lifetime. Even 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.960 when that documentary happened, there was a lot of people 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.400 who were like trying to figure out if there was 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.520 any involvement from Charlemagne and why that part of her 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:24.080 life wasn't depicted more with him more active, and because 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.120 he's such a big name down and people wanted to 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.200 hear from him and just see his like take on 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:32.920 the story, which didn't happen. So I remember saying to him, like, yo, 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.400 people would love to hear that, but he was very 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.320 set on like, nah, that's not for the people like 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.560 she checking in. You know, I'm in a good place mentally. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.560 I'm just making sure she's straight. And at that point 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.120 he wasn't even doing much for her. It was just 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:51.640 like literally answering the phone. And then there was one 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.760 day he mentioned something about having a conversation with her. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.520 So this was I wasn't on air at this point. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.520 I was just producing the show, so I was behind 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:04.120 the scenes and Jess was on air. And in casual 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:08.080 conversation that day while we were from in the show, 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.160 Charlemagne had mentioned to me that it had spoken to 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.480 Wendy Williams, and I was asking him because there were 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.320 reports about, you know, just her health and all these things, 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.160 and I'm like, you know, do you think she is 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.360 well enough to be able to get on radio or 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.120 do anything in that space, podcast, whatever the case may be. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.080 He was like, yeah, I think she's you know, ready, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.000 And I said, can we talk about that on air? Well, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:35.040 if I produce this segment and throw the oop, you 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.760 know where Jess is giving you a platform to be 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.720 able to say that, not a platform, but like a 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.280 segue to be able to say that, will you mention 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.000 that on air? Like are you comfortable with that? And 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.480 I was always very sensitive to it because, you know, 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.120 I understand the dynamic, especially coming from like a TMZ, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:55.600 where there's a trauma in in this, like there's a there. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.400 People don't understand that there can be a trauma in 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.320 working in the industry because this industry is so glamorized. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.399 But I got it. I understood it. So when he 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.359 would have certain hesitations, I would get it. But I 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.080 remember asking him, like, you know, you're okay we're talking 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.720 about that, and he was like, yeah, I mean I 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.240 guess like people don't care about that. I'm like, yeah, 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:15.640 let's list. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.320 I spoke to Windy over the holidays. He did, Yeah, 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.440 what happened? She was seemed perfectly fine to me, Like 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:23.840 he's like, she could do radio tomorrow. She wanted to 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.800 hein Nothing In facitated about Wendy Williams. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:27.919 How was her energy? 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.200 How was she sounded like Wendy Williams trying to tell 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:32.880 you like there was there was? She didn't miss skip 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:34.840 a beat. She actually said to me when she called me, 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:36.919 she was like, why are you answering the phone? Like 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.080 we just we just spoke yesterday, We just talked last week. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:42.639 She wanted me to be more excited. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.399 Nothing inpacitated about windows. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.280 So that clip picked up everywhere. I mean, People Magazine, 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:53.240 page six, Shade Room, Hollywood, un Lock, like black white, indifferent, 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.000 whatever media out you could think about naturally picked up 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.919 that clip, right, And it's because of the dynamic in 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:03.480 how I of a voice Charlemagne has become, but how 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.960 iconic of a voice Wendy Williams has been for so 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:11.360 many years. So to hear him talk about this, I'm like, Okay, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.359 here's where a lot of the trauma is coming from. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:19.879 And you know, people ask me all the time. We 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.760 haven't really leaned into the Wendy Williams stuff a lot 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:23.960 at all. I know, I talk about it here on 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.520 the podcast sometimes and I bring you guys updates, and 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.560 I'm very honest when I bring you guys updates and 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:29.920 letting you know, like, Okay, I'll reach out to the 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.120 attorneys that I could reach out to. Haven't heard anything 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:39.600 back my correspondence with Wendy Williams team and even her. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.399 I haven't talked to Wendy Williams in months, like a 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.080 long time, but just her attorneys in general. What has 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:49.560 been you know, scarce to none because things are just 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:53.320 different behind the scenes now. And he got into that 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:54.600 a bit. Let's take a listen. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.760 How do you feel about forgiveness for that type of stuff? 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.639 Like you said, you cut people are fast, right, but 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.199 like even in that moment, even in the moment with 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.919 Wendy and her saying get and you haven't apologized to 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:10.440 Kelly and just learning from that, and she forgived you 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.879 right clearly. I don't know, do you forgive yourself or 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.160 do you forgive other people or do you just kind 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.320 of cut people out like I would even imagine with 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.160 Wendy there had to be some type of I don't 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:23.960 know it is. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.719 But you know, the thing with is like like earlier 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.000 this year, you know, we were helping her right because 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.879 she was in a bad situation. But then you know, 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.320 you see some things that remind you of that old 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:39.720 energy and you're like, I don't really want that in 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.920 my life. No, lover, wish you the best, you know, 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.600 glad we was able to connect her with certain people. 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.520 Then when you see even how she might have treated 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.439 to certain people you connected it with, you know, so 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.920 it's just like let me you know, I wish you 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.679 the best. No want the best for her, But that 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.359 was a season in my life. And I aways say, 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.680 people come into your life for you know, reasons, seasons, 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.200 and you know sometimes lifetimes those lifetime was are very rare, 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.520 but you know you appreciate the seasons and you know, 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:09.520 move on to the next. 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.800 One, and it was influential to you like it helped you. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.400 Oh, man, I wouldn't be I probably wouldn't be in 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.840 the position I'm in now if it wasn't for that. 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:19.520 And I don't even like to have those type of 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.639 hypothetical conversations because the reality is I'm in the position 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:25.920 I am because that was part of my journey coming 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.520 from South Carolina. I was in Columbia at the time. 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.680 I think Columbia's market number ninety three to go from 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.159 market number ninety three the market number one being Wendy 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.080 Williams co host Like you who gets that kind of 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:40.879 look like that's some stuff you see in a movie, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:43.840 you know, you watch on a TV show and be like, Yo, 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:45.639 that's damn near impossible. 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.919 You would have probably done anything she told you to do, right. 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.639 I was like, Yo, I did do damn anything you 0:20:55.720 --> 0:21:01.080 told me to do. Yes, yeah, I was. I was 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.800 her a tag dog like not only that, I was 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:07.520 living with her, like living with them, like they were 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.240 giving me a place to stay. I wasn't getting paid. 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:10.800