Speaker 1: I'm a homegrown that knows a little bit about everything
Speaker 1: and everybody. You don't know if you don't lie about that. Right, Hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: what's up. It's Lauren l Rosa and this is the
Speaker 1: Latest with Laura L Rosa. This is your daily dig
Speaker 1: on all things pop culture, entertainment, news, and all of
Speaker 1: the conversations that shake the room. So checking in behind
Speaker 1: the scenes to the grind. We are a few days
Speaker 1: out from Christmas, and uh, I mean, I feel great.
Speaker 1: I haven't had to wake up at four o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning because the Breakfast Club is supposed to be
Speaker 1: on a vacation, but we've been working a little bit.
Speaker 1: We got some special things coming that we will talk
Speaker 1: about soon here on the podcast and reaction, So make
Speaker 1: sure you guys are following, you know, the Breakfast Club
Speaker 1: over on Socials because some things will be releasing. But
Speaker 1: I'm excited to get home to my family after we
Speaker 1: record this episode. I'll actually be driving to wear me.
Speaker 1: My family will be celebrating Christmas and you know, just
Speaker 1: be home, Just be home, be chilling. I'm gonna start cooking.
Speaker 1: I might start cooking tonight actually, and then you know,
Speaker 1: and tomorrow morning. We'll be cooking as well too, But
Speaker 1: I'm excited to be with the family. Christmas is the
Speaker 1: holiday where like all of my family gets together. So
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving it's more of like immediate family, and my
Speaker 1: immediate family is kind of small. It's really just me,
Speaker 1: my brother, my grandma, and my niece. But my larger
Speaker 1: family is pretty large. My grandmom's mom had fifteen children,
Speaker 1: not all alive anymore, but you can imagine how many
Speaker 1: kids they have, so I have a lot of cousins
Speaker 1: and uncles and all of that. So on Christmas Day
Speaker 1: we'll all get together, and I'm just excited to be
Speaker 1: around family and to not be in nobody business but
Speaker 1: my own in the mac and cheese's business. That's it.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for that. So that is where we're headed.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime and between time, let's get on
Speaker 1: into the latest. So one of the releases. I've been,
Speaker 1: you know, watching a lot of interviews and just television
Speaker 1: in general these last couple days because I've had the
Speaker 1: time Charlemagne sat down with Angie Martinez and when he
Speaker 1: had mentioned to me that he was doing Angie Martinez
Speaker 1: Is in Real Life podcast, I was really excited just
Speaker 1: because Angie Martinez on her show on the radio's Fire.
Speaker 1: Y'all know, Angie Martinez, icon legend, gets to the things
Speaker 1: that a lot of people can't get to, and she
Speaker 1: does it in such a caring and like wholesome way.
Speaker 1: I feel like talking to her feels like a hug,
Speaker 1: and that is one of my biggest goals to be
Speaker 1: able to make people feel that way. But I do
Speaker 1: feel like watching her on her podcast is I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like Angie Martinez two point oh, honestly four point zero.
Speaker 1: I think Angie Martinez two point oh is like it
Speaker 1: doesn't even do justice for the conversation she's able to
Speaker 1: have with her in real life podcast. So her in
Speaker 1: real life podcast was birth after she got into a
Speaker 1: very serious car accident, you know, one where you know,
Speaker 1: it was really bad for her. She was going through
Speaker 1: her own things with you know, life and death and
Speaker 1: you know, just recovering from how serious the accident was
Speaker 1: at the time, and it made her start having really
Speaker 1: serious conversations just about you know, like life and what
Speaker 1: life has been and where it's going and you know,
Speaker 1: where it could have stopped and things like that. And
Speaker 1: she's taken that into her conversations with her talent on
Speaker 1: the podcast. So I mean and I mean it's Injibytenes,
Speaker 1: so she's had everybody but her and Charlamage sat down
Speaker 1: for an interview and they talked about a lot of things.
Speaker 1: They talked about, you know, just career, where he's gone,
Speaker 1: and the podcast conversation itself is centered around, not center around,
Speaker 1: but you know, this all comes in time and around
Speaker 1: the time of you know, the two hundred million dollar
Speaker 1: I Heart Media deal announcement that he did, and just
Speaker 1: you know some pres that he's doing. Just talking about
Speaker 1: where he's been, where he's going, and where he is
Speaker 1: right now. So this was a great conversation. Wanted to
Speaker 1: dive into it. So one of the things that Charlemagne
Speaker 1: and Angie Martinez talked about that I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is such a good conversation to hear both of
Speaker 1: them discussed because both of them come from such a
Speaker 1: different time in media, such a different time in radio,
Speaker 1: a different time in interview, a different time in celebrity.
Speaker 1: And it's like, it's crazy because everyone that they talked
Speaker 1: about during this interview, both of them have experienced these
Speaker 1: people personally, but in very different ways. So they start
Speaker 1: the conversation, I start, but I mean, I guess this
Speaker 1: is more towards the beginning of the conversation. I mean
Speaker 1: they've talked about they talk about, you know, Charlemagne and
Speaker 1: like his marriage and being a good husband and just
Speaker 1: all those things. In one of the things that I
Speaker 1: thought was interesting, Charlemagne had mentioned that he went to
Speaker 1: Aguila for his fortieth birthday, which was crazy to me
Speaker 1: because I remember being at TMZ and Van talking about
Speaker 1: going to Anguila to celebrate Charlamagn's birthday. But I didn't
Speaker 1: know Charlamagne at a time, but he talked about being
Speaker 1: in a Guila for his fortieth birthday, and he talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, at that time, he had begun to make
Speaker 1: that like switch of like I want my life to
Speaker 1: be this certain way, so everything I do has to
Speaker 1: align with that. Everything I discussed the people I bring
Speaker 1: it to my life, the decisions I'm making, And it's weird,
Speaker 1: there's like this this this thing that I always have
Speaker 1: a really hard time with putting into words to other people,
Speaker 1: but it's like something that you feel. So he talked
Speaker 1: about his wife had made this like college video of
Speaker 1: all of his friends talking just about him and you know,
Speaker 1: celebrating him for his birthday, and he said he bawled
Speaker 1: crime after she played the video. And when I heard this,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, talk about alignment and talk about
Speaker 1: being because I'm always worried, Like, okay, am I as
Speaker 1: in tune with my faith and my journey and is
Speaker 1: my like passageway to hear God as clear as it
Speaker 1: should be because there's a lot going on. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of noise in what I do. And when I
Speaker 1: heard this, I'm like, oh, no, girl, you were right
Speaker 1: on track when he talked about you know, seeing it
Speaker 1: clearly and hearing it clearly, Like Okay, if this is
Speaker 1: the life you say you want to live, here's what
Speaker 1: you should be doing. And there's like this refresh of
Speaker 1: like new life and new energy and like basically you're
Speaker 1: on track. I've felt that so many times in so
Speaker 1: many different ways, but it's like such a hard thing
Speaker 1: to describe to people. So when I heard that, and
Speaker 1: then you know, you hear Angie Martinez as well, like
Speaker 1: just talking about you know, some of her life experience too,
Speaker 1: and just you know, like I think for people who
Speaker 1: have reached a certain level of success, there's always those
Speaker 1: like epiphany more moments. But I think for people who
Speaker 1: reach a certain level of success, and it's not just
Speaker 1: like outwards success. So it's not just about like the
Speaker 1: money that you're making, the job that you receive, but
Speaker 1: how successful, how successful have you been with actually changing
Speaker 1: the person that you show up as in the midst
Speaker 1: of it, right, And I think Angie Martinez has grown
Speaker 1: in front of our eyes, Charlomagne has grown in front
Speaker 1: of so many people from their generation and their time
Speaker 1: have grown in front of our eyes. And you know,
Speaker 1: as I'm doing things and figuring things out, like I
Speaker 1: want to grow as well. So hearing just that conversation
Speaker 1: and journal, I was like, Okay, this is the confirmation that, like, girl,
Speaker 1: you're not crazy, Like you know, the things that you're hearing,
Speaker 1: the things that you're feeling, are very in line and
Speaker 1: intune what your purpose and what God has happening for
Speaker 1: you and where he sees you and how he sees
Speaker 1: you and not even sees you, but how He's designed
Speaker 1: you to be and to walk on this earth like
Speaker 1: your in alignment. Just stay step fast and keep listening,
Speaker 1: like sometimes you push back, keep listen and then the
Speaker 1: conversation came up about Wendy Williams because Angie Martinez was
Speaker 1: talking to him about, you know, just things and times
Speaker 1: in his past that he'd regretted. Right, let's take a listen.
Speaker 2: I used to work with Wendy. Wendy was the one.
Speaker 2: Because I got with Wendy, I was really compromising myself
Speaker 2: for a position, like I was really the pit bull,
Speaker 2: like purposely that was my job. And she would be
Speaker 2: like get get, get them. I want you to get
Speaker 2: that person. You know, she wasn't enough, she wasn't doing
Speaker 2: enough well. She was trying to make the transition. She
Speaker 2: was trying to make a transition to television. Oh, she
Speaker 2: was trying to do good good, absolutely, And it was
Speaker 2: just it would be sometimes where like my conscience would
Speaker 2: be like why, like and one I always remember is
Speaker 2: Kelly Rowling, Like she was like get up, and I'm
Speaker 2: like Kelly Rolling, like why, Like what did Kelly Rolling do?
Speaker 2: What did you do? I think I came up with
Speaker 2: this angle, like we we both know how it feels
Speaker 2: to be sidekicks. So Homo Sorde kicked it, and then
Speaker 2: she decided to kick the Beyonce. It's great, stupid disrespectful
Speaker 2: shit for no reason. And I remember when Kelly wanted
Speaker 2: to do breakfast club, La La hit me like, you know, yo,
Speaker 2: Kelly wants to do breakfast club. But she was like
Speaker 2: when she met you with Wendy, it was bullshit basically,
Speaker 2: So immediately I apologized to her when before she even
Speaker 2: walked to the studio and when we got on air,
Speaker 2: And I wrote about that story in my book because
Speaker 2: I always tell people, don't compromise yourself for a position,
Speaker 2: Like what the hell was I attacking Kelly rolling for?
Speaker 2: Like just because I was like, the.
Speaker 3: Nicest, She's just like the purest little soul.
Speaker 2: And I still don't even know what the issue was
Speaker 2: was she was she gracious to your apology? Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: That's what I love Kelly. Me and Kelly like he's
Speaker 2: super locked it.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Charlottage worked with Wendy Williams on her radio show The
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams Experience from about two thousand and six two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight with BLS WBLS NOW very different times
Speaker 1: and you know his life, and he talked a bit
Speaker 1: about to you know, just understanding people differently in different
Speaker 1: eras of that life, in different eras of their life.
Speaker 1: So in that era he was working with Windy Williams,
Speaker 1: He's living with her and Kevin Hunter Senior, who was
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams husband at the time, who she you know,
Speaker 1: went on to divorce. That's also who Wendy Williams had
Speaker 1: her son with Kevin Hunter Junior. But you know, I
Speaker 1: think at that point he you know, he had been fired.
Speaker 1: He was, you know, doing what he could do to
Speaker 1: figure things out, and no excuse at all, because I
Speaker 1: think the whole like compromising yourself for a position thing
Speaker 1: that's always like, that's always something that when you are
Speaker 1: a person really trying to grow and figure things out,
Speaker 1: you think about. I know, I think about that all
Speaker 1: the time, like, you know, when I'm saying yes to
Speaker 1: things or saying no to things, or you know, when
Speaker 1: I'm choosing not to be involved with certain people or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of times, I always and I consider
Speaker 1: it a different way because I feel like I've always
Speaker 1: been a person that like I'm not really like there's
Speaker 1: not much I'm gonna compromise at all, Like I really
Speaker 1: don't know how to be that way. I can be
Speaker 1: very cordial, I can be silent, but I can't like it.
Speaker 1: I can only live in like this like created environment
Speaker 1: or space or whatever, so that things just flow the
Speaker 1: way that they're supposed to. But so long, eventually the
Speaker 1: nurturing I care about you, I'm want everybody to win.
Speaker 1: Whatever in me is like, Okay, I can't do this anymore,
Speaker 1: And I think for me, I've always thought about it
Speaker 1: like that, Like sometimes I feel like that comes back
Speaker 1: to bite me in the butt, like caring about people
Speaker 1: in a way that sometimes they don't care about me,
Speaker 1: or just being very considerate of people in a way
Speaker 1: that they're not considered of me. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: the opposite of me, Like I've never been a person
Speaker 1: who's just like nasty and like could like like I'm
Speaker 1: not coming for you unless you send for me. And
Speaker 1: every now and then I could be a little shady,
Speaker 1: like I got my moments, but if I say something
Speaker 1: and I feel a way, I stand on at least
Speaker 1: in that moment. But even in those times, I've always
Speaker 1: thought about like, Okay, your thought process and your opinion
Speaker 1: of people change, Like me as a person, I've changed
Speaker 1: today so much as I was last week, so much
Speaker 1: as I was last month. So when I'm publicly given
Speaker 1: opinions about people or reporting on people, Like I never
Speaker 1: wanted to come off as if I'm trying to just
Speaker 1: be nasty to a person or like anything like that,
Speaker 1: because it's like I may feel a way in a
Speaker 1: moment or feel a way based on certain things that's
Speaker 1: in a you know, the media or the cycle, but
Speaker 1: like you get to really know these people, or even
Speaker 1: if not, even if you never really get to know
Speaker 1: these people, you just move on with life. You experience things,
Speaker 1: you may get put in the same positions, and literally
Speaker 1: your thought process changes. So even if before that it
Speaker 1: wasn't true, it's very true, and it's very different now,
Speaker 1: where like I'm definitely one of them people where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I tried my hardest to be fair. I try my
Speaker 1: hardest to be fair. The people don't be thinking it's
Speaker 1: a thing. There's so many people who think I'm just
Speaker 1: like messy, and I'm like, that's not I tried so
Speaker 1: hard to be fair because I think about how much
Speaker 1: things I've messed up, how many crazy things I've done,
Speaker 1: said or whatever, And I'm like, if someone was reporting
Speaker 1: on me, the minimum I will want is for them
Speaker 1: to be fair and for them to hear me out,
Speaker 1: so heard them right, But I think it was in
Speaker 1: hearing that and looking back on because you guys know
Speaker 1: Whndy Williams came on to the Breakfast Club and like,
Speaker 1: you know the first interview that Wendy Williams did where
Speaker 1: she was breaking down crying just about her situation and
Speaker 1: her guardianship. When we could take a listen to a
Speaker 1: little bit of that, that interview, Sky pocketed everything for
Speaker 1: Wendy in her fight against her conservatorship. You know, I
Speaker 1: think I remember after we recorded the interview and he
Speaker 1: asked me, like you think this is gonna be everywhere?
Speaker 1: I was like, are you crazy? Like this is literally
Speaker 1: going to stop the world tomorrow, because we taped it
Speaker 1: one day, it was going to air the next morning,
Speaker 1: and it did just that. But I also remember having
Speaker 1: a conversation with Charlemagne when he had first said to me,
Speaker 1: way before we did any interview. Charlamagne had said, you know,
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams and I have been talking. She'd been reaching
Speaker 1: out whatever, Like he said it so casually, and I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, you and Wendy have been having conversation
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, you know, she been calling me,
Speaker 1: this is what's going on, blah blah blah blah, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, why do you say anything, like do you
Speaker 1: know that the world would literally like be on pins
Speaker 1: and needles to know what you guys relationship was like today,
Speaker 1: because even when Windy Williams did her documentary or when
Speaker 1: whoever did it, because I know she's fighting that documentary
Speaker 1: in court right with A and E in lifetime. Even
Speaker 1: when that documentary happened, there was a lot of people
Speaker 1: who were like trying to figure out if there was
Speaker 1: any involvement from Charlemagne and why that part of her
Speaker 1: life wasn't depicted more with him more active, and because
Speaker 1: he's such a big name down and people wanted to
Speaker 1: hear from him and just see his like take on
Speaker 1: the story, which didn't happen. So I remember saying to him, like, yo,
Speaker 1: people would love to hear that, but he was very
Speaker 1: set on like, nah, that's not for the people like
Speaker 1: she checking in. You know, I'm in a good place mentally.
Speaker 1: I'm just making sure she's straight. And at that point
Speaker 1: he wasn't even doing much for her. It was just
Speaker 1: like literally answering the phone. And then there was one
Speaker 1: day he mentioned something about having a conversation with her.
Speaker 1: So this was I wasn't on air at this point.
Speaker 1: I was just producing the show, so I was behind
Speaker 1: the scenes and Jess was on air. And in casual
Speaker 1: conversation that day while we were from in the show,
Speaker 1: Charlemagne had mentioned to me that it had spoken to
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams, and I was asking him because there were
Speaker 1: reports about, you know, just her health and all these things,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, do you think she is
Speaker 1: well enough to be able to get on radio or
Speaker 1: do anything in that space, podcast, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I think she's you know, ready,
Speaker 1: And I said, can we talk about that on air? Well,
Speaker 1: if I produce this segment and throw the oop, you
Speaker 1: know where Jess is giving you a platform to be
Speaker 1: able to say that, not a platform, but like a
Speaker 1: segue to be able to say that, will you mention
Speaker 1: that on air? Like are you comfortable with that? And
Speaker 1: I was always very sensitive to it because, you know,
Speaker 1: I understand the dynamic, especially coming from like a TMZ,
Speaker 1: where there's a trauma in in this, like there's a there.
Speaker 1: People don't understand that there can be a trauma in
Speaker 1: working in the industry because this industry is so glamorized.
Speaker 1: But I got it. I understood it. So when he
Speaker 1: would have certain hesitations, I would get it. But I
Speaker 1: remember asking him, like, you know, you're okay we're talking
Speaker 1: about that, and he was like, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: guess like people don't care about that. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's list.
Speaker 2: I spoke to Windy over the holidays. He did, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what happened? She was seemed perfectly fine to me, Like
Speaker 2: he's like, she could do radio tomorrow. She wanted to
Speaker 2: hein Nothing In facitated about Wendy Williams.
Speaker 3: How was her energy?
Speaker 2: How was she sounded like Wendy Williams trying to tell
Speaker 2: you like there was there was? She didn't miss skip
Speaker 2: a beat. She actually said to me when she called me,
Speaker 2: she was like, why are you answering the phone? Like
Speaker 2: we just we just spoke yesterday, We just talked last week.
Speaker 1: She wanted me to be more excited.
Speaker 2: Nothing inpacitated about windows.
Speaker 1: So that clip picked up everywhere. I mean, People Magazine,
Speaker 1: page six, Shade Room, Hollywood, un Lock, like black white, indifferent,
Speaker 1: whatever media out you could think about naturally picked up
Speaker 1: that clip, right, And it's because of the dynamic in
Speaker 1: how I of a voice Charlemagne has become, but how
Speaker 1: iconic of a voice Wendy Williams has been for so
Speaker 1: many years. So to hear him talk about this, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's where a lot of the trauma is coming from.
Speaker 1: And you know, people ask me all the time. We
Speaker 1: haven't really leaned into the Wendy Williams stuff a lot
Speaker 1: at all. I know, I talk about it here on
Speaker 1: the podcast sometimes and I bring you guys updates, and
Speaker 1: I'm very honest when I bring you guys updates and
Speaker 1: letting you know, like, Okay, I'll reach out to the
Speaker 1: attorneys that I could reach out to. Haven't heard anything
Speaker 1: back my correspondence with Wendy Williams team and even her.
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to Wendy Williams in months, like a
Speaker 1: long time, but just her attorneys in general. What has
Speaker 1: been you know, scarce to none because things are just
Speaker 1: different behind the scenes now. And he got into that
Speaker 1: a bit. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about forgiveness for that type of stuff?
Speaker 3: Like you said, you cut people are fast, right, but
Speaker 3: like even in that moment, even in the moment with
Speaker 3: Wendy and her saying get and you haven't apologized to
Speaker 3: Kelly and just learning from that, and she forgived you
Speaker 3: right clearly. I don't know, do you forgive yourself or
Speaker 3: do you forgive other people or do you just kind
Speaker 3: of cut people out like I would even imagine with
Speaker 3: Wendy there had to be some type of I don't
Speaker 3: know it is.
Speaker 2: But you know, the thing with is like like earlier
Speaker 2: this year, you know, we were helping her right because
Speaker 2: she was in a bad situation. But then you know,
Speaker 2: you see some things that remind you of that old
Speaker 2: energy and you're like, I don't really want that in
Speaker 2: my life. No, lover, wish you the best, you know,
Speaker 2: glad we was able to connect her with certain people.
Speaker 2: Then when you see even how she might have treated
Speaker 2: to certain people you connected it with, you know, so
Speaker 2: it's just like let me you know, I wish you
Speaker 2: the best. No want the best for her, But that
Speaker 2: was a season in my life. And I aways say,
Speaker 2: people come into your life for you know, reasons, seasons,
Speaker 2: and you know sometimes lifetimes those lifetime was are very rare,
Speaker 2: but you know you appreciate the seasons and you know,
Speaker 2: move on to the next.
Speaker 3: One, and it was influential to you like it helped you.
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I wouldn't be I probably wouldn't be in
Speaker 2: the position I'm in now if it wasn't for that.
Speaker 2: And I don't even like to have those type of
Speaker 2: hypothetical conversations because the reality is I'm in the position
Speaker 2: I am because that was part of my journey coming
Speaker 2: from South Carolina. I was in Columbia at the time.
Speaker 2: I think Columbia's market number ninety three to go from
Speaker 2: market number ninety three the market number one being Wendy
Speaker 2: Williams co host Like you who gets that kind of
Speaker 2: look like that's some stuff you see in a movie,
Speaker 2: you know, you watch on a TV show and be like, Yo,
Speaker 2: that's damn near impossible.
Speaker 3: You would have probably done anything she told you to do, right.
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, I did do damn anything you
Speaker 2: told me to do. Yes, yeah, I was. I was
Speaker 2: her a tag dog like not only that, I was
Speaker 2: living with her, like living with them, like they were
Speaker 2: giving me a place to stay. I wasn't getting paid.
Speaker 2: I didn't get paid for like a year and a half.
Speaker 2: But I do that though, And that's why I always
Speaker 2: tell you the next generation recognize the opportunity when it's
Speaker 2: not a pay check attached to it.
Speaker 1: And when I heard this, mind you, this is the
Speaker 1: first time I've ever heard him publicly speak about, you know,
Speaker 1: where he is with forgiveness when it comes to Wendy
Speaker 1: and just kind of right now where their relationship lies.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, he's getting to a point where
Speaker 1: this is like Charlomagne, like it's weird. It's like when
Speaker 1: people experience like trauma and deal with traumatic people in
Speaker 1: their life. I think sometimes dealing with those people can
Speaker 1: take you back to the place that you were at
Speaker 1: when you were being traumatized. Right. So, like Charlemagne the
Speaker 1: God is a two hundred million dollar deal man in
Speaker 1: a partnership with iHeartMedia in the Breakfast in the Breakfast
Speaker 1: Club and you know Black Effect Podcast Network, But in
Speaker 1: dealing with Wendy Williams, I think there are and I
Speaker 1: don't know if he would say this, this is just
Speaker 1: me from the outside looking in, and things that I
Speaker 1: was always very careful about in pushing him of, Like
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I would have to call him and say, hey,
Speaker 1: can you call such and such or has she called you?
Speaker 1: When she calls you can you a like ask this
Speaker 1: asks that, but in being very careful about like you
Speaker 1: know how I know personally he has to deal with
Speaker 1: this situation. What I took from it was I think
Speaker 1: dealing with her takes him back to a lot of
Speaker 1: the times in his life that he's moved on from
Speaker 1: and has had to move on from because he's not
Speaker 1: that attack dog anymore. And even though he can get there,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, it's still so different. It's like
Speaker 1: very like healed, it is very evolved or even on
Speaker 1: the journey. I don't know if I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would say like fully healed because he's still I mean,
Speaker 1: little man. Anger is a thing. His legs still swinging
Speaker 1: his seat, so he's always going to be angry. But
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, it's just a he's in
Speaker 1: a different place now, But hearing him talk about this,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, there's a part of him that always
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that he never returned to being
Speaker 1: the person that like was in that position that needed her,
Speaker 1: needed Wendy Williams so bad that he was willing to
Speaker 1: do and say whatever, because you know, his career mattered,
Speaker 1: Like you know, his family is depending on him. He's
Speaker 1: depending on him, His career is depending on him. So
Speaker 1: I got it at that point. But the first time
Speaker 1: I ever heard him say that, and even like and
Speaker 1: I mean even to me, like in general, like I
Speaker 1: knew that there were things going on like behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: but like publicly, like when we're talking about it on
Speaker 1: the show, he'd be quiet. He don't indulge at all.
Speaker 1: And I think it's like, you know, if you ain't
Speaker 1: got nothing necess to say, you don't say nothing at all,
Speaker 1: no beef, but just being honest. But they also got
Speaker 1: into something that was like very very interesting. So Angie
Speaker 1: Martinez back in ninety six did an interview with Tupac.
Speaker 1: This was one of Tupac's final interviews. It happened months
Speaker 1: before his passing. The interview was reportedly like an hour
Speaker 1: forty five two hours long. I believe Angie Martinez says
Speaker 1: it was an hour and forty minutes long in this
Speaker 1: interview with Charlemagne. But history has it and as she's
Speaker 1: ever told the story and what we've ever gotten to here,
Speaker 1: she's only ever released a little bit under fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: of the interview. Let's take listen to what she actually
Speaker 1: released from back in that time and what's going down
Speaker 1: with that?
Speaker 3: So I wanted to get his view, and he goes
Speaker 3: a little something.
Speaker 4: The East coast West coast thing is a musical thing
Speaker 4: that's separate. That's a whole thing separate to itself. That's
Speaker 4: a musical thing where we have been beefing about whose
Speaker 4: music is better or which is this? It has Because
Speaker 4: I'm like a lightning rod, because I'm attacking New York's finus.
Speaker 4: They're self proclaimed king of New York.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm attacking them so because nobody's separating themselves from the
Speaker 4: talking about how yes, they were talking about raw he is.
Speaker 4: He's a represented He represents New York. Yeah, every time,
Speaker 4: every time it benefits New York, he represents New York
Speaker 4: when it don't benefit New York. Now, he's just another rapper.
Speaker 4: What y'all let him wear y'all colors? You let him shout,
Speaker 4: y'all stout. When Biggie came out here, he screamed out,
Speaker 4: Brooklyn's in the house. We don't beat to say, why
Speaker 4: are you starting a war? Why is everybody when I
Speaker 4: say West Side it hurt people feeling.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's because you're saying west Side.
Speaker 1: I think because you know O me. No, not at all.
Speaker 5: I think it's because you know Dog Pound video came
Speaker 5: out in New York, New York.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying you was in the video.
Speaker 1: I know you wasn't in the videos.
Speaker 4: I didn't write it, I didn't produce to be so
Speaker 4: let's say it in jail. The album was done while
Speaker 4: I was in jail. That's separate it just you know
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's New York's visualizing your camp, which to
Speaker 5: them is death Row, which is dog Pound, which is Snoop?
Speaker 5: And which is you know, which is that whole thing?
Speaker 5: It was all one time the New York, New York
Speaker 5: video came out. You know, Brothers was stepping on cars
Speaker 5: in New York, stepping on you know, on New York
Speaker 5: like they owned their boom.
Speaker 3: You come out next video?
Speaker 2: What about?
Speaker 1: What about the video?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Call to me it is the best coach and everybody
Speaker 4: in New York feel like that too. That's why they
Speaker 4: come out here in party.
Speaker 2: Man, Why did everybody act.
Speaker 4: Like I didn't say me to say to say, Cally
Speaker 4: is the West Coast? I never said New York And
Speaker 4: I never said New York is the worst coast. I
Speaker 4: just said where I'm at, where I'm from, is the
Speaker 4: best coast.
Speaker 2: Why is that offending people?
Speaker 1: Now? She says, the reason that she's only released that,
Speaker 1: and she's always said this from the beginning to now,
Speaker 1: is that during that time, she felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: if she had released the full interview, it could have
Speaker 1: made things way worse when it came to like the
Speaker 1: East Coast West Coast beef and all the drama that
Speaker 1: was happening because reportedly Tupac was naming names, he was
Speaker 1: you know, talking about like political concerns and like just
Speaker 1: a lot of the different things that he was discussing
Speaker 1: and full and in depth she didn't think would be helpful. Now,
Speaker 1: this conversation when she had it with Charlemagne about the
Speaker 1: the you know, Tupac tapes and all of that, it
Speaker 1: came up, and to me, it sounds like she's willing
Speaker 1: to do it, maybe like like a maybe, but like
Speaker 1: kind of on like the warmer side of maybe leaning
Speaker 1: into Okay, I'll do it, But I think she just
Speaker 1: wants it to be very responsible if she does it,
Speaker 1: because now nowadays in her career Angie Martinez the Voice
Speaker 1: of New York in twenty twenty five, It's not Angie
Speaker 1: Martinez the Voice of New York. She was in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Who you know, she was grinding, she was trying to
Speaker 1: get on. She needed the moments, not even need it,
Speaker 1: but that was her job.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 1: Now she's iconic, she's legendary. She can be so much
Speaker 1: more responsible with her platform because it's her show, it's
Speaker 1: her say, so let's take a listen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny to even talk about it because I
Speaker 3: don't know. I just like somebody asked me the other day,
Speaker 3: if I would interview Puff if he came out, would
Speaker 3: you I'd have to think about it. It wouldn't be be
Speaker 3: a younger me would say, of course, it's my job.
Speaker 3: Absolutely yes. Now I'd have to say, what kind of
Speaker 3: offering would that be to the world? Would it be
Speaker 3: worth it for me? Do I want to put myself
Speaker 3: in that noise? Can I do something really meaningful?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I'd have to ask myself some questions like that. It's
Speaker 3: not just a yes, I'll do it because because it'll
Speaker 3: be huge. I mean, I say no the huge things
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 2: That's what I love about you. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it is so funny. Debbie Brown, who's a great friend
Speaker 2: of mine's my good sister. She literally said she texted
Speaker 2: me like two days ago and was like, yo, because
Speaker 2: she loves Tupac like I'm talking about it. She's the
Speaker 2: person that haunted me exactly. She she loves two Box.
Speaker 2: She was like, yo, Angie really needs to put out
Speaker 2: the TAC audio. Debbie Brown, maybe it's time then, And
Speaker 2: I said to her, I said, well, you know, she
Speaker 2: never wanted to put it out because you know, she
Speaker 2: thought would be inflammatory. Right.
Speaker 3: I know there's a rumor on the internet that Puff
Speaker 3: somehow paid me for those tapes, Like I like, I
Speaker 3: held those tapes for all those years so that Puff
Speaker 3: could pay me. It's absolutely there's zero truth to that
Speaker 3: but that but you're right, that's why that's why I
Speaker 3: never did it. And then now I think, for what
Speaker 3: is the point Now? There's nothing there that changes history
Speaker 3: or changes but I know people are interested.
Speaker 2: So I think people want to break it down psychologically
Speaker 2: because there's this let's do it.
Speaker 3: You want to do it with me, you want to do.
Speaker 2: Like that'd be amazing, Let's do it because she you
Speaker 2: know what it is, I think people.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think, I mean, I want to hear.
Speaker 1: If I'm being honest with you, I want to hear.
Speaker 1: I want to especially now being so much being so
Speaker 1: much more in the mix of like all of like
Speaker 1: that like stuff, right, So knowing Angie Martinez personally and
Speaker 1: like knowing her spirit and like we're not like besties,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, but like she's someone that
Speaker 1: like looking up to and this of course, and you
Speaker 1: just being able to have interacted with her and experience
Speaker 1: and in real life and her spirit in real life,
Speaker 1: and knowing everything that happened after, you know, months after
Speaker 1: with you know, the shooting of Tupac and a Biggie
Speaker 1: and like all of the conversations that happened, and there's
Speaker 1: just been so much that has been speculated and so
Speaker 1: much that we've had to learn and experience and hear
Speaker 1: secondhand in the history of this conversation that I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I would just love to be able to not
Speaker 1: just hear about that right East Coast, West Coast, because
Speaker 1: I think that they're you know, they've they had there
Speaker 1: was community conversation in that there was let's talk about
Speaker 1: a lack of money and amongst us as like our
Speaker 1: community and what we could do if there was more,
Speaker 1: and what wouldn't be happening when it comes to beef
Speaker 1: and the back and forth and all that if there
Speaker 1: was more. Like I feel like there's so much of
Speaker 1: like a political stance and a community advocate in Tupac
Speaker 1: that we know him to be anyway that you I mean,
Speaker 1: you get a sense of that period right in music
Speaker 1: and interviews and all that. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just think Angie Martinez has always been able to take
Speaker 1: people to a different place than anyone else has. And
Speaker 1: she mentioned in this interview with Charlotmagne that her and
Speaker 1: didn't know each other super personally. He had reached out
Speaker 1: to her to interview with her when he did because
Speaker 1: he had been he'd heard her interviews when he was
Speaker 1: locked up, so he felt comfortable with her, right And
Speaker 1: I mean, she's just been really good at what she
Speaker 1: does for a very long time. So to hear him
Speaker 1: in that space, knowing her, knowing her spirit, you know,
Speaker 1: and just I don't know, I think that it would
Speaker 1: be a history lesson that we'd be able to hear
Speaker 1: and listen to while knowing so much other stuff that
Speaker 1: has occurred, Like I think it might even like correct
Speaker 1: some of the myths about the whole, like the beef,
Speaker 1: the back and forth, and I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: I just think hearing it from the person is always
Speaker 1: different than hearing about it and hearing about the person
Speaker 1: about the things that happen when it comes to a person.
Speaker 1: So I'm interested in hearing that. And I just also
Speaker 1: think too because there was an interesting put in an
Speaker 1: interview where they were talking about whether, like how Tupac
Speaker 1: would have evolved, and she was very honest and saying
Speaker 1: that you know, from her conversations with him, she thinks
Speaker 1: that he would have evolved like a jay Z, but
Speaker 1: like you know, would have been really into community in
Speaker 1: school and all that. But let's say it.
Speaker 2: Listen, we realized Pap wasn't as crazy as people thought.
Speaker 3: And also he was young.
Speaker 2: He was very young.
Speaker 3: He hadn't gone through the imagine PUC after therapy.
Speaker 2: Healed when you thin that was a twenty four to
Speaker 2: twenty five, Yes, twenty four, so his full front through
Speaker 2: cortex wasn't even full.
Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying. Imagine him going through how
Speaker 3: the other side of Charlotte Mae. Imagine the other side
Speaker 3: of Pac, what that would have been I would see.
Speaker 3: Then then I look at the tapes and I go, well,
Speaker 3: now that has meaning. If I release it in a
Speaker 3: way where it actually has meaning and does something good
Speaker 3: for the world, I want to just put it out
Speaker 3: so people could talk about it and have it on
Speaker 3: the internet.
Speaker 1: I just think it would be good to hear things
Speaker 1: about Tupac from Tupac. I mean, there are so many,
Speaker 1: like I've watched so many interviews online on YouTube, like
Speaker 1: you know, like from MTV and like just you know,
Speaker 1: different eras of like cultural history that as much as
Speaker 1: I can on Tubac, just because I've always been really,
Speaker 1: really curious just about for him to be so young, he.
Speaker 2: Was so.
Speaker 1: I don't like him when people say, like he was
Speaker 1: so young, but he was so smart and tuned in,
Speaker 1: because I feel like all my friends from young have
Speaker 1: been very in tune what's going on in the world,
Speaker 1: and you know, what's affecting us and what's not. But
Speaker 1: one of the things I feel like as a young
Speaker 1: person I wasn't sure about was myself and my identity
Speaker 1: and where I studied all of that, and he didn't
Speaker 1: he don't see he that wasn't him. He was very
Speaker 1: sure about himself where he stood, what his mission was.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it couldn't lighten and I
Speaker 1: think with the right guardrails, you know. But I do
Speaker 1: understand her hesitancy because I think people lost their not
Speaker 1: I think, I know, we know people lost their lives
Speaker 1: in that situation. People lost family members, you know, friends.
Speaker 1: That was a very traumatic time. I saw jadakiss on
Speaker 1: Joe and Jada, you know, talking to Tony Yayo and
Speaker 1: Uncle Murder and Uncle Murder just about being in LA
Speaker 1: with Biggie at the time that he was killed and
Speaker 1: not connecting the two. But I mean it's the same
Speaker 1: you know that East Coast, West coast them to dying
Speaker 1: is like the same conversation. You have it the same way.
Speaker 1: Every time you talk about one, you talk about the other.
Speaker 1: But he said, he still shakes when he rides down
Speaker 1: that street. Right. So there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: that those tapes will bring back a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of memories, a lot of feelings for But maybe
Speaker 1: there's some good that we can find in it that
Speaker 1: it'll do. I think people will listen. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people anymore that people listen to
Speaker 1: because everything is just so clouded and just so loud
Speaker 1: and just so like you got to really focus in,
Speaker 1: like dilute to really get to the cream of the
Speaker 1: crop of the people you should be listening to and
Speaker 1: all that. I think it would cut through for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. So I think it could do some
Speaker 1: good to Anjie Martinez's point of why she never put
Speaker 1: it out certain parts of it anyway. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's discussed on there, nings he's calling out and all
Speaker 1: of that, but I do think that there are certain parts,
Speaker 1: especially knowing how radical Tupac was against, you know, government
Speaker 1: and the structures and the day and time we end
Speaker 1: the day, you know what I'm saying, Like hear him
Speaker 1: speak unfiltered, might just be we need at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. There is always a lot to talk about,
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