1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: I'm a homegrown that knows a little bit about everything 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: and everybody. You don't know if you don't lie about that. Right, Hey, y'all, 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: what's up. It's Lauren l Rosa and this is the 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Latest with Laura L Rosa. This is your daily dig 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: on all things pop culture, entertainment, news, and all of 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: the conversations that shake the room. So checking in behind 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: the scenes to the grind. We are a few days 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: out from Christmas, and uh, I mean, I feel great. 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: I haven't had to wake up at four o'clock in 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: the morning because the Breakfast Club is supposed to be 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: on a vacation, but we've been working a little bit. 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: We got some special things coming that we will talk 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: about soon here on the podcast and reaction, So make 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: sure you guys are following, you know, the Breakfast Club 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: over on Socials because some things will be releasing. But 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm excited to get home to my family after we 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: record this episode. I'll actually be driving to wear me. 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: My family will be celebrating Christmas and you know, just 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: be home, Just be home, be chilling. I'm gonna start cooking. 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: I might start cooking tonight actually, and then you know, 21 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: and tomorrow morning. We'll be cooking as well too, But 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm excited to be with the family. Christmas is the 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: holiday where like all of my family gets together. So 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving it's more of like immediate family, and my 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: immediate family is kind of small. It's really just me, 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: my brother, my grandma, and my niece. But my larger 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: family is pretty large. My grandmom's mom had fifteen children, 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: not all alive anymore, but you can imagine how many 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: kids they have, so I have a lot of cousins 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: and uncles and all of that. So on Christmas Day 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: we'll all get together, and I'm just excited to be 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: around family and to not be in nobody business but 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: my own in the mac and cheese's business. That's it. 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm really excited for that. So that is where we're headed. 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: But in the meantime and between time, let's get on 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: into the latest. So one of the releases. I've been, 37 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: you know, watching a lot of interviews and just television 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: in general these last couple days because I've had the 39 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: time Charlemagne sat down with Angie Martinez and when he 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: had mentioned to me that he was doing Angie Martinez 41 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: Is in Real Life podcast, I was really excited just 42 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: because Angie Martinez on her show on the radio's Fire. 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: Y'all know, Angie Martinez, icon legend, gets to the things 44 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: that a lot of people can't get to, and she 45 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: does it in such a caring and like wholesome way. 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: I feel like talking to her feels like a hug, 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: and that is one of my biggest goals to be 48 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: able to make people feel that way. But I do 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: feel like watching her on her podcast is I mean, 50 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: it's like Angie Martinez two point oh, honestly four point zero. 51 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: I think Angie Martinez two point oh is like it 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: doesn't even do justice for the conversation she's able to 53 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: have with her in real life podcast. So her in 54 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: real life podcast was birth after she got into a 55 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: very serious car accident, you know, one where you know, 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: it was really bad for her. She was going through 57 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: her own things with you know, life and death and 58 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, just recovering from how serious the accident was 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: at the time, and it made her start having really 60 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: serious conversations just about you know, like life and what 61 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: life has been and where it's going and you know, 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: where it could have stopped and things like that. And 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: she's taken that into her conversations with her talent on 64 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: the podcast. So I mean and I mean it's Injibytenes, 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: so she's had everybody but her and Charlamage sat down 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: for an interview and they talked about a lot of things. 67 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: They talked about, you know, just career, where he's gone, 68 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: and the podcast conversation itself is centered around, not center around, 69 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: but you know, this all comes in time and around 70 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: the time of you know, the two hundred million dollar 71 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: I Heart Media deal announcement that he did, and just 72 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: you know some pres that he's doing. Just talking about 73 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: where he's been, where he's going, and where he is 74 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: right now. So this was a great conversation. Wanted to 75 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: dive into it. So one of the things that Charlemagne 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: and Angie Martinez talked about that I was like, man, 77 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: this is such a good conversation to hear both of 78 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: them discussed because both of them come from such a 79 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: different time in media, such a different time in radio, 80 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: a different time in interview, a different time in celebrity. 81 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: And it's like, it's crazy because everyone that they talked 82 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: about during this interview, both of them have experienced these 83 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: people personally, but in very different ways. So they start 84 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: the conversation, I start, but I mean, I guess this 85 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: is more towards the beginning of the conversation. I mean 86 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: they've talked about they talk about, you know, Charlemagne and 87 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: like his marriage and being a good husband and just 88 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: all those things. In one of the things that I 89 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: thought was interesting, Charlemagne had mentioned that he went to 90 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: Aguila for his fortieth birthday, which was crazy to me 91 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: because I remember being at TMZ and Van talking about 92 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: going to Anguila to celebrate Charlamagn's birthday. But I didn't 93 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: know Charlamagne at a time, but he talked about being 94 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: in a Guila for his fortieth birthday, and he talked about, 95 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, at that time, he had begun to make 96 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: that like switch of like I want my life to 97 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: be this certain way, so everything I do has to 98 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: align with that. Everything I discussed the people I bring 99 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: it to my life, the decisions I'm making, And it's weird, 100 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: there's like this this this thing that I always have 101 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: a really hard time with putting into words to other people, 102 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: but it's like something that you feel. So he talked 103 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: about his wife had made this like college video of 104 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: all of his friends talking just about him and you know, 105 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: celebrating him for his birthday, and he said he bawled 106 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: crime after she played the video. And when I heard this, 107 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, talk about alignment and talk about 108 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: being because I'm always worried, Like, okay, am I as 109 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: in tune with my faith and my journey and is 110 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: my like passageway to hear God as clear as it 111 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: should be because there's a lot going on. There's a 112 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: lot of noise in what I do. And when I 113 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: heard this, I'm like, oh, no, girl, you were right 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: on track when he talked about you know, seeing it 115 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: clearly and hearing it clearly, Like Okay, if this is 116 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: the life you say you want to live, here's what 117 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: you should be doing. And there's like this refresh of 118 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: like new life and new energy and like basically you're 119 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: on track. I've felt that so many times in so 120 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: many different ways, but it's like such a hard thing 121 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: to describe to people. So when I heard that, and 122 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: then you know, you hear Angie Martinez as well, like 123 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: just talking about you know, some of her life experience too, 124 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: and just you know, like I think for people who 125 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: have reached a certain level of success, there's always those 126 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: like epiphany more moments. But I think for people who 127 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: reach a certain level of success, and it's not just 128 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: like outwards success. So it's not just about like the 129 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: money that you're making, the job that you receive, but 130 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: how successful, how successful have you been with actually changing 131 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: the person that you show up as in the midst 132 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: of it, right, And I think Angie Martinez has grown 133 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: in front of our eyes, Charlomagne has grown in front 134 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: of so many people from their generation and their time 135 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: have grown in front of our eyes. And you know, 136 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: as I'm doing things and figuring things out, like I 137 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: want to grow as well. So hearing just that conversation 138 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: and journal, I was like, Okay, this is the confirmation that, like, girl, 139 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: you're not crazy, Like you know, the things that you're hearing, 140 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: the things that you're feeling, are very in line and 141 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: intune what your purpose and what God has happening for 142 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: you and where he sees you and how he sees 143 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: you and not even sees you, but how He's designed 144 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: you to be and to walk on this earth like 145 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: your in alignment. Just stay step fast and keep listening, 146 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: like sometimes you push back, keep listen and then the 147 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: conversation came up about Wendy Williams because Angie Martinez was 148 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: talking to him about, you know, just things and times 149 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 1: in his past that he'd regretted. Right, let's take a listen. 150 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: I used to work with Wendy. Wendy was the one. 151 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: Because I got with Wendy, I was really compromising myself 152 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: for a position, like I was really the pit bull, 153 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: like purposely that was my job. And she would be 154 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: like get get, get them. I want you to get 155 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: that person. You know, she wasn't enough, she wasn't doing 156 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: enough well. She was trying to make the transition. She 157 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: was trying to make a transition to television. Oh, she 158 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: was trying to do good good, absolutely, And it was 159 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: just it would be sometimes where like my conscience would 160 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: be like why, like and one I always remember is 161 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: Kelly Rowling, Like she was like get up, and I'm 162 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 2: like Kelly Rolling, like why, Like what did Kelly Rolling do? 163 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: What did you do? I think I came up with 164 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: this angle, like we we both know how it feels 165 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: to be sidekicks. So Homo Sorde kicked it, and then 166 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: she decided to kick the Beyonce. It's great, stupid disrespectful 167 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: shit for no reason. And I remember when Kelly wanted 168 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: to do breakfast club, La La hit me like, you know, yo, 169 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: Kelly wants to do breakfast club. But she was like 170 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: when she met you with Wendy, it was bullshit basically, 171 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: So immediately I apologized to her when before she even 172 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: walked to the studio and when we got on air, 173 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: And I wrote about that story in my book because 174 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: I always tell people, don't compromise yourself for a position, 175 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: Like what the hell was I attacking Kelly rolling for? 176 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: Like just because I was like, the. 177 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: Nicest, She's just like the purest little soul. 178 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: And I still don't even know what the issue was 179 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: was she was she gracious to your apology? Oh yeah, absolutely, 180 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: That's what I love Kelly. Me and Kelly like he's 181 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: super locked it. 182 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 4: So. 183 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: Charlottage worked with Wendy Williams on her radio show The 184 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: Wendy Williams Experience from about two thousand and six two 185 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: thousand and eight with BLS WBLS NOW very different times 186 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: and you know his life, and he talked a bit 187 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: about to you know, just understanding people differently in different 188 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: eras of that life, in different eras of their life. 189 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: So in that era he was working with Windy Williams, 190 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: He's living with her and Kevin Hunter Senior, who was 191 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: Wendy Williams husband at the time, who she you know, 192 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: went on to divorce. That's also who Wendy Williams had 193 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: her son with Kevin Hunter Junior. But you know, I 194 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: think at that point he you know, he had been fired. 195 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: He was, you know, doing what he could do to 196 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: figure things out, and no excuse at all, because I 197 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: think the whole like compromising yourself for a position thing 198 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: that's always like, that's always something that when you are 199 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: a person really trying to grow and figure things out, 200 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: you think about. I know, I think about that all 201 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: the time, like, you know, when I'm saying yes to 202 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: things or saying no to things, or you know, when 203 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm choosing not to be involved with certain people or whatever. 204 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: Like a lot of times, I always and I consider 205 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: it a different way because I feel like I've always 206 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: been a person that like I'm not really like there's 207 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: not much I'm gonna compromise at all, Like I really 208 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: don't know how to be that way. I can be 209 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: very cordial, I can be silent, but I can't like it. 210 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: I can only live in like this like created environment 211 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: or space or whatever, so that things just flow the 212 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: way that they're supposed to. But so long, eventually the 213 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: nurturing I care about you, I'm want everybody to win. 214 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: Whatever in me is like, Okay, I can't do this anymore, 215 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: And I think for me, I've always thought about it 216 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: like that, Like sometimes I feel like that comes back 217 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: to bite me in the butt, like caring about people 218 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: in a way that sometimes they don't care about me, 219 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: or just being very considerate of people in a way 220 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: that they're not considered of me. I feel like it's 221 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: the opposite of me, Like I've never been a person 222 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: who's just like nasty and like could like like I'm 223 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: not coming for you unless you send for me. And 224 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: every now and then I could be a little shady, 225 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: like I got my moments, but if I say something 226 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: and I feel a way, I stand on at least 227 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: in that moment. But even in those times, I've always 228 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: thought about like, Okay, your thought process and your opinion 229 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: of people change, Like me as a person, I've changed 230 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: today so much as I was last week, so much 231 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: as I was last month. So when I'm publicly given 232 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: opinions about people or reporting on people, Like I never 233 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: wanted to come off as if I'm trying to just 234 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: be nasty to a person or like anything like that, 235 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: because it's like I may feel a way in a 236 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: moment or feel a way based on certain things that's 237 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: in a you know, the media or the cycle, but 238 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: like you get to really know these people, or even 239 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: if not, even if you never really get to know 240 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: these people, you just move on with life. You experience things, 241 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: you may get put in the same positions, and literally 242 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: your thought process changes. So even if before that it 243 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: wasn't true, it's very true, and it's very different now, 244 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: where like I'm definitely one of them people where I'm like, 245 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: I tried my hardest to be fair. I try my 246 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: hardest to be fair. The people don't be thinking it's 247 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: a thing. There's so many people who think I'm just 248 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: like messy, and I'm like, that's not I tried so 249 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: hard to be fair because I think about how much 250 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: things I've messed up, how many crazy things I've done, 251 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: said or whatever, And I'm like, if someone was reporting 252 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: on me, the minimum I will want is for them 253 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: to be fair and for them to hear me out, 254 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: so heard them right, But I think it was in 255 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: hearing that and looking back on because you guys know 256 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: Whndy Williams came on to the Breakfast Club and like, 257 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: you know the first interview that Wendy Williams did where 258 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: she was breaking down crying just about her situation and 259 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: her guardianship. When we could take a listen to a 260 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: little bit of that, that interview, Sky pocketed everything for 261 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: Wendy in her fight against her conservatorship. You know, I 262 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: think I remember after we recorded the interview and he 263 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: asked me, like you think this is gonna be everywhere? 264 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: I was like, are you crazy? Like this is literally 265 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: going to stop the world tomorrow, because we taped it 266 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: one day, it was going to air the next morning, 267 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: and it did just that. But I also remember having 268 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: a conversation with Charlemagne when he had first said to me, 269 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: way before we did any interview. Charlamagne had said, you know, 270 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: Wendy Williams and I have been talking. She'd been reaching 271 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: out whatever, Like he said it so casually, and I 272 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: was like, wait, you and Wendy have been having conversation 273 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, you know, she been calling me, 274 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: this is what's going on, blah blah blah blah, And 275 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, why do you say anything, like do you 276 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: know that the world would literally like be on pins 277 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: and needles to know what you guys relationship was like today, 278 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: because even when Windy Williams did her documentary or when 279 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: whoever did it, because I know she's fighting that documentary 280 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: in court right with A and E in lifetime. Even 281 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: when that documentary happened, there was a lot of people 282 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: who were like trying to figure out if there was 283 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: any involvement from Charlemagne and why that part of her 284 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: life wasn't depicted more with him more active, and because 285 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: he's such a big name down and people wanted to 286 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: hear from him and just see his like take on 287 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: the story, which didn't happen. So I remember saying to him, like, yo, 288 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: people would love to hear that, but he was very 289 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: set on like, nah, that's not for the people like 290 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: she checking in. You know, I'm in a good place mentally. 291 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm just making sure she's straight. And at that point 292 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: he wasn't even doing much for her. It was just 293 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: like literally answering the phone. And then there was one 294 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: day he mentioned something about having a conversation with her. 295 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: So this was I wasn't on air at this point. 296 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: I was just producing the show, so I was behind 297 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: the scenes and Jess was on air. And in casual 298 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: conversation that day while we were from in the show, 299 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: Charlemagne had mentioned to me that it had spoken to 300 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: Wendy Williams, and I was asking him because there were 301 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: reports about, you know, just her health and all these things, 302 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, do you think she is 303 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: well enough to be able to get on radio or 304 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: do anything in that space, podcast, whatever the case may be. 305 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I think she's you know, ready, 306 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: And I said, can we talk about that on air? Well, 307 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: if I produce this segment and throw the oop, you 308 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: know where Jess is giving you a platform to be 309 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: able to say that, not a platform, but like a 310 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: segue to be able to say that, will you mention 311 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: that on air? Like are you comfortable with that? And 312 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: I was always very sensitive to it because, you know, 313 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: I understand the dynamic, especially coming from like a TMZ, 314 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: where there's a trauma in in this, like there's a there. 315 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: People don't understand that there can be a trauma in 316 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: working in the industry because this industry is so glamorized. 317 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: But I got it. I understood it. So when he 318 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: would have certain hesitations, I would get it. But I 319 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: remember asking him, like, you know, you're okay we're talking 320 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: about that, and he was like, yeah, I mean I 321 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: guess like people don't care about that. I'm like, yeah, 322 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: let's list. 323 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: I spoke to Windy over the holidays. He did, Yeah, 324 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 2: what happened? She was seemed perfectly fine to me, Like 325 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: he's like, she could do radio tomorrow. She wanted to 326 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: hein Nothing In facitated about Wendy Williams. 327 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 3: How was her energy? 328 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: How was she sounded like Wendy Williams trying to tell 329 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 2: you like there was there was? She didn't miss skip 330 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: a beat. She actually said to me when she called me, 331 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 2: she was like, why are you answering the phone? Like 332 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: we just we just spoke yesterday, We just talked last week. 333 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: She wanted me to be more excited. 334 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: Nothing inpacitated about windows. 335 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: So that clip picked up everywhere. I mean, People Magazine, 336 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: page six, Shade Room, Hollywood, un Lock, like black white, indifferent, 337 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: whatever media out you could think about naturally picked up 338 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: that clip, right, And it's because of the dynamic in 339 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: how I of a voice Charlemagne has become, but how 340 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: iconic of a voice Wendy Williams has been for so 341 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: many years. So to hear him talk about this, I'm like, Okay, 342 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: here's where a lot of the trauma is coming from. 343 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: And you know, people ask me all the time. We 344 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: haven't really leaned into the Wendy Williams stuff a lot 345 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: at all. I know, I talk about it here on 346 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: the podcast sometimes and I bring you guys updates, and 347 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm very honest when I bring you guys updates and 348 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: letting you know, like, Okay, I'll reach out to the 349 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: attorneys that I could reach out to. Haven't heard anything 350 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: back my correspondence with Wendy Williams team and even her. 351 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to Wendy Williams in months, like a 352 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: long time, but just her attorneys in general. What has 353 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: been you know, scarce to none because things are just 354 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: different behind the scenes now. And he got into that 355 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: a bit. Let's take a listen. 356 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: How do you feel about forgiveness for that type of stuff? 357 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 3: Like you said, you cut people are fast, right, but 358 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 3: like even in that moment, even in the moment with 359 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 3: Wendy and her saying get and you haven't apologized to 360 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 3: Kelly and just learning from that, and she forgived you 361 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 3: right clearly. I don't know, do you forgive yourself or 362 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 3: do you forgive other people or do you just kind 363 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: of cut people out like I would even imagine with 364 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 3: Wendy there had to be some type of I don't 365 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: know it is. 366 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 2: But you know, the thing with is like like earlier 367 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: this year, you know, we were helping her right because 368 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: she was in a bad situation. But then you know, 369 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: you see some things that remind you of that old 370 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: energy and you're like, I don't really want that in 371 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: my life. No, lover, wish you the best, you know, 372 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: glad we was able to connect her with certain people. 373 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: Then when you see even how she might have treated 374 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 2: to certain people you connected it with, you know, so 375 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: it's just like let me you know, I wish you 376 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 2: the best. No want the best for her, But that 377 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: was a season in my life. And I aways say, 378 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 2: people come into your life for you know, reasons, seasons, 379 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: and you know sometimes lifetimes those lifetime was are very rare, 380 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: but you know you appreciate the seasons and you know, 381 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: move on to the next. 382 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: One, and it was influential to you like it helped you. 383 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: Oh, man, I wouldn't be I probably wouldn't be in 384 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: the position I'm in now if it wasn't for that. 385 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: And I don't even like to have those type of 386 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: hypothetical conversations because the reality is I'm in the position 387 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: I am because that was part of my journey coming 388 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: from South Carolina. I was in Columbia at the time. 389 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: I think Columbia's market number ninety three to go from 390 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: market number ninety three the market number one being Wendy 391 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: Williams co host Like you who gets that kind of 392 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: look like that's some stuff you see in a movie, 393 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: you know, you watch on a TV show and be like, Yo, 394 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: that's damn near impossible. 395 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 3: You would have probably done anything she told you to do, right. 396 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, I did do damn anything you 397 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: told me to do. Yes, yeah, I was. I was 398 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: her a tag dog like not only that, I was 399 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: living with her, like living with them, like they were 400 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: giving me a place to stay. I wasn't getting paid. 401 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: I didn't get paid for like a year and a half. 402 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: But I do that though, And that's why I always 403 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: tell you the next generation recognize the opportunity when it's 404 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: not a pay check attached to it. 405 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: And when I heard this, mind you, this is the 406 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: first time I've ever heard him publicly speak about, you know, 407 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: where he is with forgiveness when it comes to Wendy 408 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: and just kind of right now where their relationship lies. 409 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, he's getting to a point where 410 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: this is like Charlomagne, like it's weird. It's like when 411 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: people experience like trauma and deal with traumatic people in 412 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: their life. I think sometimes dealing with those people can 413 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: take you back to the place that you were at 414 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: when you were being traumatized. Right. So, like Charlemagne the 415 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: God is a two hundred million dollar deal man in 416 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: a partnership with iHeartMedia in the Breakfast in the Breakfast 417 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: Club and you know Black Effect Podcast Network, But in 418 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: dealing with Wendy Williams, I think there are and I 419 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: don't know if he would say this, this is just 420 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: me from the outside looking in, and things that I 421 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: was always very careful about in pushing him of, Like 422 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I would have to call him and say, hey, 423 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: can you call such and such or has she called you? 424 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: When she calls you can you a like ask this 425 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: asks that, but in being very careful about like you 426 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: know how I know personally he has to deal with 427 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: this situation. What I took from it was I think 428 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: dealing with her takes him back to a lot of 429 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: the times in his life that he's moved on from 430 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: and has had to move on from because he's not 431 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: that attack dog anymore. And even though he can get there, 432 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, it's still so different. It's like 433 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: very like healed, it is very evolved or even on 434 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: the journey. I don't know if I don't know if 435 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: I would say like fully healed because he's still I mean, 436 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: little man. Anger is a thing. His legs still swinging 437 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: his seat, so he's always going to be angry. But 438 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, it's just a he's in 439 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: a different place now, But hearing him talk about this, 440 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, there's a part of him that always 441 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that he never returned to being 442 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: the person that like was in that position that needed her, 443 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: needed Wendy Williams so bad that he was willing to 444 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: do and say whatever, because you know, his career mattered, 445 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: Like you know, his family is depending on him. He's 446 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: depending on him, His career is depending on him. So 447 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: I got it at that point. But the first time 448 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: I ever heard him say that, and even like and 449 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean even to me, like in general, like I 450 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: knew that there were things going on like behind the scenes, 451 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: but like publicly, like when we're talking about it on 452 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: the show, he'd be quiet. He don't indulge at all. 453 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's like, you know, if you ain't 454 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: got nothing necess to say, you don't say nothing at all, 455 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: no beef, but just being honest. But they also got 456 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: into something that was like very very interesting. So Angie 457 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: Martinez back in ninety six did an interview with Tupac. 458 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: This was one of Tupac's final interviews. It happened months 459 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: before his passing. The interview was reportedly like an hour 460 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: forty five two hours long. I believe Angie Martinez says 461 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: it was an hour and forty minutes long in this 462 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: interview with Charlemagne. But history has it and as she's 463 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: ever told the story and what we've ever gotten to here, 464 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: she's only ever released a little bit under fifteen minutes 465 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: of the interview. Let's take listen to what she actually 466 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: released from back in that time and what's going down 467 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: with that? 468 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 3: So I wanted to get his view, and he goes 469 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: a little something. 470 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 4: The East coast West coast thing is a musical thing 471 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 4: that's separate. That's a whole thing separate to itself. That's 472 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 4: a musical thing where we have been beefing about whose 473 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 4: music is better or which is this? It has Because 474 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 4: I'm like a lightning rod, because I'm attacking New York's finus. 475 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 4: They're self proclaimed king of New York. 476 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 477 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 4: I'm attacking them so because nobody's separating themselves from the 478 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 4: talking about how yes, they were talking about raw he is. 479 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 4: He's a represented He represents New York. Yeah, every time, 480 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 4: every time it benefits New York, he represents New York 481 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 4: when it don't benefit New York. Now, he's just another rapper. 482 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 4: What y'all let him wear y'all colors? You let him shout, 483 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 4: y'all stout. When Biggie came out here, he screamed out, 484 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 4: Brooklyn's in the house. We don't beat to say, why 485 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 4: are you starting a war? Why is everybody when I 486 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 4: say West Side it hurt people feeling. 487 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 5: I don't think it's because you're saying west Side. 488 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: I think because you know O me. No, not at all. 489 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 5: I think it's because you know Dog Pound video came 490 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 5: out in New York, New York. 491 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying you was in the video. 492 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: I know you wasn't in the videos. 493 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 4: I didn't write it, I didn't produce to be so 494 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 4: let's say it in jail. The album was done while 495 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 4: I was in jail. That's separate it just you know 496 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 4: what it is. 497 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 5: It's it's it's New York's visualizing your camp, which to 498 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 5: them is death Row, which is dog Pound, which is Snoop? 499 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 5: And which is you know, which is that whole thing? 500 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 5: It was all one time the New York, New York 501 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 5: video came out. You know, Brothers was stepping on cars 502 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 5: in New York, stepping on you know, on New York 503 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 5: like they owned their boom. 504 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: You come out next video? 505 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 2: What about? 506 00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: What about the video? 507 00:25:59,760 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 508 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 4: Call to me it is the best coach and everybody 509 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 4: in New York feel like that too. That's why they 510 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 4: come out here in party. 511 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 2: Man, Why did everybody act. 512 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 4: Like I didn't say me to say to say, Cally 513 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 4: is the West Coast? I never said New York And 514 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 4: I never said New York is the worst coast. I 515 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 4: just said where I'm at, where I'm from, is the 516 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 4: best coast. 517 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: Why is that offending people? 518 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: Now? She says, the reason that she's only released that, 519 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: and she's always said this from the beginning to now, 520 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: is that during that time, she felt like, you know, 521 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: if she had released the full interview, it could have 522 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: made things way worse when it came to like the 523 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: East Coast West Coast beef and all the drama that 524 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: was happening because reportedly Tupac was naming names, he was 525 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: you know, talking about like political concerns and like just 526 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the different things that he was discussing 527 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: and full and in depth she didn't think would be helpful. Now, 528 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: this conversation when she had it with Charlemagne about the 529 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: the you know, Tupac tapes and all of that, it 530 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: came up, and to me, it sounds like she's willing 531 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: to do it, maybe like like a maybe, but like 532 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: kind of on like the warmer side of maybe leaning 533 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: into Okay, I'll do it, But I think she just 534 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: wants it to be very responsible if she does it, 535 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: because now nowadays in her career Angie Martinez the Voice 536 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: of New York in twenty twenty five, It's not Angie 537 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: Martinez the Voice of New York. She was in the nineties. 538 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: Who you know, she was grinding, she was trying to 539 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: get on. She needed the moments, not even need it, 540 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: but that was her job. 541 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: Then. 542 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: Now she's iconic, she's legendary. She can be so much 543 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: more responsible with her platform because it's her show, it's 544 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: her say, so let's take a listen. 545 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny to even talk about it because I 546 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 3: don't know. I just like somebody asked me the other day, 547 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 3: if I would interview Puff if he came out, would 548 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: you I'd have to think about it. It wouldn't be be 549 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 3: a younger me would say, of course, it's my job. 550 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely yes. Now I'd have to say, what kind of 551 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: offering would that be to the world? Would it be 552 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: worth it for me? Do I want to put myself 553 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: in that noise? Can I do something really meaningful? 554 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: You know? 555 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: I'd have to ask myself some questions like that. It's 556 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 3: not just a yes, I'll do it because because it'll 557 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 3: be huge. I mean, I say no the huge things 558 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: all the time. 559 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: That's what I love about you. I mean, you know, 560 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 2: it is so funny. Debbie Brown, who's a great friend 561 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: of mine's my good sister. She literally said she texted 562 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: me like two days ago and was like, yo, because 563 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: she loves Tupac like I'm talking about it. She's the 564 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: person that haunted me exactly. She she loves two Box. 565 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: She was like, yo, Angie really needs to put out 566 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: the TAC audio. Debbie Brown, maybe it's time then, And 567 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: I said to her, I said, well, you know, she 568 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: never wanted to put it out because you know, she 569 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: thought would be inflammatory. Right. 570 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: I know there's a rumor on the internet that Puff 571 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 3: somehow paid me for those tapes, Like I like, I 572 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 3: held those tapes for all those years so that Puff 573 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 3: could pay me. It's absolutely there's zero truth to that 574 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: but that but you're right, that's why that's why I 575 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: never did it. And then now I think, for what 576 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 3: is the point Now? There's nothing there that changes history 577 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 3: or changes but I know people are interested. 578 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: So I think people want to break it down psychologically 579 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: because there's this let's do it. 580 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 3: You want to do it with me, you want to do. 581 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 2: Like that'd be amazing, Let's do it because she you 582 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: know what it is, I think people. 583 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think, I mean, I want to hear. 584 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: If I'm being honest with you, I want to hear. 585 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: I want to especially now being so much being so 586 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: much more in the mix of like all of like 587 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: that like stuff, right, So knowing Angie Martinez personally and 588 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: like knowing her spirit and like we're not like besties, 589 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, but like she's someone that 590 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: like looking up to and this of course, and you 591 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: just being able to have interacted with her and experience 592 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: and in real life and her spirit in real life, 593 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: and knowing everything that happened after, you know, months after 594 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: with you know, the shooting of Tupac and a Biggie 595 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: and like all of the conversations that happened, and there's 596 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: just been so much that has been speculated and so 597 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: much that we've had to learn and experience and hear 598 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: secondhand in the history of this conversation that I don't know, 599 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: like I would just love to be able to not 600 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: just hear about that right East Coast, West Coast, because 601 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: I think that they're you know, they've they had there 602 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: was community conversation in that there was let's talk about 603 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: a lack of money and amongst us as like our 604 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: community and what we could do if there was more, 605 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: and what wouldn't be happening when it comes to beef 606 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: and the back and forth and all that if there 607 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: was more. Like I feel like there's so much of 608 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: like a political stance and a community advocate in Tupac 609 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: that we know him to be anyway that you I mean, 610 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 1: you get a sense of that period right in music 611 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: and interviews and all that. But I don't know. I 612 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: just think Angie Martinez has always been able to take 613 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: people to a different place than anyone else has. And 614 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: she mentioned in this interview with Charlotmagne that her and 615 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: didn't know each other super personally. He had reached out 616 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: to her to interview with her when he did because 617 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: he had been he'd heard her interviews when he was 618 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: locked up, so he felt comfortable with her, right And 619 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean, she's just been really good at what she 620 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: does for a very long time. So to hear him 621 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: in that space, knowing her, knowing her spirit, you know, 622 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: and just I don't know, I think that it would 623 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: be a history lesson that we'd be able to hear 624 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: and listen to while knowing so much other stuff that 625 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: has occurred, Like I think it might even like correct 626 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: some of the myths about the whole, like the beef, 627 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: the back and forth, and I don't know, I just 628 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: I just think hearing it from the person is always 629 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: different than hearing about it and hearing about the person 630 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: about the things that happen when it comes to a person. 631 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: So I'm interested in hearing that. And I just also 632 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: think too because there was an interesting put in an 633 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: interview where they were talking about whether, like how Tupac 634 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: would have evolved, and she was very honest and saying 635 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: that you know, from her conversations with him, she thinks 636 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: that he would have evolved like a jay Z, but 637 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: like you know, would have been really into community in 638 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: school and all that. But let's say it. 639 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: Listen, we realized Pap wasn't as crazy as people thought. 640 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 3: And also he was young. 641 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: He was very young. 642 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: He hadn't gone through the imagine PUC after therapy. 643 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: Healed when you thin that was a twenty four to 644 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: twenty five, Yes, twenty four, so his full front through 645 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: cortex wasn't even full. 646 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying. Imagine him going through how 647 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 3: the other side of Charlotte Mae. Imagine the other side 648 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 3: of Pac, what that would have been I would see. 649 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 3: Then then I look at the tapes and I go, well, 650 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 3: now that has meaning. If I release it in a 651 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 3: way where it actually has meaning and does something good 652 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: for the world, I want to just put it out 653 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: so people could talk about it and have it on 654 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 3: the internet. 655 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: I just think it would be good to hear things 656 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: about Tupac from Tupac. I mean, there are so many, 657 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: like I've watched so many interviews online on YouTube, like 658 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, like from MTV and like just you know, 659 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: different eras of like cultural history that as much as 660 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: I can on Tubac, just because I've always been really, 661 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: really curious just about for him to be so young, he. 662 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: Was so. 663 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: I don't like him when people say, like he was 664 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: so young, but he was so smart and tuned in, 665 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: because I feel like all my friends from young have 666 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: been very in tune what's going on in the world, 667 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: and you know, what's affecting us and what's not. But 668 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: one of the things I feel like as a young 669 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: person I wasn't sure about was myself and my identity 670 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: and where I studied all of that, and he didn't 671 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: he don't see he that wasn't him. He was very 672 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: sure about himself where he stood, what his mission was. 673 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it couldn't lighten and I 674 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: think with the right guardrails, you know. But I do 675 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: understand her hesitancy because I think people lost their not 676 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 1: I think, I know, we know people lost their lives 677 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: in that situation. People lost family members, you know, friends. 678 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: That was a very traumatic time. I saw jadakiss on 679 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: Joe and Jada, you know, talking to Tony Yayo and 680 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: Uncle Murder and Uncle Murder just about being in LA 681 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: with Biggie at the time that he was killed and 682 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: not connecting the two. But I mean it's the same 683 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: you know that East Coast, West coast them to dying 684 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: is like the same conversation. You have it the same way. 685 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: Every time you talk about one, you talk about the other. 686 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: But he said, he still shakes when he rides down 687 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: that street. Right. So there are a lot of people 688 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: that those tapes will bring back a lot of a 689 00:34:54,560 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: lot of memories, a lot of feelings for But maybe 690 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: there's some good that we can find in it that 691 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: it'll do. I think people will listen. I don't think 692 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people anymore that people listen to 693 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: because everything is just so clouded and just so loud 694 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: and just so like you got to really focus in, 695 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: like dilute to really get to the cream of the 696 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: crop of the people you should be listening to and 697 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: all that. I think it would cut through for a 698 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: lot of people. So I think it could do some 699 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: good to Anjie Martinez's point of why she never put 700 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: it out certain parts of it anyway. I don't know 701 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: what's discussed on there, nings he's calling out and all 702 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: of that, but I do think that there are certain parts, 703 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: especially knowing how radical Tupac was against, you know, government 704 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: and the structures and the day and time we end 705 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: the day, you know what I'm saying, Like hear him 706 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: speak unfiltered, might just be we need at the end 707 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: of the day. There is always a lot to talk about, 708 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: and y'all join me here every single episode My Low 709 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: Riders to talk about it. It's the latest with Loura 710 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: La Roads of the podcast, my Low writers. I appreciate 711 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: you guys. I don't will see in my next episode. 712 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 2: M