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Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp, He's your favorite number eighty five, the best
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Speaker 2: Let's jump right into it. Ohoe, we got a lot
Speaker 2: to cover.
Speaker 1: The night, the Seahawks beat the Eagles twenty to seventeen.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks were four to twelve on third downs entering
Speaker 1: the final drive. They trailed all game, but with two
Speaker 1: fill in starters, they came in when they needed to
Speaker 1: two interceptions by Julian Love, a ninety two yard game
Speaker 1: winning drive by backup July capped off by js N
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jack and Nick jigbum Jick.
Speaker 2: His second game with a touchdown scored the season.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurst was seventeen to thirty one touchdowns during the
Speaker 1: seven Oh ta let me start this off, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: in a situation like this, Yes, you know the number
Speaker 1: one thing we say, nothing cheap, nothing deep, Nothing cheap,
Speaker 1: nothing deep.
Speaker 2: Yes, Brad, Brad, you got one responsibility.
Speaker 1: God dang it, you had just got beat up the
Speaker 1: rail B DGK so that you didn't learn your lesson
Speaker 1: on that one.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna press again. I'm gonna do it again.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you and now you give up a
Speaker 1: game when it touchdown they need it. The only way
Speaker 1: you lose that game, O joyes a touchdown, Bill go
Speaker 1: does them no good? Why are you up there trying
Speaker 1: to press?
Speaker 4: But I think, I think, I think, okay, before you finish,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you finish. Go ahead, and brad Berry's case,
Speaker 4: I think brad Bury is a little bit more comfortable
Speaker 4: and situational football like that, or maybe just in general
Speaker 4: being up and pressing and being able to get hands
Speaker 4: on her, being able to get hands on the receiver
Speaker 4: and trying to find leverage that way. Okay, that it
Speaker 4: just so happened in this instant and then work out.
Speaker 5: In his favor. But go ahead and finish your point.
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, do you realize that you have a lead.
Speaker 1: The only way you lose that game if you get
Speaker 1: him up a touchdown.
Speaker 2: You're touchdown. You're right, you can't say.
Speaker 1: Because I'm more comfortable what is in the best interest
Speaker 1: of the team at that point in time. You throw
Speaker 1: what is most comfortable for you out of the window.
Speaker 1: Second of all, why are you playing single high. I'm glad, right,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you say that, because obviously the defensive coordinat
Speaker 4: made a certain call. The defensive coordinator made a call
Speaker 4: based on based on the situation and what he felt
Speaker 4: the players he had out there were most comfortable in,
Speaker 4: and that would be single high and bad break. Excuse me,
Speaker 4: let me slow down, because I'm talking to damn Fast
Speaker 4: and Brad Burry playing bump and run, which is why
Speaker 4: they win single high, because he trusted them because if
Speaker 4: he felt there was a weakness, if he felt that
Speaker 4: there was a weakness in that certain coverage, then he wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Have a minute.
Speaker 4: He didn't mean get you. You gotta beat at the
Speaker 4: most unopportune time.
Speaker 1: Yes, And and the thing is is that slaves on
Speaker 1: the other side they're picking on you. What does that
Speaker 1: tell you if a team was willing to go at
Speaker 1: supposedly your best corner, now your other.
Speaker 2: Corner, your all other pro Bowl, all pro.
Speaker 1: Corner, he's out And they say, you know what, we
Speaker 1: don't care. We don't want the guy on the other
Speaker 1: side that's filling in, We don't want to backup.
Speaker 2: What does that say about you? Ojo? Let that thingureut.
Speaker 1: I want people at home that's hearing me I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do like you, Ojo, I'm gonna slow down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't pick on the guy that replaced Darius Slave.
Speaker 1: They went and picked on the guy that supposedly is
Speaker 1: their best corner. You have one job. Nothing cheap, nothing deep, deep.
Speaker 1: You gave up d DK up the rail. Okay, you
Speaker 1: gave that up. You said, what damn? Maybe that's your
Speaker 1: back off on this situation that was that was a
Speaker 1: good catch. Now, that was a hell of a catch.
Speaker 1: That was a hell of a catch. That was a
Speaker 1: hell of a catch. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. So in
Speaker 1: other word, nothing should be behind you.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, especially in that situation, Thank you, O Joe.
Speaker 1: This is not the first quarter. There's less than a
Speaker 1: minute in the ball game. The only way you lose
Speaker 1: this game is if you give up a touchdown. It
Speaker 1: does them no good to try and get in field
Speaker 1: goal range. They need seven in order to beat you,
Speaker 1: and you give that up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So do you put the owners of this loss
Speaker 4: on the defensive coordinator or you just or just strictly
Speaker 4: bad bear, Because obviously there's a play call that comes in.
Speaker 4: The linebacker sets the call makes the call for the defense,
Speaker 4: and they just line up and execute with his call
Speaker 4: from the defensive coordinator sitting up in the sky.
Speaker 5: So who you put it on?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Remember I've been telling y'all, I said, L Joe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that secondary can be had? How many how long have
Speaker 1: I been telling you that secondary can be had?
Speaker 2: How many times have I told you?
Speaker 1: I watched Sam Howd throw for three ninety four and
Speaker 1: four touchdowns. I watched what Dak Prescott like the ass up?
Speaker 1: I watched Rock Party like they ass up? Everybody has
Speaker 1: lit them up? So what is that? What doesn't the
Speaker 1: defensive courd? What does the defensive coordinator know that? I
Speaker 1: don't right, he's right there, he's taking it off on tape.
Speaker 1: They're terrible on the back end. And now you're one
Speaker 1: of your best guys. He's out and you still want
Speaker 1: to with even when you're at full strength.
Speaker 2: Your secondary is getting toasted.
Speaker 1: And so you mean to tell me, with a couple
Speaker 1: of guys out, you wanting to play that same coverage. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't know Dre, but when I watched Bradburry, I've
Speaker 1: never been impressed with his cover skills. I don't look
Speaker 1: at him as a I don't look at him as
Speaker 1: a ram Jalen ramsay, I don't look at him as
Speaker 1: I don't look at him as those guys. I think
Speaker 1: he opens the gate to much. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: nearly physical enough. He's up in press coverage, but he
Speaker 1: ain't putting hands on people. I mean, in this situation,
Speaker 1: you cannot.
Speaker 4: Give that up right right, But I mean, and another
Speaker 4: thing excuses for him.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 5: Make the seasons because we said we saw, we saw
Speaker 5: what happened.
Speaker 4: Again playing defense, playing corner, which I think, and I've
Speaker 4: said it multiple times, I think playing defensive back is
Speaker 4: the most difficult position on the field outside of playing
Speaker 4: the quarterback position. And in an unfortunate opportune time, you
Speaker 4: give up a TV when it mattered most to get
Speaker 4: a goddamn stop for a minute left to going to
Speaker 4: goddamn Clark if anything, listen, if anything.
Speaker 2: If I was brad Bury and I was a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: And and it was a little unsettling for me to
Speaker 4: be in bump and run in that setting, you know what,
Speaker 4: I would have walked my ass right on off and
Speaker 4: played at seven Reet McKee, Reid mckey's read the three
Speaker 4: step and then get my ass back on back on
Speaker 4: the receiver and then if he's going deep, then you
Speaker 4: already in position to make a play on the.
Speaker 2: Ball, right right.
Speaker 4: But then then you gotta worry about getting chewed out
Speaker 4: for not following the instructions of the goddamn defensive court
Speaker 4: coordinator and the play that he defensive player that he
Speaker 4: did call.
Speaker 1: And then they put the other guy on it. They said, no,
Speaker 1: DK going on what you don't have you done? Have had
Speaker 1: your full love him? Hey, hey, JSN, you take it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, don't say it. Don't say it
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1: I mean for you, for for I mean, and I've
Speaker 1: been in situation where I've had coaches to tell us,
Speaker 1: you make sure the starter doesn't get hurt because his
Speaker 1: backup is better than he is. So what we would
Speaker 1: do that you'll get around the power. Oh yo, we
Speaker 1: put my arm. I don't want you to get rolled
Speaker 1: up because the guy is backing you up here, gonna
Speaker 1: tear my ass up when he comes here. So make
Speaker 1: sure I make sure I'm gonna get you for folk quarters.
Speaker 1: I ain't dealing with that. That's joke from the fireline.
Speaker 1: And so for them to break to for DK to
Speaker 1: DK beating him, that's no problem. DK is a pro
Speaker 1: Bowl wide receiver. He's a veteran wide receiver, a big
Speaker 1: body guy. And here, why the hell you trying to
Speaker 1: press DK? You know he wants to play through contact anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right.
Speaker 4: But another thing again, in the case of Bradbury, bigger
Speaker 4: receivers struggle. When you can attack him at the line first,
Speaker 4: you get a little bit of an advantage. If they
Speaker 4: can't they can't get off, if they can't get their
Speaker 4: hands off you, then you could win. You could win
Speaker 4: that battle a bigger target. Yeah, down a little bit
Speaker 4: and maybe maybe get a little advantage. It didn't work
Speaker 4: in that case.
Speaker 2: On the slimp. It didn't work, with the with the PI,
Speaker 2: it didn't work. And it didn't work on the deep ball.
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, that's good. If you technically sound like a
Speaker 1: long armed Rivers, Revers was technically sound. Was never Revers
Speaker 1: was never going for the first move. Oh no, he
Speaker 1: wasn't biting that. You dance a lot of sam And.
Speaker 5: This is this is the thing about Revers.
Speaker 4: That two thousand and nine season was so special, and
Speaker 4: I don't think people understand how special it was. I
Speaker 4: always talk about That's one of the first things I
Speaker 4: talk about when I talk about Rivers. Listen, you know, Salamon,
Speaker 4: you know how many people oh Sally may you know
Speaker 4: how pay You know how patient Sally mad has to be.
Speaker 4: She ain't never getting the motherfucking loans back anybody paying them.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of patience Revers had.
Speaker 5: That's the part. There's only one playoff.
Speaker 4: There's only one player I've ever seen in the history
Speaker 4: of revers career that I've ever seen actually get him,
Speaker 4: and that was a great Stevie Johnson consisting.
Speaker 2: Where you gotta be quick fast, which a bigger up every.
Speaker 4: Every time. This man was so motherfucking stroke. Should I
Speaker 4: curse my bad God forgive me? He was so strong
Speaker 4: and he had an arm bar. He had an arm bar.
Speaker 4: His ball skills was elite. Yeah, everything about him was elite.
Speaker 2: Was It was great. So think that the.
Speaker 4: Chance of us seeing anything like that again, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be a long time coming.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a very long time coming. He was
Speaker 1: great at riding you to the sideline. He's gonna bar you,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he gonna look out.
Speaker 1: But he's gonna be riding. He's gonna be riding you
Speaker 1: to the sidelight thing.
Speaker 4: You know, he's gonna play that ball now he had
Speaker 4: he had elite ball skills. He was eliting and bumping,
Speaker 4: run and just just just everything pure quality. That two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine season was special. That'll never ever be
Speaker 4: replicated or duplicated.
Speaker 1: And let's go to the other side. Jalen Hurts, I'm
Speaker 1: a firm believer.
Speaker 2: Now. I've been telling y'all, they turning the ball, Shannon,
Speaker 2: they win it.
Speaker 1: You're a hater, I said, remember, oh your what's my
Speaker 1: favorite saying? You never accept anything in a win, win
Speaker 1: a loss. If you didn't have problems when they was winning,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have problems with the turnovers right now.
Speaker 2: But you do. And when I was.
Speaker 1: Trying to explain to you, there are things that I
Speaker 1: see in Jalen Hurts, he's turning the ball over more
Speaker 1: than we've ever seen. But we're winning. We're this and that.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to hear what I gotta say. But
Speaker 1: guess what I bet I got your undivided attention now, Dona,
Speaker 1: I got your Philly fans. I got your full and
Speaker 1: undivided attention. I bet I do not donor Oh what
Speaker 1: you know loud?
Speaker 2: Now? What you know? I know more than your thinks.
Speaker 2: I don't know everything.
Speaker 1: I know a little bit about everything, though, and I
Speaker 1: know there are certain things. And what I try to
Speaker 1: do is that I point things out so when it happens,
Speaker 1: you're not surprised, you're not surprised by it. Jalen Hurst
Speaker 1: was turning the ball. Now, I'm not saying that he's
Speaker 1: not injured, but he doesn't look the same to me,
Speaker 1: and he had looked the same since he injured that leg.
Speaker 1: But the ball, he's turning it over interceptions, He's fumbling
Speaker 1: the football.
Speaker 2: That's increased.
Speaker 1: Now, when that increases, your probability of winning decreases. Now,
Speaker 1: on the other side, your defense isn't what they were
Speaker 1: last year. They're not attacking the quarterback like they once did.
Speaker 1: They're not turning teams over like they could last year. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, when the turnovers was down, you
Speaker 1: guys was taking the ball away and sacking the quarterback.
Speaker 2: That's what you got.
Speaker 1: You got a team that looked was very impressive from
Speaker 1: start to finish, got all the way to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: It within a couple of minutes of winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Now basically the same team. Now you could say, oh,
Speaker 1: we got this got No, No, it's not, it's not.
Speaker 1: Your turnovers aren't the same, and I'm and each year
Speaker 1: that's why you have So that's why it's so hard
Speaker 1: to repeat. That's why they've been so few a rep
Speaker 1: super Bowl winners and even teams that lose the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl to get back, that's why it's so impressive what
Speaker 1: Buffalo did.
Speaker 2: Buffalo got back four times four executive tiers three three
Speaker 2: or four was four four?
Speaker 1: That was four, yes, yeah, ninety one, ninety two, ninety
Speaker 1: three and lost all four and.
Speaker 2: Lost all four. You will never see that again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, most definitely. But you know, Jayleen Jalen was
Speaker 4: seventeen for thirty one three. Obviously, do turnovers and with
Speaker 4: the with the back end of the defense playing as
Speaker 4: bad as it is and not being able to take
Speaker 4: away the ball as much as they should turn it all.
Speaker 4: Listen that too, in the offense not tacking on all
Speaker 4: cylinders like they should.
Speaker 5: Listen.
Speaker 4: The Philly we used to seeing scoring twenty one, twenty eight,
Speaker 4: sometimes thirty, but they not putting up the points like
Speaker 4: that and then when the defense ain't taking the ball
Speaker 4: away from you, those possitions that you do have an
Speaker 4: offense matter maximum that much more. You got to maximize them.
Speaker 4: You got to maximize them.
Speaker 1: So when you if your defense isn't taking away, what
Speaker 1: can't you do on offense?
Speaker 2: You can give it away? No you can't, you can't.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's the problem to have. Hey, I
Speaker 1: want y'all to know I hit that parlay. Y'all been
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Speaker 2: Swear we got them yard Okay, you hit the parlay? Okay?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? On draft kings hit the yardage? How do
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Speaker 1: They got I got three and a half. I didn't
Speaker 1: really need it because they won.
Speaker 2: What else did?
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Speaker 5: Hey, Kenny, Hey, Kenny Keny Walkman's cutting.
Speaker 2: Yeah you talk.
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Speaker 2: Into something nice. You know, you know it's good right
Speaker 2: around the corner. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 4: You know it's good for the Philly fans or for
Speaker 4: the for the team in general. The remaining schedule, I
Speaker 4: think they're gonna be alright. The remaining schedule is the Giants,
Speaker 4: the Giants, the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: They got Jazz, they got the Giants twice, or they
Speaker 2: got the Giants.
Speaker 1: Commanders. I think they got the Giants, Cardinals, Commanders Giants
Speaker 1: Cardinals commanders.
Speaker 2: Is that right? Is this the commanders? I thought they
Speaker 2: played the commander.
Speaker 5: They didn't play the commanders twice already or on my tripping,
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know either way. Giants, Cardinals, Giants, Giants, Giants, they got
Speaker 2: the Giants, Giants, Cardinal Giants. Where there you go.
Speaker 4: You definitely, you definitely can go into the playoffs with
Speaker 4: someone win them and being able to fix those issues
Speaker 4: with the three with the three teams you got to
Speaker 4: play next well, two two teams.
Speaker 1: But let me ask your question, sir, what you what
Speaker 1: you think those teams playing the Eagles thinking hey we
Speaker 1: can get us to win to close out the season.
Speaker 1: We might not be going nowhere, but misery loves company.
Speaker 1: I know that when I was gonna make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to yours. Yeah, exactly right right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be done on Monday. Guess what who else? Guess who
Speaker 1: else gonna get a healthy tragy bag you because you're
Speaker 1: gonna be cleaning out your s h I T two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, you I ain't gonna be the only one
Speaker 2: going home.
Speaker 5: They're not gonna fall that bad down. They're not gonna
Speaker 5: fall that bad right now.
Speaker 4: They they fall to the fifth seed right now, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then they will be in the playoffs. They're not
Speaker 4: gonna fall that bad. But again, mistakes that need to
Speaker 4: be corrected these next two games. I'm gonna just say two,
Speaker 4: because they play the Giants twice.
Speaker 2: You're playing teams for those mistakes can be corrected, and
Speaker 2: you're gonna have.
Speaker 4: To and that that back that that back end. They
Speaker 4: got to be able to do something. And it all
Speaker 4: starts with that front end. That front end gotta pick
Speaker 4: up a slack. The front end gotta pick up a
Speaker 4: slack to make it easier for the back end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the front end don't.
Speaker 4: If the front end don't get there, the backing don
Speaker 4: gonna keep getting exposed every time.
Speaker 2: Bro, you do realize they got beat by Drew Locke,
Speaker 2: you know, like you lock but you was the day
Speaker 2: of a slang and that thing.
Speaker 5: Man, I know, I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'll talk about the Phillip standpoint. I mean,
Speaker 1: he made some throw on that last drive. He was insatiable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gotta to see the ball placement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that throw the JSN yes, and the one
Speaker 1: the DK Yeah he had he had to get that
Speaker 1: up and down before the safety.
Speaker 2: Got off it.
Speaker 4: When nobody gonna catch that ball except the football the
Speaker 4: person that was thrown to a Moses.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: DK had an unbelievable game, Uh, sir, big snow said
Speaker 1: Ojo Deebo said, Brad Barry with trash.
Speaker 2: He did. But you that's right. That was them going
Speaker 2: at it on Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: You but you know, o Jo, like when one player
Speaker 1: says that, I try to take that with a grain
Speaker 1: of salt. A lot of its game mischell and sometimes,
Speaker 1: but sometimes a player will tell you how he really
Speaker 1: feels the player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. You know, I don't think they
Speaker 4: like each other. That that's very seldom. That's very seldom
Speaker 4: that happens.
Speaker 1: But you know, O Joe, I don't let that. I
Speaker 1: don't let what one player says about another player. I
Speaker 1: don't let that sway me on what I think about
Speaker 1: that player. I'm gonna watch him and I'm gonna critique
Speaker 1: based on what I see and my intimate knowledge of
Speaker 1: the game. Now, if somebody says he's trash, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't really like to say that, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying to myself, Yeah, he ain't
Speaker 1: very good. He might not be trash, but he pretty close.
Speaker 1: He recyclable trash. Go ahead, he recyclable. Clifton Gordon said
Speaker 1: Brad Barry is definitely overrated. Can't stand him anymore. However,
Speaker 1: much blame should go to the O. C. Brian Johnson
Speaker 1: with the harbor play call with the first seven minutes
Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter. And plus I don't know why
Speaker 1: Russ had to take that chance of that first interception.
Speaker 1: He didn't need to take that chance that I was covered. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not a J.
Speaker 2: Brown.
Speaker 1: You don't give your third I understand that situation. I
Speaker 1: think they played somebody. Uh who was that?
Speaker 2: They played somebody and the third receiver made a play for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the kiss. You know exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. The Kills made a play for. But more
Speaker 1: time than not, you give your number one receiver AJ
Speaker 1: that opportunity, or maybe a DeVante Smith, But the third
Speaker 1: and fourth.
Speaker 2: Receiver, you're gonna give them that opportunity. No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I look, I trust him.
Speaker 1: But there's a reason why they they they traded what
Speaker 1: they traded, and they paid AJ Brown. There's a reason
Speaker 1: why you drafted uh DeVante with the within the top
Speaker 1: ten of the draft. There's a reason why. I just
Speaker 1: don't understand why he took that chance. Did they and
Speaker 1: plus that last throw? Did they have any time out
Speaker 1: because they got a kicker that remember o Jo?
Speaker 4: They had two left, if I'm not mistaken, the D
Speaker 4: ball the DE ball they Why.
Speaker 1: Would he do that because he got a kicker that
Speaker 1: could kick it sixty yards?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was thinking.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about that because they had timeouts left.
Speaker 4: Maybe a dig some.
Speaker 2: Short the middle of the field. Out the middle of
Speaker 2: the field. You don't have to worry about the sidelines.
Speaker 1: You can throw the ball to the middle of the
Speaker 1: field because you have time out timeout.
Speaker 4: You had two at that I mean as only as
Speaker 4: thirteen seconds. You had one play and a timeout.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yes, all I need, Hey, all you needed. Probably you
Speaker 1: probably needed about ten fifteen yards. Okay, I get up
Speaker 1: there and call my time out. I got one two seconds.
Speaker 1: Let me see if my field goal, my field goal
Speaker 1: kicker can get me into overtime. You watched them kick
Speaker 1: a sixty or sixty one yard and fifty nine yard
Speaker 1: just a week ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got a big leg, got a big leg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so tj Elsworth ass fuck uncle Schey. Say, do
Speaker 1: you believe on both Hurts interceptions there was PI? And
Speaker 1: if so, does that standards an interception when that's an
Speaker 1: obvious Finally, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a PI. I don't.
Speaker 1: I think it was a poor I think both of
Speaker 1: them with poor decisions. I think the ball was thrown poorly.
Speaker 2: That's just me. I mean maybe you saw p I,
Speaker 2: but I did know Joe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean that's tough, and with the way
Speaker 4: the rest are making the calls now where they called
Speaker 4: it every goddamn thing. They throwing the god damn they're throwing.
Speaker 4: They throwing flag like like yellow handkerchiefs right now, you know,
Speaker 4: they call it everything. And that's that's what I don't like,
Speaker 4: is the fact that the focal point is now on
Speaker 4: holding and roughing the passers and and at all sides,
Speaker 4: on all sides, it's what It's watering down the floor
Speaker 4: of the game. It's watering down the floor of the game.
Speaker 4: Whether they just call they just nitpicking. So if you
Speaker 4: want a nick pick, obviously depending on if you run
Speaker 4: one hundred plates, honestly, you can call it. You can
Speaker 4: call some type of penalty on every single play, every time,
Speaker 4: every time. And I hope the game doesn't come to
Speaker 4: that where they nitpick on every single play and it
Speaker 4: just disrupts the floor of a game. But that's that's
Speaker 4: that's the route we're going.
Speaker 1: Friendly neighborhood kids said as a Hawks, as a Hawks fan,
Speaker 1: we came out with the win, but I think we
Speaker 1: still need to move on from Pete. What do you
Speaker 1: guys think. I don't think Pete's going anywhere. I think
Speaker 1: they hit their wagon to Pete. For the most part,
Speaker 1: you see all the legions of Boom with the exception
Speaker 1: they brought Bobby Wagner back, but with the exception of
Speaker 1: be Wagged, the legion of Booner is no more. Russell
Speaker 1: is out of there. So now see, Allen is basically
Speaker 1: known for Pete Carroll mm hm.
Speaker 2: And so I think.
Speaker 1: The Allen Paul Allen's sister, who owns the who runs
Speaker 1: the who owns it? And John Schneider and those guys,
Speaker 1: I think I think they're peats.
Speaker 2: Not I don't believe Pete's going anywhere. That's just me personally.
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think? Why? Why? Why would
Speaker 2: he leave? No?
Speaker 1: I think he said he thinks they should move on
Speaker 1: from Pete. And my question is, what do you think
Speaker 1: you're gonna get better than Pete?
Speaker 2: That too? Had that?
Speaker 5: That that too?
Speaker 2: That's the way I missed one.
Speaker 1: Jose Castro Rios, did tonight show the weakness in the
Speaker 1: second day of the Eagles? What you mean tonight? What
Speaker 1: have you been for four months? I've been telling y'all this,
Speaker 1: but y'all don't think I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: So you know what, Ocho. What used to irge me,
Speaker 1: especially when I was on CBS, is that people don't
Speaker 1: think if you know, they didn't play the quarterback position,
Speaker 1: they don't think you know anything about football. Only the quarterback,
Speaker 1: study film, only the quarterback practice. Only the quarterback knew all.
Speaker 1: But what the hell you thought I was doing? You
Speaker 1: thought I just went to get you know, I went
Speaker 1: to get candy bars I was. I mean, what you
Speaker 1: think I was doing there? I watched Tate, I studied
Speaker 1: the game. I mean people that played with me and
Speaker 1: my coaches, they would tell you that I'm a student
Speaker 1: of the game.
Speaker 2: I understand the game. You had to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I try to keep it as simple as
Speaker 1: I possibly can. I don't like to get into the
Speaker 1: intricace of it. You know what I'm saying? A nine
Speaker 1: technique of why nine shade seven high five and now
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, don't getting all that you
Speaker 1: know you're talking about?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, then they didn't cover six six kicks? Couple four?
Speaker 1: Okay, there's seven then cloud Come on, man, y'all not
Speaker 1: gonna understand that. Basically what y'all understand is covered too.
Speaker 1: Sll how look at it you safety for single high
Speaker 1: safety safety in the middle of the field, all that
Speaker 1: you know, robber alert, Jordan, you know, I feel Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what that means.
Speaker 2: That's a band Joe. That means we bracketed somebody or.
Speaker 5: We're passing it off one of the other.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey he if he if he comes in there,
Speaker 1: you got it. If he called it back, I'm here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, listen.
Speaker 4: That that's that ship get exotic. Now that ship get
Speaker 4: exotic and complicated.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And this is what I like about defense too. Okayhead, no,
Speaker 4: go ahead, I want to. I said, this is what
Speaker 4: I like about personnel. And the better you personnel, the
Speaker 4: more skilled players that you do have, the more exotic,
Speaker 4: and the more in the deeper your playbook.
Speaker 5: Good defensively.
Speaker 4: Listen, some of that stuff the Raven used to want
Speaker 4: to run into two thousands, some of the stuff that
Speaker 4: Steelers used to run into two thousands.
Speaker 2: Only they could run that.
Speaker 5: Stuff based on the personnel they had.
Speaker 4: I saw defense one time with with Polamalu and I
Speaker 4: can't remember and Ryan Clark before to snap of the ball,
Speaker 4: I tell you no, lie, I tell you no lie.
Speaker 4: If I'm lying, I'm flying everybody was at the line
Speaker 4: of scrimmage to snap of the ball. Before to snap
Speaker 4: of the ball, everybody was at the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 4: and it was some type of exotic bluff. Right before
Speaker 4: the ball snapped, everybody shot up out of there so
Speaker 4: fast to get to wherever their responsibilities were.
Speaker 5: I'm like that in the hell m I ain't never
Speaker 5: seen nothing like that.
Speaker 1: The thing is, but the thing is show that. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing, whether the offensive defense. When you go
Speaker 1: on the road, you can be less creative because now
Speaker 1: the communication is a lot harder. And so when we
Speaker 1: went on the road, we only had a handful of
Speaker 1: plays we even know we running. Were running hand off
Speaker 1: week or were running talss week that we ain't got.
Speaker 2: All these plays were.
Speaker 1: Going check this, check that, And everybody's like, huh, well,
Speaker 1: I thought it was this. No hand off week, hand
Speaker 1: off strong, I mean hand off week, talk strong. That's
Speaker 1: when we run.
Speaker 4: It right, you know, with you guys, with you guys,
Speaker 4: you always ran that stretch play too. Yeah, stress play
Speaker 4: like like like the goddamn coach like they always do it.
Speaker 2: And the guy, yeah, y'all, y'all love that damn play.
Speaker 4: And he listen TD hold it, hell, hold it, He'll
Speaker 4: hold it, and and ben that bitch right on back everything.
Speaker 4: I had one with a lot of a lot of
Speaker 4: times poor artists. Yeah yeah, oh yeah. But if you
Speaker 4: notice look at all the guys we had.
Speaker 1: We had Porters Rookie of the year fifteen hundred yards
Speaker 1: back to back season, Mike Anderson Rookie of the year
Speaker 1: fift that's right, that's right, yeah, all them guys leading drones.
Speaker 1: Who is the fullback? They put him an I back,
Speaker 1: he goes for twelve fifty, get paid. TD gets hurt.
Speaker 1: In ninety nine they put a Landa's Gary in there.
Speaker 1: We call him bird. So we called him and they said, man,
Speaker 1: why you call him bird? That said that joke is
Speaker 1: so Pigeon told I don't know what to throw bird seed?
Speaker 1: Or say what's up?
Speaker 2: Bro? I mean, hey, but bird be housing that thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so but TD all TD had to know,
Speaker 1: Mike I had one responsibility. When TD cut back, he
Speaker 1: had to know that defensive end was gonna put his
Speaker 1: helmet in his heid. That was my sole responsibility. That's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen on my watch.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: He would ask me, hey, he eightyfour, what you got backside.
Speaker 1: I said, hold up TV to keep it front side,
Speaker 1: come back it right now, bad thing is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Give me an opportunity, give me bad thing gonna happen
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: Let you wear him down a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, I got to cut him a few
Speaker 1: more times. Let me cut him a few more times.
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, I had him like cockroach feet up
Speaker 1: in there. Hey dd come see your boy, hey, And
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden he hit that thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got the gate. But you know, I had to
Speaker 1: solve it him up. I had to solve with him
Speaker 1: up though in the first two quarters. Keep from side
Speaker 1: of the house to the side. Don't come back here
Speaker 1: weak side. I like that Michael call like cowboys haters.
Speaker 1: What I don't understand is everybody just waits for the
Speaker 1: cowboys to lose. I saw multiple analysts, people who are
Speaker 1: fake analyst who somehow got jobs on TV saying their goals,
Speaker 1: your boy. It's almost to the point where it's like
Speaker 1: almost sick. Some of these people are like mentally sick,
Speaker 1: been waiting for former players, or former players are waiting
Speaker 1: for current players to fail so that they can have
Speaker 1: something to talk about.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't think mikel really understands who he's playing for you.
Speaker 4: I don't think he understands.
Speaker 1: Remember you remember the beginning year he told me historical defense.
Speaker 1: He said that, he said, they got a historical defense. Now,
Speaker 1: this is what I don't know. This is what I
Speaker 1: never heard Michael Parsons because I was one of the
Speaker 1: first ones that rent out. I said, this is the
Speaker 1: best player in the draft, even though he did not
Speaker 1: play his senior year, based on what I have seen
Speaker 1: him play his junior year and based on what I
Speaker 1: saw at the combine fit. You can see the way
Speaker 1: he timed, the way he jumped. He's explosive, he's sudden.
Speaker 1: So whatever you saw on tape, he confirmed it at
Speaker 1: the combine. I can't hear him say one time, these
Speaker 1: so called fake analysts saying I'm gonna be great, I
Speaker 1: didn't hear him say not one time these analysts said
Speaker 1: I should be Rookie of the year. He never said.
Speaker 1: He never said anything when they said this band LT.
Speaker 1: He's the closest thing I seen the LT. What's what
Speaker 1: I don't get. Why don't you say it's too much
Speaker 1: praise when guys are heaping that praise on you when
Speaker 1: you wreckon shop. He never says them former players waiting
Speaker 1: on me. They talked, Hey, hey, hey, shannel man, that's
Speaker 1: too much. Man. Don't be saying I'm gonna be this good.
Speaker 1: Don't say be ruing reok of the year. Don't say
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win Rookie of the Year and Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the year. Come on, man, that ain't right. Why
Speaker 1: you were why you root? Oh, he don't mind when
Speaker 1: they root for him. Yeah, even though I don't believe
Speaker 1: players are rooting against him, but he don't mind when
Speaker 1: they cheering him on. It's just that when you go
Speaker 1: out there and you didn't have the type of game
Speaker 1: and they found ways and we saw this forty nine
Speaker 1: ers give you a great blueprint. They commute his eyes. Hey,
Speaker 1: make it instead of making him swim, make him catch.
Speaker 1: Put that tight end on him. He said, okay, stand
Speaker 1: up in here now. We gonna want you to stand
Speaker 1: because you said you you wanted to play with your
Speaker 1: hand in the dirt. And the Buffalo bill say, put
Speaker 1: them tight ends on him. They put them big guys
Speaker 1: on him, and all of a sudden he didn't have
Speaker 1: the same type of game.
Speaker 2: Ro do you I could imagine Reggie White lt.
Speaker 1: Dt And all the greats complaining and he talked about
Speaker 1: the media. What the hell you think you in? Where
Speaker 1: did you say this on your show? On your podcast?
Speaker 1: Do you realize you're part of the media?
Speaker 5: Also, Yeah, yeah, I think I think.
Speaker 4: I think he has to understand what comes with playing
Speaker 4: for the Dallas Cowboy. I still don't think he understands.
Speaker 4: I still don't think he understands that the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 4: move the needle. The Dallas Cowboys, the Los Angeles Lakers,
Speaker 4: and the New York Yankees, they move the needle.
Speaker 2: They will always be They will always.
Speaker 4: Be talked about, criticized and analyzed different than any other team.
Speaker 4: That's just the way it is. It's the lay of
Speaker 4: the land. It will always be that way. But what
Speaker 4: they got to do, what they got to do. All
Speaker 4: they have to do and know this, shut up the
Speaker 4: analysts and know this, shut up the haters, the so
Speaker 4: called fake analysts that never played the game.
Speaker 5: Is you got to go out there and execute weekend
Speaker 5: and week out, o Cho.
Speaker 2: But that was the problem. It's a simple fix.
Speaker 1: Remember Ojo, that was just saying he ain't even never
Speaker 1: played the game.
Speaker 2: Now you got guys playing the game. Oh, now they
Speaker 2: fake analysts.
Speaker 1: Now you said at first you had a problem with
Speaker 1: guys criticizing you or critiquing your game that never played.
Speaker 1: Now all the networks, a lot of most of the
Speaker 1: networks have guys that played the game critiquing your game.
Speaker 1: Now that's a problem. Oh then you say, well, what
Speaker 1: if he done? Y'all sure, y'all want to ask me
Speaker 1: that question? Are you sure? Are you sure?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I know I've been away from the game and a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't, and I don't really care. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say what I'm gonna say based on what I see. Now,
Speaker 1: y'all know, y'all can't bs me. Now, y'all needna stop
Speaker 1: playing nothing too big of a cat to be played
Speaker 1: with like a kid. Now, I can't telling y'all that.
Speaker 1: So when your owners out there running this yap about
Speaker 1: how historically and great this defense is, when everybody is
Speaker 1: writing about you in Dallas talking about this team is
Speaker 1: so close and this team seems different, you ain't got
Speaker 1: no problem with that. But the moment that, y'all, all
Speaker 1: you got to do is show up with gainst one
Speaker 1: of these against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: All you have to do show up this stee Eagles
Speaker 2: on the road. All you do, show up.
Speaker 1: All you had to do was show up against Buffalo
Speaker 1: because everybody, just wait, I told you this team feel different.
Speaker 1: Really well, I don't want y'all to beat I want
Speaker 1: y'all to beat somebody. Go on the road and beat somebody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, none that I think about it.
Speaker 2: Let me see.
Speaker 5: They lost to the Bill thirty one ten.
Speaker 4: The remains the rest of the I'm gonna called the gauntlet,
Speaker 4: the rest of the gauntlet for them.
Speaker 2: They they got beat.
Speaker 1: They got beat forty two to ten by the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers, got beat twenty eight to sixteen by the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Minas Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, they got They got the Dolphins, the Lions
Speaker 4: and the Commanders for them to them two next ones.
Speaker 4: That that that that tells the whole story. That tells
Speaker 4: the whole story them Dolphins. You already know what's happened
Speaker 4: Tree Tyreek back next week.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Oh Joe, and what I've been
Speaker 1: trying to tell people, and people are you? I say,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are different, They're deep. This is a defense.
Speaker 1: Let I understand that dak is playing un believe with
Speaker 1: MVP type football.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but you see what happens when they don't
Speaker 2: get turnovers.
Speaker 1: When you see what happens, how they look when they
Speaker 1: don't get picked six of the scooping scores or put
Speaker 1: their offense on the short field.
Speaker 2: You see how they look.
Speaker 1: You tell me that's the same team when they didn't
Speaker 1: get the turnovers against the forty nine ers. Oh, they
Speaker 1: didn't create turnovers. They didn't create I think they might
Speaker 1: have had one against Arizona. I think they might have
Speaker 1: had one on the road against Philly. They got none
Speaker 1: against Buffalo. See, they're not losing a field goal game.
Speaker 1: They're getting demolished.
Speaker 5: Knowledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: I think the problem is I and I talked to
Speaker 4: you about this too before. I said, do you really
Speaker 4: think it's an advantage when you're playing when you're playing at
Speaker 4: home as opposed to playing on the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The Cowboy scoring forty points a game when they plan
Speaker 4: at home in twenty.
Speaker 1: One points a game on the road. So that's basically
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. Though, Joe, that's three touchdown different. That's not okay.
Speaker 1: We scored twenty eight points on the road. We scored.
Speaker 1: I mean at home, we scored twenty four. On the road, Bro,
Speaker 1: do you understand that's three touchdowns three?
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness that you know.
Speaker 1: I'll get the takeaways a home, I think they're plus ten.
Speaker 1: On the road they're minus minus. Yeah, that's crazy. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be predicated on defense, getting scooping courts, pick six
Speaker 1: in short fields.
Speaker 2: And this is the and this is what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: But Michael, you have to understand as a pre eminent player,
Speaker 1: you have to show up in moments like this.
Speaker 2: Bro, you take these guys. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: And and remember we talked to Coach Prime, and Prime,
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for coming on last night.
Speaker 1: Everybody say how much they loved the episode. It's it's charge.
Speaker 1: It's our highest episode thus far. I think we had
Speaker 1: a tick, Oh Joe, we had a tick up under
Speaker 1: forty five thousand. I think we have forty four thousand, nine.
Speaker 2: And thirty two. Yes, sir, so we had a tick
Speaker 2: under forty five thousand.
Speaker 1: So we want to thank Coach Prime for coming on
Speaker 1: gracing us with his present pick some knowledge on us.
Speaker 1: But can you imagine when people say, oh, Prime ain't
Speaker 1: show up Reggie White ain't show up.
Speaker 2: Bruce Smith ain't show up.
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis fifteen ran for six hundred fifteen ran for
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty yards on the Baltimore Ravens defense. Imagine,
Speaker 1: imagine if Rady came out and say, hey, man, man,
Speaker 1: he's so called faith analysts and haters. Really, do you
Speaker 1: understand the company that people have already put you in?
Speaker 1: And you ain't have no problem with that? If you,
Speaker 1: if you, you shouldn't have a problem with criticism. See,
Speaker 1: and this is what happens if you live for T.
Speaker 1: I said that, if you live for the applause, you
Speaker 1: will die by the criticism.
Speaker 2: You see, You'll see hold on, now, hold I think
Speaker 2: t I said that. Hold on, let me give him
Speaker 2: a pen. Hold on.
Speaker 5: I'm in I'm in the hotel.
Speaker 4: I like that when I left my note, Patty, I
Speaker 4: left my pad and Miami boy, give me that one again.
Speaker 2: By Yeah, if you live for the praise, you die
Speaker 2: by the criticism. Yeah, I'm gonna use that on rail.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use that. Why you use everything? I don't
Speaker 2: use that on rail.
Speaker 4: Because that's the only person I get into it with.
Speaker 4: So I got to have these in my pocket. Now, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a good one, boy, Damn.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: But Michael needs to understand, because of his level of greatness,
Speaker 1: there's a greater expectation him. Yeah, and because he doesn't
Speaker 1: get to have it off game and not to say that.
Speaker 1: Look and but you have to understand, there's a cycle now.
Speaker 1: Like when those other great plays, there was no twenty
Speaker 1: four hour news cycle. You had your local reporter and
Speaker 1: the group of reporters. But now everything they can go
Speaker 1: back at every plate. A guy can pull up every plate.
Speaker 1: Somebody can pull it up on their computer and show it.
Speaker 1: Look at Michael, Mike ain't working here. Look at this
Speaker 1: guy put Mike on his back. Look at this, Look
Speaker 1: at that. They didn't have that before. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going to sit here and tell you because I know
Speaker 1: I break it broken down. All the greats, all the
Speaker 1: grapes have been blocked, all the grates have been payingcake,
Speaker 1: All the grats have had games in which they didn't
Speaker 1: play their best.
Speaker 4: So do you think it's okay, it's okay to say, okay,
Speaker 4: you know what, the Cowboys can have a game like this.
Speaker 2: Yes, they've had too many of them.
Speaker 5: The Cowboys ten tenant, They tennant foe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but look who they're beating.
Speaker 1: We're asking them when you step up in competition and
Speaker 1: play a bullet like you somebody that can look you
Speaker 1: in your eye.
Speaker 2: Man, don't don't don't pick on him. Hey.
Speaker 1: You know how the other O Joe with some people
Speaker 1: cracking jokes, they don't get mad at the people telling
Speaker 1: the jokes.
Speaker 2: They get mad at the people that's laughing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: what you laughing at? He told the joke. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm laughing at.
Speaker 1: So the cowboys they picking on the commanders, they're picking
Speaker 1: on the giants, They're picking on the jazz, the panther.
Speaker 2: Okay, they come to forty nine.
Speaker 1: Ers, Okay, right, right, Oh they count Buffalo.
Speaker 5: What the teams you're gonna see in the playoffs?
Speaker 1: Basically, yes, show me, show me if y'all what y'all say,
Speaker 1: y'all if if you're tired of people saying that you're
Speaker 1: not this all you do you've just repeated, and that's
Speaker 1: what I said.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: Look. All I say is I need to see. I
Speaker 1: need to see. Faith is believing in the unknown. That's
Speaker 1: God said that God said, if you have faith, I'll
Speaker 1: show you.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a man. I need you to show me
Speaker 2: to have faith. And I ain't seen it.
Speaker 1: M you've seen it because remember two years Remember two
Speaker 1: years ago when Jack had that great season, almost come
Speaker 1: for four to five yard and guess what happened when
Speaker 1: the forty nineers came in?
Speaker 2: And what did forty niners do?
Speaker 1: Do him? Got to put foots up in him. Got
Speaker 1: him right on the pout of there. Last year, even
Speaker 1: though he missed five games, he looked tied for the
Speaker 1: league in interceptions, go on.
Speaker 2: The road to the party. That's what they do. Put
Speaker 2: foots in them. Got him right on the p out
Speaker 2: of there. What if this the year? Though?
Speaker 4: What if this is the year when they get they hit,
Speaker 4: they get that first round in the playoffs and they
Speaker 4: get past that first round.
Speaker 1: We've seen them get past the first round. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen him get past the second round. They get past
Speaker 1: that division round.
Speaker 2: Okay, what have you seen it? Now?
Speaker 1: You do realize they haven't been passed that first round?
Speaker 1: You were probably so how were you in the in
Speaker 1: ninety five.
Speaker 4: Ninety five, ninety five hours, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: You weren't twenty two seventy nine six you were sixteen,
Speaker 1: So think about that.
Speaker 2: You were sixteen.
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, let me give me calculator.
Speaker 2: Hold on, you only know no calculator, I calculated for you.
Speaker 1: Okay, you were sixteen and you and you not said
Speaker 1: and you not thirty two, you not even thirty six.
Speaker 2: So let that sink in for just a second. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how long it's been since they've been passed.
Speaker 2: The second round. Wait, it's been that long. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when they won the Super Bowl in Arizona ninety five.
Speaker 4: And they still get the type of yeah attention and
Speaker 4: criticism and yes, yes, yes, that is truly America team.
Speaker 5: You do understand that, right, you have not have been
Speaker 5: for you to not have won in so.
Speaker 1: Long because their fans are delusional because Jerry tells them
Speaker 1: every year and everybody buys into it, this is their year.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like that. It's kind of like the
Speaker 1: kid the parents that tell the kid, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take you tomorrow, and tomorrow never comes, but you still
Speaker 1: hold out hope that what he said is going to
Speaker 1: come true, or that Christmas gift that you're expecting that
Speaker 1: never came.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I remember at the.
Speaker 4: Beginning of receiving all thirty two teams have that same
Speaker 4: speech and that same talk from their head coaches, but.
Speaker 1: Owner, but their owners are not out there pelling that.
Speaker 1: See nobody else owner is saying that this team reminds
Speaker 1: me of those Super Bowl teams when you had those
Speaker 1: seven eight Hall of Famers on it. What other owner
Speaker 1: said that? What other owner is telling you? Who's gonna play,
Speaker 1: who's injured? The injury report?
Speaker 2: What owner?
Speaker 1: What other owner is doing that? What the other owner
Speaker 1: is saying after you beat the Commanders that this is
Speaker 1: the most this is the happiest that I've been Who
Speaker 1: what other owner after you beat the division rival says,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is the this is the best,
Speaker 1: this is the best we played.
Speaker 2: What other owners doing that? Him? But A Jerry Jones.
Speaker 5: He's always been from the center though he's always been
Speaker 5: that way.
Speaker 1: Because he wants it about him, no matter how great
Speaker 1: that plays. When you think of the Cowboys, who you
Speaker 1: think about.
Speaker 5: O Joe Jerry, Joe Jerry because because he's always from center.
Speaker 2: I think all the other owners. Patrick Mahone Clark Hunt says,
Speaker 2: I let me need that.
Speaker 1: Robert Kraft got six championships since he got his last
Speaker 1: Think about that he's been nine times. He got fixed
Speaker 1: damn and mister Craft, Coach Belichick or Tom Tommy, he
Speaker 1: called him tom. He called both of them Tommy, I
Speaker 1: mean Tommy and Billy. That's what he called Coach Belichick.
Speaker 2: Billy.
Speaker 1: He calls Tom Tommy. Y'all, y'all get that. I don't
Speaker 1: need that, right. He craves that. And that's why he
Speaker 1: got Jimmy up out of there because he wouldn't get that.
Speaker 2: He wanted that, right.
Speaker 4: Ah Man, So do you do you think maybe if
Speaker 4: Jerry was to move out the way, maybe that Jerry
Speaker 4: at okay, only the one guy that can never.
Speaker 2: Lose his job. I mean, he can't lose his job.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about just taking a back seat as far
Speaker 4: as being the face and the voice of the Cowboys
Speaker 4: and let the players do it.
Speaker 1: Let that you do realize, face, you do realize that
Speaker 1: they got guys that got way more money than Jerry,
Speaker 1: and we don't know who the hell they are.
Speaker 2: If Jerry were to move, who got more money in
Speaker 2: Jerry Man?
Speaker 1: Jerry probably the thirteenth hundred or fourteenth hundred richest person
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people that got in the world.
Speaker 4: I was. I mean, I know there is I was
Speaker 4: speaking on with the Cowboys. I thought she meane with
Speaker 4: the Cowboys organization.
Speaker 2: But why not because they don't own the cowboy.
Speaker 5: Okay, I see what you's saying. I see where you're going.
Speaker 2: That's why you think those rich people try to get
Speaker 2: those teams.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a level that and some of them,
Speaker 1: some some rich people don't want that. Some people are like, hey,
Speaker 1: I got my thirty forty fifty hundred, two hundred billion cool.
Speaker 2: I think I'm cool. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I love my anonymity. I'm gonna go get on my
Speaker 1: you know, my three hundred four hundred.
Speaker 4: Foot yachtmber mega yacht, not just any yacht, mega yacht.
Speaker 2: Ojo. You know what to say?
Speaker 1: It is ain't no crowing on the yacht, ain't no
Speaker 1: crown on the yacht, and it ain't no crying thirty
Speaker 1: five thousand feet up on the air on the G six.
Speaker 1: They cool with that. But Jerry, Jerry is so tied
Speaker 1: to the cowboy Boys. I mean, that's his baby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's his baby. That's our bad that So who can
Speaker 1: tell Jerry? How about you know what?
Speaker 4: I think things will change for us as a team,
Speaker 4: as an organization, if you kind of took a backseat
Speaker 4: a little bit, if you didn't be the voice, if
Speaker 4: you didn't if you didn't say some of the things
Speaker 4: that puts a strain on the teams, that half on
Speaker 4: the team to have to go out there performed by
Speaker 4: saying things like this is one of the best defenses
Speaker 4: or this is the Super Bowl contending team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who can talk to him and you can ask
Speaker 1: you Steve. Maybe Steven is his right hand man. Steven
Speaker 1: is the guy that most of the time when you
Speaker 1: see Jerry sitting there at the podium or the desk,
Speaker 1: it is Steven next to him.
Speaker 2: Wilson.
Speaker 1: Now, he does have a a Jerry. Name is Gerald.
Speaker 1: He does have a junior, and he has a daughter, Charlotte,
Speaker 1: and I think his wife is named Jean, so uh
Speaker 1: probably probably Stephen, Probably Stephen.
Speaker 5: I mean, this would be a good time at some point.
Speaker 5: I mean, after all these years.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how Cowboys fans feel about it, but
Speaker 4: I think maybe the direction of the team will go
Speaker 4: where it needs to go. If Jerry took a back
Speaker 4: seat and then try to take all the attention and
Speaker 4: put the owners and the pressure on the players to
Speaker 4: go out and perform and just allow them to play
Speaker 4: the game like the other thirty one teams. Dude that
Speaker 4: don't have their owners putting the pressure on them to
Speaker 4: go out there and succeed.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Ojo, when I was in Baltimore, Brian
Speaker 1: Billick did a lot of talking, so he was essentially
Speaker 1: writing checks that we had the cash, and we had
Speaker 1: a defense that could cash those.
Speaker 2: Checks or steal it. Either one y'all steal it too.
Speaker 1: So now the thing is, now, if Jerry was talking
Speaker 1: like he's talking right now in the nighties, when he
Speaker 1: had Playmaker.
Speaker 2: And Emmett and Troy and he.
Speaker 1: Had all those guys, he had Nate Newton, he had
Speaker 1: two in a he had step Nowski and Big Easy,
Speaker 1: and then you had Leon Letting. You had all those
Speaker 1: guys over the Chailey and and and and Darren Woodson
Speaker 1: and all those guys.
Speaker 2: You can do that, He gout, you, Yeah you can.
Speaker 1: But everybody said, they want to see my shirt.
Speaker 2: It's all I got for Yojo.
Speaker 4: Give undred that work Monday thirty Friday.
Speaker 2: Ain't getting nothing Friday already, know it's already the weekend. Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Forty ninth and King donated fifty bus and he asked
Speaker 1: unking O Joe, do you think the Cowboys are better
Speaker 1: at home because of the speed of the field versus
Speaker 1: the natural term outdoor style.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is that when they go on
Speaker 1: the road, teams run the ball at him. They're a
Speaker 1: light football team. They're built on speed, and so they're
Speaker 1: predicated on having the lead. Look at the games they've lost,
Speaker 1: they had the lead. It's hard to get after the quarterback.
Speaker 1: When you down fourteen and they running the ball down,
Speaker 1: you throw. You can't sack the quarterback if he ain't
Speaker 1: got the ball. Yeah, so that's what teams are doing.
Speaker 1: Teams are putting him in a deficit. So now you
Speaker 1: got to sit in there. Because they're an undersized team,
Speaker 1: they're all about getting Hey, it's like the Floyd h
Speaker 1: I think Floyd Peters the famous sense, Hey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna stop the running their way to the quarterback.
Speaker 2: And so that's how the Cowboys stink.
Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to sack the attack the quarterback, attack the
Speaker 1: running game on the way to the quarterback. Well, when
Speaker 1: you got guys firing off on you, Hey, you remember
Speaker 1: what d Loss said, or you hit a mofo in
Speaker 1: the mouth, and you hit them over and.
Speaker 2: Again again and again and again and again. So with
Speaker 2: a mofo lineup and they hit you in your mouth
Speaker 2: again and again and again and again.
Speaker 1: And when you try to make a power they lift
Speaker 1: your butt up and get you up out of there again,
Speaker 1: then again and again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you got two hundred and sixty six yards.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen throw the ball fifteen times yesterday he completed
Speaker 1: five and the conditions like that, What the hell you
Speaker 1: think they're gonna do? O.
Speaker 2: Joe, you got it? Run, you got it. Run.
Speaker 1: You ain't got no choice. You ain't got no choice.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they thought was gonna happen at
Speaker 1: that point in time. And we see James Cook, We
Speaker 1: see Joe Brady relying a lot more on the run
Speaker 1: game with James Cook not only running the football, they're
Speaker 1: throwing the ball to him, allowing him to get down
Speaker 1: the field. We see him, We caught that touchdown. And
Speaker 1: see they like to play with those undersides and the
Speaker 1: third down and nickel.
Speaker 2: They like to play with undersized linebackers.
Speaker 1: You remember what Dion Dawkins did the number thirty three
Speaker 1: he walked him down the field about twenty yards eshok
Speaker 1: him on his.
Speaker 2: Head and they had to come get it. Yeah, you hurt.
Speaker 5: That's a whole that's a whole lot of weight on you.
Speaker 1: I don't care how I don't care about how big,
Speaker 1: how bad you are, But them three hundred pounds start
Speaker 1: leaning on your ass, and you two twenty and you
Speaker 1: two thirty.
Speaker 2: Bad things gonna have on Jo bathrootball game. Listen.
Speaker 5: Physics is undefeated.
Speaker 2: Physics is undefeated.
Speaker 1: Slim from the Slip from the Stick said as doing
Speaker 1: live stream is crazy. Oh yo head, look at Ben
Speaker 1: Slim slip man. You know, the old poor hustler trying
Speaker 1: to get paid. Man, Oh Joe, and I got miles
Speaker 1: to see feed. Oh Joe got like eight nine miles.
Speaker 1: I got like seven eight miles to feed.
Speaker 2: Bro eleven. You got eleven eleven. I got level. Man.
Speaker 4: We're working on working on one move eleven and the possible.
Speaker 4: Listen eleven and the possible. And I don't even play spades, damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah man, the kids expensive now, Oh, oh Joe, you
Speaker 1: remember I told you we was having a conversation the
Speaker 1: other day and we're talking about financial about people and
Speaker 1: somebody asked us, said, what did uh uh we you
Speaker 1: and I and our kids mother argue about and argue about.
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, money about private school, And
Speaker 1: people say fifteen five. I was saying, man, that ain't
Speaker 1: no money I'm paying that.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: You do realize that was twenty five plus years ago.
Speaker 1: Right again, you do realize that was twenty five plus
Speaker 1: years ago. And you do realize I had three kids,
Speaker 1: So you sure that we're on the same level of
Speaker 1: playing field. Okay, now you get my point, I hope,
Speaker 1: Like when you talking about this, when we're talking about
Speaker 1: our kids, all my kids are grown. Yeah, my baby's
Speaker 1: in the last year, is about to go to residency.
Speaker 1: I'm a grad dad, so clearly I ain't got no teenagers.
Speaker 1: I mean I could theoretically, but I don't. All my
Speaker 1: kids have graduated undergrad My daughter, my youngest daughter with
Speaker 1: undergrad she got a master's. Now she's about to get
Speaker 1: a doctor. Don't come on, people, That's life. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that to say comparison, Like I understand that
Speaker 1: having a child now and you have to work and
Speaker 1: you have to put the kid in daycare.
Speaker 2: It's expensive. That's the number one cause to eat at
Speaker 2: finances of a family. It's day care for a child.
Speaker 1: This is expensive and you got to have somebody, and
Speaker 1: you need to have somebody that you trust to watch
Speaker 1: your child. And I get it. And it's not cheap.
Speaker 1: And that's why you know you have a couple of kids. Man,
Speaker 1: you need to be making damn near half a million
Speaker 1: dollars to have a couple of kids. Now, oh yo,
Speaker 1: it ain't like it ain't like it was when were
Speaker 1: growing up. People had kids. Like when my mom and
Speaker 1: my grandmother knew was born. That was free labor. You
Speaker 1: had work. They put your ass to work. That's what
Speaker 1: that was for. They had a bunch of kids.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: My grandma had nine kids. Yeah, and all of us
Speaker 1: had to hit the fields.
Speaker 2: That's true. Man.
Speaker 1: Look here, oh Joe, I remember this had to be
Speaker 1: how old was I? This had to be seventy three,
Speaker 1: seventy four. I'm gonna say seventy three seventy four.
Speaker 2: Right right.
Speaker 1: My granddaddy came home, he said, I want everything big
Speaker 1: enough to sop syrup, to hit that field tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Everything. Now, you know, you ain't got to be that
Speaker 2: big a soft sirup. Yeah, he showed down.
Speaker 1: Mister Joe Tatum money. I talked about him a lot
Speaker 1: because he would come by and pick us up. Now
Speaker 1: I was at the time. Now he met the older kids.
Speaker 1: I was the youngest by three years. I'm three years
Speaker 1: younger than my brother. My sister is eight years older
Speaker 1: than me. Now I got an aunt that's nine years
Speaker 1: older than me. And then I got a couple of
Speaker 1: them that was eleven, twelve, thirteen years older.
Speaker 2: Right right, he say.
Speaker 1: And so when mister Joe pulls up, I'm sitting I'm
Speaker 1: sitting on the porch.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm five or six years of age.
Speaker 1: He said, Bartie, what about that little fellow, he said,
Speaker 1: Joe here, he pretty little, He said, Barnaby, can find
Speaker 1: something for him to do?
Speaker 2: You find something? I'm like, what though? What? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Guess what? Walk behind the tobacco picker. I had to
Speaker 1: pick the lead that hit the ground. I had had
Speaker 1: to pick him up and take him to the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then now we say, I had to carry a rope. Now,
Speaker 1: the roads probably was about two hundred yards long. I
Speaker 1: carry a rope by myself, saying look now, people in
Speaker 1: North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia. I don't know the
Speaker 1: other states, or maybe Alabama, Mississippi. But the first picking
Speaker 1: is called saying lugging. That means the leaves are closest
Speaker 1: to the ground and they're on the sand. So that's
Speaker 1: called saying lugging. Backbreaking work. But you know, you young man,
Speaker 1: I'm out there with my cousin. Hey, I'm trying to win.
Speaker 1: I bet I could beat y'all. I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: racing the big kids, trying. I'm trying to win. But
Speaker 1: the key the way he did, Oh Joe, mister Joe,
Speaker 1: what he would do. We would get up and the
Speaker 1: truck was back there, so we didn't have to pull
Speaker 1: the truck up. And the older kids they had done
Speaker 1: got smart. That means they had to run back there
Speaker 1: to get the truck, and they ain't want to do it.
Speaker 1: He's like, peet sondown. Won't y'all go get the truck?
Speaker 1: We five, Land is two years older than me. We five,
Speaker 1: we's five and seven, six and eight. He letting us dry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we let us drive.
Speaker 2: Yo. I could bury this. You order stew you reach
Speaker 2: the gas, then you can reach the pedal that's why
Speaker 2: I'm saying I'm up here like this here are you're standing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm barely barely barely. The fact that he
Speaker 1: trusted enough to drive the truck at the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's where that's what we learned how to drive,
Speaker 1: drive the track, to drive all that stuff. But man,
Speaker 1: hold On, retired senior chief US Navy saying, Man, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell y'all I would pay for Bishop Gorman. I
Speaker 1: would pay well, man, I ain't gonna tell y'all what
Speaker 1: I would pay for Bishop Gorman here in Vegas with
Speaker 1: to go to school. He wants to go to school
Speaker 1: there for his kids to go there. Oh oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that's in Vegas. Yea yea, yea, yeah, yeah, yea yea.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, Randall
Speaker 1: Cunningham d m H yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna tell y'all what I wull pay man. Please, if
Speaker 1: it was left under me, I ain't playing with no school, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't paying with no no unless.
Speaker 2: Now it's just like where the area that we live.
Speaker 1: Because you know, back in the day, yo, couldn't you
Speaker 1: had to go into school to the.
Speaker 2: District where you went. You couldn't go across town and
Speaker 2: is it right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it say like it was the same thing at
Speaker 4: Miami it was the same thing. Like that Miami is
Speaker 4: based on address, based on your address, and tell you
Speaker 4: what you're supposed to go to. I mean, obviously, I
Speaker 4: grew up in Liberty City. Listen, and for me, I
Speaker 4: was upset. It all worked out for me on the
Speaker 4: back end at the end, my past was a little different.
Speaker 4: I lived in Liberty City. I grew up in the forties.
Speaker 4: Miami Northwestern is on seventy first Street. Miami Jackson Senior
Speaker 4: High is on thirty sixth Street. I'm supposed to be
Speaker 4: at Jackson and but Miami Northwestern was close enough for
Speaker 4: me to actually go there as well. My grandma counsel
Speaker 4: and teacher at Nautilus Middle School on Miami Beach.
Speaker 5: It's time for high school.
Speaker 2: I'm hype.
Speaker 4: I think I'm getting ready to go. I'm going to
Speaker 4: go to school with my homeboys right here in the hood.
Speaker 4: Either I'm gonna go to the West or I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go to Jackson. It's time to go to high school.
Speaker 4: This is my baby. I know you want to go
Speaker 4: to school with your fellas and your boys. But I
Speaker 4: got to keep an eye on you, and I really
Speaker 4: can't see you all the way from Miami Beach over here.
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna make you go over.
Speaker 4: Here to Miami be Senior High right down the street
Speaker 4: from me, just in case that's the emergency.
Speaker 5: Ain't an emergency.
Speaker 2: Want to go.
Speaker 4: I want to go play football with my dogs. I
Speaker 4: want to play football, but home Boys. But then the
Speaker 4: hidesight on the back end. Instead of again lost in
Speaker 4: the wash of talent, playing against him was that much.
Speaker 2: Better, right? So?
Speaker 4: I mean, it hurt my feelings not to be able
Speaker 4: to play play with my people I grew up with,
Speaker 4: But playing against man, that was one of the greatest feelings.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: High school was a dope experience.
Speaker 2: I wish and now on with your high school.
Speaker 1: They give out scholarships because a lot of these high
Speaker 1: schools that you know, you uh, it costs money to
Speaker 1: go there.
Speaker 2: Man, I wasn't. First of all, we ain't got no
Speaker 2: money because it costs money. It costs money to go
Speaker 2: high school. Well, yeah about like IMG or something.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking about like these I like Valor, like
Speaker 1: in Colorado, Valor, that's where the McCaffrey brothers went right, right,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's probably twenty five twenty five thous of
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 4: Whoa, come on, come on, come on, bringing back, bring
Speaker 4: it back, bringing back, bring it back.
Speaker 2: Academy is like sixty thousand of the year.
Speaker 4: Well but oh scholarships, take care yeah, funding those okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: because my next question was like, well, what the hell
Speaker 4: they getting they got that money from.
Speaker 1: Okay, but but a lot of parents, a lot of
Speaker 1: people play get their kids in there because I amg academy.
Speaker 1: You know, they got tennis. That's rest Just so Nick Military.
Speaker 1: I met him a couple of times, and he wanted
Speaker 1: me to come down there. Uh this, Bishop Gorman, Cunningham,
Speaker 1: Marco Murray, dtr Ronnie Stalley, Brevin Jordan all went to
Speaker 1: that high school.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, well they got some dogs came out of
Speaker 5: there now.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, you know O Joe
Speaker 1: a lot of times, and I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with that. Sometimes, uh, people will remove their kids to
Speaker 1: duck competition. I mean I had a neighbor that he
Speaker 1: said that he was moving because he wanted to move
Speaker 1: to a smaller town to give his kid a better
Speaker 1: opportunity to play, he said, because being in Atlanta, the
Speaker 1: competition is too great.
Speaker 2: Very high.
Speaker 5: That's a good thing, though, y, that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: I ain't talking no competition, yeah you want ain't talking
Speaker 1: no competition, you got it.
Speaker 4: That's the air we in that too, man. In fact,
Speaker 4: the fact that we have participating trophies. Yeah, and we
Speaker 4: and we're praising mediocrity. Yeah, it's gonna be and.
Speaker 1: All that, all that reclassified and holding your kid back
Speaker 1: so he can be a year older. No, no, let
Speaker 1: me go. Let let me go what it meant to be,
Speaker 1: gonna beat be?
Speaker 4: Yeah, most definitely, most definitely, and playing against better competition
Speaker 4: at some point you have no choice but to get better,
Speaker 4: but to get.
Speaker 5: No choice but to get better.
Speaker 2: That's what helped me. Oh Joe, think about it.
Speaker 1: I'm playing against my brother three years older than me,
Speaker 1: my cousin two years older than me. Most of them,
Speaker 1: like Arnell was eight, was seven years older than me,
Speaker 1: Eugene six years older, Robbie was eight years older, seven
Speaker 1: years older, Bernard was four years older. So I ain't
Speaker 1: had no choice. I'm the youngest one, and them jokers
Speaker 1: call it. You know what, I'm saying I'm the last
Speaker 1: one pick. You know, I'm trying to play basketball all
Speaker 1: travel or he walked bro y'all do realize, man, I'm
Speaker 1: the youngest one out here. Ain't cutting no slack at all.
Speaker 1: Hey man, this joke is tackling me, throwing me down. Hey,
Speaker 1: but that's okay. When I got to school with kids
Speaker 1: my age, yeah, they got no chance, no chance to
Speaker 1: tackling me, no chance to beat me in basketball. Right,
Speaker 1: none of that. That ain't gonna happen. You saw this,
Speaker 1: Monte Kazi was suspended. The NFL brought the hammer down
Speaker 1: on Pittsburgh Steelers safety Demonte Kazi after his helmet helmet
Speaker 1: hit on Michael Pittman Junior and Steelers thirty to thirteen loss.
Speaker 2: On the road in Week fifteen.
Speaker 1: The league announced it's suspending Cazi for the rest of
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three season and possibly impossible playoff game
Speaker 1: should the seven and seven Steelers reach the postseason.
Speaker 2: I saw the hit.
Speaker 4: What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed
Speaker 4: to do? Especially with that throw? What are you supposed
Speaker 4: to do? What are you supposed to do as a defender.
Speaker 4: I talked to you when Kareem Jackson got suspended for
Speaker 4: a second time. What are you supposed to do as
Speaker 4: a defender? I talked to you about the NFL and
Speaker 4: the Competition Committee obviously want to protect the players, but
Speaker 4: also handicapping the game and it becoming watered down. What
Speaker 4: are you supposed to do in that situation outside of
Speaker 4: play two hand touch?
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 1: I guess the NFL said, no, we don't want you
Speaker 1: to hit him in that situation because if you hit him,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna drop the ham on you.
Speaker 4: What's gonna happen What's gonna happen when all the defensive
Speaker 4: players come together? What's gonna happen when all the defensive
Speaker 4: players come together and every time someone is in a
Speaker 4: vulnerable position where they can get a flag, they actually
Speaker 4: just tap the player, Just tap the player, like just
Speaker 4: two hand touch on purpose, just two hand touching on
Speaker 4: touch it on purpose.
Speaker 2: That's what you might as well do. That's what it's
Speaker 2: going to come to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh Joe, I think the thing is because the
Speaker 1: NFL says, look, if if there was ever such a
Speaker 1: thing as a vulnerable position, he was in it.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, that was that was the throw to
Speaker 2: the quarterback are about to dry?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I understand the quarterback in our
Speaker 1: nature is that I'm trying to catch everything.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, ain't gonna lie even though I know I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get I'm gonna get leveled every time. But I
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 1: I always want the quarterback to believe that he could
Speaker 1: throw it to meet and good things are gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And either I'm gonna come down with it or it's
Speaker 1: gonna hit the turn. But I'm not gonna let it
Speaker 1: get in a seventh No. But that that's a tough
Speaker 1: And I feel I feel bad for Cauzi because it's
Speaker 1: not like the guy's making you know, like he made
Speaker 1: thirty million, forty million dollars right right before. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like he got another six seven
Speaker 1: years in the NFL, oh Joe either, And so you
Speaker 1: taking you know, thirty forty fifty thousand dollars paycheck from
Speaker 1: this man maybe more?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Oh man, it's crazy, Oh Jo, what do
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 1: A piece of Pauler cancels? Tommy DeVito's appearance have to
Speaker 1: do the double appearance price. Tommy Davito had a bad
Speaker 1: had a bad day on Sunday, on and off the field.
Speaker 2: A piece of place in Marstown, New.
Speaker 1: Jersey, hired the Vito for a meet and Greek took
Speaker 1: Instagram to explain the abrupt cancelation. Tommy DeVito will not
Speaker 1: be here this Tuesday as originally planned.
Speaker 2: After last week's win.
Speaker 1: We received word from his agent that the appearance fee
Speaker 1: would be doubling and went from ten thousand to twenty thousand.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: We're a small, family run business and decided that twenty
Speaker 1: thousand was a little too steep.
Speaker 2: For two hours.
Speaker 1: The post came after the Giants lost twenty four to
Speaker 1: six to the size to the Saint. Excuse me, the
Speaker 1: restaurants added, sorry about the loss today, Giants fan, but
Speaker 1: we're on a We're but we're Italian and we don't
Speaker 1: like when someone says one thing and does another.
Speaker 2: Listen. Tommy DeVito is the quarterback for the New.
Speaker 4: Yorkball Giant, Yes Football Giants. He is a face now
Speaker 4: of that franchise right now. Yesterday's price is not today's price.
Speaker 4: Now if he was still the back up, isn't that
Speaker 4: ten thousand dollars? That ten thown dollars appearance fee. I understand,
Speaker 4: Oh Joe, I get it.
Speaker 2: But they had a deal.
Speaker 1: They screenshoted text communication that said he had agreed to
Speaker 1: ten thousand.
Speaker 5: Was there was there a document? Were there was there
Speaker 5: a signed contract? A signed document?
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, that's That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: There was text conversation that says, Okay, we'll do it
Speaker 1: for ten thousand.
Speaker 4: Oh you just said text conversation that ain'tna work. That
Speaker 4: ain't gonna work in court. Actually, we need we need documentations.
Speaker 2: No, it's not a documentation. Oh Choe. If I tell
Speaker 2: you what, Oh Joe, I'll tell you what you do.
Speaker 2: Tell me.
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me. You're gonna tell me you're gonna
Speaker 1: give me one hundred thousand dollars if this show takes
Speaker 1: off and then all of a sudden, the show takes
Speaker 1: off and I don't give it to you. And I
Speaker 1: got tech, We got text conversation that will absolutely hold
Speaker 1: up in court.
Speaker 4: Oh No, all I can say was Thomas videos he is,
Speaker 4: he is Tom, and Devido is the quarterback for the
Speaker 4: New York Football Giants.
Speaker 5: And Yesterday's it's not the day's price.
Speaker 4: So I have a better understanding of what he's doing
Speaker 4: and why he's doing it because the value has increased
Speaker 4: because you are now the starter.
Speaker 2: O Jo.
Speaker 1: If you give so oho, I did it? Ojo, I
Speaker 1: hear I'm saying. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, Ojo. One,
Speaker 1: an appearance feed for Shannon Sharp in twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: is different than it was in twenty twenty four. But
Speaker 1: if I had agreed to it, and the price in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is going to be a difference in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. I've agreed to some appearances in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, but I signed them. I agreed to them
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. I gave them people. I gave
Speaker 1: them people my word. You got okay, I will do
Speaker 1: it for that, for that number. Now think about it.
Speaker 1: Think about now we got This was before Nightcap, This
Speaker 1: was before I had the ESPN deal. This was before
Speaker 1: I was voted complex uh personality.
Speaker 5: Number one, I get number one.
Speaker 2: I gave them people my word.
Speaker 1: I would do it for that m Now I could man, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: look at all of what i'ven'd gotten now, so the
Speaker 1: price it goes up.
Speaker 2: Your value, Your value has increased, and that's okay. That's
Speaker 2: what I get. My word is everything. If you ain't
Speaker 2: got your word, you ain't got nothing. No joke, oh
Speaker 2: your work?
Speaker 4: Oh wait a minute, because not I got you in
Speaker 4: a pickle. If your word is everything, I would have
Speaker 4: been on first take by now.
Speaker 1: I told you once I get in good, I ain't
Speaker 1: in good. It's been goddamn seven months.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, you do realize I'm on a date. I
Speaker 2: got days. I ain't got no year contract, I got days.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna work. We're gonak were gonna work. We're
Speaker 4: gonna work on a full time contract. We're gonna work
Speaker 4: on that, oh man.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact. Matter of fact.
Speaker 4: If the bosses, if the bosses come to you or Stephen,
Speaker 4: they come to you about doing full time, make sure
Speaker 4: we're package deal?
Speaker 2: What kind of package package?
Speaker 4: Because yeah, yeah, because if you if you're going where,
Speaker 4: if if you're hiring me, you got to bring your wish.
Speaker 1: You uh you know, O Joe, you know I was
Speaker 1: gonna be a what you call them? Because you do know?
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a thing of a verbal contract?
Speaker 2: Right right? Yeah? It doesn't need it. Everything doesn't need
Speaker 2: to be on this mm hmm.
Speaker 4: You think them text messages really hold up in the
Speaker 4: corn alone. Now, I'm not saying it's going to that magnitude,
Speaker 4: but you think that that'll really hold up?
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many businesses have been split on
Speaker 1: a verbal contract or or text email?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay, that's the first thing they say,
Speaker 1: be careful, Anthony, Anthony, it was got himself into a situation.
Speaker 1: That's my dog and he has he has a a girlfriend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I guess another female and both of them is pregnant.
Speaker 1: And what happened?
Speaker 2: I think the girl? Come on now, come back to me,
Speaker 2: Come on back home, baby.
Speaker 1: You got a girl, He got a girlfriend. Okay, you
Speaker 1: got a girlfriend. Okay, slow down for me. At a
Speaker 1: side piece, okay, okay, okay. If I'm not mistaken, if
Speaker 1: I'm correct, the girlfriend posted that she's pregnant.
Speaker 2: The girl Okay, Anthony, I'm lost. What do you mean
Speaker 2: you lost out?
Speaker 1: Well, you mess you got real real post on I
Speaker 1: g she pregnant. The next thing, you know, the side
Speaker 1: piece you messed with, she posted she pregnant too. No,
Speaker 1: I don't even like I don't even like that hapathetical.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 4: You know what God, hold on, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 4: hold on, because you know you ain't fine, wish that
Speaker 4: William God.
Speaker 2: Devil, don't play, don't do it.
Speaker 4: Maybe I know you in the chat, baby, don't make
Speaker 4: don't pay him no mind, honey, no.
Speaker 2: Uh but now which I'm which, I'm with you now
Speaker 2: though I'm with you not.
Speaker 1: Anthony Edward gave a statement of day after woman released
Speaker 1: screenshots of texting showing him pressing her to get an abortion.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Alsopposed to the screenshot of an alleged WY transfer of
Speaker 1: one hundred K he said. He said, I made comments
Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment that I'm not me
Speaker 1: and i'm and that I'm not aligned with I believe
Speaker 1: who I am and who I want to be as
Speaker 1: a man. All women should be supported and empowered to
Speaker 1: make their own decisions about their bodies and what is
Speaker 1: best for them. I'm handling my personal matters privately and
Speaker 1: will not be commenting on them any further at this time.
Speaker 4: Okay, hold on, let me drop that down real quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I like I like the wordplay he used right there.
Speaker 4: I like that wordplay, yes, suh, Okay, fine, I like that,
Speaker 4: and so I'm I'm I'm assuming this, this young lady
Speaker 4: that is the peace side, she purposely put everything out
Speaker 4: to put the pressure back on him because she had
Speaker 4: already made.
Speaker 5: The decision up in her mind. Because if she was
Speaker 5: for him in.
Speaker 4: Understanding the situation that he was in, even though he
Speaker 4: put himself in that situation. Yes, Uh, she sees the
Speaker 4: dollar signs and I don't think I'm sure maybe he
Speaker 4: did understand, brother Anthony Anthony Edwards, that.
Speaker 2: That she was in it not for for you, but
Speaker 2: what you can do, you know. And she had she
Speaker 2: had an end goal.
Speaker 4: Most of them always have it in goal, and she
Speaker 4: reached that end goal. Uh, Anthony Edwards made a mistake.
Speaker 4: Anthony ed was as as young we we we all
Speaker 4: make those mistakes.
Speaker 2: And I think I think you have to live with
Speaker 2: you got you got to live with this one.
Speaker 1: Oh Jo, I think you and I are very very
Speaker 1: well equipped because you and I both have kids from
Speaker 1: multiple women. Oh yeah, very close proximity. And I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure had the situation had this been social social
Speaker 1: media back there, I'm not so sure they might not
Speaker 1: have put us on blast.
Speaker 2: But that's okay. I don't have no problems. I don't
Speaker 2: have I have very few problems.
Speaker 4: My foundation is together, my founder, all work is one uniting.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, and.
Speaker 1: This is what I always tell guys, be careful how
Speaker 1: you talk because everything is screenshotted, everything is saved. And
Speaker 1: so the moment you make someone mad, it takes a
Speaker 1: special type of person not to not to damage the brand,
Speaker 1: not to blow up the spot when they get upset. Now,
Speaker 1: she might come around says I'm sorry, but the damage
Speaker 1: is done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's difference. Listen, it's a difference.
Speaker 4: It's a difference in understanding the individuals that you deal with,
Speaker 4: or understanding the dynamic of the type of individual you're
Speaker 4: dealing with based on.
Speaker 2: Who we are and what they have going on.
Speaker 4: If you're dealing if you're dealing with women, if you're different,
Speaker 4: listen to b Chat stay with me, baby. If you're
Speaker 4: dealing with women that have something to lose, understand when
Speaker 4: things don't go their way and situations aren't beneficial and
Speaker 4: the opportunity that presents itself based on the end goal
Speaker 4: and the vision that they have in mind, then everything.
Speaker 2: Turns for the worst.
Speaker 4: Yes, because you you're no longer You're no longer the escape,
Speaker 4: not the scapegoat.
Speaker 5: What's the word looking for? What's the word looking for?
Speaker 2: Chad?
Speaker 4: Come on, search search search, search search. The opportunity is gone, right.
Speaker 4: They don't want to You don't want to lose your goal.
Speaker 2: No, no, what you want? What you want to say?
Speaker 2: You the meal ticket?
Speaker 5: Oh god, damn it, there you go. Well, I'm glad,
Speaker 5: but you you pull You pulled it right off you.
Speaker 5: I couldn't. I couldn't even get it. You pulled it
Speaker 5: right out, right off my tongue.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it's important and I preach it every
Speaker 4: blue moon. Assets and liability, assets and liabilities. Based on
Speaker 4: who you're dealing with, you know, if somebody should take
Speaker 4: serious or somebody for fun. Okay, you know what, understand
Speaker 4: what you're dealing with before you even talk to them, right,
Speaker 4: that's for fun. Enjoy your fun and a respectful way.
Speaker 4: And that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: Based on what she got going on, oh yeah, we
Speaker 4: could take we could take this serious. This is serious,
Speaker 4: this is something I can build.
Speaker 1: I just hate I just hate that because no matter what,
Speaker 1: you keep the child, you do what, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's her decision.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day.
Speaker 1: This should have been handled between you and Ant. If
Speaker 1: you chose to keep it, that's between you and Ant.
Speaker 1: You chose to do what you wanted to do, that's
Speaker 1: between you and And the way would about.
Speaker 2: It because it was never about and in the first place,
Speaker 2: you know that it was never about and in the
Speaker 2: first place, if it was based on what Ann has.
Speaker 4: Going on, then the rest of the world woudn't even
Speaker 4: know about it. I agree, would we would we wouldn't
Speaker 4: know about it?
Speaker 1: No, no, But you know, feelings got involved, you know
Speaker 1: you no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: ain't no feelings.
Speaker 4: You know what time it is. Understand the play The
Speaker 4: game is the game. The game has always been the game.
Speaker 4: The game hasn't changed ever.
Speaker 2: It always been that. You know what the end goal is.
Speaker 2: You understand the dynamic of the type of women you're
Speaker 2: dealing with, and you know what the end goal is.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, you live with that
Speaker 4: because you know it. You got to play the game
Speaker 4: the right way. It's chess, it's not checkers. The game
Speaker 4: hasn't changed and it never has. It will always be
Speaker 4: the same. Certain types deal with certain type of men
Speaker 4: for the opportunity and the chance at if you mess
Speaker 4: up and you get pregnant. They said, I'm good. And
Speaker 4: with the first thing they do, they expose you. They
Speaker 4: put your blast, not the money. That's what it comes,
Speaker 4: that's what that's that's the end goal at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, always is, you know, we come out
Speaker 4: with the soft stories. Oh my god, like stop, you
Speaker 4: know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: I just feel you know, I just hey, just keep
Speaker 1: your head up. It is gonna be the son's gonna
Speaker 1: come up tomorrow. You're still gonna be Anthony Edwards. You're
Speaker 1: still gonna be called the ad man. Just go out
Speaker 1: there and play your game. It doesn't hey, bro, we're
Speaker 1: human here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we all make mistakes. Yeah, they made mistakes though,
Speaker 2: them angels, them blessings. I'm talking about him. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about this general. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah too.
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying in general, based on how you
Speaker 4: might see it, a basic how based on how people
Speaker 4: the chat or people in the world might see it.
Speaker 4: All you got this so and so, fuck that, fuck
Speaker 4: that part. That part's done. I'm talking about that loew One.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about that little angel that's on the way right,
Speaker 4: that's blessing.
Speaker 2: Right, it's a blessing. That's a that's a whole new chapter.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: But here's but here is the thing, though, old Joe.
Speaker 1: Once you screenshot of that, that's there forever. Now, somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna come back and show that your dad didn't even
Speaker 1: want you. See you gotta think of See you got everybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks just right now. But I'm telling you, I'm
Speaker 2: telling you how you got to think. This is a child.
Speaker 1: Everything is now saved on the internet for perpetuity, right,
Speaker 1: So you have to be mindful of what you say,
Speaker 1: how you say it, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you think you might be talking to that individual, the
Speaker 1: little ear is gonna see the little ear is gonna
Speaker 1: hear it, the little eye is gonna see. Then what Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I ain't tell you. I ain't
Speaker 1: telling you something somebody told me. I'm telling you what
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 5: No, Yeah, you know it's important.
Speaker 4: You know it's important too, especially for those when you
Speaker 4: get a little money and you want to leave off
Speaker 4: the front porch. You know, I I think one of
Speaker 4: the most important things that we can do and one
Speaker 4: of the most important things that we should do, and
Speaker 4: this is for athletes coming up, those that might make
Speaker 4: it to the NBA, might make it to the NFL.
Speaker 5: I think it would behoove you to always get serious.
Speaker 4: With someone that was there in your corner, in your
Speaker 4: corner before you made it, m hm, in your corner
Speaker 4: before you made it.
Speaker 5: I think that's very important.
Speaker 4: I think that's very imperative because those that you meet
Speaker 4: once you've already made it, in general, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: they have your best interest at heart. I just don't
Speaker 4: think so. I don't think so, no matter how much
Speaker 4: you may think they do. Those that were in your
Speaker 4: corner when you have ship, when you had a pot
Speaker 4: to pissing or window the throw it out of Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's who I think athletes, NBA players, entertainers should deal
Speaker 4: with and marry and want to build an empire and
Speaker 4: foundation with.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's just that's that's what I think.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: How many times have we seen the story? We think
Speaker 1: about it often, o Jo. But you know what I
Speaker 1: tell people, I mean, you think the moth wants to
Speaker 1: go to the flame. He can't help what he's attracted to,
Speaker 1: even though he's going to end up killing him.
Speaker 2: Say that likes what he likes. He cannot help it,
Speaker 2: he cannot control it.
Speaker 4: Will you be getting the ship from Say that one
Speaker 4: more time? By that Math, Come on, nigga, you actually
Speaker 4: back to me. Do you actually think the math really
Speaker 4: wants to go to the flame. He cannot help himself.
Speaker 4: Individuals they like what they like? You see, Oh, Joe,
Speaker 4: I mean just like I don't know, Like for me,
Speaker 4: I wanted to Rolex. I wanted a Ferrari because that
Speaker 4: was a symbolism that I had made it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Some people want to get the girl that they never
Speaker 1: would have had an opportunity to get. That's a good one.
Speaker 1: I want to get the big house. That's a big
Speaker 1: house that I would never been had an opportunity to get.
Speaker 1: Or I want to get the car.
Speaker 2: Can't help it? Yeah, like what you like?
Speaker 4: Oh, y'all have a cassing even understand and knowing what
Speaker 4: you like and liking what you like and once you
Speaker 4: getting the money and knowing you have access to what
Speaker 4: most would view as better would be prettier. You know,
Speaker 4: is there an understanding as well in understanding that these
Speaker 4: individuals that you're going to and you're able to have
Speaker 4: access to and attain Is there a great understanding and
Speaker 4: knowing that they are not with you for you?
Speaker 2: But what you can do? Do they do? They know that?
Speaker 2: I'm just asking, does common sense setting and understand the game.
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Generalize or stereotype or and say everybody is like that,
Speaker 1: because I'm a firm believing we tight this conversational.
Speaker 2: Joe, Well we've been We've been in this lifestyle way
Speaker 2: too long.
Speaker 5: Now, don't you do that to me?
Speaker 2: Come on now, yes, so you believe, you believe real
Speaker 2: with you because of who you are, what you have real.
Speaker 4: Well, god, sh that's the hard one. This mother for
Speaker 4: ooh well, almost cursed again. Excuse me, excuse me my language.
Speaker 4: This motherfucker making more.
Speaker 5: To me right now.
Speaker 2: So that can't be. But what you have already made,
Speaker 2: You've already got a nice little bankroll. You're sitting. No, no, Joe,
Speaker 2: come on, I got listen. I got a nice little nest.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, go ahead, But you know what,
Speaker 2: I just like I said, I just want, I want
Speaker 2: what's best for a man. He'll get over this. I
Speaker 2: mean just look, I mean you embarrassed you.
Speaker 1: The biggest thing is the embarrassment that you feel right
Speaker 1: now because you what we say, you got caught with
Speaker 1: your pants down, because nobody knew. Nobody knows unless it
Speaker 1: comes to the light. And she brought it to the light.
Speaker 1: Why because she's upset with you and because your girlfriend
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh what about me? And she wants
Speaker 1: she wants you.
Speaker 5: To hurt like you hurt her, you know what, And
Speaker 5: you think about it. I mean, the situation is is not.
Speaker 4: He can't lose his job over this, but you think
Speaker 4: about dealing with people that have something to lose and
Speaker 4: people that have nothing to lose.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're ruined everything for those that.
Speaker 1: Ye sometimes they're burned.
Speaker 4: They'll burn your whole, your whole empire down because they're
Speaker 4: upset and they don't think logically. They're stuck in the
Speaker 4: now and not the long term effect of well, you know,
Speaker 4: if I hit sin, you know, it could affect it
Speaker 4: could affect a whole lot of people.
Speaker 2: You know, people don't think about that. You know, some
Speaker 2: people will sink your boat just because you won't let
Speaker 2: them drive it.
Speaker 1: Oh ship, Oh man, you're in the middle old and
Speaker 1: you won't sink the whole thing because I won't let
Speaker 1: you drive drive and we all drown, we all perished.
Speaker 2: You willing to do that.
Speaker 1: I just want look, I just I just look. I
Speaker 1: just think that for me personally, I just believe they could.
Speaker 1: There's a better way to handle every situation, no matter
Speaker 1: what it is. Everything doesn't have to go through the public, right,
Speaker 1: So why can't you go to him? Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep the child.
Speaker 2: Mm But this is a funny thing.
Speaker 4: Sometimes sometimes it's women and I'm and now I can
Speaker 4: be on this side. They can have a viewpoint on
Speaker 4: something and the man could be forcing the issue and
Speaker 4: they really can't get through to him and getting him
Speaker 4: to understand, well, I'm giving you the hint on what
Speaker 4: I really want to do.
Speaker 2: That don't piss me off.
Speaker 4: Now, if I can't get through to you, well I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go. I'm gonna get through you do this way
Speaker 4: and put everybody else in our business. And that's the
Speaker 4: way to get your attention. But on the back end,
Speaker 4: maybe not in this situation. It ends up hurting most
Speaker 4: in the long run or sometimes in the short term,
Speaker 4: because certain things like that can ruin opportunities.
Speaker 2: It can ruin chances and ruin.
Speaker 1: The relationship at the beginning, and eventually, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're young and somebody do some stuff like that, you.
Speaker 2: Like, forget you and that child. Yeah, yeah, and so.
Speaker 1: But the thing is hopefully as he matures and like
Speaker 1: I said, he grows up and he understands that's my offspring,
Speaker 1: and I want what's best for him or her. I
Speaker 1: want a healthy child, and I'm gonna love that child,
Speaker 1: even though the child was not conceived or born under
Speaker 1: ideal circumstances.
Speaker 2: It's here now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my job is to love cherishing and to make
Speaker 1: sure it's protected and have the best of what I
Speaker 1: can provide.
Speaker 5: Listen, the funny thing about it, everybody love you.
Speaker 4: Everybody love you when opportunity presents itself and it's convenient
Speaker 4: and it's beneficial. And I had this one that I
Speaker 4: had this this wonderful, this wonderful saying from a dude,
Speaker 4: a dude on Twitter, man Triac.
Speaker 6: He always said, loyalty, loyalty. Loyalty is nothing but a
Speaker 6: word in a dictionary. In a dictionary, loyalty is nothing
Speaker 6: but a word in a dictionary. Between opportunity and convenience,
Speaker 6: as long as there's opportunity and it's convenienced.
Speaker 4: Oh, we all loyal, We we all loyal when it's beneficial.
Speaker 4: But the minute it's not beneficial. Ship, Well, you know
Speaker 4: how many women behave themselves based on the individuals that
Speaker 4: they're dealing with because the situation opportunity that presents itself
Speaker 4: with a chance to me finding this again, are slim
Speaker 4: and none.
Speaker 5: So you got damn write them act right.
Speaker 2: Until it's not convenient for the time to act right.
Speaker 2: Oh you talk about flip and act a fucking fool o.
Speaker 1: The cash careers jump back in and said, oh, Joe,
Speaker 1: you sharing the personality genuine make me laugh the stories
Speaker 1: on top of the sports talk or clutch. If TV
Speaker 1: were to limit this great duo, don't do it. Uh
Speaker 1: we we we definitely thought about that, and so we're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be who we are. Unculture Jay said, unkin oho,
Speaker 1: what are some of the things people don't think, don't
Speaker 1: think you like, but you actually do? Movies, TV shows, music, food,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Also, Joe tried out this new game called
Speaker 1: the Finals. Think you would enjoy it?
Speaker 2: The Finals?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, Hey, that's a good question about things that
Speaker 4: I would like that people would know.
Speaker 2: I think my taste in music, taste, my taste in
Speaker 2: the arts. No, no, no, listen to my taste in arts.
Speaker 2: I know the chat.
Speaker 4: Anybody in the chat know about Alvin Ellie. I love dance,
Speaker 4: I love I love, I love Alvin Ellie. Obviously, my
Speaker 4: my favorite piece from Alvin Elli Revelations. I can do
Speaker 4: revelations on my well, obviously you know I have a
Speaker 4: background in ballet and dance anyway, But that's that's that's needed.
Speaker 4: Hear no there, but yo, miss Judith Jamison and mister
Speaker 4: Robert Battle. I have been a fan of a Lely
Speaker 4: since nineteen eighty eight. I was able to see Alvin
Speaker 4: Ellie at the Gusman Theater in Miami in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 4: My grandma forced me to go, Why are you making
Speaker 4: me go watch dance? I don't want to go see
Speaker 4: no dance. I don't want to go see it now,
Speaker 4: that kind of dance.
Speaker 2: No. Absolutely in eighty eight. Do you know how young
Speaker 2: I was? I'm not, come on, man? What she took
Speaker 2: me to see album nearly at the Gustment Theater in
Speaker 2: eighty eight?
Speaker 5: Man, Oh my fucking.
Speaker 4: God, booked when I just told you I can do
Speaker 4: every piece of Revelations by hard Man, love him to death,
Speaker 4: my musical choice. They hate me when I was playing
Speaker 4: with the Bengals. Whoever gets to the stadium first, gets
Speaker 4: to the speaker and has it surround sound gets to
Speaker 4: play what they want to play, because you're first, and
Speaker 4: obviously seniority rules based on how long you've been there.
Speaker 2: You walking there.
Speaker 4: One day I'm playing Sinatra, one day I'm playing Andrea
Speaker 4: Picelli playing goddamn. One day I'm playing jazz. One day
Speaker 4: I'm playing Beethoven. They hated that because I got ready
Speaker 4: for football games in a different way. I couldn't listen
Speaker 4: to rap. I needed to be very calm because I
Speaker 4: talked shit all goddamn week.
Speaker 2: Now I got to go out there and back it up.
Speaker 2: And the last thing I need to be is rock.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no boy? Yeah? What's your favorite TV show? Oh?
Speaker 4: Sad for the Sun, Good Times, Martin Cosby Show, especially
Speaker 4: Cosby showed the episode when Lassi though Domingo was on there.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you can remember anything, Bessie Mucho
Speaker 4: to Claire Huxtable. Yeah, Chad, if you see that, you
Speaker 4: got just go to YouTube me watch that part. Placido
Speaker 4: Domingo sings bessiem Mucho to Claire Huxtable and Colombo.
Speaker 5: If you look at you know, you.
Speaker 4: Notice on my Twitter, my Twitter Abby is a picture
Speaker 4: of Colombo with my face. Colombo is my favorite favorite
Speaker 4: TV series of all time.
Speaker 2: Favorite.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, obviously I liked all the good that
Speaker 1: was when all the All in the Family and the
Speaker 1: Jefferson's and the Good Times, all those I forgot if
Speaker 1: I go, I mean, I love Ozark, Snowfall, oh so
Speaker 1: Linking Lawyer. I love the Lincoln Lawyer. Uh Snowfall. I'm
Speaker 1: watching this right now. It's called I think it's called
Speaker 1: The Family on b E T. It's good Man Sasha
Speaker 1: in Paris. Yeah wait the Family. Is this a family
Speaker 1: oriented oriented type show? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a Ernie Hudson. Who's in Ernie Hudson,
Speaker 1: Tammy rowing. Lisa Ray just came on, Michael J. Michael J. White.
Speaker 1: I mean, man, look, I only watch it when I go,
Speaker 1: when I go see hey Tasha, I know you watch
Speaker 1: it when I go get my nails done.
Speaker 2: That Tasha's and so she told me, I can't watch it.
Speaker 2: I can't watch it at home, so I only watch it.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna take me probably like three years to
Speaker 1: watch the season because only watching for the hour and
Speaker 1: a half that I'm there. But it's a great show.
Speaker 1: I really, I really like that show. But I really
Speaker 1: don't watch a whole lot of TV. Oh show, if
Speaker 1: it's not sports, I don't really watch it. If it's
Speaker 1: not sports.
Speaker 4: Oh man, gotta you, gotta get you, gotta get into it.
Speaker 4: I didn't listen when the pandemic hit. When the pandemic hit,
Speaker 4: I used Twitter to get a little bit more well
Speaker 4: cultured with such things that I hadn't seen.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna see him, lie to you. I saw
Speaker 2: the wire when the pandemic hit.
Speaker 4: I sat there and beans watched the wire and tweeted
Speaker 4: the whole throughout the whole wire, me not realizing why
Speaker 4: the fuck is everybody got damn clothes so baggy.
Speaker 2: This ship was filmed way.
Speaker 4: Back in the day when I was when I was
Speaker 4: playing yes, and I never saw it until the pandemic hit.
Speaker 2: I used Twitter with some good things.
Speaker 4: I could have watched ozark Ore and.
Speaker 2: Ruth was the real deal. Boy, what about what about
Speaker 2: Queen of the South. Did you watch Queen of the South?
Speaker 2: I did. Queen Queen of the South was good.
Speaker 5: That's another one. What else I saw on Netflix?
Speaker 2: I've watched a little bit. I got into a little
Speaker 2: bit of Queen Charlotte too. Oh I ain't never heard
Speaker 2: that one. Yeah, Hey, did you see beef? You saw beef?
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 5: Well, you got to see beef.
Speaker 4: It's funny, little little little comedic, you know, a little
Speaker 4: fun Hey, beef is really good, very very very good,
Speaker 4: very funny, very funny.
Speaker 5: I'm just trying. I'm trying to think what else good times?
Speaker 5: All in the Family.
Speaker 4: Hey, you remember the all of All in the Family
Speaker 4: episode with Sammy David Jr.
Speaker 1: Because you know nor they used to say back then,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they say the N I G G E R.
Speaker 1: You are white yard. Yeah, they call you. They call
Speaker 1: you the holl And and and and the and the Cracker.
Speaker 1: They call you all like everything. And we didn't know
Speaker 1: any better. But I mean, the times are bold, and
Speaker 1: they don't say that anymore. They used to say grow
Speaker 1: Yeah on television spa they say all that stuff crazy.
Speaker 1: Your hair is the thing, you know. All that really
Speaker 1: spun off of all in the family. When you look
Speaker 1: at the Jeffersons and you look at good times, because
Speaker 1: Florida Evans was a maid on all of the family,
Speaker 1: you got always, you got good times normally started that
Speaker 1: mall b Arthur Mard yep all day.
Speaker 5: Okay, I ain't know that. I never saw I never
Speaker 5: saw miss mister Esther roll On.
Speaker 2: I ain't know that.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, uh.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Jared Gaither asked bunking on your in family feud, which
Speaker 1: family members are you choosing and who to win?
Speaker 2: Love the show Fellas and that's the family feud. No,
Speaker 2: you know it's not fair.
Speaker 5: What my mama not here, right? My grandma not here? Man,
Speaker 5: You're not thinking them on there.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying if they were here, rest in peace.
Speaker 4: Those are the type of people that I would need
Speaker 4: on family feud. My grandma smart, Oh, she's shop.
Speaker 2: She shot.
Speaker 1: Asking the topic, asking these questions about today's time. Man,
Speaker 1: Grant ain't gonna be asking them questions. I ain't even
Speaker 1: thinking about taking my great ain't.
Speaker 2: In Mama and Dad we're gonna take uh. If my
Speaker 2: sister wants to go, I'll take her, but she's probably
Speaker 2: gonna I want. I know my kids to the pressure.
Speaker 2: I know my kids the pressure.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my three kids, so I only got
Speaker 1: one person left. My brother ain't gonna My brother ain't
Speaker 1: gonna want to go. You know who I'm gonna take.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my uh, I'm gonna take my cousin.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Mud, I'm gonna take semya.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, you know, you know how I'm okay,
Speaker 4: I'm now let me get deep into my family.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking people on family.
Speaker 4: Few family members of mine that have great critical thinking
Speaker 4: skills right and pressure situations. Yes, I have a cousin,
Speaker 4: mh a cousin, Lisa Dingle. I know Lisa, gonna see that.
Speaker 4: She's a teacher.
Speaker 2: Lisa is very smart, brilliant mind. She's going with me.
Speaker 5: That's one uh.
Speaker 4: Real, you gotta take real, real, brilliant mind, very smart,
Speaker 4: very smart.
Speaker 2: Teaching me a few things because I thought I knew
Speaker 2: it all. I need two more. I'm taking.
Speaker 4: I'm taking a little I'm taking a little brother, Chauncey, Chauncey.
Speaker 4: I know you're watching this, baby, I love you. I'm
Speaker 4: taking my little brother, Chauncey. Mad Now wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 4: I'm oh, you know, one of my kids going, I
Speaker 4: know which one's gonna go down, but the other one
Speaker 4: they're not gonna be mad because they're not gonna be
Speaker 4: able to do it.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna be able to do.
Speaker 4: It in that type of presures situation and having the
Speaker 4: critical thing and skills to be able to answer on
Speaker 4: Q very fast like that.
Speaker 5: My oldest daughter, Jakiro. Okay, that's that's that's our thing that.
Speaker 1: We asked one hundred people to top five as on
Speaker 1: the board. They be coming up all old you, I
Speaker 1: think I might get you? And what family feud?
Speaker 2: Oh no, boy, that's what.
Speaker 1: I do by jeopardy and family feud that you know,
Speaker 1: good will, you're not about to beat me in no Jeopardy.
Speaker 2: That I used to sit there watch Jeffrey with my
Speaker 2: grandma every day. O Joe, I actually went on Jeopardy
Speaker 2: in one. Yeah, but you know they cheated. Yeah, on Jeopardy,
Speaker 2: they gave you the answers ahead of time.
Speaker 1: And see here's the thing though, Oh Joe, you can't
Speaker 1: ring in because if you ring in before he asked
Speaker 1: the finished answer the question, its god.
Speaker 2: It locks y'all. Oh for real? Yeah, Okay, that's a
Speaker 2: good one. I like that.
Speaker 1: T Jhilsworth asked, what's the best take you've heard from
Speaker 1: another analyst on either of your show or shows? Uh?
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, I don't know about you, but I don't
Speaker 2: really listen to anybody else's take. I listen. I listen
Speaker 2: all y'all. I listened all y'all. I do I like
Speaker 2: I like him what I say I like.
Speaker 5: I like him with stephen A. That the funniest one
Speaker 5: I like about it.
Speaker 4: Everybody takes different, Yes, everybody takes different. That the delivery
Speaker 4: might be the delivery might be the same, but the
Speaker 4: way it's said, the way it said is completely different.
Speaker 4: But everybody's saying the same thing at times.
Speaker 2: Now. I think the person with the worst takes I
Speaker 2: love him to death. I love him to death. That's
Speaker 2: my guy.
Speaker 4: But Lashawan mccoye, Hey, but Lashawan, funny boy.
Speaker 5: Lashawn is so funny and he'd be dead ass serious.
Speaker 4: But he gonna go all the way opposite everybody else
Speaker 4: every goddamn time, trying to Hey, he is funny. I
Speaker 4: listen to Richard Sherman. I listened to Skip. I listen
Speaker 4: or losty Ryan Clark Swag who I like Swago, Yeah,
Speaker 4: swagg he nice.
Speaker 1: Oh, I ain't gonna lie. I don't listen to anybody
Speaker 1: when I come, when I come into the room, everybody.
Speaker 1: There's no sound on when I when I go to work,
Speaker 1: ain't no sound on when I go into the green room,
Speaker 1: Ain't no sound on when I'm home, ain't no sound on. Right,
Speaker 1: I don't hear what anybody. I don't hear what anybody said.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they say.
Speaker 2: Whatever you say, your first thought is always exactly how
Speaker 2: you here, based.
Speaker 1: On what you've seen, based on what I say. Nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna influence me a change. I might agree, I might disagree.
Speaker 1: We might be close, Like you said, we might be close,
Speaker 1: and a lot of what we say. Maybe my word
Speaker 1: and how I get to my point is different.
Speaker 2: But I don't. I don't really listen to anybody.
Speaker 1: Now, having been at ESPN and having met the guys
Speaker 1: and having gone up against it, you know, Ryan H
Speaker 1: R C and d O H. I've been on once
Speaker 1: with swagu uh P, Matt, Pat McAfee, uh Saturday, Jeff Saturday.
Speaker 1: But as far as like listening to what anybody else
Speaker 1: have to say.
Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, that's good. I want my I want
Speaker 2: my thoughts to be original.
Speaker 1: Red red line one G says I'm curious where you
Speaker 1: get that necklace from.
Speaker 2: It's uh you stay dripped out? Well what that is?
Speaker 2: What Nicholas you talking about? I ain't got no necklace
Speaker 2: on mane. Let me let me see that look like
Speaker 2: look at I saw some ruby, I saw some rubies
Speaker 2: and little little jemstone look something.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Hey, well you can't. You can't have money, bro, when
Speaker 4: it's coming and you can't hide it. Bro, I see
Speaker 4: you look good?
Speaker 2: Now, you know this is the only thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, this, this and this watch was the only
Speaker 1: thing I had on when my house got broken into
Speaker 1: and got robbed all my stuff.
Speaker 2: Hey, but you had insurance or right? Yeah for sure? Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: oh Joe, But you know what, It's not about the assurance.
Speaker 2: I hate that. It's the violation of somebody coming in
Speaker 2: and taking taking your you know issue. You know what happened.
Speaker 2: See you don't move like that.
Speaker 4: But when it comes to rappers or entertainers or athletes,
Speaker 4: that always that always have entourages. Whenever somebody house or
Speaker 4: some type of place that gets broken into, it's always
Speaker 4: somebody in your camp.
Speaker 5: It's always the people closest.
Speaker 2: To you that do it.
Speaker 4: But with you, that's that's a that's a difference because
Speaker 4: you don't you.
Speaker 2: Don't move like that. You have I ain't have nobody.
Speaker 2: I mean time is right in the house. Who did it?
Speaker 1: Nah? They said there's there's gang that's going around. Oh
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: And a lot and a lot of there are several
Speaker 1: houses in this area that had gotten broken into.
Speaker 2: So it is what it is? Uh what else we got?
Speaker 2: Ok o?
Speaker 1: Joe Winfrey, how do you stop being promiscuous and focused
Speaker 1: on building meaningful relationships? I've ended several relationships with a
Speaker 1: woman who were wife material.
Speaker 2: And how do I work on it? Love? Y'all? Let me?
Speaker 1: I Oh, you can ask him ask answer the question
Speaker 1: however he chooses. But for me and being where I
Speaker 1: am in life now, it's tough to trust, man, It
Speaker 1: really is.
Speaker 2: It really is. And the vetting process that I.
Speaker 1: Could have gone through or I should have gone through,
Speaker 1: uh when I was in college or my first couple
Speaker 1: of years the league before I became what I later became.
Speaker 2: It's hard, man, It's hard.
Speaker 1: And everybody and and even even when things are at
Speaker 1: their best, when someone gets mad at you, they'll turn.
Speaker 2: And they'll do things that you like. I never thought
Speaker 2: if somebody how to put everything out on that. You
Speaker 2: have never did this to me.
Speaker 1: So when someone says, oh, I wouldn't do that, I'm oh, Joe,
Speaker 1: I've been done saying what a person will or won't do,
Speaker 1: because you have no idea under circumstances what a person
Speaker 1: will or won't do.
Speaker 2: You don't. Yeah, you don't. You don't.
Speaker 4: You never know, you know, you you never know. And
Speaker 4: that's a scary part. That's a scary part because human nature.
Speaker 4: Human nature is unpredictable. Yes, human nature is unpredictable. I
Speaker 4: don't care how much someone says they love you. Yes,
Speaker 4: human error stay with me now. Human error is inevitable.
Speaker 4: I don't care how much someone says they love you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. We all make mistakes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when someone gets you get married, you can
Speaker 1: been married with that person five or six years. Divorce
Speaker 1: is Divorce is the worst thing because the woman gives
Speaker 1: half your money and take all the huha.
Speaker 2: That is a good trade off, O, Joe. It ain't.
Speaker 5: That's why, that's why, that's that's why you think I
Speaker 5: ain't saying.
Speaker 2: I ain't.
Speaker 4: If at any point she may decide, you know what, baby,
Speaker 4: I don't love you no more. I don't feel the
Speaker 4: same way I did about you six seven years ago.
Speaker 4: Well you know what, if you pay me to leave,
Speaker 4: you got to pay.
Speaker 2: Me to leave.
Speaker 5: I need, I need her and I want I want
Speaker 5: the baby, the baby staying with me.
Speaker 2: Ah, bab, you just tried to hurt. Now, you just
Speaker 2: trying to hurt d I ain't trying to hurt. I
Speaker 2: ain't trying to hurt.
Speaker 4: Why no, because I I that's my responsibility. That's that's
Speaker 4: my responsibility.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: Because I also wanted I also want a spout, the support,
Speaker 4: spousal support, so I want the baby with me.
Speaker 2: So you are child support too? Uh oh yeah, child support? Yeah? Man.
Speaker 4: The lifestyle that she has provided, in the comfortable lifestyle
Speaker 4: that I get to live now because I have someone,
Speaker 4: you know, that's.
Speaker 2: Doing better than me.
Speaker 4: I'm enjoying this and I don't want to lose that lifestyle.
Speaker 4: What I mean, they do it to us, They do
Speaker 4: it to us all the time. Uh wow, wild cookie,
Speaker 4: said Uncle Ocho. Yesterday, I left my sixteen year old
Speaker 4: b Sean, Luna, go take her rest.
Speaker 2: She was so special. I'm heartbroken. Bro.
Speaker 1: You ain't got to tell me. You ain't gotta tell
Speaker 1: me nothing about putting dogs down, because what kind of
Speaker 1: dog be Sean Preze.
Speaker 4: Oh man, beautiful white, beautiful white, yes, beautiful, Yes, damn boy.
Speaker 1: He said, but you, but you are cutting over coach Prime.
Speaker 1: Last night made me laugh through my tears.
Speaker 2: Think up.
Speaker 1: Luna slept in my bed, no questions asked, bad look
Speaker 1: here like I said, Oh Joe, and I tell this
Speaker 1: is one of my one of my favorite quotes.
Speaker 2: Don't don't.
Speaker 4: Don't do it because you're gonna make You're gonna have
Speaker 4: me crying again. Now you had me, You had me
Speaker 4: crying last time you talk about them dogs.
Speaker 2: Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oscar Ramero once said, he said, some things can
Speaker 1: only be seen through the eyes that will cry. Sometimes
Speaker 1: a person can cry and you don't understand until those
Speaker 1: very tales have been in your eyes. For a very
Speaker 1: similar reason. So when he said some things can only
Speaker 1: be seen through the eyes of cry, Caesaralmaro, Now caesaral Mero,
Speaker 1: he's the uh.
Speaker 2: He was a he was an archbishop. I think it's
Speaker 2: it's it's caesaral Mero. Mm hmm. He's an archbishop.
Speaker 4: Oh, I need some tissue, but you fu you real quick.
Speaker 4: But you know, look, man, I got need some tissue
Speaker 4: for real man. Y'all y'all messing. I'm a goddamn Matt Carroll.
Speaker 1: Man Oscar Romero, I thought, so. Yeah, he's a large
Speaker 1: bishop right Central America.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Caesar Romero was the.
Speaker 1: Guy that played the Joker in the original Batman. Oh, O,
Speaker 1: g oho, you remember how do you do stop number
Speaker 1: eighty five? I borrowed that in high school? How do
Speaker 1: you stop number four? And mom wrote it on a car.
Speaker 1: The opposing team seen it, and I felt some type
Speaker 1: of way. I tore her, you know what up?
Speaker 2: Mom?
Speaker 1: Put you out there? Yeah, but you do it all
Speaker 1: that talking? She said, I want to see what you.
Speaker 2: What you what you bout? What what happened? I missed that.
Speaker 2: When I missed it, I had the white materia. I
Speaker 2: had the white materias real quick.
Speaker 1: He said, O, g oho, you remember how you how
Speaker 1: you do the stop eighty five? I borrowed that in
Speaker 1: high school? How do you stop number four? And my
Speaker 1: mom wrote it on her car. The opposing team seen it.
Speaker 1: I felt some type of way I tore they you
Speaker 1: he said, I tore there. You know what?
Speaker 2: Oh, so he backed it up. He backed it up.
Speaker 2: There we go. That's all to come down to. If
Speaker 2: you if you talk it, you gotta walk it. Every
Speaker 2: time U G Firm says what they do.
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, I'm from the city seventy ninth and fourteen
Speaker 1: where they do Home team. Wanted to ask if you
Speaker 1: ever made amends with Rabu Cannon, make amends for.
Speaker 2: What he's the real deer. I love I love Ray.
Speaker 1: You played against Ray. Y'all had problems on the field.
Speaker 1: Look in the UH in the second super Bowl, you
Speaker 1: know Ray Ray? Would You have to understand Ray was
Speaker 1: at Indy so they ain't won.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 1: So this is the first time that he's been in
Speaker 1: the media. This is the first time that you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get some attention. So ain't nobody thinking about Ray?
Speaker 1: Everybody we the overwhelming favorite. We mabe, I mean, we broke.
Speaker 1: We had just snapped the UH. The NF seats fourteen
Speaker 1: year reign. So the previous fourteen Super Bow, the NFC
Speaker 1: won and they weren't close. With the exception of the
Speaker 1: ninety Super Bowl in which the Giants, I think the
Speaker 1: Giants won twenty nineteen. All the rest of them been
Speaker 1: blow out fifty five, ten forty five, ten thirty five, this,
Speaker 1: you know this. You know Cowboys one fifty five nineteen
Speaker 1: and all. So the game weren't closed. We beat Green
Speaker 1: May thirty one, twenty four. We're coming back repeat, about
Speaker 1: to make history because you know, Mike told us, say,
Speaker 1: if you want to be remembered, you gotta go back
Speaker 1: to back.
Speaker 2: We gotta do this thing back to back. So that
Speaker 2: was on our mind, and you know, he started.
Speaker 1: Popping off, you know, getting a little you know, he
Speaker 1: came out there with a dog collar, talk like they
Speaker 1: the underdog. The best thing happened to them. I got hurt.
Speaker 1: Had I not got hurt, I was gonna be the MVP.
Speaker 1: I'll go tell I will go tell.
Speaker 2: You for get you for get a boy, that bitness
Speaker 2: because we had played them the year before.
Speaker 1: I went for like five for a buck, ten on
Speaker 1: a tub, right man, We gonna, man, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: a number on them because we already knew they was
Speaker 1: gonna get up to start TV, and so we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to throw football John ended up winning MVP. Rod
Speaker 1: Smith had an eighty yard touchdown. I mean, yeah, we
Speaker 1: can go do a number on him. But I ain't
Speaker 1: got no problem with Ray. I talked to him. I haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't know where he is now. He was in
Speaker 1: Atlanta a couple of years, you know, after that's happened here,
Speaker 1: and we had a conversation.
Speaker 2: But we ain't. I ain't got no beat.
Speaker 1: Michael Ruben Robin says, Oh, Joe, how did you become
Speaker 1: the go route runner?
Speaker 2: He didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good that's how you do what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's a good question. Man, working up work, working on
Speaker 4: working on my craft. You know, it's funny who doesn't
Speaker 4: get the credit. And I'm so glad I can say
Speaker 4: this for those in the chat, the people that might
Speaker 4: not might not know. I know, there are there are
Speaker 4: many football players in here that are watching. The person
Speaker 4: responsible for my success, and I'm gonna say with my
Speaker 4: route runner that helped me out started in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 4: Charles Collins.
Speaker 2: If you don't know who Charles Collins.
Speaker 4: Is, we started something called Phenom Factory back in the day,
Speaker 4: back in La when I was in La, I lived
Speaker 4: you know. Obviously back I lived in the jungles in
Speaker 4: the third building right off Coliseum, across from Dorsey. Charles
Speaker 4: Collins is responsible for my route running. He gave me
Speaker 4: a formula. He gave me a formula with the cones
Speaker 4: and the ladders, and I took that formula and I
Speaker 4: didn't just work when we had to work, and we
Speaker 4: had to train, and I did it over and over
Speaker 4: and over and over until it became muscle memory and
Speaker 4: it became routine.
Speaker 2: Not only did it become routine, I became it became
Speaker 2: a habit.
Speaker 4: In such a habit where I was telling people my
Speaker 4: route right before the snap of the ball in confidence,
Speaker 4: knowing that I would still be I would still be
Speaker 4: able to get open because they probably thought I was
Speaker 4: lying anyway.
Speaker 2: They probably thought I was lying anyway. So it was
Speaker 2: a mind game. It was. It was. It was, It was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It was a mental game of mental gymnastics, like I
Speaker 4: call it. And it worked every time. Thought my feet
Speaker 4: had a mine of the own, don't Sometimes I didn't
Speaker 4: even know it was wrong. I thought they had they
Speaker 4: had a mine of their own. It was I don't know,
Speaker 4: it was crazy, but I hone that craft for years
Speaker 4: for it even looked like it did once I got.
Speaker 5: To the pinnacle. What's that called the NFL.
Speaker 2: That was a lot of work, man, shit not I think,
Speaker 2: of course, Oh my god, that's a lot of work.
Speaker 1: Well, they said, you become great at something, you have
Speaker 1: to do it for ten thousand hours. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: can't stop doing it once you master the craft.
Speaker 2: That's your art.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: You know what happened now when the engine the engine
Speaker 4: get a little old, Now that thing or run like
Speaker 4: I used to now, but that was to get a
Speaker 4: little old and beat up Ojo.
Speaker 1: But see, that's why you probably was able to play
Speaker 1: as long as you did play because what got me
Speaker 1: through Ojo, is that I understood that my athleticism was
Speaker 1: going to wage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my technique.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be able to be fast. I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna be able to outrun everybody. I wasn't gonna be
Speaker 1: as strong as everybody. But if I was technically sound,
Speaker 1: yeah that's gonna Why how you think, Brady, how you
Speaker 1: think many play all these years didn't have the athletic
Speaker 1: because they never relied on athletal cisms. Yes, I did
Speaker 1: rely on some athleticism but I was technically sound dropped
Speaker 1: the hips in and out. You know, A if I'm
Speaker 1: running the seven rounds, I'm gonna give you two step.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you two three steps to the pole,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna every time, and then you're gonna be
Speaker 1: right there and then I'm going right here to the
Speaker 1: to the seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh man.
Speaker 1: There there are little things that you do that you
Speaker 1: get great at and it becomes second nature and you
Speaker 1: can do it. You can do it in your sleep.
Speaker 1: Ryan Logan asked, hey, Uncano, Joe, I'm an aspiring sports
Speaker 1: analyst journalist. I just want to know any advice you
Speaker 1: guys would have in pursuing this career between the love between,
Speaker 1: uh between, I love the pods.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not a journalist.
Speaker 1: I don't have a journalistic journalistic background, so I can't
Speaker 1: tell you if you were to go that route.
Speaker 2: All I can tell you is this, Look, if you
Speaker 2: believe it and you got fact back it up, say it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's really that simple. It's really that simple. And I
Speaker 2: really can't answer the question on being an analyst.
Speaker 4: Because they have a problem. I love every goddamn body.
Speaker 4: I'm too fucking nice. It's hard to be critical. So
Speaker 4: right now, I'm not an analyst. I'm just I don't
Speaker 4: even know what.
Speaker 2: You call it. I don't even know the word to
Speaker 2: call it. It's just I'm I'm so you my own boy, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. I think the issue with me is you
Speaker 2: get at it, you get you you, you get better
Speaker 2: at it, you know.
Speaker 4: What you know. I think my problem is. I think
Speaker 4: the problem is is I'm not far enough removed from
Speaker 4: the game and I'm so close and still now you
Speaker 4: a decade, yeah, but I'm still I'm still engulf and submerge.
Speaker 2: Know what you are when you today, guys you like
Speaker 2: with them, guys dapping you up, they gonna no, no, no,
Speaker 2: they go, they gonna let me regardless because it's me.
Speaker 2: I'm just. I'm just, I'm a loving problem. You critique that.
Speaker 2: Not when you critique the aans like I do. Huh.
Speaker 1: Now, when you critique dance like I do, say nothing
Speaker 1: because it's me think nothing nothing, no, no, no ojo.
Speaker 1: Because there's a there's an understanding on the way I
Speaker 1: do critique. But when you you're not critical by you
Speaker 1: be mean, boy, No, you be mean.
Speaker 4: Listen, if I were playing today, if I was playing today,
Speaker 4: and you said some of that. The way you deliver
Speaker 4: even though you're being critical and it's your job, it's
Speaker 4: your job to do that. I ain't gonna say nothing,
Speaker 4: but when I see you, I'm gonna go upside your head.
Speaker 1: That's that's how that's how I would have I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that's why I win.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: No, No, I was just like, hey, o Joe, you
Speaker 1: need to be better. You say you're top five receiver,
Speaker 1: and what you gave us to Day ain't top five. Okay,
Speaker 1: you gave us to Day ain't top fifteen.
Speaker 4: Right, right, right, But sometimes in order to be received,
Speaker 4: you know, you need ten others to be able to
Speaker 4: be top five consistently.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can't. You didn't do it. You didn't say
Speaker 2: I was. You didn't say I was top five contingent
Speaker 2: on those other teams. That's not what you say. That's
Speaker 2: a good one. I like how you being detailed. Love
Speaker 2: how I like how you be in detailed.
Speaker 1: I love how people say I'm this and I'm that
Speaker 1: in the minute that not that they say what it's
Speaker 1: the team game.
Speaker 2: Well, you didn't mention it was a team game when
Speaker 2: you was bragging about yourself.
Speaker 4: Right, right, that's very difficult though, And you know Prime,
Speaker 4: you know, Prime told you, you know, you know on
Speaker 4: on how difficult. And I told you before too, and
Speaker 4: I was I was gracious and in saying that's something
Speaker 4: very difficult, difficult for me to do. And Prime said
Speaker 4: it last night. Oh chadbow that that mother game from
Speaker 4: to talk about nobody, No, I never have ever.
Speaker 1: But you know why, you know why, you know why.
Speaker 1: It's because here is the thing. The greater the player,
Speaker 1: the harsh of this criticism stings you are. So you
Speaker 1: are a great player. So the criticism is gonna sting.
Speaker 1: I was a great player. I'm in the hall. It's
Speaker 1: gonna sting a little more. So they can't use see,
Speaker 1: they can't use where you didn't do it when you played?
Speaker 1: You got Pro Bowls and all pro to back it up.
Speaker 1: I got Pro Bowls, Super Bowls, gold jacket to back
Speaker 1: it up. So now what's their critique?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So what are they gonna say? I don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about? What did you win? How were you
Speaker 2: as a player? You better check that? A decade team? Yeahhh,
Speaker 2: there it is. So see and that's the thing.
Speaker 1: That's what Time and I we talk about like I
Speaker 1: said time and I used to talking all the time. He's, Oh,
Speaker 1: you don't understand. Look at who the criticism is coming
Speaker 1: from you, not just some Joe blow.
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 1: If you Joe blow, they can blow that off. Well,
Speaker 1: you don't know they'll be talking about right.
Speaker 2: And you know.
Speaker 4: The the good thing I do like is the players
Speaker 4: that are being criticized understand you're being criticized because we
Speaker 4: hold you to a different standard based on where you are,
Speaker 4: based on who you are. That's letting you know you
Speaker 4: are that boy. You're just not playing up to the
Speaker 4: standards that we're used to seeing.
Speaker 1: That's all Uncle Shaven watching you for years, I grew
Speaker 1: up watching your tear up the field. Question for you, legend.
Speaker 1: I have a small YouTube channel eight thousand subs, review
Speaker 1: and tech. What advice do you have to grow my
Speaker 1: brand and channel authenticity?
Speaker 2: Be at? This is? This is.
Speaker 5: You gotta do something, though, listen to me. You gotta
Speaker 5: do something to command the eye.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4: You gotta do something to command I don't don't do
Speaker 4: nothing crazy, don't done crazy, but you got to do
Speaker 4: something different to command the eye.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 5: Once you do whatever it is different to command the
Speaker 5: eye boom. It goes from there.
Speaker 1: Getting them is the easy part. Keeping them is the
Speaker 1: hard part. Yeah yeah, because interesting people and you're never
Speaker 1: going to get a second chance to make a first impression.
Speaker 1: So whatever you do, whatever you roll out, whatever you
Speaker 1: roll out, let it be the best. And I'd rather
Speaker 1: be delayed in delivering something as opposed to be rushed
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna get those You're not gonna get
Speaker 1: those people back right, and said, man, this is this
Speaker 1: was some bullgi or the food didn't taste good, that's
Speaker 1: not They're not gonna come back. So it was very
Speaker 1: unique in what we did when we started this channel.
Speaker 1: But we were all authentic selves.
Speaker 2: This is this is who we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so bro, just keep plugging away a found. Just
Speaker 1: just be true to who you are. Whatever your brand is.
Speaker 1: I don't know what your brand is. I think everybody.
Speaker 1: My brand is disciplined. My brand is hard work. My
Speaker 1: brand is dedication, determination. I like to think I'm professional
Speaker 1: and whatever your brand is, that needs to be your
Speaker 1: brand all the time.
Speaker 2: My brand is ship buo.
Speaker 4: I love you, you know, I joke, but I can
Speaker 4: get serious based on what the topic is at hand.
Speaker 4: And the only problem I have with my brand is
Speaker 4: I curse you damn much.
Speaker 5: That's it.
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Speaker 1: Uh man. But here's the thing, And let me tell
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Speaker 1: that black and white concord. And then he came with
Speaker 1: the breads, and then he came with the cool grades. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even the Arctics ain't nothing touching that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love the ogs, you know, the original O g
Speaker 1: the black, white, red, the breads, the O g Ones.
Speaker 2: That's with them. Ain't nothing much with the levels now.
Speaker 4: Funny thing, Adam, don't. I don't have no Jordan's. It's
Speaker 4: outside of the jordan Ones.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. I mean all the all the
Speaker 2: basic colors.
Speaker 4: I don't have nothing else except Jordan ones, and I
Speaker 4: like to I really wear them.
Speaker 2: And you know, I hop you know I hooping my ones? Jright, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you should ooping my ones? I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't like support and people like, man, what you're doing?
Speaker 4: You ain't got no ankle braces. I need to feel
Speaker 4: the floor. I'm weird, it's weird. I need to feel
Speaker 4: the floor, if I.
Speaker 2: If I if I if I can't feel, If I
Speaker 2: can't feel the floor, it feels like it's when I
Speaker 2: played right, you know? You know you heard me? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I heard.
Speaker 4: I was a Rebok and Rebox made my shoes back then,
Speaker 4: I made Rebok take all the lining out my shoe.
Speaker 4: I ain't want no support, so all it was was
Speaker 4: a cleat the shell and some shoelaces. So it felt
Speaker 4: like a track spike. So every step I took, I
Speaker 4: need to feel. I need to feel the bottom of
Speaker 4: the floor. Did you take your ankles?
Speaker 2: Hell? No, because that that would restrict me and stopping
Speaker 2: and getting out of my break. Yeah. I don't want
Speaker 2: to restrict manage.
Speaker 1: I take directly to my skin. Oh I had I had,
Speaker 1: you know, I had that mold skin. You know that
Speaker 1: brown tape. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I taped directly to
Speaker 1: my skin. Now that was just on game day during
Speaker 1: the week I used you know, pre wrap didn't get
Speaker 1: a tape that tight. But boy, no I couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: Jordan B. Says, But the one is the original.
Speaker 1: The icon when you say Eric Jordan is the sneaker
Speaker 1: that people think of, it is, but it's not the
Speaker 1: most popular one. So yeah, again, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: for watching another episode of Nightcare. Please make sure you
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Speaker 1: subscribe button. Uh, we really really appreciate you. We'll be back.
Speaker 1: I'll be back on Wednesday with gil O. Jo might
Speaker 1: stop by for a couple of minutes on.
Speaker 2: I'd be in the chat. Nah, you might have to
Speaker 2: you might have to come in for an hour. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna come in for an hour. Hi, Hi, oh Joe.
Speaker 1: And I'll definitely be back on Thursday night. And then
Speaker 1: we're back at it again Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Uh and hey,
Speaker 1: because you know, you know, the big game is on
Speaker 1: on on Christmas, the forty nine ers in the Ravens.
Speaker 5: The Ravens, So we'll be will be a defense Defense.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a criminal special. Yes, I'm gonna be here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here. I gotta be here in Philly too,
Speaker 1: because I got yeah NFL on Tuesday, yep.
Speaker 2: So thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.
Speaker 1: I'm your favorite sports on Shannon Sharp, He's your favorite,
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Speaker 1: Shaan Johnson, We're out, guys.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us tonight. Love y'all,