1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: All right, hour two Sean Hannity Show, Thanks for being 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: with us, told free our numbers eight hundred and nine 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: four one Sean if you want to be a part 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: of the program. All right. So, actually in the break, 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm reading through in great specificity, in detail the indictment 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: of President Trump, and it pretty much sounds the same. Now, 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: would pay close attention to this, and then we'll bring 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: in our legal experts for commentary. A little bit later 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: in the program, it says, the Grand Jury of the 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: County of New York, by this indictment, accuses the defendant 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: of falsifying business records in the first degree in violation 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: of Penal Law one seven five point one zero, committed 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: as follows the defendant in the County of New York 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: and elsewhere on our about February fourteen, twenty seventeen, with 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: the intent to defraud and intend to commit another crime, 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: and aid and concealed the commission there of. By the way, 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: stop there with the intent to defraud. How do they 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: know what the intention of President Trump was? And remember 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: it was Michael Kohne that said he and he alone 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: was involved in this arrangement, that the Trump organization, the 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: Trump campaign had nothing to do with it, not him 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: through his lawyer. He said that, by the way, I 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: think he actually said it himself too, And so what 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: do you mean he did it? What does that mean? 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: And then it says and the intent to commit another crime? 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: What other crime? Words matter in indictments and aid and 27 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: conceal the commission thereof made and caused a false entry 28 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: in the business records of an enterprise to wit an 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: invoice from Michael Kohen dated in February fourteen, twenty seventeen, 30 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And then it goes on from there, 31 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: and it's the same penal code, third count, fourth count, 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: and we keep going in the fifth count and the 33 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: sixth count, and let's see, you know, except you're now 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: dealing with either Michael Khne an entry in the detail 35 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: general ledger for Donald J. Trump Trump revocable trust bearing 36 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: voucher number blankety blankety blank. That's the only difference. And 37 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: then it comes again in the same exact law cited 38 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: in the seventh count, and in the eighth count, and 39 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: in the ninth count, and in the tenth count, and 40 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: in the eleventh count falsify business records in the first degree, 41 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: and in the twelfth count, and in the thirteenth count, 42 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: and in the fourteenth count, and the fifteenth count and 43 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: the sixteenth count, and again it always says intent to 44 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: defraud and intend to commit another crime? What other crime, 45 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: and aid and conceal the commission thereof? First of all, 46 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: how do you prove intent to in fraud? Intent to defraud? 47 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: And how how do you have intent to commit another crime? 48 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: What do you mean intent to commit another crime? I 49 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: intend I'm so mad at somebody. I'm gonna somebody says 50 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: I'll kill you if you do that. They mean that 51 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: probably not um, did you have the intent because you 52 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: said it? Is that what you're saying? I mean? This 53 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: is this is insane. Seventeenth count, same thing, eighteenth count, 54 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: same thing, nineteenth count, same thing, twentieth count, same thing, 55 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: twenty first account, same thing, twenty second account, same thing, 56 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: twenty third account, same thing, twenty fourth account, same thing, 57 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: twenty fifth account, same thing, twenty sixth account, same thing, 58 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: twenty up to twenty seventh account, same thing, twenty eighth accounts, 59 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: same thing, twenty nineth accounts, same thing, twenty let's see, 60 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: thirtieth count, same thing, h thirty first account, same thing, 61 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: thirty second account, same thing, thirty third accounts same thing, 62 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: thirty fourth account, same thing, all based on the novel 63 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: theory concocted never four used insanity of a overly aggress 64 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: You talk about the word prosecutorial abuse, this is it 65 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: in spades, you know. And keep in mind what I 66 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: read in the last hour the top criminals, theft, robbery, rape, 67 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: all these charges constantly downgraded to misdemeanors. This is the 68 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: only case where because the statute of limitations had passed 69 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: for New York state law, they try to reach to 70 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: a federal law. Well, I interviewed the FS former FEC chair, 71 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: So this is not in any way rise to a 72 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: level that this is criminal, not at all. And you 73 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: look at Alvin Bragg, look at this guy. Fifty two 74 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: percent of felony arrest downgraded to misdemeanors. That was in 75 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. That was last year. By the way, 76 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: the daughter of the presiding judge in the case worked 77 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: for Biden and Harris. I'm sure we can expect somebody 78 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: to say that they're taking themselves out. No, that's not 79 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: going to happen. But then you look in twenty twenty two, 80 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: fifty percent of felony cases result in conviction. That is 81 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: a failure rate of fifty percent. In twenty twenty two, 82 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: the defendant and thirty four percent of felony cases pleaded 83 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: to a misdemeanor. I mean, this is not a law 84 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: and order district attorney, and this is a guy that 85 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: ran a campaign for the very purpose of going after 86 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: one man, one family. You know, let's see, we've got 87 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: other examples as tenure, as DA doing large part to 88 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: the warp priorities and this far left agenda we went 89 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: over yesterday. The New York Times rightly pointed out because 90 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: George Soros claiming, I'm I didn't donate any money to 91 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg. No, but the Color of Change did. It's 92 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: a group. And the million dollars they donated to the 93 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: Bragg campaign, where did they get it from George Soros? 94 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: So when you say Soros funding prosecutors, this is happening 95 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: around the country, tons of money from tons of people 96 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: to elect these soft on crime. No bill defund dismantle 97 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: the police radicals. You know, Bragg's office offered a sweetheart 98 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: deal to a suspect charge that a brutal anti Semitic 99 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: beating of a Jewish man in Manhattan. I told you 100 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: about that case. Balance anyway, here's Braggy's at the podium. 101 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: Under New York state law, is a felony to falsify 102 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: business records with intent to the fraud and intent to 103 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: conceal another crime. That is exactly what this case is about. 104 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: Thirty four false statements made to cover up other crimes. 105 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: These are felony crimes in New York State. No matter 106 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: who you are, we cannot and will not normalized serious 107 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: criminal conducts. The defendant repeatedly made false statements on New 108 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: York business records. He also caused others to make false statements. 109 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: The defendant claimed that he was paying Michael Cohen for 110 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: legal services performed in twenty seventeen. This simply was not true, 111 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: and it was a false statement that the defendant made 112 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: month after month in two seventeen April, May June, and 113 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: so on through the rest of the year. For nine 114 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: straight months, the defended held documents in his hand containing 115 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: this key lie that he was paying Michael Cohen for 116 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: legal services performed in twenty seventeen, and he personally signed 117 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: checks for payments to Michael Cohen for each of these 118 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: nine months. In total, the grand jury found there were 119 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: thirty four documents with this critical false statement. Why did 120 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump repeatedly make these false statements? The evidence will 121 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: show that he did so to cover up crimes relating 122 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: to the twenty sixteen election. Donald Trump, executives at the 123 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: publishing company American Media Incorporated, mister Cohen, and others agreed 124 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen to a catch and kill scheme, that 125 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: is a scheme to buy and suppress negative information to 126 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: help mister Trump's chance of winning the election. As part 127 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: of this scheme, Donald Trump and others made three payments 128 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: to people who claimed to have negative information about mister Trump. 129 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: To make these payments, they set up shell companies, and 130 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: they made yet more false statements, including for example, in 131 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: AMI American Media in Corporates business records. One of the 132 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: three people that they paid to keep quiet was a 133 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: woman named Stormy Daniels. Less than two weeks before the 134 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: presidential election, Michael Cohen wired one hundred and thirty thousand 135 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: dollars to Stormy Daniel's lawyer. That payment was the hide 136 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: damaging information from the voting public. The participants scheme was illegal. 137 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: The scheme violated new York Election Law, which makes it 138 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: a crime to conspire to promote a candidacy by unlawful means. 139 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: The one hundred and thirty thousand on a wire payment 140 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: exceeded the federal campaign contributions. Step in here because a 141 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: number of facts need to come out about this. What 142 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: you're hearing here, what ye but not hearing is that 143 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: Muller passed on this, the DJ passed on this, the 144 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: FEC passed on this. And then you have the testimony 145 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: of Bob Costello. Bob Costello said this, now remembered that. 146 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: So he's relying on Kohane, tone is going to be 147 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: a star witness. He's mentioned in many of these charges. 148 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: So Michael Kohane, who is nothing but an admitted liar 149 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: and x con. You know, this is the conversation he 150 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: had with his former counsel, admitting that he had nothing 151 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: on Trump and admitting that he was suicidal, and admitting 152 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: that he would do and say anything to prevent himself 153 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: from going to jail. Listen, and I said, Michael, think 154 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: about this, don't answer it quickly. You said that you 155 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: were up on the roof ready to jump, and I'm 156 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: telling you that there is a way out of this. 157 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: If you have information, it has to be true. What 158 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: do you have on Donald Trump? And that's when he 159 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: started with the same whitney that he wrote used for 160 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: the rest of the two hours. I swear to God, Bob, 161 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't have anything on Donald Trump. I said, do 162 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,599 Speaker 1: you have, I said, any information on the Trump organization? 163 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: The only thing I know, said he is that some 164 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: money was missing from the Trump Inaugural ball or something 165 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: like that. And I said, is Donald Trump involved in that? No? 166 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: Does Donald Trump know about that? He said no, he 167 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: didn't know about it. Then I don't even think he 168 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: knows about it now. But the point is, when somebody 169 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: is really thinking of committing suicide and you're offering them 170 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: a legal way out of this. If he had any 171 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: information about Donald Trump, that would have been the one time, 172 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: even for a serial liar like Michael Khone, to fess 173 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: up and say, well I know this or that because 174 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: I want to save my own hide. But he didn't 175 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: do that, and the statement he gave us was very 176 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: similar to that statement that you just read. And I 177 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: especially made one point. I pointed out to them that 178 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: during that first two hour meeting, Michael Khane, who as 179 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: I said before was pacing back and forth, would suddenly 180 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: stop in the middle of whatever he was talking about 181 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: and turn and point his finger at us and say, 182 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: I want you guys to understand, I will do whatever 183 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: the f I have to do. I will never spend 184 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: a day in jail. He said that at least ten 185 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: to twenty times during that two hour period. It was 186 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: a bizarre mantrap, but it made it clear to us 187 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: that Michael Cohen was saying, I will lie, cheat Steele, 188 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: shoot someone, I will never spend a day in jail. Well, 189 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: what happened. He did spend more than a day in jail, 190 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: and who does he blame? Not himself, even though counts 191 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: one through seven related to times that before he even 192 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: met Donald Trump. So he blames Donald Trump. Now, with 193 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: all that in your mind, remember most of the payments 194 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: that are talking about and the charges are saying honor 195 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: about you know whatever. In twenty seventeen, well, this letter 196 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: from Michael Cohen's lawyer to the head of the FEC. 197 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm writing on behalf of Michael Cohne and it goes 198 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: on in a private transaction. In twenty sixteen, before the 199 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: US presidential election, mister Cohne used his own personal funds 200 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: to facilitate a payment of one hundred and thirty thousand 201 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: dollars to Miss Stephanie Clifford. Either the Trump Organization or 202 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with 203 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: Miss Clifford, and neither reimbursed mister Kohene for the payment 204 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: directly or indirectly. They're saying the payments came in in 205 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. For this, contrary to the allegations in the complaint, 206 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: which are entirely speculative, neither mister Kohn nor Essential Consultants 207 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: LLC made any in kind contributions to the Donald J. 208 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: Trump for President, Inc. Or any other presidential campaign committee. 209 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: Mister Kohn has not been a government employee during any 210 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: of the relevant period of time. The payment in question 211 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: does not constitute a campaign contribution or expenditure, and therefore 212 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: the FEC lacks jurisdiction over this matter, and the complainants 213 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: have not and cannot present any evidence to the contrary 214 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: that's in twenty eighteen. This indictment always talks about Money's 215 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. The intended to fraud and intend to 216 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: commit another crime, whatever the other crime is it's your guess. 217 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like this in my life, especially 218 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: from mister Cutam Looose's album bragg Anyway, so here's the 219 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: challenge and the burden. Now, remember you can indict a 220 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: ham Sandwich. Remember this grand jury did not hear a 221 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: single word from the President's defense team. No, no exculpatory 222 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: evidence was presented to them. It was a one sided 223 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: this is what happened, this is what he did, This 224 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: is what happened. And they their star witness, clearly is 225 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: going to be a convicted felon, admitted serial liar by 226 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: the name of Michael Kohn. He's lied repeatedly and admitted admittedly. 227 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: So and he's gonna say, well, look at the payment. 228 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: Look at this. So you're gonna have to take his 229 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: word that a payment in twenty seventeen was made for 230 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: this deal, that he in his own words and he 231 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: threw his lawyer say that he did facilitate on his 232 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: home and that the Trump organization, the Trump campaign, was 233 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: not a party to the transaction. So are you're gonna 234 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: believe him? And then of course the meeting with his 235 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: advisor Bob Costello is going to be devastating, And I 236 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: just think on cross I just I mean, even the 237 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: most liberal New York jury, which is what Donald Trump's 238 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: gonna get, how do you prove this case? I think 239 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: it's very difficult. The timeline is that letter from from 240 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: Michael Cohon's attorney McDermott, will and Emery. This guy Stephen Ryan, 241 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: counsel for Michael Cohon, was I was February twenty eighteen. 242 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: We'll continue all right twenty five to the top of 243 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: the hour. We have the indictment in front of us, 244 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: We'll get to all legal experts. We'll get to your 245 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: calls today. I do promise that part. I know a 246 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: lot of you want to weigh in on all of 247 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: the events unfolding today. Eight hundred nine for one, Shawn 248 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: is our number. You know. One of the saddest things 249 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: about all of this is all this time now and 250 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: there's going to be a tsunami of never ending, non 251 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: stop you know, legal issues that Donald Trump has to face. 252 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: But you know what, We're not focused on an economy 253 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: that has gone to hell in a handbasket. We're not 254 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: focusing on China and their alliances and their obvious plans 255 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: to fill the void of American leadership. And the alliance 256 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: with Russia and Plutin, and the alliance with Iran and 257 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: the Mullahs, and the peace agreements with the Saudis and 258 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: the Iranians and now the Saudis in Syria. We were 259 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: not paying attention to all of their maneuverings in Cuba 260 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: and Latin America and Africa and their their ten year 261 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: military build up. Or President Chiefe comments that he wants 262 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: to go to war, or he's planning for a war 263 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: and increasing his defense budget by by another ten percent 264 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: this year. Who's he going to war with? Or what's 265 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: going on with Taiwan. This is what when we don't 266 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: have a strong US president. This is what happens. Listen, 267 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now. President She and President Putin 268 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: see this as a golden opportunity that America is now 269 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: completely abdicated its role in the world as as the 270 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: leader of the free world, and to fill that vacuum, 271 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: they are racing in there very quickly to take full 272 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: advantage of it all, and they're doing it successfully. We're 273 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: not talking about any of that stuff anyway. We're gonna 274 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: get our legal minds all over this issue of this 275 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: indictment from today in just a minute. Look, tax season 276 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: now is right around the corner. And remember the words 277 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: of Ronald Reagan. I'm from the government. I'm here to help. Well, 278 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: government is not helping you. They make promises they never 279 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: can fulfill, promises that lead to more poverty and a 280 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: loss of freedom. But anyway they're spending addiction is driving 281 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: up inflation. The bottom line for you is what do 282 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: you do in the meantime when two thirds of the 283 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: country are living paycheck to paycheck on one thing you 284 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: do do is you look for ways to save money. 285 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: One of the best ways to save money and not 286 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: sacrifice service is making the switch to my cell phone company. 287 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: And that's pure talk. Anyway, it's a great company. Their 288 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: mission is to save the average American family, which they 289 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: do close to a thousand dollars a year. And guess what. 290 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: They use the same cell towers and the exact same 291 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: five G network as AT and T, Verizon and T Mobile. 292 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: But you save money for the exact same service. And 293 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: by the way, you never have to sign a contract. 294 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: And by the way, they have a money back guarantee, 295 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: and they have great plans available, blazing fast five G data, 296 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: unlimited talk in texts, thirty bucks a month, no contract, 297 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: money back guarantee. The switch is easy to make. They 298 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: have a US customer based service team that will help 299 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: you and seconds. Dial pound two fifty on yourself, say 300 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: the keyword save now. Do it now, Save an additional 301 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: fifty percent off your first month in these tough economic times, 302 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: this is smart to do. Join the stampede away from 303 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: big carriers, get the exact same coverage, and the average 304 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: family saves close to one thousand bucks a year. Pound 305 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: two fifty keyword save now. All right, Talking about the 306 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: indictments against President Trump, there is no surprise at all. 307 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: Everything that we thought it would be it is. It 308 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: is one count after another quote falsifying business records in 309 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: the first degree violation Penal Law one seven five point 310 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: one zero. The defendant in the County of New York 311 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: and elsewhere, honor about February fourteen, twenty seventeen, with the 312 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: intend to defraud and intend to commit another crime. We 313 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: don't what is the other crime. They didn't mention that 314 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: any one of the thirty four counts. Maybe maybe Greg 315 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: Jarrett and David schen Cantos and conceal the commission thereof 316 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: may and caused a false entry in the business records 317 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: of an enterprise to wit an invoice from Michael Khone 318 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: in many of the cases. Then another case the Donald 319 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: Trump revocable trust bearing voucher blah blah blah blah and 320 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: to Michael Khne then from the trust, etc. Etc. But 321 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: remember they're saying that the payment that this happened, Honor 322 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: about February fourteenth to twenty seventeen. Okay, then we have 323 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen's lawyer's letter from twenty eighteen which I just 324 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: read to you that in a private chap transaction in 325 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen before US presidential candidate, mister Cohne used his 326 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: own personal funds to facilitate a payment one hundred thirty 327 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: thousand to Miss Stephanie Clifford. Either the Trump Organization or 328 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with 329 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: Miss Clifford, and neither reimbursed mister Cohne for the payment 330 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: directly or indirectly. That's twenty eighteen. The timeline's not working 331 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: out particularly well for Alvin Bragg from what I can 332 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: see anyway. Joining us Greg Jarrett, Fox News contributor, soon 333 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: he'll be releasing his new book, Trial of the Century 334 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: David Shona's with US civil rights attorney and former attorney 335 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: for President Trump himself. Welcome both of you to the program. 336 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Greg Jarrett, let me begin with you. It's everything we said. 337 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: This is a law that has never been that, this 338 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: novel legal concept has never been used before because the 339 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: statute of limitations ran out on the what would be 340 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: a misdemeanor charge in New York. They're trying to marry 341 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: it to an FEC violation, Federal elections law violation which 342 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: the FEC, by the way, looked at and passed on, 343 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: which the DJ passed on, which the Muller team passed on, 344 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: which the former DA passed on, and which Bragg initially 345 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: passed on. Yeah, you know, I gotta tell you, in 346 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: all honesty, this is the damndest indictment I think I've 347 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: ever read in forty three years of being a lawyer, 348 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: and I've you know, thousands of indictments. The problem with 349 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: this is it doesn't tell the defendant what law he's broken. Yes, 350 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: it does say that he allegedly falsified records. That's a misdemeanor. 351 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: And Bragg then waves a magic wand and tries to 352 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: transform it into a felony by arguing that Trump, you know, 353 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: intended to conceal another crime, but it doesn't say what 354 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: other crime that is. At the very end, it sort 355 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: of alludes generally to finance campaign finance laws, but it 356 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: doesn't say, well, is that a state law? Is that 357 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: a federal law? And what's the statue? What's the crime? 358 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: And you know, so this is it seems to me 359 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: not just a feeble case. It's flawed on its face. 360 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: A defendant is entitled to know what laws he has broken, 361 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: and they only tell Trump as the laws he's broken 362 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: and leave him in you know, suspense to figure out 363 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: on his own. It's in one of those books over 364 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: there up on the shelf, mister, a former president. So 365 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: I you know, I would expect a motion to dismiss that. 366 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: This is, you know, an indictment that doesn't speed, is 367 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: not supported by the law on its face. All right, 368 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: let's get your take, David Joan. Yeah, you know, I'd 369 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: use the word joke, but it's too serious a matter 370 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: for that. The indictment is an absolute worse than a joke. 371 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: I am surprised by quite frankly, I'm maybe the one 372 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: guy who is surprised. I didn't believe that they would 373 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: stoop this slow. I thought that at least for the 374 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: good of the country, they would have something more an 375 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: indictment dependent on Michael Cohen inside and out. They can 376 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: say all they want, they have corroboration from documents. At 377 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it all depends on Michael 378 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: Cohen's characterization of those documents. And yes, they might get 379 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: mister Weisselberg, they might get mister Pecker to say something. 380 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: But it's shocking that they would go with this. I 381 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: think the answer. You know, first there will be a 382 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: motion to dismiss also file a bill of particulars demanding 383 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: that the target crime for each of the thirty four 384 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: counts that makes it a felony be identified. You can't 385 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: give the prosecution wiggle room so they can have a 386 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: shifting theory of defense. Due process demands that. But I'm 387 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: going to tell you this I didn't. One of the 388 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: most important things is they've just made members of their 389 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: office absolutely witnesses in this case. Mark comeranz as you know, 390 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: was brought into be this so called special prosecutor. He 391 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: had helped from other lawyers who were paid for by 392 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: private law firms, even one member of the Mueller investigation, 393 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: Greg Andres, was a consultant. On page one fifty nine 394 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: of his book, he said, he writes, Julietta Lazano, the 395 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: head of the Major Economic Crimes Bureau, said she could 396 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: not ever see calling Cohen to testify at anything because 397 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: she did not trust anything, he said, page two twenty seven, 398 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: and I'll leave it here of his same book. At 399 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: one point during the meeting, Alvin Bragg commented that he 400 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: could not see a world in which we would indict 401 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: Trump and call Michael Cohen as a prosecution witness. Ordinarily, 402 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: the inner workings of the prosecutors, the delibative processes, are 403 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: off bounds, out of bounds. I think in this case, 404 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: the Pomeran's book and these kinds of statements opens all 405 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: of that up, all of the credibility issues with Michael Cohen. Well, okay, 406 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: so Michael Kohone, by every account now is their star witness. 407 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: We have the Bob cost Dello statements about Michael Kohane 408 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: being suicidal, Michael Kohane being asked repeatedly by Bob Costello 409 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: if he had in any dirt on Donald Trump of 410 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: the Trump organization. We have his answer no, no, no, 411 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: no no, and then what else do we have? Then 412 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: we have on top of that, you can add to 413 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: the fact that he said he'd do anything that he 414 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: needed to do to stay out of jail. Is this 415 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: every Is this anything that he needs to do to 416 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: stay out of jail even though he went to jail. 417 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: Greg Jarrett, Yeah, you know you're you're a desperate prosecutor 418 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: if you're resting your case on the disgrace disbarred Michael 419 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: Cohen in infamous wire he went to prison for lying 420 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: to the r lying to banks, lying to Congress. One 421 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: of the most disreputable, sleazy people you'll ever have the 422 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: misfortune to meet. I think his dishonesty is exceeded only 423 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: by his unscrupulous zeal to destroy Trump. If he takes 424 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: the witness stand, he will be absolutely eviscerated on cross examination. 425 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: Same thing with Stormy Daniels, who, by the way, is 426 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: not privy to the inner workings of you know how 427 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: the Trump organization accounted for the payment. So I'm not 428 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: sure the relevance of her forthcoming testimony if she takes 429 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: the witness stand. So, I mean, this is a pathetic 430 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: case I agree with Bill barretts an abomination. They resurrected 431 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: a zombie case from the grave and it's still deadorn 432 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: A doornail, I think so too, But I mean they're 433 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: not going to get it. Let's look at the motions 434 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: they could file David emotion for a change of venue, 435 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: emotion to dismiss. What other motions could they have? I 436 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: don't think any of them going to work, do you? 437 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: Because I honestly think if you look at all the 438 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: cases that Donald Trump is now kneeling with, is not 439 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: a single venue that I would ever want to have 440 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: a conservative on trial in. Yeah, I don't think the 441 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: motion for a change of venue is going to work, 442 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: quite frankly, but it can be filed. I don't know 443 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: that any with this judge to be perfectly candidate, I 444 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: don't know that any motion will succeed, but it's vitally 445 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: important to make the record. I think you're gonna have 446 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: the statue of limitations motion. You're gonna have motions recuse 447 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg based on his campaign statements absolutely or to 448 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: disqualify him and his office and the indictment. You're gonna 449 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: have a motion to recuse the judge I would hope 450 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: based on the judge shopping process and so on. But 451 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: by the way, they have more than just Bob Costello's statements. 452 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: They have Bob Costello's contemporaneous note from June thirteenth, twenty eighteen, 453 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: in which he specifically asked told Cohen do everything you 454 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: can to help yourself if you have anything at all 455 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: on Trump, Stormy, Daniel's McDougall, etc. And in those contemporaneous 456 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: notes from twenty eighteen, Cohen told his own lawyer about 457 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: Costello he had nothing. So and beyond all of this, 458 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: even if you believe Cohen, you believe Weisslberg, whoever else 459 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: is going to testify. Is there a crime? That's the 460 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: real issue. If you'd call an expert witness like Bradley Smith, 461 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: former FEC commissioner, so on, there was no crime here. 462 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: There couldn't have been a crime as a matter of law. 463 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: So you have all of those issues. Well, I think 464 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: we have all of them. So what do you both recommend? Greg? 465 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: What would you say the next move of the Trump 466 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: attorney the Trump team ought to be doing. I'd file 467 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: several motions to dismiss and Sean, you identified one of 468 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: the most important. You know, the misdemeanor, predicate crime expired 469 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: five years ago. Statue of limitations. Yeah, statual limitation. I 470 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: don't know how you get around the statial limitations. Yes, 471 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: there are exceptions. It can be told or extended, but 472 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: not for five years. And you can't argue that you 473 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: didn't know where Trump was when he was outside the jurisdiction, 474 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: because everybody knew where he was. He was residing at 475 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: the White House. The fact that you know he's out 476 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: of the jurisdiction now and they indict him means they 477 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: could have indicted him three years ago or four or 478 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: five years ago, but they didn't do it. And they 479 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: didn't do it because there was no case. He didn't 480 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: break any laws. And I think in the end that 481 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: will prevail. I think so too. What would you file 482 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: David Shoon No, absolutely those motions. But you're going to 483 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: hear in the media, I believe, well, this unique statute 484 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: in New York that extends the statue of limitations when 485 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: you're continuously out of state was just upheld in the 486 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein case. And that's true, and it was upheld 487 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: in nineteen nine nine. The classic People versus Noble However, 488 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: the fundamental principle is what Greg just said, and he 489 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: says it in each of the cases. The statute was 490 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: passed to deal with the difficulty of apprehending a defendant 491 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: who's out of state and his whereabouts are difficult to ascertain. 492 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: That's simply there's nobody and this planet who people knew 493 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: where he was more frequently than Donald Trump. He's the 494 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: president of United States. He knew where he was almost 495 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: every minute of every day. They could have indicted, held 496 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,239 Speaker 1: the indictment while he was president and so on. But 497 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: as you said earlier, Sean, people who reviewed this passed 498 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: on it. US Attorney's office passed on it, the FEC 499 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: passed on it because there was nothing there. Well, I 500 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: mean that's the thing. Can I go back to the 501 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: indictment again, and to defraud and the intent to commit 502 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: another crime? What does that mean? Does anybody know? Well, 503 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: it's vague and ambiguous and fatal as far as indictments go. 504 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: And unless there is, as David says, a bill of 505 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: particutors that the prosecutors file to specify what crimes they're 506 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: talking about, this indictment cannot stand as a matter of law. 507 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: So once you get the bill of particulars. If brag 508 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: sites a federal campaign finance fill emotion to dismiss that 509 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: the district attorney doesn't have jurisdiction to pursue a federal 510 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: crime easy, local prosecutor. You can only file under state charges. 511 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: So what you know. We'll have to wait and see. 512 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: But I'm just shocked at the level of incompetency contained 513 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: in this indictment. It's really unbelievable. All Right, guys, we 514 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: appreciate you being with us. Greg Jarrett and David Shone. 515 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: We are eight hundred nine four one, Shawn our number. 516 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a lot of calls next final hour 517 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: of the show today as we continue. All right, we've 518 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: been all over this, We've examined it to death. You've 519 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: heard from our legal experts. When we come back, we're 520 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: gonna hit the phones toll free. It's eight hundred nine 521 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: four one, Sean. If you want to be a part 522 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: of the program, loaded up tonight, nine eastern on Hannity 523 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: on the Fox News Channel, The President's Attorney, Joe Takapina, 524 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: Jonathan Turley, the Great One, Mark Levine, Eric Trump will 525 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,479 Speaker 1: beyond tonight. Sarah Carter had an incident with some crazy 526 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: left wing lunatics, and we've got that video. Lindsey Graham 527 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: tonight will also in defending President Trump anyway, it's this 528 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: will be right after his speech. How long it goes, 529 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: what time it ultimately starts, I don't know. And h 530 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: but we'll have a great response and coverage City DBR 531 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: Hannity nineties for tonight. I'm Fox