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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decands. Most importantly, you are you, You

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Speaker 1: are here and that makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Before we dive into today's episode,

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Speaker 1: want to give a very special shout out to Heather,

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Speaker 1: to Major Tom, and to Latrodectus, all of whom wrote

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Speaker 1: to us about today's episode. First question for you, guys,

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Speaker 1: what's the last thing you ate? Pop tart? Strawberry frosted

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Speaker 1: pop tart? Just now? I ate a frozen, uncrustable strawberry

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Speaker 1: nice and oh well, thanks Matt, Yeah, I ate Uh,

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Speaker 1: I ate some left over Korean barbecue. I'm getting back

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Speaker 1: into the Korean barbecue game. Uh My marinade is not

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Speaker 1: to be missed. I'll have to make it for you

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Speaker 1: guys sometime. A secret ingredient, oh man, it's the secret

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Speaker 1: ingredient is ambition. Bro and you let it sit overnight

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Speaker 1: for a few for like, you know hours. No, seriously,

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Speaker 1: I will cook it for you. Uh my bulgogie. In particular,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying michelin Star, but michelin would stop by

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Speaker 1: if I had a restaurant. So what michelin Man have

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Speaker 1: to say about it? Do you think the michelin Man,

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Speaker 1: the old school michelin Man, would be absolutely too hammered

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Speaker 1: to understand what was happening. That is by far the

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Speaker 1: worst mascot for driving ever. Uh. Please check out our

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Speaker 1: episode on the michelin Man Ridiculous History. Today we're talking

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Speaker 1: about food. It's one of those great unifiers. Right. You

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Speaker 1: can go anywhere in the world, and this is true,

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Speaker 1: this is not hyperpoly. You can go anywhere in the

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Speaker 1: world and meet another person and you can have a

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Speaker 1: conversation about food despite language barriers. Everybody is so into food.

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Speaker 1: Food so hot right now and has been for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Uh. People will shoot shoot the breeze about

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Speaker 1: what they've eaten, what they want to eat, what they

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Speaker 1: do or don't like food wise, for ungodly amounts of time.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, you know what I mean. It's it's

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Speaker 1: like a it's like a version of talking about the weather.

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Speaker 1: And as with any other universal human subject, it's no

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Speaker 1: surprise that food itself is at the heart of so

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Speaker 1: many conspiracy theories and actual conspiracies. Today we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about something that has been controversially termed food deserts.

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Speaker 1: Where they come from, why, and whether there's a conspiracy involved.

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Speaker 1: Dang dude, I thought were talking about desserts today. I

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Speaker 1: researched the entirely wrong stuff and pod to cram all

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Speaker 1: the creme desserts. It will still apply. Here are the facts, Okay, basics.

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Speaker 1: If you live in the United States, like the four

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Speaker 1: if you live anywhere these days, you've probably noticed basic

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Speaker 1: read all the stuff you get right before Hurricane hell Man,

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Speaker 1: fast food has gotten expensive. You know. I saw on

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Speaker 1: like a happy meal, costs more than it did just

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Speaker 1: many issues going into those prices inflating right now, and

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Speaker 1: about a fluid out right, exactly exactly. That conspiracy is real,

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Speaker 1: and the problem of rising food costs is partially due

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Speaker 1: so we're we're virgin on eight billion human beings. Awesome,

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Speaker 1: so almost a billion people out of almost eight billion.

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Speaker 1: your phone, Like, if you're not driving, uh, you can

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Speaker 1: head over to the United States Department of Agricultures Economic

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Speaker 1: Research Service at last map. UH. So you you can

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Speaker 1: probably find it by searching for U s D A

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Speaker 1: Food Access Research Atlas. That is the title of it.

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Speaker 1: And it just gives you a full map of the

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Speaker 1: United States at least is it Does it include Alaska?

431
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't think it includes Oh, it does include Alaska,

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Speaker 1: and it basically has all of Alaska as a food desert. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Um it should. It has four things you can click

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Speaker 1: on from different years right now. I think it's just

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00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: representing what is this two thousand fifteen and two thousand

436
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: nineteen because it's got census data that it's using to

437
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: make these calculations. Has to do with low income and

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00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: then low access to food and then putting those two

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00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: factors together and essentially giving a score. Um. And you

440
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: can you can add or subtract variables on here, um,

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00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: like how far of a distance a certain area is

442
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: to a place that would have nutritious food. I'm gonna

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00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: give you one specific here. If you zoom way down

444
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: into Atlanta into the area where I I lived. I

445
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: looked at my address just to see how they categorize

446
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: at that area, and it's very interesting. Guys. There's a

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00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: strip of that is a neighborhood where I used to live.

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00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: It says that it is low income and low access

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00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: at one half and ten miles. Now, if you click

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Speaker 1: on that and try and get more information, it says

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00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: low incomes census tracks where a significant number of share

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00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: of residents is more than one half a mile urban

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Speaker 1: or ten miles rural from the near supermarket. So that

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Speaker 1: would mean one half of a mile from a supermarket.

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00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: But if you've lived in that neighborhood like me, you

456
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: know that on one side of the neighborhood, exactly on

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Speaker 1: the line where it says it's low income low access,

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00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: there's a Kroger, And on the other side of that

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00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: same tract there's a Publix. So I want to like,

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Speaker 1: it makes me wonder how much of this data is

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Speaker 1: just from census information from like uh wide shot gathering

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Speaker 1: of information, and then how much of it is actually

463
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: drilled down specific information about families that really do not

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00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: have access to food. Yeah, it's like, uh, you bring

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00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: up a great point. It's like Noel was saying, the

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00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: question is access right? Can can you walk to this place? Right?

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00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: Can you walk home? Do you can need a car? Yeah?

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00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: And and and how current is this information? Right? When

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00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: most people think of a food desert, they don't think

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Speaker 1: of a place where the line of demarcation is a

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Speaker 1: Publix and a Kroger. By the way, side note, I

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00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: found I find so many irrelevant facts because uh, Kroger

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00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: is about to buy another grocery chain. Uh, the monopoly continues.

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00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: It's Albertsons or something like that. Yeah, you know, you

475
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: know the score. So maybe if podcasting doesn't work, will

476
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: get in to the grocery monopoly business. I'm becoming radicalized,

477
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: want to be a delic diving into into food research.

478
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: I am absolutely becoming radicalized. Good well that, but but

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Speaker 1: you you'd make a great point because just because there's

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Speaker 1: a Kroger in a public's there doesn't mean people can't

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Speaker 1: afford to buy even fresh, somewhat inexpensive foods there. Like you,

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00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: some people just can't. So like, where would you get

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00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: your food? Then? Even if there is a grocery store,

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00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: do you met delineate like priceiness between Kroger and public

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Speaker 1: I've always thought of Public as the more like upscale

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00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: kind of. But I also the one near me is

487
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: always picked over and weird. You'll get tricked. You can

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00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: get tricked because look, I've been going to Kroger's for

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Speaker 1: all of my adult life. There's always been one close

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Speaker 1: enough that it's been my primary grocery store. And I've

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00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: got one of those cards that they get you to

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00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: sign up for you put all your personal information in there,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm sure I thought Public Polics doesn't do that.

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Speaker 1: For whatever. Cars also way better to its employees said

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00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: it and no, no, you're right. But what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is I used to only go to Kroger because it

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00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: felt like I was getting much better deals there and

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00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: I was saving a lot of money because an illusion

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00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: of switched. And it's nothing to you know, sorry Kroger

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00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: just d sorry Ka Raj. Yeah, no, this is That's

501
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing, man, because well it's an insidious thing,

502
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: but it's beautiful that you're pointing it out and you're

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00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: aware of it. Because just like Sesame credit in China,

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00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: what happened with the Kroger discount card or whatever nomenclature

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00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: they put on it is in the beginning to incentivize people.

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00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: You could save, you could save some chump change right

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00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: on specific items. But as it became more in place

508
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: and normalized it, the reverse occurred. So now to get

509
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: a regular price you have the Kroger card, you are

510
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: essentially getting taxed a little bit more if you don't

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00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: play their reindeer game. Now. I don't know if Kroger

512
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: is a sponsor of this. I don't think I'm saying

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00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: anything controversial. I'm certainly not saying libel because everything we're

514
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: saying is true. This is because it's a data game

515
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: now and it's helping it's helping the grocery chain know

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00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: what to order, like who's buying. It's not necessarily you

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00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: the individual buying specific things. It's more what are the

518
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: trends right? What do we need more of? What do

519
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: we need less of? But it's they're not Yeah, they're

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00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: not sweating. They're not up at night in a corporate

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Speaker 1: boardroom with their shirt sleeves rolled up, terrified whether Paul

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Speaker 1: Decade will order more avocados. No, but have you ever

523
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: thought about that? The the the legist sticks of managing

524
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: perishable food items like that, if you don't do it right,

525
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: it's just gonna rot on the shelf. So you really

526
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: do need a little extra data, you know, to help

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00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: with that. But it also I think if there is

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00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: any benefit to the whatever you know, um bonus card

529
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: situation is it does teach the system what coupons to

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00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: spit out at you. That's true, Yeah, it's targeted advertising.

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Speaker 1: But also consumer data is should be treated as an

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00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: extra income stream for any company. It doesn't matter what

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00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: they are ostensibly selling you, it's what pieces of you

534
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: they're selling to someone else, which is frightening. But anyway, yeah,

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00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: this just in time supply chain approach these logistics. That's

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00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: another part of food deserts. We know the factors influencing

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00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: these regions, and this is where we see our conspiracy

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00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: really start to firm up. So food deserts tend to

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Speaker 1: be inhabited by low income residents with not the best

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00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: access to transit, and that makes those areas less attractive

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Speaker 1: ak profitable for large supermarket chains. And again we're not

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Speaker 1: talking down because Matt Nolan, your faithful correspondent over here,

543
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: we have all lived in these areas as well, you

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00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean. These things, though as normalized as

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Speaker 1: they have become. It is crucial for us to note

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Speaker 1: that food deserts are not naturally occurring. They are the

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Speaker 1: result of systematic, entirely human social decisions over the course

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Speaker 1: of generations. It's deeper than wrap, you know what I mean.

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00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: It dates back to zoning, which sounds like such a

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00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: boring thing until you realize how dangerous it is. In

551
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: the modern day, urban planning has been used. Urban planning

552
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: has been weaponized. That's the best way to say it.

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00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: It has been used to segregate the segregate members of

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Speaker 1: the US population for decades and decades. Jerrymandering, anyone, jerry

555
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: mandarin is another part of it. Yeah, man, it's it's

556
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: the Oh, jerry mandarin is about to encounter a brand

557
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: new renaissance depending on how things go. That's a that's

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00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: weirdly enough, and a political point. It doesn't matter how

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00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: you vote, you should not like jerrymandering. And anyone who's

560
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: not familiar, it's like a term that was like, I

561
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: think it was some sort of made up mythical monster

562
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: because of how bizarre the lines looked that were drawn

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Speaker 1: to to you know, separate voting blocks. They refer to

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Speaker 1: them as the Jerrymander, Like I guess like the Jabberwalkee

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00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: or something. But it's essentially creative, uh you know, line

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Speaker 1: drawing um to create systems that I guess generate the

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00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: desired outcome of those creating the delineations. Is that about right? Yeah? Yeah,

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00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: nailed it. Jerry Mandarin was invented by Jerry Mander. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Dr Mander was a cartoonist working in the nineteen thirties

570
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Speaker 1: who was mistakenly hired to map political districts, to map

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Speaker 1: voting districts, and he just drew cartoons. Is b s right? No, No,

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00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: it's true. No one fact checked it, Okay, so it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: no one, no one checked that. Just thinking as an

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Speaker 1: article of faith. But we got a message from Keith

575
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: that yelled at me for saying something about Timothy McVeigh

576
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: or something like that in the last episode that I

577
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: was given out false information. But I just misspoke. So

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00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: I just was, hey, we do that sometimes, or we

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00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: have fun with language and try and be silly and

580
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: and make a joke on the show. Just a message

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00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: to you, Keith. One of my favorite websites for news

582
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: is Articles of Faith dot com. Some great journalism there.

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00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, you you know, speaking of great journalism, we

584
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: can see some fantastic scholarship describing food deserts. Okay, so

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00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: Jerryman dred right, that's a real thing, and it's I

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00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: would argue, it is bound up in the processes that

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00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: lead to food deserts, and even the term food deserts

588
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: is controversial. We're also talking about stuff like redlining or

589
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: yellow lining. These are nefarious urban planning practices that targeted

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00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: certain community necessities. Where does the school go right, where

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00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: where do the roads run? How do we worry about

592
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: public safety? And weirdly enough, everything is affected by this,

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Speaker 1: even down to the access to food. I mentioned that

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Speaker 1: not everybody likes the phrase food desert. This is where

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00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: we need to shout out Professor Shante M. Reese, who

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00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: is a food justice scholar, and uh dr Reese prefers

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Speaker 1: the term food apartheid, which emphasizes the the segregationist basis

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Speaker 1: of this stuff. It's the zoning codes, it's the lending practices,

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Speaker 1: it's the discrimination that all combined to make some neighborhoods

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Speaker 1: bad to live in. A desert occurs naturally usually right,

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00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 1: apartheid is imposed. Yeah, yeah, and this is part of

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Speaker 1: a large feedback loop. Here's the story, quick and dirty version.

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Speaker 1: In three in the United States, there was a big

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Speaker 1: housing shortage, right the federal government. Uncle Sam said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we are going to put some of that taxpayer money

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Speaker 1: into making more houses. We gotta have more places that

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00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: are affordable for people to live. Now, granted this is

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00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: during the Depression, this is like New Deal era. The

609
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: current ruling class of the United States would never do

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Speaker 1: something like that today. What they would do instead is

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00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: try to um, you know, monetize it and accelerate inequality.

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Speaker 1: But the New Deal legislation wasn't It wasn't a great

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Speaker 1: deal for everyone. That's why it was called the Great

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00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: Depression and the New Deal and not the New Depression

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Speaker 1: and the Great Deal. So there's this author that really

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Speaker 1: really impressed me. I wrote a book called The Color

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00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: of Law. Richard Rothstein talks about how these housing programs

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Speaker 1: that started under the New Deal we're functioning as a

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Speaker 1: state sponsored system of segregation, which led to the nutrition

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Speaker 1: access problems that haunt the United States today. If we

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Speaker 1: talked about the basics, even just the basics, it's so

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00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: messed up. So the Federal Housing Administration f h established nineteen.

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Speaker 1: They said, let's build more houses, but let's have some caveats.

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Speaker 1: So the Federal Housing Administration which was created, essentially escalated

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Speaker 1: segregation by refusing to ensure mortgages UH in and around

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Speaker 1: African American predominantly African American neighborhoods UM. At the very

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Speaker 1: same time, the f h was subsidizing builders building new

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Speaker 1: properties mass producing these entire McMansion kind of you know enclaves, UH,

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Speaker 1: these subdivisions for white members residents of the United States,

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Speaker 1: with the requirement than none of the homes literally requirement

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Speaker 1: none of the homes be sold to African Americans. UM.

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00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: African Americans and other people of color were left out

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Speaker 1: of these new communities. Again, Ben, you you mentioned earlier

634
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: than the importance of the idea of legacy kind of

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00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: generational ownership, because folks were literally cast out of the system.

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Speaker 1: So if they didn't already own or weren't intimidated into selling,

637
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: which was a thing, or you know what what have you. Um,

638
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: it was very very difficult to to get in to

639
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: become a property owner in certain areas, and it created

640
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: this is red lining, man, this is it's insane. It's

641
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: you say it out loud and all this stuff sounds

642
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: so outlandish and fiendish, but this stuff really happened. It

643
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: was a policy. Yeah, And look, the folks who are

644
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: adversely affected by these policies, they didn't disappear as much

645
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: as some factions of the government clearly wanted them to. Instead,

646
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: like everybody else, they grew, they lived their lives, they

647
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: had families. These later generations had families as well, but

648
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: they were put at this tremendous disadvantage. They did not

649
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to garner that increased generational wealth and

650
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: with it socio political influence. For a very long time,

651
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: they were simply not allowed into the conversation. And there

652
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: are consequences to this. There are consequences that affect everyone.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor. Then

654
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Speaker 1: we'll fast forward to the present. We've returned. We're in

655
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Speaker 1: the present. We're no longer in the nineties. All that

656
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: stuff is still affecting everyone, you know, if you live

657
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: in the US, but now we're in This stuff matters

658
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: when we look at food access because as a result

659
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: of these earlier decisions, these earlier attempts at apartheid, retailers,

660
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: private corporations are less willing to go into poorer areas.

661
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: So we know about the concept of redlining now, but

662
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: supermarket redlining is a thing. Larger grocery stores might refuse

663
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: to move into a lower income area, or they might

664
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Speaker 1: shut down an existing store and say, hey, let's move

665
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: to the place where we can sell you know, more

666
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: high profit items. And to be honest, I know it

667
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: sounds like we're we're taking a hit out on grocery stores,

668
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: but most grocery stores count their profits in pennies, not

669
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: in pounds, you know what I mean. Like they're they're

670
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: getting that eight nine cent can of um, what are

671
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: the creepy peas lisour peas they have, like the silver

672
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: They're always creepy to me because the label says very young,

673
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: very sweet, you know, little peas, baby peas. Yeah. Yeah,

674
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: So they're buying, you know, you're buying for like eight

675
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: nine cents or something. The grocery store is getting that

676
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: for maybe like a little bit less. They're not they're

677
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: not making necessarily a ton of money per item, so

678
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: they're very conscious of how to increase their margin. So

679
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: for them, they're not necessarily being these evil Monty burns

680
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: esque villains. When they say we have to move this

681
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: store to a wealthier suburb, they're thinking, how do we

682
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: make profits? Yeah, that's exactly what we talked about. It's

683
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: a it's a perishable problem, right, because you can only

684
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: keep so much inventory in your store before it goes bad,

685
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: especially if it's fresh, if it's like produce meat, that

686
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: kind of thing. If you don't sell that stuff, that's

687
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: all lost profits and you have to throw it away

688
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: or find a way to donate it. But you're not

689
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: going to make money on it. Absolutely, And you know, Matt,

690
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: that's something that's very close to me as well, for

691
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: doing food activism in the past, getting detained for it

692
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: because you can't walk around and give away food. What

693
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: a What a world. But there's someone else who want

694
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: to bring into conversation, a professor named Julian I Given

695
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: who actually wrote for the website The Conversation and puts

696
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: it this way, there may be a cultural bias amongst

697
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: these retailers. They may have already decided based on some

698
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, algorithm or calculation that it's there's no percentage

699
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: in putting their outlets in places with a with a

700
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of population that they don't like or don't see

701
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: as profitable. This professor points out that supermarkets fleed queens

702
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: in New York City. They they've like on mass they

703
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: started leaving queens in the nineties nineties, and the Consumer

704
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: Affairs commit ser of the time for New York City,

705
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: a guy named Mark Green put it this way. He said, first,

706
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: if I don't want to understand the minor already market,

707
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: the second is a knee jerk premise that black people

708
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: of poor and poor people who are poor market. I

709
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: don't know Mark Green's accent, but I think, uh, I

710
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: think Mark is making a really good point here. And

711
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: so now all these things moved out less healthy food options,

712
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: often at a higher price. How messed up is that

713
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: they take over in these areas like if you have

714
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: if you've been no you mentioned Dollar Store, you mentioned

715
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: matt Dollar General. You can you find food options there,

716
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: but also sometimes they're more expensive than what you would

717
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: find and say a farmer's market. I just want to

718
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: make a comment here. I mentioned the Kroger and the

719
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: Public's that were on either side of the neighborhood where

720
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: I lived, right so on the over by the Kroger,

721
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: it's almost all lower cost apartment houses all up and

722
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: down this strip of a road called Buford Highway. If

723
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: you go into that Kroger, the produce, the fresh produce

724
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: feels as though it is already days old. When you

725
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: walk in, the freshest produce that you can find there

726
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: just feels old. And that's like elderly apples. I mean no,

727
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: I mean for real, I'm serious. Like if you go

728
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: in there and you pick up a cucumber, it feels

729
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: like it's been there for a while. If you go

730
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: to the publics on the other side of that neighborhood

731
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: where the massive private Catholic school is, okay, all that

732
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: produce is super fresh and feels like it was brought

733
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Speaker 1: in that day. It is very odd and it seems,

734
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a feeling, I guess for me,

735
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: but it feels as though money is being spent on

736
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: one side and money is not being spent on the

737
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 1: other side when it comes to fresh and fresh produce.

738
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Speaker 1: Can I ask them, Matt, I mean, you're talking about

739
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: Beauford Highway, a place that we all know and love

740
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: and have mentioned on show, I think multiple times. It

741
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: is a absolute cornucopia of Asian markets. Latino markets, tac areas,

742
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: you know, any kind of cuisine you want. Is this

743
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: an area beyond that or separated from that? Is that

744
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: part of Beaufort Highway kind of not in play here

745
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: for folks that maybe have to walk or take the bus.

746
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: And I'm just saying, it's it's all. It's all about

747
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: can you is it easily walkable or can you get

748
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: there through public transportation? That's at least the calculation I'm

749
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: making in my head, because if you lived in that neighborhood,

750
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: you could easily get to either one of those by foot. Also,

751
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: shout out again to Beauford Highway. The city of Atlanta

752
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: is tremendously fortunate for that that area. That's where the

753
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: best restaurants are. And uh and it's the only I

754
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys heard this, it's the only

755
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: place where Marta, our public transit system is profitable. It's

756
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: Bufford Highway corridor. Uh So, Okay. The whole thing is

757
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: that it makes me wonder if that that particular grocery

758
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: or is making the calculation because oh, maybe this is

759
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: a poorer area on this side of Beufford Highway or

760
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: in this area of Beauford highway, so we will not

761
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: put our you know, spend our money getting the freshest produce,

762
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: will spend it in other areas in the store, or

763
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: is it a matter of not getting the profits they

764
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: need to continue that because of where it is, right.

765
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so many factors in this it

766
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: just makes you want to explore it further. Yeah, and

767
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: there's there's a banality to this sort of evil because

768
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: people can just point it a spreadsheet or put you know,

769
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: it's not our decision, it's the algorithm. I'm just doing

770
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: what I'm told. And it's a company that has to

771
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: make profits. You're over quarter over quarter, you know, So

772
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: it's just weird. It's not a nonprofit grocery store, you

773
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean? This is there's a really interesting

774
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: study by a guy named Nathan McClintock. It comes from

775
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, so it's kind of old now, but uh,

776
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: it specifically at Oakland, California and asked what caused these

777
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: food deserts. Oakland had a huge problem with this And

778
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: it's a limited study, but it has a I think

779
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: it paints a frightening and accurate snapshot of the larger

780
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: problem you have as we talked about this. Uh, folks,

781
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: you may be surprised by how similar your own experiences

782
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: have been in your neck of the Global woods. So

783
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: racially segregated areas in this in Oakland historically during the

784
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: interwar period. That's how far back it goes. So between

785
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: World War One and World War Two, right during this time,

786
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: these redlining policies forced people into segregated pockets of poverty,

787
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: and these you know, these were absolutely normal people. They're like,

788
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: we're not talking about a bunch of criminals getting put somewhere.

789
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: We're talking about average smart go getting people who were

790
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: denied the opportunities that are that are you know, defining

791
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: factors of the American tree. So if you fast forward

792
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: past World War Two into the nineteen fifties, the Oakland

793
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: City Council said, we're gonna build some freeways. Where do

794
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: we put them? Right? Where did they cut through? And

795
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: the city council, which was comprised of all um white

796
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: folks at the time, they said, We're going to put

797
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: them through the neighborhoods that can't fight back. We're reducing

798
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: their walkability, We're reducing the ability to have um community centers. Right,

799
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,959
Speaker 1: this is the example we teased earlier, the six lane

800
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: Highway all of a sudden separates you from the place

801
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: where you can buy fruit and vege. So this isolates

802
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: West Oakland's primarily community of color, from downtown Oakland. And

803
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: what happens is the people who can afford to move

804
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: move out of town. They go to wealthier neighborhoods like

805
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: Oakland Hills, and there's a financial drain put on the

806
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: communities made up of people who cannot afford to move.

807
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: Then these suburban supermarkets that you can only get to

808
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: by car in the eighties and nineties, they come around

809
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: and there are no fresh food outlets in these historically

810
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: discriminated against communities. So what's left, according to mcclintlock, is

811
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: a quote crude mosaic of parks and pollution, privilege and poverty,

812
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: whole foods and whole food deserts. That's how it happens.

813
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: And as terrible as it is to say it, if

814
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: you're playing along at home, you're in your Like the

815
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: majority of people in the world who live in an

816
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: urban environment, you're not too far away from a place

817
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: like this, which means that it does affect you directly.

818
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: Even if you don't think about it. That's where we

819
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: get to like, why is this important? Said it earlier,

820
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: it's an accidental conspiracy. They architects of urban segregation were

821
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: definitely dicks, but they weren't smart enough to plan for

822
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: food deserts. That's just a side effect of their They're

823
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: terrible ideas about society and and capitalism's most basic tenants.

824
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of those two things, like

825
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: the they're required to just always make more money and

826
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: to make a profit, which is why there are so

827
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: many great not solutions to the problem, but a lot

828
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: of great individuals and organizations that are attempting to put

829
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: a dent in the food desert problem. And guys in

830
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: cities across the United States at least that's really the

831
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: only place where I looked it up, especially in New York,

832
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Atlanta, even there are these companies trying to

833
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: find a creative way to work within that capitalism rubric

834
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: to find food that's either going to be thrown away

835
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: or just is in excess and get it logistically. Two

836
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: places that can take it, Like what you're talking about, Ben,

837
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: when you know, helping out, giving giving food away or

838
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: finding a way to you know, get food to people

839
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: who need it. I was really inspired in research for

840
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: this episode and the number of humans that are working

841
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: really hard at this. Yeah. I mean there are things

842
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: like um mobile food markets, you know, so to think

843
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: of a food truck, but it's selling produce, you know

844
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: what I mean that that is an innovative solution. There

845
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: is a bit of hope, like Minneapolis, Boston. Uh, those

846
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: two cities in particular, like to shout out they have

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Speaker 1: some excellent food programs in New York City, as you

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Speaker 1: pointed out, Man, Well, let me shout out a couple

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Speaker 1: of things. Just a couple of places, Real Quick Food,

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Speaker 1: Waste Reduction Alliance, look them, look them up, Rethink Food,

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Speaker 1: New York City, NYC, Refeed America, Postmates Food Fight. I

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Speaker 1: didn't even know that was a thing. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: Postmates was doing a thing where they will deliver excess

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Speaker 1: food for a restaurant to a charity. That's crazy. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that was a thing. Uh, there's oh, oh,

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Speaker 1: what the heck is it? Guys? Do you remember the

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Speaker 1: first time you went to New York and you saw

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Speaker 1: that weird pred preda manger. Um, They're everywhere right, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know. Listen to this, guys. I'm gonna read directly

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Speaker 1: from this article from the Counter titled should restaurants donate

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Speaker 1: excess food? The answer is not so simple. Preda mange

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Speaker 1: A has four hundred and fifty locations worldwide and it

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Speaker 1: has donated all excess we're refrigerated, ready made sandwiches and

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Speaker 1: all their foods uh since nineteen eighties six and what

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Speaker 1: is it? In Twin two thou eighteen alone, that company

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Speaker 1: donated five million pounds of food in the United States. So,

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Speaker 1: like individual companies, even though they're for profit, even though

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Speaker 1: they're you know, working to make a buck from you

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Speaker 1: when you walk into those places, can make a difference

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Speaker 1: by setting something up internally or working with one of

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Speaker 1: these other companies. Like, like I mentioned before, I have

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Speaker 1: a weird shout out to. I would like to shout

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Speaker 1: out Immortal Technique, who is a rapper and activist, a

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Speaker 1: big fan. If you're a fan of hip hop, you

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Speaker 1: are knocked down the towers. Uh. The So Immortal Technique

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Speaker 1: may not be for everybody. No, I mean, I'm giving

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Speaker 1: a but but one thing that's really interesting that this

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Speaker 1: guy does. He's done a lot of food activism himself.

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Speaker 1: He's an old school New York Cats, so he is

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Speaker 1: aware of this, and I just want to add to like,

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Speaker 1: even here in Georgia, UM, there is you know, the

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Speaker 1: I guess it's called the Snap program. Um. It is,

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Speaker 1: you know, food subsidy that comes in the form of

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Speaker 1: like a card that you can use, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of I think a little bit of a dated term

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Speaker 1: is what people might know as food stamps. Um. But

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Speaker 1: it's on a card. And if you go to farmers

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Speaker 1: markets here around Georgia specifically, I know there's one an

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Speaker 1: Athens that does it, a very big one, and I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure there's some in Atlanta, you will get twice

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Speaker 1: the amount of the value of your Snap money towards

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Speaker 1: that stuff, like towards those fresh fresh produce. And I

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Speaker 1: always thought that was a very you know, you don't

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Speaker 1: think of Georgia as being particularly forward thinking in that department,

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Speaker 1: but I think that's pretty cool. He's gotta find your

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Speaker 1: way to one of those locations, right, that's the toughest

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Speaker 1: part often for people. So there we have it, folks.

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Speaker 1: This is a conspiracy, but it seems to be an

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Speaker 1: accidental conspiracy. It's a feedback loop over generations, and it

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Speaker 1: was caused by bad faith actors who very likely did

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Speaker 1: not think about the consequences, did not think how this

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Speaker 1: would affect generations to come in the modern day. But

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Speaker 1: the good news is people are aware of this. If

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Speaker 1: you if you want to be optimistic, you have good

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Speaker 1: reason to do so. Staff programs in places like Georgia,

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Speaker 1: food activism in places like Minnesota, in Massachusetts, in New York,

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Speaker 1: in Oakland as well. There are people who are making

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Speaker 1: a difference, you know, and you can be one of

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Speaker 1: those people as well. This is where we want to

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Speaker 1: pass the torch or you know what, I want to

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Speaker 1: pass the plate to you. Right, we're we're all at

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Speaker 1: the cook out together. So let us know what you think.

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Speaker 1: Let us know your experiences with so called food deserts.

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Speaker 1: Let us know what you think the solutions could be

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Speaker 1: um or you know, failing that, if if you don't

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Speaker 1: have a if you have some guiding policy points for us, uh,

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Speaker 1: tell us the best restaurant in your town, because we

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Speaker 1: love to hit the road. We might be coming to

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Speaker 1: a town near you soon and we uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'd like to eat the good places. We try to

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, you can find us on YouTube, and you

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Speaker 1: called Here's where it Gets Crazy joined that thing. We

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