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Speaker 1: Back again on the Jack Doyle Podcast with the Great

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Speaker 1: Jack Doyle. I'm Matt Taylor, and we've got a grumpy

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Speaker 1: Jack Doyle today. We've got to get you out of

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Speaker 1: your funk. And I know it's been a couple of days,

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Speaker 1: but you're still kind of salty, and I think we

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Speaker 1: all are. After the Colts unfortunately latest lost because they've

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Speaker 1: lost two in a row, three of their last four.

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Speaker 1: But at twenty to sixteen set back to the Houston Texans. Man,

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Speaker 1: I know you watched that game and you were pretty upset.

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Speaker 1: Pretty again, I used the word salty after you know,

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Speaker 1: the rest of your Sunday was pretty ruined after the

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Speaker 1: Colts came up short in a big Division game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt, you know it was okay, the first time

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Speaker 2: I've watched a game post plane, and I like, it

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Speaker 2: really put me in a bad mood the rest of

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Speaker 2: the day. You know. You that was you know, when

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Speaker 2: I was playing, that was always the deal and I

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Speaker 2: ran it, yeah, and I was just like, I was

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Speaker 2: so frustrated. It was such a great opportunity and man,

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Speaker 2: you know some of the things that went down in

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Speaker 2: the game, you know, obviously added to it, right, But yeah,

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Speaker 2: tough loss. You know, you lose a home game, home

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Speaker 2: division game, it's tough pill to swallow. But hey, we're

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Speaker 2: eight and four going to December football. Who wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: taken that? You know, we always flash back to trainingup.

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Speaker 2: Who wouldn't taken that match? So we have a great

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Speaker 2: opportunity in front of us, and let's go.

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Speaker 1: But I think the reason why you were upset. I

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Speaker 1: was upset. I think most Colts fans were kind of

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Speaker 1: miffed is that, yes, the Texans won the game. But again,

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Speaker 1: as we always say, more games in the NFL are

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Speaker 1: lost than one, and I think the Colts did more

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Speaker 1: than their fair share to lose that game. Right, let's

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Speaker 1: take him in order. You got on the fourth drive

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Speaker 1: of the game, you're in the inside the ten yard line.

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Speaker 1: You got a fourth and one at the nine. You

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Speaker 1: got a missed snap, if you will, or a mishandled

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Speaker 1: snap by Tyler Warren. Ball goes scorting in the backfield,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor picks it up, turnover run downs, you miss

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Speaker 1: a pat after your first touchdown. Then you had the

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Speaker 1: cascade of boo in the early part of the fourth

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Speaker 1: quarter with all of the I don't know listen. I mean,

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Speaker 1: was it a perfectly officiated game. No, I mean the

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Speaker 1: Texans got hosed. The Colts got hosed. It kind of

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Speaker 1: evens out. There were some bad calls in that game,

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Speaker 1: There's no question about it. You had some drop passes,

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Speaker 1: very uncharacteristic drops by Josh Downs. There were plenty of

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Speaker 1: things other than other than the officials that led to

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Speaker 1: the Colts not being able to make the four to

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Speaker 1: five to six plays that every game comes down to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's football. And it was kind of

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Speaker 2: a you know, you've thrown all those scenarios you just

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Speaker 2: And and both teams were, you know, two good teams

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Speaker 2: going at it right and you know, a good Colts offense,

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Speaker 2: a good Colt or Texans are good Texans defense, and

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Speaker 2: and and it's the back and forth. And we talked

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Speaker 2: about earlier. You know, maybe it's gonna be a slow start,

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Speaker 2: but you got to keep leaning on them. And and

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Speaker 2: when you have kind of miscues that that that normally

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Speaker 2: you know, go your way, that that aren't usually a

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Speaker 2: part of your DNA, that makes it even tougher. And

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Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to get into the refs

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Speaker 2: and and you know, we don't want to be the

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Speaker 2: guys complaining about the refs. But but some of those,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Kenny Moore one obviously comes to mind

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Speaker 2: in the past inference call that was that was a

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Speaker 2: But yeah, as a player in those situations, you just

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Speaker 2: try to you know, you got to move forward and

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Speaker 2: control what you can control and try and go win

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Speaker 2: the football game.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back and we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about everything in the big picture. But since we're talking

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Speaker 1: as a former player, did you ever feel like you

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Speaker 1: really got hosed out of some calls, whether that was

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Speaker 1: offense for the call.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's hard, it's hard to think. Obviously, there's

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Speaker 2: calls that I didn't agree with. You know, you've I've

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Speaker 2: but but no, you know, not truly jobs like I

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Speaker 2: can't just say that ever happened, right, you know, the

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Speaker 2: refs are doing the best they can, you know, and

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Speaker 2: they have a hard, very very difficult job and trying

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Speaker 2: all that fun stuff. But yeah, when you when you

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Speaker 2: It really makes it tough.

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Speaker 1: Are you allowed to talk to the refs? I mean,

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Speaker 1: how much dialogue can you have within the framework of

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Speaker 1: just asking questions without you know, being guilty of any

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say early in my career, no, I

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Speaker 2: to recognize them and it's a fraternity, yeah, and you

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Speaker 2: start you know, you know, it's always the umpire that

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Speaker 2: that's wrong, that wasn't a holding. That guy wasn't trying

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Speaker 2: But you know, you don't say a lot and you

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Speaker 2: that fun game with them. But but yeah, like I said,

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Speaker 2: they have a tough job. They have a really tough job,

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Speaker 2: and you know they're always you know, they don't get

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Speaker 2: They just they just get blamed.

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Speaker 1: It is their job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do it right, right, that's what you want

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Speaker 2: talked a whole bunch. But but maybe some refs would,

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Speaker 1: Are they like guiding you out there? Are they coaching

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Speaker 1: you up on what is a penalty and what's not?

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Speaker 1: Where like the framework a framework of where your hands

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so sometimes they will sometimes they disignore you. But

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Speaker 2: what one thing. One thing they do do is that

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Speaker 2: you get them to come to training camp, and that's big.

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Speaker 2: And they come to training camp and they spend a

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Speaker 2: they're like, we're an open book. Ask whatever questions you want,

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Speaker 2: you know, talk to us about how you see certain

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Speaker 2: plays or you know, for me, a lot it was,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's certain ways you can cut block and

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Speaker 2: a lot of times I was motioning and coming back

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Speaker 2: making sure, you know, the ways you're.

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Speaker 1: Not allowed to come back towards the what is that?

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Speaker 1: What's the is that you're not allowed to come back

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Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, if you were outside the box, right,

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Speaker 2: And so you know, I'd always ask questions like how

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Speaker 2: different things that I would, you know, pertain to me

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Speaker 2: in particular that I would talk to them during train

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Speaker 2: camp and then yeah, they you do get an open

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Speaker 2: dialogue with them, and so that's helpful going into a season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that that pass interference penalty on kennymore Man.

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Speaker 1: every Colts game at Lucas Oil Stadium ever. Yeah, okay, preseason, postseason.

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Speaker 1: That is the loudest. That's the loudest chorus of booze

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Speaker 1: four plays later it was still going. Man, where were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could hear it through the TV. I was

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Speaker 2: watching it at home. But that's such that was such

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Speaker 2: out you know, like Kenny, there's a little bit of

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Speaker 2: hand fighting there that's going on between both guys. Play.

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Speaker 2: That's every play. Yeah, as a tight end, you never hey,

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Speaker 2: trying to snap there. I mean, that's just that's football.

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Speaker 1: And also is that legal? Though? Are people doing that

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Speaker 1: and getting away with it? Because you said it happens

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Speaker 1: on every play. You could call it every play, right.

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Speaker 2: You call it legal contact every play, Like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: It's past five yards, Like, yeah, it's it's such a

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Speaker 2: I feel like the refs usually do a good job

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Speaker 2: of understanding the situation. Like the Texans were trying to

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Speaker 2: throw a seven yard endbreaker on third and fifteen, Like,

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Speaker 2: know that it's third and fifteen. Like, you're not calling

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Speaker 2: ticki tac stuff on third and fifteen when it's not

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Speaker 2: close to the first down anyway.

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Speaker 1: And it's in the red zone too, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It's yeah, it's the fourth quarter, it's a

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Speaker 1: fourth game.

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Speaker 2: Let them play. Yeah, I mean, you let them play that, right,

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Speaker 2: let them play on the fourth down later, Like it's

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Speaker 2: the same guy looking at the same thing, So why

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Speaker 2: didn't you call that? You know? That's that's that's the

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Speaker 2: frustrating part that we could go down the whole rabbit

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Speaker 2: player and trying to bounce back and play the next

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Speaker 2: you feel like it's you know, it's going against you.

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Speaker 1: And then I think Colts fans really lost their minds

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Speaker 1: on the pat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that just added to it, right, And.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see it in real time right right, because

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Speaker 1: I don't have the vantage point. I'm not behind the goalpost, right,

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Speaker 1: so I just saw the kickfly, you know, through the air,

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Speaker 1: and then they put their hands up. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: a pat, Like ninety nine percent of them go through

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Speaker 1: lot of time on it. And then during the commercial break,

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Speaker 1: I saw the replay and I'm thinking, what in the

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Speaker 1: Let's change it to the urgent button. The urgent button,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thinking back to you know, early in the season

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Speaker 2: and thinking about thinking back to this show and the

431
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Speaker 2: different episodes we had, Matt, you know, I was obsessed

432
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Speaker 2: with how efficient we were on first down, right, and

433
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Speaker 2: and how we were just you know, we weren't ever

434
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Speaker 2: in third and long. You know, I don't remember a

435
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Speaker 2: lot of third and eight plus right, you know, early

436
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Speaker 2: in the season. And that comes from how you know,

437
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Speaker 2: efficient you are on first and second down. So right

438
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Speaker 2: now you don't see the finishcy on first down, right,

439
00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,000
Speaker 2: and we're getting stuck in these third and longs and

440
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Speaker 2: here comes the pressure. So we got to somehow find

441
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Speaker 2: a way to get back to who we were early

442
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Speaker 2: in the season and having more successful plays on the

443
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Speaker 2: early downs.

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Speaker 1: And as a player, when you're out there as often

445
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Speaker 1: as you were, you know, the starting tight end for

446
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Speaker 1: this team. How hard is it when you're in a

447
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,480
Speaker 1: funk like this and when you're playing a major pivotal

448
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Speaker 1: game coming up on Sunday against the Jaguars, How difficult

449
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Speaker 1: is it to not press?

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the biggest challenge, right And what you worry about,

451
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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's what you know the coaches are worrying about,

452
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Speaker 2: worry about the players pressing, worry about themselves pressing. Like, guys,

453
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Speaker 2: we're fine, Like, you know, we we can do this.

454
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Speaker 2: We've shown what we can do. You know, We've we've

455
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Speaker 2: shown who this team can be, right, you know, and

456
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Speaker 2: I'm speaking from the offensive perspective right now, but we

457
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Speaker 2: just got to get back to it. And and you know,

458
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Speaker 2: that's a coach's job, that's a player's job. It's all

459
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Speaker 2: getting on the same page. And you know, again I

460
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Speaker 2: speak to you know, the way Chris Ballad has built

461
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Speaker 2: this locker room. This isn't going to be a team

462
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Speaker 2: that's going to be pointing fingers and being like, hey,

463
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Speaker 2: you got to hold up, you're endo the you know,

464
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Speaker 2: it's not that, it's hey, we're all going to end

465
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Speaker 2: this together. We're going to talk, you know, and figure

466
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Speaker 2: out a plan that works for everyone and being on

467
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Speaker 2: the same page. All right.

468
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Speaker 1: Then on defense, it's so hard to be critical of

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Speaker 1: that side of the ball. In the last two games, right,

470
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Speaker 1: you're on the road, Arrowhead Stadium, Patrick Mahomes, game goes

471
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Speaker 1: to overtime, you give up only twenty three points. Yeah,

472
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Speaker 1: home game. CJ. Stroud. I still think he's upper half

473
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Speaker 1: in the NFL in terms of quarterbacks. They only score

474
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Speaker 1: twenty points. But it's one of those things where you know,

475
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Speaker 1: you look at I mean, the Colts have only given

476
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Speaker 1: up three touchdowns in the last two games. The last

477
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Speaker 1: two opponents I think are combined three for eleven scoring

478
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Speaker 1: touchdowns in the red zone. But yet the Colts have

479
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Speaker 1: been sort of ball controlled. Yeah, you know what I mean,

480
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Speaker 1: Like they're not getting off the field. I think the

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Speaker 1: number is the Chiefs and the Texans and last two

482
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Speaker 1: games have combined for over seventy seven minutes a time

483
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Speaker 1: of possession. So the Colts have been deficient minus twenty

484
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Speaker 1: seven minutes time of possession almost in the last two games.

485
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Speaker 1: I know one of those games goes in overtime, so

486
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Speaker 1: it's going to be skewed. But how do you balance

487
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Speaker 1: the really good winnable point total? Right in modern day NFL,

488
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Speaker 1: you give up twenty to twenty three points, that's a

489
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Speaker 1: winning number. Yeah, right, you can win with that number.

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Speaker 1: But yet they're giving up big plays, they're not getting

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Speaker 1: off the field, they're not getting those three and ounts.

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Speaker 1: How do you balance the successful point total versus the

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Speaker 1: things between you know, the thirties or the twenties that

494
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Speaker 1: still have to be cleaned up for this defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough, Matt. And again, like the red zone

496
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Speaker 2: defense has been.

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Speaker 1: Right, credit to them when they got to make a play, they.

498
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Speaker 2: Did, they do. There's been timely, timely stoffs, but you

499
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Speaker 2: got to get off the field because it's just taken

500
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Speaker 2: away opportunities from the offense. Right. You know, there was

501
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Speaker 2: that you know, that point in the Texans game where

502
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Speaker 2: they you know, the Texans had the ball for like

503
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Speaker 2: a two minute drive before half, and then they got

504
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Speaker 2: the ball after the third quarter and they went on

505
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Speaker 2: a really long drive and it felt like the Colts

506
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Speaker 2: offense hadn't been.

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Speaker 1: The Colts only had the ball three times in the

508
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Speaker 1: second half against the Texas.

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Speaker 2: There you go, that's the opportunities that are getting taken

510
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Speaker 2: away by you know, the Texans taken up all that

511
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Speaker 2: time of possession. But yeah, and and and that point,

512
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Speaker 2: it felt like the Colts offense hadn't been on the

513
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Speaker 2: field for like an hour of real time, right, you know,

514
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Speaker 2: And and then that's tough for the offense. You want

515
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Speaker 2: them to get in a rhythm or you know, getting

516
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Speaker 2: getting a flow of the game. That's really hard to

517
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Speaker 2: do when you're sitting there for an hour. So yeah,

518
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Speaker 2: it's tough. You know. The defense is you know, again,

519
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Speaker 2: the defense been holding up their end of the bargain.

520
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Speaker 2: But again, you know, there's always ways to improve, and

521
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Speaker 2: and and that's getting off the field, you know, you know,

522
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Speaker 2: the way we're complaining or complaining and that's bbbly not

523
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Speaker 2: the right word, but the way we're seeing how the

524
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Speaker 2: Colts aren't being efficient on first down. The defense is

525
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Speaker 2: giving up a little too much on first down, you know,

526
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Speaker 2: on their side of the ball and giving teams you know,

527
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Speaker 2: more opportunities on third and manageables. But but yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: credit them for the red zone stops because points are

529
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Speaker 2: the name of the game, right, you don't want to

530
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Speaker 2: give up points. So yeah, definitely things that we can

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Speaker 2: improve on on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean more on that. I mean the Chiefs

533
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Speaker 1: and Texans combined to run one hundred and sixty two

534
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Speaker 1: plays to the Colts one oh one the last two games.

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Speaker 1: The Colts defense has given up nine drives in the

536
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Speaker 1: last two games that have lasted at least ten plays,

537
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Speaker 1: and all of those possessions yielded at least three points. Right,

538
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Speaker 1: So again, I know it's tough. Like you make a

539
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Speaker 1: play inside the red zone, you feel good about it.

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Speaker 1: The point total is the end all be all, but

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Speaker 1: you still have to be able to get off the field.

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Speaker 1: And where I want to go with that, because the

543
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Speaker 1: Colts are going to play one more game without DeForest Buckner.

544
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Speaker 1: He's eligible to return at least one more game, I

545
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Speaker 1: should say, because the earliest he can come back is

546
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Speaker 1: next Sunday against the Seattle Seahawks. So it's kind of

547
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Speaker 1: bad timing. You would love to have DeForest Buckner in

548
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Speaker 1: a game like this, not only because it's an AFC game,

549
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Speaker 1: but it's an AFC South game. It's on the road.

550
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Speaker 1: It's where it is. It's against the Jaguars, whereas the

551
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Speaker 1: next week is an NFC team against the Seahawks. But listen,

552
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Speaker 1: it is what it is, and it's really Again you

553
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Speaker 1: talk about deceptive or or things that don't really tell

554
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Speaker 1: the whole story. I looked it up last night. I

555
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Speaker 1: was blown away by this. The Colts ranked fifth in

556
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Speaker 1: the NFL this year in sacks. Yeah, they've got thirty

557
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Speaker 1: five sacks, top five. But when you watch it, it's

558
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Speaker 1: like Stroud had too much time. I know, at times

559
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Speaker 1: you're only rushing three against Patrick Mahomes, but he had

560
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Speaker 1: too much time in that game. Where do you stand

561
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Speaker 1: with the Colts pass rush, specifically in the last stretch

562
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Speaker 1: here without DeForest Buckner inside the lineup?

563
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I felt the same way, you know,

564
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Speaker 2: watching this game if Felix Stroud was able to buy

565
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Speaker 2: time too often again in some of those you know,

566
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Speaker 2: it was just rushing three and you know, and we

567
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Speaker 2: were dropping eight, and especially in the red zone when

568
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Speaker 2: you're trying to you know, you know, you hold a

569
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Speaker 2: team out in the red zone. That's kind of a

570
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Speaker 2: good recipe for it is to drop eight. So yeah,

571
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Speaker 2: you miss a guy like DeForest, you know, because he

572
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Speaker 2: not only the you know, the pressures in the sacks

573
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Speaker 2: that he produces, but that tension he you know, the

574
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Speaker 2: attention he deserves and the attention he gets is going

575
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Speaker 2: to free up guys you know more often on the edge.

576
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Speaker 2: And so yeah, definitely missing a guy like the Forest,

577
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Speaker 2: and not only in the pass rush, but in the

578
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Speaker 2: run game too. You know, I think that's been a

579
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Speaker 2: been a huge you know hole that you know, teams

580
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Speaker 2: are trying to expose with the Forest on in there.

581
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the pass rush knows they got

582
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Speaker 2: they got to do more and trying to find a

583
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Speaker 2: way to get you know, more pressure without having to

584
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Speaker 2: blitz right and you know, fifth in sacks. You know again,

585
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of surprised by that sat too, but that

586
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Speaker 2: has to you know, that's some credit to the coverage

587
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: guys too. And you know some of these stacks have

588
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: come from you know, you call them coverage sacks. So yeah,

589
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Speaker 2: definitely want more for the pass rush because you know,

590
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Speaker 2: you see it on the Colts offense. When you get

591
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Speaker 2: a rush and it makes that guy just trying to

592
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Speaker 2: make a decision a little quicker, it can really cause

593
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Speaker 2: problems for the offense. So so yeah, I definitely definitely

594
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Speaker 2: want to see.

595
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Speaker 1: More and it's a very diverse pass rush for the Colts,

596
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Speaker 1: they play a lot again, a lot of rotation, right,

597
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Speaker 1: a lot of rotation. I think the number is I

598
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Speaker 1: don't have it written down here, but I think off

599
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Speaker 1: my head the Colts have nine players with at least

600
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Speaker 1: two sacks. Yeah, right, and so lat two has six sacks.

601
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Speaker 1: Quidty pays. Numbers are rising a little bit, but you

602
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Speaker 1: just want to see more of those, like first wave sacks,

603
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Speaker 1: as Rick Venturi likes to call him, like top of

604
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Speaker 1: the drop, Like as soon as that quarterback plants at

605
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Speaker 1: the top of his drop, you want to see him

606
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Speaker 1: under pressure more at the beginning of his progressions down

607
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Speaker 1: the field looking to throw the ball.

608
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a playoff for everybody, because even if it's

609
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Speaker 2: not a sack and you force a throwaway or you know,

610
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Speaker 2: you get a hit, he starts the balls. Yeah, he's

611
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Speaker 2: thinking about it, and then the next snap he's drifting

612
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: a little bit the opposite direction and you know in

613
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Speaker 2: his drop, just you know, by instinct. So you'd like,

614
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Speaker 2: you know, two or three of those a game where

615
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Speaker 2: you know someone's just winning quickly. What would be a

616
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: big help for the defense and when what we're talking

617
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Speaker 2: about and getting off the field a little quicker.

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Speaker 1: M m all right, let's talk about let's double back

619
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Speaker 1: and go back to the offense. Talk about Daniel Jones.

620
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Speaker 1: You were a guy that played with a ton of pain,

621
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Speaker 1: you know, things that never showed up on the injury report.

622
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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody does right in the NFL. Everybody plays

623
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Speaker 1: with stuff that that it really doesn't get reported. But

624
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: but Daniel Jones in this case is reportedly playing with

625
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: a fibulal injury but still playing at a very high

626
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: level on Sunday, though he had just one pass attempt

627
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: outside of the pocket. I think it was that that

628
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: little mini rollout that he had that many boot on

629
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Speaker 1: the touchdown pass to Tyler Horn, which was really good

630
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: to see. But we didn't see him scramble. We didn't

631
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: see him boot as often as we have in recent past.

632
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: And then the Colts, you know, going back to that

633
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: first major threat of a scoring drive, you know, fourth

634
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: and one of the nine. Here comes Tyler Warren to

635
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: take that snap under center and run a quarterback sneak

636
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: rather than Daniel Jones. So are you concerned about Daniel Jones.

637
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 1: Is I'm gonna call it in quotes, situational limitations that

638
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: he might be playing with at the moment because of

639
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: his fibula.

640
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am a little bit, honestly, you know, and

641
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: I think that might play into a little bit of

642
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: you know, the efficiency on first downs tough, you know,

643
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Speaker 2: because of you know, we're seeing backer run through, We're

644
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 2: seeing load of boxes on Jonathan Taylor and how do

645
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: we negate that. Early in the season, it was a

646
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: lot of play action, roll out hitting pit on a

647
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: little flat route or you know, Tyler Warren sliding across,

648
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, a little easy completion. So, you know, Daniel Jones,

649
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: I mean, first off, what a tough son of a

650
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: you know what, Like I mean to go out there

651
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: and be playing with the way he's playing, and I

652
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: think he played and.

653
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: If he couldn't play, he wouldn't be playing.

654
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: No, No, he wouldn't do that to his teammates either, right,

655
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: you know, he wouldn't do that. And he's playing well, right,

656
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: I think he played well overall on Sunday. But yeah,

657
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: it's tough, it's it's it's definitely, you know a bit

658
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: of a concern that. You know, that's a big part

659
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: of his game. So when when that's limited, you know,

660
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: you know, it makes it tough. So hopefully he's getting

661
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: a little better, right And I think he's coming out

662
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: of the games pretty unscathed. I hope, you know, And

663
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: he doesn't seem to be. You know, you never saw

664
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: like a change to his gate, you know, throughout the

665
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: game or anything like that. So hopefully he's improving week

666
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: by week even though he's out there playing and and

667
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: continue to get himself better. But again, what a tough

668
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: dude man and being out there for his guys and

669
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: still delivering. And again I thought he played well Sunday.

670
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: But is there any substance to what we saw last

671
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: week or is it all just sort of like coincidental

672
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: because of how the Texans were playing the Colts, they

673
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: were really collapsing the pocket there. You know, we talk

674
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: about the quarterback scrambles or lack thereof. There really weren't

675
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: going back and watching the game and reliving the game.

676
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: There weren't a ton of moments and opportunities for him

677
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: to do that.

678
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: No, I don't think there was opportunities from scramble, but yeah,

679
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: maybe there would have been a couple more rollouts in

680
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: the game plan. I think if he's fully healthy, right

681
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: and again, like the one we saw was a touchdown

682
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: to Tyler Warren, and again we saw that a lot

683
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: early in the season. And again, hopefully he's getting better

684
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: weekend week out. I know he's working with the trainers

685
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: like crazy, and we have a great training staff that'll

686
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: that'll get him right. And again, but what a tough

687
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: dude be out there competing with his guys and putting

688
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 2: you know, doing a good job. He really is and

689
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: played well Sunday.

690
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna talk about the Curse of Jacksonville

691
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: coming up, but before we do that, I'm sorry, I

692
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: do want to highlight one other guy within this offense,

693
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: all right. I wrote it down to make sure we

694
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: spend time talking about Alec Pierce. What a game he had, right,

695
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: He's not gonna blow you know, the fantasy football owners away.

696
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't have like one hundred and fifty

697
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: yards receiving seventy eight yards four catches, all of them

698
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: gain at least fifteen yards touchdown on the back left

699
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: corner of the end zone. Two guys draped all over him.

700
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: What a throw? By Daniel Jones, putting it up for

701
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: where only his guy can go up and get it.

702
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: And that's a catch that not many guys in the

703
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: NFL can make. That's how stinking good Alec Pierce has

704
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: become the growth that he has shown for you. You

705
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: know more about this than anybody. What are the specific

706
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: areas where you've seen Alec Pierce really elevate his game

707
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: and become more than just a you know what. Some

708
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: people have labeled him coming in coming into the season

709
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: as a stereotypical one trick pony, a nine route, go

710
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: route guy in the sideline, go up and get it.

711
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: He's way more than that.

712
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: What a stud man. He just plays football the right way,

713
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: you know. Going to his touchdown, his release at the

714
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, he like made the corner almost fall

715
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: down again, you know. And that's not just a guy

716
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: just turning out and running right. He gave him, gives

717
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: him a move, So a go route's not just a

718
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: go route, right, You got to work a release. And

719
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: he had a great release and he made a heck

720
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: of a catch on an end route where he had

721
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: to jump up and get it. But he looks great

722
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: coming in out of his cuts. Again, you know, early

723
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: in his career, could he have made those cuts. But

724
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: this is a guy that's you know, worked really hard,

725
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: and I know Reggie has you know, Reggie was the

726
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: best at it. You know, no one could run a

727
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: comeback route like Reggie Wayne. So I know he's working

728
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: hard with Reggie. And this is a guy that just

729
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, every single day he shows up the right way,

730
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: shows up as the same guy, and works his tail

731
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: off and it's showing on the field on Sunday. But

732
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: I was so hyped when they threw that go route,

733
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: you know, to him for the touchdown, because when teams

734
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: are pressuring you so much, you got to make them pay, right,

735
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: and they're they're playing sticky coverage on the outside. Okay,

736
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: you want to play sticky coverage, go guard Alec Pierce, right,

737
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: And so yeah, that was a that was a good

738
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: play to kind of, you know, hopefully try and back

739
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: them off a little bit and and make teams more

740
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: hesitant to come up and try and press, you know,

741
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: pressure us and press our receivers. But but yeah, Pierce

742
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: is a stud man. He's fun to watch.

743
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: But that's a great point though, because when the Colts

744
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: are seeing as much pressure as they are, and I know,

745
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: when when you have blitzes come in in your face,

746
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: a it's tough to see. It's tough to anticipate. And

747
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: it's also you got to you have to have, you know,

748
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: the ability to step into your throw and have a

749
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: launching point and a follow through. You have to have

750
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: room to follow through on your throw. But but just

751
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: generally speaking, how important is Alec Pierce outside the numbers

752
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, to be able to get him the ball

753
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: in those situations when the Colts are seeing as much

754
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: pressure and as many blitzes as they are, it's.

755
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: Huge there should you know, there should be five go

756
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: balls thrown to Piers again in my opinion, right with

757
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: with how much pressure we're seeing on these third downs

758
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: and even on early downs, just giving them a shot

759
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: to kind of back them off. But again, the touchdown

760
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: was huge. We drew the he drew the DPI on

761
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: a third and like nineteen or something like that, something crazy.

762
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: Not sure if that's a catchable ball, no.

763
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: But then but then there was another one later that

764
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: could have been called to, right, and they threw them

765
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: another one.

766
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: But that's how bad the officiating one? Right? Yeah, that

767
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: ways to be fair, Yeah, it wasn't good, but it

768
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: went both ways.

769
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, if you're sitting the guy in front row

770
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: might have caught that ball. Yeah, but but yeah, but

771
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: taking those shots are huge, man, in backing these guys off.

772
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: You've got to make people pay. And that's what the

773
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: Colts I know this is they know this. You know,

774
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: I'm not telling them anything they don't know, but you

775
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: got to make people pay if they're going to keep

776
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: bringing pressure, right, and it just takes two plays or one,

777
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: you know, just making guys pay. You know, it's the

778
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: ball and breaking a tackle and going you know, we

779
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: got to make them pay. And Pierce is a great

780
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: weapon to have, you know, when teams are trying to

781
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: do that to us.

782
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: You know, just listening to you talk was like, like,

783
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: how different was the blitz planned by the Texans compared

784
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: to that of the Chiefs. You know, when you when

785
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: you go back and.

786
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: Watch it, it wasn't much different. Honestly. I think the Texans,

787
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, saw what the Chiefs did and had success

788
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 2: with and came in and tried to do something kind

789
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: of similar. The Texans don't pressure a lot, don't. I

790
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: didn't look up the stats or any it was under

791
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: thirty on the season or on Sunday on the season,

792
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: on the season coming into the game, yeah, and I

793
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: bet they're way above that on Sunday and more in

794
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: line with what the Chiefs did the week before, and

795
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: especially on third down, you know, and even on the

796
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: early downs. I don't even know if they'll go down

797
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: as pressures, but teams are running backers through. They're trying

798
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: to that's you run a backer through to negate a

799
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: double team by your O lineman to stop the run game,

800
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: right and trying to get them off their double teams.

801
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: So the linebackers are running through to try and stop

802
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: our run game. And it's just it's what the chief showed.

803
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: And then you saw the Texans doing the same thing.

804
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: And it's tough in the gate and you gotta negate it.

805
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: You got to make teams pay if they're going to

806
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: be that aggressive against you. And and I know the

807
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 2: Colts know this, but it's finding ways to to to

808
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: to setting up screen passes or you know, throwing the

809
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: go route to pierce or downs, creating separation underneath and

810
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: and getting stacks and you know, there's all kinds of

811
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: fun ways to do it. But and and we just

812
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: got to make that's how you stop this. You know this,

813
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: you know this pressure craze that everyone's going to do

814
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: against us until until we show we can stop it

815
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: right and and and produce and get it right that

816
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: my point total, Yes, score like break a tackle and score,

817
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: get a completion, you know, break a tackle on score.

818
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: It's it sounds simple, but it's tough to do when

819
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: you know guys are in your face. And and again,

820
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: we're going to find a plan to to to be

821
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: it again. You know, to look at a glass at fall.

822
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: We're getting at it right, We're getting all these reps

823
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: at all this pressure that we're going to figure it out, right,

824
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: you know, we're professional football players like that. We're going

825
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: to figure out how we're going to beat this and

826
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: we're going to make these guys pay.

827
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: And I know the answer to this question, but I'm

828
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: gonna ask you anyways, just for the sake of the audience,

829
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: how do you rep this stuff in practice?

830
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: Right?

831
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: Because you have one really because late in the season,

832
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: Shane Stikeen is really you know, sort of mindful of

833
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: where you're at in terms of your body. So Wednesday

834
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: now is not the traditional early in the season practice

835
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: where you're in full pads and it's you know, thud,

836
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: it's never full go. But now you're having a walkthrough

837
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: on Wednesdays where Thursday now is kind of like your

838
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: big day of physical practice. How do you rep this

839
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: stuff in practice? The quarterbacks still wearing the red jersey,

840
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: it's non contact. How do you how do you simulate

841
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: the the live, full go pressures that these guys are

842
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: seeing every single week in practice when practice is kind of,

843
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, kind of water down

844
00:36:59,400 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: in terms.

845
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: Of, yeah, you have blitz periods, and you know, the

846
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: blitz periods come through, third down periods, they come through

847
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: you know, you just have straight up blitz periods, and

848
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: and you're repping at like crazy. You're you know, when

849
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: you know we're doing special teams as a team, the

850
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: old line is always off to the side, you know,

851
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: walking through their blitz pickups and and walk through as

852
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: they're doing extra and during meetings they're doing extra that

853
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: you get so many reps to making sure your communication

854
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: is on the same page because you don't need a

855
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: lot of physical reps at this point in the season.

856
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: As you're saying man, that's just that's just stupid, honestly,

857
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: because you're you're gonna get guys hurt. And these guys

858
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: have are hitting plenty on Sundays, right, so we don't

859
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: need more of that. But even when you're in helmets,

860
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: you have these little shell pads on, right, and you're

861
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: going pretty much full speed. You know, it's not the

862
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: same physicality, but you're seeing the blitz is full speed,

863
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: and and Daniel seeing them full speed, and the receivers

864
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: are feeling what the timing should be for them, and

865
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: you know, and our our scout, our scout, D's got

866
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: to give us great looks and figuring out ways to

867
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: to to to show, you know, what Jacksonville is going

868
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: to do. And again it's going to be a copycat

869
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 2: of what you've seen from the Chiefs and the Texans,

870
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: and so yeah, you got to have a plan going

871
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: into going into Sunday.

872
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great stuff, man, I appreciate you talking about that.

873
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: That's really good stuff that I think most fans don't

874
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: really realize or no, just you know, the concepts and

875
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: the logistics of getting ready for these big games late

876
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: in the season. And speaking of that, boy, oh boy,

877
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: we got a monster coming up on Sunday, Colts and

878
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: Jaguars EverBank Stadium. We know the drill. You're tired of

879
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: talking about it. Are hearing it? We're tired of talking

880
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: about it. The Colts have lost nine in a row

881
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: on the road in Jacksonville. Technically it's ten straight road

882
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: losses for the Colts against the Jaguars. You throw in

883
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: a twenty sixteen game in London in the mix there,

884
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: but it's been a house of whores at EverBank Stadium.

885
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: Both teams are eight and four. First place is on

886
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: the line inside the AFC South jack answer this question

887
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: because now you're a fan. Now you're emotionally invested right now.

888
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: You don't have like the tunnel vision of a player anymore. Right,

889
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: you get lost in the minutia. You're just thinking about Sunday,

890
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: over and over and over all week long. This is

891
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: the biggest regular season game for the Colts since win

892
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: Was it twenty twenty one Week eighteen? Was it twenty

893
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: twenty three Week eighteen? Winning You're in against the Texans

894
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: Week fifteen last year against the Broncos, when that game

895
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: was such a big game. You know, in terms of

896
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: the playoff swing, answer the question fill in the blank

897
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: biggest game for the Colts since blank?

898
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the twenty twenty three winning your

899
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: in game. What comes to mind. I'm on Bronco, the

900
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: Broncos game. Yes, but this is a division. We're still

901
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: trying to win the division, and.

902
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: The curse is still into the curse.

903
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: All Right, we've already snapped. We already snapped one curse, right,

904
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: we snapped the You know what I'm saying, The opening

905
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: week week one win streak is now at once, so

906
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: we're going the other way. But so why not snap

907
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: this too? Matt? Yeah, golly, I have a hard time

908
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: even talking about EverBank Stadium. A lot of bad memories there,

909
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: but hey, we got we got the chance here, right, You.

910
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: Were what like two and you won your first two. Personally,

911
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: I know what I.

912
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 2: Did, Matt yesterday I went and looked at the stats

913
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: from the last time we won down there in twenty fourteen.

914
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: Andrew had like three hundred and seventy yards, four touchdowns.

915
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: We like threw it to twelve different people forty four

916
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: to seventeen, forty four to seventeen, and I remember, like,

917
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: we'll never lose down here. This is what we do

918
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: down in Jacksville, right, my first two Sunday we come

919
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: down here, get a quick win. I get to play

920
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: a lot on offense. You know, this is a lot

921
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: of fun.

922
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's what you get.

923
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, thinking like that the tables have turned, right, Betty,

924
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: But no, Yeah, it's again. This is a big, big game, man,

925
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: and it's December Football Division football. Like, let's go and

926
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: we can sit here, like you said, Matt, think about

927
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 2: Sunday all week. But the good thing about the players

928
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: is they get stuck back into their routine, right, and

929
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: they get stuck into, you know, doing what they need

930
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: to do to get ready for the game. And you know,

931
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 2: you don't feel all that that maybe the fans feel

932
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 2: through the week.

933
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that I looked up during

934
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: this streak, I think one of the big common denominators

935
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: is turnovers. The Colts have been killed by turnovers historically

936
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: on the road during this nine game losing skid. By

937
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: the way, the nine game winning streak for the Jaguars

938
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: over the Colts at home is their longest home winning

939
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 1: streak over any opponent and their franchise's history. Prise, Yeah,

940
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: I mean obviously right, that goes without saying, but you

941
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: look at this series here, the Colts have been outscored

942
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: by one hundred and forty eight points in those nine losses.

943
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: They have lost six games by at least fifteen. But

944
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: the Colts are minus thirteen in the turnover margin in

945
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: those nine games, and they've lost the turnover battle nine

946
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: So it's really not that hard. Like, if you take

947
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: care of the football, you give yourself a much better chance,

948
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: especially against this defense that's still pretty good their top

949
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: five and overall defense, and stopping the run as well.

950
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's football, And I don't care what

951
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: game you're playing. You take care of the football, you

952
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: give it you get, you have a much better chance

953
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: to win. I don't know what the percentages are, but

954
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 2: if you're plus two in the turnover battle, I think

955
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: it's like you win eighty percent of the games or something,

956
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: you know. I remember coach is always showing that on

957
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: the you know, in the team meetings or things like that.

958
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 2: But you gotta take care of the football, right and

959
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: and the Colts have done a good job of that.

960
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: You know, they had the one game in Pittsburgh where

961
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: you know, it didn't really.

962
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: Go We lost the last two games by winning the

963
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: turnof yeah, right, and how rare.

964
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: Is that that? That is very rare. That is very rare.

965
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, take care of the football. The curse is

966
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: gonna you know, the curse is over, man, and we're

967
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: let's go do it.

968
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: But isn't the curse fascinating?

969
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: Though?

970
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: Like silly just to kind of like look back at

971
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: it objectively, like it's fascinating, because.

972
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't make sense.

973
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense because EverBank Stadium, it's not

974
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: like Foxborough or Lambeau all due respect, yeah, okay, it's

975
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: not all that Historically an intimidating place to play. They

976
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: got good fans, just like every fan base. They got

977
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: their diehards and they are people that show up. But

978
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, some of these losses. I don't mean to

979
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: open up bad bad scars there, Jack Doyle, but but

980
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: some of these losses, I mean, in this time, the

981
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: Jaguars have had some of the worst teams in the NFL,

982
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: and the Colts haven't been able to negotiate those squads.

983
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: That's what that's what doesn't make sense about it, man,

984
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: is like you said.

985
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: You've had two win teams.

986
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 2: And for Jaguars you know, they've had some good seasons

987
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: in that in that stretch, but there's been seasons where

988
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: you know, they're you said, two wins, one win. You know,

989
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: there were one win going into that game in twenty one. Yeah,

990
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: So it's just it doesn't make sense. So it's time

991
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: to just like end it and let's just stop talking

992
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: about it. I'm with you, and let's go get it

993
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: done on all right, we brought it up.

994
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: For the sake of discussion. We've done our journalistic integrity

995
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: right there. We're not going to you know, dodge the

996
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: bad topics, So there you go. But we have to

997
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: end on a more positive always, So that's what we

998
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: do right here. If you're new to the podcast, we

999
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: always have fun to wrap up the show. We call

1000
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: it a segment called you Don't Know Jack. We get

1001
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: to know Jack Doyle a little bit better. We take

1002
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: off the pads and the helmets and find out more

1003
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: about Jack from a personality standpoint. And I had fun

1004
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: putting this one together. All right, you saw it in

1005
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: the rundown, so you're ready to go. You're locked in loaded.

1006
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you ever have any questions

1007
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: on you Don't Know Jack, that you want to give

1008
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: us express your personality a little bit more, just let

1009
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: us know. But in the meantime, I'm going to ask

1010
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: you this question, and you the audience, you think about

1011
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: what your answer would be on this as well. But

1012
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: here's your question this week, Jack Doyle, and you do

1013
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: not know, Jack, what would be your first question after

1014
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: waking up being crnogenetically frozen after one hundred years? Like

1015
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: Austin Powers, Remember he wakes up, it's like fifty years later,

1016
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: it's like the late nineties, and he comes out and

1017
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: he's like completely out of place. So, Jack Doyle, how

1018
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: would you handle waking up after being put on mute

1019
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: or the pause button for one hundred years later? What

1020
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: would be your first questions? How would you get your

1021
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: bearings about?

1022
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, my first question. So my first thought was

1023
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: Austin Powers and I have to go take a peek, right,

1024
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: That was that was my first thought when I saw

1025
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: the question. What would in the case, yeah, what would

1026
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: be my that's an all time scene, all time scene.

1027
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: What would be my first question? It would probably you know,

1028
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: I'd probably be pretty hungry. I'd be like, hey, where's

1029
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: a good you know, where can I get some good pizza.

1030
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: It's still like what are we doing here? But then

1031
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: you know, I'd get into like, you know, I guess

1032
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: I go, you know, meet my descendants and meet.

1033
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: Some I don't know what I mean, great grandkids, yeah.

1034
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: Great grandkids, go see what you know, if they're handling

1035
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: themselves all right, and all that fun stuff. But I

1036
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: would you know, my first instinct was to be like, hey,

1037
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: how's the food? Now? You know it has food changed.

1038
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what's right. I'm starving. I would be starving.

1039
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: You have an eight hundred years man, you'd be starving.

1040
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: That's yeah, it's an interesting thought. And you start thinking

1041
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: about that, it's like, GotY, what would the world look like?

1042
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: What's it gonna look like in uh in a hundred years?

1043
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I can't even do math an no question, it's uh,

1044
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: it is weird to think about.

1045
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: Matt. I want to know how many Super Bowls the

1046
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: Colts won? There you go, right, yeah, what's our record?

1047
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: Still rolling?

1048
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: Have we beaten the curse of Jacksonville? Unfortunately? I need

1049
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: some closure to this one.

1050
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I got frozen today, So yes, yes, the

1051
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: curse was They might.

1052
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: Be talking about like Jacksonville doesn't have a team anymore.

1053
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: What are you talking about the Curs snapped five? You

1054
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: just missed out. Wait a minute, we got frozen on Saturday.

1055
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got frozen on Thursday of the game was Sunday. Yeah,

1056
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, but I'm sure we're gonna have

1057
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: flying cars and you know, people aren't going to use

1058
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: cell phones anymore. You know, you're gonna have like computer

1059
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: chips in our brain.

1060
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: It's just gonna be like your SERI would just like

1061
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: be in your head that calls call Matt Taylor, and

1062
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: my head will start just.

1063
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't need FaceTime anymore. They're just gonna be

1064
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: like a screen.

1065
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: But just I don't I don't think I want to

1066
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: be here.

1067
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: It's kind of depressed. I kind of like these face

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Speaker 1: to face, yeah, interaction podcasts that we do. In twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping we can like start going the other way somehow,

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Speaker 2: some way.

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Speaker 1: But do you think we've reached our well, well, we

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Speaker 1: have opened up a can of work, yeah we have.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we have reached our zenith when it

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Speaker 1: comes to social media?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I do. Really, I hope, so I hope maybe

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Speaker 2: that's maybe that's just an optimistic. I'm pretty an opt

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Speaker 2: optimistic guy.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's just my Hopefully in ten years, like you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't have like this dependence on no constantly updating

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Speaker 1: our lives on social media and you know, videos and

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Speaker 1: likes and analytics.

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Speaker 2: And things like that. Right, Yeah, there's going to be

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Speaker 2: you don't want to say something's going to happen, but

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Speaker 2: like it's something's got to wake people up to that

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Speaker 2: to actually happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're getting deep, we are getting I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I did not.

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Speaker 2: I think I forgot the cameras were song, but you

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Speaker 2: know what, but who knows, Matt, You know, hopefully we

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Speaker 2: can get back to personal you know, the way it

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Speaker 2: used to be. I know, you're a kind of a

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Speaker 2: historic guy, and you know you're you're a man of

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Speaker 2: the eighties, probably more so so born in the wrong generation.

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Speaker 2: I feel the same about myself. So maybe wishful thinking.

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Speaker 2: I like wishful thinking.

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Speaker 1: I would want to know in a hundred years what

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Speaker 1: my Netflix password is so I can still log in.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that won't be a thing any.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how much how much you think it's gone up? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What is it now? YouTube?

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Speaker 1: TVs? Like two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: They had a dollar every year. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: pretty expensive.

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Speaker 1: How many how many seasons of Survivor are we on

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Speaker 1: one hundred years from now? It's still going. Well done,

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Speaker 1: man cha right there, Jack Doyle This week on the

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Speaker 1: Jack Doyle Podcast, hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving. As

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Speaker 1: we transition now into the month of December at a

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Speaker 1: huge game on Sunday coming up for the Colts. Colts

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Speaker 1: and Jaguars will break it all down coming up next

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Speaker 1: week as we continue on here in the late stages

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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty five season for the Colts. For

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Speaker 1: Jack Doyle, I'm Matt Taylor. Thanks for watching, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Here are the Colts podcast channel.