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Speaker 1: of enjoying this time off, just me and mom and

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00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: my wife called it the baby bubble. The baby bubble. Yeah,

424
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: going to a baby bubble. Yeah, it's kind of odd.

425
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: Hold up, Yeah, I've got some projects done around the house. Um,

426
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: put a heater in my garage. Um, I got out

427
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: bow hunting one day locally here with the longbow I

428
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: built a few years ago, and I saw a bunch

429
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: of deer shot a dough. She took a couple of

430
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: steps and I was trying to get another arrow out

431
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: and I sliced the heck out of my thumb. Back

432
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: down to the emergency room, back down to the hospital.

433
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: Trip here we go. I got a few stitches in there.

434
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: Slow any chases on this trip or no, no, no, no,

435
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: that's great man, Yeah, no, it was. It's been good.

436
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: Now I'm here, we're gonna talk about but you're, um,

437
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: it's amazing what they can do now with the babies.

438
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: You could have a baby that early in that small

439
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: and now that babies at home gain weight, right, that's

440
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: like the one thing that they want to see is

441
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: weight game. So we feed him every three hours and

442
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: they're like they check his weight. Um, but we have

443
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: oxygen tanks at home, which he has been off of

444
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: him for a while, and then a little monitor, so

445
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: we gotta every time we move them, move chords around

446
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: and stuff. Um. But like you said, like I don't know,

447
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, could you have taken him home probably not.

448
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, go back far enough. It had been

449
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: just like I don't want to talk about what it

450
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: was like. But not good, no, no, but he was

451
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: actually right when he was born off oxygen for two

452
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: days and then he kind of he was working so hard,

453
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: got a little tired, and that's when they put him

454
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: on oxygen. Oscar Oscar Floyd, Oscar, not Chester. There's a

455
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it Oscar. There's a reason behind that name. Though.

456
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: Danielle's great grandfather was a cowboy up near have Her, Montana.

457
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: His name was Oscar. Oh. You know what, I just

458
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: realized that, you know, Boone's kid, first kid that got killed,

459
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: was named James. I'm gonna start telling everybody that's why

460
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: I name my kid after why not? Right, Yeah, It's like,

461
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: feel like I'll tell you what I did, all right, Jason,

462
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: we got wait, how did you get in the wall?

463
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: But how did you in the wall? Eye tournament business?

464
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: This is a good place to start. So while I

465
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: fishing or tournaments fishing, alright, So fishing, I've always fished, um,

466
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, just just like anybody else. Family, farm ponds,

467
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, just bob er and a hook, you know,

468
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: worm catching bass. Born in Ohio. I was actually born

469
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: in California. Um military family, so we bounced around a bit.

470
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: UM came to Ohio. That's where my parents were from

471
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: family farm and p a. Much of my fishing was

472
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: with my grandfather's. Both of them would take me fishing.

473
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: The one I didn't think that you could actually catch fish,

474
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: because we'd go out and I'm pretty sure we went

475
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: out on his boat just to get out of the house,

476
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: away from the wives and the grandma's. And then my

477
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: other grandfather didn't fish much at all, but we would

478
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: go to our family farm pond and it was like

479
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: lights out, you know, bass and and catfish, and we

480
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: thought we were heroes. So I had to independently different

481
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: fishing upbringings from my grandfather's. UM. My dad never really

482
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: fished all that much with us. He was more of

483
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: a hunter. UM. But but I I fished with my

484
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: grandparents growing up a lot. So UM I always fished,

485
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: and and I got into college and I met a

486
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: few guys and and one of my buddies in particular,

487
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: he grew up in Toledo and he ran fishing charters

488
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: and his family grew up fishing Walleye and salmon on

489
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes, and he was a big time fisherman.

490
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: We're just studying college. Um so a lot of stuff, man.

491
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: I I I basically studied, I think girls in baseball.

492
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: Um and then I went down to southern Ohio. So

493
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: I did a lot of hunting down there. I met

494
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: some guys, you know. So people thought I transferred out

495
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: of college because everything but school interested me. Um. So

496
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: I did go into college. I end up. I end

497
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: up going through the police academy. Uh. And that's what

498
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: I do now. I do that now. Um as my job.

499
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm a local city city cop outside of Cleveland, and

500
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: I worked for a nice town. But that's what I do.

501
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: So book smart stuff's not my not my deal. And

502
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: hands on, I worked, you know, I grew up doing

503
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: construction and and underground utilities and kind of working hard.

504
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: And then I just I found my way into actually

505
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: the real estate stuff. I was working with the real

506
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: estate company and then in oh six oh seven, that

507
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: kind of crashed out nationwide and my boss is like,

508
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: you gotta do something. Man. He goes, basically, I've been

509
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: paying you, but the banks aren't paying us. So I

510
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: thought it was a good time, you know, to go

511
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: back as I always wanted to do it. So I

512
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: went through the police Academy and and that's what I did.

513
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: UM actually started to think about a career job. So

514
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: that's that's when I turned over and did that. UM

515
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: put back to back to college and fishing. I met.

516
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: I met this guy and and he's just he was

517
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: an outdoor full you know, hunting and fishing, and he

518
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: grew up fishing. So I always went out on his boat,

519
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: used his gear, and we learned. I learned to fish

520
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes, I learned how to fish for walleye

521
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: and he It wasn't a tournament style, was just basically

522
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: a catch style. Just get out there, troll, get as

523
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: many fish as you can, uh you know, go home,

524
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: clean them up, eat them, do do the thing the

525
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: next time. You know, is there what is the difference

526
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: between the tournament style and the cut style. So Lake

527
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: Erie is a phenomenal fishery just in general, but the

528
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: tournament style, you you transition from trying to catch just

529
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: as many fish as you can. And we would do

530
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: that oftentimes, like you'll troll and you'll troll spoons and

531
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: uh you you know, basically spread them out and spoons

532
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: are fantastic way to catch fish, but I as a

533
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: tournament guy, we wouldn't target big fish that way. So

534
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: you would target structure or deep water, using like bigger

535
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: crank baits and things like that, and not saying you

536
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: can't big fish. You want a few hogs and not

537
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of littles. Right, so you're almost you're almost

538
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: trying to get away from the schools. You're trying to

539
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: fish the edges of schools because one theory on it

540
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: is is that the big fish don't like to be

541
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: around the little fish and vice versa. If if if

542
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: you're a big fish with a bunch of little you know,

543
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: smaller fish, oftentimes males, it's just they're annoying them, especially

544
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: during like early springtime spot like the males are actually

545
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: pestering the females. So you know, in a tournament setting,

546
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: are you're trying to get trophy fish, you want the

547
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: big females, and they're they're just bigger all throughout the

548
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: year end in the fall, So fishing styles are slightly different.

549
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: But but just to catch fish, it's basically, you know

550
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: how I got brought up? Can you shed a little

551
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: light on that fishery from when you were fishing with

552
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: your buddy back in college to what it is now.

553
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: So the answers yes, and the answers yes and no.

554
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: Because I had no idea that we actually could, you know,

555
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: had such a good fishery on Lake Erie. It was

556
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: just I never did that. My family didn't have boats.

557
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: We weren't out there running Lake Erie like a lot

558
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: of these guys grew up doing. So. I just thought

559
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: it was yeah, would go out there and it was easy.

560
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: So now I see that it's not so easy. But

561
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: once you know where they're at or know how to

562
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: do it, it's it can be easy because you can.

563
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: They say that they're you know, a hundred million walleyes

564
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: on Lake Erie. And as you were talking about the ducks,

565
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: they are doing interesting studies. Uh. There's a biologist with

566
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: the ode and Ours names Travis Hartman. I've been talking

567
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: to him. He puts out where they're spawning, where they're

568
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: going to you know, feed throughout the course of the

569
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: year because they all migrate from the shallow waters of

570
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: the west, the all the spawning structure all the way

571
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: back out east, and then they work their way back

572
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean in you know, Pennsylvania, Buffalo, New York and

573
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: things like that, and then they're coming back east and

574
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: they're it's all food related. It's food driven, but I'm

575
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: sure a lot of it has to do with temperature.

576
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: But basically, to answer your question is, I don't know

577
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: the specifics about walleye fishing and how it's changed because

578
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm relatively new into it. But I can tell you this.

579
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: When I started was the beginning of like this O

580
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: two oh three hatch where these fish were just everywhere,

581
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, phenomenal fishing. And then you know, around the

582
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: mid like twelve to fifteen, they were giants, so everybody

583
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: thought you thought you were a hero, you know. And

584
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: that's coming back now because now we've had this fifteen

585
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: and sixteen hatch where it's just continuous year after year

586
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: of these good hatches on Lake Erie, and now these

587
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: fish are like five six pound fish. And then the

588
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: next two years. If you if you're a walleye fisherman

589
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: anywhere in the world and you wanted to go catch

590
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: some trophy walleyes and catch a lot of them, you're

591
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: gonna want to go to Lake Erie. It's just I'm

592
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: not gonna say it's easy, but when you find them,

593
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: it can be easy, and you can they're healthy, just

594
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: the fisheries healthy in general, and it's and it's thriving

595
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: out there. Wold be good little trip for you an Oscar. Yeah,

596
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if should we invite seth Okay, So

597
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: you get turned on the wall eyes and so I

598
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: I go, I go to buy a boat. I want

599
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: my own boat now, I want to be I want

600
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: I I'm tired of borrowing my buddies gear. I want

601
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: my own boat. So I transitioned from like stuff that

602
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: you should not be on the water with, you know,

603
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: meaning it's almost like a boat that that some of

604
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: these refugees are coming over from like Costa Rica, Like

605
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: you should not be on Lake Erie on these boats,

606
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a garbage can with it with

607
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: a motor on it or something lake fast and and

608
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: and you know the boats that I transitioned into the

609
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: lake area with is just you know, that's for a

610
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 1: whole new day. But so I go to buy a boat,

611
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: and I bought The first boat I bought was aluminum boat,

612
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: and it was brand new, new motor started every time,

613
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: and that was something if I've made it to the lake,

614
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: fired up the boat, fished and got back. We were

615
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: having a good day no matter what you caught out there.

616
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: My first boats. If we made it like out and

617
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: back without a call to the coast guard, we were

618
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: doing good. So this is a whole new thing. We

619
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: got a brand new boat, new gear, and I'm out there.

620
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: We're just trying to do things, you know, by ourselves.

621
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: And this is around that you know, twelve to fifteen,

622
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: where these fish you're just catching giants. So you know,

623
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: we went out there and I worked, you know, evenings,

624
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: so my cousin and I would fish every single day.

625
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm talking rain, sleet, or shine. If it wasn't blowing

626
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: thirty miles an hour out of the northwest, we were

627
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: out there fishing and we just acted like we knew

628
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: what we were doing. And we started to learn and

629
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: catch these fish, and like charter guys would call, hey,

630
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, how do you guys do today? What are

631
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: you doing? Like they had no clue that we were

632
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: so new at this that they should never even me

633
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: talk into us, but they were asking us for advice,

634
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: and you know, it just transpired into this thing where

635
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: where I just I just love to do it. So

636
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: we started fishing every day, and uh, I got into

637
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: getting a new boat from the boat shop that I

638
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: work at a little bit in and these guys started

639
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: to see me tinkering around with my boat. I'd always

640
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: put something on it. I'd put a new fish finder

641
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: on it, or or I changed it oil in the boat.

642
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: So that's when they started, you know, hey, you want

643
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: to work here a couple of hours a week or whatever. Yes, Sure.

644
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: So I just kind of dabbled myself into the mix

645
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 1: of this fishing industry, like with talking to these charter guys,

646
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: are talking to the guys at the boat shop, and

647
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: an opportunity came about to run a tournament. A the

648
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: people who ran this boat shops tournament um just they

649
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: just didn't want to continue it anymore. They said, we're

650
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: not doing it. And the boat shops like, look, we

651
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: don't want our tournament to go by the wayside. Do

652
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: you want to run it for us? This year was

653
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: a tournament called so it was called the Vix Sports

654
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Center open Um. It was run Vick Sports Centers, the

655
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: boat shop that I worked for, and they just had

656
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: an annual tournament just to have fun. With families. You know,

657
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: they'd give away prizes. If you bought a boat from

658
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: them and you won, you would get prizes. If you

659
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: had your family on board, you would win extra extra prizes.

660
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: So it's just like a for fun thing, not big money. No,

661
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: not big money, you know, a couple of grand whatever. However,

662
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: many tournaments around US are all based on entry fees.

663
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: So if you have fifty boats, you're gonna win a

664
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: lot more money that if you have ten. It's just

665
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: the way it goes. So UM all based on entry fees.

666
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: So I ran this tournament, had no clue what I

667
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: was doing. I knew we had to put fish on

668
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: the scales and at the end of the day tallied up.

669
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a white grease board. We're writing

670
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: the names on there with the weights, and we just

671
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: we just bought thirty pizzas or something that day. We

672
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: just had a little you know fun in the parking lot.

673
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: You know. It was just a grass roots go there,

674
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: catch fish and see who one type thing. But that

675
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: was my first actual like tournament experience as as a

676
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: tournament director. UM I fished a few tournaments myself. We

677
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: did okay, but you know, we currently fished for just

678
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: the Lake Erie. Walleye Trail was not mine, it was

679
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: it was a circuit that we always fished caming up.

680
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: It was the biggest, you know series on Lake Erie.

681
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: But there was only four events at the beginning of

682
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: the year, and I would fish that with a partner

683
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we did, okay, we I think

684
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: the highest I ever finished was like a third or

685
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: fourth place. But but my first tournament directing experience was

686
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: this fixed sports center open got it? What was the

687
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: name of the tournament that the that the infamous occurrence

688
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 1: happened done? So, So that's the lake Erie while Eye Trail.

689
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: It's what I currently so I I could back up

690
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I fished the lake Erie while

691
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: I Trailed with a partner for several years and then

692
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: the guys running that event just had had enough. It's

693
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: it's a lot, you know, so whenever your family dynamic

694
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: changes a little bit, they just they said, we're we're

695
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: done with it. And they were looking for a tournament director.

696
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: So this is a tournament I think someone owns so

697
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 1: it is at that point in time, it was owned

698
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: by a club, so our club had to say so

699
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: and they put it on. So funding was you know,

700
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: probably I would imagine because a bunch of guys throw

701
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: some money in there to get a trailer and some equipment.

702
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: So it was probably not just one person that shelled

703
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: out all this cash. It was a handful of guys

704
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: in the tournament directors or whoever owns a tournament is

705
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: putting some money in their pocket. Yeah, so our tournament

706
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: is like a fifteen percent so um, our tournaments are

707
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: three hundred bucks tournament turned that tournament's cut is about

708
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: forty five dollars. Now that's all expenses, and then you know, home,

709
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: what's three bucks? Entry? Entry feast pays three d bucks yep, yep,

710
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: And the tournament pulls forty five bucks out and the

711
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: rest of its prize money correct. And then obviously you

712
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: have some sponsorship bonuses and things like that. But everybody

713
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: thinks you do make money as a tournament director. You

714
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: do make money, but you're not getting rich by any means.

715
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: You're covering the costs. You know, I have like a

716
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: bunch of a bunch of helpers that help out every day.

717
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: You know, you've got a gas to just get to

718
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: where you're going. All of the things that you provide.

719
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: There's awards in there. Um awards are expensive now, they

720
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: just keep going up and up and up. But all

721
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: of these expenses come out of that forty five bucks too,

722
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, you may walk

723
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: away with five bucks or something in your pocket. That's

724
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: all you're gonna make off tournament, the tournament itself, tournament

725
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: day itself, you're not making money off of. Where you

726
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: can make money is if you get a sponsorship or

727
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: a company that wants you to promote their business. That's

728
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: where the tournament can make money. But the actual like

729
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: cut off of the tournament is very minimal. But as

730
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: the director owner of the tournament, you could sell a

731
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 1: sponsorship package and have all the signage be Bill's boat,

732
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: Marina or whatever. The of course, yeah, yeah, that's that's

733
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: where as a business you can make money in the

734
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: tournament world. It's not the cut off of the entry

735
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: fees because that's that's small. On a full field, you're

736
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: talking like three grand, you know, on a sixty boat field,

737
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about three grand and you've got to cover

738
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: a lot of expenses that day. What what's the most

739
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: you ever made fish and walleye, what's the biggest purse

740
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: you ever landed. I personally, I think we finished fourth

741
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: place in a in a national tournament. I think we

742
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: brought home Maybecks, me and me and my partner, so

743
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: we split it up. It was probably about twelve fifty apiece. Um,

744
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, I personally have never done great. You know,

745
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: if you can't beat them, be the tournament director. I

746
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: guess because the cheaters, what are the cheaters first names? Do?

747
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: I have to say? Chase and Jake? Chase and Jake.

748
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even like saying it. It's

749
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: like taboo Chase and Jake. Uh. You heard as the

750
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: days went on following the story, like the amount of

751
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: money they had won kind of seemed to get to

752
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: a point where I was thinking, really, but you already

753
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: knew that, right, Like you were at least aware of

754
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: them winning all this money. You know what they had, Yeah,

755
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: they had, Like you heard, they had won hundreds of dollars.

756
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: They won hundreds of thousands of dollars fishing walleye so

757
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: on Lake Erie. So the walleye, the Wallyye tournament game

758
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: has changed over the course, I would say even the

759
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: last like five years, maybe seven. But but there's several

760
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: big derby's that we run now um on Lake Erie

761
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: that you can make some serious cash. So, like, so

762
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: I have a tournament right now running. It's called the

763
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: It's called the Walleye Fall Abrawl, and I'm personally our

764
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: tournament is given away five irony. Yeah, the that's on

765
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, we're giving away five hundred and twelve

766
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: or fifteen thousand dollars in cash and prizes to people.

767
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: And it's a thirty five dollar entry. So like the

768
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: game has changed within the last few years to just

769
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: be this mega Well it's thirty five dollar entry, right,

770
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: So what happened? You go ahead, where's the money come from?

771
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: Like sponsorships, um, and stuff like that? Right? So Blaster

772
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: the Blaster Company, for you know, they make like oils

773
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: and degreasers and and and so they they've you know,

774
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: titled this and grabbed ahold of this Fall Fall Brawl

775
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: and the money's there. Ranger Boats Vick Sports Center they're

776
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: putting up the first and second place are both boats

777
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: that are over north of a hundred thousand dollars. So

778
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: you you, as anglers, anybody can join up for thirty

779
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: five bucks. That's amazing. That that's all the commitment to

780
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: extended from a cash perspective, well to throw your hat.

781
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: And some people don't even fish. I mean they sign up,

782
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, their wives, and on the off chance that

783
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: they do come fishing and catch that fish, you know,

784
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: you you have the opportunity of a lifetime. And it

785
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: happened last year. You know a guy in in you know,

786
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: just his you know, small little john boat right out

787
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: of harbor of Cleveland. You could probably throw in a

788
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: rock to where his boat was. You know, he won

789
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: a brand new hunter and dollar ranger boat that you know.

790
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Another guy that finished because of what happened, because he

791
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: just he looked into some toad, just the big one man,

792
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: that's this big fish, Just one big fish, just one

793
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: big fish. And uh a guy off shore last year

794
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: it was either like fifty five or sixty five grand

795
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: that he won for fifth place or six place. I

796
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: can't remember off the top of my head. But that's

797
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: the cool thing about these Derby's is anybody could do it.

798
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: You could show up on a weekend vacation if you're enter,

799
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: if you enter into the tournament, you catch one, it's

800
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: it could potentially be life changing for somebody. But there's

801
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: also like pro style anglers doing these things are no

802
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: So there are, of course there are anybody who fishes

803
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: while I you know, and and they're gonna be around

804
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: eight Lake Erie. They're probably gonna enter, so you do

805
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: have the big name pros. But I can honestly tell

806
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: you that those guys haven't won. There's been some people

807
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: that have cashed the checks and uh a couple of

808
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: years ago a pretty well known charter guy one um

809
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: and this spring another charter guy one that's just you know,

810
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: you up your odds. The more you play the lottery,

811
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: the more chances you have to win the lottery. But

812
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: but the the average Joe's just the average guy that

813
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: goes out and wins one of these things. I think

814
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: it's just cool. It's the best story there is. And

815
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: they just the guy that won last year, his kid

816
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: posted something on Snapchat and the photo just went all

817
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: around our area is you know, here's the Fall Brawl winner,

818
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: and it was it ended up winning, and it was

819
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: just cool as hell because it's just this fish laying

820
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: in the bottom of this tin can boat. And his

821
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: kid called it right off the rip, you know, and

822
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: they would have won a what they would have won

823
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty thousand dollar, hundred twenty thousand dollar

824
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: Ranger four Virado. I mean, I don't know what the

825
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: guy was in, but I know it was a small

826
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: aluminum boat, so, you know, huge upgrade. And this this

827
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: is just this fall Brow is just the big fish,

828
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: just the big fish, not the tournament where these guys

829
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: ended up. So, but the interesting thing about those two

830
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: guys is they weren't like they stuck to these smaller

831
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: like regional tournaments and not like the national tour, which

832
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of struck me as pretty telling about their like,

833
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's yeah, man, because they're gonna get way more

834
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: attention focused on him in a big national walleye tournaments.

835
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. This is probably a million

836
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: dudes just fish small tournaments. Yeah, do you think Chester

837
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: is bad because he fishes? Saying that, I'm saying it

838
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: seems like like like it was a point that was

839
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: made about these guys that they never chose to like

840
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: even though they're doing so well and they never made

841
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: the leap to like the resume would have led one

842
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: to believe that they would have chosen to be which

843
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: you take on that, Jason, So there's a few differences

844
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: the national level tour um here, the National Walleye Tour,

845
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: you fish with somebody on your boat that is not

846
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: your partner. You get what's called a co angler. So you,

847
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: as a co angler would sign up, Hey, there's there's

848
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: a walleye tour coming to Bozeman, Montana. I'm going to

849
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: sign up as a code on the off chance you

850
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: get to fish with some of these great guys that

851
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: you hear, you know, like the Keith Cabias or you know,

852
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: Corey Sprangle. You're like, hey, it's basically an educational charter.

853
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: You heard of those guys Chester, those are the big names. Yeah,

854
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, I've done it myself because it's you want

855
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: to fish with these guys and you get randomly paired

856
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: up with somebody on the national tour here. So I

857
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: don't know that you would have the dynamic to jump

858
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: in that tournament and be able to do well. Now.

859
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: I know they fished in the National Walleye Tour when

860
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: it would come to Lake Erie, but they wouldn't travel

861
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: to go do these events. And then the other national

862
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: tournament that you have is the Master's Walleye Circuit, and

863
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: again they wouldn't travel to those, but they would fish

864
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: it when it would come two hours lake Erie in

865
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: the waters. What's his name is again? I'm not gonna

866
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: forget again. Jake and Chase. You'd be bummed if one

867
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: of their names is Dave, because you like the name Dave.

868
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: Chase and Jake. When did you how long? How long

869
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: have you been hanging? I mean, when did you first

870
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: meet Chase and Jake? So I met at them through

871
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: the boat shop just just fish. I mean you would

872
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: you would fish against these guys. You would talk to

873
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: them at you know, weigh ends, and I would say

874
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: I met him probably I don't know, five, five or

875
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: six years ago, maybe just fishing against them, and um,

876
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: they weren't they weren't alway. I didn't always know them

877
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: as partners. You know, you could fish with other people.

878
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: But but over the past couple of years they that

879
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: they were the team, right, And uh, I would work,

880
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, I work at the shops. So these guys

881
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: would fish. They had they had ranger boats. I would

882
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: work on their boats. I would help them out with this,

883
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: you wrench on their boats. Yeah, yeah, I mean these

884
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 1: guys were in and amongst the crew. They would fish

885
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: my my series. Um, they were always at the shop

886
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: getting stuff done and they would get you know, new

887
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: boats every year. So I was in there either helping

888
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: rig rig asking questions, answering questions, you know, being a

889
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: part of you know, I would say these guys and

890
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: and there, you know, journey through this thing. And they're

891
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: not always fishing my tournaments, they're fishing other tournaments. But

892
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean I've known them for for several years,

893
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: five six years. I've never fished with him, never went

894
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: in a boat with him, never went in a boat

895
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: with them. Did you when did they become uh known

896
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: as winners? Basically since I knew them, they were always

897
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: So We've had several different series on Lake Erie that

898
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: would either you know, put on a few events or

899
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: they've they've kind of come and gone, they've run their course.

900
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: But but they've always won, you know, or been the

901
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: leaders amongst the leaders or the place winners. So you know,

902
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: to say that they were just like just this random

903
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, showed up and started winning thing that you know,

904
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be the case. They've always kind of been

905
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: in the mix. So my theory on it is is,

906
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, they probably are good anglers. I've never been

907
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: in the boat with them, but you've got to be

908
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: able to go and catch some fish to be in

909
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: these tournaments. And who knows, you know, when it changed

910
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: to kind of what it transpired out to be now.

911
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: But I mean they've they've always been fisherman. You know.

912
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: Do you think they were interested in in cash or recognition? Yes, so,

913
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: like it definitely is a recognition thing, um, because if

914
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: you followed them on social media, it's always you know,

915
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: they started their own YouTube channel and they came up

916
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: with with a little nickname and they started their little

917
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: fishing group, Cranking Hogs. Yeah, so if you knew him,

918
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: like going back six years, like how long did it

919
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: take for the rumors to like start swirling around? They've

920
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: always been around so fun fact, the first tournament that

921
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: I ran, the people that did not want to do

922
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: the tournament quit the tournament because of one of these guys.

923
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: Straight up. So this this guy was was fishing on

924
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: an inland lake and they have a a rule that

925
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: you have to be on the wall off the water

926
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: before like seven o'clock the day prior. So you lost me.

927
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: So so to practice fishing for these events, let's say,

928
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: it was on a Saturday or Sunday the day before that.

929
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: You cannot be on the water past seven p i. So,

930
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: so they disqualified him. And because he was scouting too late.

931
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: So there's obviously different stories. But like the story that

932
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: he told me was he was just there. He was

933
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: with like a young guy or whatever, and they were

934
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: taking photos and they were just on the water. Their

935
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: boat was not on the trailer. But they said, listen,

936
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: you're on the water. It's past seven o'clock. We're going

937
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: to disqualify you. But there was always you know, that

938
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: that smoke in the air that that you know, he

939
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: was winning too much. He was cranking hogs for the

940
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: next day. So those guys this is before my time,

941
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: we're obviously looking at him, or at least they were

942
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: there right. Um. So the boat shop that I worked

943
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: for was like, listen, man, you know, this is one

944
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: of our guys. He's running one of our boats, and

945
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: we want, you know, we don't want this tournament to

946
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: go by the wayside because of you know, this guy.

947
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: That's why I started, you know, running the tournaments. That

948
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: one of the guys fishing after fishing after hours on

949
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: a scout day or being on the water after hours

950
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: on a scout day caused someone to abandon the tournament.

951
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: That's like a pretty thinly held conviction. Well so, so

952
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: it just caused a stink, right the group, the group

953
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: that was running these tournaments was like, because he started

954
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: all this drama, you know I'm gonna you know, I

955
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: got disqualified. This is bs and blah blah blah. You know,

956
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: he raised the stink and they're they're like, you know what, men,

957
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: we we just won't. We won't do the tournament for you.

958
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: God got it just like because it was it was

959
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: as you laid out earlier. It's a passion pursuit for

960
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: the director. It's not a giant money maker. And they're like,

961
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: this isn't even fun. Screw it was that. That's exactly it,

962
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: because I can tell you that that had this man,

963
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: we I could just just so much. But they don't

964
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: want the drama. You know who would if you're doing

965
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: this for fun. You're you're putting in all this work.

966
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: If you were making a hundred grand or something, okay,

967
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: you might deal with some headaches, but you're not like

968
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: you're literally like pissing off your wife or taking a

969
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: day away from your kids to make a couple of

970
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: hundred bucks, you know, and it's just not worth it.

971
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: And this club in particular, I believe they're a hundred

972
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,479
Speaker 1: percent club. They do it for the fun of the game.

973
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: So they're like, we're not making anything off this. So

974
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: I mean, of the of the of the entrance fee

975
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: goes to prize money. You got it. You got it.

976
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: And and and these people were just like, look, we

977
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with this, and if you're going

978
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: to cause a stink, we just won't hold the tournament.

979
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: You know, We're just not gonna do it. So so

980
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: I ran the tournament, and uh I ran the tournament.

981
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I want to say maybe maybe sixteen or seventeen,

982
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, So that's how you inherited the tournament. That's

983
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: how I inherited the tournament. And uh, fun funny thing

984
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: is he he won that tournament that I ran in

985
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: and so this was this was he both of them

986
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: or one. So so this this tournament was you could

987
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: not it was more than a one angler or or

988
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: a part in the tournament. So there was a couple

989
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: of people on the boat and these two guys were

990
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: not partnered up at the time. Um, and it, man,

991
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: I tell you it, just it piste people off. Was

992
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: it the one? Was it the one with the stocking

993
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: charge or not? Well, you gotta be more. Uh it

994
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: was it the dude in the video? Jake? No, No,

995
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: that's all so developing a theory? Can I can I

996
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: jump ahead? Yeah? The chance? Is there a chance? Jake

997
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: was shocked to see those metal balls. It was shocked

998
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: to see the lead weights in the fish. So I'm

999
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: gonna get too far ahead of myself. No, no, but

1000
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: but that's that's some meat and potatoes. And I haven't

1001
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: I haven't publicly said this to anybody, and I'm gonna.

1002
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it, and this will be the only

1003
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: time I mentioned their names. Fair deal. So when I

1004
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna inspect these fish, and I grabbed the

1005
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: bag and I had it and I'm kneeling down, Jake said,

1006
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: where's Chase? And he felt alone? And I knew it,

1007
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: and I knew it. I knew it in my gut

1008
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: that something was wrong. I knew he felt alone. Mm

1009
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: hmmmm mmmm. Make of that what you may, dude, that's

1010
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: a bummer. Yeah. Um, So you're trained at police work,

1011
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: to you man, so you pay attention to ship. I

1012
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: just is that just talk to people all the time,

1013
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: and they're probably telling you half bullshit, you know what

1014
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean yeah, but everybody you talk to

1015
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: people all the time, that's half bullshit too. It's just

1016
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: it's just that's just the way it is. When you,

1017
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: like going back to that first tournament when you said

1018
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: like a lot of people were pissed, is they're like

1019
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: like overall like within that angling community, like is it

1020
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: a tight knit group of people? Like yeah? And I

1021
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: mean so there are people that literally quit fishing tournaments

1022
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: because they're like, we can't win. That's how they felt,

1023
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: you know. And um and and I'm and I'm the

1024
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: type of guy that like, I'm not gonna discriminate on

1025
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: you because you're winning, right. I don't know that there's

1026
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: any type of like dishonesty going on. And I can't say, hey, man,

1027
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: you're too good for the game, because if you are

1028
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: that good, that's bad for tournament fishing. Uh. If I

1029
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: block you, and if and if you're if you're you're

1030
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: doing something and I don't have any proof that's bad.

1031
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: Also because I'm just basically just acting willy nilly, So

1032
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: I try to always treat them fairly like I I

1033
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: and in my own buddies, we'll tell me to a fault.

1034
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: I gave them the benefit of the doubt because I

1035
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: had no actual evidence that they were doing anything wrong.

1036
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: You probably no better, mean, but there must be six

1037
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: ways to cheat, right or whatever? Like early on, was

1038
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: there a they must be doing X, Like they're they're

1039
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: catching fish elsewhere and hiding them somewhere, they're putting them

1040
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: in alive. Well, and I don't know, like you know,

1041
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: I mean, like what was the sort of idea that

1042
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: people had in the rumor mill? You name it? Yeah,

1043
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: all of it. And and I've heard, oh, they must

1044
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: be meeting somebody. And then you know, it's not uncommon

1045
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: to catch big fish in Lake Erie, but it's tough

1046
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: to do at this port on this day and catch

1047
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: five of them, right, Most of these guys will go

1048
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: out and they'll catch two or three or you know,

1049
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: or they'll catch five good ones. But you but you

1050
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: hear this, We need the kicker, right, you need that

1051
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: like ten pounder or whatever. That kind of will put

1052
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: you away from the pack, because if you catch five

1053
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: fish on Lake Erie, they're all going to weigh decent, decently,

1054
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, close to one another, but you need those kickers.

1055
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: So it's like were they getting fish from somebody else

1056
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: or were they you know, tampering with the fish or

1057
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: were they catching the fish throughout the week and then

1058
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: keeping them and then you know, get them out of

1059
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: a cooler and way in them. I mean, there's just

1060
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: like so many different ways on Lake Erie to do

1061
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: dishonest things. Catch you know, too many rods in the water.

1062
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: You know who knows you know, So there's always this

1063
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: element of of basically an honor system. But we would

1064
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: combat that, and all of these tournaments generally use like

1065
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: polygraph testing and lie detector testing. Now you're entering into

1066
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: area that I'm very very interested in. I heard before

1067
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: we get to the polygraph, before we get to the polygraph,

1068
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: like I've never been to one of these tournaments or

1069
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: away and is there like standard x Y, I see

1070
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: procedures that the directors are the people who are working

1071
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: the tournament due to like inspect the fish or like

1072
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter if it was a bass tournament or

1073
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: a wallet whatever, like, because there things that are always

1074
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: looking for so for right off the rip, the first

1075
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: thing that you do when you show up in the

1076
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: morning is you drive through a line and we inspect

1077
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: the boats. We inspect your live well. Um sometimes it

1078
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: just depends kind of where we're at time wise, will

1079
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: inspect hatches or coolers, um, but places where you could

1080
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: potentially put a fish, we will inspect that day of well,

1081
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: give you a check in. Nobody gets a pass. Um. Again,

1082
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: it's it's how backed up it is on how fast

1083
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: that goes. There's always people complaining about my boat got

1084
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: tossed and this guy's boat got looked at type thing. Um.

1085
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: But but you just you try and work within the system.

1086
01:03:55,640 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: And I personally think randomized checks are good because you know, Steve,

1087
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: your mot your your boat might get you know, passed

1088
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: by or checked and then your boat might get completely

1089
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: looked at in the coolers and the hatches and where

1090
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: you know. Um, So that's the first thing we do.

1091
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: The second thing we do is everybody leaves at the

1092
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: same time and I call you out. So boat number one,

1093
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: you guys are good to go. They have a boat board,

1094
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: so I know that everybody's leaving at the same time.

1095
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: So they're all fishing within the same hours. So you

1096
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: can't show up at five am, get your boat checked

1097
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: in and then sneak away and go fish and have

1098
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: extra time. So everybody leaves and returns, we check them

1099
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: in as they leave and check them uh and as

1100
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: they return. Obviously that's for safety too. And how many

1101
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: miles might they be? How many miles might they cover

1102
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: in that span of time between check in, between checking

1103
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: out and checking in on the earie could be a lot. Yeah,

1104
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: So so these guys, it's obviously it has to do

1105
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: with the prize money. But but also these guys just

1106
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: don't care if they if I told them that there

1107
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: was a good bite going eighty miles away, if they

1108
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: had enough gas, they would go there. I don't care

1109
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: if they would be negative money at the end net

1110
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: negative money to go and do it. They would do

1111
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: it to win. So the point being on the distances,

1112
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: you're doing what you can, but who knows what the

1113
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: hell people are doing right for those hours right, And

1114
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: that goes back to the is it for the money

1115
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: or the notoriety thing? That's when it's you're going to win.

1116
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: So they'll do whatever it takes to win and fish

1117
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: wherever they need to fish to win. The two how

1118
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: long ago did the um the two anglers Chase and Jake.

1119
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: How long ago do they become like associates where they're

1120
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: actually fishing together. It's either been like two or three

1121
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: years or three or four years. I mean it's not

1122
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: it's it's more recent history than it is, just a

1123
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: long time history. Had they each individ udually developed a

1124
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: reputation on their own, I would no. I would say no, Um,

1125
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: the one guy did, stemming back from the very first

1126
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: tournament that I ever worked. You know what worked, worked

1127
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: and took over because he's been around UM. Like you know,

1128
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: I didn't really know about the other guy until, you know,

1129
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: a couple of years back when they became partners. So

1130
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: maybe explain quickly how this tournament works. Like you had

1131
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: X amount of boats, they go out for the day,

1132
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: they bring back X amount of fish. You weigh um,

1133
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: just so people get a sense of like what happened,

1134
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, so in our world, we we weighed five fish, um,

1135
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: and we we were leaving from Cleveland. This is our

1136
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: championship event. You register, anybody can register, but the teams

1137
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: that fish with us for the season are fishing for

1138
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: team of your points. And this is just this is

1139
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: the championship. It all leads down to this basically. So

1140
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: we leave out of Cleveland. I think we're at about

1141
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: seven am to three. We have an eight hour window

1142
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: they bring back their five best fish. And I always

1143
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: say this boat per boat, per boat, So your team,

1144
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: you can catch as many fish as you want, but

1145
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: we want you to bring back your five best and

1146
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't I notice you don't care if they're dead

1147
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: or alive. So on Lake Erie, UM, first off, while

1148
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: are difficult to keep alive, especially when they're coming out

1149
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: of deep water, and then especially in the summertime, it's

1150
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: just near and possible. And then you throw in the

1151
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: factor of these thirty forty fifty mile runs and two

1152
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: or three ft waves, and it's just they're they're just

1153
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: getting the crap beat out of them. So additionally to that,

1154
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: the division has all tournaments on Lake Erie are harvest tournaments,

1155
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: so the guys keep them or we donate them. UM,

1156
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: so they cannot be released because they want them out

1157
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: of there because just the numbers are really high. The

1158
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: numbers are high, but also they've probably seen in the

1159
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: past the fish not be able to make it. They're

1160
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: just beat up, you know, so you bring back your

1161
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: best five to the scales, we check you back in.

1162
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: You get in line and you weigh your best five fish.

1163
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: You come up there. If you have a big fish,

1164
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: will weigh that first, and then you put all five

1165
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: of your fish up there, and then the team. It's

1166
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: strictly by weight. It's not length, it's it's weight. And

1167
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: if we have a tiebreaker, it's done by your big fish. Um.

1168
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: So then the you know, the teams stack up where

1169
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: they may well. I think this tournament we may have

1170
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 1: had eighty boats. So what's a what's a winning weight for?

1171
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously that varies, but what's like an average

1172
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: like good weight that you guys are bringing in on

1173
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: this particular day. So, like you said, it number one.

1174
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: It varies by location, but also varies by time of

1175
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: the year. So a winning wait for this tournament, it

1176
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: was really tough fishing, um I was. I was thinking

1177
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: somewhere in the high twenty eight pounds. I always get

1178
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: generally pretty close. I'll say, take it'll take thirty three pounds,

1179
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: or it may take forty pounds, or you might say

1180
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: in a couple of years, especially in the springtime, it

1181
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: might take forty five pounds to win, um five nine pounders. Yeah.

1182
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: So one of my my tournament partner last year last

1183
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: year weighed in a forty pound bag in here on

1184
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: and I don't he was almost not not he didn't

1185
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: even get a plaque, but he made a check for

1186
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: forty pounds. And a couple of years back, like sixteen,

1187
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: I waited with a partner back to back days forty

1188
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: two pound bags. We weighed eighty four pounds for the

1189
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: two days and we finished fourth. It's it's nuts. What

1190
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: is Let's just take the let's just take the day

1191
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: of the tournament. We're focused on what was the what

1192
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: was the spread? So on those days when everybody's bringing in,

1193
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: let's say it's a day where forty one wins is

1194
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: second placed, uh forty pounds fourteen ounces. Yeah. So it's

1195
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: when the days that guys do good, generally a lot

1196
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: of guys will do well. And then when the days

1197
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: that guys do bad, a lot of guys will do bad.

1198
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: But you'll still see the people that get into them

1199
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: have pretty consistent weights. So you may have five or

1200
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 1: ten guys within like five pounds, give or take a

1201
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: pound or two here or there, but you're not going

1202
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: to see one guy that comes in with thirty eight

1203
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: pounds and then the rest of the field has twenty five.

1204
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: It's just that that's an extreme outlier. Could happen, sure,

1205
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:55,799
Speaker 1: but generally these guys are good and and there's sixty

1206
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 1: of them, right, so you're not gonna have one person

1207
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: that's just reinvented the wheel for the most are got it?

1208
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: What on the what on this day was what were people?

1209
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 1: What were the bags coming in at? So the last

1210
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: place that we paid down to was tenth place. They

1211
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: were at like sixteen point eight nine. And how much

1212
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: how much cash is tenth place? I don't know, maybe

1213
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: maybe five eight hundred bucks? And then how much cash

1214
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: was first place that day? Eight thousand that's good day

1215
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 1: of fishing plus a boat. Right, so there was no

1216
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: not a not a boat, not a boat, eight thousand,

1217
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: just a check for eight thousand bucks. There's a lot

1218
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: of efficient So there was a lot of contingencies on this.

1219
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: Again it was our last event, but but eight grand

1220
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: was the tournament payout for first place. All right, Here,

1221
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: here's the thing I need to that I've tried to

1222
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: explain to people. They weren't a contender to win the

1223
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: day they were in contender to win the series. Correct,

1224
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: explain that. So for the year, we have several sponsors

1225
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: that pay out what's what we call the Team of

1226
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: the Year. So Anglers will accumulate points throughout the course

1227
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 1: of the season, and we take your best four tournaments

1228
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: plus the championship and gives you the Team of the

1229
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: year the top dogs and um, they were in contention

1230
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: for that. They were in first place leading up to

1231
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: this event for Team of the Year. And that's is

1232
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: that a good chunk of change? That's ten grand, So

1233
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: that's the bonus this Now we're starting to talk about

1234
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: how you're making money in this because eight grand for

1235
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: the tournament, ten grand for the Team of the year,

1236
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: and then we have several other contingencies that we're all

1237
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: going to boil down to this. Would it have been

1238
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,839
Speaker 1: possible to walk away with would it have been possible

1239
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: to walk away with eight teen that day? They had

1240
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 1: they won? Not? I mean theoretically, could someone cap off

1241
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: a win for the day and there's eight and then

1242
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: also had achieved Team of the Year and then they

1243
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: get an additional ten. So I had like seven teams

1244
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: and this all plays in a factor and how this

1245
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: all transpired. But I had seven teams or eight teams

1246
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: that were within points to be able to win the

1247
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 1: championship for the team, and then actually obviously they would

1248
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: have been contenders to win the tournament as well. So

1249
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: the championships weighted heavier, so it's three points as opposed

1250
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: to the general season, which is too. So I had

1251
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: my top seven teams that these guys, had they done

1252
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: well enough, they would have probably one team of the year,

1253
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: depending on how the other teams finished. So I had

1254
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: all that mathematics worked out, and I had it all

1255
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: written down, and and that kind of factors into how

1256
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, But I guess what a mask is. You

1257
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 1: could potentially win both those purses. Oh yeah, absolutely. I

1258
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: didn't know if there's anything to exclude you from winning

1259
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: the ten and the eight. No, And most of these

1260
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: guys that are in the in the mix are good

1261
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: enough to win both. That's you know. They they're consistent

1262
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 1: throughout the year, and they're generally going to be consistent

1263
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: in the championship too. So now in the back of

1264
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: your head is like, like that has a pretty big

1265
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: impact on your year. Yeah, to walk with that kind

1266
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: of cash next time someone yells a you bought fishing

1267
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: too much. Be like, look at this. M hmm. These guys,

1268
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: these guys that do this, they make money. But they

1269
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: I say this all the time. They're pulling into the

1270
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: parking lot with two grand worth of equipment. You know,

1271
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: it's like there's no there's no shortage of money. And

1272
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: these guys are not you know, super wealthy businessmen. They're

1273
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: not all lawyers, they're not all doctors or something. These

1274
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 1: are your salt to the earth carpenters. You know, you're

1275
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: you're paving crews, your concrete workers, your police officers, your firemen.

1276
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: You know, there's businessmen mixed in here. There's real estate,

1277
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: property owners. But these are all aspects of life. So

1278
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: these guys devote their life to this. They care about

1279
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: this stuff, they love doing it. And it's not it's

1280
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: not all about the money. But to walk away with

1281
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 1: the eight thousand or ten thousand dollar check makes a

1282
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, more worth it to them. But

1283
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: it's it's not just strictly based on that money. When

1284
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: I first the first clip I saw from the day

1285
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: it was it was a thirty minute long long clip

1286
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: that's almost filming, and you were and you were waiting.

1287
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: A lot of guys are getting weighed. As a tournament director,

1288
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned this to me on the phone.

1289
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: As a tournament director, in order to enhance the drama,

1290
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: you might schedule out the weights in order to get

1291
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: these these top contenders waded towards the end. Is that accurate? Yeah?

1292
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: So what I did was that I took took all

1293
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: those teams that were in the running for Team of

1294
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: the Year, and I made a sheet for my way guy,

1295
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: my my guy that checks in the fish, and I said, hey,

1296
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: if these guys have a good bag, keep him aside.

1297
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 1: If these guys have a really good bag, keep him aside.

1298
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: If these guys have a decent bag, keep him aside.

1299
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: Because I wanted the build up to be at the end.

1300
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: So if your Team of the Year and you walk up,

1301
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, your third guy on the stage, and you

1302
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: put up a good number, it's just it is what

1303
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: it is, right, Okay, they got you know all right

1304
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: there in there in the lead, but there's no build

1305
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 1: up there just out of curiosity, how many people are

1306
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: hanging around for this like this particular like team championship

1307
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: way in thing, and there was probably I don't know,

1308
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: you don't gather from the first video I saw Europe MCN.

1309
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: But everybody's standing back a little ways and it's not

1310
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: until she is the fan that you go like, oh,

1311
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of people. Yeah, well, these guys all

1312
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: kind of hang back. They hang by their trucks or

1313
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, doing whatever, eating hot dogs, hanging out. But

1314
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: you gotta understand, if there's eight boats two anglers per boat,

1315
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 1: there's hundred sixty you know anglers there, and then you

1316
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: know they may have their wives or kids or just

1317
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: some random fishermen they are coming back for the day

1318
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: they want to hang out, you know. So you start

1319
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: to accumulate a decent crowd towards the end of this thing,

1320
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 1: and um, you know, we try, we try to keep that.

1321
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: It was never like that before. But you know, so

1322
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: we cook, you know, food, and I got my dad

1323
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: out there slinging food on the grill just because I

1324
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: want the people to stay. It's important for not only

1325
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 1: the fishermen, but then you get things like sponsors, and

1326
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: that's how your circuit gets bigger as being to updraw

1327
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: the crowd. So you know, that's that's important to us.

1328
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: When they came up with their bag. It seems that

1329
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: like in the crowd, you can you're already hearing a murmuring,

1330
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: there's guy says, let me see those fish, right, or

1331
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: I hear guys say I caught fish that looked a lot,

1332
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: or caught fish looked just like that in reference to

1333
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: the weight. So when when they came up and your

1334
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: m seeing the event, they're bringing their fish up, did

1335
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: you know something's going on? So I didn't know in

1336
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: a sense of did you know that there was something

1337
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: going on? But but I'll back up a little bit.

1338
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: So I was paying very close attention to the fish

1339
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,560
Speaker 1: in general because I'm trying to make it exciting for

1340
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: the live feed and for the anglers. So the second

1341
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: place team that was running for Team of the Year,

1342
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: they put up a fifth place number. So I knew

1343
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: that these guys that were in first place going into

1344
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: this event needed to be within five spots of them

1345
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: in order to capture the Team of your title based

1346
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: off points. So when I saw them put up a

1347
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: fifth place number, I'm like, Okay, they need to be

1348
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: tenth place or above and they're gonna win. So you

1349
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: actually hear me say it, I'm like, you need sixteen

1350
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: point eight nine pounds. I think that was the number

1351
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, in order to capture

1352
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: the Team of the Year. So when they're putting these

1353
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: fish from the bag to our way basket, I'm like, okay,

1354
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,839
Speaker 1: I'm doing some quick math. I'm like, all right, four pounds.

1355
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: Four pounds, Okay, like they got Probably that's that that

1356
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: real consistent. You're doing that base off just off the

1357
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: scale or off looking at so that that was the

1358
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 1: number they needed was roughly seventeen pounds that day, roughly

1359
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: seventeen pounds to take home the Team of the Year title.

1360
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: And how long did they know that that's what it

1361
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: was going to be. They did not know that, so

1362
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: so you didn't announce it and in an hour went by.

1363
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: So this is part of this is part of like

1364
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 1: the perfect storm, right, And I've heard I'm not out there,

1365
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't one of the guys, but I've heard it was,

1366
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, hey, how did you guys do today? You know,

1367
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 1: And and nobody would tell them, nobody said a word

1368
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: to like how much or how good their day was.

1369
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: So when they got in and I and I told them,

1370
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I want you guys to weigh last.

1371
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: I kept them there. One of my guys got them

1372
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 1: off the boat and kept them in a tank and

1373
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: waited to the end to weigh their fish. So they

1374
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,440
Speaker 1: had no clue how the day was going to transpire,

1375
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: no clue, so, you know, just just knowing that and

1376
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: knowing how this all worked out, it was it was

1377
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: just like the perfect storm that if in fact they

1378
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,879
Speaker 1: put all those weights in the fish, right, because technically

1379
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: nobody's been proven guilty of anything here, if they did that,

1380
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: they did it based off of what they thought they

1381
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: needed for the day, and they thought they somehow we're watching.

1382
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 1: I thought they could somehow watch what was going on

1383
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: and be like, we need sixteen ounces. So it's that's

1384
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: true normally because I put on a live feed and

1385
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: guys can watch and ultimately it takes a long time

1386
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: to get through all of the anglers. But in this

1387
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: perfect storm situation, I wanted them to weigh last because

1388
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: of the drama of the event. So when they got

1389
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: from their boat, I put him in the tank and

1390
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: to keep their fish, you know, healthier or wet, and

1391
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: they couldn't change it. It was from that second my

1392
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: guy went and grabbed him off the boat and brought

1393
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 1: him over the tank. It was locked in that. Those

1394
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: are the fish that they were weighing. They had no

1395
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: access to them, they had no access to them. Well,

1396
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: they kept, they kept, They had the fish the whole time.

1397
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 1: They were in possession of them. But they were there.

1398
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: They couldn't There was nothing that could be changed with them,

1399
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: their visible. The problem for them was everybody did shitty,

1400
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: so they overcompensated a little bit. You got so everybody.

1401
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: So the fishing was tough. Okay, the days leading up

1402
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: to it, we had some northeast winds. Guys weren't able

1403
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: to pre fish and that's essentially practice. So nobody really

1404
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 1: knew how it was going to pan out. But but

1405
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: it sucked for a lot of different boats and the closest,

1406
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,799
Speaker 1: the best boat of the day was twenty eight pounds

1407
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: in some change, whatever it was. They beat them by

1408
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: almost five six pounds. That's a lot. Yeah, an extra

1409
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: extra did they not need? Did they not need the lead?

1410
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: So they would not have won the tournament. They would

1411
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 1: have if if you take out the extras that were

1412
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: in the fish and just wade the fish, they probably

1413
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: would have been somewhere in pound ballpark. I would guess

1414
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: and would have had Angler the Year and would have

1415
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: had Angler of the Year. And with their bag way,

1416
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: I believe thirty three point nine one. So is there right,

1417
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: You're like, well, so, so yeah, I was. As I

1418
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: was saying that, when they're in the tank and they're

1419
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: putting the fish from the bag to the basket, I'm

1420
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: doing quick math in my head and I'm saying, okay,

1421
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: five fish times four or five pounds, you're gonna be

1422
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: in twenty or twenty pound ball. And you're making that

1423
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 1: guess knowing what having looked at you know what basically

1424
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 1: what a fish is gonna weigh. So I I do

1425
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: a pretty good job. It's my It is my job.

1426
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: When you're coming up and I look at my computer

1427
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 1: screen and I see that the big fish number is

1428
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: that like seven point eight, and you got a big

1429
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: tail hanging out of that basket, it's my job to say, oh,

1430
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: here we go. You know, we got one, you know,

1431
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: looking for the big fish of the day, eight point two,

1432
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: We got a new leader. If I'm not doing that,

1433
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: if I'm not doing that, then then our tournament is

1434
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: just the same old turn that everybody else is having.

1435
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: So I owe it to these guys to just be

1436
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, as exciting as possible your ass off in

1437
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 1: the videos. I'm I'm trying, you know, because it's you

1438
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: do a good job. It's awesome. Like these guys are

1439
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: not only fishing my events, but they're my friends. So

1440
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: the question everybody always asked me is like, oh, well

1441
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: aren't you doesn't it suck you're not fishing anymore. I

1442
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: get to be a part of the championship bag every time.

1443
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: So those dudes are high five in each other, they're

1444
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,679
Speaker 1: high five in me. They're grabbing ahold of me, giving

1445
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: me a hug. I mean, it's it's awesome, you know,

1446
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 1: And uh, that's part of it too, So I really

1447
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: want to do a good job at that. Are they

1448
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: weighing the fish one at a time? No, So we

1449
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: weigh in the big fish first, that's one at a time,

1450
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: and then they add the other to make your five

1451
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: fish basket, and then we ate weigh all five. So

1452
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: any so, so Chase and Jake step up. One of

1453
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 1: them stufs up whatever hill and he's gonna put his

1454
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: biggest fish on the scale and you see the read out.

1455
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: Did you think that fish does a weigh that I've

1456
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: ben look at these fish all my life. So people

1457
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: people say when they watch the live feed that that

1458
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: they can't tell. But the wind was just sucked right

1459
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: from my sales man because it was seven nine oh.

1460
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: And there's just zero chance that it was seven nine

1461
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:07,600
Speaker 1: oh because you've been looking at too many fish. You know,

1462
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: eight pound fish are are those fish on lake area that?

1463
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: And they're just a solid, healthy lake erie fish. Now,

1464
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: the class of fish that were coming in was the

1465
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 1: stock five pounders that are on lake area right now.

1466
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 1: You can go out there and if you want to

1467
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: make some some walleye gumbo, you're you're gonna catch. Yeah,

1468
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: the perfect fish to do that with. These were not

1469
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: those eight pounders. And to weigh seven nine oh, you

1470
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: can tell. You can tell by the tail, you could

1471
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: tell by the head, and it just wasn't there man.

1472
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: So I I just the wind was just sucked right

1473
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: from my soul at that time. And I'm what do

1474
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: I do? You know, what do I do? So they

1475
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: put the big fish into the basket and weigh them

1476
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,759
Speaker 1: all and I'm just like thirty three and some change

1477
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: would have almost thirty four pounds. I'm like, no way,

1478
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: And what was the what was the second place at

1479
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: that point in time in some change that's ro off

1480
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: and and they're the similar class of fish or like

1481
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: these fish look like those foot fish, but they're somehow

1482
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: you know, seven pounds eight pounds heavier than everybody else. Right,

1483
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: we know they're like going for the team of the year.

1484
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,560
Speaker 1: Where were they? How are they standing for the individual

1485
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: tournament top dog? They Yeah, they would have won. They

1486
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: would have won by six pounds. They would have for

1487
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: for that particular they would have won the tournament and

1488
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: the Team of the year and walked with eighteen okay

1489
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: without not without the way I'm trying to figure out

1490
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 1: if they were if they got real greedy and they're

1491
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: trying to get both purses. So they did, Yeah, that

1492
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: that was what happened, But they would have been if

1493
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: the fish that they weighed were unaltered, they would have

1494
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: been in the money. And they also would have one

1495
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: Team of the year because they would have been above

1496
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 1: sixteen point. But they wouldn't have won the individual. But

1497
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: they you know, keep in mind, no one knows. Maybe

1498
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: you know that that um the first time they did this. Yeah,

1499
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: so you know what I'm saying, like because in my

1500
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: head I'm like, oh, if they just wouldn't have done it.

1501
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: But I'm like, well, if they wouldn't have done it,

1502
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,839
Speaker 1: they might have never even been in that situation anyways,

1503
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: because it might have been habitual, right, unless it was

1504
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 1: just like yeah, he had to be like was it

1505
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 1: the first time? Did you get caught? The first time?

1506
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that like, not only were there

1507
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: there's big lead weights, but they're like, oh that's not enough,

1508
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 1: I gotta shove some blaze. And the one that the

1509
01:27:54,840 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 1: one that got me was the pair of pliers. So

1510
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: so let's back up to back up to the moment. Yeah, yeah,

1511
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: I want to get to all this stuff. But you

1512
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: haven't touched one of the fish yet. No, okay, So

1513
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 1: he lays it up and you're like, you're like the ky,

1514
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: that's not right. They lay them all up. That's not right. Uh,

1515
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: this all happened very fast. What was so? So give

1516
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: me a play by play. What was the next thing

1517
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 1: you did? He all five around the scale and you're like,

1518
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 1: no way. So yeah, I just I tried to play

1519
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: it off like it was all good, and I said, hey,

1520
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: get some photos. I want you to hang tight because

1521
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: I wanted to look at him. I know, I knew

1522
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: in my gut that just something was wrong and I

1523
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: had to do something, Like I've I'm just in my mind,

1524
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm hearing all the all the anglers throughout the whole

1525
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 1: course of the you know this year and last year,

1526
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 1: you know that you gotta you gotta protest them, you

1527
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: gotta do this, you gotta check those fish, you gotta

1528
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta do something about this because I'm

1529
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm literally losing anglers because they continue to win and

1530
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 1: guys are just like, I'm done with it. What was

1531
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 1: the crowd reaction? They were pissed, and it was it

1532
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: was like silent. It was when you have a team

1533
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 1: that puts up a good number and not one single

1534
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: person in the crowd is happy for him. Exception, I

1535
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: think it was like my buddy's mom there. She was

1536
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: like she's like and he's like, he's like, we're not

1537
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: room for those guys, you know, but but like nobody's happy.

1538
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 1: You know that there's a problem, and and and it

1539
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: all falls back on me because everybody wants me to

1540
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: do something about it. It's not it's not an easy

1541
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: spot to be in, man, No, Like that's tough. This

1542
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: whole year and again, so they were disqualified from an

1543
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: event um last year, the Fall Brawl. I now run it.

1544
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: I did not run it last year. So they were

1545
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: disqualified via the results of this polygraph. And this has

1546
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,560
Speaker 1: nothing to do with when they got disqualified for the

1547
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: late night fishing, nothing to do with it. So there's

1548
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 1: these incidents, right, But I have no first hand knowledge

1549
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 1: as to what took place. And again, you know, could

1550
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: I say I don't want you to fish? That's what

1551
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: everybody wants me to say. But I'm treating these guys

1552
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: as equals because I have no actual knowledge that anything

1553
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: was wrong. I I hear this story. Hey you were

1554
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 1: disqualified from that event, but why did did you not

1555
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: wear your life jacket? Or did you you know, alter

1556
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 1: the fish like to to ultimate ends of the spectrum.

1557
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: You can't get that piece of knowledge. No, is there

1558
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 1: a standard set of questions that are asked in those

1559
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 1: polygraphs or I think it all depends on, you know,

1560
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: the the actual tournament and then the examiner, and then

1561
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's could have been did you drink beer?

1562
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: Of course? Right? Did you ask did you have three

1563
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: rods out? And then realize you add to me rods

1564
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 1: out and pull a rod in or whatever. Right, So

1565
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 1: so that and that's my point, Like, should being disqualified

1566
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: from an event be a life sentence, you know, because

1567
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: I don't know what they did. And I've always maintained

1568
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: this with whoever I talked to, Like, if you did

1569
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: something wrong, that's okay. Everybody will do something wrong at

1570
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 1: some point in time in their life. But if you

1571
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:37,560
Speaker 1: cheat people out of money, screw you like I like

1572
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: I I and I always say, I'll treat this as

1573
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: if it was my money, but it's not my money,

1574
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: it's your money. So if you're treating or cheating people

1575
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: out of money, I have a huge issue with that.

1576
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't want you any part of our events. And

1577
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 1: and I could never say that that is actually what

1578
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: took place. So I so I allow these guys to

1579
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: fish Like my own buddies. I could look show you

1580
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 1: text threads where like my buddies are like, you gotta

1581
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: get these dudes out of here. This is bullshit, and

1582
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm just like, just shut up. I don't have anything

1583
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: to exclude them with, and it wouldn't be right for

1584
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 1: me to do that. I mean, I felt that, you know,

1585
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: and I defended these guys because I had no proof

1586
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: that they did anything wrong, and I'm not going to

1587
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: treat somebody differently because they're doing well. You know. Is

1588
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: there a reason you rely on polygraphs for this kind

1589
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: of stuff rather than something like a random fish inspection,

1590
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: like every every bag that comes up, I'm gonna say

1591
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: one of these fish and kind of feel around and

1592
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: see if anything sketchy. So that would give you one

1593
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 1: verification that somebody didn't cheat in that way on that fish.

1594
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: So first of all, your way five, so you got

1595
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: a one in you know, chance of catching somebody if

1596
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 1: they didn't alter one fish. And then there's so many

1597
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 1: different ways that somebody could do something dishonest at a tournament.

1598
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,600
Speaker 1: Altering the fish, in my opinion, would be like the

1599
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: last one. The first one would be calling your buddy

1600
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 1: and saying, hey man, they're biting over here, get over here,

1601
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: and then you just catch good fish. The next one

1602
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: would be probably using too many rods to catch those fish.

1603
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 1: You know. But I would guess if anybody was doing

1604
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 1: anything wrong on the event, it wouldn't be loading the fish.

1605
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 1: That's a good explanation because i've i've I hadn't thought

1606
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: of that. I kept been like, well, it seems like

1607
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 1: none of this would be an issue if they didn't

1608
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: use magnets or some sort of metal detector of some sort.

1609
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just like it's such a uh you

1610
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: can't control all these other things. It's the it's the

1611
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:46,560
Speaker 1: most like antiquated way to cheating event would be to

1612
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: load of fish. But also at the same time, it's

1613
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: one of those where that's a question on every every

1614
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 1: test did you alter the fish in anyway? And if

1615
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: you're passing those tests, you have to believe that they

1616
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: were doing things honestly, and we have you know, it's

1617
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: the good old boys system with I'm not on your

1618
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: boat with you, but you have these tests and you would,

1619
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, verify the results based on them. So you

1620
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 1: just assume that they're, you know, doing what their job is,

1621
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, uh, you tell them to go hang

1622
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: their fish up for some pictures. Known what happens. They

1623
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: take a few photos and you start hearing the crowd grumbling,

1624
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, and that's when it's like, uh, I'd like

1625
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: to see those fish. Let me see those fish. We

1626
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: had the same fish as those that didn't weigh that

1627
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: whatever I'm paraphrasing, but no, you're you're quoting. That's exactly

1628
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 1: what these guys are saying, you know. I mean, so

1629
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: I say, listen, I want to I want to check

1630
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: those fish, you know, And he's like, oh, this is bullshit.

1631
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: This has got to stop. Are you serious? And I'm like, yeah,

1632
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: I want to check the fish. So I get only

1633
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 1: one of them is there? Yeah? The other guys he

1634
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: headed to the truck the minute you said I'm gonna

1635
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: check those fish. Yeah, because he was doing photos. He

1636
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: was doing photos and then you know, he bounced, um,

1637
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: which should be unusual to bounce in that moment. So

1638
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 1: the weird thing is with these guys. Yeah, so you look,

1639
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,719
Speaker 1: just look at human behavior, right, if you just want something,

1640
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: you're proud of it, like you want to be there,

1641
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 1: you want to be part of that moment, because that's

1642
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: mostly what these guys fish for. You know, you don't.

1643
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 1: You don't go out there and put up a first

1644
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 1: place bag and not even weigh your fish or be

1645
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: up on stage, like who who does that? But that

1646
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 1: was that's how this went down. And you're not even

1647
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: a part of being on the stage. You just one

1648
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: team of the year. You just won first place in

1649
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 1: the tournament and you weren't even on the stage, Like

1650
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: what do you have to do? Know, I mean, so

1651
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: to take the human behavior elements so that you have that.

1652
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: And I say, I want to look at these fish,

1653
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 1: and he's just like he's pissed. He's pissed at me,

1654
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: like I didn't protests. I didn't see that he's protesting

1655
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: the decision, the angle, yeah, the anglers. Like he's pissed

1656
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: at me, like are you kidding me? You know, because

1657
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 1: these guys are always giving me an as sache, like

1658
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: this has got to stop. And I'm like, ah, I

1659
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: want to look at him, you know, and I'm not.

1660
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that I did anything to

1661
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 1: be like a hero, but I was very uncomfortable. I

1662
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:40,639
Speaker 1: didn't want to do this. And and if I'm wrong,

1663
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 1: I am the asshole, you know, if I'm if I'm

1664
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: looking at these fish, and and if I slice that

1665
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 1: fish open and I'm wrong the whole I probably don't

1666
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 1: have a tournament anymore, you know, especially if you did

1667
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: just the one person right exactly. And and so that's

1668
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I'm all always trying to not treat

1669
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 1: these people differently than than the rest of the guys.

1670
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: So I said, I want to look at them. So

1671
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: the first fish I get out and I just looked

1672
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:13,799
Speaker 1: to see the condition of the fish. Is it alive?

1673
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 1: Does it look like we call it, you know, zombies?

1674
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 1: Do they look like a corpse? Because walleyes have color,

1675
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, nice green color. You can sometimes if they're

1676
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 1: on ice, you could see the spots where the ice

1677
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: cubes were sitting. I mean, I'm looking at the fish

1678
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: to see what the condition is and it and it

1679
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 1: and it looked kind of like a zombie, you know.

1680
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: It just it looked like a beat up walleye. So

1681
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: I put that fish in the basket and I pull

1682
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 1: out the second fish out of the bag and the

1683
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: same thing. I'm just like, man, no color looks looks dead.

1684
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, the eyes the tail fish developed ammonia. When

1685
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 1: they're in the live well, their fins get red and

1686
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: you could tell, you know, when they're in a live

1687
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: one they come out of the livel you can see

1688
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 1: that red redness on their gills, on their tail. So

1689
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this and I take my hands and

1690
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 1: I actually like I squeeze the fish because you know,

1691
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to just feel if it was firm, like

1692
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 1: when a fish is on ice or it's or it's fresh,

1693
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: it kind of has like a firmness to it actually,

1694
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: Like so when you eat fish, you like to do

1695
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 1: it out of cold water because they're not mushy or

1696
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,640
Speaker 1: if you freeze, like people fish for croppy and they

1697
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 1: say they get mushy if you put them on ice.

1698
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 1: So I just want to feel the fish. And I

1699
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 1: feel this like hard like ball in the belly of

1700
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 1: this fish, and I'm like, oh my god, Oh my god.

1701
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 1: I knew. I knew. Was it was it subtle? No, No,

1702
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: it just wasn't like a crawdad walleyes are not eating

1703
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: like baby turtles or something, you know. I just I

1704
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 1: knew immediately what had what was going on. I just

1705
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 1: knew it because you match that up with the weight

1706
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 1: of the fish not being consistent with the actual size

1707
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 1: of the fish. So it didn't it didn't meet the

1708
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 1: eyeball test. So then I I touched this thing, and

1709
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. So I didn't have a knife.

1710
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: Here's where your leatherman comes in. The leatherman did not

1711
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: come from within the fish. The leatherman I've heard, okay,

1712
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,719
Speaker 1: I've heard people say multiple people talk about the players,

1713
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: but I never saw players come out of the fish.

1714
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 1: So I didn't know what people are talking about. Yeah,

1715
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 1: so that's just one of those that's one of those

1716
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 1: Internet stories because you see the picture of the fish.

1717
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: So so my buddy gets me this leatherman and he

1718
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:41,720
Speaker 1: hands me this thing and it's got to bust it

1719
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 1: off tip. It's like the most garbage knife that you

1720
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 1: could even imagine. And and you see on the video,

1721
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:52,959
Speaker 1: I swiped this fish like with some pretty serious aggression

1722
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 1: because I was pissed. I knew, you know, I did

1723
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 1: not go searching in the fish for something. I knew

1724
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:00,639
Speaker 1: that there was something in there or that I needed

1725
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: to get out. So I swiped this fish open, and

1726
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 1: I grabbed I grabbed the weight, and I you know,

1727
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 1: obviously this is where the internet caught fire. Raw emotion

1728
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 1: from like my soul comes out because everything that anybody

1729
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 1: had ever said about these guys has now just became

1730
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 1: public knowledge and a hundred percent fact. There was no polygraph.

1731
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: There was no he said, she said, there was no.

1732
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 1: Oh he was on the water later, Oh he met

1733
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:38,600
Speaker 1: up with a different person, or oh, he texted and

1734
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: and or he bought a fish from a charter captain,

1735
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 1: you name it. I've heard all the stories, right, there

1736
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: was no stories. There was weights that I'm yanking out

1737
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 1: of the fish. And that's you know, and that's when

1738
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:54,719
Speaker 1: you hear we got weights and fish. Get the fuck

1739
01:40:54,800 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 1: out of here. Because I I hated what I just

1740
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 1: what I just found out is these guys duped me.

1741
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, they were they were pulling it over on me.

1742
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:11,759
Speaker 1: And this is my event and I was the one fooled.

1743
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 1: And since I allowed it, I allowed some impropriety in

1744
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 1: my event. And it's sickened me, you know, because I

1745
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,640
Speaker 1: care about these dudes, and I've I've said this, but

1746
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 1: like these anglers, they are my dare my boys there.

1747
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 1: You know. They brought me through. So last year I

1748
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 1: had cancer, Okay, I didn't tell anybody. These dudes found out.

1749
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 1: They made a charity event in my honor. Um we

1750
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: raised funds. I was financially stable. We raised funds for

1751
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: somebody else and we continue that now year after year.

1752
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: They cut my grass, they brought me food, they showed

1753
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 1: up at my house. I love these dudes, and and

1754
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 1: these guys took away all those moments, you know, standing

1755
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 1: on stage with your kids and sharing that first place.

1756
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 1: Anybody who's ever taken second place should have taken first.

1757
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:11,879
Speaker 1: Anybody who's ever taken third should have been second. Anybody

1758
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:13,560
Speaker 1: who was out of the money should have had a

1759
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: couple of bucks. They pour their life and soul into

1760
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 1: these events and and and to take not the money

1761
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 1: that time that you can never get back, because there

1762
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: there's that element you don't know. And all of these

1763
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: dudes brought me out of the worst time of my

1764
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 1: life and got me through it. And I care about

1765
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 1: this stuff more than you could even imagine, just because

1766
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 1: of the people who are involved. It's not about making

1767
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred bucks on a weekend. It's not

1768
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 1: about a sponsorship. It's about the dudes that care about

1769
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:47,600
Speaker 1: the sport and care about me. And I want to

1770
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 1: provide the best tournament on lake Erie because it's they

1771
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 1: deserve it. These guys deserve it, and lake Erie deserves it.

1772
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:58,599
Speaker 1: And that's that's what that boiling up, that's what came

1773
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:02,439
Speaker 1: out because you almost at them. Yeah, it was that

1774
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 1: like an umpire throwing you out of the game. I

1775
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:10,640
Speaker 1: thought you your instinct was to give him a haymaker

1776
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,640
Speaker 1: and then instead to the umpire. Sean felt it was

1777
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 1: just umpire from the start. Yeah, but I mean it

1778
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 1: might be a beautiful hybrid of the two. I'm not sure.

1779
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: I think that it's an umpire uh more than a haymaker.

1780
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 1: I never, I never. Yeah, I played baseball for for

1781
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 1: a long time, so that's what came out. Uh. You know,

1782
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 1: I may or may not have been ejected from a

1783
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 1: few games. So you're like, now the tables have turned. Yea, yeah,

1784
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 1: so like these dudes, these do I just they're they're gone.

1785
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: I wanted everybody, everybody to know that they're gone. You know,

1786
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:55,640
Speaker 1: it's just in case nobody saw what happened. Like they

1787
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 1: weren't subtle about it. It wasn't like they slipped a

1788
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: few split shots in there. These are like giant the

1789
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 1: wights and twelve to twelve ounce and in eight out

1790
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: in eight ounce weights is a lot. Yeah, it's a

1791
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 1: lot in that fish, in that fishing, in those strategies.

1792
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 1: Is there a reason to have those weights? No, not

1793
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:24,639
Speaker 1: that heavy. So we would we would typically use two

1794
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 1: ounce sometimes even three ounce weights to essentially we call

1795
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: it snap waiting to get your baits deep um, but

1796
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:36,200
Speaker 1: but no, we there would be no reason to have

1797
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 1: a twelve ounce weight on the boat even. I mean

1798
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 1: some guys will fish with down riggers. But then you're talking,

1799
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, pound weights. What what was up with the

1800
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 1: what was up with the fish filets they had stuffed

1801
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 1: in there. I think the theory that I think is

1802
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 1: that was padding. I think it was just simple. I

1803
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 1: think it was padding, yeah, to like to to help

1804
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 1: the look of a lead ball in the stomach. Yeah,

1805
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 1: it was like the wadding on a musket ball. Were

1806
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: the like was it just inside the body cavity or

1807
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 1: in the stomach like or did it just you cut

1808
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,560
Speaker 1: it open? So yeah, I mean I'm not like a

1809
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 1: surgeon or anything, Like, I'm just wondering how they jammed

1810
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Yeah, I would imagine. So I haven't

1811
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: personally done it, but like I know guys have tried,

1812
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, I don't. We don't even know how

1813
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: you could do this. It's hard to stuff a weight

1814
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:41,719
Speaker 1: down the throat. So, um, you know, I have no idea. Honestly,

1815
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 1: it's like I want to be so far away from

1816
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 1: the situation, but guys have, like they've tried, Like, we

1817
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 1: don't even know how they could do it in the

1818
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: in the video, the what gives it almost like a

1819
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 1: um like a level of emotion on part of the

1820
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: Greek tragedy is the way that Jake hangs his head

1821
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 1: and silently stands there absorbing a massive amount of abuse.

1822
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 1: What uh? When did that end? I don't think it

1823
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 1: ended until they It still hasn't ended. To take a

1824
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 1: look at social media. But when did it be that

1825
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: he How did it come to be that he left

1826
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 1: that circle of like someone's gonna beat his ass? Yeah,

1827
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 1: So there was a guy there that that took control

1828
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 1: of the situation. He's a he's a county sheriff and

1829
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 1: he he said, you know, we gotta we gotta treat

1830
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,080
Speaker 1: this thing as if it's a crime. So he kind

1831
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: of pulled him off to the side, made him hang

1832
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 1: there until some local law enforcement showed up, and and

1833
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, they were still badgering them verbally. But that's

1834
01:46:57,240 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 1: the image of them sitting on the side of the curb. Yeah,

1835
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 1: I think, So, So what what criminal charges will come

1836
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 1: out of this wanton wanton waste? Right? Probably for the

1837
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 1: fish filets would be like one of many. So what

1838
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 1: they've been charged with was unlawful possession of like wild

1839
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 1: game something of that nature or something like that. Well,

1840
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 1: what was the unlawful possession? I think like the fish filets.

1841
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 1: So you can't some lakes like Lake Ontario salmon fishing

1842
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 1: at least at the water. Yeah. So so that may

1843
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:39,440
Speaker 1: have been part of that because they they've also obscured

1844
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 1: the identity of the fish. Maybe it I believe it's

1845
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 1: still had the skin attached. So there's just so many

1846
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 1: rules and regulations and that the division knows by heart

1847
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 1: that I obviously don't. So they were charged with some

1848
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:59,599
Speaker 1: kind of uh possession of those fish filets or doing

1849
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: whatever I did with the fish flace. And then mostly

1850
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: all the other charges were theft related charges um, and

1851
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: uh anything serious Yeah, I mean grand theft over over

1852
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:17,200
Speaker 1: a thousand bucks, you know, felony level. Um. They both

1853
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 1: of them were charged with the same thing, I believe,

1854
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 1: and uh, it's in the court system now. I think

1855
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 1: they actually had they had court recently. So did they

1856
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: seize their equipment and boat and trucks and all that stuff?

1857
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 1: They seized the boat, I know that. Um. I don't

1858
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 1: know if there was any equipment on the boat. UM,

1859
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't believe a truck was sees just the boat

1860
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 1: and maybe whatever equipment was on it, and there was

1861
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 1: a court date. This isn't gonna come to a jury trial, right,

1862
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 1: It's their right to do that. But you know that's there,

1863
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 1: that's their their call. Anytime you get a jury trial,

1864
01:48:55,600 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 1: it's because somebody wants one. You know, what a how

1865
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 1: are they doing? Nobody knows so honestly, I have asked

1866
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 1: a couple of people that know them. So the owner

1867
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 1: of the boat shop a very good friend of mine.

1868
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 1: He obviously sold this guy a dozen boats over the years,

1869
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 1: knows him and uh, you know, considered him a friend.

1870
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: I said, you know, are they okay? Because like, honestly,

1871
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't to take the beating that they took online.

1872
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: It's just tough. I mean, do they deserve some beating, sure,

1873
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:38,840
Speaker 1: but I don't want to see anybody like hurt themselves

1874
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: and and and you know, private life, family life suffer

1875
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,760
Speaker 1: because they've made a mistake. It's just one of those

1876
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 1: things you just don't want to see if if if

1877
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: one of the guys like did something or hurt themselves. Man,

1878
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:55,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's I don't care what you did,

1879
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 1: what mistakes you made that affects a whole lot of

1880
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:01,640
Speaker 1: other people, and I don't want to see that. So

1881
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 1: I did hear that, you know, there's at least one

1882
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 1: of the two guys is struggling a little bit um

1883
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 1: keeping keeping the sanity amongst all the beating, you know,

1884
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 1: and then one of the guys, you know, maybe I

1885
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 1: hear kind of just whatever. So I don't know that

1886
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,640
Speaker 1: to be true. It's just I put feelers out. Did

1887
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 1: they issue any kind of public apology or anything like that. Nope, No, No,

1888
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that you ever will hear

1889
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 1: anything from him. Um, I don't know that they've talked

1890
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 1: to any law enforcement. I don't know if they talked

1891
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:43,519
Speaker 1: to anybody except for whatever attorneys they got. And you

1892
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:45,920
Speaker 1: probably will never hear from him again. I don't know.

1893
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:48,479
Speaker 1: Do you feel that you'll at some point reach out

1894
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 1: to him. I will never reach out to him, um,

1895
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: like morally, like I want to, but I just won't

1896
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 1: do it because I don't want that to be misconstrued

1897
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:05,400
Speaker 1: that I was like trying to harass them. Like let's

1898
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 1: say they don't answer the phone and I and I

1899
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 1: keep calling, I don't I just won't. I just won't

1900
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: do it. You know, as long as they're doing okay,

1901
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 1: or somebody that knows them says they're doing okay, that's

1902
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 1: that's fine. Is your What does this mean for your tournament? Now?

1903
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean you you're gonna forge ahead. You gotta rebrand it.

1904
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 1: Do you expect to be hundreds and hundreds of anglers

1905
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:28,760
Speaker 1: at the next one? Like no one at the next one.

1906
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 1: So I think that we're going to be stronger than

1907
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,839
Speaker 1: we ever were. Two reasons, because some of the guys

1908
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,719
Speaker 1: that did not fish will fish now. I've had people

1909
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 1: from other states reach out to me. Mostly everybody has

1910
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 1: said that, like, we're proud of what you did. Thank

1911
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 1: you for catching people and keeping it honest, because I've

1912
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:57,000
Speaker 1: always branded my tournament with transparency and just honestly, like

1913
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 1: if I screw up, if I screw up something on

1914
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: the roster, you hate me and I didn't get you

1915
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 1: on there, it's my fault, man, I will fix it.

1916
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:07,760
Speaker 1: And and but but I've said I I will not

1917
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 1: stand for somebody stealing from you guys. You know anything

1918
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 1: else we can work through no matter what. And and

1919
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:15,599
Speaker 1: a lot of people like that, A lot of people

1920
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 1: appreciate that, like, I just truly want to do it

1921
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 1: for the right things, and I think it's I think

1922
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna be stronger than ever. You know, I've had

1923
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 1: nothing but positive feedback. Has have more solid accusations emerged,

1924
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 1: like as anyone talked about past winds, you know where

1925
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 1: they're like, well, now that it's a big deal, let

1926
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 1: me tell you what I saw him do one time

1927
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 1: or yes again. Though it's all just like strictly hearsay,

1928
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:53,360
Speaker 1: so you hear all of the stuff about you know,

1929
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 1: I've got text messages, Oh you know this guy tried to,

1930
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, ask me if I had any big fish,

1931
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:02,800
Speaker 1: And that's just all. That's just noise really. But what

1932
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:05,960
Speaker 1: it does do is it makes all of the anglers

1933
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:10,760
Speaker 1: think about times where they had some questions because number one,

1934
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm not at every tournament. I don't run every tournament,

1935
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 1: and number two, I have other things to think about.

1936
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,400
Speaker 1: So if somebody comes up with a fish that might

1937
01:53:18,439 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 1: not look great, it might just be part of the mix.

1938
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 1: You know, if you wait in second and put up

1939
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:25,040
Speaker 1: thirty three pounds, I didn't know that it was an

1940
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:28,679
Speaker 1: outlier until the very end, when you put up thirty

1941
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,040
Speaker 1: three pounds. Now those fish are gone, right. But what

1942
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 1: I mentioned about the perfect storm is I had them

1943
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 1: wait last, not because I thought they were doing anything wrong,

1944
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 1: but because I wanted the drama to be there for

1945
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 1: the event. And when they wait last, and it was

1946
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 1: such an outlier. Now you have all the people saying no, no,

1947
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:50,240
Speaker 1: so you know they're bringing to my attention at this

1948
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 1: time or that time or whatever. It's all there's no

1949
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:55,720
Speaker 1: real way to go back and see what happened. But

1950
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:59,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, everything these guys have ever won is now

1951
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: drawn into question. Do you do you anticipate this having

1952
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:07,599
Speaker 1: any kind of large scale effect on fishing tournaments as

1953
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 1: a whole, like around the country or so? I think

1954
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 1: a couple of things. Yes. Number one, I think it's

1955
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 1: a deterrent in general because nobody, no, no, if you

1956
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 1: were a dude that's got away. We got an idea

1957
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:26,559
Speaker 1: for how to win a tournament, that's not gonna happen.

1958
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 1: Nobody in their right mind wants to become a Halloween costume.

1959
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's just it's I mean, you could you

1960
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 1: the beating these dudes took in our continued. I mean,

1961
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 1: you don't know how badly I wanted to post all

1962
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 1: the photos and stuff people sending me Halloween costumes, and

1963
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like this is just priceless stuff.

1964
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:57,440
Speaker 1: But I can't, you know, I just got to maintain

1965
01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 1: my my you know, stability here. It it's just nobody

1966
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 1: wants that to happen, you know. See in the back

1967
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:05,520
Speaker 1: of my mind, I'm trying to think of how to

1968
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 1: turn this into a musical. And fishing. I love tournament fishing.

1969
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:18,840
Speaker 1: It's fun. It's a group of people. Like you're saying,

1970
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:22,520
Speaker 1: you learn a lot. You're forced to get outside your

1971
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,800
Speaker 1: comfort zone and figure fish out when you may not

1972
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:30,080
Speaker 1: normally do that. But yeah, it's it's hard when you

1973
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 1: know you time all this money to fish and wildlife

1974
01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:38,280
Speaker 1: and people like these guys pull stuff like that. You know.

1975
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:42,240
Speaker 1: It's just so here's the thing, right, we all grew up,

1976
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 1: we played sports and we were competitive in some fashion.

1977
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 1: Well now, and I say I say this all the time.

1978
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:50,840
Speaker 1: We're old, we're fat. You can't go play baseball or

1979
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 1: football because you're gonna you have to go to work

1980
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:57,480
Speaker 1: on Monday, right, So imagine finding that that niche. Some

1981
01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:01,200
Speaker 1: people it's competitive shooting, some people do acts, throwing, whatever,

1982
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,400
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Some people play cornhole, I mean, you

1983
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 1: name it. People find competition as they transition through life. Well,

1984
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:11,280
Speaker 1: for us, it's fishing and and that adrenaline rush at

1985
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 1: the beginning of the morning. Guys got their music playing

1986
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 1: national anthems, rolling, you know, and then you send them

1987
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:17,880
Speaker 1: and you know, you've got a thirty forty mile trip

1988
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:20,960
Speaker 1: and you're going sixty in this boat. It's just the

1989
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:26,400
Speaker 1: adrenaline's pumping, man, So you're jacked up. And then factor

1990
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 1: that in with you just had a kid. You took

1991
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 1: that day away from your kid, right, no matter what,

1992
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 1: whether it's him babylin or possibly saying dada for the

1993
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:38,880
Speaker 1: first time, or maybe maybe it's something else. You know,

1994
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 1: throughout the course of their life, you're taking that away

1995
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 1: from your kid too. So these guys are investing not

1996
01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 1: only time and money, but then life experiences because they

1997
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 1: want that competitive thing back in their life. You need it.

1998
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:51,920
Speaker 1: People are addicted to a lot of things, right, Some

1999
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:55,360
Speaker 1: it's alcohol and whatever and bad stuff. Like we're a

2000
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:59,000
Speaker 1: we're adrenaline junkies, right, You're you're addicted to going out

2001
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:00,920
Speaker 1: in the outdoors and hunting and getting out of your

2002
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 1: comfort level and eating. You know, all this game that

2003
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 1: you find out there, that's what you're addicted to. You know,

2004
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,040
Speaker 1: you might be addicted to waterfowl and you know it

2005
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 1: sounds me like you're passionate about it. Everybody has that. Well,

2006
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 1: for these guys, it's fishing and and this is how

2007
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 1: we do it, you know, this is how we spend

2008
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:20,720
Speaker 1: our time. Yeah, no, I Seth and I did uh

2009
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 1: the Montana Wall Eye circuit this year, and I get

2010
01:57:24,280 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 1: that adrenaline rush. It was, it was so funny. We

2011
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:28,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't do it for the money, you know,

2012
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:32,160
Speaker 1: and most guys don't do it for the money at

2013
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:35,960
Speaker 1: all because there's just not that much money. Why why

2014
01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:38,240
Speaker 1: were you on that day that one day bugging me

2015
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:44,640
Speaker 1: about if I had any big fish? Get out of here.

2016
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:49,080
Speaker 1: The last guy I would call if I was looking

2017
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:55,080
Speaker 1: for a big wallet. By the way, we're we're donating

2018
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:57,960
Speaker 1: all the We didn't win much, but we're donating all

2019
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 1: back to like kid life jackets and whatnot. So a

2020
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:06,200
Speaker 1: lot of my guys do that. In the last event, Um,

2021
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:09,480
Speaker 1: we helped a young man is Is he's struggling with

2022
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:14,680
Speaker 1: with leukemia and uh, a lot of our anglers called

2023
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 1: me privately and said, send my money to the family

2024
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:21,520
Speaker 1: or you know donors. I don't know the number, but

2025
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:24,000
Speaker 1: I bet you this year alone, we've probably given about

2026
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:29,120
Speaker 1: ten grand to just local people. Um that needed some assistance. Um.

2027
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 1: It's just it's what it's all about, you know. It's

2028
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 1: it's nobody's trying, nobody wants any recognition, nobody's trying to

2029
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: be a hero. Chasing Jake sent a lot of that

2030
01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 1: money off to those people. Uh, No, I don't think so,

2031
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:45,720
Speaker 1: but I can't, you know, I don't know that to

2032
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:48,240
Speaker 1: be true. You think if Seth and I showed up

2033
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,600
Speaker 1: at your tournament next year and we pre fish for

2034
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 1: a few days, we'd get our butts kicked because we've

2035
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:57,280
Speaker 1: never fished on Mike here before. So I think that

2036
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 1: two things would happened. Seat. I think that you would

2037
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:08,520
Speaker 1: have a blast and and anything that you needed we would.

2038
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:11,440
Speaker 1: We would assist you with, including a boat if you

2039
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:14,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to drag one across the country. And then

2040
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 1: you would get your ass smeared by these guys. These

2041
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 1: these guys, these guys are good. Dude. That sounds like

2042
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:28,320
Speaker 1: a challenge that you shouldn't turn down. No, I'm I

2043
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:32,400
Speaker 1: don't doubt it, but I would to the big water Chester.

2044
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:37,920
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean I'm a little bit accustomed

2045
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:41,000
Speaker 1: to the you know, being from Wisconsin, great lakes stuff,

2046
01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:44,600
Speaker 1: but never fished Eerie. So I'll say this, and I

2047
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:48,480
Speaker 1: didn't know you were from Wisconsin. But so we call

2048
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:51,720
Speaker 1: them cheese heads. You guys are fishing fools, and in

2049
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:54,600
Speaker 1: the cheese heads always come down and do good. And

2050
01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:57,040
Speaker 1: there's different times of the year where if you want

2051
01:59:57,040 --> 02:00:00,480
Speaker 1: a jig and cast at him, you'll do just fine. Uh.

2052
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:04,280
Speaker 1: John Hoyer just won the National Walleted Tour Championship casting

2053
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:07,920
Speaker 1: up in the weeds, and Uh, it's just you gotta

2054
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 1: know your niche and get after it and make it

2055
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:14,040
Speaker 1: work for you. He's that representative of the sport. That's

2056
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:19,040
Speaker 1: just great, dude, nice to anybody that i've personally, you know,

2057
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 1: anybody has nothing but nice things to say about him.

2058
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 1: And and he called, you know, he reached out after this,

2059
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 1: and he goes, you did a good job. So those

2060
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 1: guys were fishing, Uh, the USA Predator Series, they were

2061
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:36,120
Speaker 1: they were acrossed, uh, overseas somewhere Nova Scotia. Maybe they

2062
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 1: mailed me back a tackle boxing you know, I said, like,

2063
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 1: we got weights and fish and him and Max Wilson

2064
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:47,680
Speaker 1: and uh and um and uh Ryan Buddy and uh

2065
02:00:49,160 --> 02:00:51,760
Speaker 1: who's the last guy? They sent me back this tackle box, man,

2066
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:56,040
Speaker 1: and I'm just dying from their from their their Predator

2067
02:00:56,120 --> 02:00:58,160
Speaker 1: series over you know, because that's when it took place.

2068
02:00:58,200 --> 02:00:59,800
Speaker 1: They were they were getting ready to be over there.

2069
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:01,640
Speaker 1: So emailed me that back that tackle box and I

2070
02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:05,640
Speaker 1: put it up on my wall. Jason Fisher, thanks for

2071
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:09,640
Speaker 1: coming on, man. I appreciate the opportunity. Although I thought

2072
02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:13,040
Speaker 1: it was fake. I thought I was getting catfished, not Wally.

2073
02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:17,080
Speaker 1: So that's real. This is the This is gonna be

2074
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:19,280
Speaker 1: the definitive. I think we'll call the episode we Got

2075
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:27,000
Speaker 1: Weights and Fish the definitive oral history. Yeah, thank you though, Yeah,

2076
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,160
Speaker 1: that's great and I really appreciate you doing it. Let's

2077
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:33,120
Speaker 1: let's make a side bed here. If you if you

2078
02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:37,080
Speaker 1: come up and finish, what do you want to got

2079
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:38,840
Speaker 1: top five or you want to place in the money

2080
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:43,720
Speaker 1: for for your tournament? What's how far down does the

2081
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:46,400
Speaker 1: money go tent So it depends, So we pay out

2082
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:50,160
Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the pool. So you know, if there

2083
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 1: was a hundred guys, we would pay fifteen. Man, we're

2084
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:58,080
Speaker 1: still learning a whole lot. So I would say being

2085
02:01:58,160 --> 02:02:02,200
Speaker 1: in the money, be happy. All right, there's a hundred boats.

2086
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:05,400
Speaker 1: You gotta be eighty five of them by my record.

2087
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:13,120
Speaker 1: How many days you're gonna let me pre fish? I

2088
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:15,040
Speaker 1: got a place to say, I got a boat you

2089
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:17,720
Speaker 1: could use. I got everything you need. Man. The one

2090
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:22,000
Speaker 1: thing I don't want if we do go down is

2091
02:02:22,120 --> 02:02:26,520
Speaker 1: too much help. Does that make sense? Perfect? We won't

2092
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:30,640
Speaker 1: help you at all, like a boat maybe because who

2093
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Speaker 1: knows we might not even have our boat next year.

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Speaker 1: That they that we got um. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I don't want people to

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Speaker 1: be like, oh they he showed up and they told

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Speaker 1: him where to go and how did how to do it? Um?

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Speaker 1: He hadn't been around a while because they said, if

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Speaker 1: you can't beat him, be the tournament director. So me

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Speaker 1: telling you stuff? That's good point, um Chester stop him

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Speaker 1: and han man fish damn tournament. I think I think

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Speaker 1: it would be an awesome time. Man, it would be

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Speaker 1: It would be cool. You know, we don't have to

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Speaker 1: we don't have to side bet on anything. But I

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Speaker 1: think I'm not good at I'm not hunters there you go.

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Speaker 1: I'll make you a side bet any montemony you want,

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Speaker 1: and my bet is going to be that I'll bet

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Speaker 1: just to just to make it fun. I'll bet against

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Speaker 1: you being in the middle mark, So I'll bet the

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Speaker 1: hunter Boats. You're your fifty or less. You're saying, okay,

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Speaker 1: Hunterbucks says, Hunterbucks says, I'll be above fifty. Okay, make

2112
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Speaker 1: a whole shipload of bets. That's what my dad quit smoking.

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Speaker 1: I can't make so many bets. You'd be like, I

2114
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Speaker 1: can't lose. I can't afford to lose the bet that

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Speaker 1: just gonna have a big old pocket full of sinkers.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to come down. We got you set up.

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Speaker 1: If you need something, we're here for you. Guys gotta

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Speaker 1: go fish this tournament. Man, all right, I kind of

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Speaker 1: want to go. I don't want to fish it. When

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Speaker 1: you guys really need to come down, honestly, is in

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Speaker 1: the springtime or the fall, when the fish are just giant.

2122
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Speaker 1: To to go and catch fish, it's fun, you can

2123
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Speaker 1: have a great trip doing it. But the chase that

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Speaker 1: Lake Erie giant is what people come to to Earie four.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what you want to do. Go tournament, Yester, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that sounds like a blast tournament. By see if I

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Speaker 1: can beat that fish that I got last spring out there. No,

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Speaker 1: just imagine, man, this is the longest end of a

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Speaker 1: meat Eater podcast. All my craft. I wish all my

2130
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Speaker 1: craft hosting and trying to just I wish I had

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Speaker 1: my phone. I'd be like, throw your cards on the

2132
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Speaker 1: table right now. You know, Phil, turn the machine off.

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Speaker 1: Jesse is gonna show this ball. I picture Jason fish.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a nice fish. I remember my first

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Speaker 1: walleye and music s