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Speaker 2: I am six forty you're listening to the John Cobel

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Speaker 3: We got a lot to do today.

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Speaker 2: John Cobelt Show on demand on the iHeart app. That's

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Speaker 2: the podcast same as the radio show. With the government

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Speaker 2: shut down, you've probably heard that they don't have any

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Speaker 2: money to pay the air traffic controllers, and some of

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Speaker 2: agents are getting paid either just what you want. Also,

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Speaker 2: people who get STAP benefits as of tomorrow are we're

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Speaker 2: not going to get anymore and SNAP benefits or food stamps.

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Speaker 3: And last year.

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Speaker 2: Forty almost forty two million people got these benefits foodstamps,

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Speaker 2: forty two million, that's like twelve percent of the country

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Speaker 2: and spending totals about one hundred billion. One hundred billion

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Speaker 3: And today there was a.

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Speaker 2: Decision by a judge because the Trump administration says, well,

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Speaker 2: we're cutting off benefits tomorrow because we don't have the money,

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Speaker 2: and we can't use the emergency fund because that's meant

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Speaker 3: Well, a judge disagreed.

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Speaker 2: Today, let's talk to Royal Oaks, ABC News legal analysts

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Speaker 4: Royal Yeah, John. A couple of lawsuits federal court in

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Speaker 4: Massachusetts and Rhode Island about a couple of dozen of

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Speaker 4: to court Massachusetts and then down on Rhode Island. You

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Speaker 4: got a union and some nonprofits and they make the

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Speaker 4: same argument. Look, judge, this is a crisis. It's an emergency.

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Speaker 4: You know, some stuff is mandatory, and we're going to

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Speaker 4: maintain our nuclear bombs. You know, we don't cut that off.

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Speaker 4: We pay for that. Similarly, you know, you've got seniors

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Speaker 4: and the veterans and kids need the food. And both

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Speaker 4: judges said, you're right. It was a double barreled loss

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Speaker 4: for Donald Trump, and he could run to the appeals

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Speaker 4: court and maybe get it reversed. But as of now,

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Speaker 4: based on what happened in the last hour or so,

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Speaker 4: both of the suits have been successful and therefore the

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Speaker 2: And this emergency fund has a five billion dollars in it,

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Speaker 2: and which if they're spending probably eight billion a month,

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Speaker 2: nine billion a month, this emergency fund isn't going to

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Speaker 5: Weeks, that's true.

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Speaker 4: True, Yeah, it's not going to last that long. And

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Speaker 4: it's such a weird inside baseball thing. The rule is

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Speaker 4: that if Congress has to approve money every single year

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Speaker 4: for something, then that's discretionary. And you know, if there

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Speaker 4: is no government, then the money doesn't go. But you'll

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Speaker 4: notice that, like for Social Security and medicare those keep

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Speaker 4: going even though the government's shut down because Congress didn't say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: every year, we're going to say yes to Social Security.

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Speaker 4: That's perpetual. What they do every year is they pay employees.

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Speaker 4: And the Trump administration's position was, we know there are

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Speaker 4: billions lying around for this, but employees, human beings, have

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Speaker 4: it out the door, and we can't pay them, and

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Speaker 4: it's illegal to pay them during the shutdowns. You know,

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Speaker 4: there are two sides to the coin. But the judges felt,

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Speaker 4: you know, lives are in the balance can't get the

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Speaker 2: Regardless of the shutdown, the tax revenue keeps coming in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the money does exist. It's just that we

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Speaker 4: Exactly right. But you know, the whole shutdown thing, as

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Speaker 4: you know, John, I mean, I think it started back

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Speaker 4: since then, it is no matter what's right, it's a

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Speaker 4: matter of which political party is saying, oh, we think

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Speaker 4: You know, which is a croc. I mean, if you

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Speaker 4: can't agree. Well, the kids don't starve, you know, they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't, they don't.

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Speaker 4: They just shut it down.

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Speaker 2: They don't stop going to the grocery store. They don't

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Speaker 4: Dinner, exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this this government shutdown is particularly stupid because the

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Speaker 2: of the spending is is fake spending anyway. It's either

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's just so arbitrary because, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 4: I mean Medicare and social Security that keeps going even

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Speaker 4: every single year, yes we approve of Medicare, Yes we

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Speaker 4: But again, the human beings that have to push the

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Speaker 4: you know, our hands are tied. We just can't do it.

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Speaker 4: But it's just so artificial. It's so arbitrary because you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty clear Trump administration wanted to

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Speaker 2: put on extreme pressure on the Democrats to settle this

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Speaker 2: by creating forty million hungry people.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's right, and you know what everybody's reporting on

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Speaker 4: the fact that Donald Trump, you know, he's globetrotting. He's

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Speaker 4: going to meet machieb over China. He's not exactly acting

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Speaker 4: doesn't exist in his mind. So yeah, I'm guessing that

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Speaker 4: he and his advisors have sat around in the OPAL

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Speaker 4: going to be like the gingrich Clinton thing where everybody

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Speaker 4: you know, people are hurting, people aren't aren't getting food.

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Speaker 4: But again, you know, we're paying the soldiers are still

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Speaker 4: that's mandatory as opposed to discretionary stuff, which Trump said,

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Speaker 2: So how are air traffic controllers and TSA inspectors not mandatory?

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Speaker 3: I mean that to you is only nuts.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy, you know, I mean clearly. I mean you

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Speaker 4: remember back in the Reagan era when like his first

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Speaker 4: lucky do you feel? You know, are you know? Are

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Speaker 4: is there going to be some disastrous some catastrophe? But

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Speaker 4: when it comes to food, you know that that's not

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Speaker 4: like a plane crash, that's just sort of the dribs

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Speaker 4: it isn't that bigger crisis.

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Speaker 2: There are so many traffic controllers calling in sick now,

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Speaker 2: a real paycheck, that but you're playing a roulette game.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, I mean that's public health, public safety right there.

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Speaker 3: All right, very good, thank you, Royal Oaks.

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Speaker 4: Do you bet?

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Speaker 3: All right, Royal Oaks, ABC News.

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Speaker 2: The legal analyst side question here is how did we

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Speaker 2: create such a dependent society that forty two million people

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Speaker 2: all need food stamps? I wonder how much fraud is

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Speaker 2: in this program and how many people ought to be working?

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Speaker 2: Forty two million people is roughly one out of every

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Speaker 2: one out of every eight people. Yeah, yeah, one out

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Speaker 2: And that's the culture. I mean, I've spent no time

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Speaker 2: on food stamps. I don't know anything about it. You

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Speaker 2: But geez, doesn't anybody have the pride to go to work?

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Speaker 3: And I, you know, I don't understand either. Like I hear.

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Speaker 2: I heard today that the superintendent the schools in Los Angeles, Carvallo,

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Speaker 2: He's telling people, Hey, come for dinner, bring your kids,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand. If you're not making enough money to

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Speaker 2: You've got to make better decisions in life. But it's

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm very suspicious. Forty million people on food stamps. That

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Speaker 2: sounds that sounds really absurd. All right, more coming up

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Speaker 2: when we come back. Among the things we're going to

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Speaker 2: cover today is, you know, we got to play that

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Speaker 2: Ashley Zavalla story that we did not yesterday because the

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Speaker 2: hiding from is this billion dollar plus capital annex boondoggle.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's a massive construction project at the

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Speaker 2: state Capitol. It's been going on for years, it's way

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Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM

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Speaker 6: six forty.

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Speaker 2: We had played your report, actually played you a clip

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Speaker 2: of Ashley Zavalla asking Gavin Newsom and Rob Bonta if

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Speaker 2: it's appropriate for legislators to be hiding all the information

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Speaker 2: about the cost of the Capital Annex project in Sacramento.

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Speaker 2: And you're probably saying, I don't know anything about this. Well,

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Speaker 2: we played this clip earlier in the week. Ashley Zavala

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Speaker 2: is a reporter for Channel three KCRA and Sacramento, and

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Speaker 2: I swear to you she is the only reporter covering

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Speaker 2: Sacramento and all the terrible things going on there, the

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Speaker 2: only one, and she's doing award winning work, a one

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Speaker 2: woman steamroller. And in Newsom actually inadvertently brought attention to

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Speaker 2: this boondoggle. It's costing over a billion dollars, it has

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Speaker 2: been going on for seven years. It's already more than

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Speaker 2: double the original estimate. This sounds like another version of

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Speaker 7: I want to first acknowledge that neither one of you

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Speaker 8: In twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 4: Mister Governor, the part of.

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Speaker 7: General Services that you oversee is part of it.

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Speaker 8: It has been three years since the legislature updated the

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Speaker 8: could probably oversee it. You've see the construction is happening,

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Speaker 7: They are continuing to withhold public records.

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Speaker 9: I have asked for an interview for more than.

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Speaker 7: I mean, is that is that appropriate?

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Speaker 8: On a on a one of the most expensive buildings

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Speaker 10: Of this stay.

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Speaker 5: You're my attorney, by the way, I don't think that's appropriate.

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Speaker 5: This should providing the information period full stop.

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Speaker 11: But for you to conflate or compare and contrast is

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Speaker 5: Appropriate. They should provide you the information period, full stop.

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Speaker 11: But for you to conflate or compare a contrast is

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Speaker 5: And the process and that he had evolved in.

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Speaker 10: The fact that they should seven million dollars under curious

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Speaker 10: to do. And I'm not trying to defend those actions,

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Speaker 10: but absolutely they should provide me.

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Speaker 5: You might just balance.

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Speaker 10: Though?

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Speaker 3: I mean truly for the public to not.

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Speaker 5: Know how they should know?

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Speaker 10: That's what I said, they should, you should that information whisper.

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Speaker 10: I agree it's inappropriate. Think, by the way, I didn't

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Speaker 5: They're on recess. I'll check in with them, let me know.

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Speaker 10: I'm happy to happy to help you try to get

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Speaker 5: You absolutely deserve that. So, yes, it's inappropriate.

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Speaker 10: Yes you deserve that information, and yes we're happy to

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: He talks to her like she's somebody out of control

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Speaker 2: and then to treat you with condescension. Now, now, hysterical woman,

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Speaker 2: don't you know your place? I'm now going to play

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Speaker 2: you the story that she's done this week on Gavin

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Speaker 2: Newsom's role in the Capital Annex project. Because he's been

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Speaker 10: If I've talked with the legislative leaders, I'm going to

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Speaker 12: Governor Gavin Newsom this week promising to push for transparency

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Speaker 12: has been years since state lawmakers have provided an estimated

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Speaker 5: I mean truly for the public to not know how

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Speaker 10: That's what I said, they should. You should at that information.

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Speaker 10: I agree it's inappropriate. Thank by the way, I didn't

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Speaker 5: They're on recess. I'll check in with them. Let me know.

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Speaker 5: I'm happy to happy to help.

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Speaker 10: You try to get access to members of the California

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Speaker 12: California's legislature is leading the project, but Governor Newsom's office

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Speaker 12: Documents from twenty eighteen show when the project was established,

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Speaker 12: they also created a three member executive committee that's expected

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Speaker 12: project on it Assembly Member Blanca Paateco, State Senator John Laird,

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Speaker 12: Documents provided through a legislative Open Records Act request to

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Speaker 5: Well, I, as a taxpayer, would also.

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Speaker 12: Lurie Stetson was a member of the Public Accountability for

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Speaker 1: Those three people made key decisions on the Capitol. More importantly,

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Speaker 5: To the public.

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Speaker 12: Does the governor truly not know the estimated cost of

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Speaker 9: It's not clear.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the governor would or not his

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Speaker 3: Heard back from five years.

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Speaker 12: I also reached out to the governor's office for comment

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Speaker 12: in this function end quote. We should note we don't

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Speaker 12: facing significant budget shortfalls. They have been strapped on cash,

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Speaker 12: so that's why we're asking.

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Speaker 13: So what happened when you did ask when they last met?

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Speaker 5: What was the answer to them?

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Speaker 13: Right?

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Speaker 12: The Joint Rules Committee, which I have been talking to today,

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Speaker 12: Executive Committee was designed to ensure collaboration and transparency. Despite

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Speaker 13: If it wasn't an issue of secrecy, we would know

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's not tricky exactly. Yeah, yes, d questions.

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Speaker 2: We are Channel three up in Sacramento, kcr ATV. That's

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Speaker 3: Huh. You don't say anything like this on the LA

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Speaker 2: Ever seen a conversation like that. We've got more on

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Speaker 2: this because this is a at least a one point

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Speaker 2: two billion dollar scandal. Because Ashley Zavala had a story

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Speaker 2: when we return. What is this being used for because

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Speaker 2: the headline in last year's story this capital annex project

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Speaker 3: Tell you more when we come back.

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Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI Am

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Speaker 3: 'or on every day from one to till four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: After four o'clock John Cobelt's show on demand on the

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Speaker 3: We're getting closer and closer to our.

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Speaker 2: Big gas price catastrophe in California. There's two oil refineries

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Speaker 2: closing soon. Gavin Newsom is suddenly doing a eighty on

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Speaker 2: some of his anti oil company, anti oil and gas

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Speaker 2: producing enough oil to meet our needs. In fact, the

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Speaker 2: keep the pressure going. It's a serious, it's a severe situation,

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Speaker 2: and we've been telling you about it for months. We're

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Speaker 2: So we we're in deep trouble here. And Newsom was

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Speaker 2: it's because of the excessive taxes, the excessive regulation. The

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Speaker 2: Now let me continue here. We've been playing you reports

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Speaker 2: by Ashley Zavalla, who tried to corner Gavin Newsom at

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Speaker 2: bloviating on Trump's ballroom, which is financed by private funds. However,

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Speaker 2: Newsom has another boondoggle called the Capital Annex project. It's

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Speaker 2: one point two billion dollars. It's an add on to

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Speaker 2: the state capitol. It was supposed to cost five hundred

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Speaker 2: plus million. Now it's one point two billion. It was

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Speaker 2: originally announced in twenty eighteen. The last time they gave

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Speaker 2: us an update was twenty twenty one. It's now twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five. And listen to this. Newsom and the legislature

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Speaker 2: had two thousand people signed nondisclosure agreements so that no

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Speaker 2: details would be leaked to the public.

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Speaker 3: This is our tax money.

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Speaker 2: They're spending our tax money, and no one's allowed to

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Speaker 2: speak about it. You heard nationally Zavalla's report from Channel

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Speaker 2: three and Sacramento that there's this three person committee that's

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Speaker 2: overseeing the product that's supposed to report beck to news

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Speaker 2: Newsom was pretending this week that he didn't know much

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Speaker 2: about it. Another lie. It's his guy on the committee,

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Speaker 2: so he does know about it. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: it should be illegal to have state employees signing non

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Speaker 2: disclosure agreements so the public and the media can't learn

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Speaker 2: about a massive boondoggle which they're trying to cover up.

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Speaker 2: They're years late. There are half a billion dollars, more

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Speaker 2: than a half a billion dollars over budget, and everybody

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Speaker 2: has signed a deal that they can't legally speak. This

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Speaker 2: is wrong, and Newsom is lying that he doesn't know

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Speaker 2: anything about it. Let me read you from a story

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Speaker 2: Ashley Zavalla did for KCRTV last year. This was from April, well,

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Speaker 2: actually was earlier this year, April twenty twenty five. She

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Speaker 2: had written, within the next few years, this build things

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Speaker 2: go to house the states one hundred and twenty lawmakers,

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Speaker 2: the governor, the Lieutenant governor, and staff. So this is

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Speaker 2: the office building that Newsom is going to be working

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Speaker 2: out of his office for as long as he's governor.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be committee hearing rooms, a parking.

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Speaker 2: Garage, a visitor center, beefed up security, private hallways for

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Speaker 2: lawmakers so they can avoid the public and the media.

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Speaker 3: Now, this is the killer.

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Speaker 2: According to Zavala's report, the price tag is similar to

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Speaker 2: an NFL stadium like Levi Stadium in Santa Clara where

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Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers play. It's a sixty eight thousand

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Speaker 2: seat stadium was built for one point three billion dollars

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Speaker 2: ten years ago, and now you have this office building

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Speaker 2: going for almost the same amount of money.

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Speaker 3: Here's another comparison.

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Speaker 2: The NBA stated him in Sacramento, where the Kings played,

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Speaker 2: The Golden One Center holds nineteen thousand and cost five

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty eight million. There's been six months of

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Speaker 2: litigation against the Capitol Annex project.

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Speaker 3: That litigation is over, but the.

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Speaker 2: Legislature still won't explain what this, why this project is

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Speaker 2: so delayed, and why it's so far over budget.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's allowed to speak.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand non disclosure agreements, which knew some new about

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Speaker 2: you see his song and dad. He has so many

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Speaker 2: different ways of lying and deceiving. He did this song

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Speaker 2: and dance act Ashley Zavalla where I didn't know anything

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Speaker 2: about it. He didn't want to talk about it because

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Speaker 2: at first he looked at Bonta and Bunta looked back

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Speaker 2: at him and they both kind of sighed and grimaced.

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Speaker 3: And they know.

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Speaker 2: Most public, the public and most lawmakers have been kept

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Speaker 2: in the dark about the project. So even a lot

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Speaker 2: of legislators don't know what this is about. So this

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Speaker 2: is a huge, wasteful boondoggle and they are not reporting

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Speaker 2: back to the taxpayers. Newsome is actively covering this up.

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Speaker 2: Another scandal, another huge waste of money, a billion two

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Speaker 2: in county and nobody knew about it and nobody covered

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Speaker 2: it except one reporter, Ashley Zavalla at Channel three and Sacramento.

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Speaker 2: But she'll keep on top of it and we'll relay

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Speaker 2: anything that she finds, because you know what this story is.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand people, what's the secret. It's a building. It's

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Speaker 2: an office building. Two thousand people have to sign non

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Speaker 2: disclosure agreements.

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Speaker 3: Boy, that stinks.

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Speaker 6: More Coming up, you're listening to John Cobels on demand

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Speaker 6: from Key.

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Speaker 2: Coming up after two o'clock, we're gonna have USC professor

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Speaker 2: Michael Msche. We're gonna have Berkeley professor James Rector, and

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Speaker 2: they're gonna tell us about the upcoming oil and gas

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Speaker 2: price catastrophe. Ya yai, because we've got two refineries closing

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Speaker 2: and our major North South oil pipeline may be shut

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Speaker 2: down because of a lack of oil, and this is

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Speaker 2: could bring us eight dollars a gallon. We've been telling

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Speaker 2: you about this for a while. We'll talk with two

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Speaker 2: professors on how this is going to happen. And that's

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Speaker 2: right after two o'clock. All right, I have animal news.

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Speaker 2: You're always you have to be careful here. You're always

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Speaker 2: cheering on these animal rights activists who break in to

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Speaker 2: private property and release animals. Yeah, you know, like you know,

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Speaker 2: chickens and I forgot els. We've done a number of

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Speaker 2: these stories. But you know, animals that are held captive

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Speaker 2: for one reason or another and then they break in

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Speaker 2: out One animal rights activist, she's also a UC Berkeley student,

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Speaker 2: convicted Wednesday after releasing four chickens from a Sonoma County

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Speaker 2: poultry facility.

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Speaker 9: Okay, she's wrong with that.

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Speaker 3: She called it a rescue mission. Yeah, but the owner

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Speaker 3: of the.

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Speaker 2: Farm said it was theft, and she faced She's found

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Speaker 2: guilty felony charge of conspiracy. What were the conditions, Two

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Speaker 2: misdemeanor counts of trespass, one count of tampering with the vehicle.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three years old Zoey Rosenberg. She faces a possible

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Speaker 2: sentence of up to five years.

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Speaker 3: Oh, come on, five years for stealing four chickens.

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Speaker 9: Okay, I'm sure they were in deplorable conditions.

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Speaker 3: Are you defending this crime?

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Speaker 4: Here?

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Speaker 3: These felonies.

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Speaker 9: I take the fifth.

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Speaker 3: Your chicken. That's a good one. Uh. And she's still

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Speaker 3: urging animal rights orders to carry on.

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Speaker 9: You know, John, so many of these animals, really, they.

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Speaker 3: Taste good when you cook them.

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Speaker 9: I forget it, I forgot who I was talking to. No,

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Speaker 9: go ahead, Sorry, In terrible conditions. They're in cages, they're

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Speaker 9: they're all smooshed together, and they're not treated well. Well,

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Speaker 9: of course, hey, you love animals, and I'm not talking

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Speaker 9: about eating them to.

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Speaker 3: A limited animals to a limited extent.

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Speaker 9: Do you want them treated poorly?

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Speaker 3: No, but I'm not gonna eat I'm not gonna eat

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Speaker 3: my cat chickens.

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Speaker 9: Okay, but chickens they have brains, they have feelings, they

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Speaker 9: have heart.

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Speaker 3: Brains are pretty tiny, they still feel You ever talk

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Speaker 3: to a chicken?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: Have you?

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Speaker 3: I had chicken wings for lunch.

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Speaker 9: Have you ever spoken to a chicken?

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Speaker 2: It says, uh, well once, but yeah, it was a

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Speaker 2: Friday night. Industry officials say that Rosenbird harassed workers and

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Speaker 2: poultry companies trying to get attention for their cause, and

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Speaker 2: she planned for weeks. It was to Purdue Farms Petaluma

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Speaker 2: poultry plant, and she removed four chickens. Wow, this was

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Speaker 2: pretty complicated. She used disguises, fake employee uniforms, tracking devices,

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Speaker 2: rented vehicles, and an Airbnb safe house.

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Speaker 3: They brought the chickens to a safehouse.

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Speaker 9: I love that.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: It went before a jury, and a jury said guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I see that. I I do believe it

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Speaker 9: or not. I see the other side of it.

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Speaker 3: But here, well, it's private property. I know that the business.

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Speaker 2: They're in the business of raising chickens just to kill

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Speaker 2: them so I could eat them.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the whole point.

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Speaker 9: Have a bigger problem here.

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Speaker 2: These chickens wouldn't born except because unless because they were

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Speaker 2: created for food.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well maybe we need to stop that. There are

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Speaker 9: so many other food products that you can eat, you

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Speaker 9: don't I mean, come on, look, I know and your people,

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Speaker 9: I know they don't agree with me.

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Speaker 3: I see your lunch every day.

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Speaker 9: Okay, right, and it's it's not dead animals.

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Speaker 2: Prosecutor said Rosenberg. I was involved with direct Action Everywhere.

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Speaker 2: That was the group. According to its website, direct Action

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Speaker 2: Everywhere rejects the speciism. Do you ever hear this term

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Speaker 2: no speciism? In other words, we consider our species to

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Speaker 2: be superior to the chicken species, and our specism enables

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Speaker 2: the mask torture and killing of non human animals.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, I buy that.

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Speaker 3: Well we are, we are superior, I know.

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Speaker 9: But again, why do we need to murder defenseless animals?

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Speaker 2: If you know, if they had anything going for them,

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Speaker 2: they'd be killing us, probably eating us. So now she

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Speaker 2: I hope she gets the I doubt you think she's

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Speaker 2: going to really get five years.

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Speaker 9: I hope not. You hope she does. She's just trying

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Speaker 9: to Oh yeah, some defenseless chicken.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well somebody's got to pay for this and stop

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Speaker 3: all this.

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Speaker 9: Okay, then somebody can pay for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she should get five per chicken.

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Speaker 2: It looks like she's only getting one per chicken, maybe

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Speaker 2: fifteen months of chicken.

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Speaker 9: This is giving me a headache.

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Speaker 3: All right, we come back.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to James Rector, Michael Mache, two

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Speaker 2: professors from Berkeley and USC.

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Speaker 3: Here. It comes soon.

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Speaker 2: Eight dollars gas because they're clothes, and oil refineries, gas

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Speaker 2: refineries because they Newsome's ridiculous taxes and regulations. I hope

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Speaker 2: you enjoy life next year. Devra Mark is live in

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