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Speaker 1: Part two of the Pack twelve Apostles Come Back episode

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Speaker 1: if you will, Um, we've already dealt with four weekend

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Speaker 1: until the Pack twelve is back. How other conferences are

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Speaker 1: helping to Pack twelve and how we love these conference

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Speaker 1: only schedules and the nine a m kickoff for USC

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Speaker 1: and a s U is it better than the eight

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Speaker 1: pm games? U TAH loses a big time player. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna cover that and so much more. He's Ralph Hampton,

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Speaker 1: I'm George Reiser, and this is the PAC twelve Apostles.

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Speaker 1: If this is your first episode, this is the podcast

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Speaker 1: Bipack twelve people four Pack twelve people who want to

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Speaker 1: know the real and get the insight and some breakdown

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Speaker 1: of things happening within the conference that you might not

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Speaker 1: hear from other places who are gonna try to sugarcoat

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Speaker 1: it or not give you, you know, some detailed insight

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Speaker 1: on it. And so we appreciate your time, appreciate your energy.

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Speaker 1: Please make sure you leave a five star rating wherever

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Speaker 1: think we should have and if you want to get

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Speaker 1: ahold of us. I'm mad at Unafraid show dot com

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Speaker 1: or at Ralph Amsden for him, at George Ricester for me,

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Speaker 1: and at Pack twelve Apostles for the both of us.

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Speaker 1: So I guess we'll pick up kind of where we

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Speaker 1: left off. After we were talking about the reviews and

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Um, I wanted to go back

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Speaker 1: have loved these ralphs. I have absolutely loved them. Because

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Speaker 1: there's nowhere for the UH, for the a c C

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Speaker 1: they actually have to face each other. You actually get

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Speaker 1: of just you know, waiting ten years for that to

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Speaker 1: happen or it only happened in it in the SEC Championship.

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Speaker 1: You can't protect your best teams, but it's easy to

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Speaker 1: do when you have a fourteen team conference. Same thing

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Speaker 1: So yes, I would like to see that continue. But

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Speaker 1: I want for the UH non conference games, for them

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Speaker 1: to schedule to power five non conference games. Everybody play

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Speaker 1: and I am a okay with that, give the little

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Speaker 1: whatever it is that you want to do. I am

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Speaker 1: all in on that. How about your Ralph? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel like my approach would be even more radical. UM.

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Speaker 1: I would like every major conference to be twelve teams,

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Speaker 1: So if there's a way to get that figured out,

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Speaker 1: make it a group of five games. Uh. And then

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Speaker 1: what I would do from there is you would play

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Speaker 1: with that eight team playoff, George, I would guarantee that

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Speaker 1: to do it on there, which was told to me

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Speaker 1: from coaches who have stopped it multiple times while he

433
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: was at Washington State. So he gets down there, goes

434
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: throws for uh. He takes kJ Costello from Stanford with him,

435
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: throws for six hundred twenty three yards and everybody's like,

436
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: oh yeah. Next week comes back fourteen points against Arkansas

437
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: and they lost, and they lost twenty straight games to

438
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: SEC opponents. Yep, who is trash? They are the Oregon

439
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: State of the U of the SEC. They yes, they

440
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: have some good years, some sometimes and they're trying to

441
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: come up just like Oregon State here and so I

442
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: don't want it to seem like a disk. It's just

443
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: the truth and um and then you have oh and

444
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: then they just didn't even score a point offensively. They're

445
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: only points came off of a safety. Then we scored

446
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: two points against Kentucky against Kentucky. And mind you, the

447
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: SEC teams have been given up points like they're in

448
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: the Big twelve. I mean it's inside like the SEC

449
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: has been giving up I mean, everybody's been making it

450
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: rain every single week on the scoreboard, busting the clock.

451
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: And Mike Leakes only gets two points, they throw six interceptions.

452
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: And what did he have to say after the game, Ralph, Well,

453
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Speaker 1: I mean just understand this in the spirit of you know,

454
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: people used to listen to us talk about how Mike

455
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: Leach never takes accountability for anything. You know, he trashed

456
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: the state of California for having dirty beaches and homelessness

457
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: problems when he also has to recruit the State of

458
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: California didn't think about how that backfire on him, got

459
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: upset with reporters who asked why he always loses the

460
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: Apple Cup and basically said, just look at the players

461
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: and look at the recruiting ran kings. So he dumps

462
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: on his own players without taking accountability for the ability

463
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: to even get players in, and then he jumps to

464
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: the SEC because he in what is basically a comment

465
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: on the level of talent that he has at the

466
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: police right, so he repeatedly, I mean he he is

467
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: still publicly feuding with Texas Tech over his refusal to

468
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: take any accountability for anything that went on there. He's

469
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: still trying to get money from them. So this is

470
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: just a longstanding pattern of behavior for him and his contents.

471
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: After the game, he said a few things, um, and

472
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: and I'll let our listeners decide whether or not I'm

473
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: being fair to him. Um. But he said, uh, you know,

474
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: first of all, uh, he said, we're gonna have to

475
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: check some of our group and figure out who really

476
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: wants to play here, because any malcontents, we're gonna have

477
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: to purge a couple of those. So right away he's

478
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: talking about trying to get kids out of the program

479
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: because it's that the only reason that they would not

480
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: score is if players are not buying in UM and

481
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: then he says, uh, you know he he argued to

482
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: get kJ Costello to transfer out there, and then kJ

483
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: Costello broken sec record and he's already talking about not

484
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: starting him next week. So he said, we're gonna have

485
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: to go back and take a look and see if

486
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: he's worthy of being the starter UM and then uh.

487
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: When when asked about the idea of purging the roster,

488
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: he said, I think it happens every time you take

489
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: over a new program. We do have a few fence

490
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: riders that are trying to decide if they're going to

491
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: commit or not commit to what everybody's doing here. Anytime

492
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: there's a transition, there's a number of guys and I've

493
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: been through a number of these transitions, who are going

494
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: to do the weight and see thing. Well I'll see

495
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: if I like what I see, well, that's too bad.

496
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: The train rolls on. They need to jump on board

497
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: pretty quickly or the train's gonna roll on without them.

498
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: So I just want to stop George, and I want

499
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: to ask you the question of if he says that

500
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: every time he transitions to a no program, there's a

501
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: bunch of people who don't buy in. What's the common

502
00:30:53,480 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: denominator there, It's you. It's you. Because coaches teams take

503
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: on the personality of their coaches. And this is the

504
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: same dude that tried to say that social media was bad.

505
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: Last year's team wasn't focus there. They were fat, dumb, slow,

506
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: and lazy and entitled. He kicked his whole team off

507
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 1: social media because he couldn't stop himself from being on

508
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: social media exactly. And then here's here's my favorite quote. Right, um,

509
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: so you would you you want to hear the word I.

510
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: You want to hear some accountability here because he's the

511
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: head coach. Here's what he said instead, offensively, we're not

512
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: coaching very well right now. We have to coach better.

513
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: If you look at this game, nearly every problem that

514
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: we have was self inflicted. With a lot of respect

515
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: to Kentucky, but one self inflicted wound after the next.

516
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: I've been in plenty of games where we didn't drop

517
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: any balls. I don't know how many balls we dropped,

518
00:31:54,360 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: but I lost count. At least he's trying to use

519
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: accountability words. Yeah, but you would recognize if he was

520
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: taking accountability, he would have said, I'm not coaching very well,

521
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: right now, I have to coach better. The only time

522
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: he used I was to say, I don't know how

523
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: many balls we dropped? Okay, So how long do you

524
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: think he lasts in the SEC? I don't know. I

525
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: think this is a Mulligan year, but I think he

526
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: They're going to have to be competitive out of the

527
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: gate next year. They can't have games where they don't score,

528
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: especially not when you were brought here to score points. Yeah,

529
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: so I don't think it matters what happens this year.

530
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: I think next year is what really matters. They're not

531
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna they're this is a Mulligan year for everybody, right,

532
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: So are you know? Are you sure? I mean, is

533
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: it a Mulligan year for Clay Helton? Is it a

534
00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: Mulligan year? Four? Um? Tom Herman in Texas? Well, I

535
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: don't think Texas is like everybody else. I don't think

536
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: that they think like everyone else. I think that they

537
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: have a massively inflated self image based on what they've

538
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: accomplished since getting rid of Mac Brown and so. Right,

539
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: So I would say I would say that Texas doesn't

540
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: play by the same rules as everyone else. And I

541
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: would say the problem for USC fans is that they

542
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: have believed that they should play by the same rules

543
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: as everybody else whereas even Pack twelve fans who hate

544
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: USC would say, like, it's very surprising to us that

545
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: they're not acting like they're better than us and making

546
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: decisions like they're better than us. Um, they fired Lane Kiffin,

547
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: left him on the tarmac in a season where they

548
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: left him fift less scholarship players than every other than

549
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: every other program, And so you know, where's that USC

550
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: at where's that attitude at? Yeah? I don't know, man,

551
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: uh the the fans wanted, but I mean because I

552
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: was strolling the Texas message board, They're like, they are

553
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: the same. They are literally mirrors of the USC. We

554
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: need urban Meyer. Urban Meyer, dude, that is the only

555
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: thing that they can see. They can see urban Meyer.

556
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: Both schools can only see that and nothing else. Like

557
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: people brought up Matt Campbell from Iowa State, who's doing

558
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: a phenomenal job, phenomenal job, and they're like, oh, no,

559
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: no, no no, we don't want mac Matt Campbell. He's not

560
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: you know, he's not big time enough for us. Like

561
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: USC did with Ed Oderon. They hired ed Oderon, they

562
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: and be in this mess that they're in. I think

563
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: if you're a big enough program, I don't think you

564
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: need somebody who came up through the success of their

565
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: own mind and schemes. I think that if you're a

566
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: big enough program, you need to get somebody who can

567
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: manage the situation and have other people who do the

568
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: day to day of scheming and winning games. I think

569
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: the future what's hilarious is that's what's working for North

570
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: Carolina right now, and who's their head coach Mac Brown exactly.

571
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: I think the person for the job at the University

572
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: of Texas would be the current iteration of Mac Brown

573
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: or somebody like her Edwards or Marvin Lewis who you

574
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: could you could bring in. They have the experience to

575
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: manage other people and get the best out of them,

576
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: and then you leave your the figurehead and you leave

577
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: it to everybody else, somebody like Pete Carroll. You you

578
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: you need someone who can come in and politic and

579
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: be a leader, but isn't necessarily involved in all of

580
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: the xs and ohs, and then has the Unmike leachability

581
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: to then still take responsibility for any of the failings

582
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: of their underlings. You need that type of personality. But no,

583
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: they want the smartest, quickest guy in the room. And

584
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: usually you put somebody on a big stage like that

585
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: they outsmart themselves. Yeah, but they also want the big name,

586
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: they want the sexy name. They're like, oh, we want

587
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: the all time the the guy who can come in

588
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: and turn the program around immediately. There's only one. It's

589
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: It's urban Meyer. And like Urban Meyer is not going

590
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: to Texas. Stop it, Like he's not like just the

591
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: actual thought of that, Like there's nothing Texas about urban Meyer.

592
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I think that he would do well there.

593
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: I think that he would do for now. But I

594
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: just don't see that that dude needs to stay on TV.

595
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: She just needs to stay on TV for for his

596
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: own health, for his own like we we especially, you know,

597
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: I talked about the a year ago on this podcast

598
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: that I didn't think he was right for USC because

599
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: I think that we're so politically divided that his politics

600
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: we're going to become a toxic issue. And what has

601
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: happened in the last few weeks, urban Meyer's politics have

602
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: started to become an issue that people want to discuss

603
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: and not the fact that he's a football coach and

604
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: that's really all that you should worry about is that

605
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: he's a football coach, and so like, I think anybody

606
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: who is interested in being in public life and being

607
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: able to have an opinion on everything in the world

608
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: outside of football should be in a position where they're

609
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: able to give that opinion and it doesn't threaten their

610
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: livelihood and it doesn't put the people that you're supposed

611
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: to be over at any risk of having some sort

612
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: of division with you. Because this Pack twelve player movement,

613
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: how do you think that would have mixed with urban

614
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: Meyer being the head of usc oh M. It would

615
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: have gone fine until he started tweeting. It would have right, fine,

616
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: until until you pull up his likes correctly, right, and

617
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump says something about how Pack twelve players

618
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: are idiots, and urban Meyer likes the tweet, and then

619
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: what what? And then you have me and you talking

620
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: about his tweets like idiots on this podcast. Well, I

621
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't call us idiots. I say you're idiot for liking it. Um.

622
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: There is some good news though for the Pack twelve.

623
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: The women will potential the women's final four bid for

624
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: twenty I know this is way off the beaten path,

625
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: but it's quick good news, potential good news. The women's

626
00:38:53,400 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: final four, bid for six will be announced UH tomorrow,

627
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: which will be actually today when you guys listen to

628
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: the podcast UM. It will either be Portland's, Columbus, Phoenix,

629
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: and Tampa are the finalists. So two of those four

630
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: are going to be chosen hopefully, Like I think they'd

631
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: be really good for Portland's to get get one, especially

632
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: being a UH like that would be really good for

633
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: UM West Coast teams, especially being that Oregon is one

634
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: of the I mean, if if it were Los Angeles, Oregon,

635
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: like somebody who can compete for a national championship, because

636
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: Oregon State is super good too, like any teams that

637
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: can compete for a national championship, potentially having that in

638
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: your city, I am all in on that. Yeah. I mean,

639
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: first of all, the way that the UH the Pact

640
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: twelve has performed in women's hoops is something that definitely

641
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: doesn't get enough UM attention. But I mean, yeah, it'd

642
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: be nice to have like the UH final four in Portland,

643
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: brought to you by Antifa or whoever is running the

644
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 1: Northwest by that time, well there, who knows, who knows?

645
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: Maybe the universities will have been burned down for two

646
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: years by that point, hopefully we'll even be able to

647
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: have fans at games. I'm I'm, I'm of the current

648
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: mindset that, UM, if nobody has gonna take any position

649
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: of leadership to to get us out of the situation

650
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: that we're in, then you know, we might just have

651
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: the final four. Um might join everybody else in a

652
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: in a bubble in Orlando for the for the foreseeable future.

653
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: I want to be optimistic, George, but it's really hard

654
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: right now. Did you see Jayden Daniels is petitioning to

655
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: get families to at least be able to go to

656
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: the football games this upcoming year. Yeah, and I definitely

657
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: agree with that families should be allowed in the stadium.

658
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: I remember talking to my son's UHUM athletic director at

659
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: his at his high school about that, and he said, well,

660
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: if we can't have parents in the stands, we're not

661
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: gonna play. And I it didn't really dawn't on me,

662
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: and he said, Georgia, imagine being able to, like having

663
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: a football game and your high school kid is there

664
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: and he's playing a game, and you or your family

665
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: can't be there. He was like, I've had a kid,

666
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: my own kid get hurt in a game, and there's

667
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: nothing that like, these are high school kids. They're not

668
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: college kids. They're not pros like where they're off on

669
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: their their own some sometimes like imagine you're a kid,

670
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, dang, I've been laying on that

671
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: field before, and you know, and if my parents couldn't

672
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: be there and I was in high school or at

673
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: least somebody who I loved and new cared about me. Granted,

674
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: coach coach just do a lot of a lot of

675
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: times too, but it's not the same. I would feel

676
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: some kind of type of way about that, especially been

677
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm lending my talent, abilities and uh and health to

678
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: to to make this budget money back for you. Yeah,

679
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's a different era. It's it's certainly a

680
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: different era. I I played like four sports in high

681
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: school for three years, and my parents came to one

682
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: game ever and left at halftime, and I scored a

683
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: touchdown on the first play of the second half, and

684
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: so you know, it's and that was normal. I'm not

685
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: asking for any sympathy whatsoever because that was pretty standard,

686
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: and it's it's just interesting to me that we've we

687
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: you know, we we've come so far as to say

688
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: that like, oh, you know, we we can't even play

689
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: these games if the parents can't be there. When it was,

690
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: you know, it was definitely a surprise for I think

691
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: some people in in the nineties and before that, if

692
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: if people even showed up to you know, I think

693
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people played sports so that they wouldn't

694
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: have to go home, and so it's it's definitely a

695
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: perspective and culture shift, um over time. I do think

696
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: that the families, it doesn't make sense that you release

697
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: kids to go back to families that you're saying couldn't

698
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: be at the games. Like they're gonna be with those

699
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: families anyway, especially at the high school level. It'll be

700
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: interesting to see what they do for the college. You know.

701
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 1: There's a lot of handlers though that go by uncle,

702
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: so we'll see what they mean. By fans. Yeah, you

703
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: got to get people to have a damn d n

704
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: a test first, um. The Okay, So going back, I

705
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: guess on a story that has been brought back up

706
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: by John Canzano from the from Oregon Live of what

707
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: he writes for The Orgonian. He has a podcast to

708
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: both faced truth for his radio show out of Portland's.

709
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: And when I saw this tweet, I was like, oh

710
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: my god, the Pack twelve is gonna have to hire

711
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: consultants to to find a way to get Kanzano to

712
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: stop coming at the conference. I was like, there's there,

713
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: there's no way because because the only way that they

714
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: can figure out a solution to anything is hiring a consultant.

715
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: And Kanzano is not easing up a bit. Like he

716
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: was the one who brought out the story about the

717
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: about the um L a times, he brought out the

718
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: story about that we're about to tell you right now,

719
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other ones that are unfavorable of

720
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: Larry Scott in particular um and I think he was

721
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: the one that brought up oh about the bonuses, about

722
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: the bonuses getting moved up to get paid too. So

723
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: here was the headline, well, the the tweet headline. No

724
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: media company wanted to part partner with the Pack twelve.

725
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: ESPN declined, Fox, CBS, even the Discovery Channel declined, nobody

726
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: knows this, We weren't wanted. This is a quote. This

727
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: is when you had the sec partner with the with ESPN, Fox,

728
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: partner with the Big ten to own the right. Nobody

729
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: wanted to Pack twelve and that is but it was spun. Actually,

730
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: I'll let you tell us, Ralph about about the spin.

731
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: What they tried to tell us, how they tried to

732
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: tell us that um like sell us on their version

733
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: of you know, their alternative facts. Well, I mean, the

734
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: whole thing stems from the fact that that UM Larry

735
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: Scott justifies his salary by saying, this is not just

736
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: a sports conference, but it's also a network. He is

737
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: the head of both. So his justification of his salary

738
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: is already a spin. And just a couple of years ago,

739
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: as Kanzana writes, the Pact twelve had a hundred and

740
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: seventy employees, most of them have been laid off or furloughed.

741
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: They got an empty hundred and seventy thousand square foot

742
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: UM building that they run the network out of. That

743
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: essentially they pay the mortgage of the entire building UM

744
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: based on the tenure rental agreement that they that they signed,

745
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: which was super um inflated. And and John Kanzano has

746
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: painted this whole thing as a grift, genuine griff. He said,

747
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve network faked it from the start. Some

748
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: of the fund was for those involved. The stafford were

749
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: crazy hours and we're passionate and innovative, but they had

750
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: no control over the botch distribution plans, or the swollen budget,

751
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: or the fact that Larry scott inexplicably drew part of

752
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: his salary from the network budget while contributing very little

753
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: in the way of leadership. So um he brings up

754
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: that the the the Pack twelve looked to sell off

755
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: part of the media company, that it said that it

756
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: was for a five hundred million dollar steak in ten

757
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: of it. And then we were told that the Pack twelve.

758
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: When I say we, I mean literally you and I

759
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: at a Pack twelve media day, we're told that the

760
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: Pack twelve cut off those negotiations because they were actually

761
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: having negotiations, but none of them were up to the

762
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: par of what the Pack twelve UM wanted to take

763
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: in as far as a partner. And now John Kanzano

764
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: is essentially writing that Um, there was no negotiation, there

765
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: were no takers. There was nobody seriously pursuing an ownership

766
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: steak in the Pack twelve at all. That essentially the

767
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: entire thing was sort of a lay tactic to push

768
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: back against some of the media criticisms and paint Scott

769
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: as an innovator for pitching the idea of a situation

770
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: that they couldn't actually fulfill. Um, meanwhile, the media network

771
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: that is the pactual network isn't even gonna be broadcasting

772
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: any games this year, no football, So they furloughed a

773
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: bunch of employees. And the the shitty thing, George, about

774
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: furloughing employees is you're basically telling them they're going to

775
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: come back to something they probably have been better off

776
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: just admitting that they failed and letting those people go

777
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: with the severance. Well they will, Well here's the here's

778
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: the thing that we just got word today though, that

779
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: some of these employees will be coming back at that

780
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: they will be staggering back, So some of them will

781
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: be coming back. It's just like, it's just a disaster, dude,

782
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: because you have set these people up to a fail professionally, Like, yes,

783
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: you furloughed them, but what is the what is the network? Like,

784
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: it's not making money, it's not doing what you said

785
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: it was gonna be able to do. So now instead

786
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: of just cutting bait and saying all right, look, we

787
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: have absolutely failed. Let's do something completely different. I know

788
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: that this is gonna cost some people. There are jobs,

789
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: but let's move. But we're already in that situation. Let's

790
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: move the headquarters. We can keep these people on. Just

791
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: do a bunch of digital shows and all of this cool,

792
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: make some cool content, hire some smart people and do

793
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: something different. But instead of that, they're gonna keep trying

794
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: to plunge for it. And Larry Scott is gonna tell

795
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: us that things are going fine because you know what

796
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: he really really wants more than anything is to get

797
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: to negotiate another bad TV deal, which means that he

798
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: gets to stay on and say, well, you know, you

799
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: know what, I have some really good ideas. If it

800
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: weren't for the pandemic, things would be different. Yeah, it's

801
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: the it's the logic of like, we're not gonna change

802
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: drivers just because the person who's in the driver's seat

803
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: got us lost and relate to our dinner reservation, because

804
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: at least the person who got us lost was the

805
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: one in charge of getting us lost, so maybe they

806
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: can get us unlost. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Kick the

807
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: person who is causing us all of the issues out

808
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: of the damn driver's seat. Somebody else take over and

809
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out from here. He is a net negative.

810
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: He is a detriment and a drain and a liar

811
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: and a cheat. He is not I mean, I mean

812
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: some of these it's just sports, and it's not a

813
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: character issue with Larry Scott. It is. It is definitely

814
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: a character issue when you talk about bringing people into

815
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: the most expensive city in the world, paying them entry

816
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: level salaries, making sure that they have to commute in

817
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: and out all of the time, As Ashley Adamson alluded

818
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: to when she was, you know, mourning over all of

819
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: the employees that they let go in her very heartfelt

820
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: statement that she put on social media. When you and

821
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: then you and then you tell those employees like a, uh,

822
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: sit tight, you're paying Bay Area rent and you don't

823
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: know whether or not you're gonna have a job. Then

824
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: it comes out that you're not even really going to

825
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: be producing any games on your network for the upcoming season.

826
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: That you tried to say, you tried to say was

827
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: worth five billion dollars, You said it was worth five

828
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: billion dollars five billion dialis b A K A A

829
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: K a uh, five times more than what the Big

830
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: ten will make than the Pack twelve over the course

831
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: of the rest of this television contract. Nothing about this

832
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: adds up, and there's nobody And honestly, it's getting to

833
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: the point where it's getting to the point where the

834
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: biggest villain in the entire Pack twelve is Michael Crow. Yeah,

835
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: who is the president. He's the president of it. And

836
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: who was the only one who was around when they

837
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: brought um Larry Scott in and whose justification for keeping

838
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: Larry Scott on is we have less and now we

839
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: have more. But it doesn't acknowledge that everybody else has

840
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: more than your more, that you have the least more. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

841
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: Everybody else is going up way, way more except for you. Yeah,

842
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: you're bragging. You're bragging about having gotten wet because it rained.

843
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: But if you were under umbrella and you got the

844
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: least amount of wet, it's not the same as everybody else.

845
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I don't know what it's going

846
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: to say. It it seems to me there are a

847
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: few things in this country that everyone is unified around,

848
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: and that the fact that nothing gets done it causes

849
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: more erosion in the faith of systems than anything else. Right, So,

850
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: like you could have sent of the country could want

851
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: to decriminalize marijuana, while the country still throws people in

852
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: jail uh and ruins lives over something that an overwhelming

853
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: majority of the country wants to change. Right, Those are

854
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: massive political issues, when a much smaller issue is the

855
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: fact that of the people involved with the PAC twelve

856
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: don't think that Larry Scott can do this job and

857
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: also believe he has actively harmed the conference. That's nothing.

858
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: That's the part that's bizarre to me is that, like,

859
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: how does this keep going? Like I don't understand how

860
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: the presidents and the chancellors aren't saying COVID, COVID be

861
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: damn stop throwing good money after bad like he's the

862
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: ultimate result of it is an erosion of It's an

863
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: erosion of faith in the system. Why would somebody want

864
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: to support the PAC twelve if the PAC twelve doesn't

865
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: support the PATH twelve. Yep, dude, I am a person

866
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: who um, okay, So I always tell I think I

867
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: told you a story. Recently, I was coaching some kids,

868
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: and and and kids always ask questions. They're always like, okay,

869
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: so how do I do this, coach, what do you know?

870
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: How do I deal with things in life? And I

871
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: always tell them, especially when you're being bullied, because I've

872
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: had some kids on my team teams be bullied all

873
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: of this stuff, and I'm like, here is how you

874
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: deal with bullies. Here's how you deal with these situations.

875
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: You don't just um, just just expect somebody to come

876
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: help you, because nobody's coming to come save you. In life.

877
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: You have until you stand up for yourself. If you

878
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: do not stand up for yourself, people will say that

879
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: whatever punishment or bullying or whatever that it was, it

880
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: either wasn't a big deal to you or you liked it.

881
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: So I like, I told the kid on my team

882
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: who was being bullied. He was like, Coach, they're they're

883
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: bothering me. I need you to do something. I was like, no,

884
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything. He was like what I said. Look,

885
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: I said, the moment that you get tired of it,

886
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: the moment I see you stand up for yourself, I

887
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: will make sure it stops. But because if I go

888
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: over there, they're just gonna talk to you and they'll

889
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: be like, oh you you're you're weak. You said something

890
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: to coach, blah blah blah, remind you the kids getting

891
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: bullied at school too. Next day at practice, he goes

892
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: off and leave me lo live me lod. I told

893
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 1: you I don't like that. Blah blah blah, went off,

894
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: and then I went over there way even though I

895
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: knew what was going on already, like, hey, what's going on?

896
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: Told me, made sure it never happened again. Then the

897
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: issue happened at school, he goes off on a kid.

898
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: Teacher overhears him going off, and he's like, Yo, what's

899
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: what's happening? And then they start asking questions. So then

900
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: in his pier circle, he doesn't look like a snitch,

901
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: and he looks like somebody who will stand up for himself.

902
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: That's the way life works. Nobody's coming to come save

903
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: you unless you save yourself. Yeah, I talk well and

904
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: then and so. But some people just want harmony, right,

905
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: And in my mind, harmony with a bad note still

906
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: makes for a bad song. And so the PAC twelve

907
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: wants to look they think the PAC twelve thinks it's

908
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: better off having a united front and being critical of

909
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: Larry Scott behind closed doors. Then it would be to

910
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: actually fix the problem nobody's impressed, guys, no one. Everyone

911
00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: just thinks that you are inviting this upon your self.

912
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: That's all we think when we look at the PAC

913
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: twelve presidents, and we look at the PAC twelve relative

914
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: to the lest of the rest of the country, and

915
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: in the context of Larry Scott's track record and the

916
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: things that he has not been able to come through on,

917
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: namely distribution of the network that he is the head of,

918
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: we look at the presidents and say, all right, well,

919
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: you've invited this detriment because you've absolutely done nothing too

920
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: uh try to change anything? Yea. And I think I

921
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: think that that that drives with the story that you're

922
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: trying to tell. Nobody is going to feel for any

923
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: of these schools if they don't advocate for themselves. The

924
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: problem is they have to advocate against their advocate. I

925
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: didn't even think that is that's funny when you put

926
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: it like that, it's like saying that you actually have

927
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: to stand up to the person who's supposed to be

928
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: standing up for you. Right, sometimes you gotta fire your

929
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: lawyer if you want to stay at a jail. Right,

930
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: ineffective council. That's what the PACK twelve has right now,

931
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: ineffective council, and they are going to be punished harshly

932
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: and undeservedly because of one idiot and his enablers. Yep.

933
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: And honestly, there's a perspective out there, a cynical perspective

934
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: that would look at calling Larry Scott an idiot as

935
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: incredibly disrespectful to the idea that he actually accomplished everything

936
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: he set out to accomplish, which was to be an

937
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: incapable man who got filthy rich and enhance the wealth

938
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: of his friends, who he used his consultants to help

939
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: solve problems that he should have been capable to do

940
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: on his own, all while achieving nothing. Wow. And he

941
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: belongs in the Grifter Hall of Fame. Oh yeah, dude,

942
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: he is the ultimate grifter. I don't I don't with

943
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: him and and and I'm gonna tell you because you

944
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: know that people that work at the Pack twelve listen

945
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: to this podcast. They heard me on Canon Kinzano's show

946
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: and other shows called Larry's gott a Grift. And so

947
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 1: it was kind of the first time that I saw

948
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: him after I publicly slammed him, and I was like,

949
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: I wonder if he knows that this is man and

950
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm standing there and he just you know, smiles and

951
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: smiles and chucks and jibes, and it's like wow, Like

952
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: I would probably be giving you to thank face if

953
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: I knew that you said these things about about me.

954
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. But I don't think I'd

955
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: be doing anything that that would get anybody would be

956
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: that openly disrespectful to me like they can, like they

957
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: would say, all right, I don't like George. I don't

958
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: think he's good at this, but whatever. But with some

959
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: of these other things, Yeah, no, not so much. As

960
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: long as a man, as long as the checks clear,

961
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: all he's gonna have for you as a smile. Yeah, exactly,

962
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: because he's a gritor. Um. Yeah, I think that's it

963
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: for for for today, Ralph. Well for our our our

964
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: mega episode, such a mega episode, we had to break

965
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: it into two. Um. We thank you guys for listening

966
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: to the pack twelve apostles. We appreciate your time, appreciate

967
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: your energy. Thank you guys for listening to the podcast.

968
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: Make sure that you not only subscribe, tell a friend,

969
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: share it with a friend. The games are about to start.

970
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna get way way more interesting and hopefully we

971
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: can all be united and maybe we do need to

972
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: start that go fund me to get rid of this bump. Hey, well,

973
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: and if anybody wants a ten percent stake in this

974
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: podcast and have five million dollars laying around, I heard

975
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: that's the uh, that's the going price for a slice,

976
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: we'll take it to Actually will we'll take one percent

977
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: of that. It will be fine, one percent of five Yeah,

978
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: for for a ten percent does nothing? I mean well, actually,

979
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not the only decision maker here. Would

980
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: you be okay with five million dollars for the podcast?

981
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: Would I be okay with Larry Scott's salary for ten

982
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: percent of this podcast? Uh? That we just randomly took

983
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: three weeks off of because we both had back spasms. Absolutely,

984
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you what when that when that

985
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: check clears, you probably have to find yourself a new

986
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: co host because there will not be reliable internet where

987
01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: I end up. Oh boy, all right, thank you guys

988
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: for listening. Pisa, I'll get you guys next episode.