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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode, So every episode

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Speaker 2: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 2: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome to it could happen here. It's me today, James,

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Speaker 3: and I'm very lucky to be joined by Cooper Quentin,

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Speaker 3: who is a senior staff technologist at the EFF and

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Speaker 3: Colonel Panic who is a hacker. And we are going

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Speaker 3: to be talking today about the privacy apocalypse that is

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Speaker 3: coming our way, I guess, the end of privacy and

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Speaker 3: what you can do to stop it being the end

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Speaker 3: of privacy. So thanks for joining me, Bithee.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Hey James, happy to be on the show again.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for making the time. So I guess, like

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Speaker 3: in the case is somebody lives under a rock, we

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Speaker 3: should start breaking down some of the different surveillance mechanisms

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Speaker 3: that the state is building and maybe kettle panic. You

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Speaker 3: can kick us off with flock because that is the

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Speaker 3: one that has probably got the most attention recently, and

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Speaker 3: then Cooper, we can pick up on some of the

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Speaker 3: many other privacy violation tools.

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Speaker 5: Certainly, you may notice all these cameras popping up around

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Speaker 5: essentially ALPRs. They're automatic license plate readers. So this is

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Speaker 5: like a form of drag net surveillance where anytime you

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Speaker 5: drive by these things, they're just logging your license plate.

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Speaker 5: And they've expanded this to do other things like facial

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Speaker 5: Or I think it's a sound thing too, right.

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Speaker 4: Oh, okay, yeah, I think it's it's pretty similar to

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Speaker 4: gunshot detection in the books for people shouting, people in

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Speaker 3: Right yeah, Or I meantine if that was a fucking peacock,

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Speaker 3: like you have peacocks get angry, they really sounds like

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Speaker 4: huge issue for gunshot detections in general. Right, they can

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then just because you're in the area, you know,

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Speaker 3: So press, we should talk a little bit about some

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, facial recognition is all the rays these days.

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Speaker 4: A lot of law enforcement is unfortunately investing in this.

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Speaker 6: Jesus, but it's been using this as as a you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a reassuring thing to hear.

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Speaker 5: The high cost of the free service.

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Speaker 3: we could start there and it coup. You've done a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. So I've been for the last couple of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't mean that they government cannot find out

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Speaker 3: It just means that they're not using this mechanism of

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Speaker 4: enforcement agencies decided that that also extended to stingrays. Whereas

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it allows people to then yet lit the crowdsce

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, this has become a big part of late cups.

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Speaker 4: And It got me used to like spotting those cameras around, right,

436
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 4: And I think that it's a really it's a really

437
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 4: useful piece of propaganda work essentially in that in that

438
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 4: way to get people used to spotting these, to get

439
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 4: people thinking about, well, where are these? How many of

440
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 4: these are there in my town?

441
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 9: Right?

442
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 4: Like people are like, well, you could just go look

443
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 4: for them, Yeah, but people don't.

444
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: Right, You've got this ship to do. Yeah, Like, yeah, exactly.

445
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 4: But if I hear that from the from their you know,

446
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 4: really loud buzzer, right, I know that something is going on. Right,

447
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 4: it's more of a it's a little more jarring. It's

448
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 4: it's good in that way.

449
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see it. It's like a like a little

450
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: note Meandineville parrots at your shoulder. And when you're being

451
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: spied on, you're being spied on. You're being spied on

452
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: just constantly. Yeah, yeah, you realize the extent to which

453
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 3: that is happening.

454
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 5: Surveillance coal mine canary essentially, And yeah.

455
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: It canary is better better enalogy.

456
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 4: Kind of like lying cat, but surveillance cat.

457
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah.

458
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 4: Instead of every time you're lying and says that, it

459
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 4: just says surveillance every time somebody's spying on you.

460
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

461
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: The other thing that I think is is cool. I

462
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 4: know you I spy and and raigment. And why I

463
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 4: think these are good projects is it gives a lot

464
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 4: of people something to do right. Fascism can really make

465
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 4: people feel helpless, and it's overarching surveillance can really make

466
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 4: people feel helpless. And it's really easy for people to

467
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 4: fall into privacy nihilism and security nihilism right and just

468
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 4: be like, well, I'm gonna be watched constantly. There's nothing

469
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: I can do, so, you know, sprit, why do anything right?

470
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 4: And this gives people something to do, right. There's a

471
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 4: thing you can and Americans love buying a thing, right,

472
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 4: We love a gadget. And so there's a thing you

473
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 4: can go buy or build or set up or whatever. Right,

474
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 4: and go start pushing back, even just a little by little,

475
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 4: on the surveillance around you.

476
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 8: Right.

477
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: And then once you start doing one thing, it lowers

478
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 4: the energy of activation. It becomes easy to do other

479
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 4: things right. It becomes easier to go to your city

480
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: council and demand that they rip these cameras out. It

481
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: becomes easier to find and organize with other people in

482
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 4: your community, right, it becomes easier to start to you know,

483
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: think about direct action, you know, in that sense, it

484
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 4: becomes a bit of like propaganda indeed, right, Like we're

485
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: giving people the tool to get off their couch and

486
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: start to push back and start to fight back and

487
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 4: start to become a part of a community. Right. So

488
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 4: I think it's really important for that with ray Hunters.

489
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 4: So I already kind of described how it works, but

490
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 4: we had we had a few goals with ray hunter.

491
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 4: One was to figure out, you know, how often the

492
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: cell size simulators were being used in the US and

493
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 4: around the world. But but you know, I live I

494
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: live here, so this is my main focus, but specifically

495
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 4: how often they're being used to spy on protesters, right,

496
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 4: because we were getting this idea that a lot of

497
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 4: activists thought that they were everywhere, right, and I thought

498
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 4: that other things were a much bigger threat, right, Like,

499
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 4: I'm there are there are things that I'm more concerned about.

500
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: But also cel size simulators, stingrays are pretty mysterious, right, Like,

501
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: we don't we know the broad strokes of how they work,

502
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 4: but we don't know the technical details of what exploits

503
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 4: they are using to you know, essentially trick people's phones

504
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 4: into connecting to them. Right, So this was a this

505
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 4: was a chance to try to get some ground truth

506
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: information about that as well. Yeah, and we have succeeded

507
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 4: in that we have a bunch of recordings from around

508
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: the US of things that we think are quite likely

509
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: to be cell size similiators actively in use by law enforcement,

510
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 4: and move out some ideas about how they're working and

511
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 4: what they're doing, and the other goals that we wanted

512
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 4: to try to like calm down some of the fear

513
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 4: and uncertainty and doubt among activists about whether this was

514
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 4: a threat model that they need to worry about and

515
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 4: give people more accurate threat models.

516
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 3: Right.

517
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like also give people, you know, a modicum

518
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 4: of comfort.

519
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 8: Right.

520
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 4: This is not a self defense device, right, This is

521
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: actually like at the end of the day, this is

522
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 4: a data collect like not data collection. We're not collecting

523
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: your data, but this is this is a research project. Yeah,

524
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: we're collecting the data about like how often do we

525
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: think that we're actually seeing these Right. But it gives

526
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 4: people a modicum of comfort too, Right, because you have this,

527
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 4: you have Rayhunter with you, right, and if it doesn't

528
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: go off, you're like, every time it doesn't go off,

529
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: you're like, Okay, you know, maybe this is not actually

530
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: a threat model that I need to worry so much about, right,

531
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: And then I hope you'll think, well, what do I

532
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 4: need to worry about? Oh? Probably things like PenLink. Probably

533
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 4: things like Celebrate and the cops arresting me and making

534
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 4: a copy of all the data on my phone. Yeah, right,

535
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 4: probably other you know, facial recognition and other things like that,

536
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 4: which I think are the things that you should be

537
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: thinking about and worrying about. Yeah, that's been the point

538
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: of Rayhunter, and I think it's been successful in that sense.

539
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 10: Right.

540
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, we really, I mean, we want we want

541
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: more people to install this, right, especially the next time

542
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: Ice lays siege to a city, right, we want to

543
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 4: have we want to have some there. You know, late

544
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 4: in the game to Minneapolis, a ground game got set

545
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 4: up where we then had like a couple hundred of

546
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: these on the ground of Minneapolis, and we didn't find

547
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: we did not find anything in Minneapolis that we follow

548
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: was conclusive evidence of an mccatcher. Well, Ice was there

549
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: laying siege to the city. Hopefully there is no next

550
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 4: time they lay siege to a city.

551
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully that doesn't happen again.

552
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 4: But if that does happen again, hopefully we can get,

553
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 4: you know, sort of a grand game set. I'm very

554
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 4: quickly to try to determine if they're using this form

555
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 4: of surveillance or not.

556
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: So talking of surveillance, here are a couple of products

557
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: and services. If you buy them, that will probably result

558
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: in your data being collected, which will in turn be

559
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: sole perhaps to an Israeli company who'll say to the cops.

560
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: Shamba would never sell my data.

561
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 3: All right, we are back. I think that's really good

562
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: explanation of the value of these devices. The more you know,

563
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: the more you know. And this is a struggle that

564
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: I have on a daily basis at the moment. There

565
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: are so many things to be angry and scared about

566
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: right now. We don't need to invent shit that we

567
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 3: shouldn't be angry and scared about. We need to focus

568
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: on the things that are a real threat. And there

569
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: are things in this landscape which are a real threat.

570
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: And so I think it helps people to have that,

571
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: Like it's one thing to go on flog map or

572
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: whatever and be like, Okay, well they're there and there

573
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: and there it's another one to be like, well, shit,

574
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: in my going out to get a pizza with my friends,

575
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: I was spied upon five times, and I think that

576
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: that is very valuable. At the same time, nobody tried

577
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: to sell sites spoof and get my information that way.

578
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: I think that's very important. Let's talk a little bit

579
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: about like how people can organize. San Diego has done

580
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: a spectacular job of signing a contract that it can't

581
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: stop paying for surveillance cameras. So even if we stop

582
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: using them tomorrow, we would keep sending our taxpayer money

583
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: to a spying company, which is great. Because our city

584
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: is and run by the sea, it will continue to

585
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: be a shit show forever apparently. But like, let's assume

586
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: that other people have slightly more competent local government.

587
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: What an amazing contract. I can't believe that they said that.

588
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: It's California politics is a shit show, But San Diego

589
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: is a fucking joke. Many examples of this.

590
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 4: Listen, my city council member just got indicted by the

591
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 4: FBI on corruption charges. So in the year of our

592
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: Lord twenty twenty five, he got indicted by the FBI. So, like,

593
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 4: how stupid do you have to go out so I

594
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 4: have no legs to stand on. But also in California,

595
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 4: so it all tracks.

596
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the great great times on the left coast.

597
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's talk about how people have.

598
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: Organized their communities against surveil. It's like just to like

599
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: paint a picture for folks here, right, Like, the flock

600
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: camera does not know if you're doing a crime. The

601
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: flock camera doesn't know if you came from another state

602
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: to obtain reproductive healthcare. The flock camera doesn't know if

603
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: you're a migrant parent popping out to get formula for

604
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: your little baby. It captures all of that shit, right, Like,

605
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: there's a broad range of people in this country who

606
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: are fucking disgusted at that, people who we might not

607
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: be used to organizing with. But perhaps you guys could

608
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: like explain the how or if you're aware of instances

609
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: where people have organized against state survailan too, would be

610
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: cool to hear about that.

611
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 5: Yeah. I recently did a talk here in Asheville, North Carolina,

612
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 5: at an event called nerd Nite, and nerd Night is

613
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 5: essentially it's a way to go to a bar without

614
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 5: just a bunch of drivel. You know, you go and

615
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 5: then somebody does three talks fifteen minutes each, and so

616
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 5: the host was kind enough to give me a twenty

617
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 5: five minute slot at the end to talk about flock

618
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 5: cameras in our city here, And it just so happened

619
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 5: to be happening before they tried to vote on a

620
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 5: real time intelligence center that centralized flock ax on and

621
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 5: all of our drawn data into one just like wall

622
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 5: of surveillance for the city. And so I did this

623
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 5: talk and a city council member showed up our toolest

624
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 5: city council member, Kim Roni. She showed up and dearing

625
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 5: the questions at the end, I was unsure because on

626
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 5: our portal here it said the APD says, you know,

627
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 5: we don't share our data with outside agencies. And Kim

628
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 5: Roni came up and confirmed that something like four thousand

629
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 5: agencies have access to our data. Yeah, we don't share them,

630
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 5: but they can request and we just hand it over.

631
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's that's one thing that we learned at

632
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 5: that time. So this this prompted a big push that

633
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 5: was kind of happening for city council. So a lot

634
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 5: of folks that came to that talk came to city Council,

635
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 5: and I'm telling you, like, it's folks all over the board.

636
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 5: I mean, this is Appalachia here, nobody, nobody wants to

637
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 5: be surveilled in these hollers.

638
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, this is one of those areas where

639
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: we can build really broad coalitions, like of people who

640
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: we might not agree on with on everything. Like this

641
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: is a wret to anyone who wants to do almost

642
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: anything apart from I guess just go show uping.

643
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 5: One interesting point is that over one hundred people showed

644
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 5: up to city council. I'm you know, this is new

645
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 5: to me. I'm working on getting out there a little bit,

646
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 5: and I seeded my time to another speaker, but over

647
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 5: one hundred people showed up, and then they pulled it

648
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 5: from the vote. They pulled it from the agenda, so

649
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 5: lots of folks left, but then some folks stucked around

650
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 5: for general comment and still got it out there. But

651
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 5: you know, we'll see what happens down the line. They

652
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: love to do that tactic.

653
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 4: They did the same thing in Oakland when it was

654
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 4: up for When it was up on the agenda, they

655
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: said a ton of people showed up to discuss it,

656
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 4: and then they were like Oops, no, never mind, we're

657
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: gonna pull that from the agenda today. Yeah, it's such

658
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 4: a shady tactic, but no, I mean, at eff we've

659
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: seen we've seen similar things all over the country. You know,

660
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: a ton of different cities have dropped their flock contracts

661
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 4: recently because of community pressure. Right, this doesn't happen in

662
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: a vacuum. Your city council doesn't care, right They they

663
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: want to score easy political wins. Right block sells them

664
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: this as an easy political win. Right this they can

665
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 4: stop carjackings, right they can. They can find car thefts,

666
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 4: they can, they can do all these things that are popular.

667
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 4: Nobody likes being carjacked, nobody likes having their car stolen.

668
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 4: Right But when people show up to city council and

669
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: push back and fight against this, it makes it not

670
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: an easy political win, right, it makes it It makes

671
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 4: it actually politically a bit poisonous to push these technologies.

672
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 8: And it should be.

673
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, we shouldn't be surveilled constantly just because we happen

674
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: to be outside, and like, look, I would love to

675
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: not have a car, right, but this is America. Like

676
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: everybody drives all the time. That is that is the

677
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 4: society we live in unfortunately. Yeah, and you shouldn't be

678
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: You shouldn't be subject to surveillance just for participating in society.

679
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 4: And like you said, I think we can build very

680
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: broad coalitions around this, right, and we can start to like, hey,

681
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: you know, remember how you know how mad you were

682
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: about flock, Like, yeah, wait till you find out about

683
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 4: these other surveillance technologies, right, Like, now, let's talk about

684
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 4: campaign finance and how how all these companies you don't

685
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 4: like are financing politicians? Right, Like you can you can

686
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 4: pull people to the left, and this is a good

687
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 4: way to start interacting with those people. Yeah, right, even

688
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: people on the right, even sort of our more you know,

689
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 4: the more libertarian folks.

690
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: They hate them too.

691
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 4: A lot of them have gone full Nazi, But the

692
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 4: ones that haven't gone full Nazi, right, like, should really

693
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 4: care about this stuff, right, and you can you know,

694
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 4: this can be away in with them as well.

695
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like everyone we can bring with us, we need

696
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: to in it when else fuck them? Yeah, absolutely, But

697
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 3: I think this is a really good area to organize

698
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: because all of us stand to lose something. It's so

699
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: fucking creepy when you realize the extent to which like

700
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: someone is watching or could be watching. A million reasons

701
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: why people could be.

702
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 9: Mad at that.

703
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 5: There's plenty of room for abuse, you know there too,

704
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 5: And it's been documented, you know, a recent video with

705
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 5: Ben Jordans. I mean, you know, oh yeah, if you

706
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 5: give people this kind of surveillance access, it's impossible to

707
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 5: vet people on this level, you know. And if you

708
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 5: give people who got you know, God likes surveillance power,

709
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 5: what are they going to end up doing? And there's

710
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 5: been cases where they've shown that police officers have surveiled

711
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 5: their ex partners and then consequently pulled that person over,

712
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 5: which is just insane.

713
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, they've used this to stop people, to surveill

714
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 4: current partners, ex partners. Like the idea that police would

715
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 4: never abuse their power is completely absurd and anybody who

716
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: is arguing that is not arguing in good faith, I think.

717
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. And yet like like it is another the Dems

718
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 3: are like necessarily I mean, they're not on the side

719
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: of goods, especially in this area. But like it is

720
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 3: a big blue state thing, Like don't think that because

721
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: you live in California, this isn't happening. It is very

722
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 3: much happening.

723
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: Right right, Yeah, I mean to talk about that real quick,

724
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: right like, we have I am blanking on the bill number,

725
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: but we have a law in California that prevents California

726
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 4: police agencies from sharing data from flock with from lices,

727
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: play regions in general, with outside agencies and with ICE.

728
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: And it still happens all the time. Police just willfully

729
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 4: ignore this law, you know, I mean, like we see

730
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: immigration or ICE support as the reason they put down

731
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 4: for searches, even though that's illegal. And when they don't

732
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: do that, we know that ICE. You know, people in

733
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 4: ICE have buddies in California law enforcement. They text them,

734
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 4: they say, hey, run this plate for me. Law enforcement texts,

735
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 4: runs the plate, puts the reason down as investigation or

736
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: crime or you know some other such nonsense. Yeah, and

737
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 4: then and then you know, sends the information back to ICE.

738
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 5: Right It's we call that the good old boys system

739
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 5: down here.

740
00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 10: Yeah.

741
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. And they've made a concerted effort to recruit people

742
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: from local law enforcement all across the country. And this

743
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: is part of why right like, it gives a workaround

744
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: SB fifty four is the California Values Act, which thank you,

745
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: thank you, you are welcome. That is my shit. There

746
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: has never been a prosecution under SP fifty four. As

747
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: far as I'm aware, this law exists, like largely to

748
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 3: make the politicians who passed it feel good. There are

749
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 3: some parts about transferring people who are in detention already,

750
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 3: But like these these systems give so many workarounds, right,

751
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: or like if the data belongs to the company and

752
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 3: not to the city, or if it's stored on a

753
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: service somewhere else, like, all of these things provide potential

754
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 3: work around. So I don't think I guess that because

755
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: your local city council member has tweeted about ice being bad,

756
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: that that means that your flock cameras are not being

757
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: used for that. It's very hard to ring fences.

758
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 10: Shit.

759
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, If people want to learn more about this,

760
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 3: if they want to maybe get a ray hunter, if

761
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: they want to get a wee spy or mesh detect,

762
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: don't explain mesh de tech for people really quickly. We

763
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: didn't touch on that one.

764
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, mesh detect is essentially it's the first advice that

765
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: I made, and its primary function was to detect dron

766
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 5: remote ID. The FAA requires remote ID, which is any

767
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 5: drone over I believe it's five hundred grams has to

768
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 5: transmit pilot location and drone location in real time either

769
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 5: via ble or Wi Fi, which is pretty whack for like,

770
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, amateur flyers that just want to fly around.

771
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 5: But that being said, it's a great ocent tool. So

772
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 5: I started with that, and essentially what this does is

773
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 5: mesh detect. It takes that detection and sends it over

774
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 5: mesh Tastic Laura networks. So you can set up a

775
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 5: for instance, set up a node way out somewhere and

776
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 5: then you can have it sends you a message down

777
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 5: the line when a dron comes by over mesh tastic,

778
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 5: or you can set it up somewhere and have it

779
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 5: say okay, there's a body cam down here or whatever device,

780
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: a tesla, an anything.

781
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 8: You know.

782
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 5: A lot of devices randomize their OUI these days, mostly phones,

783
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 5: but there's plenty that don't easily detectable. So send it

784
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 5: over mesh. It just gives you a network of detection.

785
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 4: Essentially.

786
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: So people wanted to get a wee spy to get

787
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: a mesh detect, how would they do? How they go

788
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: about it? What are the ways they could get on?

789
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: Make one?

790
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a website called kernel Panic dot tech

791
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 5: and it's co l O N e L. It's a

792
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 5: little bit of a play on words. But these devices,

793
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 5: like if you really need one of these things, hit

794
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 5: me up, we'll talk. But also it's just two wires,

795
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 5: you know, like you can take my design and just

796
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: reverse engineer it and copy it, and I put the

797
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 5: wiring on my GitHub. Every bit of this is open source,

798
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 5: so if you look up Colonel Panic GitHub, you can

799
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: take this and make it on your own. I've made

800
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 5: Home Assistant integration, so like if a UI pops up

801
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 5: around your house, you can just get an alert via

802
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 5: your smart home. You could just go on there, you know,

803
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 5: dev it out. If you see something that's that I

804
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 5: screwed up, just let me know and I'll fix it

805
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 5: or we'll collab. So it's all open source.

806
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

807
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: How about ray Hunter.

808
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, so folks can go to Rayhunter dot e ff

809
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: dot org and that is our ray Hunter documentation, that's

810
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 4: our the ray Hunter book essentially, and there you can

811
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 4: find links on where to buy the hardware. We do

812
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 4: not sell the hardware, but you can buy the hardware

813
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 4: on eBay or Amazon. Sometimes. The Orbit is what people

814
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: use in the US primarily and like South America in

815
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: Europe and parts of Africa. There's a tp link device

816
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: that fits the bill better for those areas, and once

817
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: you buy the hardware, you can install the software on

818
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: it there. The hardware, unfortunately, is not open source because,

819
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 4: like I said, we didn't bull the hardware. We're just

820
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: purposing old hardware right when this when the project started,

821
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: you could buy the hardware for like ten or twenty bucks.

822
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 4: Now it's harder to find because of people have bought

823
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 4: out a lot of the supply and other other scalpers

824
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 4: have wised up to the fact that people are trying

825
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 4: to buy these. So unfortunately we've created a whole like

826
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: mini market. Uh, i'm a I'm a I'm a market maker.

827
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 4: Goddamn it. We've a hyper capitalist right here. But no,

828
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: there's like there's a whole you know, mini market of

829
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 4: people selling like already installed ray Hunters on eBay and stuff.

830
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 4: I don't recommend paying more than like forty or sixty

831
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: bucks for the hardware, but then, yeah, the software is free.

832
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 4: It's free, it's open source, right, it's on getthub. You

833
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: can go edit it right now. And you know, I

834
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: know there's a lot of tech folks that listen to

835
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 4: the show, And I just want to say, like, there's

836
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: so many cool opportunities for counter surveillance, right, Like we

837
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 4: keep kind of kind of mentioning that, like a lot

838
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 4: of police hardware is made by this company Axon, and

839
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 4: it has a very unique blue chooth signature that can

840
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 4: be easily detected.

841
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 10: Right.

842
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: There's a lot of really interesting stuff that you can

843
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 4: do with coutsual balance. And the chip that the OUI

844
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: spy runs on, the ESP thirty two is this really

845
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 4: powerful little chip that only costs like six bucks if

846
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 4: you buy them wholesale, and it's got Wi Fi blue

847
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 4: shoes and a bunch of really cool capabilities you know

848
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 4: that you could use to make some really cool counter

849
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 4: surveillance stuff. And so I really want to encourage the

850
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: tech minded folks to like think about this, Come look

851
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: at these projects, you know, Come, you know, write your

852
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: own code or make your own projects.

853
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 11: Right.

854
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 4: But like the quote from Hackers, and as your beautifully

855
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: designed PC board says, colonel, we can snoop onto them

856
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: as they snoop onto us, right exactly, we need to

857
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: spy back, right, and we need to raise the cost

858
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 4: of them spying on us, right, And that's like, sorry,

859
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 4: let mean that that makes me to another thing go off.

860
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 4: What's really cool about these products is like you can

861
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: build right hunters for about twenty bucks, right you could.

862
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 4: You could buy beautiful PC board and the already assembled

863
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: thing from Colonel for you know, a few dollars. I

864
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 4: don't know these priced off the time, it's I don't

865
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 4: want to say. Or you could build one for you know,

866
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 4: under twenty bucks, right yep, And you are then, for

867
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: you know, twenty or forty bucks, you are making useless

868
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 4: a surveillance tool and surveillance network which costs hundreds of

869
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 4: thousands to millions of dollars. Right The economics here are

870
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: on our side, yeah, right, Like this is just like

871
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 4: any sort of asymmetrical warfare, right Like, it costs millions

872
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 4: and billions and really billions of dollars for the governments

873
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 4: of the US to set up this surveillance economy, and

874
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: we can defeat it for you know, twenty or forty

875
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 4: bucks each, right, Like, we can do this a lot

876
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 4: longer than they can. They will go broke before we do.

877
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 4: And I think that that's really important, right, Like, like

878
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 4: the asymmetry here and the economics here are actually on

879
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 4: our side. Yeah.

880
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 3: And it's also like it's cool to understand and make stuff.

881
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: I am very good at fixing things that work on

882
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: you know, like explosion happens and piston lifts right like that,

883
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 3: that's my wheelhouse. I can fix my truck. I can

884
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: fix my bicycle. I can fix Are you saying you

885
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: like ice in combustion?

886
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 10: Yea.

887
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: In many ways, both ices will be the yeah, the

888
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: end of all of us. But I enjoy to fix one.

889
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: I like to look at it and go like uh

890
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: huh okay, this goes bang and then this goes up.

891
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: And it's cool to learn this stuff. It's cool to

892
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 3: learn a new skill, especially like once you get into

893
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: your thirties, like it's good to learn shit. Yeah, and

894
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 3: this is approachable, especially like the guides for these are

895
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: very approachable even if you're not like a tech punk.

896
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: If this is your first time going on GitHub and

897
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: that there are people you can reach out to, like

898
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: real nice people. You won't get an AI tech support.

899
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: Someone will help you understand this shit, and that is cool.

900
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 5: There's a platform called the M five stack that makes

901
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 5: it really easy. So like you get as a jaw

902
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 5: ESP thirty two, but M five stack makes it so

903
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 5: that like you don't even have to do soldering, and

904
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 5: they have dragon drop coating, so you can just plug

905
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 5: in sensors and things like you can make a drawing

906
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 5: detector out of one of those and already has like

907
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 5: a screen onboard, and so like it's super cheap and

908
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 5: you could just deb it out really hard and just

909
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 5: go for it.

910
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 9: You know.

911
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 5: It's it's easy for makers nowadays, Like like in the fifties, right,

912
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 5: you have to have an it's our military and industry

913
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 5: complex behind you to do this kind of stuff, right,

914
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 5: or a corporation, And now you can just just make

915
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 5: yourself a little thing in your house. It's really cool.

916
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you know, I was in Minnesota there

917
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 3: at the time when lots of ice and CBP agents

918
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: were two when they took a lot of people and

919
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: killed two people, And like one of the things that

920
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: was beautiful about that really horrible time was that everyone

921
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: was so locked in, like to include grandmothers, to include

922
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: a dude with a signed said, what would Ronald Reagan do? Like,

923
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 3: no one wanted those people in their town, right, And

924
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: that requires everyone to do what they do best. Not

925
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 3: everyone can be out on a street corner whistling a

926
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: whistle or driving around right. Some people that have HA

927
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: like a really powerful skill set, And if you are

928
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: someone who can't be out, you can still help create

929
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: these You can help code this stuff like it's beautiful

930
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: when our resistance takes the best from all of us

931
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: and then we are all better because of.

932
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 4: That, absolutely beautifully said.

933
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: Anything you guys would like to plug before we go, websites,

934
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 3: util aid projects, favorite snacks, whatever you want.

935
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 5: Take a peek at d flock dot emmy if you

936
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 5: want to. I have nothing to do with that project yet,

937
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 5: but you know they map in the flock cams. You

938
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 5: can use these detectors as supplementary devices to confirm or

939
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 5: to find things you haven't seen. But other than that,

940
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 5: just Colonel paniccdot tech can definitely check out EFF. They

941
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 5: get a lot of good stuff going on and they've

942
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 5: been doing it since the early days.

943
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: At I guess I'll plug EFF's surveillance self defense guys. Specifically,

944
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 4: that's at SSD dot ef dot org.

945
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: We got it.

946
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: We're the only continuously updated and long longest maintained security guys.

947
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 4: There's also the Activist Checklist, which is really great. Another

948
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: really great resource, the surveillance self defense guides are almost

949
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 4: like a textbook, like there's a lot of info there,

950
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: but if you just need the like quick and dirty

951
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 4: cliffs that it's version. Activist Checklist is really great for that, right,

952
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 4: and they're doing a good job keeping that up. A

953
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 4: lot of respect to them, and then yeah, I check

954
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 4: out you know Rayhunter dot eff dot org for Ray

955
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: Hunter stuff, Colonel Panic dot tech for his stuff. Since

956
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 4: he plugged my stuff, I guess the other thing that

957
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 4: I will plug is open Archive, which is a nonprofit

958
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 4: that I'm on the board of. They're making an app

959
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 4: called save which allows you to securely record, archive, and

960
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 4: verify videos of whatever you want, say, such as human

961
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: rights abuses or you know, police atrocities or things of

962
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 4: that nature. And so I recommend that project. Go check

963
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 4: them out. They're really good folks. If you're doing a

964
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 4: lot of cop watch type stuff, that's a good place

965
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Speaker 4: to go.

966
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Speaker 3: Fantastic nice. We thank you very much for joining us.

967
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 5: That was great, Thank you for having us.

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Speaker 10: Thank you. Counter terrorism, No, I prefer table terrorism.

969
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: Counter I hardly know word terrorism.

970
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 10: Hi, this is it could happen here. Yeah, I'm Garrison Davis.

971
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Speaker 10: That's Robert Evans and.

972
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Speaker 4: Not a lot to be proud of with that introduction.

973
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Speaker 10: No, not much to be proud of. But there's also

974
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Speaker 10: not much to be proud of considering the twenty twenty

975
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 10: six White House counter Terrorism Strategy.

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Speaker 8: That's right.

977
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Speaker 10: So I think we put equal amount of work into

978
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 10: this as Sebastian Gorga.

979
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 8: Did every year.

980
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: The new counter terrorism list is It's My Dune, you know,

981
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: or whatever big movie's coming out this year.

982
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 10: Hi.

983
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 2: I was excited.

984
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I was excited until I actually read it.

985
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 10: And that's what we're gonna be talking about today. And

986
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Speaker 10: it's a short one. This is very short. Actually, this

987
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 10: is just fourteen pages of actual text, about half the

988
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 10: length of previous comparable documents. Now, there's been a lot

989
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 10: of headlines about the political weaponization after this strategy was released,

990
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 10: and we'll talk about that in a sec. But let's

991
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 10: first start by talking about how the document starts with

992
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 10: a presidential forward by none other than Donald Trump, dated

993
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 10: May twenty twenty sixth. Trump lists counter terrorism accomplishments from

994
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 10: the first year of a second term, like mobilizing DHS

995
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 10: to remove illegal alien criminals in ghiest sympathizers to arresting

996
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 10: the isis K operative who planned the Abbey Gates suicide

997
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 10: bombing in Afghanistan, and rescuing over one hundred American hostages.

998
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 10: Speaking of Trump also says he secured the release of

999
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 10: the remaining October seventh hostages end quote began the process

1000
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 10: of ensuring Gaza can no longer serve as a haven

1001
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 10: for terrorism and extremism unquote, and that's through establishing Trump's

1002
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 10: own Board of Peace. The president writes that Operation Midnight

1003
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 10: Hammer and Epic Fury have dealt quote unquote devastating blows

1004
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 10: to Iran, which Trump calls the world's number one state

1005
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 10: sponsor of terror. Other actions Trump admin has taken include

1006
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 10: designating Muslim Brotherhood chapters and quote unquote deadly cartels as

1007
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 10: terrorist organizations, with Trump boasting that he quote began using

1008
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 10: the strength and power of the US military to stop

1009
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 10: and destroy cartel operations. The example that he includes here

1010
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 10: is when the US armed forces captured the quote unquote

1011
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 10: narco terrorist outlaw Venezuelan dictator Nicholas Maduro. So Trump's opening

1012
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 10: forward covers the majority of what this sixteen page total

1013
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 10: strategy is focused on. As Trump writes, quote cartel's jihadists

1014
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 10: or the governments who support them. Now, what Trump doesn't

1015
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 10: actually write about in this forward is what most reporting

1016
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 10: on the new counter terrorist strategy has focused on. The

1017
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 10: later inclusion of left wing terrorism as one of the

1018
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 10: nation's leading terror threats, and that's what we'll be mostly

1019
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,959
Speaker 10: talking about today. Good though we will cover the other

1020
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 10: two types of terrorism that this guide focuses on now.

1021
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 10: This strategy is the brainchild of White House counter Terrorisms

1022
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 10: are Sebastian Gorka, a far right Hungarian commentator who briefly

1023
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 10: served in Trump's first term. This new document states, quote,

1024
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 10: a new type of domestic terrorism has emerged, driven by

1025
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 10: violent extremists who have adopted ideologies antithetical to freedom and

1026
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 10: the American way of life. The terrorist threat has changed.

1027
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 10: We face new categories and combinations of violent actors that

1028
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 10: make established ways of doing counter terrorism insufficient or obsolete.

1029
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 10: This strategy lists three main types of terror groups the

1030
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 10: US is currently facing narco terrorists and transnational gangs, legacy

1031
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 10: Islamic terrorists, and violent left wing extremists, including anarchists and

1032
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 10: anti fascists. Now we'll get to the narco terrorist stuff later,

1033
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 10: but let's start with that last line, which is clearly

1034
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 10: clearly pulling from Trump's Antifa terrorism Executive Order as well

1035
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 10: as the National Security Presdential and Mirandum Number seven, which

1036
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 10: directed federal law enforcement to investigate potential crimes relating to

1037
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 10: political violence and terrorism quote under the umbrella of self

1038
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 10: described anti fascism. This is a pretty clear political weaponization

1039
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 10: of the intelligence community apparatus, and the new counter terrorist

1040
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 10: strategy doubles down on what ms M seven established writing quote.

1041
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 10: In addition to cartels and Islamist terror groups, our national

1042
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 10: counter terrorism activities will prioritize the rapid identification and neutralization

1043
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 10: of violent, secular political groups whose ideology is anti American,

1044
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 10: radically pro transgender, and anarchist. We will use all the

1045
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 10: tools constitutionally available to us to map them at home,

1046
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 10: identify their membership, map their ties to international organizations like Antifa,

1047
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 10: and use law enforcement to cripple them operationally before they

1048
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 10: can name or kill the innocent. We will do the

1049
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 10: same with state sponsors of such groups and those governments

1050
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 10: undertaking lethal plots on US soil or against Americans anywhere quote.

1051
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: Are there any cases of that happening? Are there any

1052
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: Antifa groups killing Americans.

1053
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 8: They have one case. They have one case, not ANTIFA groups,

1054
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 8: but yes.

1055
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 10: Oh they don't have cases of state sponsors backing ANTIVA,

1056
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 10: but they do have one instance included a violent left

1057
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 10: wing extremism, which we'll get to in a sec one

1058
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 10: example across this like fourteen to sixteen page document. Now,

1059
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 10: the violent secular ideologies that I just listed are very

1060
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 10: similar to or overlapping with the common indicators and motivations

1061
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 10: animating violent conduct. Included NSPM seven, anti Americanism, anti capitalism

1062
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 10: to Christianity, support for the overthrow of the United States government,

1063
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 10: extremism on migration, race and gender, and hostility to those

1064
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 10: who hold traditional American views on family, religion, and morality.

1065
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 10: After this new strategy was published, Sebastian Gorka told reporters, quote,

1066
00:56:55,080 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 10: we are taking ideology and counter ideology very seriously now,

1067
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 10: despite that clear political focus, literally calling it left wing extremism,

1068
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 10: something that Biden never really did with right wing extremism

1069
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 10: at least some documents.

1070
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: Like this, no shocking.

1071
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 10: Despite that clear focus, this counter terrorism strategy claims that

1072
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 10: counter terrorism operations will be executed quote unquote a politically

1073
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 10: and actually spends a significant portion complaining about how the

1074
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 10: Biden admin previously weaponized counter terrorism operations against innocent Americans

1075
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 10: great stuff quote, as real threats were ignored or underplayed.

1076
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 10: Americans have witnessed the politically motivated killings of Christians and

1077
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 10: Conservatives committed by violent left wing extremists, including the assassination

1078
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 10: of Charlie Kirk by a radical who espoused extreme transgender ideologies.

1079
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 8: Unquote.

1080
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 10: This is the only example of quote unquote left wing

1081
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 10: violence included in this entire document. Just this, just this

1082
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 10: one killing now on executive disorder. We have reported on

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Speaker 10: a few instances where the Trump administration has tried to

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Speaker 10: weaponize the killing of Christians or attacks against churches as

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Speaker 10: being motivated by like anti Christian bias, even when the

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Speaker 10: people committing those attacks were themselves Christian, and for all

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Speaker 10: that we can tell, we're not religiously motivated against Christians.

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Speaker 10: But they tried to glom onto a few of these incidents.

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Speaker 2: Certainly not the Charlie Kirk assassination exactly.

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Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, but they've tried tried to try to glom

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Speaker 10: onto these examples to build this narrative of like anti

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Speaker 10: Christian violence which is rising in the United States. And

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Speaker 10: as for the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we still don't

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Speaker 10: have a clear picture of the motivations behind that attack.

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Speaker 10: More on that later. After this new counter terrorism strategy dropped,

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Speaker 10: I did the thing that I assume anyone would do

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Speaker 10: and read through the past like three or four counter

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Speaker 10: terrorism strategies.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, great stuff from the past ten years. Good work.

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Speaker 10: Trump released one in twenty eighteen, and Biden's came out

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Speaker 10: in twenty twenty one. Now, the first mention of any

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Speaker 10: non Islamic terrorist group in Trump's twenty eighteen counter terrorism

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Speaker 10: strategy is the Nordic Resistance Movement quote, a prominent transnational

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Speaker 10: self described national socialist organization with anti Western views that

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Speaker 10: has conducted violent Attacksicans, Muslims, left wing groups, and others unquote.

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Speaker 10: This document from Trump's first term focuses almost exclusively on

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Speaker 10: Islamic terrorism, specifically ISIS and al Qaeda, but also briefly

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Speaker 10: mentions the Neo Nazi National Action Group in one paragraph

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Speaker 10: and in another reads quote, the United States has long

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Speaker 10: faced persistent security threat from domestic terrorists who are not

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00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 10: motivated by a radical Islamist ideology, but are instead motivated

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Speaker 10: by other forms of violent extremism such as racially motivated extremism,

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Speaker 10: animal rights extremism, environmental stremism, sovereign citizen extremism, and militia

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Speaker 10: extremism quot but that's really all has on non Islamic

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Speaker 10: extremism in what is a thirty four page document.

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Speaker 8: By the time Biden.

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Speaker 10: Got into office, White's premacist violence had risen dramatically and

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Speaker 10: the Biden had been released a domestic terrorism specific counter

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Speaker 10: terrorism strategy. This document, released in June twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 10: starts by describing racially or ethnically motivated violence from the

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Speaker 10: KKK during reconstruction to attacks on Black churches and synagogues

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Speaker 10: and the Al Paso shooting at the walmart. Then the

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Speaker 10: document covers what it calls anti government or anti authority

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Speaker 10: violent extremism, including the Oklahoma City bombing, the Congressional baseball

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Speaker 10: game shooting, and the recent January sixth attack. I'm going

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Speaker 10: to read a paragraph from Biden's domestic terrorism strategy here

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Speaker 10: to compare quote. Today's domestic terrorists espouse a range of

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Speaker 10: violent ideological motivations. They also take on a variety of forms,

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Speaker 10: from loan actors to small groups of in formally aligned

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Speaker 10: individuals to networks exhorting and targeting violence towards the specific communities,

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Speaker 10: to violent self proclaimed militias. Among that wide range of

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Speaker 10: animating ideologies, racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, particularly those

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Speaker 10: who promote the superiority of the white race, and militia

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Speaker 10: vilencxtremists are assessed as presenting the most persistent and lethal threats.

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Speaker 10: These actors have different motivations, but many focus their violence

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Speaker 10: towards the same segment or segments of the American community,

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Speaker 10: whether persons of color, immigrants, Jews, Muslims, or other religious minorities,

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Speaker 10: women and girls, LGBTQI plus individuals, or others. Their insistence

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01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 10: on violence can at times be explicit. It also can

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Speaker 10: at times be less explicit, lurking in the ideologies rooted

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Speaker 10: in a perception of the superiority of the white race

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Speaker 10: that call for violence in furtherance of preservation and abhorrent

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Speaker 10: notions of racial purity or cleansing. Now, Biden's strategy does

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Speaker 10: later specifically mention quote unquote, anarchist violence, though within the

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Speaker 10: broader context of anti government or anti authority extremism quote.

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Speaker 10: A significant component of today's threat includes self proclaimed militias

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01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 10: and militia violent extremists who take steps to violently resist

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01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 10: government authority or facilitate the overthrow of the US government

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01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 10: based on perceived overreach. Anarchist violent extremists who violently oppose

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Speaker 10: all forms of capitalism, corporate globalization, and governing institutions which

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Speaker 10: they perceive as harmful to society. The document goes on

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01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 10: to mention sovereign citizen violent extremists and other groups that

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01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 10: resist or oppose legislative, regulatory, or other actions taken by

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Speaker 10: the government. And this strategy also names a few single

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Speaker 10: issue ideologies which may motivate violence, like abortion, animal rights,

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Speaker 10: environmental issues, or involuntarily seliment violent extremism. But that little

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Speaker 10: section there is the closest that the Biden's strategy gets

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Speaker 10: to quote unquote left wing violence as Trump would call it.

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Speaker 10: But rather than referring to violence as somewhere on like

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Speaker 10: left right politics, Biden's strategy tries to specifically name the

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Speaker 10: exact motivating factor driving the violence. His document reads, quote,

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Speaker 10: the definition of domestic terrorism in our law makes no

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Speaker 10: distinction based on political views right, left or center, and

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Speaker 10: neither should we unquote. Biden's ag Merk Garland would often

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Speaker 10: say that combating domestic terrorism is about stopping violence, not

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Speaker 10: policing ideology, and quote unquote, violence not ideology was an

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Speaker 10: often repeated refrain during the Biden administration, and this is

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Speaker 10: something that the Biden administration definitely acted on. The FBI

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Speaker 10: investigated Stop Cop City under Biden, and a significant portion

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Speaker 10: of the domestic terror related charges while Biden was in office.

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Speaker 10: We're levied against Stop Coop City protesters by the State

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Speaker 10: of Georgia with investigative assistance from multiple federal agencies, and

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Speaker 10: almost all of whom we're charged with terrorism. We're not

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Speaker 10: actually charged with any specific violent crime.

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Speaker 8: We'll talk more.

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Speaker 10: About the partisan weaponization of terrorism or counter terrorism after

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Speaker 10: some ads.

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Speaker 1: Excellent and we're back.

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Speaker 10: It's such a blast from the past. Like read through

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Speaker 10: all of these Biden counter terrorism manuals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, back in those days. Yeah, it makes makes

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Speaker 2: me nostalgic.

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Speaker 10: It's just a totally different world.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 10: Like it's unfathomable to like think of the federal government

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Speaker 10: now using this kind of language talk about like ethnic

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Speaker 10: cleansing being done by the white supremacist motivated terrorists. It's

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Speaker 10: it's like it's just a totally different, totally different ballgame now.

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Speaker 10: In Trump's A New Strategy, it states that under the

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Speaker 10: Biden admin, US officials quote used their significant powers to

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01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 10: politically target individuals in the interests of those they favored,

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01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 10: wanted to keep in power, or to help win elections unquote.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 10: Under Biden, there was an increase of domestic terrorism related

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Speaker 10: prosecutions following January sixth, plus unrelated felony cases against Trump

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 10: himself and prosecutions of Trump allies related to the Stop

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Speaker 10: This Steal efforts. In twenty twenty two, the DOJ opened

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Speaker 10: a new unit focused on domestic terrorism investigations, and just

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Speaker 10: that year, one hundred million dollars of additional resources were

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Speaker 10: allocated to the DOJFBI, and DHS for countering domestic terrorism.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 10: This increase in focus was correlated to an increase in attacks.

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Speaker 10: The Government Accountability Office reported that between twenty and ten

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Speaker 10: and twenty twenty one, domestic terrorism related investigations had grown

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01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 10: by three hundred and fifty six percent, with two hundred

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01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 10: and thirty one confirmed incidents. According to the DHS, in

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Speaker 10: just Biden's first year of office, the number of FBI

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01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 10: domestic terrorists investigations more than doubled during this time period.

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Speaker 10: The intelligence community classified racially or ethnically motivated violence as

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Speaker 10: the most common type of attack. It's thirty five percent

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Speaker 10: of domestic terrorism, and this category also contributed to the

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01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 10: most debts. The second most common type of attack was

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Speaker 10: anti government or anti authority motivated violent extremism, with thirty

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Speaker 10: two percent of attacks, and that category covered a lot

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01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 10: of different things, including the malicious stuff as well as

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Speaker 10: the anarchist stuff. It depends on who's doing the exact categorization, though, yeah. Now,

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01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 10: the racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists were most likely

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01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 10: to conduct civilian mass casualty attacks, while militia types were

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01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 10: more likely to target law enforcement or government apparatus. In comparison,

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Speaker 10: Trump's new counter terrorism strategy does not contain a single

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01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 10: mention of racially or ethnically motivated by extremism, not one

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01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 10: which is like a which is astounding, right, even like

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Speaker 10: beyond beyond the clear partisan what weaponization like just from

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Speaker 10: a counter terrorism standpoint like this is this is bizarre,

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Speaker 10: This is this is quite quite a choice. The last

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Speaker 10: pillar of Biden's counter terrorist strategy was quote confronting long

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Speaker 10: term contributions to domestic terrorism, like racism, bigotry, religious or

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Speaker 10: ethnic hatred unquote. Meanwhile, Trump's new strategy says that the

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Speaker 10: fearsome powers of the US government must never be abused quote,

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Speaker 10: whether under the guise of de radicalization, protecting our democracy,

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Speaker 10: or any other pretext unquote. Great, which is I don't

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Speaker 10: even know how to respond to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what always yeah, Like what are you supposed

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Speaker 2: to say?

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Speaker 10: I mean it. It demonstrates they're not actually interested in

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Speaker 10: combating what is the most lethal form of domestics no terrorism, No.

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Speaker 2: And they never have been.

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Speaker 8: Even in Trump's first term.

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Speaker 10: At least they moved towards that as the threat was increasing,

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01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 10: But now they just have no interest whatsoever. And actually

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01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 10: like target deradicalization as an example of the fearsome powers

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Speaker 10: of the US government.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the thing that never worked and like never

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Speaker 2: actually did anything. Is the big boogeyman for you guys.

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Speaker 8: Okay, it's wild.

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Speaker 10: The new strategy includes a few examples of US government overreach. Quote.

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Speaker 10: Our nation has not been well served by its intelligence community,

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Speaker 10: which has been mirrored in old ways of looking at threats,

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01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 10: or has been actively weaponized by its leadership as a

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01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 10: political tool, whether plotting against conservative Catholics attending traditional Mass

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Speaker 10: in Virginia, parents standing up for their children at school

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Speaker 10: board meetings, members of Congress, or President Trumpet's associates. This

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Speaker 10: administration will continue to prohibit the intelligence community from being

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Speaker 10: used politically against innocent Americans unquote. So that's the main

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Speaker 10: example of partisan weaponization of the intelligence community. Let's start

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Speaker 10: with this first one, targeting Catholics attending traditional Mass. This

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Speaker 10: refers to a twenty twenty three FBI memo from the

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Speaker 10: Richmond Field Office on how racially or ethnically motivated violent

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Speaker 10: extremists were displaying a growing interest in traditionalist Catholicism up

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Speaker 10: great and how trad Catholic extremist violence could be mitigated

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Speaker 10: by building connections within the church. Sure now, random Latin

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Speaker 10: Mass churchgoers in Virginia were not being investigated. Rather, this

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Speaker 10: memo was discussing the quote unquote growing overlap between the

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Speaker 10: white nationalist movement and quote unquote radical traditionalist Catholics, and

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Speaker 10: how white supremacists may use trad cafe social media to

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Speaker 10: promote violence and recruit. This memo also made a distinction

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Speaker 10: from ordinary traditional Catholics who prefer or Latin mass and

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01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 10: the extremist beliefs and violent rhetoric from what they call

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Speaker 10: radical traditional Catholics what we would just call tradcats like colloquially.

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Speaker 10: After backlash to this memo, the FBI claims to have

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Speaker 10: scrapped it for not meeting the standards of the FBI.

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, we've seen how high those standards are in

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Speaker 2: Cash Betell's era.

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna go out a little bit of like a

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Speaker 10: tangent here because I wanted to get more information about

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Speaker 10: this Richmond Field Office memo and investigation. So it turns

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Speaker 10: out the FBI did monitor a traditionalist priest at a church,

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01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 10: and this church was not considered by the Vatican to

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Speaker 10: be in full communion with the Catholic Church, but it's

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Speaker 10: still Catholic affiliated. This priest refused to speak with the

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Speaker 10: FBI about communications he had with a parisher who was

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Speaker 10: a self described radical traditional Catholic clerical fascist, self described

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01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 10: who was posting about conducting a mass shooting at a

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Speaker 10: special needs school. Are resistance against the government, learning how

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Speaker 10: to manufacture pipe bombs and using untraceable means to purchase

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Speaker 10: supplies to manufacture three D printed weapons. Posting about that

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Speaker 10: on this Catholic account.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing sketchy.

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Speaker 10: So this Nazi was actually previously arrested in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 10: after being overheard making comments about political violence while purchasing

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Speaker 10: a several AR fifteen style rifles, multiple high capacity magazines,

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Speaker 10: and large quantities of two two three ammunition, as well

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Speaker 10: as making online statements advocating civil war and the murder

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Speaker 10: of politicians. Now, after getting out of prison, this guy

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Speaker 10: started attending this traditionalist church and planning an attack. The

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Speaker 10: FBI claims he tried to recruit others with similar belief

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Speaker 10: systems and made comments to churchgoers about his intent to

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Speaker 10: commit violence. He was arrested again and pleaded guilty to

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Speaker 10: possessing a destructive device. So the FBI was looking into

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Speaker 10: this priest because this priest was not talking to them

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Speaker 10: about what the communications were with this Nazi, communications that

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Speaker 10: they know existed, and so they briefly looked into him.

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Speaker 10: This caused a massive backlash among the right. This is

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Speaker 10: where Marjorie Taylor Green was posting about defunding the FBI.

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Speaker 10: A lot of the dismantled FBI stuff coming from the

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Speaker 10: right was based on this incident of the FBI, you know,

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Speaker 10: targeting conservative churchgoers. Little side tangent there. The other main

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Speaker 10: example from the Trump counter terrorism strategy refers to parents

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Speaker 10: and school boards. This is in reference to a letter

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Speaker 10: from the National school Boards Association requesting federal intervention into

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Speaker 10: the harassment, threats and attacks against school boards in twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty one. And this letter read, in part quote, these

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Speaker 10: heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of

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Speaker 10: domestic terror and hate crimes unquote. After this letter was sent,

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Speaker 10: the ag Mayork Garland announced that the government was going

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Speaker 10: to look into these threats. This too, sparked a huge

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Speaker 10: backlash from the right, claiming that the FBI was investigating

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Speaker 10: parents for terrorism. There was congressional hearings, and a month later,

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Speaker 10: the National school Board Association apologized for some of the

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Speaker 10: language they included in this letter. So those are the

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Speaker 10: two man examples of this of this horrendous government overreach

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Speaker 10: and weaponization of the intelligence community against innocent Americans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I mean, it's just it's frustrating how

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Speaker 2: like reality doesn't matter at all here, But like what

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Speaker 2: is the point of even like going in and line

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Speaker 2: by line here's everything that's wrong with that. I don't

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Speaker 2: even know anymore.

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Speaker 10: No, it's not a matter of convincing. It's often a

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Speaker 10: matter of just holding my sanity together, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, No, it's important to like look at

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Speaker 2: it and to some extent document how bullshit it is.

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Speaker 2: But it's also just like it's incredibly frustrating to like

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Speaker 2: see this fucking tradcat priest get away with shit that

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Speaker 2: like people would go to prison for if the ideologies

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Speaker 2: were reversed.

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Speaker 10: You know, yeah, sure you if you switch this stuff around,

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Speaker 10: you can imagine how the Trump administration would be handling it. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: a unitarian pastor righting planning some kind of attack with

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Speaker 10: like an Antifa supercilgier well.

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Speaker 2: Or just if you've got like a unitarian pastor or whatever,

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Speaker 2: like someone who is tangentially attached to someone left wing

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Speaker 2: who was like posting about carrying out an attack, like,

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Speaker 2: the level of backlash would be higher and would hurt

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Speaker 2: more people.

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Speaker 10: No, horrendous, We've seen stuff like that happen. The sections

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Speaker 10: on left wing terrorism in this new strategy actually only

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Speaker 10: make up a few paragraphs of this sixteen page document.

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Speaker 10: So what is the rest of this counter terrorism strategy

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Speaker 10: really about? Then? The first priority is the quote neutralization

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Speaker 10: of hemispheric terror threats by incapacitating cartel operations un quote.

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Speaker 10: The primary threat is the so called narco terrorists previously mentioned,

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Speaker 10: And this term narco terrorists was invented in the eighties

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Speaker 10: by the President of Peru to describe attacks on the

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Speaker 10: police by drug traffickers, but since then the term has

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Speaker 10: come to mean a variety of things. In this new strategy,

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Speaker 10: Trump doesn't just consider drug trafficking as a means to

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Speaker 10: fund terrorist groups, but also implies that drug overdoses themselves

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Speaker 10: constitute a form of terrorism.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 10: Quote. The borderless America created by the Biden administration was

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Speaker 10: so badly exploited by threat actors that during one twelve

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Speaker 10: month period, more Americans died as a result of illicit

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Speaker 10: drugs flooded into the country by the cartels than all

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Speaker 10: the US servicemen killed in combat since nineteen forty five. Unquote.

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Speaker 2: I just look at those numbers for cigarettes. Let's just

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Speaker 2: stand tobacco in. Let's just throw tobacco into the mix

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Speaker 2: sea that. Oh, does it dwarf every other drug related

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Speaker 2: death till combined? Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 10: Obviously an absurd statement. Yeah, but I think It is

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Speaker 10: crucial to understanding how the administration is operating by understanding

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Speaker 10: that they consider drug overdoses to be terrorism. And that's

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Speaker 10: a big part of how they're able to do what

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Speaker 10: they're currently doing is by weaponizing terrorism as a category.

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Speaker 10: The strategy later considers illicit fentanyl and its core precursor

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Speaker 10: chemicals to be weapons of mass destruction. Sure right, this

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Speaker 10: is the same category of weapons as nuclear bombs. That

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Speaker 10: is how they categorize it. Technically, when the US government

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Speaker 10: uses the term terrorism, it's supposed to mean activities that

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Speaker 10: involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation

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Speaker 10: of the criminal laws of the United States or any state,

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Speaker 10: that appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a

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Speaker 10: civilian population, to influence the policy of a government by

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Speaker 10: intimidation or coersion, or to affect the conduct of the

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Speaker 10: government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping. It's really that

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Speaker 10: that last half that constitutes the terrorism part that separates

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Speaker 10: terrorism from just any crime. It's the intent to intimidate

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Speaker 10: or coerce civilian populations or influence the government. But the

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Speaker 10: FBI defines international terrorism as quote violent criminal acts committed

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Speaker 10: by individuals and or groups who are inspired by or

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Speaker 10: associated with designated foreign terrorist organizations unquote. So if you

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Speaker 10: designate a group of foreign terrorist organization, that means that

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Speaker 10: what they are doing is terrorism. And that last bit

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Speaker 10: leads us to Trump's kind of core strategy to combat

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Speaker 10: drug trafficking, designating cartels and transnational gangs as foreign terrorist organizations,

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Speaker 10: which will quote make available additional intelligence authorities and denying

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Speaker 10: disrupt their financial streams and access to the United States unquote.

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Speaker 10: After the designation, Trump authorized quote dozens of strikes by

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Speaker 10: the Department of War against cartel drug boats, resulting in

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Speaker 10: a more than ninety percent decrease in maritime drug smuggling

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Speaker 10: into the United States unquote. Citation needed. Yeah, we will

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Speaker 10: get into the second priority of the counter terrorist strategy

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Speaker 10: after these ad breaks. All right, we are back for

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Speaker 10: our last section here. Let's start by talking about the

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Speaker 10: second priority of the counter terrorism strategy released last week.

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Speaker 10: The second is the targeting and destruction of Islamist terror groups,

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Speaker 10: especially Al Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula and isis k.

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Speaker 10: Trump's new strategy blames continuing jie hottist plots against Americans

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Speaker 10: quote in part because of the failed forever war policies,

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Speaker 10: the empowerment of terror supporting regimes like Iran, and a

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Speaker 10: past unwillingness to challenge Islamist ideologies head on unquote. So

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Speaker 10: how's that going? How's that going? I haven't I haven't

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Speaker 10: checked the news in about three months, Robert, can you

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Speaker 10: briefly fill me in?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no problems.

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Speaker 10: It's flied.

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Speaker 2: Everything's fine.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we solve all the failed forever war policies.

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Speaker 2: We did no more forever wars. We've got a short war,

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Speaker 2: but it's one of our shortest garrison.

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Speaker 10: Iran is in no way empowered.

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Speaker 2: I can't. I can't tell you how short this war

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Speaker 2: is at the moment, you know, incredibly short war.

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Speaker 10: Iran is an exercising economic influence over the whole world

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Speaker 10: right now.

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Speaker 2: I know you think that this has albin a disaster,

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Speaker 2: but I'm going to put on a graph how long

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Speaker 2: World War II lasted next to how long this little

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Speaker 2: adventure in Iran has lasted, and you tell me if

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Speaker 2: it's a problem. Mmmmmm, Wow, one of those numbers is

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Speaker 2: bigger than the other.

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Speaker 8: Yes, we're fine.

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Speaker 10: It's wild. It's absolutely that shit that they have this

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Speaker 10: in here yeah, like, yeah, it's so funny, it's insane.

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Speaker 10: So the document talks about Islamist terrorism in Asia, Africa,

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Speaker 10: the Middle East, and Europe for over four pages. It

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Speaker 10: takes up a significant chunk of the strategy. These sections

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Speaker 10: of the document largely mirror Trump's National security strategy from

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Speaker 10: last year and talks about how quote unfed mass migration

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Speaker 10: in Europe has been the transmission belt for terrorists, and

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Speaker 10: discusses the need for quote honest conversations about Islamism and

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01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 10: how hostile groups exploit open borders and related globalist ideals.

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01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 10: The more these alien cultures grow and the longer current

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Speaker 10: European policies persist, the more terrorism is guaranteed. As the

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Speaker 10: birthplace of Western culture and values. Europe must act now

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01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 10: to halt its willful decline unquote.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 10: One of the more explicitly fascist sections of this strategy,

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Speaker 10: Trump's new CT strategy does discuss the integration of counter

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Speaker 10: cartel and counter terrorism efforts, saying it allows the US

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Speaker 10: to quote disrupt the shared networks, financing and logistical routes

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Speaker 10: used by both designated drug traffickers and Islamist terrorists unquote.

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Speaker 10: The main success story of this strategy is the capture

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Speaker 10: of Maduro quote, the illegitimate leader of Venezuela, a cartel

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Speaker 10: boss in league with terror sponsor Oroan and its terror

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01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 10: proxy Hezbolah un quote. We've talked about this strategy for

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Speaker 10: like thirty five minutes, and you may have noticed that

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Speaker 10: so far we've really just talked about identifying targets with

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01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 10: very little discussion actually on actual strategy on how to

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Speaker 10: counter these threats. That's because the document has very little

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Speaker 10: on actual strategy to counter these threats. It lays out

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Speaker 10: three steps for countering terrorism, identifying terror actors and plots

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Speaker 10: before they happen, cutting off their arms, funding and recruiting streams,

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Speaker 10: and ultimately destroy the established threat group. Methods for going

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Speaker 10: about this are quote a series of similar, high intensity

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Speaker 10: but short campaigns against jihadist groups love to see that happen,

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Speaker 10: as well as sanctions, shadow fleet, oil tanker interdiction, and

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Speaker 10: covert operations to disrupt funding and state sponsorship of terrorism.

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Speaker 10: That's it. That is really the bulk of like the

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Speaker 10: actual strategy of how to do this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the important thing to remember for all

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Speaker 2: that's scary about this, and for all, like the people

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01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 2: freaking out, and not to say if there's nothing to

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01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 2: be concerned about. This is the government saying this. They

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Speaker 2: have a lot of ability to fuck with. People certainly

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01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 2: should be concerned about this, but at the same time,

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Speaker 2: don't forget they don't know what they're doing or have

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Speaker 2: a real plan for most of what they're doing.

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Speaker 8: No like this is.

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Speaker 2: Hacked together, cobbled together, and executed by people who don't

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Speaker 2: know what they're doing and at least in one major case,

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01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 2: are drunk all the time.

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Speaker 10: Now, it's pretty stunning to compare this to the twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty one BIND one, which is very, very complicated in

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Speaker 10: laying out actual strategy to dismantle domestic terrorist operations, and

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01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 10: this just this lacks a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 10: the same strategic outlook. Lastly, the strategy outlines current functional

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Speaker 10: aspects of the threat environment. That's the term at use

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01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 10: this functional aspects. These are like complicating factors. I'll go

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Speaker 10: through these line by line. New and evolving collaboration between

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01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,719
Speaker 10: nation states and threat groups such as cartels, alliances between

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01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 10: established terror groups, exploitation of new weapons like drones by

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01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 10: cartels and jihttists, the remaining threat of terrorists acquiring and

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Speaker 10: using nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, which President Trump has

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Speaker 10: rightly labeled the single greatest threat to this world unquote.

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Speaker 10: All of this stuff is like Bush era terrorism stuff,

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01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 10: Like this is all very outdated, not necessarily outdated, but

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01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 10: like it's not cutting edge. I guessed what is what

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Speaker 10: would be the more correct way of putting this, Like

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Speaker 10: you're just talking about drones now in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: But another one of these quote unquote functional aspects is

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Speaker 10: quote new and deepening alliances between the far left and Islamists,

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01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 10: i e. The Red Green Alliance unquote. This really just

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01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 10: takes up a single line. They don't expound on this.

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Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure this would relate to like pro Palestine protests.

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Speaker 10: Do is this relates people on the far left either

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01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 10: supporting Hamas or just generally being pro Palestine or anti Israel.

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Speaker 10: That's what they're calling a Red Green Alliance.

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01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's just like a throwaway alive. But I

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01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 10: thought it's worth including just because of how odd it is,

1513
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 10: Like it really stands out. It's at like the middle

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01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 10: to end of the document, way after they actually do

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01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 10: their like three paragraphs on left wing extremism. They just

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01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 10: kind of throw that in there as a new complicating factor. Yeah,

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01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 10: of course, So what does this all mean for the left?

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01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 10: Almost nothing in here that pertains to left isn't already

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01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,959
Speaker 10: in National Security Potential Memorandum number seven. This new strategy

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01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,440
Speaker 10: does not designate trans people as a class as terrorists,

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01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 10: nor does it categorize trans people as nihilistic violent extremists,

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01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:04,440
Speaker 10: like some have previously reported, in essentially states like NSPM

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01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:10,480
Speaker 10: seven that being extremely pro transgender can be a motivating

1524
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:14,919
Speaker 10: factor in carrying out terroristic violence, and the only example

1525
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 10: provided is the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which we still

1526
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:22,480
Speaker 10: don't have an illuminated motive for besides the suspect allegedly

1527
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 10: expressing frustration at Kirk for spreading vaguely defined hate. The

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01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 10: strategy claims, quote, our counter terrorism powers will not be

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01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 10: used to target our fellow Americans who simply disagree with us.

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01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 10: We will not permit the weaponization of America's unparalleled counter

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01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 10: terrorism capabilities for partisan purposes quote, despite clear political weaponization

1532
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 10: and Gorka specifically specifically mentioning that we're going to be

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01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 10: countering ideology now. A way to kind of explain what's

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01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 10: going on here, Like think about racially motivated or ethnically

1535
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 10: motivated violent extremism. Being racist isn't illegal, but if someone

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01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 10: threatens to shoot up a black church because they are racist,

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01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 10: then that qualifies as racially motivated bilent extremism. The Trump

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01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 10: administration is basically using the same mo against people with

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01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 10: left wing, anarchist or anti fascist views to either stop

1540
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 10: crimes before they occur, or crack down harder on people

1541
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 10: or groups who have committed crimes motivated by those ideologies.

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01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,440
Speaker 10: The Joint Terrorism Task Forces were already directed to investigate

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01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 10: Antifa aligned groups and individuals quote engaged in acts of

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01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 10: political violence and intimidation, and that's been happening since at

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01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 10: least October of twenty twenty five. What's in this documents

1546
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,879
Speaker 10: already been in effect for a while, and we've already

1547
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 10: seen some of the results of this in the federal

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01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 10: Prairie Land trial last February, following the shooting of a

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01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,799
Speaker 10: cop outside an immigration detention facility in Texas last summer.

1550
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 10: The government in that case used the specter of Antifa

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01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 10: to link a group of defendants together and argue for

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01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 10: ideological motive, and a federal jury convicted eight people of riot, conspiracy,

1553
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:14,560
Speaker 10: and material support to terrorists, even if each individual defendant

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01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 10: did not commit an act of violence. Yeah, So there's

1555
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 10: cases like that, and then there's also cases against the SPLC, which,

1556
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 10: while the government hasn't specifically said are part of their

1557
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 10: anti antifa investigations, you can see some similar through lines there.

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01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, in a broad.

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01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 10: Sense, that's how it relates to like current left wing activism. Right,

1560
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 10: the sort of threats and risk that has existed really

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01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 10: ever since Trump took office, but especially after the Antifa

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01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 10: Terrorism Executive Order and National Security Postential memorid AM number

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01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 10: seven are still in effect. That is still the same

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01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 10: level of risk. This document doesn't introduce anything new.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 10: Overall, what this strategy tries to do is connect all

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01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 10: of the ideological targets of this administration, right, put them

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01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 10: onto a map, intersecting each other. That's what it's doing

1569
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,839
Speaker 10: with this Red Green alliance. So it's trying to connect

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01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 10: all of these ideological targets while expounding on Trump's justification

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01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 10: for mass deportations of suspected cartel members, military strikes on

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01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 10: boats in the Western Hemisphere, regime change in Venezuela, and

1573
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 10: the ongoing war in the Middle East. That is really

1574
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 10: most of what the document's trying to do is actually

1575
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 10: build up the counter terrorism justification for all of Trump's

1576
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 10: military actions. And that's one thing that has I guess

1577
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 10: slightly frustrated me in people's discussion of this new strategy

1578
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 10: that a lot of it's based on threats to left

1579
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 10: wing activists in the United States, while not really focusing

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01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 10: on the bulk of the document, which is building the

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01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 10: justification for Trump's murderous military actions around the world. Right,

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01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:54,560
Speaker 10: actions that are blowing up people in boats, bombing schools

1583
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 10: in Iran, things that have like a sizable death count,

1584
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 10: and the sort of logistical and theoretical framework that Trump

1585
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 10: is building through this document does have really really devastating

1586
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 10: lethal consequences, And I guess that's what I wanted to

1587
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 10: focus on a little bit, a little bit more, rather

1588
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 10: than just the targeting of left wing extremists.

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01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, well fun, I guess we'll see what

1590
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 2: happens next.

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01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, we're gonna see them continue to carry

1592
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 10: this out. Yeah, both domestically against left wing activists and overseas,

1593
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 10: including like right now, right, this is what they're doing

1594
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 10: in Iran, they're talking about Cuba. This strategy does not

1595
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 10: grant them any new powers, but it does give us

1596
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 10: a look into how they are thinking about regime change

1597
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 10: and the Donro doctrid.

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01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Jesus. It's also dumb.

1599
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 10: This US domination of the Western hemisphere. And I think

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01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 10: that's really the core of what's driving this document, is

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01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 10: the US domination of the Western hemisphere, rather than explicit

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01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 10: political persecution of ideological left wing enemies, which is of

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01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 10: course still a factor. It's still a thing to be

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01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 10: concerned about and monitoring and fighting back against.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, all right, guys, and that does it for

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01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 2: us today? Huh yeah, let's nobody elsewhere, all right, see

1608
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 2: you around.

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Speaker 9: Humanity is not a parasite, but the systems we collectively

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01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 9: uphold today are certainly parasitic. They maintain their hold on

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01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 9: us due to our interdependence as we rely on each

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01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 9: other to survive. And these systems, as destructive as they are, are,

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01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 9: how we know how to cooperate. And they also maintain

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01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 9: their whole of course, through ideology, the sets of ideas

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01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 9: about the world carried through religion, philosophy, politics, education, culture,

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01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 9: et cetera. And to some extent they maintain their hold

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01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 9: through violence, and I believe we must break free from

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01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 9: this parasitism. I believe there are other ways of relating

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01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 9: with each other with nature, and I'll talk about those

1620
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 9: ways at the end. By the way, hello and welcome.

1621
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 9: It could happen here. I'm andrews Age Andrewism on YouTube,

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01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 9: and I'm joined today by.

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Speaker 8: Mia Wong also here. Yeah, we're doing great interest, yepee.

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Speaker 9: So I want to talk about parsism, the development of

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01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 9: paristism over time, as discussed in Samuel Milla McDonald's book Progress,

1626
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 9: which I highly recommend quite an enjoyable read. So I

1627
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 9: actually really first heard about that book years ago before

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01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 9: it was even out, and I had reached out and

1629
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 9: I was like, oh, I would love to, you know,

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01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 9: get a copy as soon as it's available and talk

1631
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 9: about it and stuff. And you know, I was at

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01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,919
Speaker 9: that point in my life, I was really voraciously consuming

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01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 9: these kind of grand narratives of history. And of course

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01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 9: we know the flowers with these grand narratives. They have

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01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 9: limited explanatory power. But I still found use in these

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01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 9: narratives and understanding aspects and angles of our history. At

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Speaker 9: least when you take a critical approach to them, because

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01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 9: I mean history is, as the name implies, a story.

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01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 9: You know, there are many interpretations and frameworks that can

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01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 9: be used to explain or better understand different aspects of history,

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01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 9: and so progress offers one framework through its three eras

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01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 9: of focus. Of course, history isn't actually so linear. Different

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01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 9: forms can co exist, forms can come and go. It

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01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:51,600
Speaker 9: is in this sequential development as is sometimes posed. But

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01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 9: there are trends that we can observe. And so these

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01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 9: three phases that McDonald discusses identifies particular ideas of progress,

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01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 9: forms of parisitism, and agents of history. And I think

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01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:09,520
Speaker 9: it's a very compelling connection between the theology, politics, economics

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01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 9: and ecology that intertwined to make up history. Obviously not

1650
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,799
Speaker 9: perfectly accurate, but I think it helps us to see

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01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 9: certain tendencies more clearly. So we can look at a

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01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 9: lot of the anarchist approaches or anarchist adjacent approaches to

1653
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:31,720
Speaker 9: tracing the development of the state in history. You know, Pt.

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01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 9: Gal Loose had worship and power. JAMEC. Scott has against

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01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 9: the Green and in progress, although I don't think he

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01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 9: is anarchist anarchist a jacent in progress McDonald's starts with

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01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 9: the beginning of recorded civilization in three thousand BCE and

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01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 9: looks at the way that many early states developed from

1659
01:33:55,400 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 9: a blend of religion, politics, and daily life. So, I

1660
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 9: mean humans had lived for hundreds of thousands of years

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01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 9: before recorded history, right, they spread across the globe. They

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01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,759
Speaker 9: experimented with all kinds of different social, political, and economic

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01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 9: organizations that are now lost. The Time and the Dawn

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01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 9: of Everything by David Krieber and David wen Grew kind

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01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 9: of wrestles with some of this. In the early years

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01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 9: of recorded history, there were many manners of approach to

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01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:30,719
Speaker 9: state development. From roughly three thousand BCE to fourteen hundred CE.

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01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 9: This is the first phase of McDonald's timeline. Human societies

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01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 9: such as Mesopotamia, Egypt, China, meso America, and medieval Europe

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01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 9: saw a combination of hierarchy with cosmology. McDonald calls this

1671
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 9: phase Heaven in the book, not to co sign it

1672
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 9: as an ideal, but to illustrate the prominence of religious

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01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 9: power in this time period. And me I know, even

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01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 9: hosting recently about the impact of religion and the seeming

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01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 9: has its uns people have nowadays about actually engaging with

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01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 9: what it means materially for the experience of domination in

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01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 9: our day to day lives.

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01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, and this some thing you can you can

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01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 8: look at sort of in that period is the emergence

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01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:24,600
Speaker 8: of states alongside sort of the emergence of temple complexes

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01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,600
Speaker 8: as the thing that creates a bunch of the administrative systems.

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01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:32,600
Speaker 8: Greer talks about this, I think debt actually, where a

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01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 8: bunch of sort of the administrative systems that would become

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01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 8: like credit, are these things that are developed in order

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Speaker 8: to sort of track resources moving into these giant temple complexes,

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01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 8: and so you have the situation where, you know, the

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01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 8: things that are going to become the building blocks of

1688
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 8: economics and exploitation for every single subsequent period in history

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01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 8: are developed in order to in order to fuel these

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01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 8: sort of hierarchical massive complexes where just staggering amounts of

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01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:05,440
Speaker 8: resources are like fueled into into these sort of temple complexes.

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01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,560
Speaker 8: And that's a you know, that's a thing that continues

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01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 8: to current present day.

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Speaker 9: Indeed, you know, indeed we have we have temple complex

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01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 9: like what is temple complexes in the sense of megachurches nowadays.

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01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like what is what is the megachurch, but

1697
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 8: like the temple complex is force.

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01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. That's the thing, right, Like we

1699
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 9: are seeing an echo of this historical time period even

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01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 9: in the present, because the idea of progress in this

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01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 9: time and in these places was about progressing toward a

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01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:45,440
Speaker 9: higher alignment with the divine order, the will of the gods,

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01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 9: you know, ensuring that different groups of people were in

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01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 9: their proper place in that order. And so you had

1705
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 9: the development of religious laws and theologies and monumental architecture

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01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 9: which established this particular kind of order. And when disasters struck,

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01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 9: whether it be floods or drought, certain vasions, this was

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01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 9: a sign, a sign of the times perhaps.

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Speaker 4: That the order was breaking down.

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Speaker 9: And so it's really funny to me that, you know,

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01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 9: in this progressive account of the idea of progress that

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01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 9: McDonald's talking about, you know, even the earlier ideas of

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01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 9: progress have not entirely gone away. You know, they haven't

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01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 9: been replaced by the next era. They have just taken

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01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,640
Speaker 9: on subtler forms, and sometimes not as subtler forms.

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01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's there's a concept that the journal Chwang uses

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01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 8: where I mean they're specifically talking about like the ways

1718
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 8: that elements of like the Chinese, I guess you call

1719
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 8: it the socialist regime are sort of taken and then

1720
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 8: used in the capitalist regime. They go to this thing

1721
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 8: from biology called exceptati where something like evolutionarily that was

1722
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 8: used for a different purpose is like repurposed for a

1723
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 8: new thing. So it's like, you know, you've like finn

1724
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 8: becomes hand like that. I'm a lot of great biologists,

1725
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 8: but this is this kind of thing where like you

1726
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 8: have this situation where like, yeah, elements of like the

1727
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 8: old notion of what progress was of like the sort

1728
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 8: of centralized hierarchical complexes of religion are like excapated by

1729
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 8: the next thing that's going to happen, and that's taken

1730
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 8: by the next thing, which is taken by the next thing,

1731
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 8: and we still have our sort of like versions of

1732
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 8: it that have been taken through like countless numbers of

1733
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 8: world systems.

1734
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I definitely see that. Of course, there were

1735
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 9: differences and how they would have i think approached religion

1736
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 9: and thoughts of religion compared to how we do yep

1737
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 9: psychologically in a time like that that they didn't really

1738
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 9: have this more prominent psychocoulturally accepted secular line set that

1739
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 9: we have today, where religion it could even be seen

1740
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 9: as something separate from everything else. You know, for them,

1741
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:59,839
Speaker 9: religion was whole reality, worked the seasons, the hardest illness,

1742
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 9: Victorian War. All of this was interpreted through a sacred lens.

1743
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 9: People knew what place they had in the cosmos, or

1744
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 9: at least thought about it in that lens, and they

1745
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 9: understood what role they had in the divine hierarchy. On

1746
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 9: a material basis, though, because I mean we do have

1747
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 9: to think materially and not solely ideologically, these societies engage

1748
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 9: in what McDonald called continuous and regional parasitism to extract

1749
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 9: resources like food, labor, and land. And the agents of

1750
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 9: this paris are city states, kingdoms, and empires. On the

1751
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 9: city state level, you had them dominating their immediate hinterlends,

1752
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 9: and on an empire level, their conquerringe neighbors, done for

1753
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 9: either integration and taxation or tribute or slavery. But due

1754
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 9: to the limits of the technology of the time, you know,

1755
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 9: they didn't have the instant communication and fast transportation that

1756
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 9: we do today, there were limits to how far an

1757
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 9: empire could spread. Even the largest empires had their limits

1758
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 9: and would often devolve power or fracture. Tensions would begin

1759
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 9: to build as growing empires struggled to uphold central authority.

1760
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 9: Belief systems came into conflict, and contact and intellectual traditions developed.

1761
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 9: Over time, governance would get more bureaucratic, religions would face

1762
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 9: reform due to challenges from within, and by the time

1763
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 9: that we approached the late medieval period around the thirteen

1764
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 9: hundreds and fourteen hundreds, at least from a europe focused

1765
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:36,719
Speaker 9: account or Old World focused account, the world is indeed

1766
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 9: change it. Transition has begun from this heaven phase to

1767
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 9: the next phase in McDonald's framework, as in the nation

1768
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:59,680
Speaker 9: phase from fourteen hundred to nineteen hundred, where we move

1769
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 9: away from a world of cosmic order to a world

1770
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 9: more distinctly human, a world of human order religion phasis,

1771
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 9: of course, but authority has begun to move from the

1772
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 9: heavens down to Earth, an earth that could be observed,

1773
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 9: could be measured, navigated and controlled by human beings. And

1774
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 9: so we see this in this time with the emergence

1775
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 9: of the sciences and the emergence of newly minted political

1776
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 9: theories and the idea of progress. In this time was

1777
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 9: redefined as expanding knowledge, increase in efficiency, mastering the environment,

1778
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 9: hence the scientific revolution, the Enlightenment, advances and navigation and

1779
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:47,520
Speaker 9: so on, and consequently parasitism as a process becomes more disposed.

1780
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 9: Extraction would stretch across continents and would be carried by

1781
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 9: maritime tree routes taken resources from different parts of the world,

1782
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 9: including sugar, cotton, spices, metal, and labor, all flowing through

1783
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 9: increasingly complex global systems and increasingly industrial supply chains. As

1784
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 9: wealth starts accumulating in certain regions thanks the extraction of others,

1785
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 9: you know, the rich is being built up in one

1786
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 9: place because of the poverty being developed in another place.

1787
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 9: As the agents of this time of the kingdoms and empires,

1788
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 9: but also newly minted corporate charters and nation states. And

1789
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 9: to be clear, I'm not trying to say that these

1790
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 9: are the sole agents history in any of these particular periods,

1791
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 9: which is that they were significant. I don't want to

1792
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 9: deny the role of you know, the politics from below

1793
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:47,720
Speaker 9: the rabble, as Graba sometimes refers to them, would have

1794
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 9: also shaped the development of history.

1795
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's also worth noting too. And there's

1796
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 8: something you were talking about from the top. But as

1797
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 8: with all of these sort of like really really broad

1798
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:03,600
Speaker 8: sweet books at history, this is capturing trends in a

1799
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 8: few places in the worlds as they moved. There are

1800
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:13,440
Speaker 8: obviously many, many, many other things that are also coexisting

1801
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 8: with all of these systems at the same time. The

1802
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:21,599
Speaker 8: entire world in like two thousand BC is not just

1803
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 8: like mirror images of like the Shang dynasty everywhere right Like,

1804
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:30,600
Speaker 8: there's a whole plethora of different systems that are interacting

1805
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 8: with each other from I mean, I can't even there's

1806
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 8: just an unbelievable sort of diversity of like cultural forms,

1807
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 8: some of which are states, some of which are not.

1808
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 8: But yeah, when you're doing a macrohistory like this, you

1809
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 8: are looking at certain sets of thems and matching patterns

1810
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 8: with them. But that also is not We're also not

1811
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 8: saying here but that's literally everything that is happening on earth,

1812
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,640
Speaker 8: because it's not. Yeah, but yeah, just just want to

1813
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 8: get that in for the people who are gonna get

1814
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,640
Speaker 8: very mad about this, which you are aware of the

1815
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 8: presence of other narratives. We have we have we have

1816
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 8: we have done our postmodernism training, we have done our

1817
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:07,680
Speaker 8: historical archaeological stuff. I just.

1818
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 9: Of course, of course, and like I was saying, they

1819
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 9: had these other agents, but for this particular narrative of

1820
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:22,640
Speaker 9: focusing on the kingdoms, the empires, the corporate charters, and

1821
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 9: the nation states. And in the nation states, we take

1822
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 9: them for granted now, but they really were not always

1823
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 9: a thing. You know, the idea of a group of

1824
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:35,280
Speaker 9: people with a shared identity, language, culture, and history being

1825
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 9: artificially i would say, unified under a state. It has

1826
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 9: to be constructed and enforced through violence and assimilation. You know,

1827
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 9: you didn't have this concept of France until France was built,

1828
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 9: and the whole world has suffered as a result. You know. Yeah,

1829
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 9: we didn't have this concept of Italy. You didn't have

1830
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:59,799
Speaker 9: this concept of of of Nigeria, you didn't have this concept.

1831
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 9: These nation states had to be constructed.

1832
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1833
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 8: Even China, which is seen as like the sort of

1834
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 8: archetypical example of this, Like we have a bunch of

1835
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 8: records of people in the fifteen hundreds, and I think

1836
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:14,640
Speaker 8: even through the sixteen hundreds, like going and talking to

1837
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 8: people in China and being like, yeah, you're in China

1838
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:19,760
Speaker 8: and the people are talking to are like, what the

1839
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:24,639
Speaker 8: fuck is China. What are you talking about? Like, we're

1840
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 8: like under this ruler, who's under this ruler, who's under

1841
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 8: this ruler? Who's like yeah, exactly, you know. So yeah,

1842
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:33,799
Speaker 8: these things have to be constructed, and they were constructed

1843
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:35,480
Speaker 8: a lot more recently than people.

1844
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 9: Think, and then to actually get people to identify with

1845
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 9: them also has to be constructed over generations in some cases.

1846
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, and usually by you know, a process in which

1847
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 8: I mean the only way to cause people to have

1848
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:51,599
Speaker 8: a positive identification with like a specific new bounded national

1849
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:56,040
Speaker 8: territorial identity is to have it be posed against an other.

1850
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 8: So yeah, what of these? What of these? Also, like

1851
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,160
Speaker 8: the question of the national like the twentieth century national

1852
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 8: liberation movements, this when you get like, for example, like

1853
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 8: pan Arabism, it's like, okay, like whose national liberation is this?

1854
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 8: Because sure as fuck is not like the Kurds or Yazidis.

1855
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 8: It's you know, yeah. This is all of which is

1856
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 8: to say what you were saying, which is this is

1857
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 8: a violent and bloody process that is a lot more

1858
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 8: recent that people understand.

1859
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:28,759
Speaker 9: Absolutely, this time also saw a lot of revolutions bloody indeed,

1860
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 9: you know, the rise and fall of old powers and

1861
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 9: new powers. And this is also a phase. I think

1862
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 9: they could be marked by its contradictions. You know, you

1863
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:45,679
Speaker 9: had this rise in side of ideas like liberty and rights,

1864
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 9: and you know, liberalism was developed in this period, as

1865
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 9: was socialism. But you also had obviously this vast industrial

1866
01:46:55,800 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 9: exploitation of people's and ecologies. We saw the dire event

1867
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 9: of the sciences and scientific classifications, but you also saw

1868
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 9: how that gave way to pseudo scientific justifications for inequality.

1869
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 9: You know, the create chain of being, the idea of

1870
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 9: the whit's being on top of everyone else. Yeah, you

1871
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:20,640
Speaker 9: saw a self determination for some and self determination not

1872
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 9: so much for others. As by the time we reached

1873
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:27,280
Speaker 9: the eighteen hundreds, the piece of change was exceedingly traumatic

1874
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 9: and volatile. Industrialization, urbanization, communication and transportation converged to compress

1875
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:38,600
Speaker 9: time and space. We see the booth of new ideas

1876
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 9: and reformed relations, and by the time we reached the

1877
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 9: early twentieth century a new phase is taken shape. We

1878
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 9: are now in what McDonald's calls the system phase, spanning

1879
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 9: from nineteen hundred to the present day. The system, the machine,

1880
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 9: whatever you want to call it, is this fast, interconnected

1881
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 9: set of systems that organize we live, produce, consume, and

1882
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 9: even think. The system does not have you know, a

1883
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 9: single king or figurehead that you can point to as

1884
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:11,599
Speaker 9: the big bad, despite I think people's efforts to try

1885
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,720
Speaker 9: and find a big bad. It's really a web of

1886
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 9: processes and incentives and networks and complex bureaucracies and global

1887
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 9: markets and industrial and post industrial economies and mass communication

1888
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 9: and the underground economy and all these different things chugging

1889
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 9: along almost like it's beastly bloodthirst is something benign. Forgive

1890
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:35,919
Speaker 9: the alliteration and like to throw in out of poetry

1891
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 9: every once in a while. So the idea of progress

1892
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 9: becomes very economistic in this period. It's focused on growth, output, productivity, efficiency.

1893
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 9: Our entire economy is basically organized around these metrics. That's

1894
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 9: the thing that people are worrying about when they're on

1895
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:59,599
Speaker 9: Fox Business or whatever, the Financial Times, whatever spaces of

1896
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,799
Speaker 9: dialogue about the economy. The focus is not on actually

1897
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 9: all of people's needs being met. It's what's what's growth?

1898
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 9: Looking like this quarta? How efficient how we exploit in

1899
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 9: the planet.

1900
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm still going to be haunted forever by that.

1901
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:16,479
Speaker 8: The clip on CNBC that we played in the ED

1902
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 8: a few weeks ago whenever this is coming out, where

1903
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 8: the CNBC anchor goes, Trump has threatened to wipe out

1904
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 8: a civilization. What does this mean for investors?

1905
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:31,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, I saw that. I saw that.

1906
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 8: That's horrifying, haunting, haunting shit.

1907
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 9: The way that our economy has been built around these

1908
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:42,280
Speaker 9: metrics is truly horrifying. And you also see the idea

1909
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:47,720
Speaker 9: of progress in this time tends toward the economistic, you know,

1910
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 9: the inevitability of globalization, the ideological victory of capitalism, and

1911
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:57,720
Speaker 9: so on, and pastism in this system phase is as

1912
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 9: the name implies, systemic quote directly from the book, contiguous

1913
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:07,599
Speaker 9: parstism had captured energy from additionous societies and native, wild

1914
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 9: and domestic species. This is the parstism of the first phase.

1915
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 9: Disparate parasitism, meanwhile, had captured energy from additionous societies, imperial subjects,

1916
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 9: and both exotic wild and intensively domesticated species abroad. And

1917
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 9: that's the second phase. And so the new form, networked

1918
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:29,840
Speaker 9: parstism captured energy from all of these as well, but

1919
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 9: with the addition of ancient species of plant to animal

1920
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 9: in the form of fossils, this enabled concrete energy capture

1921
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:42,760
Speaker 9: through increase in electrification, and then the digitization and extraction

1922
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:47,719
Speaker 9: and production and abstract energy capture from extremely large, dense

1923
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 9: populations of urban subjects. Though the foundations of this system

1924
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 9: were built in the nineteenth century, it was only the

1925
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 9: twentieth century that it came to dominate end quote. So

1926
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 9: this parst is is networked on another level. You know,

1927
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 9: it flows through global supply chains. It extracts fossil fuels,

1928
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:12,160
Speaker 9: you know, cool oil, gas power, maintains the entire cont

1929
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 9: It maintains transportation, industry, agriculture, digital infrastructure, all of it.

1930
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 9: A whole world, as we've seen, has been built around

1931
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:25,160
Speaker 9: these fossil fuels, and something as simple as blocking a

1932
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 9: pay smalls straight can have a dire impact on the

1933
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:32,679
Speaker 9: entire world, much of which is yet to be felt.

1934
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 9: Even as the strait has now been reopened, it has

1935
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 9: not been reopened about to be seemingly. I mean, Israel

1936
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:46,639
Speaker 9: did viod. This is fire though, right, so it probably

1937
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 9: will not be opened again.

1938
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:51,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean even before that it hadn't been reopened.

1939
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 8: I don't know. I have no idea when this episode

1940
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 8: is going to come out, So I am stating for

1941
01:51:58,439 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 8: the record.

1942
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:00,040
Speaker 9: Here Yeah, it's very hard to.

1943
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 8: Can't have it's impossible. It's like not impossible. It's extremely

1944
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,760
Speaker 8: difficult to figure out whether the strait is open on

1945
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:08,639
Speaker 8: an hour two hour basis.

1946
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like that's fair.

1947
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 8: I don't know what the fuck it's gonna be, Like,

1948
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 8: I don't know, Like maybe so maybe someone will have

1949
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 8: like filled the straight in by the time this episode

1950
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:22,599
Speaker 8: comes out, Like who knows. Sorry, I just I've been

1951
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:23,599
Speaker 8: so straight pilled.

1952
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 9: That's a fair point. That's fair point. I guess the

1953
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:27,520
Speaker 9: point I'm trying to make is even in any hypothetical

1954
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 9: scenario where this strait is fully open, you're still going

1955
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 9: to feel the impact of that brief period of closure.

1956
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, for years.

1957
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, this is dumb phased by the way.

1958
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 9: It's not just on the whole extraction of resources of

1959
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:59,040
Speaker 9: land of Libor. You also notice that it extracts our

1960
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:04,639
Speaker 9: attention as well, through the collection of data, through the

1961
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:10,840
Speaker 9: increasingly efficient ways that it seeks to draw out eyeballs

1962
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 9: for the sake of advertising, for the sake of profit.

1963
01:53:14,120 --> 01:53:19,320
Speaker 9: And this unprecedented scale of extraction obviously cannot last. It's

1964
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:23,920
Speaker 9: merely borrowing from the future and from million year old ecosystems.

1965
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 9: Eventually that debt is going to catch up on us.

1966
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 9: In fact that it already has begun to catch up

1967
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:33,320
Speaker 9: on us. We're not in the when climate change happens

1968
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 9: in the future. It is happening right now, and the

1969
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 9: Nation States are carrying on business as usual and business

1970
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:44,240
Speaker 9: is booming. The agents of this parasitic phase do not care.

1971
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:48,080
Speaker 9: This period saw the rise of corporations, you know, these

1972
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,840
Speaker 9: massive transnational entities, and what you'll notice about this period

1973
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 9: is that they are the agents of this time, even

1974
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:58,160
Speaker 9: sometimes more than countries some of them, some of these

1975
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 9: corporations have more power than entire countries, and to the

1976
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:08,000
Speaker 9: advantage of mass communication and coblization. We also saw ideological coalitions,

1977
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 9: which could be seen as another agent in this phase.

1978
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,439
Speaker 9: You know that the government's institutions, media, tech giants, and

1979
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:18,439
Speaker 9: movements that share a particular worldview and shape the narratives

1980
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 9: that determine what people be it workers, consumers, users, or

1981
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:26,960
Speaker 9: citizens believe it's normal, necessary, and it never tell. As

1982
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:30,560
Speaker 9: a person living in this time, it is very difficult

1983
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:32,960
Speaker 9: to see it. You know, you get used to a

1984
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 9: certain system. It's you know, it's like water to fish.

1985
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 9: If you abstract and tangible like, what are you talking

1986
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 9: about this? There's nothing besides this can be the reaction

1987
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 9: you get sometimes, and it is not on anyone individual

1988
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 9: to understand the detailed machinations of the entire system, the

1989
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 9: biggest picture. Nobody I think sees all the machinations of

1990
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:59,120
Speaker 9: the entire system. But nevertheless, the system sees you. You know,

1991
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 9: it sees you as part of its functioning. And to

1992
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:06,800
Speaker 9: kind of bring it to a close, what I want

1993
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 9: people to take away from this is that you know

1994
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 9: you can be and you are an agent in history. Now,

1995
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 9: whether you are an agent of history that serves as

1996
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:20,440
Speaker 9: a cog in the machine or you are an agent

1997
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 9: of history that serves as a wedge in the machine,

1998
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 9: that's really up to you. We're obviously facing down enormous wealth,

1999
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 9: deep inequality, technological advancement, military might, environmental stray, and atomization.

2000
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 9: The twenty twenties have been a world bind of a

2001
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 9: decade already and it's not even over yet.

2002
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:50,200
Speaker 8: Oh God, so fore worry. Yeah, this decade sucks.

2003
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:52,600
Speaker 4: It really does.

2004
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 9: But the system is not unassailable. Yes it can and

2005
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:02,520
Speaker 9: it does adapt to our eruptures, but it is a

2006
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 9: lot more fragile than it puts forward, you know, to

2007
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 9: borrow from I can't remember who said it, the concept

2008
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:14,440
Speaker 9: of paper tiger. It comes from Chinese mythology, a Chinese

2009
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 9: military philosophy.

2010
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:19,480
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, Like I know, Mao talks about it a lot.

2011
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 8: I don't actually know where it's from.

2012
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 9: But yeah, yeah, but I say that to say that

2013
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 9: it's a paper tiger, you know, a particularly study paper tiger,

2014
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:32,520
Speaker 9: but a paper tiger nonetheless.

2015
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:35,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, And never have the people who are attempting to

2016
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 8: write the paper tiger have like, never in the entire

2017
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:43,840
Speaker 8: like history of modern capitalism has it been written by

2018
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:47,040
Speaker 8: people who have less idea what the fuck they're doing. Nick,

2019
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:51,160
Speaker 8: Never have people who understand the system so poorly been

2020
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 8: in charge of it, and they are, you know, they

2021
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:57,280
Speaker 8: are already kind of tearing it apart because they don't

2022
01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 8: understand it at all.

2023
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:01,400
Speaker 9: Yeah. I think one of the one of these signs

2024
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 9: of that was just the idea that you can kneecap

2025
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:12,840
Speaker 9: your country's soft power mechanisms entirely and bully every other

2026
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 9: country in the world and expect nothing bad to happen.

2027
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:19,560
Speaker 9: I mean, honestly, the US has not faced the consequences

2028
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:22,640
Speaker 9: that it should for the things that it has done

2029
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,400
Speaker 9: in this year alone, that's alone in a decade of history.

2030
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:26,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2031
01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:29,920
Speaker 9: But I mean when you saw the deconstruction of us AID, right,

2032
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:33,800
Speaker 9: which was one of the US's primary mechanisms of having

2033
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 9: swaying other countries, building up goodwill in other countries, and

2034
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:42,080
Speaker 9: also you know, intervening in the into the domestic politics

2035
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:45,640
Speaker 9: of other countries, to break that down like a bull

2036
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 9: in a China shop, when that was really like one

2037
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:52,680
Speaker 9: of the main pillars that was keeping your whole liberal

2038
01:57:52,720 --> 01:57:56,040
Speaker 9: world order float. It really, I think as an indication

2039
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 9: of the incompetence with even mes Yeah.

2040
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:00,120
Speaker 8: And then even on top of that, I think think

2041
01:58:00,360 --> 01:58:03,320
Speaker 8: even on an even larger scale, Right, the entire premise

2042
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:07,760
Speaker 8: for I mean, like the entire premise of the packs Americana, Right,

2043
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 8: the entire premise of the post Wold War two American

2044
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:14,280
Speaker 8: order was that the US Navy would keep the world's

2045
01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 8: oceans open for supply chains. Yeah, that was the whole thing,

2046
01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 8: and it worked exactly as long as the US never

2047
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,840
Speaker 8: actually had to fight a war over like the sea

2048
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:28,640
Speaker 8: lanes that it couldn't militarily control. And then we fought

2049
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 8: the one war which would prove that we cannot in

2050
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 8: fact secure the sea lanes. Global capital. Ipacal transformations are

2051
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:42,480
Speaker 8: happening in like the very structure of global capital because

2052
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:45,960
Speaker 8: these people think that like the idea of not using

2053
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:49,880
Speaker 8: your military power and then reaping the reaping the world

2054
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:55,320
Speaker 8: spanning like trillion trillion dollar rewards of this, like they

2055
01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:58,720
Speaker 8: thought that shit was like girl, shit, Yeah.

2056
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 9: I mean the whole the whole point of what I've

2057
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:03,640
Speaker 9: been thinking. Part of the point of investing in all

2058
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:06,360
Speaker 9: of this military might is so that you don't have

2059
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:09,120
Speaker 9: to use it. Yeah, it's just just try and scale

2060
01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:13,320
Speaker 9: people into just bowing down the station your troops outside

2061
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:15,360
Speaker 9: the territory, and you're like, yeah, are you gonna really try.

2062
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 4: And challenge us?

2063
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, And then you went and stomped all over with somebody,

2064
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:21,760
Speaker 9: and obvious they had to stand up and defend themselves.

2065
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 9: And now everybody is seeing what it is, you know.

2066
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's a situation too where like yeah, like

2067
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 8: Iran has always technically had the military power to like

2068
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 8: control the strader of Moos, but they never did because

2069
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,600
Speaker 8: the consequence of that would be the US bombing their cities.

2070
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:41,440
Speaker 8: So the only way you could possibly lose control of

2071
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:43,080
Speaker 8: the straight of from moos is if you bombed the

2072
01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:45,880
Speaker 8: cities first, So all you had to do was not

2073
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:47,640
Speaker 8: do that and it would be fine.

2074
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:50,640
Speaker 9: Yeah. But I mean the little girls in the school

2075
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:55,800
Speaker 9: were Hamasna, so oh god, yeah, it's just just a tragedy.

2076
01:59:56,080 --> 02:00:01,080
Speaker 8: God, it's really hideous. They've decided to repeatedly shoot themselves

2077
02:00:01,120 --> 02:00:02,960
Speaker 8: in the balls because they just like wanted to go

2078
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:06,240
Speaker 8: kill a bunch of brown kids. You know, this is

2079
02:00:07,160 --> 02:00:10,560
Speaker 8: an unfathomable horror. And also they so clearly have no

2080
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:12,400
Speaker 8: idea what the fuck they're doing that it makes a

2081
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:13,360
Speaker 8: lot of things possible.

2082
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:17,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep. So the question is, you

2083
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:20,360
Speaker 9: know what comes next. We're seeing, like, as you said,

2084
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:25,600
Speaker 9: epocal transformations just in this year alone. This phase will

2085
02:00:25,640 --> 02:00:29,720
Speaker 9: be incurrently as defined by McDonald. It's not going to

2086
02:00:29,800 --> 02:00:34,120
Speaker 9: last forever, you know, Unlike previous phases. However, this phase

2087
02:00:34,160 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 9: has been imposed truly globally. There's no longer a hint

2088
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:42,800
Speaker 9: land that one can escape too. Yeah, and so what

2089
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:47,160
Speaker 9: comes next can be fragmentation, it can be some kind

2090
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:52,480
Speaker 9: of evolution or calcification, or it can be a social revolution.

2091
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:55,960
Speaker 9: And the more ones and the cogs and wedges in

2092
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:59,840
Speaker 9: this moment to actively decide in that. But I think

2093
02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:04,560
Speaker 9: we can do without this parasitism. As MacDonald knowes, there

2094
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:08,320
Speaker 9: are other ways of relating with each other and with nature.

2095
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:13,160
Speaker 9: He borrows from the ecological language of commends, salistic and

2096
02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:19,800
Speaker 9: mutualistic relationships. In mutualistic relationships, organisms benefit each other. For example,

2097
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:23,280
Speaker 9: we provide hives and protection, while bees pollic crops and

2098
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:28,720
Speaker 9: produce honey. And commends salistic relationships, one organism captures energy

2099
02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:31,880
Speaker 9: from another while doing neither harm nor good to the other.

2100
02:01:32,360 --> 02:01:34,520
Speaker 9: There's lots of animals and plants who make their home

2101
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:38,360
Speaker 9: among trees while neither harmon nor help in the tree itself,

2102
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:40,720
Speaker 9: although some of them do end up helping the tree

2103
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:45,280
Speaker 9: in more indirect ways. But finally, in parasitic relationships, which

2104
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:49,480
Speaker 9: is the kind that has proved disastrous for our world,

2105
02:01:49,680 --> 02:01:52,600
Speaker 9: one organism that be in us has captured the energy

2106
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:56,640
Speaker 9: of another, or of multiple others to those others detriment

2107
02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:00,560
Speaker 9: our system has put us in the position of essentially

2108
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:05,600
Speaker 9: be in mosquitoes on planet Is, and not in the

2109
02:02:05,680 --> 02:02:09,080
Speaker 9: role that mosquitoes play in the overall health of the ecosystem,

2110
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:14,360
Speaker 9: but literally sucking more blood than the system consistin, and

2111
02:02:14,440 --> 02:02:16,760
Speaker 9: so we have to shake things up, we have to

2112
02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:21,640
Speaker 9: imbolden I think new forms of relations and what those

2113
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:25,960
Speaker 9: relations look like after you as usual, All power to

2114
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 9: all the people, peace.

2115
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:44,240
Speaker 8: Welcome to it could happen here a podcast where the

2116
02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:48,000
Speaker 8: thin veneer of democracy that has hitherto veiled the settler

2117
02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:51,920
Speaker 8: colony of the United States in the mask of humanity

2118
02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:57,960
Speaker 8: is being increasingly ripped away, leaving behind. I think calling

2119
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:01,760
Speaker 8: it a new gym crow is that title has already

2120
02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:06,280
Speaker 8: been used for something else. But it's a return overtly

2121
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:10,920
Speaker 8: to some of the worst discrimination of the Jim Crow era.

2122
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:14,480
Speaker 8: So I'm your host, Mio Wong. Let's talk about what

2123
02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:18,680
Speaker 8: is actually at issue here, and that is a recent

2124
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:23,320
Speaker 8: Supreme Court ruling called Louisiana v. Kalay. On a sort

2125
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:27,400
Speaker 8: of micro level, this is about the question of can

2126
02:03:27,600 --> 02:03:32,440
Speaker 8: Louisiana just eliminate the two majority black districts that it

2127
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:35,960
Speaker 8: had in its congressional map in twenty twenty four. Getting

2128
02:03:35,960 --> 02:03:38,919
Speaker 8: to this map in the first place was a subject

2129
02:03:39,120 --> 02:03:43,080
Speaker 8: of really intense civil rights litigation to get to the

2130
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:46,360
Speaker 8: point where there were two majority black districts in twenty

2131
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:50,760
Speaker 8: twenty four. On a macro level. What is that stake

2132
02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:56,520
Speaker 8: here is canny state create an electoral map where they

2133
02:03:56,640 --> 02:04:00,120
Speaker 8: spread all of the black voters across different districts in

2134
02:04:00,200 --> 02:04:02,880
Speaker 8: order to make them a minority in every district, thus

2135
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 8: making it impossible for black voters select the candidate if

2136
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:10,880
Speaker 8: they're choosing. Until now, the answer was no, because this

2137
02:04:11,080 --> 02:04:15,280
Speaker 8: is specifically what the Voting Rights Act was passed to stop.

2138
02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:17,480
Speaker 8: Like this, specifically like this, this is one of the

2139
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 8: very specific things. I cannot emphasize this enough, this specific thing,

2140
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:24,800
Speaker 8: which is spread out the black vote across a whole

2141
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Speaker 8: bunch of districts where everyone else is white, so that

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Speaker 8: black people cannot choose who they want to elect. This

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Speaker 8: is like one of the specific things it was designed

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Speaker 8: to stop. Again, up until now, you have not been

2145
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Speaker 8: allowed to do this, and this has led to the

2146
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Speaker 8: creation of what are called minority majority districts. This is

2147
02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:45,600
Speaker 8: a long and complicated history that frankly could be its own.

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Speaker 8: It probably is like multiple people's doctoral dissertations. The short,

2149
02:04:49,800 --> 02:04:53,720
Speaker 8: short version of what a minority majority district is is

2150
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:56,560
Speaker 8: it's a district where the majority of voters are from

2151
02:04:56,600 --> 02:05:00,480
Speaker 8: a minority group, thus allowing people from a minority group

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02:05:00,520 --> 02:05:04,000
Speaker 8: to select a candidate of their choosing. There are a

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Speaker 8: lot of these districts in the South, specifically to prevent

2154
02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:11,400
Speaker 8: Republican politicians from making it impossible for black voters to

2155
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:16,040
Speaker 8: elect anyone they chose. And fundamentally, what's at stake here, right,

2156
02:05:16,120 --> 02:05:19,120
Speaker 8: is the constitutional right to elect a candidates of your

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02:05:19,200 --> 02:05:21,440
Speaker 8: choosing if you are part of a minority group.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 8: This is why all of this stuff was passed in

2160
02:05:25,640 --> 02:05:28,280
Speaker 8: the first place, because under what we call Jim Crow,

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02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:32,600
Speaker 8: it was extremely easy for a white majority to simply

2162
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:36,600
Speaker 8: effectively deny the rights of black people. And this is

2163
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:39,360
Speaker 8: other non white people too, but like this is primarily

2164
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:42,120
Speaker 8: black people. It was it was very, very easy to

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Speaker 8: simply deny them from ever getting to elect anyone by

2166
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:49,800
Speaker 8: just drawing maps where a candidate they would vote for

2167
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:52,520
Speaker 8: can never be elected. This is one of the basis

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Speaker 8: of Jim Crow over discrimination. The Supreme Court has decided no, actually,

2169
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Speaker 8: what they decided is that if the Republican party that

2170
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Speaker 8: controls the legislature draws a map that does the thing

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Speaker 8: we've been talking about, where they spread out all of

2172
02:06:12,360 --> 02:06:15,400
Speaker 8: the specifically the black vote into a bunch of districts

2173
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:19,080
Speaker 8: so that black people can't elect a representative. In order

2174
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:22,880
Speaker 8: to challenge this as violation of your voting rights, you

2175
02:06:22,920 --> 02:06:27,240
Speaker 8: have to prove definitively prove that the intent was racism

2176
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:31,120
Speaker 8: and not literally anything else. So, for example, and this

2177
02:06:31,200 --> 02:06:33,840
Speaker 8: is the thing that's really at issue here, right, you

2178
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:37,600
Speaker 8: have to prove that they specifically wanted to do this

2179
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 8: out of racism and not just because they want to

2180
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:45,440
Speaker 8: elect Republicans by gerrymandering it partisan lee, which is amazingly

2181
02:06:45,480 --> 02:06:47,400
Speaker 8: a thing that's legal to do in the United States

2182
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:51,720
Speaker 8: for reasons that are incredibly baffling. And also you have

2183
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:54,040
Speaker 8: to be able to prove that they created this map

2184
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:58,240
Speaker 8: specifically out of the intention to disenfranchise a minority group.

2185
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:00,960
Speaker 8: And also you have to create a app that would

2186
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:04,840
Speaker 8: allow them to achieve whatever other goals they supposedly want, like,

2187
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:08,200
Speaker 8: for example, again making sure that Republicans have all the

2188
02:07:08,200 --> 02:07:12,560
Speaker 8: seats in a state, but also would not be racist.

2189
02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:16,160
Speaker 8: So you have to create a map for them that

2190
02:07:16,160 --> 02:07:17,920
Speaker 8: would allow them to do this in order to prove

2191
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:20,720
Speaker 8: that there could be another map that achieves their goals

2192
02:07:20,720 --> 02:07:25,520
Speaker 8: of like partisan jerrymandering, that isn't also racist. It's completely

2193
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:30,160
Speaker 8: unhinged legally. This is this is a shambles. We have

2194
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:35,480
Speaker 8: covered some downright like hideous nonsense on this show in

2195
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:38,280
Speaker 8: terms of Supreme Court decisions, right like that. This Supreme

2196
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Speaker 8: Court has just the lowest level of legal literacy in

2197
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:46,560
Speaker 8: like living memory of any Supreme Court. It is astounding

2198
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:50,200
Speaker 8: the kinds of just absolute horseshit they are popping out

2199
02:07:50,200 --> 02:07:55,760
Speaker 8: with this. This is maybe their worst ruling, which is

2200
02:07:56,080 --> 02:08:00,080
Speaker 8: difficult to prove because there have been so many abhorrent ones.

2201
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Speaker 8: Even just just from a pure legal perspective, this one

2202
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:09,240
Speaker 8: is so bad it defies belief. So, okay, One of

2203
02:08:09,240 --> 02:08:12,240
Speaker 8: the main issues here is Section two of the Voting

2204
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:16,000
Speaker 8: Rights Act. I'm just going to read what it says, quote,

2205
02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:22,320
Speaker 8: No voting qualifications or prerequisite to voting, or standard practice

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02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:26,760
Speaker 8: or procedure shall be imposed or applied by any state

2207
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:31,720
Speaker 8: or political subdivision in a manner which results keep that

2208
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:35,440
Speaker 8: in mind later, which results in a denial or abridgment

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Speaker 8: of the right of any citizen of the United States

2210
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:41,640
Speaker 8: to vote on account of race or color, or in

2211
02:08:41,720 --> 02:08:45,360
Speaker 8: contravention of the guarantees set forth in section nineteen seventy

2212
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Speaker 8: three B. So again I kind of emphasize this enough.

2213
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Speaker 8: Right the way this is written is that it says

2214
02:08:50,360 --> 02:08:55,000
Speaker 8: that you can't apply qualification or prerequisite to voting, or

2215
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:58,480
Speaker 8: have any standard or practice or procedure cannot be imposed

2216
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:02,080
Speaker 8: by the state or any other politicals of that results

2217
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:04,880
Speaker 8: in the denial or abridgment of the rights of citizens

2218
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:05,760
Speaker 8: vote and account of race.

2219
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:06,080
Speaker 10: Right.

2220
02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:12,000
Speaker 8: It specifically says results. It does not say intent. Now

2221
02:09:12,080 --> 02:09:15,320
Speaker 8: this is incredibly important because Alito is like, no, fuck that,

2222
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:18,400
Speaker 8: Actually you have to prove intent. I'm going to quote

2223
02:09:18,440 --> 02:09:22,280
Speaker 8: from a piece of Scotis blog by Edward Foley, who

2224
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:26,120
Speaker 8: has an extremely long title of the Charles b Ever

2225
02:09:26,240 --> 02:09:30,080
Speaker 8: Sold in Florence Whitcomb Ever Sold share and constitutional law.

2226
02:09:30,360 --> 02:09:33,880
Speaker 8: As the director of Election at Law at Ohio State University,

2227
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:36,480
Speaker 8: They're written a book on electoral law. He is a

2228
02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:39,720
Speaker 8: constitutional law professor who specifically does election law. He is like,

2229
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:42,720
Speaker 8: by no means a leftist. He's coming into the right

2230
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:46,680
Speaker 8: of like Justice Jackson in her dissent in this case. Right,

2231
02:09:46,680 --> 02:09:51,360
Speaker 8: but even he I'm going to quote what he writes

2232
02:09:51,400 --> 02:09:55,280
Speaker 8: about this. He calls this ruling an abomination, which is

2233
02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:57,800
Speaker 8: like a thing that you don't really get from like

2234
02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:00,360
Speaker 8: legal people. They don't say shit like that. I'm going

2235
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:02,800
Speaker 8: to quote what he says about this quote. The ruling

2236
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:06,360
Speaker 8: purports to interpret the Voting Rights Act Section two, but

2237
02:10:06,440 --> 02:10:09,640
Speaker 8: it destroys the central meaning of the section, converting it

2238
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:12,640
Speaker 8: into the exact opposite of what Congress meant for it

2239
02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:16,200
Speaker 8: to do. The one thing that is unambiguous about Section

2240
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Speaker 8: two is that the nineteen eighty two amendment to the

2241
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:24,440
Speaker 8: section's test creates a quote results test for determining whether

2242
02:10:24,440 --> 02:10:29,160
Speaker 8: there is liability under the section, replacing the intent test

2243
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:32,919
Speaker 8: that the Supreme Court had previously adopted for Section two claims.

2244
02:10:33,680 --> 02:10:37,280
Speaker 8: As the text states, quote, no standard practice or procedure

2245
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:40,960
Speaker 8: shall be imposed which results in a denial or abridgment

2246
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:44,080
Speaker 8: of the right of any citizen to vote on account

2247
02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:48,240
Speaker 8: of race. Yet the case defiantly converts Section two back

2248
02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:51,800
Speaker 8: to an intention inquiry rather than a results analysis. So

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02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,640
Speaker 8: what happened here, right, To make this extremely clear, is

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02:10:54,680 --> 02:10:58,080
Speaker 8: that Congress in nineteen eighty two had amended this. They

2251
02:10:58,080 --> 02:11:01,640
Speaker 8: amended what this thing said, right, because Supreme Court had

2252
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:04,240
Speaker 8: been adopting a standard of intent, right, which means that

2253
02:11:04,280 --> 02:11:07,240
Speaker 8: you have to prove that like these people were like

2254
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:11,920
Speaker 8: mustache whirling saying the N word in fucking clan robes,

2255
02:11:12,360 --> 02:11:15,000
Speaker 8: doing Nazi salutes. You have to like prove that they

2256
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:17,720
Speaker 8: intentionally did this for racist reasons and not any other reason.

2257
02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:22,000
Speaker 8: And Congress went back and went, no, fuck that. If

2258
02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:27,160
Speaker 8: the result of it is racist, then you can't do it,

2259
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:30,680
Speaker 8: even if, like nominally what you're saying out loud is

2260
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:32,920
Speaker 8: that you're doing this for non racist reasons. If the

2261
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:35,960
Speaker 8: result is racism, then you have to not do it.

2262
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 8: And Alito goes, yeah, no, fuck that, we're just like

2263
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:43,560
Speaker 8: flipping it back to an intent standard for no reason

2264
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:45,680
Speaker 8: other than I want to be able to do racism

2265
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:48,480
Speaker 8: and help the Republican Party win seats. The other thing

2266
02:11:48,520 --> 02:11:52,120
Speaker 8: that fully talks about is the court is arguing that, like,

2267
02:11:52,160 --> 02:11:55,120
Speaker 8: Congress can't draw from the fifteenth Amendment in order in

2268
02:11:55,200 --> 02:11:58,080
Speaker 8: order to like have the Voting Brice Act work. In

2269
02:11:58,120 --> 02:12:01,280
Speaker 8: the first place, I'm going to quote again, Yeah, the

2270
02:12:01,320 --> 02:12:03,600
Speaker 8: Court in this decision did not need to consider the

2271
02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 8: question of congressional power to enforce the fifteenth Amendment. That is,

2272
02:12:07,560 --> 02:12:10,160
Speaker 8: because the power of Congress to enact Section two with

2273
02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:13,480
Speaker 8: the Voting Rights Amendment for the purposes of the case

2274
02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:17,480
Speaker 8: could have been sustained not under the Fifteenth Amendment, but

2275
02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:21,520
Speaker 8: under Article one, Section four of the Constitution. Congress has

2276
02:12:21,640 --> 02:12:25,440
Speaker 8: full power under Article one, section four to enact laws

2277
02:12:25,480 --> 02:12:30,240
Speaker 8: governing the quote, time, place, and manner of congressional elections. Thus,

2278
02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:34,880
Speaker 8: Congress can enact a prohibition against minority vote dilution for

2279
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:39,480
Speaker 8: congressional districts under a disparate impact theory without any consideration

2280
02:12:39,640 --> 02:12:43,280
Speaker 8: of discriminatory attent, and not rely on the Fifteenth Amendment

2281
02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:46,320
Speaker 8: at all. So, okay, what does this mean? Right? What

2282
02:12:46,360 --> 02:12:48,800
Speaker 8: Alito is saying is that, like, oh well, actually, Congress

2283
02:12:48,840 --> 02:12:51,120
Speaker 8: doesn't have the authority to like write the secution of

2284
02:12:51,120 --> 02:12:53,600
Speaker 8: the Voting Rights Amendment. They don't have the authority to

2285
02:12:53,640 --> 02:12:55,880
Speaker 8: do it under the fifteenth Amendment because it like oversteps

2286
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:59,520
Speaker 8: the rights of states to you know, run their own elections. Right,

2287
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:01,280
Speaker 8: So I'm gonna do a thing I did last time

2288
02:13:01,600 --> 02:13:03,960
Speaker 8: with Fully's thing and just read the full Article one,

2289
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:06,600
Speaker 8: section four of the Constitution. By the way, when something

2290
02:13:06,640 --> 02:13:09,240
Speaker 8: says like Article one, section four, you have to remember

2291
02:13:09,320 --> 02:13:11,920
Speaker 8: that all of the amendments, right, the amendment that got

2292
02:13:11,960 --> 02:13:14,520
Speaker 8: rid of slavery, even like the first Amendment, right, the

2293
02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:18,280
Speaker 8: freedom of speech, that's an amendment that's not in the

2294
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:21,640
Speaker 8: original text that had to be added onto it. And obviously,

2295
02:13:21,680 --> 02:13:23,280
Speaker 8: we have something called the Bill of Rights that, like

2296
02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:25,320
Speaker 8: you know, was like the first ten amendments that was

2297
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:27,720
Speaker 8: passed with the Constitution. But that's not stuff that was

2298
02:13:27,800 --> 02:13:30,839
Speaker 8: like put like a freedom of speech, freedom of assembly,

2299
02:13:30,880 --> 02:13:34,920
Speaker 8: freedom of worship that was not in the original text

2300
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:38,720
Speaker 8: of the Constitution. That was the amendments put on. This

2301
02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:40,880
Speaker 8: is something that the people who wrote the Constitution were like,

2302
02:13:40,920 --> 02:13:43,600
Speaker 8: fuck if this is going to be in the original thing, right,

2303
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:45,520
Speaker 8: So Article one, Section four, this is from like the

2304
02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:49,120
Speaker 8: original fucking body of text of the Constitution says, quote,

2305
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:53,080
Speaker 8: the times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators

2306
02:13:53,080 --> 02:13:56,960
Speaker 8: and Representatives shall be prescribed in each state by the

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02:13:57,040 --> 02:14:01,960
Speaker 8: legislature thereof. But the Congress may at any time, by law,

2308
02:14:02,120 --> 02:14:05,760
Speaker 8: make or alter such regulations, except as to the places

2309
02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:10,240
Speaker 8: of choosing senators. So yes, obviously they can fucking do

2310
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:13,560
Speaker 8: the Voting Rights Amendment. They literally have the ability. Like

2311
02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:16,920
Speaker 8: it says in section one, Congress may at any time,

2312
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:21,640
Speaker 8: by law make or alter such regulations. By such regulations

2313
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:24,560
Speaker 8: they mean the times, places and manner of holding elections.

2314
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:28,760
Speaker 8: They could just do this, right, So obviously they can

2315
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:31,560
Speaker 8: fucking do the Voting Rights Amendment. It's just it's literally

2316
02:14:31,600 --> 02:14:34,200
Speaker 8: just there in the custumation. It just says that it's

2317
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:38,000
Speaker 8: all like this, it's gibberish. It's like, oh my god,

2318
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:41,920
Speaker 8: you can just read the text of the Constitution and

2319
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:46,080
Speaker 8: it says you can do this. It's god, holy shit.

2320
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:48,800
Speaker 8: Even from the perspective of like if you treat the

2321
02:14:48,920 --> 02:14:52,560
Speaker 8: law as real, this is just pure Calvin Ball shit,

2322
02:14:52,760 --> 02:14:57,760
Speaker 8: Like I mean, it's just Jesus Christ. Okay, you know

2323
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:00,920
Speaker 8: what's real and not Calvin Ball. It's it's these products

2324
02:15:00,920 --> 02:15:16,640
Speaker 8: and services. We are back. So okay, what has the

2325
02:15:16,720 --> 02:15:19,120
Speaker 8: result of this been. It's been about two weeks since

2326
02:15:19,120 --> 02:15:22,240
Speaker 8: the Court did this decision. The Court immediately followed this

2327
02:15:22,360 --> 02:15:25,440
Speaker 8: up by allowing Alabama to jerrymander the shit out of

2328
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:30,040
Speaker 8: their upcoming election. They're doing this via again, the shadow docket,

2329
02:15:30,040 --> 02:15:32,800
Speaker 8: which is their ability to just be like, no, fuck you,

2330
02:15:32,920 --> 02:15:36,919
Speaker 8: we're not ruling on this case without actually issuing a decision.

2331
02:15:37,200 --> 02:15:40,320
Speaker 8: An unsigned, one paragraph thing from the court can just

2332
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:44,760
Speaker 8: dictate what the law is. It's great, it's amazing, and

2333
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:48,440
Speaker 8: by amazing, I mean Jesus fucking Christ. This happens about

2334
02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:51,600
Speaker 8: a week after the original Screme Court decision. This shadow

2335
02:15:51,600 --> 02:15:55,680
Speaker 8: dockett allows Alabama to put in place a map that

2336
02:15:55,880 --> 02:16:00,879
Speaker 8: was already found to be explicitly racially motivated. Thing Alito

2337
02:16:01,000 --> 02:16:05,080
Speaker 8: said in a decision that he wouldn't do right. Alito

2338
02:16:05,200 --> 02:16:09,480
Speaker 8: says in a decision that he won't overturn a cases

2339
02:16:09,560 --> 02:16:13,280
Speaker 8: that are like avert discrimination and b that he wouldn't

2340
02:16:13,320 --> 02:16:17,080
Speaker 8: overturn this exact case. And then they did it.

2341
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:24,400
Speaker 2: Anyways, It's like Jesus Christ'.

2342
02:16:22,280 --> 02:16:25,600
Speaker 8: Just like, oh my god. So the short version of

2343
02:16:25,600 --> 02:16:28,560
Speaker 8: the Alabama conflict I'm drawing here from Slat's story on

2344
02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:31,720
Speaker 8: this thing is that Alabama tried to do a map

2345
02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:33,560
Speaker 8: that would let them get rid of like both of

2346
02:16:33,560 --> 02:16:37,400
Speaker 8: the congressional black congressional candidates in the states by jerrymandering

2347
02:16:37,440 --> 02:16:40,560
Speaker 8: the black vote. There's a whole bunch of court cases

2348
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:44,360
Speaker 8: about this. In twenty twenty three, the Supreme Court said

2349
02:16:44,400 --> 02:16:46,320
Speaker 8: that they couldn't do this and they had to make

2350
02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:48,960
Speaker 8: fairer districts that didn't like violate the Voting Rights Act.

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Speaker 8: So this was three years ago. This, like the Supreme

2352
02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:56,680
Speaker 8: Court said they had to do this. Here's some Slate quote. Alabama, however,

2353
02:16:56,800 --> 02:17:00,400
Speaker 8: refused to comply with that order to get like they

2354
02:17:00,440 --> 02:17:02,760
Speaker 8: got an order from the Supreme Court and refused to

2355
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Speaker 8: do it. Quote, so the lower court imposed its own map,

2356
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Speaker 8: featuring two districts where black voters had a real shot

2357
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Speaker 8: at choosing their representative. The court also found that in

2358
02:17:12,760 --> 02:17:17,800
Speaker 8: defying its previous mandate, the Alabama legislature had engaged in

2359
02:17:17,800 --> 02:17:22,400
Speaker 8: intentional racial discrimination, violating the Fourteenth Amendments Equal Protection Clause

2360
02:17:22,440 --> 02:17:25,640
Speaker 8: in addition to the Voting Rights Act. Up until Monday,

2361
02:17:25,720 --> 02:17:28,600
Speaker 8: this decision had prevented the legislature from joining the former

2362
02:17:28,640 --> 02:17:31,960
Speaker 8: Confederate states now racing to eliminate black representatives from their

2363
02:17:31,959 --> 02:17:36,360
Speaker 8: congressional delegations. Alabama Republicans pressed the district court to lift

2364
02:17:36,400 --> 02:17:39,119
Speaker 8: its bar, but it refused, so they filed an emergency

2365
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:42,959
Speaker 8: request at the Supreme Court asking permission to re jerrymander

2366
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:47,840
Speaker 8: black communities in light of this decision. Now, I cantdatmaicize enough.

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Speaker 8: This vote from when they were granted this position. This

2368
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:54,080
Speaker 8: vote is in like eight days, right, people had already

2369
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:57,640
Speaker 8: started voting for candidates and primaries, right, And Supreme Court

2370
02:17:57,720 --> 02:17:59,280
Speaker 8: was like, yeah, sure, yeah, you can. You can fucking

2371
02:17:59,320 --> 02:18:01,600
Speaker 8: rejerry mander this thing eight days before the election. That's

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02:18:01,600 --> 02:18:04,880
Speaker 8: absolutely fine. Even though again I can'da emphasize this enough

2373
02:18:05,320 --> 02:18:09,440
Speaker 8: in the ruling, Alito specifically said in the majority opinion

2374
02:18:09,480 --> 02:18:13,720
Speaker 8: that they wouldn't overturn this exact case, and then they

2375
02:18:13,720 --> 02:18:17,520
Speaker 8: did it. It's mind boggling. It used to be, like

2376
02:18:17,560 --> 02:18:20,000
Speaker 8: it really truly did. Used to be that if you

2377
02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:22,080
Speaker 8: were going to do shit like this, you had to

2378
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:26,280
Speaker 8: like sort of like pretend that you were following some

2379
02:18:26,440 --> 02:18:29,760
Speaker 8: kind of legal order. And now you just don't. You

2380
02:18:29,800 --> 02:18:32,480
Speaker 8: can just fucking do Calvin bullshit. You can just literally

2381
02:18:32,600 --> 02:18:37,160
Speaker 8: lie about what you're doing in your decisions and then

2382
02:18:37,440 --> 02:18:41,280
Speaker 8: just fucking do whatever you want about it. And obviously,

2383
02:18:41,320 --> 02:18:42,760
Speaker 8: you know, as slave points on. This has been pointed

2384
02:18:42,760 --> 02:18:44,760
Speaker 8: out by a whole bunch of different outlets. The Supreme

2385
02:18:44,800 --> 02:18:48,720
Speaker 8: Court also had used another legal principle to prevent states

2386
02:18:48,720 --> 02:18:51,400
Speaker 8: that would have were trying to like make more democratic maps,

2387
02:18:51,440 --> 02:18:53,800
Speaker 8: both in the sense of like not being racist and

2388
02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:57,280
Speaker 8: also that would elect more democratic politicians. And even though

2389
02:18:57,320 --> 02:19:00,000
Speaker 8: it was three months before the election, the court was like, wow,

2390
02:19:00,040 --> 02:19:02,600
Speaker 8: it's actually too soon, like it's too close the election

2391
02:19:02,680 --> 02:19:04,440
Speaker 8: for you to be changing this stuff. But then also

2392
02:19:04,520 --> 02:19:07,720
Speaker 8: now they're just letting Alabama do one of these like

2393
02:19:07,800 --> 02:19:11,680
Speaker 8: eight days before an election. So it's so incredibly clear

2394
02:19:11,720 --> 02:19:13,879
Speaker 8: about what's happening here is that the Court is trying

2395
02:19:13,879 --> 02:19:16,959
Speaker 8: to allow Republican politicians to just straight up rig elections

2396
02:19:16,959 --> 02:19:19,440
Speaker 8: for them by doing gerrymandered districts in a way that

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Speaker 8: lets them eliminate the ability of non white people to vote.

2398
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Speaker 8: And this is a huge fucking deal. Getting the nineteen

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Speaker 8: sixty five Voting Rights Act was one of the major

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02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:34,160
Speaker 8: achievements of the civil rights movement, right, It's like, one

2401
02:19:34,200 --> 02:19:36,280
Speaker 8: of the biggest goals of the moderate wing of the

2402
02:19:36,360 --> 02:19:42,320
Speaker 8: movement was to have elections in which black people got

2403
02:19:42,360 --> 02:19:46,640
Speaker 8: to actually fucking vote and not have their vote intentionally

2404
02:19:46,680 --> 02:19:49,360
Speaker 8: diluted so they could never actually elect a candidate. And

2405
02:19:49,959 --> 02:19:54,760
Speaker 8: that's what's being done here, right, And this has been

2406
02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:57,760
Speaker 8: pointed out. It's like anyone who's read any kind of

2407
02:19:57,959 --> 02:20:00,840
Speaker 8: analysis of racial politics in the US. One of the

2408
02:20:00,920 --> 02:20:03,680
Speaker 8: consistent themes of the sort of you know what you

2409
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:06,400
Speaker 8: would call, I guess like the era of black uprising, right,

2410
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Speaker 8: the sort of modern era stretching from roughly Ferguson. I thought,

2411
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Speaker 8: I guess you could talk about the stuff in the

2412
02:20:12,959 --> 02:20:15,640
Speaker 8: Bay before that, or roughly from Ferguson through twenty twenty

2413
02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:19,720
Speaker 8: was that the US was not a democracy before the

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Speaker 8: nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act because the principle of

2415
02:20:22,440 --> 02:20:27,160
Speaker 8: one person, one vote was not real because you could

2416
02:20:27,160 --> 02:20:30,800
Speaker 8: simply disenfranchise anyone from a minority group, and that was

2417
02:20:31,320 --> 02:20:35,120
Speaker 8: the status quo of the South, and also like a

2418
02:20:35,160 --> 02:20:38,560
Speaker 8: lot of other parts of the country too, was this

2419
02:20:39,480 --> 02:20:43,680
Speaker 8: very overtibility of these people to you know, not only

2420
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:46,280
Speaker 8: just like this, this is one of the components of segregation. Right,

2421
02:20:46,360 --> 02:20:51,720
Speaker 8: It's not just like imposing segregation legally in public spaces, right,

2422
02:20:52,320 --> 02:20:56,600
Speaker 8: it's also you know, like it's preventing black people from voting.

2423
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Speaker 8: And this is the thing that the Supreme Court ruling

2424
02:21:03,160 --> 02:21:04,560
Speaker 8: has just effectively destroyed.

2425
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Speaker 7: Right.

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02:21:05,720 --> 02:21:09,720
Speaker 8: It's the thing that made it possible to even sort of,

2427
02:21:09,800 --> 02:21:13,519
Speaker 8: like in the loosest sense possible, called this country a democracy.

2428
02:21:14,280 --> 02:21:18,360
Speaker 8: And it's gone. It's just gone. And now you know,

2429
02:21:18,400 --> 02:21:22,080
Speaker 8: it's like, okay, like what fucking is this now? And

2430
02:21:22,360 --> 02:21:24,360
Speaker 8: you know, I don't know, it's like it's it's an

2431
02:21:24,840 --> 02:21:29,080
Speaker 8: even more just extremely overt Jim Crow state, this is

2432
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:32,320
Speaker 8: what the goal of the Republican Party has always been,

2433
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:36,240
Speaker 8: Like they want resegregation. It's been the basis of modern

2434
02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:39,680
Speaker 8: Republican politics forever. Right, it's you know, dating back to

2435
02:21:39,720 --> 02:21:41,760
Speaker 8: you if you want to look at like what Trump

2436
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:43,879
Speaker 8: is and descendsful. We've talked about this at length on

2437
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:46,640
Speaker 8: the show. The thing that became the sort of religious

2438
02:21:46,720 --> 02:21:49,680
Speaker 8: right was originally born out of like the school choice movement.

2439
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:52,400
Speaker 8: And the thing about the school choice movement was that

2440
02:21:52,440 --> 02:21:55,640
Speaker 8: it was an anti integration thing. After losing their fight

2441
02:21:55,760 --> 02:21:58,320
Speaker 8: to be able to have whites on these schools, a

2442
02:21:58,360 --> 02:22:00,800
Speaker 8: bunch of these sort of right wingers were like, Okay, well,

2443
02:22:00,800 --> 02:22:02,680
Speaker 8: we'll just do private schools where we can do that.

2444
02:22:03,800 --> 02:22:08,879
Speaker 8: And that's the basis of modern Republican politics, right, you know,

2445
02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:11,800
Speaker 8: sort of both evangelicalism and sort of Bush administration and

2446
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:16,160
Speaker 8: trump Ism and Reagan too. Is this shit and this

2447
02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:19,840
Speaker 8: has been what the Republicans have done when they've been

2448
02:22:19,879 --> 02:22:21,480
Speaker 8: in power. Right, this is a lot a lot of

2449
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:24,200
Speaker 8: the Trump administration, like what they're doing, Like all of

2450
02:22:24,200 --> 02:22:26,640
Speaker 8: the stuff about DEI, all this stuff about wokeness like

2451
02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:28,320
Speaker 8: this is also a lot of what Dog is doing.

2452
02:22:28,400 --> 02:22:30,400
Speaker 8: Was trying to make it so that black people like

2453
02:22:30,480 --> 02:22:32,000
Speaker 8: couldn't work for the US government.

2454
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Speaker 4: Right.

2455
02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:34,640
Speaker 8: It was a huge purge of black women from the

2456
02:22:34,720 --> 02:22:39,000
Speaker 8: US government and you know, now we're seeing this on

2457
02:22:39,640 --> 02:22:44,520
Speaker 8: the level of elections and on this level, what Republicans

2458
02:22:44,520 --> 02:22:48,160
Speaker 8: are trying to do with these jerrymandered maps is remove

2459
02:22:48,240 --> 02:22:50,680
Speaker 8: non white people and especially black people from Congress so

2460
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:54,520
Speaker 8: they can just have untrammeled white supremacist rule. And they're

2461
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:57,800
Speaker 8: doing it by claiming both that it's actually partisan. It's

2462
02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:01,600
Speaker 8: just partisan jerrymandering, which is legal to disenfranchised black vetters

2463
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:04,000
Speaker 8: because black vetters won't openly vote for the party of

2464
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:08,800
Speaker 8: white supremacy. And they're also claiming that like, not doing

2465
02:23:08,840 --> 02:23:11,400
Speaker 8: this is like infringing on the civil rights of white people,

2466
02:23:12,040 --> 02:23:15,320
Speaker 8: a thing that like is completely you know, just gibberish

2467
02:23:15,640 --> 02:23:19,320
Speaker 8: world turned upside down nonsense. But if they can just

2468
02:23:19,400 --> 02:23:22,000
Speaker 8: do that now because they're in power, because the court

2469
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:26,800
Speaker 8: will just let them do this shit. And so I

2470
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:31,160
Speaker 8: think in a way that really has not been conveyed

2471
02:23:31,560 --> 02:23:34,360
Speaker 8: in the media in the discourse, like this is one

2472
02:23:34,400 --> 02:23:38,080
Speaker 8: of the bleakest moments of this administration, right, you know,

2473
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:42,080
Speaker 8: on top of just the multiple genocides they're committing, right

2474
02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:44,040
Speaker 8: on top of you know, just like the ethnic cleansing

2475
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:46,720
Speaker 8: of non white people from the US that ICE is doing,

2476
02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:49,600
Speaker 8: They're what they're doing right now is attempting to end

2477
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:55,200
Speaker 8: multiracial democracy in the US. And obviously, politically, I have

2478
02:23:55,280 --> 02:23:58,600
Speaker 8: my critiques of like electoral democracy as a concept, but

2479
02:23:59,480 --> 02:24:02,520
Speaker 8: having it just revert back to only white people get

2480
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:07,880
Speaker 8: to decide who politicians are is something even worse than

2481
02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:11,040
Speaker 8: what we've had so far. You know, it's a seismic

2482
02:24:11,440 --> 02:24:18,480
Speaker 8: shift in just literally what this country is towards something

2483
02:24:18,680 --> 02:24:24,600
Speaker 8: that unbelievably an unfathomably weak state of pure white rule.

2484
02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:28,600
Speaker 8: And the people who are talking about this think that

2485
02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:32,680
Speaker 8: it can be reversed just by voting more, but no,

2486
02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:35,959
Speaker 8: it can't. The whole point of this right is to

2487
02:24:36,040 --> 02:24:39,120
Speaker 8: make sure that elections and you know, whatever the will

2488
02:24:39,160 --> 02:24:43,120
Speaker 8: of the people is is incapable of actually affecting the

2489
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:48,440
Speaker 8: white supremacist state because not white people just don't get votes.

2490
02:24:48,520 --> 02:24:51,520
Speaker 8: You can't just vote harder your way through all of

2491
02:24:51,560 --> 02:24:56,440
Speaker 8: this shit. You have to actually do things. And you know,

2492
02:24:56,520 --> 02:24:59,120
Speaker 8: if we don't want to live in a white supremacist society,

2493
02:24:59,160 --> 02:25:03,120
Speaker 8: we're going to have to actually take action to combat

2494
02:25:03,400 --> 02:25:08,440
Speaker 8: and actually resist the fact that this is like this

2495
02:25:08,480 --> 02:25:13,200
Speaker 8: is just a pure white supremacist Jim Crow state. Now, yeah,

2496
02:25:13,240 --> 02:25:15,680
Speaker 8: so this has been, it could happen here. I don't

2497
02:25:16,240 --> 02:25:20,280
Speaker 8: have a non bleaque way to end this, but the

2498
02:25:20,320 --> 02:25:22,960
Speaker 8: common refrain is, if you've ever asked yourself what you

2499
02:25:23,000 --> 02:25:26,360
Speaker 8: would be doing in Nazi Germany, it's right now. And

2500
02:25:26,440 --> 02:25:28,320
Speaker 8: I think you can also add to that right if

2501
02:25:28,360 --> 02:25:31,760
Speaker 8: you've ever asked yourself what would you be doing during

2502
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:34,880
Speaker 8: Jim Crow, The answer is whatever the fuck you're doing now,

2503
02:25:34,959 --> 02:25:38,120
Speaker 8: And if you're not happy with that answer, then it's

2504
02:25:38,120 --> 02:25:38,720
Speaker 8: time to move.

2505
02:25:53,400 --> 02:25:57,800
Speaker 2: Speaking of things that are on fire America, all right,

2506
02:25:58,120 --> 02:26:00,440
Speaker 2: I did my job, Garrison. What are we doing? Are we?

2507
02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:03,800
Speaker 10: This is? It could happen here? Executive Disorder, our weekly

2508
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:06,920
Speaker 10: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, their crumbling world,

2509
02:26:06,920 --> 02:26:09,440
Speaker 10: and what this means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today,

2510
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:13,440
Speaker 10: joined by James Stout and Robert Evans YEP. This episode

2511
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Speaker 10: recovering the week of May sixth through May thirteenth. YEP, James,

2512
02:26:18,280 --> 02:26:21,800
Speaker 10: some small news items to open us up.

2513
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:24,840
Speaker 3: My little grab bag of news stories. Yeah, the United

2514
02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:29,400
Speaker 3: Kingdom parachute drop supplies and medical personnel into Tristan d'acuna

2515
02:26:29,480 --> 02:26:32,680
Speaker 3: last weekend to respond to the hunt of virus outbreak.

2516
02:26:33,200 --> 02:26:35,959
Speaker 3: A man had got off the cruise ship where the

2517
02:26:35,959 --> 02:26:39,480
Speaker 3: outbreak began in April and returned to Tristan Ta Cuna,

2518
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:42,240
Speaker 3: where he resides. I think the cruise ship stopped Tristan

2519
02:26:42,280 --> 02:26:46,000
Speaker 3: da Cuna this weekend. British paratroopers from the Pathfind a

2520
02:26:46,080 --> 02:26:49,720
Speaker 3: platoon tandem jumped a doctor and a nurse onto the island,

2521
02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:54,039
Speaker 3: along with supplies, including oxygen, which was critically low on

2522
02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:59,080
Speaker 3: the island. The patient had reported symptoms two weeks after

2523
02:26:59,160 --> 02:27:02,920
Speaker 3: disembarking the cruise ship, and they'd spent that time on

2524
02:27:02,959 --> 02:27:06,000
Speaker 3: the island, and therefore there's a fairly high chance that

2525
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:09,959
Speaker 3: that they've interacted with other people. Right, the island has

2526
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:13,720
Speaker 3: no air strip. They was such a low supply of

2527
02:27:13,720 --> 02:27:16,879
Speaker 3: oxygen that there obviously wasn't time for a boat to

2528
02:27:16,920 --> 02:27:21,279
Speaker 3: get to Tristan Pakuna. So the UK conducted this fairly,

2529
02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:23,520
Speaker 3: I mean extremely You sure this is the first time

2530
02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:25,680
Speaker 3: the UK has ever done it. The island has a

2531
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:28,480
Speaker 3: populace around two hundred and twenty people and only two

2532
02:27:28,760 --> 02:27:33,320
Speaker 3: medical professionals who are obviously exhausted after delivering care to

2533
02:27:33,360 --> 02:27:36,760
Speaker 3: this person who's on oxygen for several weeks. Yeah, so

2534
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:41,199
Speaker 3: they jumped a couple more in there, fairly audacious response

2535
02:27:41,400 --> 02:27:44,440
Speaker 3: to the hunt virus. Secondly, and I think we can

2536
02:27:44,480 --> 02:27:49,080
Speaker 3: also agree of equal importance, Japanese snack food giant Cowbi

2537
02:27:49,400 --> 02:27:52,600
Speaker 3: is switching to black and white packaging.

2538
02:27:52,160 --> 02:27:58,200
Speaker 2: For its ooh no, Garrison is loading a gun right now.

2539
02:27:58,240 --> 02:28:01,119
Speaker 10: This is a significant portion of my daily diet.

2540
02:28:01,240 --> 02:28:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Garrison won't be able to make it through this.

2541
02:28:04,920 --> 02:28:07,119
Speaker 3: One is going on hunger strike.

2542
02:28:07,320 --> 02:28:10,840
Speaker 2: They are wiring a crew detonator together. It looks like.

2543
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:15,520
Speaker 10: I'm going to join orant an enter to this madness.

2544
02:28:18,400 --> 02:28:18,720
Speaker 4: That is.

2545
02:28:18,760 --> 02:28:21,000
Speaker 3: This is because ingredients used for the ink on its

2546
02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:23,920
Speaker 3: normal colorful packages are hard to come by thanks to

2547
02:28:23,959 --> 02:28:28,240
Speaker 3: the war with a run and thanks. Yeah. So if

2548
02:28:28,280 --> 02:28:29,959
Speaker 3: you want, if you've got one of those little stickers

2549
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:32,400
Speaker 3: that says I did that, and you've got a packet

2550
02:28:32,400 --> 02:28:34,760
Speaker 3: of black and white crisps, now you can combine the two.

2551
02:28:34,680 --> 02:28:37,320
Speaker 2: And your black and white layme ash ships.

2552
02:28:37,560 --> 02:28:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2553
02:28:38,320 --> 02:28:38,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2554
02:28:38,680 --> 02:28:42,600
Speaker 3: The one thing that gave us joy is gone. The

2555
02:28:43,080 --> 02:28:46,240
Speaker 3: Nigerian military has once again carried out an air strike

2556
02:28:46,320 --> 02:28:49,400
Speaker 3: on a market, killing at least one hundred civilians. Going

2557
02:28:49,480 --> 02:28:53,560
Speaker 3: Damnasty International. The strike on the Tumfo market is the

2558
02:28:53,640 --> 02:28:56,800
Speaker 3: second in a month to hit a market. The Nigerian

2559
02:28:56,840 --> 02:28:59,640
Speaker 3: military claims the area was to hide out for bandits.

2560
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Speaker 3: It has yet to acknowledge the civilian death toll. Government

2561
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Speaker 3: in this area is more or less like only present

2562
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:08,879
Speaker 3: through its ability to project force like this, and I've

2563
02:29:08,879 --> 02:29:11,480
Speaker 3: seen interviews as locals suggesting the town was under the

2564
02:29:11,480 --> 02:29:14,840
Speaker 3: control of non state groups previously. People remember, the Nigerian

2565
02:29:14,879 --> 02:29:17,440
Speaker 3: government has suggested that anyone doing business with the people

2566
02:29:17,440 --> 02:29:21,200
Speaker 3: at targeting is also a legitimate target, which is how

2567
02:29:21,200 --> 02:29:24,440
Speaker 3: it has justified dropping bombs on crowded markets like this.

2568
02:29:25,440 --> 02:29:30,160
Speaker 3: CNN is claiming that the CIA facilitated a car bomb

2569
02:29:30,400 --> 02:29:34,520
Speaker 3: in Sinaloa. The article seems to have sources in or

2570
02:29:34,640 --> 02:29:37,039
Speaker 3: very familiar with the operations of Ground Branch. It also

2571
02:29:37,080 --> 02:29:41,800
Speaker 3: alleges that the US government employees who were killed in

2572
02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:44,840
Speaker 3: the car crash last month were members of Ground Branch.

2573
02:29:45,760 --> 02:29:48,320
Speaker 3: More than the fact of this story, it doesn't shock

2574
02:29:48,440 --> 02:29:51,400
Speaker 3: me that the CIA is killing people in weird ways

2575
02:29:51,400 --> 02:29:53,800
Speaker 3: in different countries now that it's one of the things

2576
02:29:53,800 --> 02:29:54,240
Speaker 3: that they do.

2577
02:29:54,280 --> 02:29:56,160
Speaker 2: That's like the CIA's job.

2578
02:29:56,760 --> 02:30:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fact that CNN, as a source CITI is

2579
02:30:01,120 --> 02:30:06,880
Speaker 3: leaking Ground Branch operations, that is not usual for someone

2580
02:30:06,959 --> 02:30:10,080
Speaker 3: in the CIA to be talking to someone at CNN. Well,

2581
02:30:10,120 --> 02:30:14,039
Speaker 3: these operations are ongoing, right, and like, yeah, operations in

2582
02:30:14,120 --> 02:30:19,360
Speaker 3: Mexico are exceptionally high risk for these kinds of folks,

2583
02:30:19,360 --> 02:30:22,520
Speaker 3: Like in twenty twelve, some Mexican federal cops opened fire

2584
02:30:22,600 --> 02:30:26,360
Speaker 3: on US government employees, presumably not acting on behalf of

2585
02:30:26,360 --> 02:30:27,040
Speaker 3: the federal government.

2586
02:30:27,160 --> 02:30:27,320
Speaker 10: Right.

2587
02:30:27,840 --> 02:30:32,120
Speaker 3: Obviously, it puts this mission at risk, which isn't like

2588
02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:34,360
Speaker 3: this is already a high risk thing, but the fact

2589
02:30:34,360 --> 02:30:37,040
Speaker 3: that somebody has felt the need to leak this CNN

2590
02:30:37,160 --> 02:30:38,119
Speaker 3: is pretty remarkable.

2591
02:30:38,680 --> 02:30:44,119
Speaker 10: Speaking of potential CIA leaks, former director of the National

2592
02:30:44,160 --> 02:30:47,760
Speaker 10: Counter Terrorisment Center, Joe Kent claimed on x the Everything

2593
02:30:47,800 --> 02:30:51,560
Speaker 10: app that before the President launched the war in Iran, quote,

2594
02:30:51,879 --> 02:30:56,119
Speaker 10: the US intell community, including CIA, was an agreement that

2595
02:30:56,120 --> 02:30:59,240
Speaker 10: Iran wasn't developing a nuclear weapon and that Iran would

2596
02:30:59,240 --> 02:31:01,480
Speaker 10: target US base in the region and shut down the

2597
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:04,279
Speaker 10: straight of Horror moves if they were attacked by Israel

2598
02:31:04,360 --> 02:31:10,040
Speaker 10: and the US en quote. The Supreme Court extended access

2599
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:13,360
Speaker 10: to remote prescription at melt delivery of the abortion pill

2600
02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:17,920
Speaker 10: with pristone until Thursday, May fourteenth, which is the day

2601
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:22,320
Speaker 10: this episode releases. The night this episode releases around Thursday.

2602
02:31:22,400 --> 02:31:25,280
Speaker 10: They're expected to make a shadow docket ruling on whether

2603
02:31:25,360 --> 02:31:28,800
Speaker 10: Louisiana's ban on mail order abortion pills can go into

2604
02:31:28,800 --> 02:31:33,680
Speaker 10: effect as the case continues through a lower court. A

2605
02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:37,560
Speaker 10: golden statue of President Trump was unveiled at a Trump

2606
02:31:37,640 --> 02:31:42,080
Speaker 10: resort in Miami last week. The statue was blessed by

2607
02:31:42,120 --> 02:31:46,400
Speaker 10: evangelical pastor Mike Burns, who said, quote, let me be clear,

2608
02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:48,960
Speaker 10: this is not a golden calf unquote.

2609
02:31:50,959 --> 02:31:54,240
Speaker 2: God, it's so hard. I like you went through everything,

2610
02:31:54,280 --> 02:31:57,120
Speaker 2: you just like the little parade of horrors like you

2611
02:31:57,160 --> 02:31:59,720
Speaker 2: do every week, and then you just drop that that

2612
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:02,600
Speaker 2: there's there's a priest blessing a golden statue.

2613
02:32:02,600 --> 02:32:04,240
Speaker 8: Past pastor.

2614
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:08,480
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're right, pastor. And I know that like they

2615
02:32:08,480 --> 02:32:10,960
Speaker 2: that he addressed in the moment, like the whole golden

2616
02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:14,120
Speaker 2: cat it all, which just funnier that like he knew

2617
02:32:14,280 --> 02:32:17,800
Speaker 2: I gotta say something like I got to make a comment.

2618
02:32:18,120 --> 02:32:20,240
Speaker 3: That's what got me that he felt that he needed

2619
02:32:20,240 --> 02:32:21,880
Speaker 3: to address the golden calf in the room.

2620
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:26,240
Speaker 10: Really genuinely funny, My, this is not a golden calf shirt.

2621
02:32:26,280 --> 02:32:28,800
Speaker 10: As a lot of people ask few questions already answered

2622
02:32:28,840 --> 02:32:33,840
Speaker 10: by the shirt. Oh fuck yeah, that's great, but yeah,

2623
02:32:33,879 --> 02:32:35,920
Speaker 10: grim stuff yep So.

2624
02:32:36,840 --> 02:32:41,040
Speaker 3: A national survey of one thousand Americans by NewsGuard and

2625
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:44,440
Speaker 3: YouGov suggests that about half of people in the United

2626
02:32:44,480 --> 02:32:47,600
Speaker 3: States he surveyed think each of the attempts on Donald

2627
02:32:47,680 --> 02:32:50,720
Speaker 3: Trump's life was staged or they're not sure if it

2628
02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:54,720
Speaker 3: was real. For the White House Correspondent dinner attempt and

2629
02:32:54,760 --> 02:32:58,560
Speaker 3: the Butler Pennsylvania attempts, twenty four percent of those surveyed

2630
02:32:58,600 --> 02:33:01,880
Speaker 3: thought the attempts were staked. Thirty two percent why not

2631
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:04,640
Speaker 3: sure in the White House Correspondents to dinner attempt, and

2632
02:33:05,440 --> 02:33:09,720
Speaker 3: twenty nine percent for the Pennsylvania event. It's more than

2633
02:33:09,760 --> 02:33:11,000
Speaker 3: half if you add them up.

2634
02:33:11,440 --> 02:33:12,320
Speaker 8: I'm not convinced.

2635
02:33:13,959 --> 02:33:14,720
Speaker 2: Super funny.

2636
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:18,120
Speaker 3: I'll quote from the report here. Of the twelve percent

2637
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:21,600
Speaker 3: of Americans who said all three attempts were staged, fifty

2638
02:33:21,640 --> 02:33:24,480
Speaker 3: five percent with Democrats, thirty eight percent were independents. It's

2639
02:33:24,520 --> 02:33:27,720
Speaker 3: seven percent were Republicans, according to the report.

2640
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:31,080
Speaker 10: Really interested in that seven percent? Yeah, what are they

2641
02:33:31,080 --> 02:33:32,879
Speaker 10: getting out of that? I just I don't.

2642
02:33:34,200 --> 02:33:35,920
Speaker 8: Like, what way do they think? It was?

2643
02:33:36,040 --> 02:33:39,400
Speaker 3: Just like, hell, yeah, we're owning the Libs, We're stagings

2644
02:33:39,680 --> 02:33:40,200
Speaker 3: what we did.

2645
02:33:40,640 --> 02:33:43,320
Speaker 8: Look at US go. I think it may just be like.

2646
02:33:43,360 --> 02:33:45,600
Speaker 2: Well, I voted for Trump because I wanted my taxes

2647
02:33:45,640 --> 02:33:46,199
Speaker 2: to be lower.

2648
02:33:46,240 --> 02:33:47,360
Speaker 8: But I know he thinks that.

2649
02:33:48,320 --> 02:33:51,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, this is obviously worrying, and this, this trend is

2650
02:33:51,959 --> 02:33:55,320
Speaker 10: something we've been talking about for years at this points.

2651
02:33:55,400 --> 02:33:57,720
Speaker 10: Is why I've been kind of such a such a

2652
02:33:57,760 --> 02:34:01,360
Speaker 10: hard ass about the about like the brul conspiracism that

2653
02:34:01,520 --> 02:34:01,959
Speaker 10: is growing.

2654
02:34:02,200 --> 02:34:04,480
Speaker 2: I don't even to find it worrying anymore, Garrison. I

2655
02:34:04,480 --> 02:34:06,560
Speaker 2: find it liberating that we're finally.

2656
02:34:08,840 --> 02:34:12,640
Speaker 10: Look at that we're finally free from the shackles of truth.

2657
02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's everyone's down on the muck together, nobody's nobody's

2658
02:34:16,920 --> 02:34:20,920
Speaker 2: standing pretty anymore. Everybody's just wallowing like a filthy pig

2659
02:34:20,959 --> 02:34:21,680
Speaker 2: and shit.

2660
02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:25,200
Speaker 3: That it's pretty much the status of the Yeah, the

2661
02:34:25,360 --> 02:34:27,199
Speaker 3: US news market right now.

2662
02:34:27,480 --> 02:34:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with it.

2663
02:34:29,320 --> 02:34:32,080
Speaker 3: God, it's fucking bleak. It's so bleak. Like I just

2664
02:34:32,600 --> 02:34:35,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to address like the factual elements of

2665
02:34:35,320 --> 02:34:37,720
Speaker 3: each thing because there's no point, right, But like.

2666
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:43,040
Speaker 2: No, we we should all know that's useless by now, right, Yeah,

2667
02:34:43,400 --> 02:34:45,320
Speaker 2: just have we not gotten to a place free of

2668
02:34:45,320 --> 02:34:45,840
Speaker 2: that yet?

2669
02:34:46,480 --> 02:34:46,760
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2670
02:34:46,920 --> 02:34:50,000
Speaker 3: I know, I uh, I already don't know what to

2671
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:50,560
Speaker 3: say about that.

2672
02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:54,760
Speaker 10: I mean, there are like real issues here. A conspiratorial

2673
02:34:54,800 --> 02:34:58,520
Speaker 10: base can be more easily recruited into a reactionary thought. Right,

2674
02:34:58,560 --> 02:35:01,520
Speaker 10: this is the idea of the cultic you and we

2675
02:35:01,560 --> 02:35:04,640
Speaker 10: can see a version of this happening with certain portions

2676
02:35:04,640 --> 02:35:07,680
Speaker 10: of the left. Might engage with people like Tucker Carlsen

2677
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:10,280
Speaker 10: or Margie Taylor Green right now. But for me, kind

2678
02:35:10,320 --> 02:35:13,360
Speaker 10: of the biggest issue with this is that it's a

2679
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:17,640
Speaker 10: refusal to understand or accept the particular moment that you

2680
02:35:17,800 --> 02:35:20,800
Speaker 10: find yourself with them, like a resistance to the self

2681
02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:23,039
Speaker 10: realization that you are living through history and that people

2682
02:35:23,120 --> 02:35:27,959
Speaker 10: are active agents in history. It's an ahistorical rejection of

2683
02:35:27,959 --> 02:35:30,280
Speaker 10: the fact that some people may look at some of

2684
02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:33,960
Speaker 10: the actions that someone like Trump is doing, whether regarding

2685
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:37,320
Speaker 10: Ice or the war with Ron, and then choose to

2686
02:35:37,480 --> 02:35:40,760
Speaker 10: act in response, or in the case of the Butler shooting,

2687
02:35:41,280 --> 02:35:45,640
Speaker 10: the result of social disintegration or underregulation manifesting as someone's

2688
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:49,840
Speaker 10: violent nihilistic expression, similar to the mindset of like a

2689
02:35:49,879 --> 02:35:53,360
Speaker 10: school shooter. My last issue relates kind of to the

2690
02:35:53,360 --> 02:35:57,400
Speaker 10: second issue, like the ahistorical element, how these false flag

2691
02:35:57,480 --> 02:36:02,800
Speaker 10: shooting conspiracy theories also prescribe Trump too much power by

2692
02:36:02,840 --> 02:36:06,520
Speaker 10: not just turning him into this like invincible god, but

2693
02:36:06,560 --> 02:36:09,280
Speaker 10: then also assuming that, like the US deep State is

2694
02:36:09,360 --> 02:36:13,360
Speaker 10: capable and competent enough to stage major world events like

2695
02:36:13,400 --> 02:36:17,480
Speaker 10: this like brainwash and groom patsies into doing these shootings,

2696
02:36:18,040 --> 02:36:20,160
Speaker 10: and like this also obviously removes the agency and the

2697
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:23,600
Speaker 10: clearly defined history other people that do these own shootings. Right,

2698
02:36:23,640 --> 02:36:26,080
Speaker 10: it rejects this Like, like I said, this relates to the

2699
02:36:26,080 --> 02:36:29,160
Speaker 10: second thing. It rejects or refuses to understand the moment

2700
02:36:29,240 --> 02:36:31,720
Speaker 10: that you're living in, and that people actually are active

2701
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:33,840
Speaker 10: agents of history. And like the people that do these

2702
02:36:33,840 --> 02:36:36,080
Speaker 10: shootings have their own family and their own friends, They

2703
02:36:36,080 --> 02:36:38,480
Speaker 10: have their own history that we can show and prove.

2704
02:36:39,080 --> 02:36:41,280
Speaker 10: And assuming that all this is like fake, that like

2705
02:36:41,320 --> 02:36:44,560
Speaker 10: the government has like manufactured this or somehow like turned

2706
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:47,680
Speaker 10: someone who is a normy kind of liberal suddenly into

2707
02:36:47,720 --> 02:36:50,720
Speaker 10: like doing a shooting, or has like fake this backstory. Right,

2708
02:36:50,840 --> 02:36:53,520
Speaker 10: it gives the government so much power. Right, it assumes

2709
02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:56,200
Speaker 10: that the government has power like a magical wizard that

2710
02:36:56,360 --> 02:36:57,920
Speaker 10: totally controls reality.

2711
02:36:58,360 --> 02:36:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2712
02:37:00,040 --> 02:37:05,560
Speaker 10: Anyway, for our first main story today, let's talk about

2713
02:37:05,720 --> 02:37:13,320
Speaker 10: turning Point USA. But first on Sunday, night in Seattle,

2714
02:37:13,720 --> 02:37:17,800
Speaker 10: a nineteen year old transgender girl was murdered. She was

2715
02:37:17,840 --> 02:37:21,200
Speaker 10: a student at University of Washington and was found with

2716
02:37:21,240 --> 02:37:25,280
Speaker 10: stab wounds in the laundry room of an off campus

2717
02:37:25,440 --> 02:37:29,840
Speaker 10: apartment that she lived in. No suspect has yet been identified.

2718
02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:35,440
Speaker 10: While horrific in and of itself, turning point, USA was

2719
02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:39,760
Speaker 10: scheduled to hold an anti trans debate event just days

2720
02:37:39,840 --> 02:37:44,360
Speaker 10: later at the very campus this trans student attended. This

2721
02:37:44,440 --> 02:37:46,400
Speaker 10: event was going to be hosted by a far right

2722
02:37:46,640 --> 02:37:51,480
Speaker 10: anti trans lobbyist and influencer named Chloe Cole, a teen

2723
02:37:51,560 --> 02:37:55,800
Speaker 10: transitioner who subsequently de transitioned a few years later following

2724
02:37:55,840 --> 02:38:00,960
Speaker 10: an acid trip and then conversion to Christianity. Any such cases,

2725
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:06,560
Speaker 10: that's fascinating, Yeah, most normal Christian d transitioner.

2726
02:38:06,920 --> 02:38:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2727
02:38:08,640 --> 02:38:11,120
Speaker 10: She made an appearance at Trump's last State of the

2728
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:14,800
Speaker 10: Union address when the president talked about restricting gender affirming

2729
02:38:14,840 --> 02:38:20,960
Speaker 10: care minors. After the murder in Seattle, Cole and TPUSA

2730
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:27,039
Speaker 10: continued plugging their anti trans event online, prompting students to

2731
02:38:27,160 --> 02:38:30,360
Speaker 10: plan a protest to quote unquote shut the event down,

2732
02:38:30,959 --> 02:38:34,600
Speaker 10: calling to bring quote flags, drums, or anything to make

2733
02:38:34,720 --> 02:38:39,320
Speaker 10: noise unquote. Then on Tuesday, the National Turning Point USA

2734
02:38:39,480 --> 02:38:44,279
Speaker 10: organization decided to cancel the event, according to University Washington

2735
02:38:44,360 --> 02:38:49,400
Speaker 10: spokesperson Victor Balta. Later that night, Tuesday night, Chloe Cole

2736
02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:55,240
Speaker 10: announced the event was postponed because quote Antifa has assembled

2737
02:38:55,280 --> 02:38:58,640
Speaker 10: a local militia in their own words unquote.

2738
02:38:58,760 --> 02:39:00,920
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's alarming.

2739
02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:04,120
Speaker 8: A militia now.

2740
02:39:04,560 --> 02:39:08,360
Speaker 10: I was not able to find an instance of Antifa

2741
02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:11,400
Speaker 10: claiming to have assembled a quote unquote militia.

2742
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:15,560
Speaker 2: Really, no photos of the militia, the documentation of the militia,

2743
02:39:15,760 --> 02:39:17,160
Speaker 2: nor was this language.

2744
02:39:17,200 --> 02:39:19,840
Speaker 10: This this this claim of a militia in their own words,

2745
02:39:20,400 --> 02:39:24,480
Speaker 10: nor was this language included in right wing reporting of

2746
02:39:24,520 --> 02:39:27,720
Speaker 10: the planned protest. I cannot find a so horse fist.

2747
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:30,640
Speaker 10: I really looked like I went through Fox articles, post

2748
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:35,200
Speaker 10: millennial articles. There was nothing about Antifa using the word militia.

2749
02:39:35,640 --> 02:39:38,400
Speaker 10: No one, no, no counter, no protester that I could

2750
02:39:38,440 --> 02:39:43,000
Speaker 10: find was using the word militia now. Klokkol also claimed

2751
02:39:43,000 --> 02:39:46,720
Speaker 10: that they were quote explicit threats on my life and

2752
02:39:46,760 --> 02:39:50,200
Speaker 10: that the protest caused a quote level of attention our

2753
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:55,400
Speaker 10: security team and the local PD are frankly unprepared for unquote.

2754
02:39:56,000 --> 02:39:58,840
Speaker 10: She shared an article from the Canadian far right outlet

2755
02:39:58,879 --> 02:40:04,800
Speaker 10: the Post Millennial documenting threats against the TPUSA event. Threats

2756
02:40:04,879 --> 02:40:09,119
Speaker 10: like one Twitter user in Canada saying that people should

2757
02:40:09,160 --> 02:40:13,119
Speaker 10: shut down the event, like Milo Unopolis's Berkeley campus event

2758
02:40:13,160 --> 02:40:17,240
Speaker 10: in twenty seventeen, writing quote, make them hurt for scheduling

2759
02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:22,440
Speaker 10: this one other Twitter post with two likes red quote

2760
02:40:23,080 --> 02:40:26,560
Speaker 10: Luckily the bricks in Red Square are easy to grab

2761
02:40:26,680 --> 02:40:30,720
Speaker 10: this time of year. Okay, that's the evidence that Andy

2762
02:40:30,840 --> 02:40:34,760
Speaker 10: No used to claim that quote. Far left extremists are

2763
02:40:34,920 --> 02:40:39,640
Speaker 10: urging their comrades to carry out deadly violence on two posts,

2764
02:40:40,280 --> 02:40:43,840
Speaker 10: just those two posts. That that was the post that

2765
02:40:44,240 --> 02:40:47,600
Speaker 10: Chloe Cole was sharing via this Post Millennial article, that

2766
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:50,680
Speaker 10: that was the evidence for these deadly threats. Now, I

2767
02:40:50,680 --> 02:40:54,400
Speaker 10: do think it's worth reiterating that to these people. They

2768
02:40:54,440 --> 02:40:58,920
Speaker 10: also believe that just calling someone a fascist constitutes a

2769
02:40:58,920 --> 02:41:01,360
Speaker 10: threat of violence, right, something they've been repeating a lot

2770
02:41:01,840 --> 02:41:04,400
Speaker 10: since the death of Charlie Kurk, that just calling someone

2771
02:41:04,400 --> 02:41:08,800
Speaker 10: a fascist constitutes a deadly threat. In Chloe Cole's video

2772
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:12,720
Speaker 10: announcing that the TPUSA event was, in her words, postponed,

2773
02:41:13,360 --> 02:41:17,360
Speaker 10: she said that after charlie'ssassination quote speaking on a university

2774
02:41:17,360 --> 02:41:21,440
Speaker 10: campus in twenty twenty six can come with deadly consequences.

2775
02:41:21,840 --> 02:41:24,600
Speaker 10: But towards the end of the video, she stressed that quote,

2776
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:28,720
Speaker 10: this is not a win for Antifa because truth will

2777
02:41:28,760 --> 02:41:33,080
Speaker 10: always win. I am not afraid of Antifa. That a

2778
02:41:33,200 --> 02:41:38,520
Speaker 10: quote ragtag group of wanna be revolutionaries on cross sex

2779
02:41:38,560 --> 02:41:43,200
Speaker 10: hormones won't scare her. The enemy is both strong and weak.

2780
02:41:43,560 --> 02:41:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good for her.

2781
02:41:45,440 --> 02:41:47,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, that's how these people work.

2782
02:41:49,080 --> 02:41:49,360
Speaker 8: Now.

2783
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:53,920
Speaker 10: While I was watching Chloe Cole's video, something sprank to mind.

2784
02:41:54,720 --> 02:41:57,320
Speaker 10: Last week, the White House released a new counter terrorism

2785
02:41:57,360 --> 02:42:00,680
Speaker 10: strategy that named three major threat groups the country is

2786
02:42:00,720 --> 02:42:06,800
Speaker 10: currently facing Narco terrorists and transnational gangs, legacy Islamist terrorists,

2787
02:42:06,840 --> 02:42:11,880
Speaker 10: and violent left wing extremists, including anarchists and anti fascists.

2788
02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:16,720
Speaker 10: The document says that counter terrorism activities will quote prioritize

2789
02:42:16,720 --> 02:42:21,360
Speaker 10: the rapid identification and neutralization of violent, secular political groups

2790
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:28,240
Speaker 10: whose ideology is anti American, radically pro transgender, and anarchist unquote.

2791
02:42:28,320 --> 02:42:31,279
Speaker 10: I did a full episode about this with Robert earlier

2792
02:42:31,320 --> 02:42:33,039
Speaker 10: this week, if you want to check that out.

2793
02:42:33,360 --> 02:42:33,640
Speaker 5: Yep.

2794
02:42:34,280 --> 02:42:39,520
Speaker 10: But the left wing, transgender, anarchist antifa stuff mix up

2795
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:43,119
Speaker 10: just a handful of sentences in a sixteen page document

2796
02:42:43,360 --> 02:42:47,520
Speaker 10: which is mostly focused on Islamic terrorism cartels and complaining

2797
02:42:47,560 --> 02:42:52,400
Speaker 10: about the Biden administration. For a TLDR, there's nothing new

2798
02:42:52,640 --> 02:42:55,520
Speaker 10: in this counter terrorism document pertaining to the left that

2799
02:42:55,640 --> 02:43:00,120
Speaker 10: wasn't already in National Security Presidential Memorandum number seven. It

2800
02:43:00,120 --> 02:43:04,480
Speaker 10: does not grant any new powers nor designate trans people

2801
02:43:04,600 --> 02:43:09,720
Speaker 10: as terrorists. Like NSMP seven, it essentially states that being

2802
02:43:09,760 --> 02:43:15,120
Speaker 10: quote unquote extremely pro transgender can be a motivating factor

2803
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:20,440
Speaker 10: in carrying out terroristic violence or threats. Since last October,

2804
02:43:20,840 --> 02:43:23,760
Speaker 10: joint Terrorism task forces across the country had been directed

2805
02:43:23,800 --> 02:43:28,280
Speaker 10: to investigate ANTIFA aligned groups and individuals quote engaged in

2806
02:43:28,360 --> 02:43:33,280
Speaker 10: acts of political violence and intimidation. This new document is

2807
02:43:33,400 --> 02:43:36,800
Speaker 10: just describing things that are already happening while building Trump's

2808
02:43:36,840 --> 02:43:40,200
Speaker 10: justification for military strikes on suspected drug boats in the

2809
02:43:40,200 --> 02:43:44,000
Speaker 10: Western Hemisphere, regime change in Venezuela, and the ongoing war

2810
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:46,600
Speaker 10: in the Middle East. But in the wake of this

2811
02:43:46,800 --> 02:43:52,880
Speaker 10: new strategy being released, I wonder if tpusay's canceling of

2812
02:43:52,920 --> 02:43:57,240
Speaker 10: the event and Chloe Cole's language in the announcement might

2813
02:43:57,280 --> 02:44:02,320
Speaker 10: also be designed to coax Trump's FEDS into going after

2814
02:44:02,879 --> 02:44:07,880
Speaker 10: radical transgender ANTIFA terrorists, whether that may be individuals who

2815
02:44:08,440 --> 02:44:12,879
Speaker 10: possibly sent threats online that I just couldn't see, or

2816
02:44:13,000 --> 02:44:16,800
Speaker 10: just made semi questionable posts on Twitter dot com, or

2817
02:44:17,200 --> 02:44:21,000
Speaker 10: who simply spread the protest flyer online, or the protest

2818
02:44:21,080 --> 02:44:25,560
Speaker 10: organizers themselves. Yeah, I think that is something to keep

2819
02:44:25,560 --> 02:44:29,400
Speaker 10: in mind. This new counter terrorist strategy, it mostly serves

2820
02:44:29,440 --> 02:44:32,640
Speaker 10: as a chilling effect for speech and for organizing. Like

2821
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:35,080
Speaker 10: I said, it doesn't actually grant new powers, but it

2822
02:44:35,440 --> 02:44:37,879
Speaker 10: can scare people into thinking that the Trump administration is

2823
02:44:38,240 --> 02:44:43,040
Speaker 10: designating a whole class of people as terrorists and stuff

2824
02:44:43,040 --> 02:44:45,680
Speaker 10: like this, you know protests. Right, that is one thing

2825
02:44:45,760 --> 02:44:49,240
Speaker 10: that they can investigate. Your threats online, That is something

2826
02:44:49,240 --> 02:44:51,440
Speaker 10: that they can investigate, right, That is what they are

2827
02:44:51,440 --> 02:44:55,400
Speaker 10: actually looking into. They're not just investigating random trans people

2828
02:44:55,440 --> 02:44:58,800
Speaker 10: as terrorists. They will be looking into you know, threats

2829
02:44:58,959 --> 02:45:02,320
Speaker 10: or questionable hosts made on social media. Right, those are

2830
02:45:02,320 --> 02:45:05,120
Speaker 10: the things they actually can look into. And I think

2831
02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:08,480
Speaker 10: some of Chloe Cole's language about the quote unquote deadly

2832
02:45:08,560 --> 02:45:11,119
Speaker 10: threats she received, stuff like that could be used bunch

2833
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:14,920
Speaker 10: of up administration as a pretext to investigate people. Yeah,

2834
02:45:15,240 --> 02:45:17,320
Speaker 10: whether or not those threats even were real. Right, I

2835
02:45:17,360 --> 02:45:19,640
Speaker 10: did not see anything that I think constitutes a deadly

2836
02:45:19,720 --> 02:45:24,240
Speaker 10: threat based on the post millennials reporting, but her saying

2837
02:45:24,280 --> 02:45:27,440
Speaker 10: that might be enough for a local FBI field office

2838
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:31,840
Speaker 10: to want to investigate, you know, student activists at this university.

2839
02:45:31,560 --> 02:45:33,520
Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, I think that makes sense.

2840
02:45:34,080 --> 02:45:35,960
Speaker 10: So that's what I wanted to talk about here.

2841
02:45:36,640 --> 02:45:39,039
Speaker 2: This is by far the thing I'm seeing people freak

2842
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:42,280
Speaker 2: out about the most right now is like overall the

2843
02:45:42,320 --> 02:45:44,720
Speaker 2: idea that like they've just declared it, you know, a

2844
02:45:44,879 --> 02:45:47,400
Speaker 2: terrorism of violent terrorism to be trans or to be

2845
02:45:47,440 --> 02:45:50,240
Speaker 2: anarchist or to be you know, any of the things

2846
02:45:50,400 --> 02:45:54,160
Speaker 2: like anti capitalists mentioned in that in that document. Yeah,

2847
02:45:54,200 --> 02:45:56,879
Speaker 2: And what I'm actually seeing on the ground so far

2848
02:45:57,240 --> 02:46:01,440
Speaker 2: is very much the same kind of prosecutions that they've

2849
02:46:01,480 --> 02:46:05,840
Speaker 2: been doing and the same kinds of like messaging that

2850
02:46:06,360 --> 02:46:08,560
Speaker 2: they've been making. And I think that, like you're right

2851
02:46:08,600 --> 02:46:10,800
Speaker 2: on the money, this is something to pay attention to,

2852
02:46:10,959 --> 02:46:13,720
Speaker 2: Like does this get a response? Is there an actual

2853
02:46:13,800 --> 02:46:16,760
Speaker 2: like investigation? Do we wind up see someone get indicted

2854
02:46:16,760 --> 02:46:19,160
Speaker 2: for a Twitter post? Or you know, if someone made

2855
02:46:19,160 --> 02:46:21,760
Speaker 2: a threat that we're not privy to, do they get

2856
02:46:21,760 --> 02:46:24,920
Speaker 2: indicted for that, like or do we see something that

2857
02:46:24,959 --> 02:46:26,600
Speaker 2: does look more like a witch hunt where they're going

2858
02:46:26,600 --> 02:46:29,840
Speaker 2: after like a protest organizer. That'll tell us a lot

2859
02:46:29,920 --> 02:46:33,480
Speaker 2: about kind of what's coming in the immediate future. But

2860
02:46:33,560 --> 02:46:36,120
Speaker 2: right now, I don't see anything different than what they've

2861
02:46:36,160 --> 02:46:39,760
Speaker 2: been doing, which is kind of like incompetently and haphazardly

2862
02:46:40,520 --> 02:46:43,600
Speaker 2: flailing at everything, sort of vaguely lefty.

2863
02:46:44,200 --> 02:46:44,400
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2864
02:46:44,600 --> 02:46:47,359
Speaker 10: And you know, I think including this in a document

2865
02:46:47,440 --> 02:46:49,640
Speaker 10: like the counter Terrism strategy, you know, also serves as

2866
02:46:49,680 --> 02:46:51,600
Speaker 10: a chilling effect. Right, This is this is to scare

2867
02:46:51,640 --> 02:46:54,560
Speaker 10: people they're trying to into not doing anything, right, That

2868
02:46:54,640 --> 02:46:56,120
Speaker 10: is a part of their strategy.

2869
02:46:56,640 --> 02:46:56,879
Speaker 5: Yep.

2870
02:46:57,160 --> 02:46:59,720
Speaker 10: But you know they have investigated people for making death

2871
02:46:59,720 --> 02:47:03,440
Speaker 10: threats four years right, the Biden administration and and their

2872
02:47:03,560 --> 02:47:03,959
Speaker 10: FBI is.

2873
02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:06,280
Speaker 2: Able to make death threats, by the way, if their

2874
02:47:06,320 --> 02:47:08,240
Speaker 2: actual threats that is illegal.

2875
02:47:08,440 --> 02:47:12,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, The FBI under Biden investigatives top Cop City, the

2876
02:47:12,480 --> 02:47:16,520
Speaker 10: charges against the protesters at Prairie Land started. That the

2877
02:47:16,560 --> 02:47:21,640
Speaker 10: investigation started before ns MP seven was even you know, released, Right,

2878
02:47:21,800 --> 02:47:25,120
Speaker 10: This is not new, but it is something to to

2879
02:47:25,200 --> 02:47:27,160
Speaker 10: keep an eye on, yeah, to see if they're if

2880
02:47:27,200 --> 02:47:29,200
Speaker 10: their scope is actually changing.

2881
02:47:29,560 --> 02:47:29,800
Speaker 5: Right.

2882
02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:34,480
Speaker 2: You know what else is changing in scope our sponsors,

2883
02:47:36,240 --> 02:47:39,240
Speaker 2: are they not really no same ship?

2884
02:47:39,800 --> 02:47:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we are back and we are back to

2885
02:47:55,400 --> 02:47:58,800
Speaker 3: talking about the war in Ron. So I want to

2886
02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:04,720
Speaker 3: start off with President Trump's extremely a vocal criticism of

2887
02:48:04,920 --> 02:48:10,280
Speaker 3: Curtish groups. One can assume in Iran that it doesn't

2888
02:48:10,320 --> 02:48:13,119
Speaker 3: necessarily seem that his criticism is limited to Curtis's groups

2889
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:15,440
Speaker 3: in Iran. Let's play the clip the.

2890
02:48:15,480 --> 02:48:20,280
Speaker 11: Level of ferocity for protests. You know, the people are

2891
02:48:20,320 --> 02:48:21,959
Speaker 11: watching that they want to go out on the streets.

2892
02:48:21,959 --> 02:48:25,119
Speaker 11: They have no weapons, they have no guns. We thought

2893
02:48:25,120 --> 02:48:26,879
Speaker 11: the Curds were going to give us weapons, but the

2894
02:48:26,920 --> 02:48:28,160
Speaker 11: Curds disappointed us.

2895
02:48:28,200 --> 02:48:29,400
Speaker 5: The couras take take take.

2896
02:48:30,240 --> 02:48:32,920
Speaker 11: They have a great reputation in Congress. Congress is oh

2897
02:48:33,000 --> 02:48:35,520
Speaker 11: they fight so hard. They fight hard when they get paid.

2898
02:48:36,400 --> 02:48:40,080
Speaker 11: So I'm very disappointed in the Curds. But they were

2899
02:48:40,720 --> 02:48:42,920
Speaker 11: given I said it wasn't going to work. By the way,

2900
02:48:42,959 --> 02:48:46,240
Speaker 11: I just have to say it. I disagreed with what

2901
02:48:46,280 --> 02:48:46,640
Speaker 11: they did.

2902
02:48:46,720 --> 02:48:47,120
Speaker 9: They gave it.

2903
02:48:47,200 --> 02:48:49,640
Speaker 11: I said they'll never get there, and I was right.

2904
02:48:49,680 --> 02:48:51,760
Speaker 11: I like to be right in this case.

2905
02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:55,280
Speaker 5: Too bad. But we sent some guns with.

2906
02:48:55,320 --> 02:48:59,200
Speaker 11: Ammunition and they were supposed to be delivered, but they

2907
02:48:59,280 --> 02:49:01,760
Speaker 11: kept it. I said, they're gonna keep it. But what

2908
02:49:01,959 --> 02:49:03,720
Speaker 11: do I know, I've only been noticed.

2909
02:49:04,840 --> 02:49:05,400
Speaker 5: What do I know?

2910
02:49:06,440 --> 02:49:10,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating his Dia coda asking him about this.

2911
02:49:14,760 --> 02:49:16,000
Speaker 8: Thank you so much, mister person.

2912
02:49:16,080 --> 02:49:19,000
Speaker 13: Mister Preson yesterday said you gave the courts arms, but

2913
02:49:19,040 --> 02:49:22,440
Speaker 13: they took it for themselves. US military officials says that

2914
02:49:22,480 --> 02:49:25,120
Speaker 13: the Kurds have noticeived on arms on the Kurtish political

2915
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:27,920
Speaker 13: parties are denying to sing on armis wrong.

2916
02:49:31,080 --> 02:49:33,440
Speaker 10: So that the officials, the officials are wrong.

2917
02:49:33,720 --> 02:49:37,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well there's the Kurds could be so many things,

2918
02:49:37,480 --> 02:49:40,560
Speaker 2: like they just said that officials. I'm assuming the KDP

2919
02:49:41,000 --> 02:49:43,520
Speaker 2: and the p u K is WHI they're referring to.

2920
02:49:43,600 --> 02:49:46,240
Speaker 2: But that's just like the two big parties in Iraq,

2921
02:49:46,280 --> 02:49:48,840
Speaker 2: which isn't even all of the Courtish parties in Iraq. Like, yeah,

2922
02:49:49,280 --> 02:49:51,400
Speaker 2: not to mention all of the different armed groups and

2923
02:49:51,520 --> 02:49:54,160
Speaker 2: the But I have no idea who he sent guns to,

2924
02:49:54,440 --> 02:49:55,720
Speaker 2: and I don't know that he does.

2925
02:49:55,800 --> 02:49:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, or if he did, he seems pretty confident that

2926
02:49:59,080 --> 02:49:59,400
Speaker 3: he did.

2927
02:50:00,160 --> 02:50:00,360
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2928
02:50:00,440 --> 02:50:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like the opposite of Iran Contra, with

2929
02:50:04,000 --> 02:50:06,680
Speaker 2: the president saying like these.

2930
02:50:06,480 --> 02:50:09,840
Speaker 8: Synth them guns, I'm running guns. I was running.

2931
02:50:09,560 --> 02:50:12,040
Speaker 2: Guns, and everyone else is like, we have no fucking

2932
02:50:12,080 --> 02:50:13,240
Speaker 2: clue what he's talking about.

2933
02:50:13,440 --> 02:50:18,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm guessing this refers to his previous theory

2934
02:50:18,920 --> 02:50:23,040
Speaker 3: that they had supplied guns to Iranian courtage groups in January.

2935
02:50:23,080 --> 02:50:24,600
Speaker 3: It's the time where they were a large scale protests

2936
02:50:24,600 --> 02:50:27,720
Speaker 3: in Iran that those Iranian courtage groups were expected to

2937
02:50:27,840 --> 02:50:31,480
Speaker 3: deliver to presumably Persian protesters, presumably in large cities such

2938
02:50:31,480 --> 02:50:35,160
Speaker 3: as Tehran. The Jerusalem Post has reported that Trump himself

2939
02:50:35,240 --> 02:50:39,959
Speaker 3: personally vetoed this exact plan in January, after receiving pressure

2940
02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:43,280
Speaker 3: from Turkey to do so. There were some und backs

2941
02:50:43,320 --> 02:50:46,600
Speaker 3: to January, but small arms, as we've said before, would

2942
02:50:46,600 --> 02:50:49,240
Speaker 3: not really have tipped the balance here. Ram's army police

2943
02:50:49,320 --> 02:50:53,440
Speaker 3: besiege the IGC, as we've seen since February, can survive

2944
02:50:53,440 --> 02:50:55,960
Speaker 3: assault from the US and Israel. It's not going to

2945
02:50:56,000 --> 02:50:58,120
Speaker 3: be toppled by a bunch of people with aks. They

2946
02:50:58,160 --> 02:51:00,160
Speaker 3: would have bombed the whole city, so they had to.

2947
02:51:00,760 --> 02:51:03,240
Speaker 3: We covered this at a time in our episode about

2948
02:51:03,280 --> 02:51:05,800
Speaker 3: it with Gordayin, but most of the Curtiss groups I've

2949
02:51:05,800 --> 02:51:09,000
Speaker 3: spoken to don't have responses at this time. But the

2950
02:51:09,080 --> 02:51:12,959
Speaker 3: PAK that's the Kurdistan Freedom Party sent me this comment

2951
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:17,000
Speaker 3: regarding the protest in January. Quote from the end of

2952
02:51:17,040 --> 02:51:20,720
Speaker 3: December twenty twenty five through approximately January twentieth, twenty twenty six,

2953
02:51:20,800 --> 02:51:24,440
Speaker 3: the Iranian regime committed an unprecedented massacre across the Ilam,

2954
02:51:24,680 --> 02:51:29,360
Speaker 3: Kamanchan and Lauristan. The mobilized hashtal Chaby militias into Persian

2955
02:51:29,400 --> 02:51:32,400
Speaker 3: cities and deployed a massive military presence into our territories.

2956
02:51:32,640 --> 02:51:35,440
Speaker 3: In order to defend our citizens, we targeted the outposts

2957
02:51:35,440 --> 02:51:39,000
Speaker 3: and military basis where these forces were stationed. We confirmed that, yes,

2958
02:51:39,040 --> 02:51:42,120
Speaker 3: we carried out these operations. So what they're confirming there

2959
02:51:42,280 --> 02:51:45,320
Speaker 3: is that they carried our operations, not where the weapons

2960
02:51:45,360 --> 02:51:49,920
Speaker 3: came from, right, but we saw those operations in January.

2961
02:51:50,200 --> 02:51:53,720
Speaker 3: Pull at Yan put at Yan, famous I guess for

2962
02:51:53,800 --> 02:51:56,599
Speaker 3: being a founding member of the epigae or of Fuendecard,

2963
02:51:57,040 --> 02:52:00,000
Speaker 3: an SDF commander. He's also an author in the politicians,

2964
02:52:00,640 --> 02:52:02,520
Speaker 3: did make a statement which I thought was interesting. I'm

2965
02:52:02,560 --> 02:52:04,720
Speaker 3: going to read it at least a good amount of

2966
02:52:04,760 --> 02:52:07,000
Speaker 3: it because I think it's worth it. Quote. The Kurds

2967
02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:09,080
Speaker 3: are not mercenaries, Kurdish blood is not cheap, and the

2968
02:52:09,120 --> 02:52:11,160
Speaker 3: lives of Kurdish youth are not for sale. The Kurds

2969
02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:14,000
Speaker 3: are fighting for their freedom, dignity, and political rights, not

2970
02:52:14,040 --> 02:52:16,800
Speaker 3: to serve the temporary agendas of regional or international powers

2971
02:52:16,840 --> 02:52:20,119
Speaker 3: without any clear outcome for the Kurdish people themselves. At

2972
02:52:20,120 --> 02:52:22,680
Speaker 3: the same time, the Curds have repeatedly shown their willingness

2973
02:52:22,680 --> 02:52:25,560
Speaker 3: to cooperate in fighting terrorism, extremism, and instability in the

2974
02:52:25,560 --> 02:52:28,280
Speaker 3: Middle East. Kurdish forces played a central role in the

2975
02:52:28,280 --> 02:52:32,280
Speaker 3: defeat of ISIS and contributed greatly to regional security, but

2976
02:52:32,400 --> 02:52:35,440
Speaker 3: cooperation must be based on mutual respect, clarity, and long

2977
02:52:35,480 --> 02:52:38,200
Speaker 3: term political understanding. I do not know the acurity of

2978
02:52:38,240 --> 02:52:41,080
Speaker 3: the recent claims regarding weapons are literally sent to protesters

2979
02:52:41,120 --> 02:52:43,760
Speaker 3: inside it Ran. If such operations truly existed, then the

2980
02:52:43,800 --> 02:52:46,840
Speaker 3: American side should clearly explain which group, force, or individuals

2981
02:52:46,920 --> 02:52:49,240
Speaker 3: receive those weapons. A nation of tens of millions of

2982
02:52:49,240 --> 02:52:54,280
Speaker 3: people should not be collectively accused through vague and unverified statements. Yeah,

2983
02:52:54,600 --> 02:52:55,080
Speaker 3: it's pretty good.

2984
02:52:55,080 --> 02:52:56,400
Speaker 10: It sounds reasonable.

2985
02:52:56,720 --> 02:52:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it sounds like a really reasonable thing.

2986
02:53:00,360 --> 02:53:04,320
Speaker 3: It does seem that Trump has some personal animus against

2987
02:53:04,320 --> 02:53:04,760
Speaker 3: the goods.

2988
02:53:05,240 --> 02:53:09,800
Speaker 2: I wonder if what he's referring to is that like

2989
02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:12,200
Speaker 2: a year or so ago the last time they sent

2990
02:53:12,280 --> 02:53:16,280
Speaker 2: over more weapons. If he sent some message more recently

2991
02:53:16,320 --> 02:53:18,240
Speaker 2: being like hey, could you send some of those guns

2992
02:53:18,280 --> 02:53:21,320
Speaker 2: that we already gave you over to rebels in Iran?

2993
02:53:21,640 --> 02:53:25,640
Speaker 2: And they were like no, no, what do you mean?

2994
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:28,280
Speaker 2: And he's pissed. I wonder if that's what he's pissed about.

2995
02:53:29,280 --> 02:53:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so hard for me to say. Is he

2996
02:53:32,760 --> 02:53:37,200
Speaker 3: talking about the SDF. Is he talking about groups in

2997
02:53:37,280 --> 02:53:40,560
Speaker 3: southern Kadistan? They did, Yeah, he asked him to like

2998
02:53:40,600 --> 02:53:45,800
Speaker 3: pass Malone. I have never seen large numbers of Americans

2999
02:53:45,800 --> 02:53:48,600
Speaker 3: supplied weapons among the Rojilazzi groups.

3000
02:53:48,760 --> 02:53:51,600
Speaker 2: No, although they do. Some of their aks come from

3001
02:53:51,640 --> 02:53:53,520
Speaker 2: the US. If you look at like what's sent out

3002
02:53:53,920 --> 02:53:55,920
Speaker 2: a bunch of and like body armor, a lot of

3003
02:53:56,000 --> 02:53:58,320
Speaker 2: like what the SDF like, the armor they have came

3004
02:53:58,360 --> 02:53:59,560
Speaker 2: from Americans. Yeah.

3005
02:53:59,680 --> 02:54:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and with the highest speed SDF guys, you'll see

3006
02:54:02,840 --> 02:54:06,840
Speaker 3: like mphors but even like night vision, like yat the

3007
02:54:06,959 --> 02:54:09,400
Speaker 3: anti terror forces in the SDF, you'll see. But like

3008
02:54:10,040 --> 02:54:13,920
Speaker 3: on on the Iranian side, I have not seen that.

3009
02:54:14,080 --> 02:54:17,400
Speaker 3: And it's he's repeated this several times ever quite a

3010
02:54:17,400 --> 02:54:20,520
Speaker 3: long period of time. It seems to be something he

3011
02:54:20,600 --> 02:54:24,640
Speaker 3: genuinely believes, but I have seen no evidence aside from

3012
02:54:24,680 --> 02:54:28,920
Speaker 3: his claims to support it. It doesn't matter, But it

3013
02:54:28,959 --> 02:54:32,000
Speaker 3: does matter in the sense that Trump clearly is personally

3014
02:54:32,040 --> 02:54:36,520
Speaker 3: mad at Kurdish groups and does not seem to be

3015
02:54:36,560 --> 02:54:42,040
Speaker 3: interested in supporting their aspirations for autonomy, which is disappointing.

3016
02:54:42,080 --> 02:54:45,560
Speaker 3: But I guess I don't know why. Maybe because he

3017
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:47,920
Speaker 3: feels that he alone to take credit for the defeat

3018
02:54:47,959 --> 02:54:50,640
Speaker 3: of the Islamic State, like I can't. I can't quite

3019
02:54:50,680 --> 02:54:52,920
Speaker 3: work out what to cause this, other than maybe he

3020
02:54:52,959 --> 02:54:55,600
Speaker 3: perceives them to have slighted him by not giving weapons

3021
02:54:56,240 --> 02:54:58,760
Speaker 3: that we don't know anything about. Yeah, let's talk a

3022
02:54:58,760 --> 02:55:01,600
Speaker 3: little bit about the broader situation in Iran. I don't

3023
02:55:01,600 --> 02:55:05,039
Speaker 3: want to make this true social review. I know I've

3024
02:55:05,080 --> 02:55:08,879
Speaker 3: read Trump's truth in the past. I have reached a

3025
02:55:08,920 --> 02:55:10,560
Speaker 3: point where I can't do that anymore.

3026
02:55:11,520 --> 02:55:14,039
Speaker 8: That's fair, Yeah, like I can't.

3027
02:55:15,040 --> 02:55:18,480
Speaker 3: People are dying, right, they bombed a girls school, Like

3028
02:55:18,520 --> 02:55:20,840
Speaker 3: this is serious and horrible, and it's really hard to

3029
02:55:20,879 --> 02:55:23,400
Speaker 3: bring the gravity that needs to be brought to this

3030
02:55:23,520 --> 02:55:27,880
Speaker 3: and also read out the absolutely bonker stuff that gets posted.

3031
02:55:28,720 --> 02:55:32,280
Speaker 3: And Trump described a missile strike on Iran as a

3032
02:55:32,320 --> 02:55:36,320
Speaker 3: love tap. Yeah, this past week. So I'm just gonna

3033
02:55:36,760 --> 02:55:38,880
Speaker 3: not gonna do that this week. I am going to

3034
02:55:38,920 --> 02:55:41,879
Speaker 3: say that both sides have repeatedly and openly violated the ceasefire,

3035
02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:46,720
Speaker 3: which Trump describes to reporters and dr Oz as being

3036
02:55:46,840 --> 02:55:52,160
Speaker 3: on quote massive life support. Meanwhile, Iran's parliamentary speaker Mohammed

3037
02:55:52,440 --> 02:55:56,040
Speaker 3: Galibath has said quote around forces are ready to deliver

3038
02:55:56,080 --> 02:55:59,120
Speaker 3: a well deserved response to any aggression. Mistake and strategy

3039
02:55:59,120 --> 02:56:02,440
Speaker 3: and mistaken decision will always lead to mistaken results. The

3040
02:56:02,520 --> 02:56:05,120
Speaker 3: whole world has already figured this out. We have prepared

3041
02:56:05,120 --> 02:56:08,880
Speaker 3: for all options. They will be surprised. This comes as

3042
02:56:09,080 --> 02:56:12,720
Speaker 3: Trump calls Iran's peace demands quote a piece of garbage

3043
02:56:12,800 --> 02:56:18,080
Speaker 3: and quote a stupid proposal. Iranian demands allegedly included an

3044
02:56:18,200 --> 02:56:21,160
Speaker 3: end to Israeli aggression in Lebanon and sovereignty overit straight

3045
02:56:21,160 --> 02:56:23,600
Speaker 3: at home moves. Trump has also alleged that they walked

3046
02:56:23,640 --> 02:56:27,040
Speaker 3: back an agreement to surrender and rich Ranian. We've also

3047
02:56:27,080 --> 02:56:29,360
Speaker 3: found that ran has retained a large number of their

3048
02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:32,840
Speaker 3: missiles and their launch capacity this week. It's also been

3049
02:56:32,879 --> 02:56:35,240
Speaker 3: reported by Jim Laporter, who is one of the few

3050
02:56:35,280 --> 02:56:39,080
Speaker 3: people still doing decer reporting at CBS that Pakistan has

3051
02:56:39,160 --> 02:56:44,959
Speaker 3: provided safe haven for Iranian aircraft, shielding them from US strikes. Allegedly,

3052
02:56:44,959 --> 02:56:48,000
Speaker 3: some civilian aircraft were also sheltered in Afghanistan, but then

3053
02:56:48,040 --> 02:56:51,200
Speaker 3: had to be moved when Pakistan began bombing Afghanistan in March.

3054
02:56:51,879 --> 02:56:56,400
Speaker 3: Iran has friends everywhere, I guess. The United States sent

3055
02:56:56,440 --> 02:57:00,760
Speaker 3: a ballistic missile submarine to Gibraltar this week. These higher

3056
02:57:00,760 --> 02:57:04,760
Speaker 3: class submarines to provide the survivable element of the nuclear triad,

3057
02:57:04,879 --> 02:57:07,160
Speaker 3: or the most survival element of the nuclear triad.

3058
02:57:07,400 --> 02:57:10,280
Speaker 2: You can't strike a nuclear submarine before it gets a

3059
02:57:10,360 --> 02:57:12,600
Speaker 2: chance to strike. It's it's basically impossible.

3060
02:57:13,200 --> 02:57:15,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's the reason that they exist.

3061
02:57:16,120 --> 02:57:18,560
Speaker 2: Guarantees that you will get to do your thing.

3062
02:57:18,879 --> 02:57:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, for mutually assured destruction reasons. It's not super normal

3063
02:57:22,400 --> 02:57:25,080
Speaker 3: to announce their presence in places I don't think, but

3064
02:57:25,400 --> 02:57:27,080
Speaker 3: the Navy did this week.

3065
02:57:27,200 --> 02:57:27,480
Speaker 9: Yeah.

3066
02:57:27,600 --> 02:57:30,279
Speaker 2: I mean it can't be. It depends on the situation,

3067
02:57:30,560 --> 02:57:32,920
Speaker 2: depending on going is a little weird, yes.

3068
02:57:33,320 --> 02:57:34,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.

3069
02:57:34,560 --> 02:57:39,680
Speaker 3: The Pentagon seems to be planning to rename the war

3070
02:57:39,720 --> 02:57:43,880
Speaker 3: in Iran Operation Sledgehammer. This seems to be an attempt

3071
02:57:43,879 --> 02:57:46,600
Speaker 3: at end run around the nineteen seventy three War Powers revolution.

3072
02:57:47,320 --> 02:57:49,560
Speaker 3: They claimed already where we spoke about this last week,

3073
02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:52,760
Speaker 3: the claiming epic fury is over now and that this

3074
02:57:52,840 --> 02:57:57,400
Speaker 3: is a new and distinct operation. In a congressional hearing,

3075
02:57:57,520 --> 02:58:01,520
Speaker 3: Hexceth denied that they needed authorized use of military force.

3076
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:03,160
Speaker 3: Let's play the clip.

3077
02:58:03,800 --> 02:58:08,440
Speaker 14: It doesn't appear that hostilities have ended, and so the

3078
02:58:08,520 --> 02:58:14,320
Speaker 14: question to you is whether or not the administration has

3079
02:58:14,600 --> 02:58:20,640
Speaker 14: has considered or had intended to seek an authorization of

3080
02:58:20,720 --> 02:58:22,680
Speaker 14: use of military force from the Congress.

3081
02:58:24,280 --> 02:58:27,080
Speaker 4: Senator, our view is that should the President make the

3082
02:58:27,160 --> 02:58:29,680
Speaker 4: decision to recommence, that we would have all the authorities

3083
02:58:29,720 --> 02:58:30,600
Speaker 4: necessary to do so.

3084
02:58:31,600 --> 02:58:32,160
Speaker 8: Do you think that it.

3085
02:58:32,160 --> 02:58:35,400
Speaker 14: Would be helpful to the president if it was made

3086
02:58:35,480 --> 02:58:41,240
Speaker 14: clear that, in fact, the Congress did allow did provide

3087
02:58:41,600 --> 02:58:42,760
Speaker 14: an au MF.

3088
02:58:44,600 --> 02:58:46,680
Speaker 4: I think the president our view is that he has

3089
02:58:46,720 --> 02:58:50,040
Speaker 4: all the authorities he needs under Article two to execute.

3090
02:58:50,240 --> 02:58:50,959
Speaker 14: Thank mis Chairman.

3091
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:55,200
Speaker 3: That's more or less he's saying they didn't need Congress,

3092
02:58:55,680 --> 02:58:59,240
Speaker 3: which is great. Yeah. Access face pointed questioning from the

3093
02:58:59,240 --> 02:59:04,320
Speaker 3: House and Senate creation to defend subcommittees, He repeatedly batted

3094
02:59:04,320 --> 02:59:07,960
Speaker 3: away questions about munitions depletion and suggested that it wasn't

3095
02:59:07,959 --> 02:59:10,440
Speaker 3: appropriate to answer them in public on the record like this.

3096
02:59:10,640 --> 02:59:11,320
Speaker 8: Oh, I'm sure.

3097
02:59:13,000 --> 02:59:15,280
Speaker 3: He also did not directly confront the cost of the war,

3098
02:59:15,320 --> 02:59:19,240
Speaker 3: which is now approaching thirty billion, instead saying, quote, what

3099
02:59:19,400 --> 02:59:21,840
Speaker 3: is the cost of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon? And

3100
02:59:21,879 --> 02:59:23,879
Speaker 3: the fact that this president has been willing to make

3101
02:59:23,879 --> 02:59:26,760
Speaker 3: a historic and courageous choice to confront that it comes

3102
02:59:26,760 --> 02:59:30,240
Speaker 3: with cost, and we recognize that kind of an exercise

3103
02:59:30,320 --> 02:59:33,400
Speaker 3: in an evasion on excess part there apart from his

3104
02:59:33,480 --> 02:59:36,240
Speaker 3: pretty emphactic statement that he didn't think that they needed

3105
02:59:36,640 --> 02:59:41,440
Speaker 3: any permission from Congress to continue with this war. So

3106
02:59:42,360 --> 02:59:44,360
Speaker 3: we will be back next week to keep you updated

3107
02:59:44,360 --> 02:59:46,600
Speaker 3: on what might be operations sledge Hammer.

3108
02:59:47,480 --> 02:59:53,680
Speaker 2: Great great stuff, very exciting. So on May twelfth, twenty

3109
02:59:53,800 --> 02:59:59,359
Speaker 2: twenty six, the former mayor of Arcadia, California, Eileen Wang,

3110
02:59:59,560 --> 03:00:04,879
Speaker 2: pled guilty to acting as an unregistered agent of a

3111
03:00:04,959 --> 03:00:09,560
Speaker 2: foreign government and is being sentenced in the near future

3112
03:00:09,720 --> 03:00:14,000
Speaker 2: for being an unregistered agent of a foreign government. People

3113
03:00:14,040 --> 03:00:17,400
Speaker 2: have taken this news normally the foreign government is China.

3114
03:00:17,760 --> 03:00:20,600
Speaker 2: I did a quick little bit of googling before coming

3115
03:00:20,600 --> 03:00:23,720
Speaker 2: around here and found some fun headlines, one of them

3116
03:00:23,800 --> 03:00:28,840
Speaker 2: in the Lion California mayor pleads guilty to serving Communist China.

3117
03:00:29,400 --> 03:00:32,320
Speaker 2: And that article was written by John Ransom, who's a

3118
03:00:32,360 --> 03:00:34,959
Speaker 2: senior contributor at The Lion and also has written for

3119
03:00:35,000 --> 03:00:38,880
Speaker 2: The Epic Times, which itself is like the agent of

3120
03:00:38,920 --> 03:00:44,240
Speaker 2: a foreign power effective. Yeah, the WCBM had a headline

3121
03:00:44,280 --> 03:00:49,600
Speaker 2: this democrat mayor just came clean about working for communist China.

3122
03:00:50,200 --> 03:00:51,439
Speaker 8: She could come clean.

3123
03:00:51,920 --> 03:00:56,560
Speaker 2: Clean, she pled guilty and for that, you know. And

3124
03:00:56,600 --> 03:01:00,400
Speaker 2: then from the House Committee on China's website, mulinar warrants

3125
03:01:00,400 --> 03:01:04,680
Speaker 2: of CCP influence after California mayor charged in foreign influence plot.

3126
03:01:05,200 --> 03:01:07,640
Speaker 2: These charges highlight the very real threat of the Chinese

3127
03:01:07,640 --> 03:01:11,160
Speaker 2: Communist Party's attempts to influence are free and open society. Well,

3128
03:01:11,160 --> 03:01:13,640
Speaker 2: it denies freedom and liberty for the Chinese people. The

3129
03:01:13,680 --> 03:01:16,720
Speaker 2: CCP is actively working to subvert our institutions and divide

3130
03:01:16,760 --> 03:01:19,480
Speaker 2: us against one another. In this case, an elected mayor

3131
03:01:19,560 --> 03:01:22,760
Speaker 2: acted at the direction of CCP handlers, coordinated with Chinese

3132
03:01:22,800 --> 03:01:25,560
Speaker 2: intelligence linked individuals, and used a local news platform to

3133
03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:29,600
Speaker 2: spread CCP propaganda. And so let's talk about that. How

3134
03:01:29,680 --> 03:01:31,039
Speaker 2: much of this is true? Right?

3135
03:01:31,480 --> 03:01:31,959
Speaker 9: Yeah?

3136
03:01:32,080 --> 03:01:34,840
Speaker 2: I mean technically, yeah, Like that's that's kind of what happened,

3137
03:01:35,560 --> 03:01:39,160
Speaker 2: except for the part where they were like coordinating to

3138
03:01:39,240 --> 03:01:43,840
Speaker 2: drive Americans apart from each other and create unrest and whatnot.

3139
03:01:43,879 --> 03:01:46,920
Speaker 2: That's not what the purpose of this thing that Eileen

3140
03:01:47,360 --> 03:01:51,480
Speaker 2: got wrapped up in was. She and her former fiance,

3141
03:01:52,120 --> 03:01:55,800
Speaker 2: a fellow named Son who got sentenced before she did.

3142
03:01:56,400 --> 03:02:01,039
Speaker 2: Mike's son, are accused of basically having run like content

3143
03:02:01,120 --> 03:02:06,000
Speaker 2: farms at the behest of Chinese government officials, Like they

3144
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:10,800
Speaker 2: were putting out articles on like the alleged genocide in Zinjang,

3145
03:02:10,920 --> 03:02:13,680
Speaker 2: denying like the Chinese government had done anything wrong there

3146
03:02:13,959 --> 03:02:17,520
Speaker 2: there was any genocide at all in the region, and

3147
03:02:17,600 --> 03:02:19,880
Speaker 2: so it's kind of like propaganda stuff like that they

3148
03:02:19,879 --> 03:02:22,879
Speaker 2: were serving as like a fire hose of propaganda. Per

3149
03:02:22,879 --> 03:02:25,680
Speaker 2: the Justice Department. In June of twenty twenty one, a

3150
03:02:25,720 --> 03:02:28,600
Speaker 2: PRC official contacted Wang and other individuals via the we

3151
03:02:28,760 --> 03:02:32,240
Speaker 2: chat encryptid messaging application with pre written news articles, including

3152
03:02:32,240 --> 03:02:35,240
Speaker 2: a PRC official written essay in the Los Angeles Times

3153
03:02:35,240 --> 03:02:38,200
Speaker 2: that stated China's stance on the Zinjang issue. There is

3154
03:02:38,200 --> 03:02:40,520
Speaker 2: no genocide in Zinjang. There is no such thing as

3155
03:02:40,520 --> 03:02:44,160
Speaker 2: forced labor in any production activity, including cotton production, spreading

3156
03:02:44,200 --> 03:02:47,320
Speaker 2: such rumors due to fame, China destroys Zinjang safety and stability,

3157
03:02:47,360 --> 03:02:50,959
Speaker 2: weakened local economy, and suppressed China's development. Minutes later, when

3158
03:02:51,000 --> 03:02:53,120
Speaker 2: posted the article on her own website and responded to

3159
03:02:53,160 --> 03:02:55,440
Speaker 2: the PRC official with a link to the article on

3160
03:02:55,480 --> 03:02:57,360
Speaker 2: her website, the others in the group did the same.

3161
03:02:57,400 --> 03:03:01,640
Speaker 2: The PRC official responded, so fast, thank you everyone, and

3162
03:03:02,200 --> 03:03:06,440
Speaker 2: this is bad. Genocide denials bad. The spreading slop content

3163
03:03:06,600 --> 03:03:10,240
Speaker 2: on behalf of a foreign government is like bad. It

3164
03:03:10,320 --> 03:03:12,760
Speaker 2: is important to note that this is not like spying

3165
03:03:13,320 --> 03:03:16,760
Speaker 2: or sabotage in any meaningful way. She's not acting to

3166
03:03:16,959 --> 03:03:20,960
Speaker 2: like try to damage the United States. She's acting as

3167
03:03:21,040 --> 03:03:25,320
Speaker 2: like an unregistered pr agent for the Chinese government, or

3168
03:03:25,320 --> 03:03:27,520
Speaker 2: at least that's what she had done up to this

3169
03:03:27,600 --> 03:03:29,480
Speaker 2: point in her life, and like everything that she was

3170
03:03:29,480 --> 03:03:33,000
Speaker 2: doing was legal if she had disclosed who she was

3171
03:03:33,040 --> 03:03:35,680
Speaker 2: working for, which I think is also an important thing

3172
03:03:35,720 --> 03:03:38,080
Speaker 2: to note because sh like this happens all the time

3173
03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:41,400
Speaker 2: in the media, Like we all see, there's tons of

3174
03:03:41,440 --> 03:03:43,760
Speaker 2: content that is the result one way or the other

3175
03:03:44,080 --> 03:03:48,600
Speaker 2: of some government's influence operation, and for the majority of

3176
03:03:48,600 --> 03:03:51,480
Speaker 2: the time when it happens, nobody gets tripped up, you know,

3177
03:03:51,800 --> 03:03:54,640
Speaker 2: either because they have friends in power or because they

3178
03:03:54,640 --> 03:03:57,400
Speaker 2: don't quite cross a line. And I lead in her

3179
03:03:57,400 --> 03:04:01,039
Speaker 2: friends were not very savvy about what they were doing. Yeah,

3180
03:04:01,040 --> 03:04:04,080
Speaker 2: but they were also not operating on a very large level,

3181
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:07,600
Speaker 2: like this is not a big operation. One of the

3182
03:04:07,640 --> 03:04:10,400
Speaker 2: notes in this charging document is that Eileen sent this

3183
03:04:10,480 --> 03:04:13,680
Speaker 2: Chinese government official at screenshot showing that the article had

3184
03:04:13,680 --> 03:04:16,520
Speaker 2: been viewed fifteen one hundred and twenty eight times through

3185
03:04:16,520 --> 03:04:19,280
Speaker 2: her site, which is like, not, we're not talking like

3186
03:04:19,360 --> 03:04:23,960
Speaker 2: big deal influence ops here. We're not talking like sweeping

3187
03:04:24,320 --> 03:04:28,400
Speaker 2: powers over like public opinion. Now, perhaps that's what they

3188
03:04:28,440 --> 03:04:32,400
Speaker 2: hoped Eileen would kind of rise to over time. She

3189
03:04:32,440 --> 03:04:35,480
Speaker 2: didn't seem to be like a kind of rising star

3190
03:04:35,680 --> 03:04:38,800
Speaker 2: in local government in southern California. She got endorsed by

3191
03:04:38,840 --> 03:04:42,400
Speaker 2: some prominent Democratic Party officials, and she was still in

3192
03:04:42,480 --> 03:04:45,240
Speaker 2: touch with her Chinese government handlers at this time. This

3193
03:04:45,280 --> 03:04:49,000
Speaker 2: whole period in which she's like being charged for working

3194
03:04:49,000 --> 03:04:50,879
Speaker 2: as an agent of the Chinese government is like twenty

3195
03:04:50,920 --> 03:04:54,120
Speaker 2: twenty through at least twenty twenty two. So yeah, this

3196
03:04:54,240 --> 03:04:57,120
Speaker 2: is like, you know, a bad thing, and it's good

3197
03:04:57,160 --> 03:05:00,000
Speaker 2: that this got found out and that she's not continued

3198
03:05:00,360 --> 03:05:04,760
Speaker 2: to be the mayor of Arcadia. But also this is

3199
03:05:04,800 --> 03:05:07,039
Speaker 2: not like the scary thing that the right wing press

3200
03:05:07,080 --> 03:05:08,520
Speaker 2: is making it out to you. She was not here

3201
03:05:08,560 --> 03:05:10,760
Speaker 2: to like subvert the US so that it could be

3202
03:05:10,760 --> 03:05:13,520
Speaker 2: invaded or destroyed. She was there to try to stop

3203
03:05:13,560 --> 03:05:16,040
Speaker 2: people on the internet from being mean to the Chinese government.

3204
03:05:16,120 --> 03:05:18,240
Speaker 2: Like that was the primary use that they had with her.

3205
03:05:18,720 --> 03:05:22,760
Speaker 2: It's just not that like actually scariest story or anything.

3206
03:05:22,840 --> 03:05:24,800
Speaker 2: It's just a kind of thing that happens. This lady

3207
03:05:24,840 --> 03:05:28,480
Speaker 2: happened to become mayor of a small down basically, which

3208
03:05:28,520 --> 03:05:32,000
Speaker 2: is wild. It's crazy if that happened. But like this

3209
03:05:32,040 --> 03:05:33,039
Speaker 2: is going on all the time.

3210
03:05:33,640 --> 03:05:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, yeah, people have lost their minds about

3211
03:05:37,920 --> 03:05:39,840
Speaker 3: this one in a way that like.

3212
03:05:39,800 --> 03:05:45,039
Speaker 2: It's a perfect California city, like it's a southern California town,

3213
03:05:45,200 --> 03:05:50,839
Speaker 2: and it's a government female spy like a course of course.

3214
03:05:51,000 --> 03:05:54,640
Speaker 10: There's a lot of stuff. Back when Eric Swalwell was

3215
03:05:54,640 --> 03:05:57,920
Speaker 10: still a relevant human being, there was some attacks on

3216
03:05:58,040 --> 03:06:01,920
Speaker 10: him for associating with a quote Chinese female spy man

3217
03:06:02,040 --> 03:06:03,840
Speaker 10: ten years ago, and that was like one of the

3218
03:06:03,879 --> 03:06:07,720
Speaker 10: lines of attack against him. Sure because like someone someone

3219
03:06:07,760 --> 03:06:11,119
Speaker 10: he had like relations with in like twenty fourteen, what

3220
03:06:11,160 --> 03:06:13,680
Speaker 10: was alleged or found to be a working as a

3221
03:06:13,720 --> 03:06:16,320
Speaker 10: spy for the Chinese government. It's interesting that they're doing

3222
03:06:16,520 --> 03:06:19,480
Speaker 10: this type of stuff at like the exact same time

3223
03:06:19,480 --> 03:06:21,920
Speaker 10: that Trump just got just like it is like arriving

3224
03:06:21,959 --> 03:06:22,440
Speaker 10: in China.

3225
03:06:22,520 --> 03:06:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah right now, yeah, yeah, it's really great timing.

3226
03:06:25,520 --> 03:06:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, curious timing there. But I'm guessing she took them leave.

3227
03:06:29,160 --> 03:06:30,920
Speaker 3: This has been a period of some time, right, like

3228
03:06:30,920 --> 03:06:31,520
Speaker 3: her fiance.

3229
03:06:31,800 --> 03:06:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, because first first her former fiance got busted,

3230
03:06:35,560 --> 03:06:37,879
Speaker 2: and then she was like, I didn't do anything wrong,

3231
03:06:38,400 --> 03:06:41,240
Speaker 2: and then it became clear that she very much had. Yeah, right,

3232
03:06:41,320 --> 03:06:43,440
Speaker 2: so there was this was like a thing that yeah,

3233
03:06:43,959 --> 03:06:45,480
Speaker 2: this has been going on for a little while. It

3234
03:06:45,600 --> 03:06:48,080
Speaker 2: just sort of once she pled guilty, then you could

3235
03:06:48,120 --> 03:06:51,760
Speaker 2: do the article like California mayor pleads guilty to working

3236
03:06:51,760 --> 03:06:52,720
Speaker 2: for the Chinese government.

3237
03:06:52,840 --> 03:06:56,760
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just funny timing. Yeah,

3238
03:06:57,280 --> 03:07:14,320
Speaker 10: speaking of timing, here are some ads. Great, yay, okay,

3239
03:07:14,320 --> 03:07:18,520
Speaker 10: we are back for one of our last main stories.

3240
03:07:18,879 --> 03:07:24,920
Speaker 10: Let's talk about Virginia and the redistricting efforts. Last week,

3241
03:07:25,000 --> 03:07:28,320
Speaker 10: in a four to three ruling, the Virginia Supreme Court

3242
03:07:28,440 --> 03:07:33,120
Speaker 10: blocked the voter approved redistricting map that passed in April

3243
03:07:33,480 --> 03:07:37,560
Speaker 10: with almost fifty two percent of the vote. The court

3244
03:07:37,640 --> 03:07:41,920
Speaker 10: found the process used to advance the referendum violated the

3245
03:07:42,080 --> 03:07:48,200
Speaker 10: state constitution. According to Virginia's constitution, the legislature has to

3246
03:07:48,320 --> 03:07:53,520
Speaker 10: vote twice to pass any proposed constitutional amendment before it

3247
03:07:53,560 --> 03:07:57,160
Speaker 10: gets put on the ballot for Virginia voters, but these

3248
03:07:57,160 --> 03:08:01,320
Speaker 10: two General Assembly votes must be separated by a state

3249
03:08:01,480 --> 03:08:06,040
Speaker 10: general election. The first General Assembly vote for this redistricting

3250
03:08:06,080 --> 03:08:10,600
Speaker 10: amendment passed in October twenty twenty five, before the November

3251
03:08:10,600 --> 03:08:14,040
Speaker 10: general election, and the second vote to approve the referendum

3252
03:08:14,240 --> 03:08:18,080
Speaker 10: happened next January, so a few months ago. The Republican

3253
03:08:18,160 --> 03:08:22,920
Speaker 10: challengers to the new voting map argued that because early

3254
03:08:23,040 --> 03:08:28,160
Speaker 10: voting had already begun, the General Assembly's first vote in

3255
03:08:28,200 --> 03:08:33,959
Speaker 10: October did not actually occur before a general election, and

3256
03:08:34,360 --> 03:08:37,280
Speaker 10: that was the grounds the State Supreme Court used to

3257
03:08:37,320 --> 03:08:42,040
Speaker 10: block the voter approved amendment. The four judge majority ruled

3258
03:08:42,200 --> 03:08:47,200
Speaker 10: the intervening election requirement was violated because the general election

3259
03:08:47,680 --> 03:08:52,760
Speaker 10: quote began on September nineteenth, twenty twenty five, and just

3260
03:08:53,320 --> 03:08:57,240
Speaker 10: ended on election day November fourth, yeah I.

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03:08:57,160 --> 03:08:59,120
Speaker 3: Feel like you're kind of outside the spirit of what

3262
03:08:59,160 --> 03:09:00,640
Speaker 3: they were going for that one.

3263
03:09:00,840 --> 03:09:03,680
Speaker 10: But no, this on the face sounds quite absurd.

3264
03:09:03,800 --> 03:09:05,720
Speaker 3: It's one of those things that is technically correct, but

3265
03:09:05,760 --> 03:09:06,720
Speaker 3: at the same time.

3266
03:09:06,800 --> 03:09:10,640
Speaker 10: Well, and there's some complicating factors because of Trump's own

3267
03:09:10,680 --> 03:09:14,600
Speaker 10: attempts to restrict early voting or deem early voting like

3268
03:09:14,879 --> 03:09:19,840
Speaker 10: not constitutionally like appropriate, or like it defies the federal

3269
03:09:19,840 --> 03:09:23,360
Speaker 10: government's definition of the word election. And so now you

3270
03:09:23,440 --> 03:09:25,640
Speaker 10: have some groups in Virginia who are trying to pass

3271
03:09:25,720 --> 03:09:28,800
Speaker 10: this amendment, Democrat groups who are using kind of similar

3272
03:09:28,879 --> 03:09:31,360
Speaker 10: rhetoric as Trump. We'll get to that in a sec

3273
03:09:31,720 --> 03:09:37,600
Speaker 10: So Justice de Arthur Helsey wrote to the majority opinion, saying, quote,

3274
03:09:37,920 --> 03:09:43,080
Speaker 10: this violation irreparably undermines the integrity of the resulting referendum

3275
03:09:43,160 --> 03:09:47,160
Speaker 10: vote and renders it null and void. Early Virginia voters

3276
03:09:47,280 --> 03:09:51,879
Speaker 10: unknowingly forfeited they're constitutionally protected opportunity to vote for or

3277
03:09:51,959 --> 03:09:57,200
Speaker 10: against delegates who favor or disfavor amending the constitution by

3278
03:09:57,240 --> 03:10:01,000
Speaker 10: not anticipating a legislative vote on a constitutional amendment four

3279
03:10:01,120 --> 03:10:04,280
Speaker 10: days before the last day of voting, unquote. So the

3280
03:10:04,680 --> 03:10:08,720
Speaker 10: court said that the reason why they have this to

3281
03:10:09,000 --> 03:10:13,400
Speaker 10: vote requirement across two different general assemblies is to give

3282
03:10:13,480 --> 03:10:18,480
Speaker 10: voters enough time to not just support or not support

3283
03:10:18,480 --> 03:10:21,480
Speaker 10: a constitutional amendment on the ballot, but then also vote

3284
03:10:21,560 --> 03:10:25,640
Speaker 10: for state lawmakers who will either approve or not approve

3285
03:10:25,640 --> 03:10:28,960
Speaker 10: the constitutional amendment in the legislature itself. Right, So that's

3286
03:10:29,000 --> 03:10:31,560
Speaker 10: what they're saying. It's like this, this process of having

3287
03:10:31,600 --> 03:10:34,120
Speaker 10: these two votes is to ensure that voters have a

3288
03:10:34,200 --> 03:10:37,680
Speaker 10: say both in who they put into office as well

3289
03:10:37,720 --> 03:10:39,400
Speaker 10: as on the ballot. And they're saying that this process

3290
03:10:39,440 --> 03:10:43,240
Speaker 10: was violated because early voting had already commenced by the

3291
03:10:43,280 --> 03:10:47,640
Speaker 10: time that the legislature actually voted on this proposed amendment.

3292
03:10:48,480 --> 03:10:52,440
Speaker 10: Chief Justice Cleo. Powell wrote in the dissent that the

3293
03:10:52,480 --> 03:10:56,920
Speaker 10: majority quote broadened the meaning of the word election as

3294
03:10:57,080 --> 03:11:00,920
Speaker 10: used in the Virginia Constitution to include the early voting period.

3295
03:11:01,560 --> 03:11:04,560
Speaker 10: This is in direct conflict with how both Virginia and

3296
03:11:04,680 --> 03:11:08,440
Speaker 10: federal law define an election. By extending elections in the

3297
03:11:08,440 --> 03:11:11,879
Speaker 10: Commonwealth of Virginia beyond a single day, the Majorities formulation

3298
03:11:12,040 --> 03:11:15,680
Speaker 10: would directly conflict with the federal mandate that elections for

3299
03:11:15,720 --> 03:11:20,040
Speaker 10: federal officials be held on a single day, so under

3300
03:11:20,440 --> 03:11:24,119
Speaker 10: the Supreme Court of Virginia's new ruling, the district map

3301
03:11:24,200 --> 03:11:26,840
Speaker 10: drawn in twenty twenty one must be used for the

3302
03:11:26,959 --> 03:11:32,280
Speaker 10: upcoming election this November. The midterms, the new map would

3303
03:11:32,360 --> 03:11:37,400
Speaker 10: have won Democrats four more House seats, but considering this

3304
03:11:37,600 --> 03:11:40,760
Speaker 10: ruling by the state Supreme Court, Dems are now eight

3305
03:11:40,840 --> 03:11:46,320
Speaker 10: seats down in the national redistricting battle, which the latest

3306
03:11:46,360 --> 03:11:49,320
Speaker 10: gutting of the Voting Rights Act will only make worse.

3307
03:11:49,840 --> 03:11:50,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3308
03:11:51,200 --> 03:11:55,119
Speaker 10: Over this past weekend, Virginia Democrats Hakeem Jeffries and Governor

3309
03:11:55,360 --> 03:11:59,320
Speaker 10: Abigail Skpenberger held discussions on what to do about this ruling.

3310
03:12:00,080 --> 03:12:04,640
Speaker 10: Times reported that Virginia Democrats expressed determination to win two

3311
03:12:04,800 --> 03:12:08,360
Speaker 10: or three of the Republican held seats even with the

3312
03:12:08,440 --> 03:12:12,360
Speaker 10: current map, but also discussed a few long shot options

3313
03:12:12,400 --> 03:12:16,120
Speaker 10: to change the ruling or push forward the map anyway.

3314
03:12:16,720 --> 03:12:19,920
Speaker 10: One of the more extreme measures debated was the possibility

3315
03:12:19,920 --> 03:12:24,720
Speaker 10: of replacing the entire Virginia Supreme Court by lowering the

3316
03:12:24,800 --> 03:12:29,640
Speaker 10: mandatory retirement age from seventy five to fifty four and

3317
03:12:29,640 --> 03:12:32,560
Speaker 10: then having a new court rehear the case.

3318
03:12:32,640 --> 03:12:35,599
Speaker 3: Sounds great, Let's do it in between now and novemb.

3319
03:12:36,040 --> 03:12:40,440
Speaker 10: So it seems the Democrats decided against this path ultimately

3320
03:12:40,959 --> 03:12:44,560
Speaker 10: in part because the state Department of Elections deadline for

3321
03:12:44,640 --> 03:12:48,240
Speaker 10: congressional maps is May twelfth, which is a day before

3322
03:12:48,360 --> 03:12:51,600
Speaker 10: we're recording. Yeah, they kind of ran out of time

3323
03:12:51,600 --> 03:12:53,959
Speaker 10: on this. It's also unclear if they really would have

3324
03:12:53,959 --> 03:12:58,520
Speaker 10: had the bravery to pull such an extreme maneuver, right,

3325
03:12:58,600 --> 03:13:00,600
Speaker 10: something that may be the correct thing to do and

3326
03:13:00,640 --> 03:13:02,840
Speaker 10: maybe something they should just do anyway, if they have

3327
03:13:03,000 --> 03:13:06,680
Speaker 10: the power to fully replace their Supreme Court, why not.

3328
03:13:07,000 --> 03:13:10,039
Speaker 10: Because the Democrats are currently in a majority of control

3329
03:13:10,080 --> 03:13:12,960
Speaker 10: of the state legislature right now, why not do this anyway?

3330
03:13:12,959 --> 03:13:16,320
Speaker 10: To a certain extent, Also, Abigail Stanberger can only serve

3331
03:13:16,959 --> 03:13:20,400
Speaker 10: one term, so you know, you're not going to lose

3332
03:13:20,480 --> 03:13:23,800
Speaker 10: much political capital by pulling a kind of insane move

3333
03:13:23,879 --> 03:13:26,840
Speaker 10: like this. But it's not going to happen at least

3334
03:13:27,080 --> 03:13:32,320
Speaker 10: right now. Yeah, nope, Virginia State Senate Majority Leader Scott

3335
03:13:32,400 --> 03:13:36,000
Speaker 10: Sortiville told The New Republic quote, as a practical matter,

3336
03:13:36,280 --> 03:13:39,720
Speaker 10: the move would not be capable of being implemented given

3337
03:13:39,800 --> 03:13:44,800
Speaker 10: the time frame. Now, despite that May twelfth deadline. On Monday,

3338
03:13:45,400 --> 03:13:49,640
Speaker 10: Virginia Attorney General j Jones and Democratic State lawmakers filed

3339
03:13:49,640 --> 03:13:53,600
Speaker 10: an emergency appeal asking the US Supreme Court to put

3340
03:13:53,640 --> 03:13:57,199
Speaker 10: the state Supreme Court order on hold for the upcoming

3341
03:13:57,240 --> 03:14:01,039
Speaker 10: midterm election, arguing that the state court based their ruling

3342
03:14:01,360 --> 03:14:06,000
Speaker 10: on misreading the federal definition of election and by adopting

3343
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:08,920
Speaker 10: its own definition, the state Supreme Court infringed on the

3344
03:14:08,920 --> 03:14:14,040
Speaker 10: state legislature's power to regulate federal elections quote. By forcing

3345
03:14:14,040 --> 03:14:18,200
Speaker 10: the Commonwealth to conduct its congressional elections using districts different

3346
03:14:18,240 --> 03:14:21,360
Speaker 10: from those adopted by the General Assembly pursuant to a

3347
03:14:21,360 --> 03:14:24,920
Speaker 10: constitutional amendment that people just ratified, the Supreme Court of

3348
03:14:25,000 --> 03:14:28,480
Speaker 10: Virginia has deprived voters, candidates, and the Commonwealth of their

3349
03:14:28,600 --> 03:14:34,440
Speaker 10: right to the lawfully enacted congressional districtsuot. This case will

3350
03:14:34,440 --> 03:14:37,560
Speaker 10: be initially decided by Chief Justice John Roberts, who handles

3351
03:14:37,600 --> 03:14:41,320
Speaker 10: the emergency appeals from states covered by the Fourth Circuit

3352
03:14:41,320 --> 03:14:46,400
Speaker 10: Court of Appeals, but the US Supreme Court may argue

3353
03:14:46,480 --> 03:14:49,400
Speaker 10: that they don't have the authority to intervene because the

3354
03:14:49,520 --> 03:14:53,640
Speaker 10: Virginia Supreme Court ruling cites state law, not federal law.

3355
03:14:53,840 --> 03:14:58,000
Speaker 10: And The New Republic also reported that state Senate majority

3356
03:14:58,120 --> 03:15:02,600
Speaker 10: leader Scott Saureville confirmed even if the Supreme Court gives

3357
03:15:02,600 --> 03:15:05,720
Speaker 10: them a good ruling, that ruling could be unlikely to

3358
03:15:06,000 --> 03:15:10,440
Speaker 10: impact this upcoming election cycle due to this May twelfth deadline.

3359
03:15:11,000 --> 03:15:13,960
Speaker 3: I guess it's just what we're saying that, like the

3360
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:18,360
Speaker 3: nature of this midterm will be very important for the

3361
03:15:18,400 --> 03:15:21,279
Speaker 3: way you get to vote in America going forward.

3362
03:15:21,640 --> 03:15:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're they're pulling out all the stops,

3363
03:15:23,879 --> 03:15:28,040
Speaker 2: like they're throwing any kind of plausible deniability in the trash,

3364
03:15:28,400 --> 03:15:32,279
Speaker 2: because this is the get it the lose it moment

3365
03:15:32,360 --> 03:15:34,840
Speaker 2: for the right, you know, Like that's very much how

3366
03:15:34,840 --> 03:15:35,480
Speaker 2: they're looking at this.

3367
03:15:35,600 --> 03:15:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a locking in forever we'll see.

3368
03:15:39,080 --> 03:15:39,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3369
03:15:39,680 --> 03:15:43,879
Speaker 10: A few years ago, Ohio pushed through unconstitutional maps, but

3370
03:15:43,920 --> 03:15:47,480
Speaker 10: maps that were deemed unconstitutional by state courts. Yeah, one

3371
03:15:47,560 --> 03:15:51,080
Speaker 10: federal court did authorize them to use these maps in

3372
03:15:51,120 --> 03:15:53,879
Speaker 10: like an interim period and they're still using them. And

3373
03:15:54,040 --> 03:15:57,480
Speaker 10: in a piece by the Nation, they mentioned this option

3374
03:15:57,959 --> 03:16:00,160
Speaker 10: was said that they would need to have the backing

3375
03:16:00,480 --> 03:16:04,160
Speaker 10: of the state Board of Electors, and Virginia might not

3376
03:16:04,240 --> 03:16:08,039
Speaker 10: have that. There's lots of people on the Democratic side

3377
03:16:08,040 --> 03:16:11,240
Speaker 10: that are much more rule followy than a lot of

3378
03:16:11,240 --> 03:16:14,640
Speaker 10: the Republicans, as we have seen now Virginia may be

3379
03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:18,039
Speaker 10: able to still pass this redistricting map in the future

3380
03:16:18,400 --> 03:16:21,760
Speaker 10: by spreading out the process over a bigger period of

3381
03:16:21,760 --> 03:16:24,360
Speaker 10: time to not create this confusion about the early voting period.

3382
03:16:24,720 --> 03:16:26,000
Speaker 10: But the map will not be able to go into

3383
03:16:26,000 --> 03:16:28,039
Speaker 10: effect before the midterms, but it still may be able

3384
03:16:28,080 --> 03:16:30,160
Speaker 10: to go into effect in the future. I do think

3385
03:16:30,200 --> 03:16:32,440
Speaker 10: it's also worth noting that the same day that Virginia

3386
03:16:32,480 --> 03:16:35,160
Speaker 10: filed this appeal with the Supreme Court, the US Supreme

3387
03:16:35,160 --> 03:16:38,720
Speaker 10: Court also paved the way for Alabama to eliminate one

3388
03:16:38,720 --> 03:16:41,880
Speaker 10: of two majority black districts before the midterm elections by

3389
03:16:41,920 --> 03:16:45,360
Speaker 10: overturning a lower court order that blocked the use of

3390
03:16:45,400 --> 03:16:48,880
Speaker 10: a Republican backed map from twenty twenty three. So the

3391
03:16:48,879 --> 03:16:52,560
Speaker 10: Supreme Court is currently weighing in on not exactly the same,

3392
03:16:53,120 --> 03:16:55,920
Speaker 10: similar similar things in other states.

3393
03:16:56,240 --> 03:16:59,640
Speaker 3: That was because it was basically pointing to it Sluisiana

3394
03:16:59,720 --> 03:17:02,040
Speaker 3: rule and saying like, we've ruled on this, Yes, this

3395
03:17:02,160 --> 03:17:02,480
Speaker 3: is right.

3396
03:17:02,840 --> 03:17:04,600
Speaker 10: This was following the Louisiana ruling.

3397
03:17:04,680 --> 03:17:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense. You know, great videos

3398
03:17:10,120 --> 03:17:12,760
Speaker 3: Democratic Process Voting Rights Act.

3399
03:17:13,480 --> 03:17:14,800
Speaker 8: Oh.

3400
03:17:15,040 --> 03:17:19,200
Speaker 2: So, there's an increasing movement in the United States, both

3401
03:17:19,240 --> 03:17:23,600
Speaker 2: at the state and the federal level to repeal gas taxes.

3402
03:17:23,640 --> 03:17:27,600
Speaker 2: So in the United States, there's federal gas taxes that

3403
03:17:27,600 --> 03:17:30,760
Speaker 2: that everybody pays. The current federal gas tax rate is

3404
03:17:30,760 --> 03:17:34,200
Speaker 2: about eighteen point three cents per gallon for gasoline and

3405
03:17:34,400 --> 03:17:36,960
Speaker 2: gas a hall, which is the actual official name of

3406
03:17:37,320 --> 03:17:40,320
Speaker 2: fuel mixed with unleaded gas that's like unleaded and ethanol

3407
03:17:40,360 --> 03:17:42,160
Speaker 2: together is actually just called gas a hall.

3408
03:17:42,280 --> 03:17:46,119
Speaker 3: Okay, I never knew that. What, Yes, what I Loveny would.

3409
03:17:45,920 --> 03:17:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they couldn't think of anything better. And then twenty

3410
03:17:48,040 --> 03:17:50,560
Speaker 2: four point three cents per gallon for diesel fuel, right,

3411
03:17:51,320 --> 03:17:53,680
Speaker 2: And then some states have their their own like Oregon

3412
03:17:53,760 --> 03:17:57,480
Speaker 2: has its own like gas taxes California senty does at

3413
03:17:57,560 --> 03:18:01,200
Speaker 2: both levels. Like the federal gas tax is there in

3414
03:18:01,280 --> 03:18:03,920
Speaker 2: short because it helps to pay for the roads, right,

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Speaker 2: Like that's that's why we need a federal gas tax

3416
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Speaker 2: is because it funds what's called the Highway Trust Fund

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Speaker 2: or the HTF, which is a big part of like

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Speaker 2: what keeps our interstate infrastructure functional. And then state level

3419
03:18:19,480 --> 03:18:23,400
Speaker 2: gas taxes are often also like supporting like state local roads, right.

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Speaker 2: And so Trump has talked about temporarily repealing the gas

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Speaker 2: tax for like a couple of months, there have been

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03:18:30,920 --> 03:18:36,000
Speaker 2: Democratic proposals that are very similar. Graham Platner, who's about

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Speaker 2: to be a Congressman from Maine, it's a Democratic nominee. Yeah,

3424
03:18:39,920 --> 03:18:43,560
Speaker 2: who's currently the nominee but is almost certainly going to win.

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Speaker 3: The presumptive nominee I think.

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Speaker 2: Has expressed support for ending the gas tax outright, and

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03:18:49,440 --> 03:18:53,480
Speaker 2: his basic plan was something like, you have wealthy corporations

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Speaker 2: pay the money that the gas tax is currently going to,

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03:18:55,600 --> 03:18:58,800
Speaker 2: and you put that burden onto you know, corporations instead

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03:18:58,800 --> 03:19:01,879
Speaker 2: of people. Not uncommon, by the way, for the gas

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03:19:01,920 --> 03:19:06,320
Speaker 2: tax to be temporarily repealed. During the early months of

3432
03:19:06,400 --> 03:19:10,360
Speaker 2: the most recent escalation of the Russian invasion into Ukraine

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03:19:10,440 --> 03:19:13,320
Speaker 2: and the Biden administration back in twenty twenty two, Biden

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03:19:13,400 --> 03:19:16,560
Speaker 2: temporarily paused the federal gas tax. Right, So this is

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03:19:16,560 --> 03:19:19,359
Speaker 2: the thing that happens. It's just always a bad idea

3436
03:19:19,840 --> 03:19:22,320
Speaker 2: because it's the reason why you see people in the

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03:19:22,400 --> 03:19:25,400
Speaker 2: left and right make suggestions like this repeal state or

3438
03:19:25,440 --> 03:19:28,240
Speaker 2: federal gas taxes is because it's really easy. It's an

3439
03:19:28,280 --> 03:19:30,160
Speaker 2: easy way to say, like I'm looking out for you,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to take care of regular people. Gas is

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03:19:32,680 --> 03:19:35,200
Speaker 2: too darn expensive already, We've got to do everything we

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03:19:35,320 --> 03:19:38,040
Speaker 2: can to make your life easier. The problem is the

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03:19:38,120 --> 03:19:41,119
Speaker 2: Highway Trust Fund, which is absolutely critical for our roads

3444
03:19:41,160 --> 03:19:45,400
Speaker 2: being functional, is already always running at a deficit. In

3445
03:19:45,480 --> 03:19:48,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, it was a deficit of about thirteen

3446
03:19:48,520 --> 03:19:52,959
Speaker 2: billion dollars. The main reason for this is that, like transportation,

3447
03:19:53,120 --> 03:19:57,520
Speaker 2: infrastructure is aging every single year and falling behind. And

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Speaker 2: at the same time, that gas tax is not like

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03:20:00,040 --> 03:20:02,440
Speaker 2: peg to inflation or anything, so it has not been

3450
03:20:02,520 --> 03:20:06,120
Speaker 2: keeping pace with the actual needs of the Trust Fund.

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03:20:06,600 --> 03:20:10,200
Speaker 2: So anyway, we're already in a really bad situation with

3452
03:20:10,240 --> 03:20:14,360
Speaker 2: the HTF. Every time we pause these taxes, it gets

3453
03:20:14,440 --> 03:20:18,800
Speaker 2: much worse. And I'm worried right now that it was

3454
03:20:18,800 --> 03:20:21,039
Speaker 2: reasonable it may sound and say something like, well we

3455
03:20:21,040 --> 03:20:24,000
Speaker 2: should just have the rich pay for that. You're never

3456
03:20:24,080 --> 03:20:27,280
Speaker 2: going to have any kind of like move that does

3457
03:20:27,320 --> 03:20:29,440
Speaker 2: both of those things at once. They're going to start

3458
03:20:29,760 --> 03:20:32,200
Speaker 2: by repealing the gas tax, and then they'll never get

3459
03:20:32,240 --> 03:20:35,920
Speaker 2: around to replacing it with anything, and then the roads

3460
03:20:35,959 --> 03:20:38,440
Speaker 2: will just be bad forever. I think this is a

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03:20:38,480 --> 03:20:41,960
Speaker 2: bad idea, and I think you should be a little

3462
03:20:41,959 --> 03:20:46,200
Speaker 2: wary of politicians doing this because it's an easy way

3463
03:20:46,240 --> 03:20:48,879
Speaker 2: to get a win. But that said, damn near everybody

3464
03:20:49,000 --> 03:20:51,959
Speaker 2: is so how wary can you actually be? It's just

3465
03:20:52,000 --> 03:20:54,520
Speaker 2: a really irresponsible, bad idea that has a lot of

3466
03:20:54,520 --> 03:20:55,520
Speaker 2: bipartisan support.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Really, Ever since the no tax on Tips things, there's

3469
03:20:59,280 --> 03:21:01,960
Speaker 10: been this wave of of you know, people have called

3470
03:21:01,959 --> 03:21:04,640
Speaker 10: this like slopulist policies or like things that are that

3471
03:21:04,680 --> 03:21:07,920
Speaker 10: are that are you know, populist in framing, but have

3472
03:21:08,080 --> 03:21:11,640
Speaker 10: certain like economic problems or or get dispersed in weird ways.

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03:21:11,680 --> 03:21:14,280
Speaker 10: You knows. Me has talked about some specifics around the

3474
03:21:14,320 --> 03:21:17,400
Speaker 10: no tax on Tips policy, but there's there's there's been

3475
03:21:17,400 --> 03:21:20,600
Speaker 10: like a wave of these, you know, small targeted tax

3476
03:21:20,680 --> 03:21:22,959
Speaker 10: cuts on on on on various little things to kind

3477
03:21:22,959 --> 03:21:26,640
Speaker 10: of lift lift the financial burden that Americans are facing,

3478
03:21:26,920 --> 03:21:29,920
Speaker 10: you know, the better ones, you know, the ones like

3479
03:21:30,080 --> 03:21:34,040
Speaker 10: like like Platinum Strategy, which has a part of his

3480
03:21:34,200 --> 03:21:39,440
Speaker 10: plan increasing taxes on billionaires and oil corporations. But these

3481
03:21:39,440 --> 03:21:42,080
Speaker 10: sorts of taxes are just like little band aid solutions

3482
03:21:42,280 --> 03:21:45,520
Speaker 10: and that are almost like consolation prizes for not being

3483
03:21:45,520 --> 03:21:48,640
Speaker 10: able to just raise the corporate tax rate or income

3484
03:21:48,680 --> 03:21:52,600
Speaker 10: tax brackets. Right, And it's it's like we're adopting these

3485
03:21:52,640 --> 03:21:58,320
Speaker 10: consolation taxes for this presumed impossibility just actually raising taxes

3486
03:21:58,360 --> 03:21:59,959
Speaker 10: to the level of you know, if you look at

3487
03:22:00,080 --> 03:22:03,560
Speaker 10: the United States in like the nineteen fifties, super super high,

3488
03:22:03,800 --> 03:22:06,920
Speaker 10: super high level of taxes that actually funded social services.

3489
03:22:07,240 --> 03:22:09,240
Speaker 10: And you know one thing that could be frustrating about

3490
03:22:09,280 --> 03:22:12,039
Speaker 10: these these sorts of more like slopulist tax angles is

3491
03:22:12,040 --> 03:22:16,279
Speaker 10: it you know, it undermines the vital role of taxes

3492
03:22:16,320 --> 03:22:18,320
Speaker 10: to actually fund social services.

3493
03:22:18,800 --> 03:22:19,039
Speaker 2: Yep.

3494
03:22:19,080 --> 03:22:21,960
Speaker 10: Now should more of those taxes be funded by corporations

3495
03:22:22,000 --> 03:22:22,960
Speaker 10: and billionaires?

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03:22:23,080 --> 03:22:23,440
Speaker 8: Yeah?

3497
03:22:23,480 --> 03:22:26,760
Speaker 10: Absolutely, Yeah, But I think that should be the focus

3498
03:22:27,160 --> 03:22:29,680
Speaker 10: rather than these little itty bitty kind of you know,

3499
03:22:29,840 --> 03:22:33,439
Speaker 10: cutting away at the corners of like small, small targeted

3500
03:22:33,440 --> 03:22:36,080
Speaker 10: taxes that are that are again like us used as

3501
03:22:36,120 --> 03:22:40,240
Speaker 10: like you know, consolation prizes, rather than actually addressing the

3502
03:22:40,280 --> 03:22:42,880
Speaker 10: pretty significant, you know, tax reforms that need to happen

3503
03:22:42,920 --> 03:22:43,520
Speaker 10: in this country.

3504
03:22:44,120 --> 03:22:46,800
Speaker 2: And it's it's just dangerous in part because it acts

3505
03:22:46,800 --> 03:22:49,920
Speaker 2: as if what the gas tax is there to fund

3506
03:22:50,080 --> 03:22:54,360
Speaker 2: is optional, is not like necessary, like, well, we don't

3507
03:22:54,360 --> 03:22:57,520
Speaker 2: really need this, so we'll pause this whenever like things

3508
03:22:57,520 --> 03:22:59,200
Speaker 2: get bad because we don't need them. But will you

3509
03:22:59,280 --> 03:23:02,840
Speaker 2: do like our society is reliant upon the maintenance of

3510
03:23:02,879 --> 03:23:06,920
Speaker 2: that fund, and we shouldn't act like it's Yeah, this

3511
03:23:07,280 --> 03:23:08,360
Speaker 2: is very frustrating to me.

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03:23:08,720 --> 03:23:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see why the gas tax and particularus

3513
03:23:11,800 --> 03:23:15,200
Speaker 3: appealing right now. Right now, Yes, people are struggling, like

3514
03:23:15,280 --> 03:23:19,040
Speaker 3: it is literally seven dollars a gallon in pods of California.

3515
03:23:19,160 --> 03:23:20,880
Speaker 2: Oh, it's fucking nuts.

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03:23:21,000 --> 03:23:24,240
Speaker 3: Like people who like a lot of people who struggle

3517
03:23:24,240 --> 03:23:26,040
Speaker 3: to make it are really struggling to make it now. Yeah,

3518
03:23:26,040 --> 03:23:28,760
Speaker 3: why our society is set up means it's very hard

3519
03:23:28,800 --> 03:23:31,280
Speaker 3: for people to exist without a car. So you're like, yes,

3520
03:23:31,720 --> 03:23:33,800
Speaker 3: the populist appeal is obvious, and.

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03:23:34,040 --> 03:23:35,640
Speaker 2: As is always the case with this sort of thing,

3522
03:23:35,760 --> 03:23:37,680
Speaker 2: the fact that it has an appeal is based on

3523
03:23:37,800 --> 03:23:42,640
Speaker 2: ignorance because when roads are poorly maintained, it hosts regular

3524
03:23:42,720 --> 03:23:45,080
Speaker 2: people huge amounts of money, and the damage it does

3525
03:23:45,080 --> 03:23:48,000
Speaker 2: to their car far more than the gas tax costs them.

3526
03:23:48,080 --> 03:23:50,680
Speaker 2: This has been established. This is not like I think

3527
03:23:50,720 --> 03:23:52,800
Speaker 2: we have to wonder about. There have been studies into this,

3528
03:23:53,000 --> 03:23:55,520
Speaker 2: like you pay more money when the roads are bad

3529
03:23:55,560 --> 03:23:57,120
Speaker 2: because your car gets fucked up.

3530
03:23:57,920 --> 03:24:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's reasonable for people to say, well, a

3531
03:24:00,320 --> 03:24:03,199
Speaker 3: country has enough money, you can't we unfunck the roads,

3532
03:24:03,240 --> 03:24:06,360
Speaker 3: and yes, not charge me a lot of money. Unfortunately,

3533
03:24:06,360 --> 03:24:09,320
Speaker 3: we just spent thirty billion fucking invading Iran, so no

3534
03:24:09,520 --> 03:24:09,960
Speaker 3: we can't.

3535
03:24:10,240 --> 03:24:12,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you have to not do some of the

3536
03:24:12,520 --> 03:24:13,880
Speaker 2: other things that we're doing.

3537
03:24:14,360 --> 03:24:17,959
Speaker 3: Yeah that it's not up for grabs in the current

3538
03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:23,120
Speaker 3: political atmosphere, right, and even your d you're like mainstream Democrats, Yeah,

3539
03:24:23,400 --> 03:24:24,959
Speaker 3: aren't going to ride for that.

3540
03:24:25,120 --> 03:24:27,920
Speaker 10: No, I mean it requires pressure against mainstream Democrats and

3541
03:24:27,959 --> 03:24:31,920
Speaker 10: obviously the Republican establishment as well. Right, Like, part of

3542
03:24:31,959 --> 03:24:35,680
Speaker 10: Plantner's plan is a fifty percent per barrel windfall tax

3543
03:24:35,760 --> 03:24:39,360
Speaker 10: on big oil profits, which would be significant, but there

3544
03:24:39,360 --> 03:24:42,160
Speaker 10: will be a lot of pushback against this, including among

3545
03:24:42,200 --> 03:24:44,879
Speaker 10: the democratic establishment, and that might require getting rid of

3546
03:24:44,879 --> 03:24:47,560
Speaker 10: a whole bunch of these democratic establishment figures who are

3547
03:24:47,560 --> 03:24:48,960
Speaker 10: currently occupying seats of power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well everyone think about that.

3549
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