Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast.
Speaker 2: Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, arm Strong and Jetty and
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Speaker 3: So the first time ever, you can now buy a
Speaker 3: car directly on Amazon. The only hiccup is that, since
Speaker 3: it's Amazon, your car would be delivered in four thousand
Speaker 3: separate packets.
Speaker 1: I'll bet that might be the future of buying cars.
Speaker 1: I know Tesla started that. Some states outlawed it, which
Speaker 1: was awful. The idea of selling cars without a dealership.
Speaker 1: Do you need a dealership?
Speaker 2: Why? No, No, and so you Tesla.
Speaker 1: You just go online, you pick what kind of car
Speaker 1: you want, everything like that, and it shows up at
Speaker 1: your house. You got problems, you take it to a
Speaker 1: local place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just in case you're not familiar with that.
Speaker 4: The car dealers in various states, mostly Blue states, but
Speaker 4: not entirely bribe their legislatures that said no, it's dangerous
Speaker 4: to let people just buy a car directly. Say you
Speaker 4: never know what will happen. Is even bitter outlaw.
Speaker 1: Here's fifty thousand dollars for your next campaign. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: you do need a dealership. I don't know, but the
Speaker 1: idea of outlawing is crazy. But so Amazon selling cars.
Speaker 2: Now, there you go, that is interesting. Huh. I'll have
Speaker 2: to look into that.
Speaker 4: So a couple of notes about the transition, foreign policy,
Speaker 4: that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: This is not of any great significance. It's funny.
Speaker 4: Anytime I want to bring up the Biden administration what
Speaker 4: they're doing, I feel like, I don't know, I'm railing
Speaker 4: against last year's teacher or something in school.
Speaker 2: It's in the past. It almost doesn't matter except it again.
Speaker 2: And trust me when I say this, because I've studied
Speaker 2: this my whole life. Joe Biden is still the president.
Speaker 4: He still has the powers of the presidency, and they've
Speaker 4: been walking around crowing about the fall of the Assad regime,
Speaker 4: talking about well, Biden put out a statement the other day,
Speaker 4: Well his people did, he did. He's mumbling into his
Speaker 4: jello right now. Our approached them to his jell.
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 4: Our approach has shifted the balance of power in the
Speaker 4: Middle East. Through this combination of support for our partners,
Speaker 4: sanctions and diplomacy, and targeted military force when necessary, we
Speaker 4: now see new opportunities opening for the people of Syria
Speaker 4: and the entire regime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like they drew it.
Speaker 4: Up, writes the editorial board at the Wall Street Journal
Speaker 4: and Jake Sullivan talking about our unflagging support for our
Speaker 4: allies in the region.
Speaker 2: How unflagging? They point out that Israel.
Speaker 4: All of Israel's success in defeating Hamas and Hesba Llah
Speaker 4: and now knocking Iran seriously onto its heels, and Assad's
Speaker 4: houstle regime falling, all of it was because directly because
Speaker 4: Israel ignored the Biden administration.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I was just in the Bob Woodward book Wars, I
Speaker 1: went through the part where I forget which leader it
Speaker 1: was Israel assassinated. Remember they assassinated one of those high
Speaker 1: level Homas dudes in Tehran, and Biden went ape s
Speaker 1: on the phone with Netan Yahoo, according to Woodward's books,
Speaker 1: screaming at him.
Speaker 2: You efing a hole, You effing a hole. Do you
Speaker 2: know what you've done?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: So that's the unwavering support. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah?
Speaker 2: They listed off, blah blah blah blah bah.
Speaker 4: Mister Biden worked tard even blocking weapons to stop Israel
Speaker 4: from taking the fight to Hesbola. Even after eleven months
Speaker 4: of Hebola attacks, Biden argued that Israeli self defense would
Speaker 4: risk escalating into a regional war. He pushed a ceasefire
Speaker 4: that would have left hesbel at the height of its powers.
Speaker 4: Biden officials were furious Jack when Israel instead blew up
Speaker 4: his Bolla's pagers and took out its leader, Hassan Isralla.
Speaker 4: But now they congratulate themselves for a policy that, in
Speaker 4: Biden's words quote made it impossible for a Ran and
Speaker 4: has blood to continue to prop up the Asad regime. Wow,
Speaker 4: that's beyond revisionist history. I mean, that's just writing a novel,
Speaker 4: rss fiction. Here's a headline for you. Days after Trump's victory,
Speaker 4: Biden Harris administration granted Iran ten billion dollars in sanctions relief,
Speaker 4: according to a Congressional committee.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting.
Speaker 4: About all this and intriguing and I'm waiting to see
Speaker 4: how it plays out. Tulsey Gabbard was staunchly, vehemently against
Speaker 4: virtually every policy of Trump's first term, including those that
Speaker 4: worked out beautifully, that were bold, brilliant, decisive.
Speaker 2: He's praised practically universally for them. She is Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 2: On defense.
Speaker 1: It was harshly critical of Trump and praised USD a lot,
Speaker 1: and went and met with him and John Bolton, Trump's
Speaker 1: national security advisor, for a while. John Bolton on TV
Speaker 1: the the other day said, they're going to get into
Speaker 1: the archives there in Syria, and we may find out
Speaker 1: that Tulsi Gabbard was on the payroll. Well, and that's
Speaker 1: a high a thing the same from another, you know,
Speaker 1: cabinet member of Trump's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bolton's a bit of a bomb chucker, both literally
Speaker 2: and figuratively. I'll be curious to see that.
Speaker 4: But the other thing about Tulsi is she is one
Speaker 4: of the kremlins most effective spokespeople. She is way, way cooperative.
Speaker 4: She's a star of Russian TV. They were on clips
Speaker 4: of her all the time. I also State run TV.
Speaker 1: I also know a lot of you Magna people love her.
Speaker 1: I read social media. She's believed by a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I am aware of that as well.
Speaker 4: And that's that's why I think it's going to be
Speaker 4: so interesting to see play out. How do they square
Speaker 4: that circle, as they say, rectify those conflicts as Trump
Speaker 4: even aware of them. Is it just because she switched
Speaker 4: sides and kissed his butt?
Speaker 2: Why do you she's somebody I don't know.
Speaker 4: It strikes me as a very very odd choice, but
Speaker 4: we'll just have to see. And this final note on
Speaker 4: the question of transition, foreign policy and stuff. This is
Speaker 4: also from the Journal, but the headline is Biden is
Speaker 4: seding presidential influence to Trump and some Democrats are furious
Speaker 4: and they're talking about how And this was kind of
Speaker 4: the basis of my joke that Biden is still a president,
Speaker 4: and I do have to keep reminding myself of that
Speaker 4: in a way, because Trump is, he's in France, he's
Speaker 4: meeting with McCrone, he's got the world leaders, well Trudeau
Speaker 4: flying to mar Lago to beg him for you know,
Speaker 4: his kindness and mercy national.
Speaker 1: Have you said he's the most powerful president elect in
Speaker 1: modern history, without a doubt he is.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, clearly true.
Speaker 4: He is pulling many, many strings foreign policy, He's already
Speaker 4: dictating trade and immigration policy, has moved rapidly to remake
Speaker 4: the US government. You know all that ridiculous talk about
Speaker 4: on day one, I'm gonna do this on day one,
Speaker 4: and no, on day one, you're gonna go to the inauguration.
Speaker 4: You're gonna swear an oath on a Bible and you're
Speaker 4: probably gonna have dinner, right, You're gonna dance a bit
Speaker 4: because you got to.
Speaker 2: That's what you're gonna do. On day one.
Speaker 4: Well, Trump appears to be, I mean, really getting his
Speaker 4: troops in order. Some of his troops are odd choices
Speaker 4: again in my opinion, but he's absolutely taken the lame
Speaker 4: duck by its scrawny neck and tossed it aside.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, the political article that I never got to that
Speaker 1: came out over the weekend where even Democrats, unnamed sources
Speaker 1: in the White House feel like Joe Biden's not the
Speaker 1: president anymore.
Speaker 2: They're even like we're over.
Speaker 1: It so.
Speaker 2: Partially because he's so out of it all our institutione
Speaker 2: uh huh.
Speaker 4: Well, and I think it's yet another proof of how
Speaker 4: just stupidiculous the hole he's hitler we'll never have another election,
Speaker 4: talk was I hope the young people of America see
Speaker 4: this and grocket they figure it out. They won't a
Speaker 4: lot of them, But dudes and dudets, do you see
Speaker 4: how willing they are to say wild eyed, crazy stuff
Speaker 4: that they don't mean even a little bit.
Speaker 2: Just file that away for the next election. Please.
Speaker 4: This is one of the lamest of lame ducks. We've
Speaker 4: seen with a democratic administration, a massive missed opportunity, said
Speaker 4: a far left progressive Yahoo who I would hate.
Speaker 1: Well, we've got to hope is it nothing giant awful happens.
Speaker 1: So yesterday the breaking news we had while we're on
Speaker 1: the air, Taiwan announcing that China had their biggest military
Speaker 1: exercise going on in decades right off their and that
Speaker 1: you know, an exercise can turn into an invasion in
Speaker 1: a moment, And who's going to be in charge of
Speaker 1: making decisions on that if we have to decide where
Speaker 1: he coming to Taiwan's eight or not.
Speaker 4: Jake Sullivan's half drunk, Anthony Blinkn's on a beach in Hawaii.
Speaker 2: Probably they're they're like, wait what they did? What?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: What have Trump deal with it?
Speaker 3: That?
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Speaker 1: God, the eating season is so off to a rough
Speaker 1: start for me at my home. I have currently three
Speaker 1: pies in a giant cheesecake what and I'm really bad
Speaker 1: at like throwing stuff out.
Speaker 2: How do you throw out a great homemade dessert? You can't.
Speaker 2: You gotta eat the whole thing. No, that's sinful, all right,
Speaker 2: or give it to someone. But I don't know. I
Speaker 2: got to interne. I don't know what human garbage disposal
Speaker 2: given to somebody. They're beautiful pies. You can't eat all
Speaker 2: of that. Come on now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Somebody texted me the other day as complaining about my situation,
Speaker 1: which is not much to complain about, and they said,
Speaker 1: look forward to watching you on my six hundred pound life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just gonna say, is the scale had
Speaker 2: to talk with you? Yes, Katie.
Speaker 4: Oh, I was thinking, if you're having trouble finger you're out,
Speaker 4: were to take it?
Speaker 2: Just bring it to work? I could? I could, I might.
Speaker 1: I Actually I think I'm going to offload at least
Speaker 1: one pie tomorrow at work.
Speaker 2: That's such only a you problem. I have too many pies, dude.
Speaker 2: That is You're quite right, Katie.
Speaker 4: That is the first time I have ever heard that
Speaker 4: in my several decades on Earth.
Speaker 2: You know my problem? I have too many pies. Well,
Speaker 2: you know what it is.
Speaker 1: I've made it so clear to others what would be
Speaker 1: an easy gift to get me that I would appreciate.
Speaker 1: I think that's why it is, because I you know,
Speaker 1: I talk about pie. I have a T shirt I
Speaker 1: wear it says I love pie. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: it's I'm pretty transparent about this. And yes, the scale
Speaker 1: has talked to me. I'm at a record high.
Speaker 2: What a shock.
Speaker 1: I wonder if I could connect the dots. I need
Speaker 1: to do the research and connect the dots if eating
Speaker 1: pie and cheesecake every day now for a week has
Speaker 1: anything to do with them At the highest weight I've been.
Speaker 2: Of course, if I were you, I wouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to leap to anything. Huh ah, I wrong. You know,
Speaker 2: I get you, though, Katie. Back when the Dead Flowers
Speaker 2: used to play our crazy rock and roll shows, everybody
Speaker 2: knew I really liked Tankery Antonics, and so like two
Speaker 2: songs into the show, there'd be half a dozen Tankery
Speaker 2: Atonics on the edge of the stage in front of me,
Speaker 2: and I felt like, you know, it would be rude.
Speaker 4: Drink themselves would have to fight being incoherent. By the
Speaker 4: end of the thing starting them down. That's what I
Speaker 4: keep thinking to myself. If I eat an other piece
Speaker 4: of pie, I'm being poyed. I'm being a good person.
Speaker 1: No, No, some of the continuing efforts to make a
Speaker 1: folk here out of this murderous scumbag are absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: In another situation, the guy who got choked to death
Speaker 1: by Daniel Penny making a folk hero out of this dude,
Speaker 1: What the hell is this?
Speaker 2: Among other things, we'll get to this hour. I hope
Speaker 2: you can stay here.
Speaker 5: Heyety, definitely know who wins time sexiest alleged murderer of
Speaker 5: the year.
Speaker 3: That would go to the.
Speaker 5: Suspect in the shooting of the CEO of United Healthcare.
Speaker 5: Who's become the hottest cold blooded killer in America. I'm
Speaker 5: not sure what this says about us whatever, Since these
Speaker 5: photos of him came out from his holding cell, from
Speaker 5: his mugshot, someone found his abs somewhere online. Ryan Murphy
Speaker 5: right now is flying and Netflix headquarters in a jetpack.
Speaker 2: So many women and so many.
Speaker 5: Men are going nuts over how good looking this killer is.
Speaker 5: And there's a huge wave of horny washing over us
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Speaker 2: Slide one.
Speaker 5: One of the guys you work with says he, I
Speaker 5: had a dream about you last night. When it's the
Speaker 5: FedEx guy with the big muscles and the rolled up sleeves,
Speaker 5: you're like, oh, but if it's the bald it guy
Speaker 5: wearing crocs with black socks, you're on the phone with HR.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's actually factually true. Yeah, the whole the
Speaker 1: Killer's Hot thing is well, it's weird, but who did
Speaker 1: originally put it? Like the first picture I saw the
Speaker 1: guy was him shirtless on vacation, ripped like he's Wolverine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, weird.
Speaker 4: Well that's the sort of picture you post online. That's
Speaker 4: what people got to access to, right.
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Speaker 1: did his first interview yesterday talking about how it unfolded
Speaker 1: and what it felt like and choking a guy to
Speaker 1: death and the whole thing. So we got that coming
Speaker 1: up and then some of the efforts to make a
Speaker 1: hero out of the guy who got choked to death.
Speaker 1: So uh, stay tuned for that. Caitlin Clark was named
Speaker 1: Athlete of the Year by Time Magazine. If you're old,
Speaker 1: you think that means something, perhaps if you're younger than
Speaker 1: fifty eighth?
Speaker 2: What is Time magazine? What is a magazine at all?
Speaker 2: What's a magazine?
Speaker 5: I know?
Speaker 1: I like when they put out online the picture of
Speaker 1: the cover of magazines for people to try to imply
Speaker 1: that the magazine is like still showing up in people's.
Speaker 4: Mailboxes and people are putting on their coffee table to
Speaker 4: read later this week. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a weird game we play. I wonder how long
Speaker 1: this lasts. We got to be on the tail end
Speaker 1: of this, I would think. But of course Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: is the athlete of the year. Who else would be.
Speaker 1: She's the dominant story of the year. But the most
Speaker 1: googled athlete of the year, and I don't remember what
Speaker 1: her name is. I don't even want to look at
Speaker 1: my phone to figure it out. Was the dude that
Speaker 1: trounced all the women in Olympic boxing? That was the
Speaker 1: most googled female athlete of the year, female's athlete of
Speaker 1: the year. As people say, what, there's a guy, the
Speaker 1: trans woman guy beaten up women. Yeah, in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: So that was a good story.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 4: The Olympics bringing the nations of the world together to
Speaker 4: watch a man punch a woman in the face over
Speaker 4: and over again.
Speaker 2: Very excited. But it's okay because he says I'm a woman.
Speaker 4: He actually is one of those people with the rare
Speaker 4: you know, internal testes or whatever. The situation is a rare,
Speaker 4: a fairly rare syndrome that makes you, you know, kind
Speaker 4: of hermaphroditic we're going.
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Speaker 2: But too much work, too much, but to being held
Speaker 2: against my will help.
Speaker 1: But today horn Hub put out their list of the
Speaker 1: most searched terms of the year, and it's actually pretty
Speaker 1: interesting and not just in a you know, high school
Speaker 1: locker room sort of way.
Speaker 4: I made a cringey face. I'm not sure I'm comfortable
Speaker 4: enough to uncringe yet.
Speaker 1: I promise it's kind of interesting. But it'll also be
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Speaker 2: Oh not safe for work friends, raw content.
Speaker 1: Al Sharpton's one of the worst human beings on earth,
Speaker 1: standing up for the victim. Victim finger quotes of Daniel Penny, stay.
Speaker 2: Tuned, Armstrong and getty.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I noticed him at first when he
Speaker 6: came on, you know, And as soon as the doors closed,
Speaker 6: he was carrying a jacket and he whipped the jacket down.
Speaker 6: I was standing and it landed on the feet of
Speaker 6: the passenger sitting down next to me. The zipper made
Speaker 6: a very audible noise. At that point, the train car
Speaker 6: went completely silent, and he starts demanding things. He's demanded
Speaker 6: three different things, you know, certain types of food, certain
Speaker 6: types of drinks, and that he was willing to go
Speaker 6: to jail forever if he didn't get these things. And
Speaker 6: then it kind of escalated. He was saying, he repeated,
Speaker 6: I was going to go to jail for life. I'm
Speaker 6: willing to hurt people. I'm willing to kill people. I'm
Speaker 6: going to kill people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you're in a subway car and a guy gets
Speaker 1: on looking crazy, he yelling he's willing to hurt people.
Speaker 1: He's willing to kill people to get what he wants.
Speaker 1: What unnerved me, that's Daniel Penny, obviously, if he'd been
Speaker 1: following that case at all, who was acquitted this week
Speaker 1: and as a freeman now after he had decided to
Speaker 1: subdue this dude put him in a chokehold. Guy dies,
Speaker 1: and that's how it became such a national story. And
Speaker 1: he was being charged with what was the worst charge
Speaker 1: he had it before it was dropped. Oh, I can't remember.
Speaker 2: It was bad though.
Speaker 1: He was gonna he was gonna go to jail for
Speaker 1: a long time if he's found guilty. Let's hear a
Speaker 1: little more from the Daniel Penny interview before we roll alone.
Speaker 6: He was just threatening to kill people. Who's threatening to
Speaker 6: go to jail forever, go to jail for the rest
Speaker 6: of his life. And now where I'm on the ground
Speaker 6: with him, I'm on my back in a very vulnerable position.
Speaker 2: If I just would have let go, now he turns,
Speaker 2: Why is that a vulnerable position?
Speaker 6: Well, if I just let him go, I'm on my
Speaker 6: back now he can just turn around and start doing
Speaker 6: what he said to me, So killing, killing, hurting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, you get a hold of me, you're on
Speaker 1: the ground, you let him go, he's gonna kick you
Speaker 1: in the head or punch in the face or who
Speaker 1: knows what. You don't know if he's got lifely at
Speaker 1: the top of you judge. Yeah, I assume she was
Speaker 1: asking that question just to spell it out for her
Speaker 1: viewers or right. Yeah, anyway, I'm going to try to
Speaker 1: not make this like super dumbed down talk radio thingy,
Speaker 1: because this is a complex issue.
Speaker 2: We talked already about the fact.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk tweeted out yesterday a link to a San
Speaker 1: Francisco Chronicle article about homeless housing and basically, what a
Speaker 1: disaster the homeless housing thing is in San Francisco, And
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's the same in New York and everywhere
Speaker 1: else where. They live in squalor, they fight and kill
Speaker 1: each other, they die of drug overdoses, they get evicted
Speaker 1: for failure to follow the rules, They threat and abuse staff.
Speaker 1: Nobody's being like rehabbed or housed or taken off the streets.
Speaker 1: And Elon Musk said, in most cases, the word holmeless
Speaker 1: is a lie. It's usually a propaganda word for violent
Speaker 1: drug addicts with severe mental illness. Well, we'll get to
Speaker 1: the life of mister Neely here in just a second.
Speaker 1: Who was all those things that Elon Musk just described.
Speaker 1: But some of the people who are very unhappy with
Speaker 1: the Penny verdict from yesterday, the New York version of
Speaker 1: the Civil Liberties Union, this case will forever be a
Speaker 1: symbol of New York's failure to adequately care for people
Speaker 1: with mental health needs and those experiencing homelessness. Okay, they said,
Speaker 1: Jordan Neely deserved basic human rights, a safe place to live,
Speaker 1: enough to eat, and access to mental health care.
Speaker 2: He should still be alive. Today.
Speaker 1: We could go off on that topic of do all
Speaker 1: human beings deserve basic a place to live, enough to eat,
Speaker 1: and access to health care?
Speaker 4: Or you need to figure out a way to provide
Speaker 4: that in your life. And I'm pretty sure it was
Speaker 4: a community note. You have the community note to that statement.
Speaker 4: On Twitter, somebody tweeted it out and commented, after Neely
Speaker 4: punched an elderly, We're.
Speaker 2: Going to go through that whole thing, through that whole timeline. Yeah,
Speaker 2: al shaped all of those things. Is the point he
Speaker 2: was given all of those things?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, even after you get past my question of
Speaker 1: does everybody deserve that provided by the taxpayer? Everyone some
Speaker 1: place to live, something to eat, and healthcare. Okay, Reveren
Speaker 1: now Sharpton. Yesterday, Jordan, I didn't know you. I know
Speaker 1: your aunt, and I've talked to your daddy, and one
Speaker 1: thing I promise is in your name, we're going to
Speaker 1: change how they deal with homelessness, and your name, we're
Speaker 1: going to change how they deal with the mentally ill
Speaker 1: and now and then that started a movement toward raising
Speaker 1: money for all kinds of different things, scholarships, a statue,
Speaker 1: a new rehab facility, a new homeless center.
Speaker 2: All of that will raise.
Speaker 1: Lots of money and nothing will be accomplished. And I'm
Speaker 1: not just being cynical here. I know because I've seen
Speaker 1: this happened before. You can easily get in an afternoon
Speaker 1: one hundred grand to show up to put up a statue.
Speaker 1: Somebody puts up a fifteen thousand dollars statue, and eighty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars just disappears someplace. Same thing with the scholarship,
Speaker 1: same thing with a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, and there's no question that we need to do
Speaker 4: a better job of dealing with the mentally ill. But
Speaker 4: you know, this is a classic example of the something
Speaker 4: needs to happen. This is something, so therefore, this needs
Speaker 4: to happen. So now to bring me your solutions, let's.
Speaker 2: Talk about them.
Speaker 1: And again I'm trying to make this realize, this is recognized,
Speaker 1: this is a complex issue. What do you do with
Speaker 1: mentally ill people?
Speaker 2: What do you do with drug addicts? Well, let's go
Speaker 2: through mister Neely's life.
Speaker 1: Mister Neely racked up more than three dozen arrests in
Speaker 1: his life before he was choked to death. Many were
Speaker 1: of the sort that people living on the street, often
Speaker 1: a crew while homeless, like turnstile jumping or trespassing, but
Speaker 1: at least four were on charges of punching people.
Speaker 2: Two of them in the subway system. We'll get to
Speaker 2: that later.
Speaker 1: Outreach workers noted that mister Neely heavily used K two,
Speaker 1: the powerful, unpredictable synthetic marijuana, which, by the way, when
Speaker 1: you're on it will make you do horrible things, but
Speaker 1: will ruin your brain.
Speaker 2: And there ain't no fixing that. And what do we
Speaker 2: do with those people? Back to that, We'll get to
Speaker 2: that again later.
Speaker 1: In June of twenty nineteen, an outreach worker noticed that
Speaker 1: mister Neely had lost considerable weight and was sleeping Upright
Speaker 1: around that time, he was reported to have banged on
Speaker 1: a booth agent's door and threatened a killer, according to
Speaker 1: the worker's notes.
Speaker 2: Then he was gone.
Speaker 1: At some point, mister Neely became a client of an
Speaker 1: intensive mobile treatment team, one of the squads of mental
Speaker 1: health clinicians who minister to people in the streets and shelters.
Speaker 2: I have a relative who actually does that kind of work.
Speaker 1: In March of twenty twenty, the team had mister Neely
Speaker 1: taken to Bellevue Hospital where he was kept for a week.
Speaker 1: According to Homeless Outreach records, it was not clear what
Speaker 1: contact of the team had with him after that. This
Speaker 1: gets to Joe's point that he did get that care
Speaker 1: that the ACLU and COLU was claiming he deserved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, he deserved it, and he got it.
Speaker 1: In November, at twenty twenty one, mister Neeley's aggression scene
Speaker 1: to peak when he punched a sixty seven year old
Speaker 1: woman in the street on the Lower East Side. The
Speaker 1: police said the woman suffered several facial injuries, including a
Speaker 1: broken nose. According to court documents, obviously it's just luck
Speaker 1: that she didn't die. He was charged with assault and,
Speaker 1: awaiting the resolution of his case, spent fifteen months in jail,
Speaker 1: the police said, though his family said the stint was shorter.
Speaker 1: He pleaded guilty on February ninth of this year in
Speaker 1: a carefully planned strategy between the city and his lawyers
Speaker 1: to allow him to get treatment and stay out of prison.
Speaker 2: Treatment for your drug addiction.
Speaker 4: Do you know what the goal is today? The judge
Speaker 4: said yes. Mister Neely replied, what is a goal?
Speaker 1: To make it physically and mentally to the program he
Speaker 1: was to go from court to live at a treatment
Speaker 1: facility in the Bronx and stay cleaned for fifteen months.
Speaker 1: In return, his felony conviction would be reduced. I don't
Speaker 1: know that that's what we need to do as a society,
Speaker 1: but anyway, he promised to take his medication into avoid drugs,
Speaker 1: and not to leave the facility without permission. This is
Speaker 1: a wonderful opportunity to turn things around, and we're glad
Speaker 1: to give it to you, the prosecutor said, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Mister Neely replied. Thirteen days later, he abandoned
Speaker 1: the facility. The judge issued a warrant for his arrest.
Speaker 1: He goes on to do a variety of other minor things,
Speaker 1: and Nan shows up on the subway screaming you only
Speaker 1: he's going to kill people. If he doesn't get what
Speaker 1: he wants, he gets in a joke hold and he's dead,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: So, to Elon Musk's point, the word homeless is a lie.
Speaker 2: Most of the time.
Speaker 1: It's a you got a drug addict here, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: whose brain doesn't work because of their drug use.
Speaker 2: Are we going to address this or not?
Speaker 1: What would it take to get the country the States
Speaker 1: of the cities to talk about it like it what
Speaker 1: it really is.
Speaker 4: A educating mister and missus resident of whatever state you
Speaker 4: want to talk about so they understand this. But I
Speaker 4: think the way you cut through the misinformation about this
Speaker 4: is to take the profit out of it. There are
Speaker 4: billions and billions of dollars being given. People always talk
Speaker 4: about it being spent, which is true, but it's being
Speaker 4: spent on something and someone.
Speaker 2: Is getting it.
Speaker 4: The people who are getting billions of dollars to deal
Speaker 4: with the quote unquote homeless problem don't want to give
Speaker 4: that up, and they are frequently the cronies are the powerful.
Speaker 4: You combine those people with the well meaning but soft
Speaker 4: headed that have caused so many problems in our society,
Speaker 4: and you just you've got to take the profit out
Speaker 4: of it, I know, because then you got to deal
Speaker 4: with the reality.
Speaker 1: Well, the reality is tough, because even if we are
Speaker 1: going to today as a country decide okay, no more
Speaker 1: calling it homeless. Let's call it a drug addiction problem.
Speaker 1: Now what, I don't know the answer, And I think
Speaker 1: I know more than the average person knows about addiction
Speaker 1: and rehabs and all that sort of stuff, and they
Speaker 1: don't work very often in the best of cases.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as a lover of liberty, I have had my
Speaker 4: mind changed on this topic in a significant way.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to hear that. I assume you're implying after this.
Speaker 4: After this, Yeah, as I reach awkwardly for my hey
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals, who won on
Speaker 4: Monday night, whilst his home was being broken into and
Speaker 4: his girlfriend or whoever was living there had to call
Speaker 4: the police.
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Speaker 2: your solution. I think this is true.
Speaker 1: Al Sharpton is a charlatan. He absolutely knows I get
Speaker 1: people worked up. They donate money to various things. I
Speaker 1: end up on the board or something, get a check,
Speaker 1: or get to fly around and stay at a hotel
Speaker 1: and eat meals whatever.
Speaker 2: He's a charlatan.
Speaker 1: But I think, like the ACLU version in New York whatever,
Speaker 1: I think they actually believe that we're it's a homeless problem,
Speaker 1: and we're not doing enough to help homeless drug addicts.
Speaker 1: I think how they ignore the fact the guy was
Speaker 1: in how many different facilities and offered how many Why
Speaker 1: would society say that if you go to this rehab
Speaker 1: for a month, will forget the that you almost killed
Speaker 1: an old woman.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure society should say that to start with,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't work anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he got food and housing and services over
Speaker 2: and over again. So what was I gonna say?
Speaker 4: Oh, Al Sharpton's precisely what he's always been. He's a
Speaker 4: race hustler and a scammer and a black man.
Speaker 1: And Morning Joe has him on almost every single morning
Speaker 1: and takes him completely seriously on MSNBC.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's what I wanted to point out the ACLU
Speaker 4: people that they're hardcore Marxists. And I used to be
Speaker 4: a quote unquote card carrying member of the ACLU because
Speaker 4: I'm a First Amendment freak.
Speaker 2: But that was back in the day.
Speaker 4: But like the Southern Poverty Law Center and the NAACP,
Speaker 4: they've turned into hard left, neo Marxist organizations. They've evolved.
Speaker 4: It's a different beast than it used to be. But anyway,
Speaker 4: as a oh my gosh, look at the time, as.
Speaker 1: A lover of literature, we should we come back in
Speaker 1: the low time for this. We got and a half
Speaker 1: two hours and fifteen more minutes. We should not rush
Speaker 1: through these things. These are important details.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I hate to rush rush our way through
Speaker 4: important stuff that's nuanced.
Speaker 1: And I'll give us a short version of why I
Speaker 1: get so worked up about this topic because of what
Speaker 1: the police said to me when I was in this situation.
Speaker 2: Oh makes me so freaking angry. Got all that on
Speaker 2: the way. So thank god Daniel Penny was acquitted.
Speaker 1: It still may be damaging to society and know that
Speaker 1: you could even be arrested and have to go through that.
Speaker 1: When I was standing between a crazed, violent drug addict
Speaker 1: street person who was screaming at my small children, who
Speaker 1: at the time were five and seven, I'm going to
Speaker 1: effing rape them. I'm going to effing murder them. I'm
Speaker 1: going to kill them, I'm going to bury them. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna blah blah blah screaming at me, screaming at them,
Speaker 1: and I'm standing between him and there, and he's like
Speaker 1: two feet from me. In retrospect, I think I probably
Speaker 1: should have put my hands on the guy. Luckily it
Speaker 1: turned out the way he did. But it's just his macurial,
Speaker 1: drug crazed mind. When after what seemed like an hour
Speaker 1: of this it might have been three minutes, some guys
Speaker 1: started walking across the parking lot and he realized there's
Speaker 1: not only one dude here, but about to be two dudes.
Speaker 1: He started to walk away. Then he said after I'm
Speaker 1: gonna kill you. He reached in his jacket. I thought, grap,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die. He's got a gun, and then he
Speaker 1: walked off. Turned out he didn't have a gun. I
Speaker 1: don't know if somebody screaming I'm gonna effing kill your
Speaker 1: kids I suppose.
Speaker 2: You can put your hands on them at that point,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Not in the town I live, I
Speaker 2: don't know. But anyway, I called the police.
Speaker 1: The first thing the cops say to me when I
Speaker 1: describe what's happening and everything like that was and I said,
Speaker 1: I got to deal with this. You know, my kids
Speaker 1: are crying, And he said the real problem is that
Speaker 1: we don't have facilities for these people to be in.
Speaker 2: First thing that freaking cops said to me.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Now I complained about that on the.
Speaker 1: Air the next day, and I think that's the react
Speaker 1: why I got the reaction I did out of the
Speaker 1: prosecutor and the police department. I think I got special
Speaker 1: treatment from being a media guy who embarrassed them on
Speaker 1: the air, or that I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Have gotten that a repeatedly violent drug addict. The real
Speaker 4: tragedy is that he can't get help. The first thing
Speaker 4: the guy said to me, How offensive is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And so does that your actual belief about the world.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 4: People are completely delusional about reality. They cannot accept reality.
Speaker 4: I've said this many times. The real divide in American
Speaker 4: politics is those people who are adults who understand reality
Speaker 4: and understand sometimes you have to do stuff that's sad
Speaker 4: or makes your heart hurt and you'd rather not, but
Speaker 4: you have to as a society.
Speaker 2: Some people can can deal with that and some people cannot.
Speaker 4: And they are generally progressives who are wantonly cruel when
Speaker 4: they need to be, which is a bit of a paradox.
Speaker 4: But what I was about to say about the drug
Speaker 4: thing is, and you know, as a small libertarian, I
Speaker 4: always want to opt to the side of more liberty.
Speaker 4: But there are absolute perfect parallels between like some way
Speaker 4: out there libertarians who believe we ought to have open borders,
Speaker 4: free flow of labor. But they always say that they're
Speaker 4: there are little meetings where you know, they concoct their
Speaker 4: ridiculous plans, but we need to completely eliminate the welfare state.
Speaker 4: And you've come and you work, and if you don't work,
Speaker 4: you don't get anything, and then it will work. Well,
Speaker 4: that's utterly, completely, laughably unrealistic. There is no way you
Speaker 4: are going to get the people in the government of
Speaker 4: the United States to completely dismantle the welfare state.
Speaker 2: Stop it.
Speaker 4: You might as well talk about pigs flying information like
Speaker 4: the Blue Angels. So with the drug thing, and it's
Speaker 4: been interesting to watch it play out, particularly in Oregon,
Speaker 4: where they decriminalized possession use of hard drugs and ask
Speaker 4: the people of Oregon how that went.
Speaker 2: It's been a miserable, miserable failure.
Speaker 4: And they rescinded that law and are now back to,
Speaker 4: at least to some extent, cracking down on possession and use.
Speaker 4: I was swayed at one time in my life by
Speaker 4: the great libertarians setting saying rather that drugs will ruin
Speaker 4: your life. Therefore, if we catch you with drugs, we're
Speaker 4: going to ruin your life. And I thought that was
Speaker 4: very clever, and it is actually, But here's the problem,
Speaker 4: and it's there's a parallel with the immigration thing in
Speaker 4: that if you say to me in society, yes, you
Speaker 4: can use and possess hard drugs if you like, but
Speaker 4: if you violate any of the rules and laws of manner. God,
Speaker 4: you are going to suffer the full consequences of it.
Speaker 4: We're not gonna let you say, but I was on drugs.
Speaker 4: If you ruin your mind, you're not allowed to say,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm crazy. No, you have made the decision
Speaker 4: to use hard drugs. That road led very quickly and
Speaker 4: directly towards the horrendous thing you did. You will feel
Speaker 4: the full weight of the law.
Speaker 1: As opposed to this guy that got choked to death
Speaker 1: by Daniel Penny, who had punched an old woman in
Speaker 1: the face, could have killed her, and they were gonna
Speaker 1: let that slide. If he did the drug treatment treatment
Speaker 1: thing over.
Speaker 4: And over again. Yeah, yeah, And it's well meaning, that
Speaker 4: sort of program. And if you want to have a
Speaker 4: one strike you're out system, I'm willing to consider that.
Speaker 4: But the problem is, like the immigration thing, there is
Speaker 4: no urge, there's no will that I've observed to.
Speaker 2: Do the second half of the equation.
Speaker 4: We're going to legalize hard drugs, decriminalize them, but if
Speaker 4: you across the line, you're going to feel the full
Speaker 4: weight of the law. Americans don't seem at least a
Speaker 4: large percentage electorate doesn't seem willing to do that. It
Speaker 4: strikes them as too mean or too cruel, and so
Speaker 4: you get the worst of both ends. You have all
Speaker 4: these people destroying their lives with addiction and screwing up
Speaker 4: cities and towns and hurting people and claiming more victims.
Speaker 2: Oh and then the other end of this.
Speaker 4: Is that I think we do people a real favor
Speaker 4: by making it as difficult and miserable as possible to
Speaker 4: be a drug addict. Otherwise, society becomes the enabler. Society
Speaker 4: becomes the boyfriend their girlfriend that keeps giving the money
Speaker 4: and covering up for their crime and the rest of you.
Speaker 1: No, we're the parents that let your drug addicted kid
Speaker 1: live in the basement and let them have a car
Speaker 1: and a phone.
Speaker 4: And bail them out time and time again. It's just
Speaker 4: a simple reality. It's it's unfortunate and it feels mean,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's it's inescapably true. You've got to make
Speaker 4: it miserable for people to become drug addicts. You know what,
Speaker 4: you get fewer drug addicts.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing is certain, what we're doing currently is
Speaker 1: not working. Miserable failure. If you mentioned hour or the show,
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