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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast.

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Speaker 2: Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, arm Strong and Jetty and

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Speaker 2: he Armstrong and Yetty.

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Speaker 3: So the first time ever, you can now buy a

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Speaker 3: car directly on Amazon. The only hiccup is that, since

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Speaker 3: it's Amazon, your car would be delivered in four thousand

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Speaker 3: separate packets.

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Speaker 1: I'll bet that might be the future of buying cars.

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Speaker 1: I know Tesla started that. Some states outlawed it, which

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Speaker 1: was awful. The idea of selling cars without a dealership.

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Speaker 1: Do you need a dealership?

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Speaker 2: Why? No, No, and so you Tesla.

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Speaker 1: You just go online, you pick what kind of car

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Speaker 1: you want, everything like that, and it shows up at

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Speaker 1: your house. You got problems, you take it to a

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Speaker 1: local place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just in case you're not familiar with that.

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Speaker 4: The car dealers in various states, mostly Blue states, but

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Speaker 4: not entirely bribe their legislatures that said no, it's dangerous

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Speaker 4: to let people just buy a car directly. Say you

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Speaker 4: never know what will happen. Is even bitter outlaw.

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Speaker 1: Here's fifty thousand dollars for your next campaign. Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: you do need a dealership. I don't know, but the

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Speaker 1: idea of outlawing is crazy. But so Amazon selling cars.

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Speaker 2: Now, there you go, that is interesting. Huh. I'll have

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Speaker 2: to look into that.

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Speaker 4: So a couple of notes about the transition, foreign policy,

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Speaker 4: that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: This is not of any great significance. It's funny.

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Speaker 4: Anytime I want to bring up the Biden administration what

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Speaker 4: they're doing, I feel like, I don't know, I'm railing

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Speaker 4: against last year's teacher or something in school.

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Speaker 2: It's in the past. It almost doesn't matter except it again.

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Speaker 2: And trust me when I say this, because I've studied

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Speaker 2: this my whole life. Joe Biden is still the president.

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Speaker 4: He still has the powers of the presidency, and they've

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Speaker 4: been walking around crowing about the fall of the Assad regime,

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Speaker 4: talking about well, Biden put out a statement the other day,

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Speaker 4: Well his people did, he did. He's mumbling into his

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Speaker 4: jello right now. Our approached them to his jell.

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Speaker 2: Come on.

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Speaker 4: Our approach has shifted the balance of power in the

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Speaker 4: Middle East. Through this combination of support for our partners,

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Speaker 4: sanctions and diplomacy, and targeted military force when necessary, we

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Speaker 4: now see new opportunities opening for the people of Syria

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Speaker 4: and the entire regime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like they drew it.

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Speaker 4: Up, writes the editorial board at the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 4: and Jake Sullivan talking about our unflagging support for our

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Speaker 4: allies in the region.

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Speaker 2: How unflagging? They point out that Israel.

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Speaker 4: All of Israel's success in defeating Hamas and Hesba Llah

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Speaker 4: and now knocking Iran seriously onto its heels, and Assad's

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Speaker 4: houstle regime falling, all of it was because directly because

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Speaker 4: Israel ignored the Biden administration.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I was just in the Bob Woodward book Wars, I

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Speaker 1: went through the part where I forget which leader it

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Speaker 1: was Israel assassinated. Remember they assassinated one of those high

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Speaker 1: level Homas dudes in Tehran, and Biden went ape s

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Speaker 1: on the phone with Netan Yahoo, according to Woodward's books,

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Speaker 1: screaming at him.

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Speaker 2: You efing a hole, You effing a hole. Do you

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Speaker 2: know what you've done?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: So that's the unwavering support. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They listed off, blah blah blah blah bah.

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Speaker 4: Mister Biden worked tard even blocking weapons to stop Israel

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Speaker 4: from taking the fight to Hesbola. Even after eleven months

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Speaker 4: of Hebola attacks, Biden argued that Israeli self defense would

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Speaker 4: risk escalating into a regional war. He pushed a ceasefire

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Speaker 4: that would have left hesbel at the height of its powers.

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Speaker 4: Biden officials were furious Jack when Israel instead blew up

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Speaker 4: his Bolla's pagers and took out its leader, Hassan Isralla.

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Speaker 4: But now they congratulate themselves for a policy that, in

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Speaker 4: Biden's words quote made it impossible for a Ran and

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Speaker 4: has blood to continue to prop up the Asad regime. Wow,

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Speaker 4: that's beyond revisionist history. I mean, that's just writing a novel,

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Speaker 4: rss fiction. Here's a headline for you. Days after Trump's victory,

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Speaker 4: Biden Harris administration granted Iran ten billion dollars in sanctions relief,

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Speaker 4: according to a Congressional committee.

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting.

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Speaker 4: About all this and intriguing and I'm waiting to see

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Speaker 4: how it plays out. Tulsey Gabbard was staunchly, vehemently against

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Speaker 4: virtually every policy of Trump's first term, including those that

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Speaker 4: worked out beautifully, that were bold, brilliant, decisive.

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Speaker 2: He's praised practically universally for them. She is Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 2: On defense.

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Speaker 1: It was harshly critical of Trump and praised USD a lot,

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Speaker 1: and went and met with him and John Bolton, Trump's

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Speaker 1: national security advisor, for a while. John Bolton on TV

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Speaker 1: the the other day said, they're going to get into

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Speaker 1: the archives there in Syria, and we may find out

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Speaker 1: that Tulsi Gabbard was on the payroll. Well, and that's

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Speaker 1: a high a thing the same from another, you know,

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Speaker 1: cabinet member of Trump's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bolton's a bit of a bomb chucker, both literally

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Speaker 2: and figuratively. I'll be curious to see that.

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Speaker 4: But the other thing about Tulsi is she is one

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Speaker 4: of the kremlins most effective spokespeople. She is way, way cooperative.

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Speaker 4: She's a star of Russian TV. They were on clips

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Speaker 4: of her all the time. I also State run TV.

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Speaker 1: I also know a lot of you Magna people love her.

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Speaker 1: I read social media. She's believed by a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: I am aware of that as well.

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Speaker 4: And that's that's why I think it's going to be

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Speaker 4: so interesting to see play out. How do they square

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Speaker 4: that circle, as they say, rectify those conflicts as Trump

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Speaker 4: even aware of them. Is it just because she switched

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Speaker 4: sides and kissed his butt?

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Speaker 2: Why do you she's somebody I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It strikes me as a very very odd choice, but

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Speaker 4: we'll just have to see. And this final note on

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Speaker 4: the question of transition, foreign policy and stuff. This is

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Speaker 4: also from the Journal, but the headline is Biden is

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Speaker 4: seding presidential influence to Trump and some Democrats are furious

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Speaker 4: and they're talking about how And this was kind of

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Speaker 4: the basis of my joke that Biden is still a president,

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Speaker 4: and I do have to keep reminding myself of that

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Speaker 4: in a way, because Trump is, he's in France, he's

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Speaker 4: meeting with McCrone, he's got the world leaders, well Trudeau

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Speaker 4: flying to mar Lago to beg him for you know,

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Speaker 4: his kindness and mercy national.

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Speaker 1: Have you said he's the most powerful president elect in

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Speaker 1: modern history, without a doubt he is.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, clearly true.

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Speaker 4: He is pulling many, many strings foreign policy, He's already

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Speaker 4: dictating trade and immigration policy, has moved rapidly to remake

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Speaker 4: the US government. You know all that ridiculous talk about

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Speaker 4: on day one, I'm gonna do this on day one,

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Speaker 4: and no, on day one, you're gonna go to the inauguration.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna swear an oath on a Bible and you're

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Speaker 4: probably gonna have dinner, right, You're gonna dance a bit

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Speaker 4: because you got to.

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Speaker 2: That's what you're gonna do. On day one.

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Speaker 4: Well, Trump appears to be, I mean, really getting his

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Speaker 4: troops in order. Some of his troops are odd choices

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Speaker 4: again in my opinion, but he's absolutely taken the lame

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Speaker 4: duck by its scrawny neck and tossed it aside.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, the political article that I never got to that

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Speaker 1: came out over the weekend where even Democrats, unnamed sources

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Speaker 1: in the White House feel like Joe Biden's not the

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Speaker 1: president anymore.

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Speaker 2: They're even like we're over.

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Speaker 1: It so.

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Speaker 2: Partially because he's so out of it all our institutione

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Speaker 2: uh huh.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I think it's yet another proof of how

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Speaker 4: just stupidiculous the hole he's hitler we'll never have another election,

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Speaker 4: talk was I hope the young people of America see

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Speaker 4: this and grocket they figure it out. They won't a

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Speaker 4: lot of them, But dudes and dudets, do you see

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Speaker 4: how willing they are to say wild eyed, crazy stuff

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Speaker 4: that they don't mean even a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Just file that away for the next election. Please.

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Speaker 4: This is one of the lamest of lame ducks. We've

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Speaker 4: seen with a democratic administration, a massive missed opportunity, said

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Speaker 4: a far left progressive Yahoo who I would hate.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've got to hope is it nothing giant awful happens.

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Speaker 1: So yesterday the breaking news we had while we're on

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Speaker 1: the air, Taiwan announcing that China had their biggest military

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Speaker 1: exercise going on in decades right off their and that

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Speaker 1: you know, an exercise can turn into an invasion in

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Speaker 1: a moment, And who's going to be in charge of

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Speaker 1: making decisions on that if we have to decide where

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Speaker 4: Jake Sullivan's half drunk, Anthony Blinkn's on a beach in Hawaii.

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Speaker 2: Probably they're they're like, wait what they did? What?

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Speaker 2: What have Trump deal with it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just gonna say, is the scale had

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Speaker 1: No, No, some of the continuing efforts to make a

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Speaker 2: Among other things, we'll get to this hour. I hope

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Speaker 5: One of the guys you work with says he, I

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Speaker 1: Al Sharpton's one of the worst human beings on earth,

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Speaker 1: standing up for the victim. Victim finger quotes of Daniel Penny, stay.

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Speaker 6: He was just threatening to kill people. Who's threatening to

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Speaker 1: does everybody deserve that provided by the taxpayer? Everyone some

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Speaker 1: place to live, something to eat, and healthcare. Okay, Reveren

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Speaker 1: now Sharpton. Yesterday, Jordan, I didn't know you. I know

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Speaker 1: your aunt, and I've talked to your daddy, and one

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Speaker 1: thing I promise is in your name, we're going to

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Speaker 1: change how they deal with homelessness, and your name, we're

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Speaker 1: going to change how they deal with the mentally ill

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Speaker 1: and now and then that started a movement toward raising

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Speaker 1: money for all kinds of different things, scholarships, a statue,

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Speaker 1: a new rehab facility, a new homeless center.

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Speaker 2: All of that will raise.

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Speaker 1: Lots of money and nothing will be accomplished. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not just being cynical here. I know because I've seen

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Speaker 1: this happened before. You can easily get in an afternoon

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Speaker 1: one hundred grand to show up to put up a statue.

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Speaker 1: Somebody puts up a fifteen thousand dollars statue, and eighty

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars just disappears someplace. Same thing with the scholarship,

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Speaker 1: same thing with a bunch of other stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Well, and there's no question that we need to do

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Speaker 4: a better job of dealing with the mentally ill. But

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Speaker 4: you know, this is a classic example of the something

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Speaker 4: needs to happen. This is something, so therefore, this needs

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Speaker 4: to happen. So now to bring me your solutions, let's.

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Speaker 2: Talk about them.

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Speaker 1: And again I'm trying to make this realize, this is recognized,

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Speaker 1: this is a complex issue. What do you do with

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Speaker 1: mentally ill people?

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Speaker 2: What do you do with drug addicts? Well, let's go

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Speaker 2: through mister Neely's life.

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Speaker 1: Mister Neely racked up more than three dozen arrests in

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Speaker 1: his life before he was choked to death. Many were

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Speaker 1: of the sort that people living on the street, often

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Speaker 1: a crew while homeless, like turnstile jumping or trespassing, but

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Speaker 1: at least four were on charges of punching people.

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Speaker 2: Two of them in the subway system. We'll get to

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Speaker 2: that later.

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Speaker 1: Outreach workers noted that mister Neely heavily used K two,

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Speaker 1: the powerful, unpredictable synthetic marijuana, which, by the way, when

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Speaker 1: you're on it will make you do horrible things, but

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Speaker 1: will ruin your brain.

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Speaker 2: And there ain't no fixing that. And what do we

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Speaker 2: do with those people? Back to that, We'll get to

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Speaker 2: that again later.

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Speaker 1: In June of twenty nineteen, an outreach worker noticed that

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Speaker 1: mister Neely had lost considerable weight and was sleeping Upright

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Speaker 1: around that time, he was reported to have banged on

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Speaker 1: a booth agent's door and threatened a killer, according to

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Speaker 1: the worker's notes.

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Speaker 2: Then he was gone.

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Speaker 1: At some point, mister Neely became a client of an

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Speaker 1: intensive mobile treatment team, one of the squads of mental

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Speaker 1: health clinicians who minister to people in the streets and shelters.

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Speaker 2: I have a relative who actually does that kind of work.

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Speaker 1: In March of twenty twenty, the team had mister Neely

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Speaker 1: taken to Bellevue Hospital where he was kept for a week.

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Speaker 1: According to Homeless Outreach records, it was not clear what

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Speaker 1: contact of the team had with him after that. This

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Speaker 1: gets to Joe's point that he did get that care

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Speaker 1: that the ACLU and COLU was claiming he deserved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, he deserved it, and he got it.

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Speaker 1: In November, at twenty twenty one, mister Neeley's aggression scene

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Speaker 1: to peak when he punched a sixty seven year old

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Speaker 1: woman in the street on the Lower East Side. The

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Speaker 1: police said the woman suffered several facial injuries, including a

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Speaker 1: broken nose. According to court documents, obviously it's just luck

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Speaker 1: that she didn't die. He was charged with assault and,

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Speaker 1: awaiting the resolution of his case, spent fifteen months in jail,

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Speaker 1: the police said, though his family said the stint was shorter.

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Speaker 1: He pleaded guilty on February ninth of this year in

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Speaker 1: a carefully planned strategy between the city and his lawyers

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Speaker 1: to allow him to get treatment and stay out of prison.

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Speaker 2: Treatment for your drug addiction.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what the goal is today? The judge

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Speaker 4: said yes. Mister Neely replied, what is a goal?

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Speaker 1: To make it physically and mentally to the program he

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Speaker 1: was to go from court to live at a treatment

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Speaker 1: facility in the Bronx and stay cleaned for fifteen months.

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Speaker 1: In return, his felony conviction would be reduced. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that that's what we need to do as a society,

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Speaker 1: but anyway, he promised to take his medication into avoid drugs,

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Speaker 1: and not to leave the facility without permission. This is

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Speaker 1: a wonderful opportunity to turn things around, and we're glad

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Speaker 1: to give it to you, the prosecutor said, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Mister Neely replied. Thirteen days later, he abandoned

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Speaker 1: the facility. The judge issued a warrant for his arrest.

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Speaker 1: He goes on to do a variety of other minor things,

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Speaker 1: and Nan shows up on the subway screaming you only

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Speaker 1: he's going to kill people. If he doesn't get what

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Speaker 1: he wants, he gets in a joke hold and he's dead,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: So, to Elon Musk's point, the word homeless is a lie.

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Speaker 2: Most of the time.

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Speaker 1: It's a you got a drug addict here, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: whose brain doesn't work because of their drug use.

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Speaker 2: Are we going to address this or not?

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Speaker 1: What would it take to get the country the States

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Speaker 1: of the cities to talk about it like it what

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Speaker 1: it really is.

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Speaker 4: A educating mister and missus resident of whatever state you

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Speaker 4: want to talk about so they understand this. But I

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Speaker 4: think the way you cut through the misinformation about this

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Speaker 4: is to take the profit out of it. There are

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Speaker 4: billions and billions of dollars being given. People always talk

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Speaker 4: about it being spent, which is true, but it's being

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Speaker 4: spent on something and someone.

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Speaker 2: Is getting it.

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Speaker 4: The people who are getting billions of dollars to deal

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Speaker 4: with the quote unquote homeless problem don't want to give

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Speaker 4: that up, and they are frequently the cronies are the powerful.

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Speaker 4: You combine those people with the well meaning but soft

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Speaker 4: headed that have caused so many problems in our society,

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Speaker 4: and you just you've got to take the profit out

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Speaker 4: of it, I know, because then you got to deal

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Speaker 4: with the reality.

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Speaker 1: Well, the reality is tough, because even if we are

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Speaker 1: going to today as a country decide okay, no more

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Speaker 1: calling it homeless. Let's call it a drug addiction problem.

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Speaker 1: Now what, I don't know the answer, And I think

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Speaker 1: I know more than the average person knows about addiction

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Speaker 1: and rehabs and all that sort of stuff, and they

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Speaker 1: don't work very often in the best of cases.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as a lover of liberty, I have had my

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Speaker 4: mind changed on this topic in a significant way.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to hear that. I assume you're implying after this.

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Speaker 4: After this, Yeah, as I reach awkwardly for my hey

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals, who won on

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Speaker 4: Monday night, whilst his home was being broken into and

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Speaker 4: his girlfriend or whoever was living there had to call

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Speaker 4: the police.

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Speaker 1: If you'd have had this simply safe, active guard outdoor protection,

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Speaker 1: they would have seen this happening before the people got in,

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Speaker 1: and it would have been a much better situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: NFL teams, get this for all your stars. Simply safe

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Speaker 4: home security with the active guard outdoor protection.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. The agents see the evil doer in real time.

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Speaker 4: They can talk to them, set off your spotlights, call

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Speaker 4: the cops before the break in, and listen to this.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy.

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Speaker 4: They are no long term contracts, there's no cancelation fee,

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Speaker 4: and it's around a buck a day for all this protection.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can set up yourself. I did.

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Speaker 1: I set it up on my host then old house,

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Speaker 1: then I moved to a new, bigger, house ordered some

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Speaker 1: more sensors and cameras.

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Speaker 2: And stuff like that. Easy to do. Set it up.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to set it up yourself. They got

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Speaker 2: people that will help you.

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Speaker 4: Just go to a simply safe dot com slash armstrong

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Speaker 4: fifty percent off any new system with select professional monitoring

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Speaker 4: plan simplysafe dot com slash armstrong.

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Speaker 2: There's no safe like simply safe before you get to

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Speaker 2: your solution. I think this is true.

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Speaker 1: Al Sharpton is a charlatan. He absolutely knows I get

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Speaker 1: people worked up. They donate money to various things. I

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Speaker 1: end up on the board or something, get a check,

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Speaker 1: or get to fly around and stay at a hotel

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Speaker 1: and eat meals whatever.

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Speaker 2: He's a charlatan.

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Speaker 1: But I think, like the ACLU version in New York whatever,

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Speaker 1: I think they actually believe that we're it's a homeless problem,

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Speaker 1: and we're not doing enough to help homeless drug addicts.

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Speaker 1: I think how they ignore the fact the guy was

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Speaker 1: in how many different facilities and offered how many Why

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Speaker 1: would society say that if you go to this rehab

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Speaker 1: for a month, will forget the that you almost killed

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Speaker 1: an old woman.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure society should say that to start with,

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Speaker 4: but it doesn't work anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he got food and housing and services over

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Speaker 2: and over again. So what was I gonna say?

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Speaker 4: Oh, Al Sharpton's precisely what he's always been. He's a

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Speaker 4: race hustler and a scammer and a black man.

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Speaker 1: And Morning Joe has him on almost every single morning

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Speaker 1: and takes him completely seriously on MSNBC.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's what I wanted to point out the ACLU

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Speaker 4: people that they're hardcore Marxists. And I used to be

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Speaker 4: a quote unquote card carrying member of the ACLU because

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Speaker 4: I'm a First Amendment freak.

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Speaker 2: But that was back in the day.

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Speaker 4: But like the Southern Poverty Law Center and the NAACP,

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Speaker 4: they've turned into hard left, neo Marxist organizations. They've evolved.

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Speaker 4: It's a different beast than it used to be. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: as a oh my gosh, look at the time, as.

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Speaker 1: A lover of literature, we should we come back in

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Speaker 1: the low time for this. We got and a half

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Speaker 1: two hours and fifteen more minutes. We should not rush

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Speaker 1: through these things. These are important details.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I hate to rush rush our way through

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Speaker 4: important stuff that's nuanced.

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Speaker 1: And I'll give us a short version of why I

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Speaker 1: get so worked up about this topic because of what

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Speaker 1: the police said to me when I was in this situation.

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Speaker 2: Oh makes me so freaking angry. Got all that on

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Speaker 2: the way. So thank god Daniel Penny was acquitted.

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Speaker 1: It still may be damaging to society and know that

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Speaker 1: you could even be arrested and have to go through that.

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Speaker 1: When I was standing between a crazed, violent drug addict

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Speaker 1: street person who was screaming at my small children, who

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Speaker 1: at the time were five and seven, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: effing rape them. I'm going to effing murder them. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to kill them, I'm going to bury them. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna blah blah blah screaming at me, screaming at them,

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Speaker 1: and I'm standing between him and there, and he's like

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Speaker 1: two feet from me. In retrospect, I think I probably

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Speaker 1: should have put my hands on the guy. Luckily it

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Speaker 1: turned out the way he did. But it's just his macurial,

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Speaker 1: drug crazed mind. When after what seemed like an hour

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Speaker 1: of this it might have been three minutes, some guys

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Speaker 1: started walking across the parking lot and he realized there's

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Speaker 1: not only one dude here, but about to be two dudes.

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Speaker 1: He started to walk away. Then he said after I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna kill you. He reached in his jacket. I thought, grap,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna die. He's got a gun, and then he

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Speaker 1: walked off. Turned out he didn't have a gun. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if somebody screaming I'm gonna effing kill your

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Speaker 1: kids I suppose.

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Speaker 2: You can put your hands on them at that point,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Not in the town I live, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. But anyway, I called the police.

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Speaker 1: The first thing the cops say to me when I

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Speaker 1: describe what's happening and everything like that was and I said,

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Speaker 1: I got to deal with this. You know, my kids

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Speaker 1: are crying, And he said the real problem is that

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Speaker 1: we don't have facilities for these people to be in.

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Speaker 2: First thing that freaking cops said to me.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Now I complained about that on the.

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Speaker 1: Air the next day, and I think that's the react

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Speaker 1: why I got the reaction I did out of the

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Speaker 1: prosecutor and the police department. I think I got special

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Speaker 1: treatment from being a media guy who embarrassed them on

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Speaker 1: the air, or that I wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Have gotten that a repeatedly violent drug addict. The real

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Speaker 4: tragedy is that he can't get help. The first thing

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Speaker 4: the guy said to me, How offensive is that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And so does that your actual belief about the world.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: People are completely delusional about reality. They cannot accept reality.

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Speaker 4: I've said this many times. The real divide in American

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Speaker 4: politics is those people who are adults who understand reality

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Speaker 4: and understand sometimes you have to do stuff that's sad

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Speaker 4: or makes your heart hurt and you'd rather not, but

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Speaker 4: you have to as a society.

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Speaker 2: Some people can can deal with that and some people cannot.

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Speaker 4: And they are generally progressives who are wantonly cruel when

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Speaker 4: they need to be, which is a bit of a paradox.

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Speaker 4: But what I was about to say about the drug

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Speaker 4: thing is, and you know, as a small libertarian, I

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Speaker 4: always want to opt to the side of more liberty.

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Speaker 4: But there are absolute perfect parallels between like some way

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Speaker 4: out there libertarians who believe we ought to have open borders,

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Speaker 4: free flow of labor. But they always say that they're

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Speaker 4: there are little meetings where you know, they concoct their

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Speaker 4: ridiculous plans, but we need to completely eliminate the welfare state.

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Speaker 4: And you've come and you work, and if you don't work,

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Speaker 4: you don't get anything, and then it will work. Well,

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Speaker 4: that's utterly, completely, laughably unrealistic. There is no way you

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Speaker 4: are going to get the people in the government of

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Speaker 4: the United States to completely dismantle the welfare state.

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Speaker 2: Stop it.

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Speaker 4: You might as well talk about pigs flying information like

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Speaker 4: the Blue Angels. So with the drug thing, and it's

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Speaker 4: been interesting to watch it play out, particularly in Oregon,

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Speaker 4: where they decriminalized possession use of hard drugs and ask

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Speaker 4: the people of Oregon how that went.

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Speaker 2: It's been a miserable, miserable failure.

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Speaker 4: And they rescinded that law and are now back to,

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Speaker 4: at least to some extent, cracking down on possession and use.

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Speaker 4: I was swayed at one time in my life by

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Speaker 4: the great libertarians setting saying rather that drugs will ruin

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Speaker 4: your life. Therefore, if we catch you with drugs, we're

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Speaker 4: going to ruin your life. And I thought that was

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Speaker 4: very clever, and it is actually, But here's the problem,

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Speaker 4: and it's there's a parallel with the immigration thing in

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Speaker 4: that if you say to me in society, yes, you

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Speaker 4: can use and possess hard drugs if you like, but

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Speaker 4: if you violate any of the rules and laws of manner. God,

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Speaker 4: you are going to suffer the full consequences of it.

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Speaker 4: We're not gonna let you say, but I was on drugs.

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Speaker 4: If you ruin your mind, you're not allowed to say,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm crazy. No, you have made the decision

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Speaker 4: to use hard drugs. That road led very quickly and

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Speaker 4: directly towards the horrendous thing you did. You will feel

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Speaker 4: the full weight of the law.

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Speaker 1: As opposed to this guy that got choked to death

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Speaker 1: by Daniel Penny, who had punched an old woman in

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Speaker 1: the face, could have killed her, and they were gonna

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Speaker 1: let that slide. If he did the drug treatment treatment

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Speaker 1: thing over.

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Speaker 4: And over again. Yeah, yeah, And it's well meaning, that

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Speaker 4: sort of program. And if you want to have a

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Speaker 4: one strike you're out system, I'm willing to consider that.

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Speaker 4: But the problem is, like the immigration thing, there is

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Speaker 4: no urge, there's no will that I've observed to.

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Speaker 2: Do the second half of the equation.

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Speaker 4: We're going to legalize hard drugs, decriminalize them, but if

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Speaker 4: you across the line, you're going to feel the full

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Speaker 4: weight of the law. Americans don't seem at least a

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Speaker 4: large percentage electorate doesn't seem willing to do that. It

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Speaker 4: strikes them as too mean or too cruel, and so

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Speaker 4: you get the worst of both ends. You have all

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Speaker 4: these people destroying their lives with addiction and screwing up

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Speaker 4: cities and towns and hurting people and claiming more victims.

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Speaker 2: Oh and then the other end of this.

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Speaker 4: Is that I think we do people a real favor

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Speaker 4: by making it as difficult and miserable as possible to

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Speaker 4: be a drug addict. Otherwise, society becomes the enabler. Society

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Speaker 4: becomes the boyfriend their girlfriend that keeps giving the money

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Speaker 4: and covering up for their crime and the rest of you.

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Speaker 1: No, we're the parents that let your drug addicted kid

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Speaker 1: live in the basement and let them have a car

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Speaker 1: and a phone.

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Speaker 4: And bail them out time and time again. It's just

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Speaker 4: a simple reality. It's it's unfortunate and it feels mean,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, it's it's inescapably true. You've got to make

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Speaker 4: it miserable for people to become drug addicts. You know what,

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Speaker 4: you get fewer drug addicts.

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Speaker 1: Well, one thing is certain, what we're doing currently is

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Speaker 1: not working. Miserable failure. If you mentioned hour or the show,

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Speaker 1: get the podcast, Armstrong and Getty on demand, Armstrong and

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