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Speaker 1: Welcome to this league uncut in the world.

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Speaker 2: Of twenty four hour NBA news. This's you, Lou.

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Speaker 1: Chris Haynes. It's so time, Park's time. It's so time.

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Speaker 1: This League uncut is underway and on fire. This should

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Speaker 1: be a good one.

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Speaker 3: Friends, Welcome in hearty greetings from this league uncut. Half

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Speaker 3: of the squad is in Vegas already. Chris Haynes made

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Speaker 3: it there today. I will be arriving in a couple

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Speaker 3: of days. I have to I got some Saturday radio

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Speaker 3: obligations in Dallas first before I make my way to

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Speaker 3: the desert. But look, the Summer League action already underway

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Speaker 3: this week with a slew of games in Sacramento.

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Speaker 2: And also Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 3: That was just the appetizer, all thirty teams in Vegas

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Speaker 3: for the annual Summer League extravaganza that just gets larger

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Speaker 3: and larger and larger every year. Most of free agency

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Speaker 3: is done at this point. Yes, there are a few

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Speaker 3: stray names out there still. On the unrestricted side, You've

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Speaker 3: got a Kelly Ubray, a Christian Wood. On the restricted

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Speaker 3: free agent side, we still have PJ. Washington situation to

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Speaker 3: figure out, So there are still some names on the board,

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Speaker 3: and that's certainly not a comprehensive list. I'm sure we

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Speaker 3: could talk more about that if we wanted to go

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Speaker 3: in that direction. But let's face it, the whole league

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Speaker 3: right now, the focus even beyond James Harden's future in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 3: it's all about Damian Lillard and what the Trailblazers are.

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Speaker 2: Going to do. This thing is moving slower.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure then Damian Lillard would like it too, But

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Speaker 3: you know, this is a complex trade that's probably not

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Speaker 3: gonna happen in an instant. I think everybody knows at

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Speaker 3: this point that Miami is where game wants to end up.

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Speaker 3: The Blazers are naturally dropping hints and whispers that know

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Speaker 3: they're gonna look around and do what's best for the

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Speaker 3: franchise and not just gift wrap him to Miami. You know,

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Speaker 3: my instinct just is a long time watcher of these things.

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Speaker 3: It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where a

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Speaker 3: game doesn't end up with what he wants in the end.

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Speaker 3: But let's see lots of twists and turns. Chris and

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Speaker 3: I recording this on Thursday night, and just within the

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Speaker 3: last half hour before we finally connected to do this.

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Speaker 3: Damian Lillard tweeted, I'm amazed, which I think I can

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Speaker 3: assume that's his reaction to all the chatter today, all

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Speaker 3: the back and forth, a lot of there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of angst everywhere, honestly, all over the league. Not surprising.

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Speaker 3: But I turn it now to Chris Haynes again. Fresh

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Speaker 3: on the ground in Vegas are resident Damologists, the world's

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Speaker 3: leading Dameologists.

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Speaker 2: Where where are we?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Where are we?

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Speaker 3: With Dame and his desire to be sent to Miami

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Speaker 3: and the Blazers desire to drag this thing out and

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Speaker 3: try to broaden the field of trade options, what do

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Speaker 3: you see?

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Speaker 4: Well, to answer you a question about where are we,

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Speaker 4: We're nowhere. That's just where. That's what That's where it

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Speaker 4: is right now. We're nowhere. And honestly, this is what

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Speaker 4: I really expected to happen. I know, I know Dame

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Speaker 4: extended period. The Miami heat right now, you know there

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Speaker 4: they want to get to the table with the Blazers asap.

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Speaker 4: I know, the Miami Heat and the Blazers have had discussions,

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Speaker 4: Damian Lillard, his agent Aaron good good When, I know

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Speaker 4: with Aaron good When today and you know he's hopeful

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Speaker 4: he's hopeful that the Blazers in the Miami in the

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Speaker 4: And you know, it was apparent even from day one

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Speaker 4: equal value in return. So that's the way things are

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Speaker 4: right now. You talk about Dame and that tweet, Mark Stein,

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Speaker 4: I haven't spoken to Dame today. I can say that

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Speaker 4: And then somebody asked him why. I think his response was,

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Speaker 2: I have it right here.

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Speaker 3: I'm amazed was the first tweet, and then he got

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Speaker 3: a question from Twitter from seven to fifty the game,

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Speaker 3: which I believe is is that a Portland radio.

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Speaker 5: Station or is that that's that's Portland? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 3: And Dame's answer was his quote tweet was at how

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Speaker 3: there today, and you know people are naturally Aaron Goodwin,

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Speaker 3: his agent, is doing exactly what any agent would do.

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Speaker 3: This is I mean, this is it's he's not doing anything.

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Speaker 2: He wouldn't he.

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Speaker 4: Would stein he wouldn't be doing his job if he

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Speaker 3: And also I think teams know, you know, Dame is

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Speaker 3: But still that doesn't I think I think the majority

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Speaker 3: a holdout or something. But that doesn't mean that teams

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Speaker 3: I put nothing past Danny Ainge. Would Danny Ainge do it? No?

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Speaker 3: think the Jazz have to say to themselves it's not

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Speaker 3: a matter of Danny Ainge or Jazz management being afraid

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Speaker 3: of trading for Dame. The real question is does Damian

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Speaker 3: like I said, I, you know, I am not reporting

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Speaker 3: is just hard for me to believe. I just think Dame,

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Speaker 3: his stature in Portland, what he's delivered to the Blazers.

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Speaker 3: I just kind of feel like the Lillard Goodwin combination

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Speaker 4: And again, I think we talked about this in our

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Speaker 4: last episode, Steyn about somebody like Danny Ings taking that

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Speaker 4: Aing's for doing that. Nobody would knock Massi. You Massi

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Speaker 4: Dame situation, it's a little bit different. He's played eleven

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Speaker 4: years there, He's represented that town, that city, that organization

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Speaker 5: Can't even compare. And he's given.

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Speaker 4: Them every opportunity to try to build the Toddle he

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Speaker 4: little bit it's a little bit different of a scenario

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Speaker 4: people would look at the Blazers for actually trading him

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Speaker 4: to a place that he didn't want to go. Nobody

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Speaker 4: would not the other team you have to look about, like,

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Speaker 4: how are they treating their star player, their franchise player

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Speaker 4: ar could be the greatest player in franchise history. After

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Speaker 4: and he wants to go to Miami, And how would

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Speaker 4: it look for the like teams, players, excuse me, players

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Speaker 4: are watching to see how this goes down, to see

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Speaker 4: if this is how you're gonna treat a star player.

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Speaker 4: You trade them to a team that he doesn't want

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Speaker 4: to go to. And look, I see, I see Blazer

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Speaker 4: I said, I don't want to assume what Dame is

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Speaker 4: talking about. But you know, I've seen Blazer fans say, hey,

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Speaker 4: we got to trade him to wherever he wants to

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Speaker 4: go because Dame signed an extension. Dame signed a contract.

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Speaker 4: You know, you see national reporters talking about how he

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Speaker 4: signed an extension and and that's that's on him. He

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Speaker 4: shouldn't request the trade, but look at it. Check this out.

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Speaker 5: Starn I recall other players signing long term extensions requesting

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Speaker 5: the trade the very following summer. I don't even have

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Speaker 5: to name names. You can look it up. And nobody

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Speaker 5: trade it.

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Speaker 4: A year before signing an extension, trade it the very

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Speaker 5: Period.

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Speaker 4: So why all of a sudden is this any different?

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Speaker 4: And a difference that I would say in this situation

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Speaker 4: sign an extension, say I want to be here five years.

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Speaker 4: He was told they're going to do everything they can

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Speaker 4: It didn't happen. It did not happen. So you know,

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Speaker 4: for those talking about, you know he signed extension, now

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Speaker 4: we can you know, we can trade them wherever he

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Speaker 5: He has no right he has. Come on, come on,

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Speaker 5: let's stop that. Let's stop that. The guy gaves a level.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess this is what you know. I

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Speaker 3: do differ with you on some of this. You know,

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Speaker 3: I do understand the criticism. You know, you mentioned it,

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Speaker 3: and it's been very loud. There there is that drum

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Speaker 3: don't do a long term extension. But I think the

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Speaker 3: into more what kind of conversations were had at the

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Speaker 3: then work to get you where you want to go

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Speaker 3: because of everything you've done for the franchise and the community,

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Speaker 3: and you know, there's no question I think I think

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Speaker 3: of a lot of elaboration. How popular he is. There

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Speaker 3: a an absolutely beloved player. But look that that conversation

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Speaker 3: There are going to be observers and fans who say

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Speaker 3: the Blazers should just do whatever the heck they want.

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Speaker 3: They gave him, they committed all this money, and they

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Speaker 2: But again, to me, this.

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Speaker 5: Stint and that is fine. That rhetoric.

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Speaker 4: That narrative is fine, but just note this is not

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Speaker 4: some scrub player. This is not an average player. This

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Speaker 4: is your franchise player, arguably the greatest player in French history,

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Speaker 5: we talked about this before. I've never I've never recalled

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Speaker 4: But I say all this to say one more point.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that wy help the trade situation.

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Speaker 3: is more just guestimations for me. I mean, we really

436
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: don't have any We don't have any timetable indications yet

437
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: on how long this is actually going to take. Let's

438
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: pivot from there to a couple other big news items

439
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 3: from this Thursday. A story you've been reporting on quite

440
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: a bit. The Blazers matisse Tible did sign a three year,

441
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: thirty three million dollar offer sheet with the Dallas Mavericks.

442
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: That the Blazers let it be known rather swiftly that

443
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: they were and huge disappointment for the fans where I

444
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 3: live here in Dallas. They came to terms on a

445
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 3: trade to acquire Grant Williams from Boston on Wednesday, sign

446
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 3: and trade, and they were just giddy frankly at the

447
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: prospect of adding both Grant Williams and Matisse Tibele to

448
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: the wing rotation, to guys who both know how to

449
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: defend an area that Dallas sorely needs to improve on.

450
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: But the Blazers again, just let it be known quickly

451
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 3: that they're matching on that offer. And you know what,

452
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 3: it's not a huge surprise there.

453
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: There was a fair bit.

454
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: Of noise in recent days in advance of the Mavericks

455
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 3: trying to make these moves. The noise was, you know,

456
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: Boston was trying to send signals that we'll match on

457
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: Grant Williams even though the tax bill would have been

458
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 3: close to forty million. So I don't know that anybody

459
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: in MAVs land was really buying that. But Matisse tible

460
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 3: that's such a tradeable contract at that number, and it's

461
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: just too matchable. I mean, they're restricted free agent game.

462
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 3: To really win, you typically have to overpay, and the

463
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: MAVs only had the mid Level exception available, which only

464
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: goes up to twelve point four million even if you

465
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 3: have the full mL, and the MAVs didn't quite have

466
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: access to the full mL because the sign and trade

467
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 3: for Grant Williams hardcap them.

468
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: So, I mean, even though they.

469
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: Made the strongest possible offer, but not nearly strong enough

470
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: to dissuade Portland for matching, the Blazers just simply did

471
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: not you know, I don't know, I don't know how

472
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 3: much Tible is really in their future plans, but they

473
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: clearly just didn't want to let an asset go for nothing.

474
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 4: Matise is one of the best peruna defenders in the league.

475
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: And at that number, eleven million a year, that number,

476
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 4: that's that's a solid number for a guy like that.

477
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 4: It's a three year deal, player option after year or two.

478
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 4: But you know, that's to your to your point, that's

479
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: all Dallas could offer. That was the max they could

480
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: offer Matise, and so the money wasn't really that big,

481
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 4: that significant to where it caused Portland to pause. But

482
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: what I will say is that Dallas Mavericks, and I

483
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 4: reported this, the Dallas Mavericks, you know, implement a poison

484
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: peel and they were hoping that would you know, kind

485
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 4: of prevent the Blazers from from matching, and so some

486
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: of the things that were in the contract, obviously the

487
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: player option. Then I was told also in the contract

488
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: was a fifteen trade kicker. Lastly, each year of the

489
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: tenure of the deal, each year the Blazers have to

490
00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: pay Matise fifty of his annual salary by Alltober first,

491
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 4: So you're talking about half of eleven million dollars by

492
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 4: October first. So they did what they could to try

493
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: to put some things into the contract that would get

494
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: the Blazers off of them. But at the end of

495
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: the day, the Blazers felt like this was still something

496
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: they need to do for asset. Maybe maybe they've seen

497
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: them in this future. I don't see them in the future.

498
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, but what I can say what it.

499
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: May it looked, maybe and maybe and maybe I'm maybe I'm.

500
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: Glossing over the tradeability of it, because look, it should be.

501
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: We have to remind you in year one, uh, you know,

502
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: Tible will have veto power over any trade in the

503
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: first season and can't be traded to Dallas at all

504
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: in that first season. So when you're a restricted free agent,

505
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: you do at least come away with that. January fifteenth

506
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: would be the soonest that he could be traded anywhere,

507
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: and again the Blazers would have to get his consent

508
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: and so these little wrinkles do make him slightly tougher

509
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: to trade. But again, the salary number eleven mil, that

510
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: is very tradable. And you know, the interesting thing here is,

511
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: from everything I've heard, and you probably know better, you're

512
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: closer to this than me, the vibe I've gotten is

513
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: that Tyble really did want to end up with Dallas.

514
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: This is something Tible's been wanting even before this summer.

515
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: Dallas has been talked about as a potential destination. The

516
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: Mavericks have explored in the past pathways to try to

517
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: trade for Tible when he was still in Philly. In fact,

518
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: I remember whispers about that because you know, the MAVs

519
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: sorely need a top flight wing defender, and you know

520
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: they had confidence in Dallas that had they been able

521
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: to get Tible. Yes he has offensive shortcomings. Yes there

522
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: are questions about his shooting ability, but when you've got

523
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving at the core of your offense,

524
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: you know you can.

525
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: Live with that.

526
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: They need top flight defenders, and I think had this

527
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: gone through, both Tibo and Grant Williams would have been

528
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: starters for the Mavericks. But it was not to be.

529
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: The Blazers have kept him and will We'll now see

530
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: where it goes from here.

531
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Speaker 4: Stile, let me add this to your point. Yes, Matisse

532
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: desperately wanted to be a member of the Dallas Mavericks,

533
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: and Stein I anticipated this situation getting ugly. I anticipated

534
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 4: getting getting ugly. I thought there might be they might

535
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: try to get some type of signing trade going because

536
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 4: he did really want to be a member of the

537
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: Dallas Mavericks. And another thing that people don't know about,

538
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: the Blazers gave Matisse an initial offer that was well

539
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: below what Dallas gave him in the offer sheet. That

540
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 4: prompted them to go to Dallas and to get that

541
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 4: offer sheet. So at the end of the day, it

542
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: was sort of a win. I guess I wouldn't on

543
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: off it's a win win. But Matisse got paid. He

544
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: got paid more than what Portland was going to initially offer,

545
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: and so it worked out in that regard. But he

546
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 4: definitely wanted to be a member of the Mavericks.

547
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: I guess another way you could look at this is

548
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: that this is an example of the Blazers showing us

549
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: that they're gonna do what they think is best. If

550
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: you want to extrapolate that far. Obviously they knew that

551
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: Tible would have preferred to go to Dallas. And there

552
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: is a question of if Portland is about to enter

553
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: a rebuild, what need do they really have for Tible?

554
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: But you know they matched it. We don't know the

555
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: full plan they have for him, or how how much

556
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: a part of their future he really is. But the Blazers,

557
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: the Blazers did not blink. This was a pretty quick

558
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: matching effort.

559
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: Also, Stein, I think we have to point out, for

560
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: those who don't know, Matisa's agent is also Aaron Goodwin.

561
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 5: Damiel Lili is a so uh.

562
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if what they did with Matisse is

563
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: an indicator of what they would do in Dame situation.

564
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 4: But hey, people may look at that and say, okay,

565
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: Blazer's will not be they will not be they will

566
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 4: not be challenged. I should say, you know they're gonna

567
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: do what they feel is best for them in the organization.

568
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: So interesting to see how this thing is going to

569
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 4: all play out as it pertains the Dame.

570
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: And let's wrap this one up with because I don't

571
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: think I know you are in Vegas, but am I

572
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: correct to say that you haven't yet tracked down Wemby

573
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 3: or Britney Spears for their latest Well, Wemby did address

574
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: this with the media today, so Wemby's already he's already

575
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: talked about it.

576
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 4: So you're saying I should try to track down Brittany

577
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: and get her side of the story.

578
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: Well, she's talked a lot too, so I guess we

579
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: got their sides. I'm just trying to have some fun

580
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: with you and just giving you a hard time that

581
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: maybe you should have just landed, blown this pod off

582
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: and just gotten right onto the Webbyama Spears beat and

583
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: I don't mean Mark Spears.

584
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you this, I did think about

585
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: once I landed and blowing this pod off. I did

586
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: think about that, but it wasn't to go check out

587
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 4: Britney Spears and went beyond. It was gonna be some

588
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 4: other things. I am in Vegas, after all. You know,

589
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: there's a lot of nice attractions out here. I would

590
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 4: say Vegas is probably top seven eight cities I like

591
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 4: to visit just for a few days. You get really

592
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 4: real bored and tired after two or three days.

593
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's not that I shouldn't it be higher

594
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: than that.

595
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's not Miami.

596
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 5: But no, I just get real.

597
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: Like Miami, I can stay in Miami for a week,

598
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 4: I can't stay in Vegas for a week.

599
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 5: I can only do two, two days, two three days.

600
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 5: I still I'd get a little.

601
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 2: Vegas in July.

602
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: I don't know that I love I don't know, like

603
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: I said, yeah July, I'm not loving it. But look,

604
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: it's so bad in Dallas weatherwise that actually going to

605
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: Vegas is easier because even though the tempts are higher,

606
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: the humidity is so much lower. I think that there

607
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: was a story recently, like a week or so ago,

608
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: that Dallas weather at this point was like hotter than

609
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of the rest of the world. So

610
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 3: it's actually gonna get easier for me when I relocate

611
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: to the desert. But no, I mean, I am you know.

612
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: When I was in college, Vegas was in our conference.

613
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: So going to Vegas has had a mystical appeal for me.

614
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: Seeing games at the Thomas and Mac. I mean, this

615
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: goes back to the eighties for me, and in the

616
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: early nineties, Man Vegas their team was like like a

617
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 3: pro team.

618
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: I mean when they had when they.

619
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: Had Greg Anthony Stacy Augman, Anderson Hunt, Larry Johnson, George Jackals.

620
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: I mean that team coming to Titan Jim was like

621
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: an NBA team coming to Titan Jim. So Vegas has

622
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: always been a huge part of my basketball life, and

623
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: as hot as it is in July, I could do

624
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: a week there easy restaurants alone.

625
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

626
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: Love. I don't know, there's just I love the place.

627
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 5: I'm ready, well her up and gets.

628
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: All right.

629
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm working on it. All right.

630
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: Let's let's close with your other big story today, de

631
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: Jontay Murray get a contract extension with Atlanta. There had

632
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: been a lot of curiosity about that. Would the Hawks

633
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: actually extend to Jontay Murray? Would they be able to

634
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: They obviously paid a pretty hefty trade price to get

635
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: him from San Antonio last summer, but that deal kind

636
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: of sneaked up on people tonight. There was some thought

637
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: that it maybe wouldn't happen this offseason. So break that

638
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: one down.

639
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: For us if you could.

640
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

641
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 4: So he an extension four years, one to twenty player

642
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: option on the final year last thirty million a year.

643
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 5: If my math is correct, and I didn't, I didn't.

644
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 5: I didn't know if this was going to happen. I

645
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 5: could I could not have.

646
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: I could not have thought this would be on my

647
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 4: radar if you would have asked me a few months ago.

648
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 4: The fit with him and Trey, they had some pretty

649
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: good success and then it struggled in some areas. And

650
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: you can definitely say it was an adapting type of

651
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: a season for the Dejohntay and Trey. Both of them

652
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Speaker 4: are used to having a ball in their hands, being

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Speaker 4: the primary ball handlers, and so they had to share

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Speaker 4: that responsibility and it worked to a certain point, but

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Speaker 4: you know there was some struggles in it. But thing

656
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: about the Johntay man, I remember, I would like to

657
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Speaker 4: say I discovered the John Say. I got to bring

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Speaker 4: the Johntay on this pod STN. The Johntay is awesome man.

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Speaker 4: He came up the pod I used to do back

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Speaker 4: in the day. Stein He's he's a really great He's

661
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: a really great kid man and I love his story.

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Speaker 4: But if de Johntay staying out, I think that's what

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Speaker 4: everybody wants to know. We've been hearing how the Atlanta

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Speaker 4: Hawks have been really trying to get in on the

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Speaker 4: Pascal Siakam sweepstakes, and we kind of touched on that

666
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Speaker 4: in previous pods before. Pascal would like to stay in Toronto.

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Speaker 4: I believe he has a one year left on his deal,

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Speaker 4: so that that's going into that that territory or the

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Speaker 4: similar situation of what Kawhi Leonard went through. So I

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Speaker 4: don't know what's going to happen. But the Jonte man,

671
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Speaker 4: that's a really good deal for him. I just don't

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Speaker 4: know if if his future is still there that is

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Speaker 4: then know, is there anything that you've hearsed thid about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, look, the first the first question was

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Speaker 3: could Dejonte get enough money in an extension that would

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Speaker 3: make him want to sign now, because there was a

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Speaker 3: school of thought that said, you know what, don't be

679
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Speaker 3: surprised if he opts to wait until unrestricted free agency

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Speaker 3: next summer when he can make more. But in this

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Speaker 3: new CBA, the extension rules were changed to try to

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Speaker 3: give incumbent teams more of a chance to retain their guys.

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Speaker 3: And look, we just we keep seeing this more and

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Speaker 3: more and more. I recently did a TV essay about

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Speaker 3: this for Bally Sports Southwest about how you know so,

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Speaker 3: and part of that essay was, We're seeing so many

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Speaker 3: more extensions. It's just extensions, extensions, extensions, So so the

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Speaker 3: number of top stars who make it to free agency anymore,

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Speaker 3: it just get that group seems to get smaller and small,

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Speaker 3: and that's why the trade market has kind of replaced,

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Speaker 3: or one of the main reasons why the trade market

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Speaker 3: has replaced free agency as the big you know, the

693
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Speaker 3: easiest way to really change your team and change it dramatically.

694
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Speaker 3: It's amazing when you you know, this summer in free agency,

695
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Speaker 3: the only current All Star. Hat tip to my good

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Speaker 3: friend Ben Goliver of the Washington Post. He's the one

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Speaker 3: who first came up with this stat and I have

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Speaker 3: gratefully borrowed it from him about seventeen times since. The

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Speaker 3: only All Star, the only current All Star on this

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Speaker 3: summer's free agent market was Kyrie Irving. It's the only one.

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Speaker 3: The only guy who played in the All Star Game

702
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Speaker 3: in Salt Lake City who was available in free agency.

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Speaker 3: Fred van Vliet was was an All Star last season,

704
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Speaker 3: but not this season. So it just again it just

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Speaker 3: shows you that just fewer and fewer and fewer of

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Speaker 3: the top guy are even making it to free agency

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Speaker 3: and Dejonte was one of those guys who I think

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Speaker 3: during the season, at various points the thought was that

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Speaker 3: he would make it to free agency. But with the

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Speaker 3: rules changing on extensions and the Hawks being able to

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Speaker 3: give him a larger raise than they could have under.

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Speaker 2: The previous system.

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Speaker 3: And I believe the cap experts out there will correct

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Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, but I believe they were also

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Speaker 3: able to give him an expert year in an extension

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Speaker 3: because of changes to the CBA, So that enabled Atlanta

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Speaker 3: to get this deal done. Now, as for Siakam, and

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you said it because I need to clarify this.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think you said it right. Pascal Siakam,

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Speaker 3: that's it's on his side. The resistance to a trade

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Speaker 3: to Atlanta has really been on his side, precisely where

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Speaker 3: the Raptors fall in terms of trading. Pascal Siakam has

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Speaker 3: been a lot harder to pinpoint, as it often is

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Speaker 3: with the Raptors. At the trade deadline, there was so

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Speaker 3: much curiosity, what would the Raptors do? Would Fred van

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Speaker 3: Vliet be made available for trade, would Siakam be would

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00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: Siakam be made available for trade? What about Ognnnobi? What

728
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: about Gary Trent Junior. There were trade discussions surrounding all

729
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Speaker 3: those guys, and in the end Toronto didn't trade any

730
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Speaker 3: of them. They ended up making a trade to bring

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Speaker 3: in Yaka pertl. Now fast forward a few months later,

732
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Speaker 3: Fred van Vliet opts to go to Houston and the

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Speaker 3: questions started new, what are the Raptors going to do?

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Speaker 3: Is Pascal Siakam actually being made available by the Toronto Raptors.

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Speaker 3: That's been harder to gauge. The most consistent rumbles there

736
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Speaker 3: have been that the Hawks had been very interested in

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Speaker 3: a trade for Siakam and that Siakam has been resistant

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Speaker 3: to it. The message has been sent whispered, maybe even

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Speaker 3: louder than whispered, that Siakam really wouldn't be interested in

740
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Speaker 3: a contract extension if the Hawks were to move him,

741
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Speaker 3: and you know, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Now, does you know what you know? We have to gauge.

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Speaker 3: We have to nail down what impact signing Murray has

744
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Speaker 3: on that pursuit from the Hawks on Siakam. Hopefully, with

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Speaker 3: Chris and I both in Vegas getting in front of people,

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Speaker 3: we will be able to get more answers to the

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Speaker 3: burning questions because there are still many of course, as

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Speaker 3: we said, it all starts with Damian Lillard, but we

749
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Speaker 3: also do have James Harden's future.

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Speaker 2: He's made it known in Philadelphia that he.

751
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: Would like to be moved. The Sixers, it appears, are

752
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: trying to slow play this much like they did when

753
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: Ben Simmons requested a trade. It looks like the Sixers

754
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 3: would love to take their.

755
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Speaker 2: Time and maybe even lobby Damian Lillard too.

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, just play out this last year and

757
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: then we'll.

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Speaker 2: See where it goes.

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Speaker 3: You can definitely it's not hard to picture Darryl Morey

760
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Speaker 3: taking that kind of stance. Lots of question about those Raptors.

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Speaker 3: Is Siakam available, will they look to make other trades

762
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: or are they going to try to stay competitive After

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Speaker 3: signing Dennis Shrewder on a two year deal to step

764
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Speaker 3: in to the Fred van Vliet void, what happens with

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Speaker 3: the Raptors? How much more action do we see from

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Speaker 3: the Hawks, who seem to be involved in a lot

767
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Speaker 3: of stuff. What teams out there will have the guts

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Speaker 3: to make a run at Dame not named Miami?

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Speaker 2: Does a Utah?

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Speaker 3: Does a New Orleans try to use their considerable trade

771
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Speaker 3: assets to get in the mix.

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Speaker 2: There so many many questions to pose.

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Speaker 3: Chris and I will be in search of the answers,

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Speaker 3: and again not trying to be cryptic, We're only not

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Speaker 3: saying too much because we don't want to jinx anything.

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Speaker 3: We are pursuing some really, really fun projects and get

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Speaker 3: togethers in Vegas, shall we say. We hope to have

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Speaker 3: those details nail down very very soon, and something tells

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Speaker 3: me that you will get at least one and possibly

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Speaker 3: more podcasts from the Haines Stein tag team that you

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Speaker 3: will find lively and enjoyable, emanating from the famed Vegas strip.

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Speaker 3: All right, that does it for this edition of This

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Speaker 3: if the proverbial chips fall our way, this could be

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Speaker 3: a pretty momentous week coming up in the history of

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Speaker 3: this fledged podcast as we near we're almost six months old.

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Speaker 3: As producer Ryan Music reminded me recently, we're nearing our

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Speaker 3: occasion with as much good stuff as we can. Another

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Speaker 3: good one in the books. Stay tuned for more.

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Speaker 2: From us very soon. That does it. We will be

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Speaker 2: back with you soon. Everybody be good and that'll do

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Speaker 2: it for us.

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Speaker 1: See you next time. This League on Cuttage and iHeartRadio

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