WEBVTT - Group Therapy Part 1 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:18.000 I am all in. Oh, I am all in with 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:22.560 Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast Oh everybody, Scott Patterson, 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.279 I am all in. Podcasts freshened from Toronto, Canada. Yeah wait, 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.040 how was that? Oh man? What a what a whirlwinds? 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.720 Were you doing a double job because you impressed for 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.160 the new show and you were doing sort of a con? 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.879 Did the comic co? Did the Toronto Comic Con with 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.800 fan Expo Canada, who are most excellent. By the way, 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.760 there Sean Gunn was there and the booth next to me. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:50.000 We crushed it and I crashed Shawn Guns panel and 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.319 it was hilarious. I wish the video were available. If 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.480 anybody has the video of me crashing Shawn Guns panel, 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.200 please bring it forward because it's it was. It was 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:00.960 a lot of fun. There was a ton of you. 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.760 He crashed your kiss. You should have crashed your panel. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.840 He crashed my one. He crashed your kiss. That's why 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.240 I did it. That was the whole point. Did you 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.400 run out like this? Well, I ran in as if 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:18.319 I was being chased by unknown assailants and I had 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.400 to get away from That's actually really good. Yeah, it's good. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.319 It's a good way to enter a room and when 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.440 they realized it was me, it was just a vroorious 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.560 joy and laughter. M oh but I played through the 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:35.000 whole scene and collapsed on stage and oh my god. Wait, 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.000 so did you do a panel too? I did a 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.520 panel on Friday afternoon. Yes, and what happened? Somebody asked, 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.560 is it like a moderator and they're mostly focused on 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.480 Gilmore girls? Yeah? Uh yeah, yeah, but a lot of 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.200 it could be it could be anything. It's a it's 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.920 a lot of stuff. Yeah. We talked Sullivan's Crossing too, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.960 which debuted Sundays Gonna. I was gonna say, they must 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.120 be so stoked that they get it and that you're 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:01.720 reunited with Chad, Michael Murray, Chad the the Chad Master, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.120 mister old Spice himself. Where's the turtle neck? Better than 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.840 anybody I've ever seen? I thought I could wear a 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:10.400 turtle there. Wait, so did you get to see the 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.760 episode of Soliving? I saw it Sunday night. I did 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:20.200 the con Friday, Saturday Sunday, went to the new hotel 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.920 Sunday afternoon, late afternoon, checked into the new you know 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.880 the one that the network put me up in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:29.720 because the con was no. They cut me off because 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.440 I could see I've seen um Canadian press popping up 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.400 with Oh yeah, that's what I did Monday. All day. 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.720 We did like thirteen hits. It was fun. Oh. Bell 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.440 Media has a PR team and a marketing team you 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.600 wouldn't believe, and they we just did hit after hit 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.560 after hit. Did some live shows, did the Maryland Dennis Show, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.680 did the did the Social I was it was like 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.359 their version of the view. Oh okay, I was a 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.520 guest host. I was the fifth chair for thirty minutes 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.760 and we just had a blast. So is it on 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.280 streaming in Canada or is it on like a network 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.919 where it's one, No, it's on it's on CTV. Is 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:07.280 that like NBC or something. Yeah. Yeah, that's the huge 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.760 So they get one episode a week like like a 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.920 regular like a TV show as opposed to everything. It 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.320 is broadcast television. But they can see it also on 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.840 CTV dot c A. They can get okay, CTV dot 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.160 app app. I don't know what the heck it is. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.000 So did you like it? What did you think of that? 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.240 Did I did you know? I was nervous because I'd 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:29.840 seen a rough cut and I was I was like, 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.000 you know, and then and then Roma, Roma Roth who 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.760 you know created the show UM from the book from 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.320 Robin Car The Great Car Um. You know, Roma created 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.840 UH from Robin car books. Virgin River the number one, right, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.720 the number one streaming show in the world. So I 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:50.520 guess you know what she's she knows what she's doing. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.360 But she you know, she edited a lot of it. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.000 She did the music, she did this, she did that, 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.120 she wrote. I mean, wearing so many hats. So I'm 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.480 getting room service. They're coming to turn down service at 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.320 seven o'clock. The things coming on. I'm sure. I'm trying 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.560 to know these people. I'm sush I'm saying, show's coming on. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:10.520 They're looking at me. Oh, I was up way past 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.440 my bedtime. I had to take a pillow, stay up, 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:17.120 thanks Amy. And then room service came in. I'm watching 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.720 the show. I'm eating my food. It's hooking me. Everything's 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.279 hooking me, and so good. I know. Fifteen twenty minutes in, 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.120 I started weeping. I still crying. It got me. Yeah, 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:31.240 it's it's it's really emotional. Very show. Is it funny 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:35.560 also or more drama. It's a romantic drama. The rom 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.640 drama they call it, but and no, it does have 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.440 elements of humor here and there, but it really is 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.679 you know, it's kind of this is USI oh woh, whoa. Yeah, 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.200 I had to stop watching this a is Us because 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.160 it was I had to kept taking advil. At the 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.120 end of the night, I was like, I can't can't 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.880 cry anymore crying. Yeah, that one just parenthood did that 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.000 to me. But I made it through. Although the finale 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.360 I was undone. But this is Us. It's just one day. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.640 I'll go back. But it was a lot. Oh gosh, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.280 it was so great. I was in you know, it 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.039 hooked me pretty quick and I just was going through 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.240 it and I knew the story so and it impacted 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.280 me in a pretty powerful way. But that and we 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.800 don't know when we're gonna get it. You're gonna you're 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:25.080 gonna get it, and you're gonna get it huge, and okay, 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.200 it's gonna be a good thing. It's gonna be a 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.960 good thing. I can't really say anything. I've been sworn 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:36.719 to secrecy, but I think you guys, he actually is 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.920 sworn to secrecy because sometimes there's secrets that we he 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:44.120 lets us know, but we actually do we have no idea. No, 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.200 I don't. I haven't told my wife. She's she's she's 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.320 ready to bring out the baseball back. I always wonder 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.520 if people on the mask singer tell they're like their 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.160 spouse or their partner or whatever. Sometimes I think they don't, right, No, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.640 it's if you weren't, if you were in the CIA, 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.320 would you tell your partner? You know what I mean, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:10.800 believe this? Guess what we're invading? We're invading PA. I've 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.760 always wondered if, like you're married to a CIA agent, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.240 do you know that and you have to do? What 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:21.760 have you watched Alias? No? Her boyfriend is literally killed 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.880 because she tells him that she's in the CIA. That's 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.640 a little confusing because she's in sort of like a 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.920 rogue CI. It's not the real CIA, So I don't 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.520 know if in the real CI. But like, no, you 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.040 can help when you're out, So you just lie to 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.679 your partner forever and say you work at a flower shop, 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:44.120 you know, like meet the fuckers, Like anybody anybody see that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.400 Like how he's like in some kind of central intelligence agency. 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:52.560 We're definitely going going on. But I just wonder nipples 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:58.520 Craig can you milk mea? But I mean, I mean 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.960 the con was was super great because there are a 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:07.200 ton of Gilmore fans in that Toronto area. I mean 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:11.240 it was just of lines, long lines and people being 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.160 just great and pleasant and we know you love it too. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:19.840 Oh God again Grandma's was a lot of hugs, a 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.880 lot of kisses, a lot of tears, a lot of 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.240 babies coming up. Is there a question? They mostly ask you, 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:31.240 like something that everybody asks you, M Yeah, is there gonna? 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:35.080 Are there going to be more episodes? They want to 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.280 know that, yeah, And I don't have an answer. I 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.560 would like to know that too. I don't have an answer. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.360 I've already written about I've already written ten new episodes 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.120 and it's all it's all about the wedding. I've submitted 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:53.760 them to the studio and I'm a waiting word, waiting 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.400 for eight years on the on the word. But should 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.240 we get to our therapy session? So we wanted to 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.800 like have one more episode where we break down like 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:08.720 all of season four, and then we'll launch season five. Yeah, 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.360 I know, I think that's cool. I'm ready because I 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.600 have my most important question. Yeah, and I'm I think 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.440 it's really a great idea because One eleven Productions and 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:25.800 iHeart Radio are involved in this with Amy Sugarman, Daniel Romo, 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.640 and I like, how you did that? Scott. It's like 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:35.000 we forgot to do that twelve minutes ago. Is this 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:40.439 a new break? We just started talking. I got to 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.880 get the production company pop in there, you know, I can't. Yeah, 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.440 and intros it's like, hopefully they've no by now, but 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.320 I'm ready because I would say my my first question 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.400 that I really want to ask the therapist is why 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.640 does she think Rory we talked about this a little bit, 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.080 who has always had it together right, has has for 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.679 the most part done the right thing, decided to go 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:12.920 so sideways? Yeah, that's my main question. And why did 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.800 she make the right call in saying no to jesss 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.600 or should she have done something different there? I think 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.720 she said that a good decision on her part. Yeah, 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:28.640 I don't think that's Yeah, I think that she should 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.600 have gone with Jess, not Dean. That's what I who 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.720 I want to dig into it is like what and 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.960 what's going on with Dean? Yeah? And what's in his brain? 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.760 But we've had her on before because we have to 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.720 get the fans engaged in that issue, because they're not 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.200 terribly engaged at all, are they? Thank you? Let's bring 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.680 her on. Yeah, she's great. She's a g fan, so 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.120 she knows everything. No one, no one really listened to 0:09:53.200 --> 0:10:01.079 last week. We've had we've had um, we've had her 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.280 on before, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh god, I'm oh 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:11.880 it's Kim's fantastic. Let's bring her in. Hello, Kim, welcome 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.679 to the show. Um. We had such a great time 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:17.320 with the last time. We wanted to have you back 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:21.280 on at this crucial juncture of our journey. Hey, you 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:27.319 wanted to be a bud Gaster. Here you are. Um. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.600 We have a bunch of questions that fans either mailed 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.400 in or phoned in and left on on my mailed 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:43.760 in the post a letter to Scott. Here's another one. 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:50.200 A couple were dropped off by a homing pigeon, so 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:54.240 they wanted one of the top questions. And there's you know, 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.559 we can only whittle it down to about ten h 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:58.880 and I don't even know if we're gonna get to 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.920 all of those. So Laura from San Antonio wanted to 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.000 know what was the appropriate way for Laura La to 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.679 react when learning Rory and Dean slept together at the 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:14.760 end of the season finale a season four. Who let's 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:22.400 start out that one good question. It's a great question. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.719 And you know, when you guys were talking about it 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.000 on the podcast on Monday, you hit you made a 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.040 lot of really good points with it. Um, And I'm 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.040 gonna I'm gonna venture on how she did react. I'll 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:37.960 say this first, how she did react. I thought she 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:42.679 reacted probably about his best as one could do. Even 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:47.520 the situation of walking in, um, walking into that scenario, 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.040 it would have been interesting too. And I'm just you know, 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.240 kind of looking at other options here. It would have 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.439 been interesting, like if it hadn't been Dean coming out, 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.880 what if it had been just coming out, would you know, 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.880 would her reaction be a little bit different? But if 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.720 you watch her in that scene, I love when you 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.360 guys talk about faith acting. When you watch her in 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.480 that scene, she's like, I don't know if she's pushing 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:16.199 something down, yeah, or something's coming up. But that was terror. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:21.480 If you saw some of that there, she looked afraid yeah, Um, 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.559 And it was that moment and I can only guess 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.040 you know, I'm speculating here again, but I can only 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.400 guess it's that moment where if anybody's ever had something 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:33.960 like that, don't have to be that, but it maybe 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.080 somebody that you know that acts so what you think 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.800 is out of character, that you don't recognize me, and 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:46.120 it's really really scary. So watching her um try to 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.280 kind of refrain. I watched her kind of refrain. I 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.640 watched terrorsts are kind of refrain from everything. And when 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.840 you when you watch Dean, you know, first Rory comes 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.480 out and she's you know, she's she's still on her 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:03.920 oxytocin high from this right. And then she sees Rory 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.200 come out and she looks a little like, oh hey 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.720 what and then looking disheveled, and then her homesteen and 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.800 just the shock, probably some terror in there. And then 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.400 she doesn't even make eye contact with Dean. And then 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.560 as she when she when Dean leaves and they start talking, 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.680 m I think she's kind of at a loss for words, 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:35.320 and watching Rory move into friend zone with her, watching 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.439 Rory moving into friends zone, and I know that I'm 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.079 kind of going on on this question, but no earlier, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.080 earlier in the episode, and that one of my favorite 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.960 Rory lore last scenes when she's at the diner and 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:52.240 having her check out. Luke acting different. Really, that's how 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.079 they talk. We're used to that. Their their way of 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.760 communicating like that, but really, isn't that more of a 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:04.280 best friend conversation? Yeah, your daughter kind of in her daughter, Yeah, 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:09.319 and her daughters even kind of being very discerning, like you, Luke, 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.160 this is Luke. You. You can't just get with Luke 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.199 and then if something happens, everything's gonna be fine. It's 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.640 gonna affect us, it's gonna affect the town. Really discerting 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.680 in that moment, And so I just thought it was 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.240 interesting when they go back, when Laurela has to be 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.280 pulled into a role that she doesn't have to do 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:35.680 very often, being a mom. Right, it's it was jarring 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.280 when she when she goes from best friend to mom. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.120 It is a little jarring, which is why I reacted 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.960 the way I did. But anyway, continue this is yeah, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.320 so true because she was so yeah, Rory was so 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.720 nonchalant about it. Oh we're fine, you know, sorry I 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:53.760 didn't tell you. Did you think she was like a 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.000 little bit sheepish? Amy when at first, like, you know, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.680 aren't you happy it's with somebody? That loves me very 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.880 like that conversation I think should have happened with Lane 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:09.520 over Laura Lee would have been would have been a 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.320 little probably more appropriate what what we would think. And 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.040 then you watch Laura Lie she can't help, you know, 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.960 And I think we've established at this point in the show, 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.960 Laura Lae that is her person, that is her most 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.360 important person in the world, that is everything, that's that's 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:31.480 she revolves around her. So she's gonna care. She doesn't 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.800 want this for her daughter, for sure, even though Rory's 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:40.240 kind of in kind of a postcoital fantasy place again 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:45.400 with her own oxytocin high but um, she doesn't want 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:49.120 the situation because it's not that it's Dean necessarily, it's 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.320 where Dean is now. So you can watch her kind 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.720 of you can watch her kind of move in and 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.360 out of parents like am I gonna move in? Am 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.760 I gonna move out? Um, and being very concerned about, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.080 you know, Rory's reaction if I'm Lorilae for a minute, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.440 Rory's reaction towards me because I want, I want to 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.760 say something here and I don't want her to reject me. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.080 So I thought it was pretty tamped down considering what 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.760 it could be. And I also know the things that 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.240 she said that I knew was going to send Rory 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.320 into a defense place right when she went into mother mode. 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.400 And Scott, you had made the comment about what about tomorrow, 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.040 you know what if they did that tomorrow? There is 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.920 there is some truth in that. There's even some training 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.240 when you know, parents learn how they're to kind of 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:43.120 manage their own neurobiology so that they're responsive and not reactive, 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.440 and and even and I don't know, is this still 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.800 a thing? Amy, do you remember this where they had 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.400 the contract if you were drinking, you signed the contract 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.480 with your parent and your parent will pick you up. 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.600 We're not going to talk about it till tomorrow. Buelerheads prevail. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.440 So there is something too that. And I think that 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.440 she still did probably about its best of a job 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.359 as she could given this shock of that. UM, I 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.399 think she did try to reel it in. And I 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:16.399 wouldn't be surprised if there weren't some Emily and Richard 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:23.720 Gilmore comments that she's holding back and also this this 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.520 this piece too of just the human aspect of this. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.880 She says a couple of things that when she when 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.560 she says to Rory that she's, you know, again, trying 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:36.320 to shock Rory back into reality. Who is this girl 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:41.000 right now? And they're shaming And we do that sometimes 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.320 when someone's does something that we're so shocked by, we 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:49.800 want to shame them back into you know, what's appropriate. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.879 And that's a really good point, Scott. I think that 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.040 that you. I think you reacted to that too. That 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.360 you didn't there was some of that which you could 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:05.479 understand but probably could have been done better. Shaming her 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.640 was not the move. The longer I live, the more 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.920 I the more harm I see people absorbed with shaming. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.160 And it's a real harm, and it's a long term harm. 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.960 And it's nothing, you know, it's it's nothing than anybody 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.880 should take lightly. And uh, that's that's why I said 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.560 what I said. I almost more, I'm far more sensitive 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.320 sensitive to it now. I almost could hear Lorelai saying 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.200 you should be ashamed of yourself. She didn't say it, 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:36.920 but yeah, but I'd have been a part of it. 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:40.480 It's like I almost am hearing that. Why do I 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:44.399 feel like she did say that? Did she not knowed 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.200 to it? Yeah? Yeah, we picked it up though. I 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.080 think you guys are all saying, is we kind of 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.359 we kind of picked it up. I did pick it up. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.240 I have a question for you, Kim, Like, let's just 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.639 say you're doing like a session with Lorelei Murray. They 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.480 just came to you one day and they're like, we're 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.879 having other daughter relationship issues and they brought up this 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.880 this night, Like how would you help them navigate that? Well, 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.280 now you're now you're kind of stepping into like, well, 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:18.359 I don't do couples anymore. But what we what we 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.920 do have to do in those kind of situations is 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.639 trying to make it safe so that the one, you know, 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:30.600 one party can speak their feelings free of the interjecting 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.280 of the other ones. Because really, you know, you're they're 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.720 trying to resolve an issue. You know, like they're gonna 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.480 want They're not gonna be coming in if they don't 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.440 want to resolve it. And truthfully, if Laura Lai can't 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:48.040 calm down enough here where Rory's coming from, she's not 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.080 gonna get anything from Rory or he's gonna stay in protective, 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.680 defensive mode. This is just how we are. You know, 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.200 we're we're If I feel ashamed, you're not gonna get 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:00.840 a lot out of me because I'm gonna have expect myself. Um, 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.479 it's it can be. It can be a useful thing 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.480 and compliancy, but it's not useful in terms of making 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.720 connections with people. It's I'm so curious what everyone in 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:14.200 this group would have thought would have happened. If it 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.960 was Jess that came out, I'd be thrilled. But I thought, like, 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:22.679 absolutely thrilled. Like it was Jess, Yeah, Dean was single, 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.840 I would be thrilled, Like you know what I mean, Like, 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.239 it's not the fact that they had that she had 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.080 sex with Dean, it's the fact that she had sex 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.040 with Dean who is married. Yeah. And I think I 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.600 think that Lorala actually would have done what Scott said, 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.440 being like, oh my gosh, and let's talk about this tomorrow. 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.080 Let's get back to the party, because it would have 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.320 not been It would have been something they're gonna eat 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.879 their popcorn and talk about tomorrow. Good and bad. There 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.000 would be some bad, yeah, but it wouldn't have been dramatic. 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.280 And even if it was, if Dean wasn't married, it 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.480 would have If it was Dean and he just wasn't married, 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.840 it would have been a completely different conversation. But you 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.480 know how many time times in our lives just to 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.760 take it out of this arena a little bit, But 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:08.000 how many times in our personal lives, throughout our lives 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.320 would we have all made better choices had we just stopped, 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:19.240 sat down, controlled ourselves, taken a couple of deep breaths, 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:24.159 walked away, and not addressed it in the moment, in 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.040 the heat of the moment, Right, how many how many 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.760 blow ups did you have in your life because you 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.560 didn't do that? And I I think that's an important 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:38.879 skill to learn. I also think Laurla would have been 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.800 equally as upset in the way she was, even if 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.640 they hadn't had sex per se. Say, they just came 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.360 out of that room and they were like making out 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:52.359 and fooling around like whatever. Right, I think that's what 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:58.560 has It's the affair or the behind the back or 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.680 the inappropriateness of it, not that Rory decided to lose 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:09.320 her virginity. Yeah, I agree, that's yeah, It's not about 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.840 Laura or it's not about Rory having sex. It's about 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:16.720 the principle. The principle. Yea and Amy, you had made 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.280 a comment about what it means like what Laurea La 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:24.360 wants to protect her from. You know what it's it's 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.040 it's a married man. Yes, it's Dean, it's my Dean. 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.480 There's a lot of consequences in there that Rory's not 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.640 seeing right now. So, like you said about just if 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:38.040 if if Laura La, and again Laura is very preoccupied. 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:40.760 This is to me this was a season of transitions 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:44.720 and unavailability of what we consider kind of our stable people. 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.240 It seems like all the main characters have something going 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.800 on that they're not um as accessible to each other. 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.240 They don't feel the same level of support or But 0:22:55.560 --> 0:23:00.920 but Rory is looking for like what, well, I'm getting 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.240 off my train of thought here, but what Rory did. 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:08.440 If if Laura La would have seen maybe all of 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.480 the stuff that was happening that was leading up to 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:15.840 that moment, she might have intervened. Yeah, you know, just 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:24.119 questioning and and unfortunately, and I've you guys can kind 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.639 of give me your thoughts on this too. In the 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.199 four years that this has been on, as close as 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:34.960 they are to everyone in Stars Hollow, there's really not 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:40.480 another mother figure, not really no, right, Um, you know 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.000 you've got bad, bad and you've got, you know, some 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.119 other people miss Patty, but they don't really step in 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.320 in the you know, kind of an ant role or 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:54.120 you know, not even Suki does that and she certainly doesn't, right, 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:59.320 and Richard and Emily they don't deal with that side 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:03.680 of Rory. So there really wasn't a lot. There really 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.760 wasn't many other choices. Lane was preoccupied too when she 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:09.680 especially when she moved out of the dorm and uh 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:14.560 with Loralai in this circumstance, they don't have a lot 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.960 of She and Rory do not have a lot of 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.080 these ruptures in their relationship where there's a lot of 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.560