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A 20 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: twenty eight year old beauty goes missing. I've never seen 21 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: so many twists and turns in a case. I'm Nancy Grace. 22 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 23 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, with me an all star panel. 24 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: First of all, my longtime sparring buddy, Mark Eiglar's criminal 25 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: defense attorney and author of Be Happy by Choice, Happiness Guaranteed, 26 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: or Your Misery Back. Oh, you can find it at 27 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: Happiness Happy by Choice dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalysts 28 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: to the stars joining me out of Beverly Hills at 29 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle PD 30 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: twenty two of That homicide author Seattle's Forgotten Serial Killer. 31 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: Gary Jane Grant at Kloyd Steiger dot com. Professor Forensics, 32 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. 33 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, but first to leave my page Crime 34 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: Online dot com investigative reporter. You know Maria Fury. It 35 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: sounds like she's beautiful on the out side and beautiful 36 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: on the inside. What can you tell me, Levi about 37 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Maria before she goes missing? You know Nancy, her friends 38 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: and family say that she's an extremely nice person, always 39 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: willing to help someone out. She loved animals, and she 40 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: was reported missing Thursday afternoon. Hold on just a moment 41 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: before we get into the missing. I'm looking at a 42 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: picture right now, doctor Bethany Marshall, and this is just 43 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: the kind of photo that Mark Eyeglash hates and would 44 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: fight me tooth and nail if I tried to bring 45 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: this in front of a jury. But you know, she 46 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: looks like I know, this drives you crazy when I 47 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: do this, Doctor Bethany. She looks like twenty eight year 48 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: old Selena Gomez, so you know now, and she's got 49 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: it looks like a objection right being to sympathy. Yes, 50 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: that's exactly what Eyeglash would say, and he would argue 51 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: that this has nothing to do with her disappearance. She's 52 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: with a young man, this must be husband, Joshua Fury, 53 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and with a gorgeous chocolate puppy, a chocolate brown lab 54 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: a puppy. Have you seen this, Jackie? I mean, when 55 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: I look at her and I think about her going missing, 56 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: it just burns me up. LEVI you said she was 57 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: quote nice. I mean you could say that about the 58 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: sofa up in the living room. But what else can 59 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: you tell me about her? I mean, I know you 60 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: say she loves pets, but I know she was an 61 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: exercise enthusiast. In fact, the last time she was seeing 62 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: she was wearing black exercise pants with a pink stripe 63 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: down the leg, a black shirt. It looks to me 64 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: as if she had gone out jock was ready to 65 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: go jogging. There are other action shots of her, or 66 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: here's one of her snow skiing somewhere with a mountain 67 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: in the back background. I know she exercised routinely out 68 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: in her neighborhood. And now I'm seeing another picture, Jackie, 69 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: of her holding that little puppy and now he's a 70 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 1: big dog. Here she is, he grew up with her, 71 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: and she's got a big smile on her face. Where 72 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: where do they live? Leave? I what's the location? Maple Grove, Minnesota, Nancy, Okay, 73 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: right there, Joseph Scott Morgan, You and I've seen a 74 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: lot of cases, but Maple Grove. That sounds like it's 75 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: out of the Laura Ingle's little house on the prairie, 76 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Like nothing could ever go wrong in Maple Grove. Yeah, 77 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: that's what makes these cases many times so very horrific 78 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: because you get this kind of beautiful, bucolic sounding place 79 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, hell rains down on it. Nancy, 80 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: you know Chloyd Stiger thirty six years Seattle PD and 81 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant. I haven't 82 00:05:55,279 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: forgotten him, by the way Maple Grove. You know, I 83 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: recall Cloyd turning into so many homicide scenes, and very 84 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: often they'll be like Fair Street, Candy Apple Drive, and 85 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: then there's a murder and it's a perfectly neat looking 86 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: residential home with a cul de side or maybe tree 87 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: lined like Beaver Cleaver, remember that, Cloyd, and it just 88 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: doesn't fit with what your mind believes is going to 89 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: be a murder scene. Well, Joseph Scott's right. You know, 90 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: on the outside of the street's going to look completely passive, 91 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: but you never know what else is going on in 92 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: the neighborhood and what's going on inside. So that's that's 93 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: the problem with these cases, that that steak up on 94 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: everybody and nobody expects them. Yeah, it really does, guys. 95 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to WCCO CBS 96 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: four News anchor Frank Vasello, I please need help finding 97 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: a Twin Cities woman whose family fair she is in danger. 98 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: Maria Fury disappeared after she left her home in Maple 99 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: Grove to go for a walk yesterday morning. Investigators on 100 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: homeowners near Eagle and Pike Lakes to check their property 101 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: for anything suspicious. Free was wearing a black shirt and 102 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: black pants with a pink stripe down the leg. A 103 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: public search's plan for tomorrow morning. Listen to what they said, 104 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: Twin Cities, Twin Sees. I feel like I know the 105 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: Twin Cities like the back of my hand because of 106 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: all the prey books you ever read those, there's like 107 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: a whole series of them. They always happened. I'm pretty 108 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: sure around the Twin Cities. So I'm looking at this location, 109 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: Levi page she went missing walking. I'm looking at her home. 110 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: It'send kind of a rural area, but it's a subdivision. 111 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: Is that where she goes missing? Yes, it is Nancy. 112 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: And Nancy her husband, Joshua Fury, says that he went 113 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: to go to work. It was around eleven thirty am, 114 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: and she was on the phone with her mom, actually 115 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: inside the house, and she said that she was about 116 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: to go for a walk. Heading out for a walk. Guys, 117 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: Maria firies family distraught along with her husband when she 118 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: goes missing as she goes out for a walk. Nancy, 119 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: can I make a comment about that? Yeah, jump in. Yeah. 120 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: You know, women who walk, run, jog on the same 121 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: route every single day, unfortunately, really put themselves at risk. 122 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: These are the type of young women where somebody might 123 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: be watching out of their front window of their house 124 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: and they see the same young woman come by day 125 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: after day after day. Or a serial killer is looking 126 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: for a victim and looking for somebody who's vulnerable, separated 127 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: from family and friends, an old boyfriend, somebody who's stalking her, 128 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: you know, becomes preoccupied and begins to familiarize himself with 129 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: her whereabouts. So when you tell me, I look at 130 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: the picture, I look at how gorgeous she is. And 131 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: by the way, as a psychoanalyst, I can sometimes tell 132 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: people's mental health just by looking at their face. You 133 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: can tell by their affects. She doesn't look depressed. They 134 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: look very happy in the marital picture. She loves her dog. 135 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: But it's that jogging route that just concerns me a 136 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: little bit. If she fell prey to somebody who kind 137 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: of had an eye on her, you know, as you 138 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: were saying that, Doctor Bethany, And I don't know if 139 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: this has happening with you, Mark, I glash with me, 140 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: I Renown, a criminal defense attorney and author, would be 141 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: happy by choice. Mark, take off your defense at just 142 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: a moment and help me analyze this. Because as doctor 143 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall was talking a parade, a stream of women's 144 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: names and faces ran through my head. Remember Sarah school 145 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: was just covered. I think Sarah was her first name, 146 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: and her neighbor had been watching her. She ends up dead, 147 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: leaving behind a four year old little boy, but one 148 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: that is more commonly known as Molly Tibbitts, the college 149 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: student that was doing home at a boyfriend's home. Boyfriend's 150 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: out of town. She goes for a jog. Bam turns 151 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: out to be a farm worker that would see her 152 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: go jogging day after day. How many cases start just 153 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: like that, Mark Eyeglash Unfortunately too many. So what's the message? 154 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: If you're pretty stay indoors? You know? So you know 155 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: that's not exactly the message I was thinking of. I know, 156 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating, but now they're Unfortunately there are too 157 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: many cases like that, anyone in the same mode of 158 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: action so that they could be followed. You hear that 159 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: all the time. I like the point that was made. Yeah, 160 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: you know. In my book coming out, Mark, I deal 161 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: with how to stay safe and a lot of situations, 162 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: including exercising. One of them is to take alternate routes. 163 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: But you know what, you have a route for a reason. 164 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: Either it's timed out for the time you want, or 165 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: it's more convenient. There's reasons people do what they do. 166 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: By rote crime stories with Nancy Grace, We're talking about 167 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: the disappearance of a gorgeous young girl and I'm looking 168 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: at our picture right now, Maria Fury take a Listen 169 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave Mack. Maria 170 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: Fury's family described her as fiercely loyal to her family 171 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: and friends. It's not like her to not keep in touch. 172 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: Joshua Fury reported his wife missing in the early evening 173 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: of April thirtieth. He called the Maple Grove Police Department 174 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: to report his wife missing. Fury tells officers that when 175 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: he got home from work around six thirty pm. His 176 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: wife wasn't there. He looked around the house, he found 177 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: her phone. He then searched along her usual walking route. 178 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: When he didn't find her, he reported his twenty eight 179 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: year old wife missing. Police conducted search of the home. 180 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: The next day, police begin an exhaustive search of the area, 181 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: spending two hours searching on the ground, a helicopter conducting flyovers. 182 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: But where is Maria Fury? Where is Maria Fury? They 183 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: say they did an exhaustive search. Let's get into it. 184 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: Leavi Page with me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 185 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: tell me about the search. I understand the search was, 186 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: as Dave Matt just described it, exhaustive. What did they 187 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: do to try to find her? So they were searching 188 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: in the woods, they were searching bodies of water, Nancy. 189 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: They dispatched helicopters to search for her. And here's the 190 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: facts surrounding her disappearance. Her husband comes home from work 191 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: around five pm. She's not there. He says that her 192 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: cell phone is inside on the kitchen counter, her pocketbook, 193 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: debit card, everything is in wait, wait, wait, hold on, 194 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: hold on. That says a lot to me right there, 195 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: to Cloyd Steiger, it's not like her. Remember when Sherry 196 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: Peppini went missing and her cell phone is found out 197 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: in a rural area by us several mailboxes, and it's 198 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: sitting beside the dirt road with the earpiece coiled up 199 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: on top of it. It's out. That tells me she 200 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: was jogging here. Nothing seems to be a missus Cloyd Steiger. 201 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: Cell phone sitting right on the counter. LEVI, where is 202 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: your pocketbook? We don't know. We know that it wasund 203 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: inside the home. Pleas that it was about inside. Well, 204 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: that's important because it's not strewn out in the front yard, 205 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: Cloyd Stiger. It's not dropped by the car as if 206 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: she were trying to get in the car, as in 207 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos who went missing up in Connecticut. She's dead, 208 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: her cell phone still in her car. She never really 209 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: made it out of her garage into the home. Here, 210 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: the pocketbooks in the home, the cell phone sitting on 211 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: the counter. What does that tell you, Kloyd? What whatever 212 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: happened started in that house, whether it was well, I 213 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: don't know about that. What has she walked out to 214 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: go walking and left all our stuff very neatly right there? Well, 215 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: that's what The other thing to kind of buzz me 216 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: about this is the time that she's only gone an 217 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: hour or he's home an hour when he calls the police. 218 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: I mean, wait a minute, I disagree. He leaves around 219 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: two thirty, he sees her talking on the phone. He 220 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: gets gets back after work and he noticed she's missing. 221 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: He re walks the route Leavi page. What I'm trying 222 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: to say is there's no struggle in the home. There's 223 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: no struggle in the car. The car still sitting there. Well, 224 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: mar can you tell me LEVI there is no evidence 225 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: of a struggle inside the home. And he says that 226 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: he got off work around five pm. She was not there. 227 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: So he got on his bike and went to the 228 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: route that she usually goes on to go jogging and 229 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: walking and could not find her. That was about an 230 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: hour later after he returned off work from work, and 231 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: then he called nine one one and police arrived and 232 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: started searching for her. Well made jump in if I 233 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: I was just a quick comment. I think it's admirable 234 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: that he called the police right away. He went looking 235 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: for her, he couldn't find her. He called the Please 236 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: because so many people wait twenty four hours and minutes 237 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: too late. Secondarily, did the husband know something? Did he 238 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: go looking for her right away because she had a 239 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: stalker or she had been engaging in some risky behavior, 240 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: maybe running without a cell phone or without something to 241 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: secure her safety. So maybe we should see this as 242 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: a good sign that he went looking right away. Guys. 243 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: The police get dispatched to the couple's Maple Grove home. 244 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: They're a red fox drive after her husband called reporting 245 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: wife missing. A large scale search is launched, including teams 246 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: on the ground and searches by helicopter. Police bring out 247 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: sniffer dogs, as they call them, scent dogs. We know 248 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: that bodies of water or search did Joseph Scott Morgan 249 00:15:54,760 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: forensics expert. Searching as a diver is very very difficult, 250 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: as you know, I've dived all over before the twins 251 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: were born, and very often the water is so murky 252 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: if you hold your hand up you can't see it. 253 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: Very very difficult, and especially lakes lakes. What can you 254 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: tell me about a forensic search of a body of water. 255 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: How difficult is that, Joe Scott? It's very difficult, Nancy. 256 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: First off, there there are actually people that specialize in 257 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: underwater crime scene processing and you know, a lot of 258 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: the stuff, as you stated, is done by feel. You 259 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: have to you kind of feel around. It's not like 260 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, people think about you know, you're diving. You 261 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: go to the Caribbean and you can see everything in 262 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: front of you. It's not like that, particularly in these 263 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: inland lakes. Even though Minnesota is known as the Land 264 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: of ten Thousand Lakes, these lakes are not necessarily clear. 265 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: You've got a lot of silt in there. If you have, 266 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, a body, or if you have other bits 267 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: of other and it's like firearms and that sort of 268 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: thing that we have to deal with in forensics that 269 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: are at the bottom of the lake. Most of these 270 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: people that process these things actually do it by touch 271 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: and feel. Wow. Just imagine being on your hands and 272 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: knees at the bottom of a lake feeling around for 273 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: a body or a weapon. We know the scale was 274 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: the search was extensive at the get go. But I 275 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: understand Joseph Scott Morgan. They start in the house. Why well, 276 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: because generally if you've got someone missing, okay, like this 277 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: young lady, it's not like she had been to work 278 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 1: or somewhere else. And plus this is the hub. If 279 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: you imagine the center of a wheel. Everything else kind 280 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: of radiates out from where you live, and this is 281 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: where she was last known to be. So that's going 282 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: to be our primary scene at that moment time. That's 283 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: going to be forefront and our mind as to where 284 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: it's going to give us clues as to where she 285 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: might be at this point in time. We're dealing with 286 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: a missing person's case, and that's what we're trying to 287 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: narrow down. There are there any clues at the scene 288 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: that's going to give us an indication of where she 289 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: may have been going. Did she leave a note? Was 290 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: there a sign of struggle, as we had mentioned earlier, 291 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: signs of break in, that sort of thing. So we 292 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: have to eliminate all of that other stuff before we 293 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: extend it out any further. And if there were a 294 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: sign of signs of a struggle. Mark Eyeglash, criminal defense 295 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: attorney joining me, let's just talk about Teresa Severs. That's 296 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: a great example. Cops walk in, there's an immediate sign 297 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: of struggle. Now a lot of times that indicates a 298 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: random perp, because if it wasn't random, they could clean 299 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: up afterwards. If it wasn't random, there may not be 300 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: signs of a struggle. But here we see no sign 301 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: of struggle. That tells me. It could tell me a 302 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: lot of different things, but specifically that the incident did 303 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: not occur in the home. Plus cops came and come 304 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: the inside of their home. Mark eye Larsh, Yeah, yeah, 305 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: it could tell you that, but if it all also 306 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: could tell you nothing, because yep, the first thing a 307 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: rookie CoP's gonna do when a wife goes missing is 308 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: believe that it's the husband, and because of that, they 309 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: then will consider where they spent the most time, in 310 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: the most likely place that this could have happened, being 311 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: the home. The absence of a struggle or evidence of 312 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: a struggle can simply mean that the area has been 313 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: staged however the husband wanted it to look like. And 314 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: so I don't think that you take anything for granted. 315 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: I think that you make no assumptions and you stay 316 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: focused on the husband until you eliminate them. Well, you 317 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: have to, guys, take a listen to our pens a KSTP, 318 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: ABC five, Crystal Bull. This Maple Grove neighborhood doesn't seem 319 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: like it would be the scene of a crime. At 320 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: one point we saw anywhere from ten to fifteen cop 321 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: cars Maple Grove please say. Twenty eight year old Maria 322 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: Pugh Theory was reported missing Thursday. It was through this 323 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: neck of the woods that neighbors tell us they saw 324 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: investigators bringing out their canines looking for evidence. Neighbors tell 325 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: us the two moved into the home on Red Fox 326 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: Drive this fall. I just moved in later in the fall, 327 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: and I just kind of mete him a couple of 328 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Came over and helped me with my yardwork, 329 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: and seemed like a nice young couple and that we're 330 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: very happy, and all of a sudden this happens. This 331 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: neighbor didn't want to be identified. It seemed like a 332 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: hardworking young couple that moved into the neighborhood and very 333 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: he was very well mannered and quiet. Prime Stories with 334 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Guys. A disappearance of a twenty something Maria 335 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: Fury throws a community into a frenzy. The search goes 336 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: on by helicopter, by ground by K nine, but then 337 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: with no luck. Having gone over and over her walking route, 338 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: police bring in as they call recovery dogs. Recovery dogs 339 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: in the search for twenty eight year old Maria Fury. 340 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: Then a sudden twist in the case. Take a listen 341 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: to Crime online dot COM's Dave Mack. As the search 342 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: for Maria Fury continues, police begin to interview friends in family. 343 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: That's when they learned that Maria Fury and her husband 344 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: are having marital problems. In fact, Maria's mother tells police 345 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: she intended to leave her husband. Friends describe Joshua Fury 346 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: as controlling and possessive. He repeatedly denied harming his wife, 347 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: and even in Tipton to blame his wife's ex boyfriend 348 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: for Maria's disappearance. Police soon executed search warrant of their 349 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: home with recovery dogs, which hit on human remains in 350 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: the lower level crawl space with a dirt floor covered 351 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: in plastic. The space was less than four feet tall. 352 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: Officers spend hours working with a system of buckets and 353 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: tarps to remove the dirt from the small crawl space. 354 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: At about one thirty in the morning on May the second, 355 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Maria Fury's body is found. How does the body this beautiful, 356 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: young Maria Fury end up in a crawl space, a 357 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: crawl space of her own home. Now many people are 358 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: full to police for not finding this the first few 359 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: times they searched the home, but they only found Maria 360 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: after bringing in recovery dogs, which means cajavra dogs. That's 361 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: what that means. You know, you may see this in 362 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: horror movies where bodies are hidden in crawl spaces, but 363 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: in reality doesn't happen that much. We all recall the 364 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: case of killer clown Wayne Gacy, who buried a number 365 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: of young boys bodies in crawl spaces in its own 366 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: a home, but the reality is too Joseph's got Morgun. 367 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: Professor forensics Jacksonall's state, you don't see this mode of 368 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: disposing of a body that often. No, No, you don't. 369 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: I've worked several of them over these over the course 370 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: of my career, and one of the really interesting, you know, 371 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: little sidelines to this I find in these cases I've worked. 372 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: It seems as though, and you know, doctor Bethany could 373 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: probably talk to this, but it seems so that people 374 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: that do this sort of thing where they'll take a 375 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: victim and bury them within the structure or beneath the 376 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: structure where they're in dwelling where they live, it's almost 377 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: like they want to keep control of the body. Okay, 378 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: And there's any number of places that we can go 379 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: with this psychologically, but it's like they want to deny 380 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: access to anybody else to that body, because you know, 381 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: if you take a body and you're buried out in 382 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: the woods, you have the opportunity of just some random 383 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: person coming along and finding the body. You know, we 384 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: were talking about that with working This case is a 385 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: missing person's case. In this particular instance, these cops are 386 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: not thinking about, well, maybe she's buried under the house 387 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: in the crawl space. That's not the case they were 388 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: working in this As a missing person, you take her body, 389 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: you bury it beneath the house, you have absolute control 390 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: over access and movement of the remains of the evidence 391 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: and everything. And so he literally asserts himself, inserts himself 392 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: into this circumstance where everything is in his control, even 393 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: though her body, the wife, the body of his wife, 394 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: is buried right beneath his feet. I want to circle 395 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: back to you about the logistics of the forensic evidence 396 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: that you would find. Look for how it's preserved and 397 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: how it's destroyed in a crawl space. It's very, very 398 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: significant in this case. But I want us to go 399 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany on what you just said, Doctor Bethany 400 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: Marshall joining me out of Beverly Hills, Doctor Bethany, what 401 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: does it mean when you dispose of a boy? When 402 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: you kill someone and you keep their body close you 403 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: and I were talking about this the other day with 404 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: Shannon Graves, where this young woman was murdered, She was dismembered, 405 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: she was putting a freezer, and the killer her boyfriend 406 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: kept the key to the freezer padlock on his keychain, 407 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: so every time he looked, I mean, I've got pictures 408 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: of the twins and David on my keychain. He has 409 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: the key fob to his lover's dead body on his keychain. 410 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: That's right. So what does this mean when you keep 411 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: the body or a memento of the body close to you. Well, 412 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: I think a significant fact that could shed light on 413 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: why he would put her in a cross space in 414 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: the marital home is that she wanted to leave her family. 415 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: Was saying she wanted to divorce him, that he was jealous, possessive, controlling, 416 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: And we know I said this so many times on 417 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: your show, Nancy. Women are at the greatest for homicide 418 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: when they are gaining their independence and they want to 419 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: leave an abusive relationship. So put that fact alongside that 420 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: these details that she's buried in the marital home, he's 421 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: now guaranteeing she'll never leave. She can't go out into 422 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: the world. She can't be beautiful, she can't be admired 423 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: by other men, she can't get another academic degree, write 424 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: a paper, have children, enjoy her friendships. He has scrubbed 425 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: her off the face of the earth and in his 426 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: own crawl space. Also, Nancy, another less psychological and more 427 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: cognitive behavioral factor is that he actually might be fairly 428 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: low functioning, meaning that he couldn't pick a very sophisticated 429 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: spot for her, and that maybe this was, you know, 430 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: what we call a crime of passion. I tend to 431 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: think a bit more as abuse going out of control. 432 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: He killed her. He had not prepared a dump fight 433 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 1: ahead of time, and so he had to bury her 434 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: close to home. You know, like with parents who kill 435 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: their children. We always know that two thirds of children 436 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: who are are murdered by their parents are disposed of 437 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: within a quarter mile of the home, and that's often 438 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: due to familiarity and then lack of planning and preparedness. 439 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: On the perpetrator's part. Guys, we're talking about the husband 440 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: a Minnesota man, Joshua David Fury, twenty eight years old 441 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: himself is faced with the prospect that his wife's body, 442 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: twenty eight year old Maria, is found in his crawl space. Okay, 443 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: so right there, Mike, Mark our Glash, you got a problem. 444 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: Mark Eyeglash, criminal defense attorney joining me and author, Mark, 445 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: how do you dig yourself out of that hole when 446 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: your clients body is in your clients crawl space in 447 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: the basement. Yeah, I got no problems until the check clears. Okay, 448 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: this guy has paid me in nickel, I got no problems. 449 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: Let's just for tandy paid hypothetically. Hypothetically the guy is 450 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: paying for my kids college, then, yeah, I got a 451 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: problem and usury. When the body is in your house 452 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: and no one else has access to the crawl space, 453 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: you're looking at a defense that likely will never work. 454 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: And that is you know, was cuckoo for Coco puffs 455 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: when it happened, And that's it. And then you're talking 456 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: plea bargain. Yeah, I mean you're stuck. Were you going 457 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: to argue that an instruder came in murdered her and 458 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: buried her, had the time to bury her in the 459 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: crawl space and not just that leavi page. What was 460 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: the condition of her body? How was she found? So Nancy? 461 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: She was found wrapped in plastic and she had duct 462 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: tape over her nose, her mouth, and her face wrapped 463 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: in pat plastic, duct tape over nose, mouth and face. 464 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: And as I recall, plastic bag over her head, it 465 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: was like doctor Bethanie Marshall, psychoanas joining me at Beverly 466 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: Heels that she was hermetically sealed like a mummy. Yes. 467 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: I contrast this how he treated the body with helping 468 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: the neighbor mow his lawn, with his lawn work. You 469 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: know he's out there, they're acting happy. He puts on 470 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: what Read Malloy calls the mask of sanity, which is 471 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: what the sociopath frequently do. They act. They act, They 472 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: learn to pretend that they are normal in society. They 473 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: are superficially gregarious and affable. They want to be liked. 474 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: And you compare that with taking his beloved wife, putting 475 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: a bag over her head, feeling it with masking, not 476 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: with masks, with duct tape, pulling her arms to the side. 477 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan could speak more to this particular crime scene. 478 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: But this is somebody who was so dispassionate about the 479 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: woman he loved. He you say hermetically sealed. I think, 480 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: did you ever see the movie Boxing Helena about thirty years? 481 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: I know, I've tried to put that out of my 482 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: mind because I knew what it was about, and it 483 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: got me so upset that I couldn't bear to the girlfriend. 484 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: So he successfully removed body parts until she's she's done, Okay, 485 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: I'd take my earpiece even I had to take my 486 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: earpiece out for that one time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 487 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 1: we're talking about the sudden disappearance of twenty eight year 488 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: old Maria Fury, the intensive search for her. Cops come 489 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: back and let me point this out to Mark Eyeglash, 490 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: criminal Events Attorney. They came back with a second warrant 491 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: to search home and in a crawl space no more 492 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: than four feet off the ground in the basement, and 493 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: there was a dirt floor basement, they find her body. 494 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: They find it by use of cadaver dogs they youphemistically 495 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: call recovery dogs. Take a listen to Dave maat crime 496 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: online dot com. During a police interview, Fury admits to 497 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: killing his wife and burying her body in the crawl space. 498 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: He says he killed her during an argument about her leaving. 499 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: He says he squeezed his wife's neck until he heard 500 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: a snap, then, realizing she was not dead, placed a 501 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: plastic bag over her head and her nose. He told 502 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: police that after he killed her, he wrapped her in 503 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: duct tape, the very same duct tape that he was 504 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: later going to use to hang her missing posters. Then 505 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: he cleaned up the house went to work. Fury told 506 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: authorities the murder and cover up took only two and 507 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: a half hours. Wow. Koy Siger, thirty six years, Seattle PD, 508 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: twenty two years homis sounds like he was proud of 509 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: it that he managed to kill her, dispose of her body, 510 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: and do a clean up and make it to work 511 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: on time. Yeah, you know, this guy is like an 512 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: ultimate I think I agree with Bethany. He kind of 513 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies and he just it's just a 514 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: matter of here's what I did. And you know, one 515 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: of the things that you mentioned John Wayne Gacy and 516 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: varying in the in the crawl space. And one of 517 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: the things that made John Easy get caught was that 518 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: started to smell, and this guy would have had that 519 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: problem down the line that would have started this order 520 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: would kind of came up from the floor. But he 521 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: is the ultimate controlling. You know, it's my house, my person, 522 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: and I'll just do this and go to work and 523 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 1: act like nothing happened at work. So yeah, he's he's 524 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: a piece of work. Guys, we're talking about Maria Fury, 525 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: Now discovered in the crawl space of her husband's home. 526 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut seven Fox nine News 527 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: anchor Keltsy Carlson. Joshua Fury is charged with second degree 528 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: murder for the death of his wife, Maria Now. Authorities 529 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: discovered her body in a crawl space at the couple's 530 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: home on Saturday. Investigators believe Fury strangled his wife because 531 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: she planned to leave him. After today's court hearing, Maria's 532 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: mother thanked the community for its support. You have to know, 533 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: obviously her murder was just gut wretching, But we really 534 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: want to thank the community for the love and support 535 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: that surrounds Maria and surrounds all of us, and we 536 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: really feel your love, and so does Maria, So thank you. 537 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: Fury's bond was set at two million dollars in honor 538 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: of Maria's voice. Her family is raising money to help 539 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: victims of domestic violence. To doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts joining us, 540 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: why not just break up if your wife wants to 541 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: leave you? Why go through all of this and risk 542 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: life behind ours or the death penalty just to make 543 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: sure she's dead? I mean, and it was to be 544 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: with someone that doesn't want to be with them. He 545 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: did not want to think of her being a free 546 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: agent and autonomous in the world. That would have tortured him. 547 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: These guys have what we call persecutory anxiety. If you 548 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: go out and have a that means you have rejected me, 549 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: you've left me behind. They're very primitive and infantile, meaning 550 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: just like a baby who feels that mommy deserves to 551 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: devote her whole entire life to the baby, and by 552 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: the way, babies deserve to feel the way this way. 553 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: These adults are like caught in that infantile mindset where 554 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: they cannot let the woman go. She has to only 555 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: be devoted to him, and if she does anything else, 556 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: it's like off with her head. That's the psychology, the 557 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: mechanics of recovering her body out of a crawl space 558 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: that was no tar than four feet in a dirt 559 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: floor basement to ours and hours. Take a listen to 560 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: WCCO for Katie Johnston. Investigators believe Joshua Fury killed Maria 561 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: Fury because they were having problems and she planned to 562 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: leave him. Belisaya, dog used to detect humans, scent indicated 563 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: a body was in a crawl space in the lower 564 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: level of the couple's home. Officers took turns digging in 565 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: the crawl space and found her body at one thirty 566 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: in the morning Saturday. Fury told police they had to 567 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: fight Thursday morning and he strangled her and put a 568 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: plastic bag over her face. To you, Justice, Scott Morgan, 569 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: forensics expert, do you recall the search for two year 570 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: old Kelley Anthony where police and medical examinary investigators were 571 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: out way into the night the week morning hours with 572 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: cranes with spotlights shining down on their hands and knees 573 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: so as not to disturb what they would find, trying 574 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: to piece together two hundred plus bones of Keilly's tiny 575 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: body including for instance, this tiny little bone at the 576 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: end of your pinky, your little finger, trying to piece 577 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: together this child's body. Can you imagine in that basement, 578 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: hours and hours taking turns, digging into a crawl space. Yeah. Yeah, 579 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: it's a nightmare. I've worked several of these, and a 580 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: friend of mine, an old investigator, actually described it this way. 581 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: It's like trying to cook a four course meal in 582 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 1: a phone booth. It's a very tight, constricted area. And listen, 583 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: you're not just on your hands and knees and a 584 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: cross face. You're on your belly and everything is right 585 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: in front of you. So it's very intimate conditions. Whereas 586 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, if we're standing upright, if we're working a 587 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: case inside of a house, we have some kind of 588 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: distance between you know, literally our faces and the body itself. 589 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: But in this particular case, you're literally right on top 590 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 1: of the body, and you're terrified because first off, it's hot, 591 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: it's very humid under there. The ground, because you're in 592 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: a crawl space, is very uneven. Notice what Dave said 593 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: earlier in his report, it varied from three to two 594 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: four feet. It's not like a smooth basement, so you're 595 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: having to deal with the contour of the ground, and 596 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: then you have all these evidentiary considerations. Am I laying 597 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: on top of something? Am I moving something around? Lighting 598 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: is horrible. Most people don't have their crawl space a 599 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: lit so you have to bring in lights. Well, guess 600 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 1: what comes with the lights, Nancy, incredible heat. You begin 601 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 1: to bake underneath this environment. That's why they kept having 602 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: to bring people in and out. They're not just moving 603 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: evidence out, They're having to bring fresh investigators in. After 604 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: a while, your shoulders hurt, your elbows hurt, your knees hurt, 605 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: even your belly hurts, and then you're under incredible stress. 606 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: To try to make sure that you can put all 607 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: of these pieces together. You have to photograph in very 608 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: tight areas. It is an absolute horror show to work 609 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: one of these cases. I think back. You know we've 610 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: cited John Wayne Gacy a couple of times. There are 611 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: these classic images from his home, which I don't think 612 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: he even stands any longer. But you know, the police 613 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: in displays I think is the name of this location 614 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: up in Illinois. They had to take the floors out 615 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: of the house and there's these classic images of the 616 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: crime scene investigators standing between the joist. You don't have 617 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: this opportunity in her case. You literally have to kind 618 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: of feel your way along, like we were talking about underwater. 619 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: But it's a horrible environment to have to endwell too. 620 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: Dr Bethidie Marshall. According to cops, after murdering Maria and 621 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: burying her body, he cleaned up meticulously. Sounds like Scott Peterson. 622 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: He turned into a neat nick what to work, came 623 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 1: home and reported her missing. What do these actions tell 624 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: you he was really planning to get away with the 625 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: perfect crime. What it tells me, Nancy along the lines 626 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: of what I said about him being a sociopath. You know, 627 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: criminals are stupid. We all know that from years of 628 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: working together, right that they never think they're going to 629 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: get caught. Not only did he feel he had ultimate 630 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: control over her in life and in death, he felt 631 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: he had control over the community, over her family, over 632 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 1: the police. I bet if you interview her family, you're 633 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: going to find out that he was incredibly controlling and 634 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: derogatory towards them as well. I think they all probably 635 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: knew he was an abuser, and he probably thought he 636 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: could get away with anything like that. Nobody could ever 637 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: come in with lum and all that nobody would ever 638 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: know based upon his personality type, that perhaps he did 639 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: something to her that her family, who loved her so much, 640 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: would never think to investigate and take a look at 641 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 1: what he might have done with her. He just thought 642 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 1: no one would check. I bet this was a clean, quick, 643 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: quick clean up job. And when the investigate gators came in, 644 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: it was pretty obvious what happened. What about the fact 645 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: that he planned in his own mind, he actually planned 646 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: to use the duct tape that he was wrapping around 647 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: her head to put up missing posters. Not only did 648 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: you said that, I was going to say, not only 649 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: did he plan to use the duct tape that he 650 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: used on to kill his wife to hang up the posters, 651 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: but he said it so dispassionately to the police. I mean, 652 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: why confess that to the police unless you are such 653 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: a sociopath that you have absolutely no feelings. You're cold blood. 654 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: This is the kind of guy that once he gets 655 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: behind bars, he's going to start bragging about the crime 656 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: because it didn't mean much to him other than it 657 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: was exciting to end her life. It was just that 658 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: it's Eyeglars See when I hear all these details, when 659 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: I hear about what he did to the body and 660 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: how he tried to conceal her, and and all the 661 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: specifics that you're talking about, that almost eliminates the chances 662 00:40:53,560 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: of success on an insanity See that's Okayetically is that 663 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: you glash? Well, you know, best I ever put on 664 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,479 Speaker 1: the stand was a dog, so great, so I don't 665 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: mind your furry friend. So by this meticulous planning, my wife, 666 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: my wife, by this, it's her fault. By this meticulous planning, 667 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: he almost eliminates any possibility he's going to be able 668 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: to plead And Sanny, that's I was just gonna hit 669 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 1: you with but you beat me to the punch eye glash, 670 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: you're right. Oh that's my point. Yeah, that's my point. 671 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: I don't want you to hit me with that. Yeah. 672 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: I look, my job is to the best that I 673 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 1: can with the fact that I have. And you know, 674 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: the guy's already giving it up in detail. It matches 675 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: apparently him, not you physical evidence. Yeah, And the thing 676 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: is a real problem, you know, if this goes to trial, 677 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: because right now he's charged with murder two the max 678 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: on that is forty years. But if he goes to trial, 679 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: don't you know the prosecutor's gonna love arguing to the 680 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 1: jury he was planning to get an inside laugh every 681 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: time he hung up a missing poster for Maria because 682 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: he was using the same duct tape he used to 683 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: bind her body. It probably relive it every time he 684 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: rip off the duct tape and put up the poster 685 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: and touch and hold that duct tape. Well, you know what, 686 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: rot in hell fury. We stand by his justice unfolds, 687 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: God willing it will. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, 688 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,