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Speaker 1: appreciate the the invite, the welcoming, the cameo. So I
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Speaker 1: fans of the show. So dnyway, this is an interview
Speaker 1: podcast or hanging with friends podcasts. I love talking to
Speaker 1: my radio friends. I love radio people. We've had hacks
Speaker 1: on he was great. One of my mentors from San Diego,
Speaker 1: Jerry Callahan a colleague briefly e I, and he got canceled.
Speaker 1: He was on last week. Jerry was wonderful. That's right.
Speaker 1: Lee Klein was another one. I gotta go through my
Speaker 1: phone here and find some more old radio people. We
Speaker 1: found one today and this is a colleague of ours
Speaker 1: at Fox Sports Radio. He hosted our morning show prior
Speaker 1: to to Clay Travis taking over the morning show was
Speaker 1: Mike North and Andy Furman, and I love the hell
Speaker 1: out of these guys, a couple of radio legends. Andy
Speaker 1: Ferman dominant in the Cincinnati market. Mike North at one
Speaker 1: point was the highest paid sports talk radio personality in
Speaker 1: the entire industry, not just in Chicago, the entire country.
Speaker 1: Mike North was the king of sports talk radio. Back
Speaker 1: in the early two thousand's, late nineties, he had a
Speaker 1: morning show in Chicago, and he is we have doc Mike.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think I I will probably reference Dock
Speaker 1: at some point because I hear Mike North. He bleeds Chicago, right,
Speaker 1: He's he's through and through. If you don't know his story,
Speaker 1: most of us do. But if you're you're new to
Speaker 1: Mike North. He started out as a hot dog vendor
Speaker 1: in Chicago. He had hot dog stands and then he
Speaker 1: ended up he'll he'll, I'm sure we'll get into it
Speaker 1: and he'll tell the story here, but he ended up
Speaker 1: becoming this megastar and media and how that all transpired
Speaker 1: from you know, street smart hot dog vendor to the
Speaker 1: king of sports talk radio. It's a wild, wild tale
Speaker 1: of success. And Mike's lived through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: He's older than us, so he's experienced some craziness before
Speaker 1: we were around, and so we can get into that
Speaker 1: as well. So let's give it up here for Mike North,
Speaker 1: a long time sports radio legend who joins us now
Speaker 1: on the fifth Hour with Ben Maller and David Gascon
Speaker 1: and so, Mike, it's been a while since we've caught
Speaker 1: up here and where are you at With the state
Speaker 1: of the world right now? We are living through some craziness. Wow.
Speaker 1: You know what. First of all, it's good to talk
Speaker 1: to both you guys again. Love you. Uh. I've been
Speaker 1: working at ESPN. I worked at ESPN one thousand on Friday,
Speaker 1: and we have the Encore show on Saturday. It's uh
Speaker 1: called the Odds Couple of Common de Falco. I also
Speaker 1: have an interest in website called Bears battle Room that
Speaker 1: I helped promote with a great guy, Aldo Gandhi and
Speaker 1: who krul people and uh. I was basically making picks
Speaker 1: for Vegas scores and odds. But that's been closed down
Speaker 1: for now and see, we'll see until we see what
Speaker 1: happens with this. Plus, I I moved out of Chicago.
Speaker 1: I moved about seventy miles west. I'm living in a
Speaker 1: nice little community called Huntley, Illinois, me and my wife
Speaker 1: and uh, just enjoying myself. To be honest with you, See,
Speaker 1: I'm a little older now. So if this is what
Speaker 1: this quarantine would happened to me when I was in
Speaker 1: my thirties or forties, that would have been hell to pay.
Speaker 1: But being my age. Now. You know, I I belonged
Speaker 1: to the golf club out here. I played golf a
Speaker 1: couple of times a week, and I say home and
Speaker 1: watch television or look at or play with Twitter, look
Speaker 1: at what you guys are up to and see what's
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, and and Mike, I mean it is wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been through a lot of crazy things
Speaker 1: in your career doing radio and stuff. But the last
Speaker 1: the last hundred days here with everything shutting down, you know,
Speaker 1: on the planet mostly and obviously in our world sports.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you make of what's been going
Speaker 1: on here the last couple of months. I feel for
Speaker 1: you guys. Number one, See, they took my show off
Speaker 1: for about nine weeks at ESPN, and because there was
Speaker 1: no gambling, there was no games. And then they said
Speaker 1: there's gonna They must have gotten word. They brought us
Speaker 1: back May twenty second. Um, But I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1: I only do it once or twice a week, and
Speaker 1: I remember back and nothing's changed. You know, we used
Speaker 1: to call the days of like June July. You know,
Speaker 1: the dregs are January and February. There's always a couple
Speaker 1: of slow months in sports radio. You guys have had
Speaker 1: uh your basic I mean lifeblood taken from you. And
Speaker 1: we've all done a good job. I think all the
Speaker 1: stations have adjusted. I know, some stations like Fox. We
Speaker 1: of course, I did radio from Chicago for Fox here
Speaker 1: for six years. Uh and we set up our own
Speaker 1: little studio. But you know, a lot of stations around
Speaker 1: the country still had their people coming in and it
Speaker 1: took some time to uh adjust. But now it seems
Speaker 1: like everybody's uh, you know, trying to get a rhythm gone.
Speaker 1: But I feel for you guys, because basically every day
Speaker 1: is like a grounddog day. Be sure to catch live
Speaker 1: editions of The Ben Miller Show week days at two
Speaker 1: am Eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app. Yeah, and the odd thing,
Speaker 1: Mike and you did a great job. I loved you
Speaker 1: and in Fermint together. You guys were great. You made
Speaker 1: me laugh every ing. Yeah, we had a lot of fund.
Speaker 1: It was a great show at Jonas you know, and
Speaker 1: it was Robert grierro was a great show. We had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun doing it. But we ran, you know,
Speaker 1: ran it's course, but yeah, it was a lot of fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the weird thing about what's going on right now
Speaker 1: for us? And you know they give us the the
Speaker 1: online streaming numbers and all that stuff. Like Fox Sports
Speaker 1: Radio has had the high some of the highest ratings
Speaker 1: in the twenty year history of the network when there's
Speaker 1: been no sports going on. Like how that makes no
Speaker 1: sense to me? Why why would someone listen to a
Speaker 1: sports ratios? Very odd? I mean, is there do you
Speaker 1: have any theory on why that would be true? If
Speaker 1: it is true? It seems like it's true. It seems
Speaker 1: odd too. Well, I know that streaming is the big
Speaker 1: thing right now. I mean that's what they're going on
Speaker 1: because a lot of the cars aren't in use. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's say so that the first month guys you're on
Speaker 1: the air, well this quarantine or the first two months,
Speaker 1: a lot of people weren't in their cars, so you
Speaker 1: know they're holding onto streaming. Uh, it seems to me
Speaker 1: that people are tuning in. I don't know exactly how
Speaker 1: the ratings are. It doesn't hurt. And I remember when
Speaker 1: me and Angldy were doing mornings, we were an on
Speaker 1: I think you guys are on serious now, right? Are
Speaker 1: you on serious? We're serious? Yes? Well, we were there
Speaker 1: was no at that time, we were non serious. So
Speaker 1: Dad helps two guys, I mean, Benny. It opened up
Speaker 1: a whole new thing that people, a whole new audience
Speaker 1: for you for your overnight shoe and David and everybody else.
Speaker 1: So I think that's helped. But you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: radio guy, and you know what, streaming is very, very important.
Speaker 1: But I've been hearing radio was gonna die for the
Speaker 1: last twenty years. The money still in radio, and uh,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's always going to be that way.
Speaker 1: It's just more fragmented now. I think that the national
Speaker 1: radio stations and Serious next M have done a great job,
Speaker 1: and I think they've sort of hedged out the local
Speaker 1: radio markets if you will. UM what local radio used
Speaker 1: to be the boss. Now you know, it's up for grabs.
Speaker 1: It used to be in Chicago, syndicated radio didn't work
Speaker 1: at all, and uh now it works a little bit
Speaker 1: more than it used to. Uh. I think politically correctness
Speaker 1: has hurt a lot of radio. And I think that
Speaker 1: basically all the stations Serious and and and x UM
Speaker 1: that really hurt the local radio market because there's so
Speaker 1: many great shows on those stations. My piggybacking off of that,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned the PC world. I told this to
Speaker 1: Ben a couple of different times off the air, but
Speaker 1: you know, I had never listened to Ben prior to
Speaker 1: during the network, just because hours and time slots are
Speaker 1: completely different. And then when I got to the network
Speaker 1: and I started working the overnights and I started working
Speaker 1: in the morning shows. You know Jonas Knox, who was
Speaker 1: your producer of the time, he would tell me some
Speaker 1: wild stories because I didn't know who the funk you were.
Speaker 1: I don't know who Andy was because you guys in Chicago.
Speaker 1: But Jonas would tell me some of the best stories
Speaker 1: off the air about you guys. And then I started
Speaker 1: listening and I'm saying, who the funk are these guys?
Speaker 1: And so it grew on me like it grew on him.
Speaker 1: But to be candid with how you are on the radio,
Speaker 1: and this is the personal question, because we had Callahan
Speaker 1: on last week with with Ben because they worked together
Speaker 1: W E E I, and he talked about some of
Speaker 1: the struggles about I remember Jerry. Yeah, absolutely so with
Speaker 1: the way that his show was derailed by by somebody,
Speaker 1: do you think personally, like you mentioned your thirties or forties.
Speaker 1: If you were on the air religiously like like you
Speaker 1: were with Fox, do you think you'd survive in today's climate. Well,
Speaker 1: I made a twenty eight years, which is amazing, but
Speaker 1: you're you know, in the nineties and two thousand's nobody
Speaker 1: and I mean nobody when it came to sports radio.
Speaker 1: UM used the street talk like I did, used the branshness,
Speaker 1: used certain words that you can't even use now. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know when I would find out you can't
Speaker 1: use the words, when the media guy would write about
Speaker 1: it into sometimes or in the tribune, and then everybody
Speaker 1: would get online, you know. But I mean I did
Speaker 1: stuff that you know, Uh how the Black Day, I
Speaker 1: remember our station was not doing any remote or anything
Speaker 1: in the black areas of town and it bothered me,
Speaker 1: and uh, I wanted to show my appreciation. So what
Speaker 1: we did was we set up soul food outside of
Speaker 1: the station and I had a salute the blacks, our
Speaker 1: black listeners, and it was called Hug a Black Day,
Speaker 1: And we had a line all the way down the street.
Speaker 1: And what would happen is they come up, I give
Speaker 1: him a hug, say hey, man, it's good to see you,
Speaker 1: and man Jesse Jackson got on me. Operation purch got
Speaker 1: on me, said I was patronizing, which I wasn't. And
Speaker 1: then they started realizing this we could use that type
Speaker 1: of hugging right now. And I realized twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: did you want to see that? It bothered them? And
Speaker 1: they tried to put out you know, and our station
Speaker 1: didn't see anything wrong with it. But even back then, uh,
Speaker 1: they you know, you'd face stuff I had. I know,
Speaker 1: I fund I raised a hundred thousand packs of cigarettes
Speaker 1: for the soldiers in Iraq, right and I did a
Speaker 1: remote from a restaurant called Jack's off of the Expressway
Speaker 1: on the north side of Chicago, and we had a
Speaker 1: dumpster set up and at the time, the the soldiers
Speaker 1: in Iraq weren't getting a lot of supplies and they
Speaker 1: were running short of cigarettes. So we had people drive by.
Speaker 1: We had a big sign drop cigarettes or carton's packs everything.
Speaker 1: The dumpster was loaded a hundred thousand packs of cigarettes
Speaker 1: sent to Iraq. You want to know, the American Cancer
Speaker 1: Society came after me, the American Cancer Society, because they
Speaker 1: said I was encouraging smoking of the soldiers. I go,
Speaker 1: these people might be dead tomorrow and it just that's
Speaker 1: the way it was, so I faced a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff back then. You just had to be willing to
Speaker 1: try things. And I think nowadays people aren't willing to
Speaker 1: try things. They really aren't. And I think that now
Speaker 1: it's just come to work. Do the best you can.
Speaker 1: Make sure you don't say something that might get you
Speaker 1: in trouble, even though it shouldn't get you in trouble.
Speaker 1: You've got to try to be your own filter. I
Speaker 1: always had a saying, if you're gonna think before you talk,
Speaker 1: you're in trouble. And I'm starting to see that with
Speaker 1: some people. They're thinking before they talk. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the way to be employed for a long period
Speaker 1: of tent but it's not a way to stand out
Speaker 1: and make a lot of money. Be sure to catch
Speaker 1: live editions of The Ben Miller Show week days at
Speaker 1: two a m. Eastern eleven p m. Pacific. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and and this is something that I've been
Speaker 1: dealing with here. People are right now, Mike, And I'm
Speaker 1: sure it was somewhat the same then, but it seems
Speaker 1: like it's it's been cranked up here. People are are
Speaker 1: triggered by everything like that was the most benign things,
Speaker 1: and oh, I'm offended by that. And then like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure this out. You've been around longer than me,
Speaker 1: But like, why are we supposed to bow down you?
Speaker 1: Just because you're offended by something does not make it wrong.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It seems like we've gone so far. The pendulum has
Speaker 1: swung so far in the other direction. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask you, the wise man of sports radio, a forefather, allegend,
Speaker 1: Mike North, how can we get back closer to what
Speaker 1: it used to be than what it is right now
Speaker 1: where we've we've gone too far the other direction. You
Speaker 1: gotta have bosses that are willing to fight for you.
Speaker 1: When I started it in radio, I had a guy
Speaker 1: named Danny Lee and another guy named Seth Mason. And
Speaker 1: these guys had our backs. And that's why we were successful.
Speaker 1: Through those two things I described to you, they had
Speaker 1: my back and and other things they had my back,
Speaker 1: they had the other guy's backs, and better hirings um
Speaker 1: start developing more talent from within. But the main thing
Speaker 1: is if you think that if you say something, you're
Speaker 1: not going to get backed up by your bosses, then
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a problem because it's always easy for
Speaker 1: the boss to say I didn't hear this or what
Speaker 1: happened here, and maybe you shouldn't have said this. I
Speaker 1: never used to hear that. You know, we were making money,
Speaker 1: we were kicking us in the ratings. I was ultly
Speaker 1: successful because I had bosses that said, this is working,
Speaker 1: people like it, and we're gonna stick with it. And
Speaker 1: we were not politically correct. But it's two thousand twenty
Speaker 1: now and I'm seeing stuff, believe me, guys, that I
Speaker 1: thought i'd never see in my lifetime. I mean, nonsense
Speaker 1: and people, you know, just just right now, between the rioting,
Speaker 1: the protesting and the COVID everybody seems to have lost
Speaker 1: their mind a little bit, and everybody's got to take
Speaker 1: a step back. Yeah, you were mentioning some of the
Speaker 1: some of the bits you guys did back in the day,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned Jesse Jackson. You're friends with Jesse, right,
Speaker 1: You became friends with him in over the years and
Speaker 1: guys have had a good relationship. What's that been, like,
Speaker 1: what's have you talking? I'll tell you what happened. He
Speaker 1: comes to the comes to the studio because because my
Speaker 1: program director rank Leason says to me, Jesse Jackson's coming.
Speaker 1: He wants to meet you. He wants to talk to
Speaker 1: you about this this situation. I said, Hella put him
Speaker 1: on the air him sit in with me. So they
Speaker 1: called him. He sat in with me for about an
Speaker 1: hour and uh afterwards we uh had a little lunch
Speaker 1: and uh, all of a sudden, we started talking. He
Speaker 1: went to Illinois. He was a quarterback at the University
Speaker 1: of Illinois, third stringer back in the day, and we
Speaker 1: started talking about football and he's a sports fan. And
Speaker 1: the next thing you know, I'm at meeting him at
Speaker 1: restaurant two weeks later for for dinner and we became
Speaker 1: sort of friends. And then I met his family and
Speaker 1: Stuffy and UH it was really crazy. And what's cool
Speaker 1: is about the or any Bank statue that's outside of
Speaker 1: Wrigley Field. Jesse Jackson calls me and he says, I
Speaker 1: think my that, Uh I want to get a statue
Speaker 1: for Banks And I said, yeah, okay, cool, I go.
Speaker 1: He goes. But I went to the Tribune board meeting
Speaker 1: who loved the team at the time, and they weren't
Speaker 1: paying any attention to it. So I need your help.
Speaker 1: I go, what do you need? He goes, well, you
Speaker 1: need to get me out. We need to promote it
Speaker 1: in any banks a statue And I said, okay, but
Speaker 1: if you if we get this statue built, you better
Speaker 1: give me credit. You better not screw me. I'll never
Speaker 1: do anything with you again. I swear to again. I'm
Speaker 1: talking to one of the prominent civil rights guys of
Speaker 1: our of our time. Like that, right, But that's how
Speaker 1: the kind of thing we had and what happened was
Speaker 1: we I got ahold of John McDonough who has done
Speaker 1: the cups pr guy and him Jesse myself. Uh, I
Speaker 1: had Jesse on the radio. It gained steam and the
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, Ernie got his statue. He gave
Speaker 1: me credit, Ernie did Jesse and it all worked out
Speaker 1: and there's a statue on the corner. So that's all.
Speaker 1: Good of friends we were. And I still am friends
Speaker 1: with the guy now, you know. So it was it
Speaker 1: was crazy. He goes, you know, when I first met him,
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta be honest with you. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not a family favorite. You know. I grew up
Speaker 1: on the North side of Chicago, a lot of Poles
Speaker 1: and Germans, it was mixed, the standings, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: He goes. I understand that, man, he goes, but a
Speaker 1: lot of it's missions blah blah blah blah. So that's it.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of friendship we have. Mike. How does
Speaker 1: this how does this year compared to the sixties? What's
Speaker 1: what's worse based on your experience? Oh, this is worse
Speaker 1: because you know what, I was a businessman for I
Speaker 1: had three hot dog stands um back in the seven
Speaker 1: l seventies, eighties, and early nineties, and I got mean,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine now having those three stands with everything
Speaker 1: closed up. But also there was nobody protecting their businesses.
Speaker 1: Everything was closed, nobody was on the street. And so
Speaker 1: between the COVID and then the rioting and then I mean,
Speaker 1: to be honest, to see two police stations burned down,
Speaker 1: I thought I'd never seen that in my lifetime. So
Speaker 1: I think there's two thousand twenties probably um overall for
Speaker 1: this country worse than than the sixties. And the sixties
Speaker 1: weren't a picnic. Sixt sixty nine was not a picnic.
Speaker 1: It was bad too, um, but but not not like this,
Speaker 1: Not like this. I think social media has played such
Speaker 1: a huge role in anything that's happening now. If you
Speaker 1: want to have a gathering and they can take minutes back,
Speaker 1: then you a word, you had to work if you
Speaker 1: were going to do some writing, or if you're gonna
Speaker 1: do some protesting, or if I remember when Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King came to down it was absolutely brutal. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was nothing but trouble. So uh, it was trouble
Speaker 1: back then. But this is like the combination of COVID
Speaker 1: people who forty million people losing their jobs and rioting.
Speaker 1: It's just been crazy. So you mentioned the social media aspect.
Speaker 1: Do you like the way that athletes today are using
Speaker 1: their social media platforms for social injustice activism, things of
Speaker 1: that nature outside of their scope as a professional athlete
Speaker 1: was football, baseball, basketball, or hockey? Well, I I do
Speaker 1: know what we all do a little of it. I
Speaker 1: do a little of it. But I was in politics
Speaker 1: for fifty years. I worked for the first Mayor Daily.
Speaker 1: I mean I worked for a legend. I was a
Speaker 1: precinct captain. I was a sixteen year old precinct captain.
Speaker 1: I worked for the City of Chicago. When I dropped
Speaker 1: out of high school, seventeen, the eighteen ninety until I
Speaker 1: got drafted into service. But yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's really getting old. And this is
Speaker 1: the truth. I don't know how you guys feel about
Speaker 1: the Kaepernick stuff. It's getting old. He's four years out
Speaker 1: of the league. I mean, are we gonna be seeing
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty eight? Kaepernick deserves a shot. I
Speaker 1: made you all bring back la Damian Thomas and bring
Speaker 1: back get a whole new bad field out there in
Speaker 1: lor Rangelo. But but you know, he seems the bad
Speaker 1: one there is getting old to me, and and people forget.
Speaker 1: I had nothing against him Neeland. I'm a veteran. I
Speaker 1: almost went to Vietnam, Nix and throws the orders. I
Speaker 1: didn't have a problem with him. Kneeland, I've been I've
Speaker 1: been seeing people sitting there in the national anthem. In
Speaker 1: the sixties, I used to go to the Bulls games
Speaker 1: and I see people sitting there in the national anthem.
Speaker 1: Didn't bother me, absolutely, but I understood that they knew
Speaker 1: they had to write. The thing I didn't like is
Speaker 1: when he had the pigs with the police on his sox.
Speaker 1: That's that's when he went over because I was a
Speaker 1: military policeman. I like law in the order. I'm not perfect.
Speaker 1: I'd not say I've been arrested in my time. The
Speaker 1: cops didn't treat me like a little either. I mean
Speaker 1: they treated me, you know, you know, pretty rough, and
Speaker 1: you know what, that's the way it goes. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the one thing I didn't like it. I think
Speaker 1: the Kaepernick thing is getting old because any other quarterback
Speaker 1: that was four years out of the league that said
Speaker 1: I want to come back, people with snear it. Well
Speaker 1: and Doc, it's not you know, we were talking about Kaefrinck.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of I'm worn out talking about Kaepernick. It's
Speaker 1: come back during the well he had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: People aren't even bringing this up. Oh and then Goodell
Speaker 1: says he's got to you know, anybody want to sign him?
Speaker 1: And and basically all I'm saying is, didn't we go
Speaker 1: through this last year? Didn't he have a trial and
Speaker 1: then he moved it? And it seems like everybody's leaving
Speaker 1: their tired out. And I had a guy that's very
Speaker 1: passionate about Kaepernick. He's a restaurant owner. Uh, and he
Speaker 1: says to me, Uh, you know, Kaepernick, I thinks getting
Speaker 1: the law deal. I said, why, I said, I said
Speaker 1: the guy basically, you know, it is entitled to his opinion,
Speaker 1: but it was in the workplace it hurts the league.
Speaker 1: You think it hurts the league that much? I go,
Speaker 1: yell the radies, we're done and stuff like that. He said,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I go, well, why don't you hire
Speaker 1: messure major d And his mouth is still open. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's easy to talk. But but here's what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Your bring if they do the deal and stuff again,
Speaker 1: which like I said, I don't have a problem with
Speaker 1: I know millions of people do. But if they bring
Speaker 1: that up again, they're gonna have the same issues. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem, and it just seems like we're
Speaker 1: gonna be living this whole thing all over again. Be
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Speaker 1: week days at two a m. Eastern eleven p m. Pacific. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you bring up that's a great point, Mike, because
Speaker 1: I've been saying the same thing in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night here that there's a lot of the media,
Speaker 1: the the you know, the left wing media. It seemed
Speaker 1: to think that it's gonna be different now that people
Speaker 1: have changed and they're okay and they're not gonna be
Speaker 1: upset when the entire Houston Texans team takes a knee
Speaker 1: prior to a game with the Tennessee Titans. You know what,
Speaker 1: I believe it's still it's still split. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's fifty fifty or it's all sixty, but it's
Speaker 1: it's not. It's gonna be brutal. They got Kyler Murray saying,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kneel. You know, you're just getting started and
Speaker 1: you want to put that type of feet on you.
Speaker 1: Did they forget what happened the last time? I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't pretty. I mean there was split front teams
Speaker 1: that we don't even know about. I was at the
Speaker 1: game with the Steelers where we're the one guy the
Speaker 1: lineman ran out. He says, I'm a ranger. I'm a
Speaker 1: I was, I'm a veteran. So I mean, why do
Speaker 1: they want to dredge all this up again? And why
Speaker 1: do they under any other circumstances. Name me another quarterback
Speaker 1: that would be out four years who really started out
Speaker 1: good in his career and made it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: sports media is missing telling the background story about Kaepernick
Speaker 1: and bringing up I mean, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys have talked about it. He had an opportunity last
Speaker 1: year and he used everybody. Yeah, and I just don't
Speaker 1: understand why that's being left out. It's like nobody's given
Speaker 1: him a chance in four years. That's a bunch of ps.
Speaker 1: Well and no, not only that, Mike, just to follow
Speaker 1: up on the Kaepernet thing, I mean, when he started protesting,
Speaker 1: he sat on the bench, he was sulking because Blaine
Speaker 1: Gabbard had beat him out, and that part that probably
Speaker 1: the story. That part of the story does not get told.
Speaker 1: They don't tell that part of the story because that's
Speaker 1: not sexy. People don't like to hear it. But at
Speaker 1: this point, what I have learned here, Mike, is that
Speaker 1: Kaepernick is no longer a football player. He's a demigod,
Speaker 1: he's a similar He's no, it's not about football, and
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen if Kaepernick got a job, and it
Speaker 1: would be good for guys like us who talked about boards,
Speaker 1: because it would be crazy to talk about not that
Speaker 1: I said he should. But if he got a job,
Speaker 1: can you imagine if the coach didn't talk to him
Speaker 1: the right way or he you know, he had he
Speaker 1: had a bad practice and he went on Twitter and
Speaker 1: said something the kind of hell that that team is
Speaker 1: gonna have because of the power that Kaepernick now hasn't
Speaker 1: to be insane if that would have happened, I I
Speaker 1: just think, you know, and Anthony Lynn, I mean, the
Speaker 1: coach of the Charger said, you know where he should
Speaker 1: be taking. People should take a look at him. Will
Speaker 1: you been for the last Cup? Why aren't you pick
Speaker 1: him up last year? Well, well we'll wait a minute.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, now Kaepernick's a story again. I
Speaker 1: just don't get it. I think if you're people that
Speaker 1: are thrown to kaeper Nick game in, I mean especially
Speaker 1: sports people, I mean, how can you call yourself on
Speaker 1: air guys or writers when you know the game of football,
Speaker 1: if you're away from it for more than two years
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you ain't worth a damn. I mean,
Speaker 1: do we really think if he came back tomorrow that
Speaker 1: he's gonna be any good? I don't know. Maybe he
Speaker 1: will be, but I saw a guy that was diminishing
Speaker 1: by the time he left the National Football League and
Speaker 1: he's still he's still the stain on the shirt guys
Speaker 1: that even Tide can't get out. He shows up in
Speaker 1: the National Football League half of the I'm serious half
Speaker 1: of the populous way. That's the that's you make your bed,
Speaker 1: you lie in it. That's just the way it is. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And Mike, speaking of football, you're you're Mr Chicago Right,
Speaker 1: We've got to talk about the Bears a little bit there,
Speaker 1: Mitch Trobiskie. Is is he dead man walking at quarterback
Speaker 1: for the Bears, Mike, because he uh, it certainly seems
Speaker 1: like it from the outside that he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: around if he plays like crap again this year. Is
Speaker 1: is that reality that you here around Chicago? Well, the
Speaker 1: reality is every sportswriter or every you know, first of all,
Speaker 1: the Bear media is a Chicago's and you know, most
Speaker 1: of the media in Chicago is and most of the
Speaker 1: media right now is on the Falls bandwagon, which makes
Speaker 1: me comfortable because they were all on the Coupler bandwagon
Speaker 1: for eight years and I didn't want him from day one.
Speaker 1: I do know this about the most of our media people.
Speaker 1: They couldn't pick the quarterback if they had to. So
Speaker 1: they're on the bandwagon of a quarterback whose last game
Speaker 1: he had three interceptions through for ninety seven yards and
Speaker 1: was benched for the second time, the first time for injury.
Speaker 1: But then miss you started rolling. He could have come
Speaker 1: back a little earlier, but then he did come back.
Speaker 1: He was bent in the mean time. And Denny, this
Speaker 1: will be good for your rovernight stuff. This is exclusive,
Speaker 1: well not really. I saw it on Twitter, but that's
Speaker 1: beside the band um. He Trabiski's working out with cold
Speaker 1: commeet the tight end, the new tight end, Allen Robinson,
Speaker 1: David Monk, all the skill position players, they're all working
Speaker 1: out together. Foals isn't working out. So let me ask
Speaker 1: you guys. See, I think it's Rabisky's job to lose,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you'll lose it. And I think
Speaker 1: he's still got the two guys that drafted a Ryan
Speaker 1: Pace and Naggie, But they brought in Foals because if
Speaker 1: he does struggle like he did last year, they will
Speaker 1: bring in the relief pitcher. That's my way of thinking.
Speaker 1: I think it's Trabiski's job, while most of the media
Speaker 1: maybe se think it's gonna be false job, and by
Speaker 1: the way they go and ball fans are so funny.
Speaker 1: Although pay and Folls twenty million dollars for two years,
Speaker 1: that's chicken feed, that's chicken feed, that's nothing. That's back
Speaker 1: up money. So I think he's gonna back up. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call Drabinsky starts the first game unless there's an injury.
Speaker 1: Do you think Naggy survives this season though? I think
Speaker 1: that's the one question I have because when you're stuck
Speaker 1: with two quarterbacks that neither a caliber, do you think
Speaker 1: he survives the year or do you think they're quick
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger on him. Well, we gotta see
Speaker 1: what happens. But I think Trabisky is gonna have a
Speaker 1: good year. I think what they got to do though,
Speaker 1: I mean, they traded Jordan Howard for no reason. They
Speaker 1: got a running back named David Montgomery who was not
Speaker 1: that good. Uh, their offensive line is suspect. I mean
Speaker 1: last year was not just the Bisky s Flaut each
Speaker 1: seemed to be the scapegoat. I thought the play calling
Speaker 1: by Naggie was not good. I thought he had a
Speaker 1: subtire year, But the year before they made the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So I think Trebiski has been working out of summer.
Speaker 1: He's been working out in the northern suburbs out here
Speaker 1: in Buffalo growth. And uh, I think they're gonna have
Speaker 1: a decent year. The over unders eight and a half.
Speaker 1: I hear a lot of people like the under So
Speaker 1: you know, their defense. They picked up Robert Quinn, which
Speaker 1: is huge because now it's gonna be tougher to just
Speaker 1: concentrate on Khalil Matt. It was a huge pick up.
Speaker 1: They bolstered the defense a little bit, so we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. They were the ninth ranked defense last year.
Speaker 1: But the thing that was trouble about the defense was
Speaker 1: they'd give up like sixty seventy yard drives in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and uh, you know that that ended up
Speaker 1: losing them a couple of football games. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Mike in the standpoint, if the Bears
Speaker 1: really wanted to replace Trabisky, they would have gotten somebody
Speaker 1: better than Nick Foles. I. Nick Foles sucks. I I
Speaker 1: agree with you had that one out of body experience
Speaker 1: with the Eagles in the playoffs. But the body of
Speaker 1: work outside of Philadelphia Foles has been been pretty That's
Speaker 1: a great point, Benny. He's never played a full season,
Speaker 1: Number one, number two. Philadelphia was built for him, huge
Speaker 1: offensive line, decent skill position players. But with the Bears,
Speaker 1: it's a whole different story. You better have foot speed,
Speaker 1: which Trabisky has. I want Trabisky to take more chances
Speaker 1: this year, run a little bit more, but with you
Speaker 1: don't have foot speed. To me, Nick Foles is a
Speaker 1: great relief picture. He's never played a full season. He
Speaker 1: and here's another thing we got to get off the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia thing. He has been an unmitigated disaster, one of
Speaker 1: the worst free agents in history. Four years eighty eight
Speaker 1: million at Jacksonville blew up in their face. I wonder, now,
Speaker 1: were you in your heyday and when you were dominating
Speaker 1: the airwaves of Chicago? Sammy Sosa? Sammy Sosa was dominating
Speaker 1: for the Cubs, and now there's this controverse. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've seen it the last couple of years, but really
Speaker 1: it flared up the last couple of weeks with the
Speaker 1: documentary Should the Cubs allow Sammy Sosa back? What's the
Speaker 1: real story there, Mike, What's really going on between Sosa
Speaker 1: and the Cubs. What are you hearing well? The Cubs.
Speaker 1: Let Salsa run the show. I mean when he was there,
Speaker 1: I lived this, and I was at the ballpark plenty,
Speaker 1: But uh, he got nose to nose with carry wood.
Speaker 1: Carry Wood smashed his boom box. He'd play his music loud,
Speaker 1: Him and Joe Girardi. When added Sammy Solsa went from
Speaker 1: a hundred seventy pound guy that I knew what the
Speaker 1: clubs back in two to a guy I didn't even
Speaker 1: recognize at the end, a guy nobody ever got more
Speaker 1: out of steroids outside of Lance Armstrong than Sammy Salsa.
Speaker 1: Nobody Bonds was already an All Star even before he
Speaker 1: did it. Clemens was an All Star even before he
Speaker 1: did Sammy Salsa before Ken homers fifteen homers, eight homers,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he got bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1: And don't forget he had the court bad incident where
Speaker 1: the super Boss flew up. He had actual friends dressed
Speaker 1: up in cub uniforms and shag fly balls before games
Speaker 1: in batty practice. So he was a mess. The team
Speaker 1: was a mess. I know that people want to bring
Speaker 1: him back. I don't like the fact that they. I
Speaker 1: don't understand the glorifying of meeters in baseball, and McGuire
Speaker 1: is Solsa to me didn't bring back good memories. I
Speaker 1: knew it was a joke when it was happening. Soa
Speaker 1: it sits the home one three times, somebody said, well yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, I go, wait, the numbers are indicting.
Speaker 1: That's when indicted Sammy. He had no business hitting forty
Speaker 1: homers in his career, but he got I've never seen
Speaker 1: a guy get beefed up like him ever, and I
Speaker 1: mean it, Mike. The only other guy that comes to
Speaker 1: my mind, and you mentioned or how he was prior
Speaker 1: to being on the juice is probably David Ortiz, right.
Speaker 1: I mean he was in Minnesota, he had a lowly average,
Speaker 1: didn't hit for power, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he makes his way to Boston and the guy can't
Speaker 1: be struck out. Well, you know what he didn't But
Speaker 1: you know what he didn't do date he didn't break records.
Speaker 1: He helped them win Tennant's World Series. And regardless of
Speaker 1: what we think he did, the bottom line is the
Speaker 1: guys that are facing the brunt Our bonds because he
Speaker 1: broke Aaron's record, Sosa because well, really they made a
Speaker 1: mockery of the numbers. And uh, I remember Clemments. I
Speaker 1: I said, back in the day, I think pictures were
Speaker 1: doing it. They go, well, why do you think pictures
Speaker 1: are doing I go, well, if if if I hither
Speaker 1: can hit farther, why can't a picture throw harder? And
Speaker 1: I remember interviewing interviewing Ron Schuler, who was the GM
Speaker 1: of the White Sox, and I had asked him, why
Speaker 1: didn't you guys go after Clemmens. You let him go
Speaker 1: to Toronto. He goes, well, he's damaged goods until we
Speaker 1: found out later that he's doing what he was doing.
Speaker 1: And then he didn't become damage Goods anymore than he
Speaker 1: had a whole new second career. Yeah, he goes to
Speaker 1: people forget this. I mean he was he was basically
Speaker 1: done with baseball. He had no zip on a fastball
Speaker 1: and his sinker, and then all of a sudden, he
Speaker 1: goes to Toronto and goes back to back on Cy
Speaker 1: Young's and that was that was a problem. And then
Speaker 1: he goes to Houston. This is the best. And I
Speaker 1: knew a guy on the club's ground crew and he says,
Speaker 1: you know this, Clemments, Mike, he's got this cream that
Speaker 1: he keeps rubbing on his arm in between the He's like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. Well, the ground crew guys
Speaker 1: used to go in the dugout, especially during rain delays,
Speaker 1: and you know they'd sit there with some of the players,
Speaker 1: and the players would be in the clubhouse, but Clemmens
Speaker 1: would rub this white, creamy substance on his arm after
Speaker 1: every inning. And the outside of it was a white too,
Speaker 1: but it was the tape they had tape over whatever
Speaker 1: the printing was on it. Well, I just put two
Speaker 1: and two together. He was putting creatina and or doing
Speaker 1: something like that, and and and then lo and behold.
Speaker 1: Years later we see him testifying before Congress, him and
Speaker 1: Paal Meryl wagging their fingers. I guess the one thing, though,
Speaker 1: Mike is a is you talking about the players that
Speaker 1: should be getting into the Hall of Fame. But you
Speaker 1: look at bud Sea Lee, and you look at the owners.
Speaker 1: They're the biggest They're the biggest implication with all this,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to say they condone it, but
Speaker 1: they did turn an eye to it, and they ripped
Speaker 1: the rewards of it. The gates sales were up, the
Speaker 1: marketing was don't know what we were supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, I didn't know what they
Speaker 1: were supposed to do. They didn't have testing in place.
Speaker 1: They were all disorganized this and came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: I will say, I thought Seela tried to do stuff,
Speaker 1: but the media did too. You saw that they treated
Speaker 1: these two guys like they were doing this legitimate on
Speaker 1: on on on the documentary, everybody turned the blind eye.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just see like it just it wasn't just
Speaker 1: the owners, it was it was the media, it was
Speaker 1: it was the ownership, it was the players, it was everybody.
Speaker 1: And then when you hear Sammy Salsa say, well everybody
Speaker 1: was doing it back then, well that's not too good
Speaker 1: to hear. It really isn't. And and then when you
Speaker 1: see that, you know a guy like Frank Thomas, I mean,
Speaker 1: my my favorite thing is Frank Thomas. Where's the guy?
Speaker 1: He never did it and there's no reason to believe
Speaker 1: he did. And think Giobby got the m v P
Speaker 1: that your Frank should have got up in Giobbi, I mean,
Speaker 1: Giobby was. I'll never forget. It was like forty degrees
Speaker 1: at at at White Sox Park and Giommy was so
Speaker 1: riddled with steroids. He was sweating like it was ninety degrees,
Speaker 1: but he was at the play and it was just
Speaker 1: he was so big. So all these guys just turned
Speaker 1: into different type of people, and that just, uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's screwed up baseball. The records are really I mean,
Speaker 1: I still used the old records. I still followed Maris's record,
Speaker 1: I still follow Errands. I don't regard the bonds as
Speaker 1: record or soulsice, I really don't. Fox Sports Radio has
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Speaker 1: to listen live. What happens when you have people that
Speaker 1: make the argument, Hey, back in the day, these guys
Speaker 1: were taking greenies and they're taking other supplements that people
Speaker 1: may not be taken these days, but they were taking
Speaker 1: them back in the day and then in abolished by
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. So where's the stance on that for you.
Speaker 1: I don't think greedies makes you hit the ball thousands on.
Speaker 1: Pete Rose told me he took greedies all the time.
Speaker 1: They used to have him in the ball on the
Speaker 1: on the on the picnic table in the clubhouse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but and and it did. They would party all night.
Speaker 1: They would be dragging, especially for day games. I mean,
Speaker 1: you come into Chicago and you're playing all day games
Speaker 1: after you, you know, just played the three night games
Speaker 1: at St. Louis and now you're party in at night
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and you used to take the greenies to me.
Speaker 1: You know, the steroid thing is the thing that really
Speaker 1: has dragged the game. I never heard anybody say this
Speaker 1: game sucks because the players around greedies. I guess the
Speaker 1: pushback though, for me would be this is that greenies
Speaker 1: are one thing, but that helps out with with where
Speaker 1: you're at in terms of alertness and recovery. And that's
Speaker 1: what Andy Pettitt had mentioned when he got popped because
Speaker 1: he was using h g H. You don't take the
Speaker 1: h g H to get bigger and stronger and faster,
Speaker 1: but you take it to recover. And as you know,
Speaker 1: availability is a lot of times better than just you know,
Speaker 1: ability alone. And so when you're able to play nine
Speaker 1: percent of the time or percent of the time as
Speaker 1: opposed to having to take you know, once every four
Speaker 1: days off because you're laboring, you're lingered you're you're hurt
Speaker 1: and you're banged up. I think that does a lot.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about guys that come rolling on in
Speaker 1: because of a bad hangover or the flu or whatever
Speaker 1: it maybe, and you're popping something anything that gets you
Speaker 1: back in the diamond, you're gonna be. You're drinking coffee,
Speaker 1: Cossie's got. I mean, I drink four Starbucks a day.
Speaker 1: I feel like could get again. After my fourth one,
Speaker 1: I want to go run around the block. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: there are artificial stimulants you are going to take, but
Speaker 1: when you're knowing the injecting stuff in you that you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I looked at those home those guys, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know. I mean, they weren't even
Speaker 1: swinging hard. Mccryon wasn't even swinging hard the balls going
Speaker 1: out on the street. Solsa too, I mean, and I
Speaker 1: will say this it the Sammy Sulsa had one of
Speaker 1: the greatest motors. I never saw a guy play harder.
Speaker 1: But why was he able to play harder? Why was
Speaker 1: he able to maybe do things other guys couldn't do
Speaker 1: because he had an advantage It's sort of like if
Speaker 1: you play seven cards, stud you give me ten cards
Speaker 1: and you only get to have seven and I beat
Speaker 1: you every time. Am I going to the card playing
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame? No? I cheated, But but that did.
Speaker 1: That's basically what I equated to. I just think that
Speaker 1: it was wrong. They have an edge, and I don't
Speaker 1: know how many players did it, but to hear Sammy
Speaker 1: Sulsa say everybody was doing it at the time was
Speaker 1: not a good look. Well, and I remember Mike with
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, Mike Piazzo. I go out and watch batting
Speaker 1: practice and he would hit balls out of Dodger state
Speaker 1: him over the pavilion during batting PROCs right regularly. And
Speaker 1: but that brings up an interesting thing here, because if
Speaker 1: you look at the Hall of Fame, and I was
Speaker 1: just like you, Mike, I was like, these guys, ban
Speaker 1: them all. Nobody should get in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: not you know, Bonds McGuire, so so Clem as any
Speaker 1: of these guys. But they've already let guys in like
Speaker 1: Jeff Bagwell, Mike Piazza, Ped Rodriguez, who many believed did
Speaker 1: steroids and were productive because in large part of steroids.
Speaker 1: So how do you decide, I mean, this is my argument.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna let those guys in, then you have
Speaker 1: to let the other guys in. How do you how
Speaker 1: do you decide who gets in who doesn't get in
Speaker 1: when you already let some steroid users in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. Well, first of all, those those guys once again, Danny,
Speaker 1: and I know what you're saying. They didn't really break
Speaker 1: any records, but I know they we feel they did
Speaker 1: performance enhancers. I mean, I saw Pudge Rodriguez lose thirty
Speaker 1: five pounds over the winter get out. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you see these guys now, I still five bears walking around.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kurt Becker was a two somebody found Lineman
Speaker 1: now he's one eighty yet all uh, they've even told
Speaker 1: me they did the steroids. Uh, but but I think
Speaker 1: it was the records. It's crazy. If Bonds hit six,
Speaker 1: look at a Rod. A Rod's got six hundred and
Speaker 1: nine homers, right or something like that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: and and I don't know if he's ever going to
Speaker 1: get and I don't think he will because of the
Speaker 1: suspension and everything else. I know that people will campaign
Speaker 1: hard for him. And uh, you know, we could talk
Speaker 1: another day about him being allowed on the baseball team.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean, it just seems like the guys
Speaker 1: that aren't doing don't do the right things get rewarded.
Speaker 1: But I don't. I think it was the breaking of
Speaker 1: the records guys, And I think it was the ridiculousness
Speaker 1: of Soulsa's numbers and bonds break and Aaron's record and
Speaker 1: the arrogance at the congressional hearings with McGuire. Um. I
Speaker 1: I just think that you're right. There is probably a
Speaker 1: two tier system where some guys snuck in and Piazza
Speaker 1: might be one of them. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Then he was. I used to hang with Tommy Withsorder
Speaker 1: when he was in Chicago, and they picked him. I
Speaker 1: don't know, at the bottom of the barrel. Nobody gave
Speaker 1: him a chance and Tommy was his godfather, and the
Speaker 1: next thing you know, he was in All Star Games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy. Hey, I heard a rumor about you.
Speaker 1: I want you to confirm it, and I I don't
Speaker 1: know how much you can say or not, but I
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Speaker 1: that there's some kind of movie project about you. Is
Speaker 1: that is that accurate? That just really there was a
Speaker 1: movie project that called raginge Mouth. But to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, because of his COVID everything's been shut down.
Speaker 1: We were on a roll and I wanted to get
Speaker 1: We were in pre production at the time, and it's
Speaker 1: called Ragie Mouth, and uh, we're currently doing some rewriting
Speaker 1: of the script. You know, movies don't happen in a
Speaker 1: year or two. Uh, but we were on schedule. I
Speaker 1: just got the script back from Adam Rifkin, who's the director,
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Morrison, who's a screenwriter. I looked at it.
Speaker 1: We're making some changes, but yeah, that's in the works.
Speaker 1: When it's gonna happen now, I have no idea. I
Speaker 1: really don't because this whole COVID thing has closed everything down.
Speaker 1: But that is what that rumor is correct. So who's
Speaker 1: gonna play you? That's awesome, your life story is gonna
Speaker 1: be Who's gonna play in the movie? Who do you
Speaker 1: want to play? As well? I have a guy in
Speaker 1: mind if it's if it's a movie where it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be there's there's big budget guys that I want,
Speaker 1: and there's small budget. Ike Baron Holts, who uh is
Speaker 1: a great actor. He's from Chicago and he was a
Speaker 1: listener of mine. Uh. He was in Snatch with Goldie Horn.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have seen it, and
Speaker 1: Namy schumer Um, but he was in that as he
Speaker 1: played the son. And Uh. Also my my wish list
Speaker 1: is justin Timberlake to play me in a big budget,
Speaker 1: will be with his wife to play my wife, Phoebe
Speaker 1: Jessica Bill. But uh, we have a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the pot that we're stirring around, and the first
Speaker 1: thing we gotta do is to have a good script.
Speaker 1: And once you get the script, then you start chopping
Speaker 1: it around and then the actors start coming. Well that's great, doc,
Speaker 1: Doc Mike, let me let me tell you something. You
Speaker 1: You've got to when you have the red carpet, When
Speaker 1: you have the red carpet event there, I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to see that. I want to I want
Speaker 1: to see the spectacle when that becomes reality. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be awesome if it happens. Man, believe me, you're gonna
Speaker 1: bring it down. Maybe we're having at grounds. Hell, guys,
Speaker 1: good walk down the Street Perfect. You know, Ben, do
Speaker 1: you think it'd be fair for me to ask Mike
Speaker 1: to be a part of this project since he defecated
Speaker 1: on my last name and it's been it's it's just
Speaker 1: I love that first of all sprise where I love
Speaker 1: that's just one of my favorite's. Just absolutely Mike, Mike,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. I forgot you can't you know
Speaker 1: what it was all in it here here. I never
Speaker 1: want to put your anybody's name. But we had never
Speaker 1: worked together. I don't know if it worked together before
Speaker 1: I go loose doing the updates. I think David Gaga
Speaker 1: doing the I think that's how I did it at
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, Mike, I because I was working on
Speaker 1: the show with Ben that night, and then after I
Speaker 1: stepped in with you guys with you Andy and then Jonas,
Speaker 1: and there's a Starbucks down the streets. I was driving
Speaker 1: some Starbucks after the shift was over, and typically when
Speaker 1: you leave, there's about a delay on I Heart radio
Speaker 1: from anywhere from about three or four minutes out. And
Speaker 1: so I get in my car and at Starbucks and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, like you guys are saying
Speaker 1: thing like you're one of the rare shows that actually
Speaker 1: like thanks the entire staff. You're identifying people, we say,
Speaker 1: I used to thank everybody, right, So you were thinking
Speaker 1: the board, ob, you're thinking Jonas, And then you got
Speaker 1: to me and I was like, what the funk was that?
Speaker 1: I texted? I texted Jonas, Hey, listen, we want to
Speaker 1: thank Bobby Cara, we want to thank Jonas. Knock did
Speaker 1: a great, great job, bandy, you have a great time
Speaker 1: out there. Also updates David Gagan. I mean you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one of the famous cuts. It's still played I
Speaker 1: think on a regular basis on Ben show, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's played on every show. I think it the only
Speaker 1: shows not played on He's likes not played on it. Like, damn, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was defication of the last name. I
Speaker 1: am injecting myself choice David. It was a good day
Speaker 1: for you. It could attention, didn't it didn't. Did you
Speaker 1: planned that with them? Did David put you up to them?
Speaker 1: I go, no, I got his name wrong, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I got I got no residual payout from that. It
Speaker 1: was just it's just it just it just it's just
Speaker 1: a point of ridicule and and and funniness. Now, which
Speaker 1: is fun. I mean, you know, hey, look are you
Speaker 1: guys having any fun right now? Because every time I
Speaker 1: was on the year, I had a great time. But
Speaker 1: I can't believe this last I know that the last
Speaker 1: one hundred days even I mean, I'm serious, it would
Speaker 1: have been brutal. I remember I was on after nine
Speaker 1: eleven and it was brutal. So anytime something like that happens,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it's tough. So you know,
Speaker 1: you guys, hey, I give credit to everybody. Everybody is
Speaker 1: stepped up well, and I give Mike, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1: I guess we gotta put the baby to bed here,
Speaker 1: but you've given us some more. David Gagon drops here,
Speaker 1: so thank you for that. We will add that what
Speaker 1: I said, gag on right. But I know, and you
Speaker 1: know what, it became one of the most I think
Speaker 1: it's one of the most played cuts in Fox Radio history.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Mike. I'm sorry, Dave Will I never forgot
Speaker 1: your name again. I will. I'll accept your apology once
Speaker 1: once they start working on a new project, I'll make
Speaker 1: that's that's your make good assignment for the for the year.
Speaker 1: That is when I don't know. I I gotta live though,
Speaker 1: we can't. We can't make up a gag on I understand,
Speaker 1: how were you actually hot when? Right? And that's that's
Speaker 1: a surname. That that that that is not that is
Speaker 1: not spitting on someone's face. Might that is like you
Speaker 1: on the South side of Chicago dropping your pants and
Speaker 1: just taking a huge dump on me, like that is
Speaker 1: exactly what you now, I'm I always thought you'd sort
Speaker 1: of ripe it, but it's following you around like right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I see, Look, I mean you mentioned it, and
Speaker 1: I think the one the one area that we have,
Speaker 1: like working with Ben and work with Jonas and working
Speaker 1: one of the guys, is that we have a not
Speaker 1: so serious space that we can operate in or other places.
Speaker 1: God forbid, if you did anything like that, I'd be
Speaker 1: raising my ass up to the hr right, like that's
Speaker 1: the This is the type of climate we're in nowadays,
Speaker 1: where something like that happened, people would get easily offended.
Speaker 1: And I think working with the guys we work with,
Speaker 1: we won't take a lot of these things seriously. We
Speaker 1: take our job series you know, you can't. I don't
Speaker 1: not that I know what bothers you that you know
Speaker 1: that Boby to keep more than nice thoughts. I mean
Speaker 1: sort of like feel bad that sort of rented a
Speaker 1: condo in your head above your right here. Well, you
Speaker 1: know who are a certain amount you know who that's
Speaker 1: not gonna worry that the Bend is not gonna worry
Speaker 1: about it. If a no, you know it was the guy.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the instigator that Joan is not. He's
Speaker 1: an instigator, damn little rascals an instigator. So you guys
Speaker 1: are all doing good man, that's all. That's all that counts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're alive and well. And Mike again, for those that
Speaker 1: missed it, I don't know how you missed the beginning
Speaker 1: of this, but you're on the radio every Friday in Chicago,
Speaker 1: and you can hear every Friday night in Chicago for
Speaker 1: an hour from seven to eight, we do a wagering
Speaker 1: show called the Odds Couple of Comment to Falco and
Speaker 1: then to replace eight o'clock on a M one thousand ESPN.
Speaker 1: On Saterday morning, I do a podcast on Paris Bar
Speaker 1: Room and that's it. I just chilled, man, I chilled
Speaker 1: place some golf hang out, you know. I see you
Speaker 1: guys on Twitter every so often, and you know, just
Speaker 1: hang out a little bit with the peeps. And that's
Speaker 1: off and north to north to north on Twitter, that's
Speaker 1: the number two, right you can you can follow absolutely
Speaker 1: had a number two and O R T. H. And
Speaker 1: I like engaging with the folks because those are the
Speaker 1: main people. The folks all go nowadays. Jeez, you're afraid,
Speaker 1: you know, I just say, hi, how is everybody? I'm
Speaker 1: afraid I'm gonna get you all day, so forget about it.
Speaker 1: You know that's crazy, man, You go on Twitter going
Speaker 1: how's everybody? They go? What do you mean by that? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Mike. We love you, man, be good. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you guys, Thank you both very much. I love
Speaker 1: you both. Thanks days. Thanks man. Thanks Mike.