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Speaker 1: that nature outside of their scope as a professional athlete

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Speaker 1: was football, baseball, basketball, or hockey? Well, I I do

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Speaker 1: know what we all do a little of it. I

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Speaker 1: do a little of it. But I was in politics

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Speaker 1: for fifty years. I worked for the first Mayor Daily.

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Speaker 1: I mean I worked for a legend. I was a

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Speaker 1: precinct captain. I was a sixteen year old precinct captain.

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Speaker 1: I worked for the City of Chicago. When I dropped

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Speaker 1: out of high school, seventeen, the eighteen ninety until I

436
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Speaker 1: got drafted into service. But yeah, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's really getting old. And this is

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Speaker 1: the truth. I don't know how you guys feel about

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Speaker 1: the Kaepernick stuff. It's getting old. He's four years out

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Speaker 1: of the league. I mean, are we gonna be seeing

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Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty eight? Kaepernick deserves a shot. I

442
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Speaker 1: made you all bring back la Damian Thomas and bring

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Speaker 1: back get a whole new bad field out there in

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Speaker 1: lor Rangelo. But but you know, he seems the bad

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Speaker 1: one there is getting old to me, and and people forget.

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Speaker 1: I had nothing against him Neeland. I'm a veteran. I

447
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Speaker 1: almost went to Vietnam, Nix and throws the orders. I

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Speaker 1: didn't have a problem with him. Kneeland, I've been I've

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Speaker 1: been seeing people sitting there in the national anthem. In

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Speaker 1: the sixties, I used to go to the Bulls games

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Speaker 1: and I see people sitting there in the national anthem.

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Speaker 1: Didn't bother me, absolutely, but I understood that they knew

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Speaker 1: they had to write. The thing I didn't like is

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Speaker 1: when he had the pigs with the police on his sox.

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Speaker 1: That's that's when he went over because I was a

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Speaker 1: military policeman. I like law in the order. I'm not perfect.

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Speaker 1: I'd not say I've been arrested in my time. The

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Speaker 1: cops didn't treat me like a little either. I mean

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Speaker 1: they treated me, you know, you know, pretty rough, and

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Speaker 1: you know what, that's the way it goes. But uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the one thing I didn't like it. I think

462
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Speaker 1: the Kaepernick thing is getting old because any other quarterback

463
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Speaker 1: that was four years out of the league that said

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Speaker 1: I want to come back, people with snear it. Well

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Speaker 1: and Doc, it's not you know, we were talking about Kaefrinck.

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Speaker 1: I'm tired of I'm worn out talking about Kaepernick. It's

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Speaker 1: come back during the well he had an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: People aren't even bringing this up. Oh and then Goodell

469
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Speaker 1: says he's got to you know, anybody want to sign him?

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Speaker 1: And and basically all I'm saying is, didn't we go

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Speaker 1: through this last year? Didn't he have a trial and

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Speaker 1: then he moved it? And it seems like everybody's leaving

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Speaker 1: their tired out. And I had a guy that's very

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Speaker 1: passionate about Kaepernick. He's a restaurant owner. Uh, and he

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Speaker 1: says to me, Uh, you know, Kaepernick, I thinks getting

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Speaker 1: the law deal. I said, why, I said, I said

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Speaker 1: the guy basically, you know, it is entitled to his opinion,

478
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Speaker 1: but it was in the workplace it hurts the league.

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Speaker 1: You think it hurts the league that much? I go,

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Speaker 1: yell the radies, we're done and stuff like that. He said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I go, well, why don't you hire

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Speaker 1: messure major d And his mouth is still open. Okay,

483
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Speaker 1: so it's easy to talk. But but here's what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Your bring if they do the deal and stuff again,

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Speaker 1: which like I said, I don't have a problem with

486
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Speaker 1: I know millions of people do. But if they bring

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Speaker 1: that up again, they're gonna have the same issues. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a problem, and it just seems like we're

489
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Speaker 1: gonna be living this whole thing all over again. Be

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Speaker 1: sure to catch live editions of The Ben Meller Show

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Speaker 1: week days at two a m. Eastern eleven p m. Pacific. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you bring up that's a great point, Mike, because

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Speaker 1: I've been saying the same thing in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the night here that there's a lot of the media,

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Speaker 1: the the you know, the left wing media. It seemed

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Speaker 1: to think that it's gonna be different now that people

497
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Speaker 1: have changed and they're okay and they're not gonna be

498
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Speaker 1: upset when the entire Houston Texans team takes a knee

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Speaker 1: prior to a game with the Tennessee Titans. You know what,

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Speaker 1: I believe it's still it's still split. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's fifty fifty or it's all sixty, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's gonna be brutal. They got Kyler Murray saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna kneel. You know, you're just getting started and

504
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Speaker 1: you want to put that type of feet on you.

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Speaker 1: Did they forget what happened the last time? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't pretty. I mean there was split front teams

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Speaker 1: that we don't even know about. I was at the

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Speaker 1: game with the Steelers where we're the one guy the

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Speaker 1: lineman ran out. He says, I'm a ranger. I'm a

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Speaker 1: I was, I'm a veteran. So I mean, why do

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Speaker 1: they want to dredge all this up again? And why

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Speaker 1: do they under any other circumstances. Name me another quarterback

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Speaker 1: that would be out four years who really started out

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Speaker 1: good in his career and made it. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing I think a lot of the

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Speaker 1: sports media is missing telling the background story about Kaepernick

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Speaker 1: and bringing up I mean, I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: guys have talked about it. He had an opportunity last

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Speaker 1: year and he used everybody. Yeah, and I just don't

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Speaker 1: understand why that's being left out. It's like nobody's given

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Speaker 1: him a chance in four years. That's a bunch of ps.

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Speaker 1: Well and no, not only that, Mike, just to follow

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Speaker 1: up on the Kaepernet thing, I mean, when he started protesting,

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Speaker 1: he sat on the bench, he was sulking because Blaine

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Speaker 1: Gabbard had beat him out, and that part that probably

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Speaker 1: the story. That part of the story does not get told.

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Speaker 1: They don't tell that part of the story because that's

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Speaker 1: not sexy. People don't like to hear it. But at

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Speaker 1: this point, what I have learned here, Mike, is that

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Speaker 1: Kaepernick is no longer a football player. He's a demigod,

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Speaker 1: he's a similar He's no, it's not about football, and

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen if Kaepernick got a job, and it

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Speaker 1: would be good for guys like us who talked about boards,

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Speaker 1: because it would be crazy to talk about not that

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Speaker 1: I said he should. But if he got a job,

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Speaker 1: can you imagine if the coach didn't talk to him

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Speaker 1: the right way or he you know, he had he

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Speaker 1: had a bad practice and he went on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: said something the kind of hell that that team is

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Speaker 1: gonna have because of the power that Kaepernick now hasn't

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Speaker 1: to be insane if that would have happened, I I

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Speaker 1: just think, you know, and Anthony Lynn, I mean, the

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Speaker 1: coach of the Charger said, you know where he should

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Speaker 1: be taking. People should take a look at him. Will

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Speaker 1: you been for the last Cup? Why aren't you pick

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Speaker 1: him up last year? Well, well we'll wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, now Kaepernick's a story again. I

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Speaker 1: just don't get it. I think if you're people that

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Speaker 1: are thrown to kaeper Nick game in, I mean especially

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Speaker 1: sports people, I mean, how can you call yourself on

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Speaker 1: air guys or writers when you know the game of football,

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Speaker 1: if you're away from it for more than two years

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you ain't worth a damn. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do we really think if he came back tomorrow that

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be any good? I don't know. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: will be, but I saw a guy that was diminishing

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Speaker 1: by the time he left the National Football League and

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Speaker 1: he's still he's still the stain on the shirt guys

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Speaker 1: that even Tide can't get out. He shows up in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League half of the I'm serious half

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Speaker 1: of the populous way. That's the that's you make your bed,

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Speaker 1: you lie in it. That's just the way it is. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And Mike, speaking of football, you're you're Mr Chicago Right,

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Speaker 1: We've got to talk about the Bears a little bit there,

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Speaker 1: Mitch Trobiskie. Is is he dead man walking at quarterback

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Speaker 1: for the Bears, Mike, because he uh, it certainly seems

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Speaker 1: like it from the outside that he's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: around if he plays like crap again this year. Is

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Speaker 1: is that reality that you here around Chicago? Well, the

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Speaker 1: reality is every sportswriter or every you know, first of all,

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Speaker 1: the Bear media is a Chicago's and you know, most

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Speaker 1: of the media in Chicago is and most of the

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Speaker 1: media right now is on the Falls bandwagon, which makes

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Speaker 1: me comfortable because they were all on the Coupler bandwagon

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Speaker 1: for eight years and I didn't want him from day one.

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Speaker 1: I do know this about the most of our media people.

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00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: They couldn't pick the quarterback if they had to. So

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Speaker 1: they're on the bandwagon of a quarterback whose last game

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Speaker 1: he had three interceptions through for ninety seven yards and

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Speaker 1: was benched for the second time, the first time for injury.

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Speaker 1: But then miss you started rolling. He could have come

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Speaker 1: back a little earlier, but then he did come back.

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Speaker 1: He was bent in the mean time. And Denny, this

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Speaker 1: will be good for your rovernight stuff. This is exclusive,

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Speaker 1: well not really. I saw it on Twitter, but that's

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Speaker 1: beside the band um. He Trabiski's working out with cold

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Speaker 1: commeet the tight end, the new tight end, Allen Robinson,

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Speaker 1: David Monk, all the skill position players, they're all working

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Speaker 1: out together. Foals isn't working out. So let me ask

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Speaker 1: you guys. See, I think it's Rabisky's job to lose,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think you'll lose it. And I think

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Speaker 1: he's still got the two guys that drafted a Ryan

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Speaker 1: Pace and Naggie, But they brought in Foals because if

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Speaker 1: he does struggle like he did last year, they will

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Speaker 1: bring in the relief pitcher. That's my way of thinking.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Trabiski's job, while most of the media

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Speaker 1: maybe se think it's gonna be false job, and by

598
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: the way they go and ball fans are so funny.

599
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: Although pay and Folls twenty million dollars for two years,

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Speaker 1: that's chicken feed, that's chicken feed, that's nothing. That's back

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Speaker 1: up money. So I think he's gonna back up. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna call Drabinsky starts the first game unless there's an injury.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Naggy survives this season though? I think

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Speaker 1: that's the one question I have because when you're stuck

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Speaker 1: with two quarterbacks that neither a caliber, do you think

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Speaker 1: he survives the year or do you think they're quick

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Speaker 1: to pull the trigger on him. Well, we gotta see

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Speaker 1: what happens. But I think Trabisky is gonna have a

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Speaker 1: good year. I think what they got to do though,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they traded Jordan Howard for no reason. They

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Speaker 1: got a running back named David Montgomery who was not

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Speaker 1: that good. Uh, their offensive line is suspect. I mean

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Speaker 1: last year was not just the Bisky s Flaut each

614
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Speaker 1: seemed to be the scapegoat. I thought the play calling

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Speaker 1: by Naggie was not good. I thought he had a

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Speaker 1: subtire year, But the year before they made the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So I think Trebiski has been working out of summer.

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Speaker 1: He's been working out in the northern suburbs out here

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo growth. And uh, I think they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a decent year. The over unders eight and a half.

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Speaker 1: I hear a lot of people like the under So

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Speaker 1: you know, their defense. They picked up Robert Quinn, which

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Speaker 1: is huge because now it's gonna be tougher to just

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Speaker 1: concentrate on Khalil Matt. It was a huge pick up.

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Speaker 1: They bolstered the defense a little bit, so we'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens. They were the ninth ranked defense last year.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that was trouble about the defense was

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Speaker 1: they'd give up like sixty seventy yard drives in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and uh, you know that that ended up

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Speaker 1: losing them a couple of football games. Yeah, so I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Mike in the standpoint, if the Bears

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Speaker 1: really wanted to replace Trabisky, they would have gotten somebody

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Speaker 1: better than Nick Foles. I. Nick Foles sucks. I I

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Speaker 1: agree with you had that one out of body experience

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Speaker 1: with the Eagles in the playoffs. But the body of

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Speaker 1: work outside of Philadelphia Foles has been been pretty That's

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00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: a great point, Benny. He's never played a full season,

638
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: Number one, number two. Philadelphia was built for him, huge

639
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: offensive line, decent skill position players. But with the Bears,

640
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: it's a whole different story. You better have foot speed,

641
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: which Trabisky has. I want Trabisky to take more chances

642
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: this year, run a little bit more, but with you

643
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: don't have foot speed. To me, Nick Foles is a

644
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: great relief picture. He's never played a full season. He

645
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: and here's another thing we got to get off the

646
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: Philadelphia thing. He has been an unmitigated disaster, one of

647
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: the worst free agents in history. Four years eighty eight

648
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: million at Jacksonville blew up in their face. I wonder, now,

649
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: were you in your heyday and when you were dominating

650
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: the airwaves of Chicago? Sammy Sosa? Sammy Sosa was dominating

651
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: for the Cubs, and now there's this controverse. I'm sure

652
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: you've seen it the last couple of years, but really

653
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: it flared up the last couple of weeks with the

654
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: documentary Should the Cubs allow Sammy Sosa back? What's the

655
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: real story there, Mike, What's really going on between Sosa

656
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: and the Cubs. What are you hearing well? The Cubs.

657
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: Let Salsa run the show. I mean when he was there,

658
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: I lived this, and I was at the ballpark plenty,

659
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: But uh, he got nose to nose with carry wood.

660
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: Carry Wood smashed his boom box. He'd play his music loud,

661
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: Him and Joe Girardi. When added Sammy Solsa went from

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00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: a hundred seventy pound guy that I knew what the

663
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: clubs back in two to a guy I didn't even

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00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: recognize at the end, a guy nobody ever got more

665
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: out of steroids outside of Lance Armstrong than Sammy Salsa.

666
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: Nobody Bonds was already an All Star even before he

667
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: did it. Clemens was an All Star even before he

668
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: did Sammy Salsa before Ken homers fifteen homers, eight homers,

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00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he got bigger and bigger.

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00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: And don't forget he had the court bad incident where

671
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: the super Boss flew up. He had actual friends dressed

672
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: up in cub uniforms and shag fly balls before games

673
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: in batty practice. So he was a mess. The team

674
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: was a mess. I know that people want to bring

675
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: him back. I don't like the fact that they. I

676
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: don't understand the glorifying of meeters in baseball, and McGuire

677
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: is Solsa to me didn't bring back good memories. I

678
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: knew it was a joke when it was happening. Soa

679
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: it sits the home one three times, somebody said, well yeah,

680
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: but you know, I go, wait, the numbers are indicting.

681
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: That's when indicted Sammy. He had no business hitting forty

682
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: homers in his career, but he got I've never seen

683
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: a guy get beefed up like him ever, and I

684
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: mean it, Mike. The only other guy that comes to

685
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: my mind, and you mentioned or how he was prior

686
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: to being on the juice is probably David Ortiz, right.

687
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean he was in Minnesota, he had a lowly average,

688
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: didn't hit for power, and then all of a sudden

689
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: he makes his way to Boston and the guy can't

690
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: be struck out. Well, you know what he didn't But

691
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: you know what he didn't do date he didn't break records.

692
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: He helped them win Tennant's World Series. And regardless of

693
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: what we think he did, the bottom line is the

694
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: guys that are facing the brunt Our bonds because he

695
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: broke Aaron's record, Sosa because well, really they made a

696
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: mockery of the numbers. And uh, I remember Clemments. I

697
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: I said, back in the day, I think pictures were

698
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: doing it. They go, well, why do you think pictures

699
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 1: are doing I go, well, if if if I hither

700
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: can hit farther, why can't a picture throw harder? And

701
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: I remember interviewing interviewing Ron Schuler, who was the GM

702
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: of the White Sox, and I had asked him, why

703
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: didn't you guys go after Clemmens. You let him go

704
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: to Toronto. He goes, well, he's damaged goods until we

705
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 1: found out later that he's doing what he was doing.

706
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: And then he didn't become damage Goods anymore than he

707
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: had a whole new second career. Yeah, he goes to

708
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: people forget this. I mean he was he was basically

709
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: done with baseball. He had no zip on a fastball

710
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: and his sinker, and then all of a sudden, he

711
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: goes to Toronto and goes back to back on Cy

712
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: Young's and that was that was a problem. And then

713
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: he goes to Houston. This is the best. And I

714
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: knew a guy on the club's ground crew and he says,

715
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: you know this, Clemments, Mike, he's got this cream that

716
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: he keeps rubbing on his arm in between the He's like,

717
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. Well, the ground crew guys

718
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: used to go in the dugout, especially during rain delays,

719
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: and you know they'd sit there with some of the players,

720
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: and the players would be in the clubhouse, but Clemmens

721
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: would rub this white, creamy substance on his arm after

722
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: every inning. And the outside of it was a white too,

723
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: but it was the tape they had tape over whatever

724
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: the printing was on it. Well, I just put two

725
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: and two together. He was putting creatina and or doing

726
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: something like that, and and and then lo and behold.

727
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Years later we see him testifying before Congress, him and

728
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: Paal Meryl wagging their fingers. I guess the one thing, though,

729
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: Mike is a is you talking about the players that

730
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: should be getting into the Hall of Fame. But you

731
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: look at bud Sea Lee, and you look at the owners.

732
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: They're the biggest They're the biggest implication with all this,

733
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: because I don't want to say they condone it, but

734
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: they did turn an eye to it, and they ripped

735
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: the rewards of it. The gates sales were up, the

736
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: marketing was don't know what we were supposed to do.

737
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, I didn't know what they

738
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: were supposed to do. They didn't have testing in place.

739
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: They were all disorganized this and came out of nowhere.

740
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: I will say, I thought Seela tried to do stuff,

741
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: but the media did too. You saw that they treated

742
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: these two guys like they were doing this legitimate on

743
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: on on on the documentary, everybody turned the blind eye.

744
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't just see like it just it wasn't just

745
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: the owners, it was it was the media, it was

746
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: it was the ownership, it was the players, it was everybody.

747
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: And then when you hear Sammy Salsa say, well everybody

748
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: was doing it back then, well that's not too good

749
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: to hear. It really isn't. And and then when you

750
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: see that, you know a guy like Frank Thomas, I mean,

751
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: my my favorite thing is Frank Thomas. Where's the guy?

752
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: He never did it and there's no reason to believe

753
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: he did. And think Giobby got the m v P

754
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: that your Frank should have got up in Giobbi, I mean,

755
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: Giobby was. I'll never forget. It was like forty degrees

756
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: at at at White Sox Park and Giommy was so

757
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: riddled with steroids. He was sweating like it was ninety degrees,

758
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: but he was at the play and it was just

759
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: he was so big. So all these guys just turned

760
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: into different type of people, and that just, uh, it's

761
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: it's screwed up baseball. The records are really I mean,

762
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: I still used the old records. I still followed Maris's record,

763
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: I still follow Errands. I don't regard the bonds as

764
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: record or soulsice, I really don't. Fox Sports Radio has

765
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768
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Speaker 1: to listen live. What happens when you have people that

769
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: make the argument, Hey, back in the day, these guys

770
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: were taking greenies and they're taking other supplements that people

771
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: may not be taken these days, but they were taking

772
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: them back in the day and then in abolished by

773
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. So where's the stance on that for you.

774
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't think greedies makes you hit the ball thousands on.

775
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: Pete Rose told me he took greedies all the time.

776
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: They used to have him in the ball on the

777
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: on the on the picnic table in the clubhouse. Yeah,

778
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: but and and it did. They would party all night.

779
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: They would be dragging, especially for day games. I mean,

780
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: you come into Chicago and you're playing all day games

781
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: after you, you know, just played the three night games

782
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: at St. Louis and now you're party in at night

783
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and you used to take the greenies to me.

784
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: You know, the steroid thing is the thing that really

785
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: has dragged the game. I never heard anybody say this

786
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: game sucks because the players around greedies. I guess the

787
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: pushback though, for me would be this is that greenies

788
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: are one thing, but that helps out with with where

789
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: you're at in terms of alertness and recovery. And that's

790
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: what Andy Pettitt had mentioned when he got popped because

791
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: he was using h g H. You don't take the

792
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: h g H to get bigger and stronger and faster,

793
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: but you take it to recover. And as you know,

794
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: availability is a lot of times better than just you know,

795
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: ability alone. And so when you're able to play nine

796
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: percent of the time or percent of the time as

797
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: opposed to having to take you know, once every four

798
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: days off because you're laboring, you're lingered you're you're hurt

799
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: and you're banged up. I think that does a lot.

800
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: So you're talking about guys that come rolling on in

801
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: because of a bad hangover or the flu or whatever

802
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: it maybe, and you're popping something anything that gets you

803
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: back in the diamond, you're gonna be. You're drinking coffee,

804
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: Cossie's got. I mean, I drink four Starbucks a day.

805
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: I feel like could get again. After my fourth one,

806
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: I want to go run around the block. I mean,

807
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean,

808
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: there are artificial stimulants you are going to take, but

809
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: when you're knowing the injecting stuff in you that you know.

810
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I looked at those home those guys, I

811
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: don't know if you know. I mean, they weren't even

812
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: swinging hard. Mccryon wasn't even swinging hard the balls going

813
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: out on the street. Solsa too, I mean, and I

814
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: will say this it the Sammy Sulsa had one of

815
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: the greatest motors. I never saw a guy play harder.

816
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: But why was he able to play harder? Why was

817
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: he able to maybe do things other guys couldn't do

818
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: because he had an advantage It's sort of like if

819
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: you play seven cards, stud you give me ten cards

820
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: and you only get to have seven and I beat

821
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: you every time. Am I going to the card playing

822
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame? No? I cheated, But but that did.

823
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: That's basically what I equated to. I just think that

824
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: it was wrong. They have an edge, and I don't

825
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: know how many players did it, but to hear Sammy

826
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: Sulsa say everybody was doing it at the time was

827
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: not a good look. Well, and I remember Mike with

828
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, Mike Piazzo. I go out and watch batting

829
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: practice and he would hit balls out of Dodger state

830
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: him over the pavilion during batting PROCs right regularly. And

831
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: but that brings up an interesting thing here, because if

832
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: you look at the Hall of Fame, and I was

833
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: just like you, Mike, I was like, these guys, ban

834
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: them all. Nobody should get in the Hall of Fame,

835
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: not you know, Bonds McGuire, so so Clem as any

836
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: of these guys. But they've already let guys in like

837
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: Jeff Bagwell, Mike Piazza, Ped Rodriguez, who many believed did

838
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: steroids and were productive because in large part of steroids.

839
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: So how do you decide, I mean, this is my argument.

840
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: If you're gonna let those guys in, then you have

841
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: to let the other guys in. How do you how

842
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: do you decide who gets in who doesn't get in

843
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: when you already let some steroid users in the Hall

844
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 1: of Fame. Well, first of all, those those guys once again, Danny,

845
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: and I know what you're saying. They didn't really break

846
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: any records, but I know they we feel they did

847
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: performance enhancers. I mean, I saw Pudge Rodriguez lose thirty

848
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: five pounds over the winter get out. I mean, you know,

849
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: you see these guys now, I still five bears walking around.

850
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Kurt Becker was a two somebody found Lineman

851
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: now he's one eighty yet all uh, they've even told

852
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: me they did the steroids. Uh, but but I think

853
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: it was the records. It's crazy. If Bonds hit six,

854
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: look at a Rod. A Rod's got six hundred and

855
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: nine homers, right or something like that. I don't know,

856
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: and and I don't know if he's ever going to

857
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: get and I don't think he will because of the

858
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: suspension and everything else. I know that people will campaign

859
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: hard for him. And uh, you know, we could talk

860
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: another day about him being allowed on the baseball team.

861
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean, it just seems like the guys

862
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: that aren't doing don't do the right things get rewarded.

863
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: But I don't. I think it was the breaking of

864
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: the records guys, And I think it was the ridiculousness

865
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: of Soulsa's numbers and bonds break and Aaron's record and

866
00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: the arrogance at the congressional hearings with McGuire. Um. I

867
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: I just think that you're right. There is probably a

868
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: two tier system where some guys snuck in and Piazza

869
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: might be one of them. There's no doubt about it.

870
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: Then he was. I used to hang with Tommy Withsorder

871
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: when he was in Chicago, and they picked him. I

872
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: don't know, at the bottom of the barrel. Nobody gave

873
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: him a chance and Tommy was his godfather, and the

874
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: next thing you know, he was in All Star Games. Yeah,

875
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy. Hey, I heard a rumor about you.

876
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: I want you to confirm it, and I I don't

877
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: know how much you can say or not, but I

878
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: heard a rumor in the hallways at Fox Sports Radio

879
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: that there's some kind of movie project about you. Is

880
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: that is that accurate? That just really there was a

881
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: movie project that called raginge Mouth. But to be honest

882
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: with you, because of his COVID everything's been shut down.

883
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: We were on a roll and I wanted to get

884
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: We were in pre production at the time, and it's

885
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: called Ragie Mouth, and uh, we're currently doing some rewriting

886
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: of the script. You know, movies don't happen in a

887
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: year or two. Uh, but we were on schedule. I

888
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: just got the script back from Adam Rifkin, who's the director,

889
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Morrison, who's a screenwriter. I looked at it.

890
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: We're making some changes, but yeah, that's in the works.

891
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: When it's gonna happen now, I have no idea. I

892
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: really don't because this whole COVID thing has closed everything down.

893
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: But that is what that rumor is correct. So who's

894
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: gonna play you? That's awesome, your life story is gonna

895
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: be Who's gonna play in the movie? Who do you

896
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: want to play? As well? I have a guy in

897
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: mind if it's if it's a movie where it's not

898
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: gonna be there's there's big budget guys that I want,

899
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: and there's small budget. Ike Baron Holts, who uh is

900
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: a great actor. He's from Chicago and he was a

901
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: listener of mine. Uh. He was in Snatch with Goldie Horn.

902
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have seen it, and

903
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: Namy schumer Um, but he was in that as he

904
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: played the son. And Uh. Also my my wish list

905
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: is justin Timberlake to play me in a big budget,

906
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: will be with his wife to play my wife, Phoebe

907
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: Jessica Bill. But uh, we have a lot of people

908
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: in the pot that we're stirring around, and the first

909
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: thing we gotta do is to have a good script.

910
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: And once you get the script, then you start chopping

911
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: it around and then the actors start coming. Well that's great, doc,

912
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: Doc Mike, let me let me tell you something. You

913
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: You've got to when you have the red carpet, When

914
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: you have the red carpet event there, I want to.

915
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: I want to see that. I want to I want

916
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: to see the spectacle when that becomes reality. That's gonna

917
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: be awesome if it happens. Man, believe me, you're gonna

918
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: bring it down. Maybe we're having at grounds. Hell, guys,

919
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: good walk down the Street Perfect. You know, Ben, do

920
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: you think it'd be fair for me to ask Mike

921
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: to be a part of this project since he defecated

922
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: on my last name and it's been it's it's just

923
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: I love that first of all sprise where I love

924
00:49:54,600 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: that's just one of my favorite's. Just absolutely Mike, Mike,

925
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. I forgot you can't you know

926
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: what it was all in it here here. I never

927
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: want to put your anybody's name. But we had never

928
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: worked together. I don't know if it worked together before

929
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: I go loose doing the updates. I think David Gaga

930
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: doing the I think that's how I did it at

931
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, Mike, I because I was working on

932
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: the show with Ben that night, and then after I

933
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: stepped in with you guys with you Andy and then Jonas,

934
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: and there's a Starbucks down the streets. I was driving

935
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: some Starbucks after the shift was over, and typically when

936
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: you leave, there's about a delay on I Heart radio

937
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: from anywhere from about three or four minutes out. And

938
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: so I get in my car and at Starbucks and

939
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, like you guys are saying

940
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: thing like you're one of the rare shows that actually

941
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: like thanks the entire staff. You're identifying people, we say,

942
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: I used to thank everybody, right, So you were thinking

943
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: the board, ob, you're thinking Jonas, And then you got

944
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: to me and I was like, what the funk was that?

945
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: I texted? I texted Jonas, Hey, listen, we want to

946
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: thank Bobby Cara, we want to thank Jonas. Knock did

947
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: a great, great job, bandy, you have a great time

948
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: out there. Also updates David Gagan. I mean you know, yeah,

949
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: it's one of the famous cuts. It's still played I

950
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: think on a regular basis on Ben show, isn't it.

951
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: It's played on every show. I think it the only

952
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: shows not played on He's likes not played on it. Like, damn, yeah,

953
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: that was that was defication of the last name. I

954
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: am injecting myself choice David. It was a good day

955
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: for you. It could attention, didn't it didn't. Did you

956
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: planned that with them? Did David put you up to them?

957
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: I go, no, I got his name wrong, Yeah, but

958
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: I got I got no residual payout from that. It

959
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: was just it's just it just it just it's just

960
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: a point of ridicule and and and funniness. Now, which

961
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: is fun. I mean, you know, hey, look are you

962
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: guys having any fun right now? Because every time I

963
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: was on the year, I had a great time. But

964
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: I can't believe this last I know that the last

965
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: one hundred days even I mean, I'm serious, it would

966
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: have been brutal. I remember I was on after nine

967
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: eleven and it was brutal. So anytime something like that happens,

968
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it's tough. So you know,

969
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: you guys, hey, I give credit to everybody. Everybody is

970
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: stepped up well, and I give Mike, it's been a pleasure.

971
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: I guess we gotta put the baby to bed here,

972
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: but you've given us some more. David Gagon drops here,

973
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: so thank you for that. We will add that what

974
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: I said, gag on right. But I know, and you

975
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: know what, it became one of the most I think

976
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: it's one of the most played cuts in Fox Radio history.

977
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Mike. I'm sorry, Dave Will I never forgot

978
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: your name again. I will. I'll accept your apology once

979
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: once they start working on a new project, I'll make

980
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: that's that's your make good assignment for the for the year.

981
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: That is when I don't know. I I gotta live though,

982
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: we can't. We can't make up a gag on I understand,

983
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: how were you actually hot when? Right? And that's that's

984
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: a surname. That that that that is not that is

985
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: not spitting on someone's face. Might that is like you

986
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: on the South side of Chicago dropping your pants and

987
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: just taking a huge dump on me, like that is

988
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: exactly what you now, I'm I always thought you'd sort

989
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: of ripe it, but it's following you around like right, yeah,

990
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: but I see, Look, I mean you mentioned it, and

991
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: I think the one the one area that we have,

992
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: like working with Ben and work with Jonas and working

993
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: one of the guys, is that we have a not

994
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: so serious space that we can operate in or other places.

995
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: God forbid, if you did anything like that, I'd be

996
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: raising my ass up to the hr right, like that's

997
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: the This is the type of climate we're in nowadays,

998
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: where something like that happened, people would get easily offended.

999
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: And I think working with the guys we work with,

1000
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: we won't take a lot of these things seriously. We

1001
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: take our job series you know, you can't. I don't

1002
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: not that I know what bothers you that you know

1003
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: that Boby to keep more than nice thoughts. I mean

1004
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: sort of like feel bad that sort of rented a

1005
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: condo in your head above your right here. Well, you

1006
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: know who are a certain amount you know who that's

1007
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: not gonna worry that the Bend is not gonna worry

1008
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: about it. If a no, you know it was the guy.

1009
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the instigator that Joan is not. He's

1010
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: an instigator, damn little rascals an instigator. So you guys

1011
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: are all doing good man, that's all. That's all that counts. Yeah,

1012
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: we're alive and well. And Mike again, for those that

1013
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: missed it, I don't know how you missed the beginning

1014
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: of this, but you're on the radio every Friday in Chicago,

1015
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: and you can hear every Friday night in Chicago for

1016
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: an hour from seven to eight, we do a wagering

1017
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: show called the Odds Couple of Comment to Falco and

1018
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: then to replace eight o'clock on a M one thousand ESPN.

1019
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: On Saterday morning, I do a podcast on Paris Bar

1020
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Room and that's it. I just chilled, man, I chilled

1021
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: place some golf hang out, you know. I see you

1022
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: guys on Twitter every so often, and you know, just

1023
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: hang out a little bit with the peeps. And that's

1024
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: off and north to north to north on Twitter, that's

1025
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: the number two, right you can you can follow absolutely

1026
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: had a number two and O R T. H. And

1027
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: I like engaging with the folks because those are the

1028
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: main people. The folks all go nowadays. Jeez, you're afraid,

1029
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, I just say, hi, how is everybody? I'm

1030
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: afraid I'm gonna get you all day, so forget about it.

1031
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: You know that's crazy, man, You go on Twitter going

1032
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: how's everybody? They go? What do you mean by that? Yeah, yeah,

1033
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, Mike. We love you, man, be good. Thanks,

1034
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: thank you guys, Thank you both very much. I love

1035
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: you both. Thanks days. Thanks man. Thanks Mike.