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Speaker 1: What is up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Uff Podcast. We're changing it up a

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Speaker 1: little bit today because there's nothing going on. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know, we got the rumors of Roki Sasaki. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's not signing, right, James, the Mets aren't getting.

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Speaker 2: Him, basically no chance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really all we're gonna talk about until there's

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Speaker 1: any news that leads us to believe that maybe the

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Speaker 1: Mets have a chance, but they don't. And then we

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Speaker 1: had Alex Verdugo rumors that the Mets are possibly interested

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Speaker 1: in him, to which I want to throw up and

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Speaker 1: I'm sick to my stomach.

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Speaker 2: James Fields, otherwise, I's not that feel otherwise. But do

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Speaker 2: you want to hear the Mets outfielders and the forty

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Speaker 2: man roster right now? Don't care?

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Speaker 1: We have won Soto Brand Nemo and Jose Siri and

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Speaker 1: Sally Marte whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then besides, then the only other thing is

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Speaker 2: Tyrone Taylor and Jose Azocar. So I mean, I love

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Speaker 2: that He's not better than Tyrone Taylor, definitely, not even close.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tell you who is. So where does

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Speaker 2: he fit on the roster. When you're in five million dollars,

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Speaker 2: the Mets need probably one more outfielder than the roster

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Speaker 2: were getting carry six what has I don't need to

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Speaker 2: carry them. But I'm just saying, like, it's like he's

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Speaker 2: not playing. We have to play appearances disgusting.

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Speaker 1: I'm out on Alex Radugo completely, but that's not the

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Speaker 1: point of this episode. We're doing by or sell. So

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Speaker 1: we went on Twitter. We asked you guys to give

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Speaker 1: us your hot takes about the upcoming season for the

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Speaker 1: Instagram at TikTok. So let's start off here with something

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Speaker 1: that I guess is a little bit more topical because

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Speaker 1: we did get announcement of David Wright getting his number retired.

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Speaker 1: We know it's gonna be a big thing. It's now official.

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Speaker 1: And Hunter and Peter Smith came in with kind of

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Speaker 1: Hunter said de Gram should not have his number retired,

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Speaker 1: and Peter Chime did and said he agreed, we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: get all retired number crazy. So where do you line there, James,

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Speaker 1: Do you agree that the Mets shouldn't retire to Gram

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Speaker 2: I think de Gram is the last guy that could

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Speaker 2: get his number retired by the team as things currently

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Speaker 2: Wright's number, number five, got the five on it with

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Speaker 2: David Wright. Can't wait for that one. I do think

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Speaker 2: that we're kind of at the end of the number

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Speaker 2: of retirements. I've heard people throw around Gary Carter, I've

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Speaker 2: heard people throw around Carlos Beltron. I don't think either

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Speaker 2: of those guys are really worthy of numbers being retired.

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Speaker 2: I think de Gram could possibly be the last one,

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Speaker 2: just because we saw him do things that we've basically

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Speaker 2: never seen another major league pitcher do. Ever, when he

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Speaker 2: was a Mets uniform for a few years, he was here,

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Speaker 2: and he was the Met when he was here, like

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Speaker 2: he was the main attraction for I'm not gonna call

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Speaker 2: time of the Mets, Jacob de Gram was the guy.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't any posts success that went with it. There

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Speaker 2: I even think the Mets took it a tiny bit

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Speaker 2: far with Doc and Darrow last year, A little bit,

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Speaker 2: I said little bit. I thought it was as good

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Speaker 2: they got numbers retired. They did win rings, but they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, I think de Gram is very much

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, it was a guarantee. I

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Speaker 1: no animosity towards Shakeop de Gram, but it is that

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Speaker 1: getting a little bit retired number happy. He's one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest players I've ever seen play for the Mets.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. Talent wise, he's worthy of it.

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Speaker 1: It's just the Mets legacy. I guess that's really what

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Speaker 1: Like, there are guys on this current team that could

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't get number crazy, Like I don't think Beltron's

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel the same for me. We didn't see him play,

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Speaker 1: And I guess the only other name you would throw

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Speaker 1: number retiring as Johan and it's because like, yeah, no

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be the same idea for David Wright

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Speaker 2: even getting into the Hall of Fame, the Mets retiring

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Speaker 1: But he kind of built he was kind of like

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Speaker 2: Well, totally and again like he won the ring. Like say, McCarter,

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Speaker 2: I feel like the Mets one in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 2: But I do and again like, if this Mets core

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Speaker 2: after David Wright, I think we're pretty far away from

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Speaker 2: the next Mets number being retired, and I hope that

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Speaker 2: the Mets, as obsessed with marketing as they are, understand

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Speaker 2: that as well. Just should be a special thing. It

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Speaker 2: should be a special thing to have your number retired

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Speaker 2: by your team, and I hope that we maintain that.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think we're on the same page there. All right,

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Speaker 1: We've got one from our buddy TJ. Stats Thomas Nestico.

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Speaker 1: We've seen him on the podcast Pitching Wizard. Clay Holmes

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Speaker 1: is the Mets most valuable pitcher next season. Would defer

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Speaker 1: to you to start this one off here, James, what

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Speaker 2: I have a bonus on that too from Mets Fan

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Speaker 2: for Life. Clay Holmes will have a lower era than

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Speaker 2: Garrett Cole next year, which I think is a funny

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Speaker 2: build on that. But I've been really vocal about my

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Speaker 2: it's just for me. For him, it really depends on workload.

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Speaker 2: It's not even about the worklad I think he can

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Speaker 2: Like I know that first year that Seth Lugo joined

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Speaker 2: that's why I resigned Sean and I. So I think

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Speaker 2: that in terms of value, I'm just thinking in terms

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Speaker 1: I can get behind the idea of what you're saying there.

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Speaker 1: For me, I will sell this one just because I

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Speaker 1: do think this team kind of lives and dies starting

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Speaker 1: we get the twenty twenty three version of Code I Sanga,

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, he was phenomenal down the stretch

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Speaker 1: you said, if Clay Holmes gives us one hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty hundred and forty hundred fifty innings as a starting

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Speaker 1: that's just a ton of innings to get from a

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Speaker 1: being able to have Clay Holmes give us five six

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Speaker 1: Whereas with Frankie Montas, I think we know he can

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Speaker 2: little bit more soothed to handle the riggers of a

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Speaker 2: season than the rotation was last year at this time.

435
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Speaker 2: But also at this time last year, we had Kota

436
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Speaker 2: sang Get not been injured yet. There was a lot

437
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Speaker 2: of stuff that hadn't happened yet. So and I think

438
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Speaker 2: David Peterson might not even I don't remember when his

439
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Speaker 2: surgery happened last offseason, but I think I think at

440
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, like brandisproch still represents one

441
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Speaker 2: of the highest upside or highest ceilings of any pitcher

442
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Speaker 2: on the Mets in the Mets organization right now, and

443
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Speaker 2: I think that's what gets him on this team sooner

444
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Speaker 2: rather than later. But also maybe that's a reason to

445
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Speaker 2: keep him longer, maybe make sure he's ready for when

446
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Speaker 2: this season really gets into the dog days August, September,

447
00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,440
Speaker 2: hopefully October. I do think there's a world, though, where

448
00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,719
Speaker 2: the bottom of this Met staff is so underwhelming that

449
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Speaker 2: it does happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna sell it only from the aspect of

451
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna remain positive and think that the Mets rotation

452
00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,080
Speaker 1: isn't gonna need to help, and that they're gonna allow

453
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Speaker 1: him to mature a little bit more because he did

454
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Speaker 1: struggle at Triple A last year when he got there.

455
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Speaker 1: There are some improvements that he needed to make once

456
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Speaker 1: he hit that level. So I'm gonna sell it, but

457
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Speaker 1: only because it has nothing to do with Brandon Sproke

458
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Speaker 1: being capable of being a major league pitcher at any

459
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Speaker 1: point next year. I think he's definitely going to do

460
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Speaker 1: it at some point. I just think that because of

461
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Speaker 1: how many arms Mets have gotten, I think they're just

462
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Speaker 1: going to try and exercise every option before they have

463
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Speaker 1: to go to Brandon sprot for the reasons we mentioned

464
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Speaker 1: of they want to call him up and they want

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Speaker 1: him to stay there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's all completely true. But

467
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Speaker 2: we also just there's always going to be world where injuries. Yeah. Yeah,

468
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Speaker 2: the Kola Sangle was injured all of last year. Frankie

469
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Speaker 2: Mantis has dealt with injuries. Paul Blackburn had spinal fusion

470
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Speaker 2: surgery this offseason. Griffin Canning is Griffin Canning. Like, if

471
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Speaker 2: two of those four guys I just mentioned go down,

472
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Speaker 2: that's now two of yours. Now you're only down to

473
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Speaker 2: five starting pitchers from the seven at we just started with.

474
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Speaker 2: So now all of a sudden and you probably do

475
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Speaker 2: need some innings. So then it's probably just the question

476
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Speaker 2: of whether or not that's sprote or Blaye Tedwell gets

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Speaker 2: that for a shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which I guess we'll have to wait and see

479
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Speaker 1: for that at that point.

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Speaker 2: Yep. I got the next one here from our guy Jess.

481
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Speaker 2: I actually I love this take. It's one that is

482
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Speaker 2: very funny, but I really want to he want to

483
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Speaker 2: know what you think about it. This offseason has been underwhelming.

484
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Speaker 2: If they don't add more Francisco Indors thirty one, and

485
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Speaker 2: we're far behind the Dodgers. It should be time to

486
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Speaker 2: go all in. Wooo. I kind of love that take.

487
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Speaker 2: I don't hate it.

488
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Speaker 1: The one thing I so, I agree we are behind

489
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Speaker 1: the Dodgers without a doubt, and there's the question if

490
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Speaker 1: we're even one of the two best teams in the

491
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Speaker 1: National League.

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Speaker 2: East right now.

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Speaker 1: I think, on paper, with whatever, everything that's going on

494
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it was a bad offseason by any means.

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Speaker 2: That's what it doesn't mean. It was an underwhelming offseason.

496
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Speaker 1: When you signed Wan Soto, it will never be underwhelming

497
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Speaker 1: by any means. The Mets made the biggest move of

498
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Speaker 1: the entire offseason and got the best player physically available,

499
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Speaker 1: one of the three best players in baseball, So to me,

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Speaker 1: it's not an underwhelming offseason. But I agree, I would

501
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Speaker 1: like to see the Mets go for it more. But

502
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Speaker 1: the problem is, it doesn't seem like there are those

503
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Speaker 1: players right now that are available to make them go

504
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Speaker 1: for it. Like everybody that seems to be available on

505
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Speaker 1: the market right now are not guys that the Mets

506
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Speaker 1: should be pushing. The pushing, like pushing the chips all

507
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Speaker 1: in for at this exact moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think the one guy who that

509
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Speaker 2: was was Garret Crochet and then from all intends of purposes,

510
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Speaker 2: Mets were involved, but they just didn't have what the

511
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Speaker 2: Red Sox had and that was why the Red Sox

512
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Speaker 2: gone went side the Mets. But I do think there

513
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Speaker 2: is some truth to this take from our guy, Josh Side,

514
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Speaker 2: because I think that we as Mets fans don't realize

515
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Speaker 2: that Francisco Endorse thirty one years old sometimes yes, and

516
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Speaker 2: right now Pilonzo while he is thirty years old not

517
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Speaker 2: in the team, Brandon was over thirty years old. Like this,

518
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Speaker 2: it feels like the timeline just changed a lot. With

519
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Speaker 2: Wan so though, it felt like the window really got

520
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Speaker 2: wide open, but right the rest of our position player

521
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Speaker 2: corps until the and then we were very confident the

522
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Speaker 2: Mark Fiando's but until Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio, Jet Williams, Drew Gilbert,

523
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Speaker 2: unless one of those guys joins Mark Fiendos and becomes

524
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Speaker 2: someone who were like, yes, this is a lineup regularly,

525
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Speaker 2: someone we could really rely on until Brandon's Brote is like,

526
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Speaker 2: I Am going to be a starting pitcher who's going

527
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Speaker 2: to be free and good for the next four years.

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Speaker 2: Until one of these other guys sense it does feel

529
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Speaker 2: like we are playing this game. We are kind of

530
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Speaker 2: hanging out on the razor's edge and getting one to

531
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Speaker 2: changes this a lot. It changes the Mets floor, changes

532
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Speaker 2: the Mets ceiling for the next ten fifteen years, however

533
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Speaker 2: long we haven't. But there is a thought that's been

534
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Speaker 2: pervasive in my head where it's like, how much better

535
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Speaker 2: do we have to be to win a World Series?

536
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Speaker 2: And how much better can we get while Francisco Lindor

537
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Speaker 2: who is I guess that's our second best player, but

538
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Speaker 2: who's our captains, our leader, who's everything? How much more

539
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Speaker 2: can we do while he's still in his prime to

540
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Speaker 2: get to that spot? And I also don't know the

541
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Speaker 2: answer to that. I don't know. I'm not going to

542
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Speaker 2: question the way David Stern's doing this. We're massive Stern

543
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Speaker 2: supporters in this podcast, but there probably is a world

544
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Speaker 2: where at some point that chip needs to be pushed

545
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Speaker 2: in or maybe the timeline has changed a little bit,

546
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Speaker 2: and like maybe it's kind of with this whole Laggarrera

547
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Speaker 2: timeline that we've been thinking about where I made this joke.

548
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Speaker 2: I think when the Mets signed fora ciscal Lindoor originally

549
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Speaker 2: where it's like maybe the best Mets teams, when the

550
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Speaker 2: Lindor eventually becomes like the wily second basement you just

551
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Speaker 2: can't get off the field. And he's still a one

552
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Speaker 2: twenty WRC plus guy. He's doing in very different ways,

553
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Speaker 2: like he'll still have Marcus Semien seasons, I feel like,

554
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Speaker 2: in perpetuity. But maybe there's just there's still like a

555
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 2: like a tiny push and pull about where this Mets

556
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Speaker 2: team actually becomes their best in the next five years. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: It seems like when Lindor was traded for the corps

559
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Speaker 1: built around him, and I still do think the corps

560
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Speaker 1: is built around him. But truthfully, I think a lot

561
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Speaker 1: of the thought process right now with the Mets and

562
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Speaker 1: David Sturge is we are building around Juan Soto and

563
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Speaker 1: Francisco Lindor and Wansto being twenty six, that that's really

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Speaker 1: what they're focusing on more than Francisco Lindor being thirty one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think the next question right

566
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Speaker 2: here from Pat Stats kind of plays into this as well.

567
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Speaker 2: The Phillies will start declining, can't keep running out the

568
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Speaker 2: same team every year. Age will catch up to them.

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Speaker 2: This is one that I am I'm sadly selling. I

570
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Speaker 2: think the Phillies have become crimly underrated this offseason. I

571
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Speaker 2: think we slain them last year and we hit them

572
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Speaker 2: really where it hurt, and we prove that in a

573
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Speaker 2: series we can go to toe with them and beat

574
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Speaker 2: them pretty handedly. But I do think when you look

575
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Speaker 2: up and down this roster and you look at what

576
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Speaker 2: every single piece of their team is, I think there's

577
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Speaker 2: still some work to do for them. They're bullpens especially.

578
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Speaker 2: It's still a tremendous team. It's still on paper probably

579
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Speaker 2: the second or third best team in all of baseball.

580
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Speaker 2: And I think we can't discount them just because we

581
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Speaker 2: beat them in the series last year.

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Speaker 1: See I I mean, I'm a hater obviously, so I

583
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Speaker 1: have to take I have to just for for the brand.

584
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Speaker 1: But they are getting older, like they like totally casti

585
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Speaker 1: As is not good. He's not a good baseball player.

586
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Speaker 1: He's one of the least valuable players right now. Like

587
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Speaker 1: that actually plays one hundred and fifty games a year,

588
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Speaker 1: Like it's crazy. Kyle Schwarber, this is his last year.

589
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Speaker 2: I believe they're technically under contract.

590
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Speaker 1: Technically technically under contract, like they're running out Johann Rojas

591
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Speaker 1: and they're running out like there's some there is something

592
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Speaker 1: not clicking with this Phillies team, and they don't have

593
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Speaker 1: nearly as much time as I think they think they

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Speaker 1: do well.

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Speaker 2: I think they thought they had that time three years

596
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Speaker 2: ago when they had that time, but then the time

597
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Speaker 2: is that dissipated because they've had that the three playoff

598
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Speaker 2: runs and changes. But I do think that while these

599
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: guys are all very old like the Phillies, the fact

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Speaker 2: that this rotation is still what it is, it's hard

601
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Speaker 2: to ever discount they so like in terms of going

602
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Speaker 2: through a regular season getting to the postseason. I don't

603
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Speaker 2: think you can find three better rosters in Major League

604
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Speaker 2: Baseball in the Philly team right now, because I still

605
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Speaker 2: there's still I get. I don't know where Trey Turner

606
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: winds up in the next two years, especially defensively. I

607
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Speaker 2: don't know if they even thought about that yet, but

608
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Speaker 2: they're probably gonna have to get some some infusions of youth,

609
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Speaker 2: especially on that infield, very soon. Alex. They they don't

610
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Speaker 2: have good prospects.

611
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Speaker 1: No. Aiden Miller is like a really good up and

612
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Speaker 1: coming prospect.

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Speaker 2: I think I think I think Miller and Painter, yes,

614
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Speaker 2: but I think that's besides that it was looking kind

615
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Speaker 2: of good. I still do think that they like the

616
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Speaker 2: era that we're the thing that we're talking about now,

617
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Speaker 2: which is how the Mets can get into trouble is

618
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Speaker 2: what's exactly happened to the Phillies where Boehm and Scott

619
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Speaker 2: haven't and Marsh haven't really grown into real players. They've

620
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Speaker 2: grown into players in your line, though they haven't grown

621
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Speaker 2: in they haven't grown into guys who if if Schwarber

622
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Speaker 2: leaves next year, I'm confident this guy and Alec Bohlm

623
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Speaker 2: taking a real step forward. This Phillies bench is terrible.

624
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Speaker 2: I mean, Christopher Sanchry, I think it's done has done

625
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: a lot to to to whether the storm and resigning

626
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: Aaron Nola does as well. But I do think that

627
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: while this team is still it doesn't You're not as

628
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: scared of them as you were six months ago. They're

629
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Speaker 2: still a tremendous baseball team and one that you're gonna

630
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Speaker 2: have to contend with until the bither end of the

631
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Speaker 2: National So you're buying your selling that they will start

632
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Speaker 2: the decline soon. I'm selling that I think the Phillies

633
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Speaker 2: are gonna really good teams here. I think there are

634
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Speaker 2: hundred win team this year. Yeah, okay, interesting, do you

635
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Speaker 2: think they're one hundred win team? I think they're a

636
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Speaker 2: borderline hundred win team. I think that. I think the

637
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Speaker 2: Mets Braze of Philly one and a half. That's what

638
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Speaker 2: they're like. I think their line is definitely like ninety

639
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Speaker 2: four to ninety five.

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Speaker 1: No going right now, check it Out'm gonna I'm gonna

641
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Speaker 1: look up Phillies with good podcasting.

642
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Speaker 2: I'll even expand on this take. I think people are

643
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Speaker 2: really sleepy on the Atlanta Braids right now. Phillis are

644
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Speaker 2: ninety and a half. They're ninety and a half. Ninety

645
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Speaker 2: and a half. The Braves are at one oh one. Okay,

646
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Speaker 2: so then no, hold on on, I light that was

647
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Ili, I was gonna say, it's fucking say twenty twenty

649
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Speaker 1: hundred and one, uh, twenty twenty five?

650
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Speaker 2: We have got for the where's the National League? Nation League?

651
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: Phillies are at ninety two and a half. Great line

652
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: by me. Braves are ninety four and a half, Mets

653
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: are ninety one and a half.

654
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: I think that I think people are sleeping on those

655
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: two teams the National League. Interesting. I think the Braves

656
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: are geting slept on way more than the Phillies. I'm

657
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: not saying the Phillies being slept I think the Phillies

658
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: need to take exa you just said, Okay, it is

659
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: exactly just that, but it's not the people are sleeping

660
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: on them. I think a lot of people like you

661
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: and a lot of Mets fans are like, we killed

662
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: the Phillies. They're dead, but damn, baseball is not. It's

663
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: not just like simple mortality and baseball. Just because you

664
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: lost years don't mean you can't win the next one.

665
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: I've seen that happen before. It's gonna happen again. I

666
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: think it might be happening to the Phillies.

667
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: That's fine. Maybe it is happening that, but I think

668
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 2: that would take a lot of I mean, the Phillies

669
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: have some insane players in the run. Of course.

670
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're still very good. I'm not saying like that

671
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: they're still going to make the playoffs yet.

672
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: Like, as long as Zach Wheeler is still Zach Wieler,

673
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: as long as Bryce Harper is still Bryce Harper, and

674
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: College Warber and trade Turner. As long as those guys

675
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: are all still what they are with Aaron Ola, Christopher

676
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: Sanchez and like Hays Gizzaro is literally a lottery ticket

677
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: for them, which is crazy. As a fish started with

678
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: multiple years of control. I still won't believe that they're

679
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: not one of the favorites in the National League. It's

680
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: just that they get I think the Mets, Braves and Phillies,

681
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fair very interesting, is se how this

682
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 2: all shakes out. I think if you told me one, two,

683
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: three for those teams, nil or there, I'll believe you.

684
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: This will be my last take about the Phillies and

685
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: they'll move on. Does it feel like they have that

686
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: that they're trying to thread the needle right now though,

687
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: Because that's the feeling I get. And that's what makes

688
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 1: me as weird as it sounds worried about what they

689
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: could be is because I feel like they're really trying

690
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: to thread the needle hard right now for sure.

691
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: But I don't think them threading the needle is the

692
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: wrong idea either. I think in their situation, they should

693
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: be trying to thread the needle like them. Training for Hazlo,

694
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: Czar was trying to thread the needle. They're like, let's

695
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: retain this, Like, we don't want to pay Ranger Suarez

696
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: if he walks next year. We just got Hayslo Czar

697
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: though he might be better than Ranger Suarez in a

698
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: year's time, and he's cheap and he's free, and we

699
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: gave up a seventeen year old to get him. And

700
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: then you mentioned Aidan Miller Andrew Panter, two great prospects.

701
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: The depth of that system isn't great, but they might

702
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: have impact major leaguers within the next twelve months. So

703
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: that's a team who's like that. But this is also

704
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: just Dave Dombraski. Let's thread the needle, Dave to Braski,

705
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: is that the needle threading king. Give give that guy

706
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 2: a thimble in some yard, he will thread the needle.

707
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: That's what he's going to do. And I think again,

708
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: if I was running the Phillies, I would be trying

709
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: to do the same thing. Like, let's get as much

710
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: as we can, just try and do this again, because

711
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,239
Speaker 2: we're not tearing this thing down. Just let's just put

712
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: their heads down and run forward.

713
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: It's fair, that's fair, all right. We got another one

714
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: here from Christopher Zeko. He says, Francisco Lindor will actually

715
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: win MVP this year, reasons being Jan Soto protecting him

716
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: in the lineup. He's one of the he is one of,

717
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: if not the best defensive short stops in the league.

718
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: He will most likely not have a slow start like

719
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: he did last year. The Mets will win ninety five

720
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: plus games. I'll tell you what if the Mets win

721
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: ninety five plus games, Yeah, Francisco Indor is going to

722
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: be in the MVP conversation like he was last year

723
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: when the Mets made the playoffs. You second in the

724
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: MVP last year in the National League, which is kind

725
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: of an insane thing to say, so I don't necessarily

726
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: know how hot.

727
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 2: Of it take.

728
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: This is truthfully the biggest factor, as it always will

729
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: be for the National League MVP until this guy no

730
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: longer plays baseball. Is what the show Hao Tani do.

731
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: Because if he throws fifteen innings, he's the MVP.

732
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: I mean, or if he goes fifty fifty gains the MVP. Also,

733
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: if the Mets win ninety five games, have a much

734
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: better season and Francisco Indoor does kind of the same

735
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: thing or a little bit better. Yeah, wan So probably

736
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: gets the MVP, because then all the narrative's is like

737
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: wan So and and so one, so the Mets win

738
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: ninety five games. I'm sure Lindor his thirty three have

739
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: played great defense and stole twenty nine bases, had an

740
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: amazing season. Then want Soa probably had forty four homers

741
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: and probably have four to sixty on base percentage, and

742
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: we're probably like, oh, wan So has got to elevate

743
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: the Mets. Like all narrative will be wan So though,

744
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: and Francisco Lindoor will continue to just be like, do

745
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: his job every single day and be an amazing player,

746
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: but not fully get the acclaim in respect he deserves

747
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: among Mets fens. Yes, I could get behind that. Yeah,

748
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: so I got the next one right here from LTC.

749
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: Lindor Lieutenant Colonel Lindoor as his government name. The Mets

750
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: will have three rookies play their way into into the

751
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: everyday line of rotation by the end of July. Luise

752
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: and Helakuni at second base, Ronny and Maurisio at a

753
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: combination of d H and third base, and Brandon Sprote

754
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: as a starting pitcher.

755
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: I sell only because I really do think that's one

756
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: of these guys is not going to be an everyday player.

757
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: I think by the end of July, I think one

758
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: of those guys, and it's probably Sproket still is my guess.

759
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: I'll I'll sell it because this might this might be

760
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: the hot take for me. I don't think any of

761
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: these guys be regulars by the end July. Is it

762
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: a good or bad thing if they're not regulars. I

763
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: think it's a good thing if they're not.

764
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're we should be hoping that they're not

765
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: regulars because that means things are going well.

766
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 2: Yes, So basically, if if Stolling Marte is playing well,

767
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: we're still paying twenty million dollars. Marisio won't be the DH.

768
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: I think Marisa does have shot to be in. I

769
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: think basically there's one roster spot from Marisio and Acunia,

770
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: and I think Acuni is well ahead of that because

771
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: of how last year ended, because Marisio hasn't played baseball

772
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: on the calendar year. But I still think that I

773
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: don't know. I think that you and I are probably

774
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: a little bit higher than on Jeff McNeil than most

775
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: Mets fans right now. Yes, I think that the wed

776
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: Jeff nehil ended last year, and seeing just what he's

777
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: done a five year body of work, I'm not confident

778
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: that he gets overtaken very easily. I think there's definitely

779
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: a chance. I think Louis del Lacunya has a lot

780
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: of things he does well. But I also think that

781
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: we didn't see much from Luisa Hellacunia last year.

782
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: I also just got you talked about like he kind

783
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: of might want another outfielder.

784
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: Maybe him. It's Jeff McNeil.

785
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: That's that's what it is, Okay, that's why makes also

786
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: no sense.

787
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: That's a good point too. Then, but last year McNeil

788
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: played way more in field than outfield, Yes, way more so.

789
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: I think that's part of that too. Maybe Acunia is

790
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: the outfielder, but yeah, I think is really good hands

791
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: on the infield. Mauricio does two. I think that I

792
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: think that it takes young players in Major League Baseball

793
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: a lot, especially the ones that the ones the R

794
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: and elite. I think the ones that are elite they

795
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: seen so yeah, the ones on so, the ones that

796
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: are not Jackson Schurry, the ones that are not Gunder Henderson,

797
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: the ones are not round with the Couni junior. It

798
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: takes them a long time to really get a foothold

799
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: and play every day baseball. Like, I don't I think

800
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: that if all these guys are playing every day next year,

801
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: I think, besides Sprote, something went wrong. I think if

802
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: Sprot's playing every day, he forced the hand that we can't.

803
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: We're just a significantly better team with Brandon Sprote on

804
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: it rather than not where the other two guys are

805
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: playing every day. I mean, something went wrong or someone

806
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: got hurt, which I don't want.

807
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: That is that's an interesting narrative with a pitching prospect too,

808
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: versus hitting one as well, because.

809
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: I don't think right because like the way what happened

810
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: last year, Like I don't think I think there's a

811
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: really good chance that Kunia and Marinesio both start the

812
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: year in the minor leagues. I don't think it's a

813
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: bad thing either that that happened. I think it's the

814
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: most most probable outcome right now, And I don't know

815
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: how well those two could hit in the minor leagues.

816
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: Have to be like they definitely have to be major

817
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: league regulars, everyday players. Right now, we're Sproco's a Triple

818
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: A and does what Christian Scott did last year. You're like,

819
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: he has to be in the rotation right now, like

820
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: we need him every single pitch in the Major League

821
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: because we need to make the playoffs, win the Division,

822
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: do what we have to do to go to the

823
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: World Series. Or I think that's the difference. Especially, that's

824
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: also just difference between where the Met's lineup is, where

825
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: the Mes rotation is right now, where the Mes rotation

826
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: is a lot of guys but not a guy. The

827
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: Mets lineup has a lot of guys, and there's a

828
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: lot of guys and a lot of guys.

829
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you bring up the rotation because the

830
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: next one I got here comes from Sean Mets memes

831
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: twenty two. Mets will trade for fran Bravaldez by mid June,

832
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: will lose one to two top one hundred prospects not

833
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: named Jet or Sproke. I don't do the Mets have

834
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: any top one hundred prospects not named Jet or Sproke?

835
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Clifford Risio.

836
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: I guess, technically, I guess technically, So do you buy

837
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: er sell that the Mets would Let's just say we'll

838
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: trade for fran Bravaldez. I think it's funny because we

839
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: were talking about this off air before we start just

840
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: about like the the eventual or potential demise of the Astros,

841
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: which I think there's like a disrespect going on with

842
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: the Astros right now because they've.

843
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: Had such a weird offseason. But then you look at

844
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: the Astros roster and you look at the American League, like, oh,

845
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: they're still easily one of the five best teams the

846
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: American League. I can still easily see the Astros go

847
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: the World Series, and the Astros do have so much

848
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: pitching that I think it'll keep them in the race

849
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: through the season. And so at that point, I don't

850
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: know if they will if they will end up getting

851
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: rid of fran Ravaldez, Like I think that the Mets

852
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: will be in the market for a pitcher of the deadline,

853
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure if fran beer Valdez is the guy.

854
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: I think the one who I'm circling, who I really

855
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: think is the one that could get moved because this

856
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: team I think might suck is Pablo Lopez. I think

857
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 2: that's the one. He's on a contract where fram rodes

858
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: on expiring that he that Twins team could suck. That

859
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: division might be so bad that it keeps them in

860
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: the mix, but they could suck. And if they suck,

861
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: they could get a lot. For Pablo Lopez. I'd be

862
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: willing to pay a lot to get him.

863
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's awesome. Pablo is like, I'm gonna buy I'm

864
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: gonnaun fram Ravaldez. I'm gonna get crazy. I'm gonna try

865
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: be early to the Astros dynasty fall and just say

866
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 1: that this year is gonna be a spectacular failure for them.

867
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: You're just gonna be like, oh yeah, Jake Myers, Chas

868
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: McCormick and Maurissio Dubon and Taylor Tremmell are their outfielders.

869
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: Why would we pitch? Like, literally, we don't have to

870
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: pitch to anybody.

871
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna buy it. I like, I like the

872
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: idea of going for fraan Er Valdez. And yeah, the

873
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: Mets will be getting a picture at the deadline, no doubt.

874
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: For sure if it happens. I'm all in for training

875
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: for Ramer Valdez. Another rotation question here from Thomas Waldron.

876
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: There's a hot one. Jose bud Though wins a rotation spot.

877
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: Out of spring training. Oh wow, that's also a name.

878
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: We haven't mentioned that either as a possible pitching starting

879
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: pitching candidate.

880
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: He start. Take take a step back and remember the

881
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: beginning of the year, he was making starts. At the

882
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: beginning of the year.

883
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: He was good to start the year as a pitcher

884
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: until uh, like seven or eight starts in.

885
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he lost his own a little bit.

886
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: I think he like had one bad start against the

887
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: Cardinals at home and then he kind of the wheels

888
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: fell off and became the bullpen guy. I think there's

889
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: a super really good chance he wins a spot at

890
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: a spring as a starting pitcher.

891
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: He's definitely on the roster. He's way too valuable.

892
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: This is a pro Jose Buddo podcast, always has been,

893
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: always will be. I'm gonna buy it because I'm gonna

894
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm positive. That's a new Year's resolution. Let's be more positive.

895
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: I'll weirdly buy.

896
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: It too, just because David Serrence ha said he's going

897
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: to have an opportunity to start as this goes. I

898
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: know in all the Mets roster projections roster resource on fangrafs,

899
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: has Boodo actually is the Mets primary set up man

900
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: right now, And I don't think that's crazy, considering how

901
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the second half last year went until

902
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: the Mets just literally ran him into the ground and

903
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: he was totally out of gas by the playoff times.

904
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: But we don't get there without Jose Budo for all

905
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: his hard work he did in July and August, the

906
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: Mets are going to have five pictures in rotation. One

907
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: hundred percent. It's gonna be Manaia Sanga, Manzis, Peterson Holmes,

908
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: no doubt. And we've said, and I think the Mets

909
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: have even said that they're going to using a six

910
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: man rotation at times this year when applicable, when applicable,

911
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: So there's going to be a six guy who is

912
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: in the rotation by the time the Mets need a

913
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: six star there. Whatever that be in the middle of April,

914
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: whether that be Blackburn, whether that be McGill, whether that

915
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: be Jose Budo, or whether it be someone we're not

916
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: thinking about. Yeah, it hasn't come into our frame of

917
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: mind yet. Out of all those guys, I think Jose

918
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: Budo probably has both the best ceiling and the best floor. Yeah,

919
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: I really like that one.

920
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely something that's going very under the

921
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: radar right now is Jose Buddo as a starting pitcher.

922
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: For the Mets in twenty twenty five.

923
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: No doubt about it, all right, Next one, this is

924
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a two part to here from Jordan Cabeza.

925
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: He gave us two ones. I had to include one

926
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: of them because it hits especially close to home for James.

927
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: First one we'll start with is Nimo will have a

928
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: better offensive season than Cody Bellinger next year. I'll start

929
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: off there. I love Nimo, but I have to sell

930
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: just because Cody Bellinger and that ballpark. I think he's

931
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: gonna do some serious damage. He is a guy who

932
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: the exit velo has dropped the last few years, but

933
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: he did that in order to make more contact. And

934
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: at Yankee Stadium, all you have to do is put

935
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: the ball in the air. It has a chance to

936
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: go out. We're at Wrigley, Pulling the ball down the

937
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: lines is the worst thing you could do. So I

938
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: just think Bellinger's gonna have, unfortunately a monster year. I

939
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: think for the Yankees, Nimo is gonna be good like

940
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: he has always been. I just think Bellinger might be

941
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: a little better.

942
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: I'll sell as well, just because I've been doing some

943
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: preseason stuff for the World recently, I've been looking at

944
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: the Bellinger and he just seems like he is going

945
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: to have a monster year, Like he's tailor made built

946
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: for that ballpark, and I think he's the kind of

947
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: guy who is going to get swept up in the

948
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: air of vibes, like I think truthfully, the fact that

949
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna be playing with Aaron Judge, a Yankee team

950
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: is going to be improved. Then ty Yankee team's gonna

951
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: have a massive trip on the shoulder this year because

952
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: of how a whole one and so the thing wound up.

953
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: And the fact that they're going to be playing against

954
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: horrible teams most of the time, because the American League

955
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: is a complete shift for Brains League and almost all

956
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: the teams stink. And also Bellinger just he pulls fly

957
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: balls more than most players in the league last year

958
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: ninety percent talnd terms of pulled flyball right. Like, of

959
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: all the things that code, Bellinger still doesn't do very well.

960
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: He doesn't hit the ball very hard anymore, he doesn't

961
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: swing in miss very offense. He's gonna put the ball

962
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: in contact a lot, and he maximizes the contact that

963
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: he does by pulling his fly ball. So I think,

964
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: just based on all that, plus again like having some

965
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: rejuvenation of vibe being in New York, he's gonna be

966
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: on one. He's gonna be literally on a cloud the

967
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: whole year. So I think that he's going to have

968
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: a really good season. But I do think with that

969
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: world they're selling brandim a little bit. I think we're

970
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: forgetting how good Brand Nemo was in the first half

971
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: last year and how we played basically the entire second

972
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: half hurt sadly, it kind of just is part of

973
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: the Brand Nemo experience. It kind of always has been,

974
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: possibly it always will be. There's always a nick, there's

975
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: always a bruise. But if Nimo can easily have a

976
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: full year where he hits about dirty homers and has

977
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: definitely ps easily, and I think that I just think

978
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: that's about where Bellinger will wind up as well. I

979
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: think these are going to be two really good left

980
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: handed power hit theres in the city of New York,

981
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 2: no doubt agreed.

982
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Definitely Now the one that hits closer to home for

983
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: you and you're gonna love this. Who's gonna have a

984
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: better offensive season next year, WRC plus hire lower Francisco

985
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: Alvarez or your boy Adley Rushman. Oh Man, I mean,

986
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to Alvarez, because Adley Rushman is

987
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: a complete fraud.

988
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 2: It always has been, mister aarp. But is Adlie Rushmand

989
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: like thirty four years old already and Alverren is still

990
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: twenty one? Like, let's get real for a second. But

991
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: I do think that we probably have to Maybe it's

992
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: not today, maybe it's not tomorrow, Maybe it's it's in

993
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. We have to have some broader

994
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: discussions about Francisco Alvarez and what's going on with him

995
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: and this Mets team. Because if you look at the again,

996
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: like I was a looking at forty man roster stuff

997
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: in the outfield before, if you look at the catchers

998
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: in the Mets forty man roster right now, it's Franciscu

999
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: Alveras and Luis Urrentz and then there's nothing. Yeah, there's

1000
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: there's a lot of eggs in the Francisco Alvarez basket

1001
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: for the Mets right now. And I think that's with

1002
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: good reason. I don't think he's ever done anything that

1003
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: makes us believe that he shouldn't be someone that we

1004
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: trust and we believe in, and we think is going

1005
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 2: to take many steps forward as he continues to ascend

1006
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: as a baseball player. But it is coming to a

1007
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: little bit more question than it was before about what

1008
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: these steps look like, how he cuts down his chase rate,

1009
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 2: how he just becomes a more disciplined and coaching baseball

1010
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: player rather than like a free swinging, crazy person that

1011
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: he is.

1012
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: I am interested to see what happens if we get

1013
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: a healthy season. I think a lot of the chase

1014
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: rate going up and a lot of the pressing had

1015
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that he heard his thumb

1016
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: against the Dodgers. When he came back, the Mets really

1017
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: needed help. They needed a ton of help. He did

1018
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: inject a lot of energy into that lineup. Everybody loves him,

1019
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: and I felt like he thought he had to do

1020
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: a lot more because of how the team had been playing.

1021
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: And of course they played better when he came back.

1022
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: We know that, but I think because the hand, the injury,

1023
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: miss time, felt like he needed to do more. Plus

1024
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: the power wasn't as good. I think also because of

1025
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: that thumb injury, I think he was pressing a little

1026
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: bit more. I'd love to see a nice, calm, healthy

1027
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: spring training for him. Let him get a couple months

1028
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: underneath his belt where he's the guy, he's the dude,

1029
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: he's playing every single day he's healthy, and then make

1030
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: more of an informed decision on what kind of player

1031
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: Alvarez looks like in the future. Because there's got to

1032
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: be something to that thumb why we just didn't see

1033
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: the rise that we saw last year.

1034
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: I think part of it is also just the regular

1035
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: ebbs and flows for a player that's developing, like sophomore slump. Yeah,

1036
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 2: the sophomore slump is a thing like for Cis Guiliver's

1037
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: turned twenty three this past November. For a catcher's the

1038
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: history of baseball all time before turning twenty three, He's

1039
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: played the ninth most games, has tied for the second

1040
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: most home runs, and has the most postseason at bats

1041
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: ever in the history of baseball before a catcher turned

1042
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: twenty three years old.

1043
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: Although Bradley Rushman was playing when he was twenty three

1044
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: college he was returning kicks Virginia. But I joke about

1045
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: Adley Rushby. I really fucking mark about this lot. Behind

1046
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: the scenes the Adley Rushman glaze. But I just think

1047
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: it's important to note and still despite all of these things,

1048
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: like last year, Alvarez in terms of how hard he

1049
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: hits the ball, hard than basically catch in the league,

1050
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: the damn she does.

1051
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: The selectivity. Like I was making jokes about himree swing,

1052
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: it's actually not that true. Fris squalids the wing. He

1053
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: does really well. He really does understand the strike zone.

1054
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: He does expand the zone a lot. That's because he

1055
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: does so much damage when he hits the ball like

1056
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: a swing a chase from francisculiver as I'd say, is

1057
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: more valuable than other hitters, just because any time he

1058
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: makes contact, it's better contact than most other players because

1059
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: he hits the ball so damn hard. So I just

1060
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: think the big thing with Alva is always going to

1061
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: be understanding those secondary pitches, realizing what's happening with those

1062
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: breaking balls, how pitches are pitching him, because when the

1063
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: ball is in his zone, he swings to the right pitches,

1064
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: and the balls out of it, he usually takes the

1065
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: right pitches. It's just that sometimes he gets a little

1066
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: bit this push and pull between when when that slider's

1067
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 2: darting low and away, and when that fastball's coming in

1068
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: his hands, went is go and went to lay off.

1069
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: He's still really good at it his secer. Each of

1070
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: the last two years, even though his production has been

1071
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 2: very different, it's been a ninety percentile in the whole league.

1072
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: So this is a guy who understands the task ahead

1073
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: of him. And we've really never seen a catcher this young.

1074
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: This experienced the most postseason at bats ever for a

1075
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: catcher before's turning twenty three years old the history of baseball.

1076
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: I know the change. All these new postseason stats are

1077
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: kind of a crock of shit because there's just more

1078
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: postseason games, more postseason opportunities. The fact that he played

1079
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: three games in Wildcard round that used to never exist,

1080
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: and he got to play four games and he got

1081
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: to play six more games. Sure, that's how we got

1082
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: the most postseason atats ever. But the fact that the

1083
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: Mets trusted him in those spots and he was playing

1084
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: every single day and he was getting better as the

1085
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: postseason went on, like where it's the Francisco wualvera is.

1086
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: I think that it's good that Mets media is giving

1087
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: him such a break this offseason. Yes, because the fact

1088
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: that there's no spotlight on him. He could just work

1089
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: in peace. He could throw on his Ben Simmons jersey

1090
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: and just do Russian twists in the Ben as well

1091
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: for as long as he wants to, and just get

1092
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: that core tight because he's there's so much that he

1093
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: can still do and so much already has done. And

1094
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: it's really nice and it's really fair that we're giving

1095
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: the twenty three year old the benefit of the doubt

1096
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: right now.

1097
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: Got to get in franciscu aaverrez his DMS and be like, dude,

1098
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: the Celtics jerseys and the Ben Simmons Nets jersey. Like, granted,

1099
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: I despise the Nets, and I think they're such a

1100
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: loser franchise and organization and the fact that they have

1101
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: any New York on them is just a detriment to

1102
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: the entire city of its own. But we got we

1103
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: gotta let him know, like, if you're gonna get a

1104
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: Net jersey, it can't be Ben Simmons, Like pull out

1105
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: of Vince Carter jersey and old school nets, Vince Carter,

1106
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: Jason kids, something like that. You can't throw on what

1107
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: is the lowest testosterone player to ever play professional sports

1108
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: in Ben Simmons.

1109
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: I will say, now we're doing Franciscoualva's workout talk. He's

1110
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: working out in these new Nike NBA jerseys. There are

1111
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: much more of a better workout is here than the

1112
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: old school rebox jersey. Fair So if you're gonna work

1113
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: out in a jersey, he might have just grabbed the ben'

1114
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: simis jersey because it was like twenty five dollars at

1115
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: the story. You know what I'm saying. It seems like

1116
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: he really likes working out in basketball jersey. I'm not

1117
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: gonna fallt him for that. And he was working out

1118
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: Tatum Jersey. I understand the Nicks and Celtics hate each other.

1119
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: Squabers group in Venezuela. Justentatam is sick like that. That's

1120
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: not that crazy even thing. These guys just like the NBA.

1121
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: I have a next question here from the Hess Express.

1122
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 2: This one hits home for you now personally. Ooh, Jeff

1123
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: McNeil's going hit twenty home runs. Yeah, I'm gonna buy it.

1124
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: I'm selling that by it and the reason I'm gonna

1125
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: buy it.

1126
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: And then we talked about it briefly, and we won't

1127
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: talk too much about Jeff mcgeal here since we already have.

1128
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 1: But last year he first off, he had the weird

1129
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: elbow thing with the Tommy Johnny wasn't playing golf like

1130
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: or I don't think he had Tommy john but he

1131
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: had some kind of elbow issue no power right.

1132
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: But then in the second half, all of a sudden.

1133
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: In one hundred and fifty played appearance, Jeff MacNeil hit

1134
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: seven home runs in one hundred fifty played appearances, when

1135
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: the previous three hundred e hit five. If you give

1136
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: me Jeff McNeil's sven home runs every one hundred and

1137
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: fifty played apearances as twenty home runs on the year

1138
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: for a full season. For Jeff McNeil, he can do it.

1139
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: He's got the ability to pull the ball down line.

1140
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be hitting my mammoth home runs. He's

1141
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: put a couple up into the Coca Cola corner before,

1142
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: like we've seen it. I really think Mets fans are

1143
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: super sleeping on Jeff McNeil, and I think the second

1144
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: half version we saw of him is way more the

1145
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: player he is than the first half.

1146
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: I can tell you something really funny about Jeff McNeil. Yes,

1147
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: last year, the second most home runs he's ever hit

1148
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 2: in the season in his career, and he was terrible.

1149
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: It was horrible to play one hundred twenty nine games. Again,

1150
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think a lot of people are

1151
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: sleeping on Jeff mcgil I don' think Jef McNeil's ever

1152
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: gonna win a bating title again. I don't think he's

1153
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: ever even going to get close to it. But I

1154
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: think that Jeff McNeil is is an above major league

1155
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: average hitter. Whoki is a very valuable member of this roster.

1156
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think people are just really writing them

1157
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: off for what feels like no reason right now.

1158
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: No, there's a reason. He for four months last year

1159
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: he was a business of the worst. That's when we

1160
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: turned around, he was so good. I'm with you on that.

1161
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: I think he's really good baseball player still. But you

1162
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 2: can't say there was no reason.

1163
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: All right, fine, whatever, it's just saying this my whatever,

1164
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, all right, give me the next one.

1165
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: I can't.

1166
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: I can't be negative about my boy anymore. keV Low

1167
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: tells us David Peterson will be the Mets ace next

1168
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: season with a sub three era. I love the vibes,

1169
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna sell I'm not gonna sell the idea

1170
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: that David Peterson doesn't take another step up and put

1171
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: himself as one of the front line stars in this rotation.

1172
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: I just don't think he will be the ace.

1173
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: He's just he doesn't have a stuff that might be different,

1174
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: like conversational lingo that we have there as well as

1175
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: sub three ra so hard.

1176
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: There's very few guys that do that ever in the season. Yeah,

1177
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: I'll sell this too, but I'm not selling David Peterson

1178
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: being a good pitcher. David Pearson's a fun player to

1179
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: analyze for me because he's so different than all of

1180
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: the other pitchers I like. And his hip, he fixed

1181
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: his hip and he was really good. Yeah, and we

1182
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: said last year the velocity bands got tired for David Peterson.

1183
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: He was really able to maintain his mid nineties through starts,

1184
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: which helped him get through that fifth sixth inning for

1185
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: the seventh inning even sometimes that he never had done

1186
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: his entire career. Also, David Pearson last year, I don't

1187
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: know if there's something that can stick with him, but

1188
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: he just didn't give up home runs. No, that was

1189
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: something that was really it was never a buggle booth

1190
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: for Peterson. At times was a buggleboo Peterson. But he's

1191
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: just someone that would give hi home runs. Like every

1192
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: other pitcher in baseball does love Matt Olson every year,

1193
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: that's for sure. Yeah, last year he gave up home

1194
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: runs at less than half the major league average, and

1195
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: that's something that he used to be either above or

1196
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: significantly better than the Major Ofague average. I usually don't

1197
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: love when people just completely simplify home run rate because pitchers,

1198
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: the way they pitched the batteries are always gonna have

1199
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: just gonna give up different mouths of home runs. And Peterson,

1200
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: being such a sinker heavy guy, sometimes will not give

1201
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: up that many home runs. And last year we did

1202
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: see Peterson sinker performing the best that ever had an

1203
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: entire career. Saying and slider was also awesome. It's been

1204
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: really good for three years now and it's changed up.

1205
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: Still really good too. But the fact that this fastball

1206
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: is still so bad and he was able to hide

1207
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: it last year. If he hides it just a little

1208
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: bit worse, he's gonna give up more home runs. That

1209
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: fastball is going to be a home run pitch. So

1210
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: I think that where I'm more of thinking about Peterson

1211
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: regressing more to where the pitcher I think he just is,

1212
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: which is a guy who's the ra around four. We're

1213
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: just still a fine pitcher and still someone's going to

1214
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: be a very big contribute to this Mets rotation. But

1215
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: unless there's a material change with David Peterson, and mostly

1216
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: in the way that he can approach right handed bathers,

1217
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how.

1218
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how he gets better from last year. Sure,

1219
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair take. Give us the last

1220
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: one here for the buyer cell of the video episode.

1221
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: All right, last one here. We kind of broke it off.

1222
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 2: We're just talking about McNeil. But from Tweeter Kring, Jeff

1223
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: McNeil finishes with a higher b war than Mark Vientos

1224
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: this season. This one is truthfully fascinating. If you weren't

1225
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: screaming it through your car radio before it is your AirPods,

1226
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: you're screaming at him right now, because true, there is

1227
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: actually a world where this happens, and I.

1228
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: Think it's mostly because of defense. Yeah, well, here's what's

1229
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Here's what happens if this, If this exists,

1230
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: it's not that Mark Viento sinks. It's not that Jeff

1231
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: McNeil goes back to being an all star caliber player.

1232
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: It's the fact that Jeff McNeil, especially on Baseball Reference,

1233
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: playing second base, they give an insane amount of value

1234
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: to second base defense. Check the wars of undress him

1235
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: and as the last few years see how shitty he

1236
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: hit and how high his war was, it doesn't make

1237
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: any sense. So that's Ben Chase. Yeah, like that could

1238
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: help a ton for Jeff McNeil. The other thing that

1239
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: can combine and help this out for Jeff McNeil is

1240
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: that Mark Vento's could be the first baseman next year.

1241
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: And if Mark Vento's moves to first base, there's no

1242
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: defensive value whatsoever that Mark Vianto's is really gonna get

1243
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: from that position. If anything, it's gonna be a zero

1244
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have to hit at such a high

1245
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: level that it's gonna be tough to be even a

1246
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: four like three and a half four win player for

1247
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: Viento's at that position.

1248
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: And Vieto's I think is comfortably just with is bad.

1249
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: I think the bat projects incredibly well. We mean, we

1250
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: saw him last Year's become a complete world. Either he's

1251
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: basically gonna be a three win player, but he is

1252
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: so bad defensively at third and if he moves to like,

1253
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: there's a world where Jeff McNeil also is a three

1254
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: win player next year pretty easily. So I think there's

1255
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: a world where, like if Mark Vianto's takes any half

1256
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 2: a step back, I do think that Vianto's definitely does

1257
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: not have an infallible hitting profile and set up before

1258
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: this offseason. I'm not I don't know. I'm very ready

1259
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: for Mark Vantos. I can't wait from the play one

1260
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty games. I think he's an amazing baseball player,

1261
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: but he is in He's in the world of like

1262
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: the Brent Rookers and the Adelis Garcias, where things can

1263
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: go a little wrong and things can spin out of

1264
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: controllers because he doesn't make that much contact, swings and

1265
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: misses a lot. When he makes contact goes a long way.

1266
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: So every time he makes contacts a really good thing.

1267
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: But there's a world where next year Mark Fianto's has

1268
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: like a three h five on base percentage and and

1269
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: twenty set twenty six homers and plays horrible defense.

1270
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also where he and he all of a sudden,

1271
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: just like I'm good at third base, Eve I got

1272
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: I improved.

1273
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say good, I'll say improved. Yeah, Mark

1274
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: Fianto's might just have that, might have that in him

1275
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: where he's just going to get a lot better. Like

1276
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 2: we're we're in a situation right now where Mark Fianto's

1277
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: can either this is gonna there's gonna be really world

1278
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 2: breaking guys. He can either be the same, worse or better.

1279
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: And I think whatever those three things happen, it's gonna

1280
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: drastically change. Like what Mark fan you said that if

1281
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: Mark Fianto's is better next year than he was last year,

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Speaker 2: this is this is a peer superstar. Like we officially

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Speaker 2: we've officially struck goal. We have done it. We've done it,

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Speaker 2: we did it, We've done it again. The Mets have

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Speaker 2: gotten away with it. But there is a world where

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Speaker 2: he's just kind of the same. And then if he's

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Speaker 2: kind of the same, it's like a three win player

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Speaker 2: where Jeff McNeil plays a full season like he did

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Speaker 2: in the second half last year, he's also a three

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Speaker 2: win player. And these guys have pretty similar awards because

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Speaker 2: Menil's giving tremendous defensive value of second base, where Vianta's

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Speaker 2: is giving very little defensive value anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we know how bad twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: was for McNeil. He was a two and a half

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Speaker 1: win player and Vinta's is a three win player last year. Like,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's a positional value thing. Second base gets

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Speaker 1: way juiced, as we know by the entire Chase Utley

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame conversation because James does he belong in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Chase he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: But of course he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: It's it's insane that we're even having this conversation. But

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Speaker 1: that's a story for another time. Guys, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for listening and watching this episode of the Mets

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at James Underscore. I'm Draftnickmark with a C.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening and watching it. We'll catch

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Speaker 1: you all on the next episode.

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Speaker 2: Peace out, peace out guys. Let's go Mets

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Speaker 1: B and then love, love, love