Speaker 1: Hey guys.
Speaker 2: I'm Rachel and I'm Allie and welcome you guys to
Speaker 2: a very special edition of Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 1: Very special edition.
Speaker 3: It is Ali because normally when we bring you a
Speaker 3: new podcast, we bring it to you every week, but
Speaker 3: sometimes if something big happens, which is what we promised
Speaker 3: you when we have breaking news, we will bring it
Speaker 3: to you, and that's what we're bringing to you right
Speaker 3: now in this extra special edition.
Speaker 4: Rachel is in New York, so she's calling in.
Speaker 1: Hey Rachel, Yeah, Alie, I could not miss this.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, we really knew that you all
Speaker 2: have so many questions about Jed and the Hannah situation,
Speaker 2: and we wanted to get answers for you guys, so
Speaker 2: we decided instead of waiting until next week for our podcast,
Speaker 2: and we were going to have this special I guess
Speaker 2: we'd like to say emergency edition of a Bachelor Happy Hour,
Speaker 2: so you guys can get your questions answered. Jed flew
Speaker 2: in last night to Los Angeles and he is coming.
Speaker 2: He's sitting down with us. Actually he's sitting right across
Speaker 2: from you right now, so let me not talk about
Speaker 2: him like he's in the third person. Jed welcome to
Speaker 2: our podcast. Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 5: Thank you all so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Okay, we know you're tired, we know you're exhausted.
Speaker 3: We don't want to take up a whole lot of
Speaker 3: your time, but we definitely just want to get right
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 6: Right Ali, Yes, all right, Okay, So I think first,
Speaker 6: just to start it off, what do you want people
Speaker 6: to know right now?
Speaker 7: I think the main thing really is just how how
Speaker 7: sorry I am.
Speaker 5: You know, I've just.
Speaker 7: Really had time to think about the things that have
Speaker 7: happened and how Hannah has felt, and you know, I'm
Speaker 7: very remorseful and ultimately just want to become a better
Speaker 7: person because of all this, and that's really my main
Speaker 7: thing right now.
Speaker 3: But Jed, you know, we we I saw your interview
Speaker 3: on GMA, we watched it. We saw you on AFR
Speaker 3: where you apologized, and I feel like that.
Speaker 1: That's what we've gotten from you.
Speaker 3: You seem very sincere, you seem very remorseful about the
Speaker 3: whole situation and how it went down, and we understand
Speaker 3: that absolutely. I feel like there's more to it. We've
Speaker 3: heard you apologize, but we haven't heard your side of
Speaker 3: the story, and we really want to give you a
Speaker 3: chance for you to just speak freely and tell your
Speaker 3: side of what happened, because I don't think anybody's heard
Speaker 3: it to this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Jed too.
Speaker 2: I want to say, like, I want you to feel
Speaker 2: comfortable in this situation because I feel for you, Oh
Speaker 2: my goodness, like you have been like I what you
Speaker 2: did obviously is wrong.
Speaker 4: You know that, right.
Speaker 2: You apologize for it very sincerely, I believe, And I
Speaker 2: don't even fault you.
Speaker 4: For going on the show for your music.
Speaker 2: I've been very vocal about this since the notion that
Speaker 2: people go on the show because they want to have
Speaker 2: a good time. Nobody goes on the show thinking they're
Speaker 2: going to fall in love and then they do and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh my gosh, this works.
Speaker 4: I can't believe it works. So I don't fault you.
Speaker 2: If I had a music career now in the Bachelor
Speaker 2: asked me to come on, I'd be like to my husband, Hey,
Speaker 2: can you just hang tight because I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: Go on a Bachelor. So I don't even fault you
Speaker 4: for that. But that's what I think.
Speaker 2: I think, Like, like, where do you feel like it
Speaker 2: kind of all really messed up, really got messed up
Speaker 2: for you, like, just talk us through all of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So, like I like I told Hannah, you know I did.
Speaker 7: I did show up because I knew it was a platform.
Speaker 5: I knew that.
Speaker 7: It had a lot of opportunities for adventure. And then
Speaker 7: coming out of it, you know, all the people that
Speaker 7: I've seen seem like they have like a pretty amazing life.
Speaker 7: So that was all very intriguing to me. I was
Speaker 7: reached out to to do the show, I didn't sign up,
Speaker 7: and I just really felt like it was something I
Speaker 7: was supposed to do. It just landed in my lap.
Speaker 7: And you know, once I was there and I saw
Speaker 7: how emotional Hannah was and how passionate she was about
Speaker 7: the whole thing, it kind of hit me. I was like,
Speaker 7: I can remember it. I believe it was like within
Speaker 7: the second week that you know, this is real, This
Speaker 7: is a this is a real person. Though I don't
Speaker 7: know her that well, we haven't had much time to talk,
Speaker 7: I can see that her heart really.
Speaker 5: Is in this.
Speaker 7: And that was kind of the turning point for me
Speaker 7: that I was like, you know what, I want to
Speaker 7: really investigate this more, and you know, going forward, I
Speaker 7: could feel myself falling so I wanted to be honest
Speaker 7: with her, and if that meant her sitting me home immediately,
Speaker 7: then so be it. But I wanted her to know
Speaker 7: the honest truth as to why I showed up. And
Speaker 7: you know, going forward, you know, people ask me now, like,
Speaker 7: you know, you were so honest about that, why weren't
Speaker 7: too honest about the whole Haley situation? And in my head,
Speaker 7: you know, I had more closure than Haley. I felt like,
Speaker 7: you know, we had a conversation on the phone once
Speaker 7: I landed in LA and we knew that I was
Speaker 7: stepping into a very unforeseen future that anything could happen.
Speaker 7: We had talked about all the variables and you know,
Speaker 7: be that like if they wanted me to be a
Speaker 7: bachelor or something, or paradise or anything falling in love,
Speaker 7: like it was all discussed and understood that you know,
Speaker 7: who knows, right?
Speaker 2: So was that's a great, great question. I love that
Speaker 2: you just shared that, because then let's look at the
Speaker 2: I love you right before? So was that like a
Speaker 2: goodbye I love you?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 7: Yeah. I really did care for Haley. You know, we
Speaker 7: we had a great time together. Obviously, going on the show,
Speaker 7: there was not stable ground to actually commit to an
Speaker 7: exclusive relationship together like we just we never did that.
Speaker 7: So I mean I did love her, I did care
Speaker 7: for her. She's a great person. I will not talk
Speaker 7: bad about her. There's nothing bad to be said. But
Speaker 7: in my head, we had more closure than I think
Speaker 7: she did. I felt like we had more closure than
Speaker 7: I guess she did. So, you know, going into the journey,
Speaker 7: it wasn't crossing my mind because you know, I felt
Speaker 7: like we understood that anything could happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously, go ahead, Rachel.
Speaker 3: Well, I just want to ask you this just piggybacking
Speaker 3: on what you mentioned before.
Speaker 1: When you left that note to Haley and you make.
Speaker 3: Comments that are like you know where my heart will
Speaker 3: be and I'll see you at the dock. That sounds
Speaker 3: like you're trying to you plan on returning to her.
Speaker 3: So if that's how you left her, how do you
Speaker 3: explain that? What does that mean?
Speaker 7: I think actually, I know I was just really kind
Speaker 7: of talking out of my ass. I don't really know
Speaker 7: why I would say something like that when you know,
Speaker 7: I didn't know what I was getting into at all.
Speaker 7: Like I had not watched collectively, I've probably seen maybe
Speaker 7: three episodes of the show in my life. I had
Speaker 7: no idea what I was getting into, and you know,
Speaker 7: just I thought I was showing up for a platform,
Speaker 7: and then I met Hannah and completely fell in love
Speaker 7: and I was like, you know, wow, this is like
Speaker 7: completely unexpected.
Speaker 1: So but Jed, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: So I'll just preface this by saying I don't agree
Speaker 3: with Ali.
Speaker 1: I have a different view of how I.
Speaker 3: Interpret the situation. Sure, and so when you say I
Speaker 3: too as well. Did not watch the show before I
Speaker 3: was on it, But I understood that the concept of
Speaker 3: the show, which I'm I'm sure you did too as well, right,
Speaker 3: I understood that how the show works.
Speaker 7: For the for the most part, I thought I understood.
Speaker 7: But you know, it's one of those things that want
Speaker 7: even even if you think you get it, once you're there,
Speaker 7: it's a completely different situation.
Speaker 4: And I get that.
Speaker 3: I know the show is about people are finding love
Speaker 3: at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: You did know that, right, yep?
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Jed, Yeah, absolutely, Like I could see that entirely.
Speaker 7: But it's like I had no idea that it would
Speaker 7: actually be possible in that setting, like it just would
Speaker 7: you when even with watching like I didn't watch the
Speaker 7: show much because to me, it didn't seem real. Like
Speaker 7: when you watch the edits and you see how people
Speaker 7: act and react, it looks like it looks fake. And
Speaker 7: I had people in my ear prior to the show
Speaker 7: telling me it's scripted, that there's going to be people
Speaker 7: coming at you trying to fight you. On night one, like,
Speaker 7: I had all these variables going through my head and
Speaker 7: I had literally no idea what I was getting into.
Speaker 5: So I'm and I.
Speaker 2: Think that's fair Jed, Like I will say, and you
Speaker 2: know that I went on the show thinking it was
Speaker 2: BS like I didn't think that I was actually I mean,
Speaker 2: I did fall in love with Jason Mesnick' story again
Speaker 2: this is way back in the day, but like, again.
Speaker 4: Did not.
Speaker 2: I think most people don't go on the show for love,
Speaker 2: and that's the truth.
Speaker 4: That's my opinion.
Speaker 2: So I truly don't fault you for it. And I
Speaker 2: think that's interesting. I think a lot of viewers watched
Speaker 2: the show and wonder is it scripted?
Speaker 4: Is it fake? And it's not.
Speaker 2: But you don't realize that until you get there. You
Speaker 2: don't realize that the emotions are real, the feelings are real.
Speaker 2: So I feel that I think jed for me like
Speaker 2: I have been, and maybe people get mad at me
Speaker 2: for this, I've actually been quite a cheerleader for you,
Speaker 2: you like, in terms of I don't blame you for
Speaker 2: going on the show for music. When you came out
Speaker 2: with that information to Hannah, I was like, heck, yes,
Speaker 2: finally somebody says the truth. They didn't come on the.
Speaker 4: Show for love.
Speaker 2: So I actually really appreciated that. I think for me
Speaker 2: where all sort of fell apart was I know you
Speaker 2: say you didn't want to tell Hannah out of fear,
Speaker 2: but when you had to have realized when the information
Speaker 2: came out at that point, the fear is kind of
Speaker 2: out the window. I mean, so why then still were
Speaker 2: you sort of not being completely because even when you
Speaker 2: sat down with her, not after the final rows, before that,
Speaker 2: I feel like you were trying to talk your way.
Speaker 7: Aroun That was one of the hardest conversations I've had
Speaker 7: in my life. And if it seemed like I was
Speaker 7: dancing around anything, it was simply because there were cameras
Speaker 7: in my face and I'm sitting there with someone that
Speaker 7: I wanted to spend the rest of my life with,
Speaker 7: feeling like it's falling apart and not knowing how to
Speaker 7: handle it.
Speaker 5: It was just so much.
Speaker 4: Did you not watch it?
Speaker 7: I've I couldn't. To be honest, I couldn't do it.
Speaker 7: I mean this has all been so much, and especially
Speaker 7: going into you know, it was first aired when you know,
Speaker 7: right before I went to after the Final Rose, and
Speaker 7: I was in my trailer, so I couldn't watch it live,
Speaker 7: so I just walked in there kind of blind.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean I think we saw some emotion.
Speaker 2: You know, you said I don't want to cry, and
Speaker 2: we saw a few tears, but I think what we
Speaker 2: really wanted to see, like as a viewer, was your
Speaker 2: fighting for the woman that you love in that point.
Speaker 2: Do you feel you gave it your all to say
Speaker 2: that relationship?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 7: I mean I had let her know that I would
Speaker 7: you do anything. I would come to LA to Alabama.
Speaker 7: I would have done like literally anything to sit down
Speaker 7: and have a conversation with her. And this is you know,
Speaker 7: prior to or this is after the where she broke
Speaker 7: the engagement. Leading up to that point, she didn't want
Speaker 7: to talk. She needed space and I understood that. So
Speaker 7: I mean I would have done literally anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did did your family your family had to have
Speaker 4: known about Haley, right, Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean they knew exactly what we were and they
Speaker 7: knew that it was not a relationship.
Speaker 5: They knew they knew like every bit of it.
Speaker 2: Oh, because I assume maybe when during your hometown that
Speaker 2: the reason they were hesitant is because they're like, well, wait,
Speaker 2: he was just in another relationship. Like did your sister,
Speaker 2: your mom, or anybody off camera say, hey, whoa, you
Speaker 2: were just in a relationship. No.
Speaker 7: The only thing they were saying to me off camera
Speaker 7: was is this real? Do you really feel this way?
Speaker 7: They were just skeptical to the whole, Like there's cameras around,
Speaker 7: there's lights, there's people running around our house. I walk
Speaker 7: in with a girl I'm filling head over heels about
Speaker 7: and they were just totally blown away. It wasn't like
Speaker 7: when I watched back on that, especially with the whole
Speaker 7: Haley thing coming out, I can see where people would
Speaker 7: say they knew or it felt like they were acting
Speaker 7: the way they did because of that, and that was
Speaker 7: not the case at all. Like I talked to them after,
Speaker 7: I was like, be honest with me, was any of
Speaker 7: this because of that situation?
Speaker 3: And it just wasn't well, then, Jed, why did Hannah
Speaker 3: say when she was sitting with you in the house
Speaker 3: and you all were discussing the People magazine and Haley
Speaker 3: and everything with that, Why did Hannah say, no, wonder
Speaker 3: your family was acting like that? Because obviously it's something
Speaker 3: that she felt as well.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I think it was just the to the moment
Speaker 7: and that discussion, because like I said, it was the
Speaker 7: hardest conversation that we have ever had and.
Speaker 5: The weight of it.
Speaker 7: I can see where she would be led to feel
Speaker 7: that way, but I know for a fact that that
Speaker 7: wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: Jed.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, and I'm going to go
Speaker 3: back a bit because I told you, Ali and I
Speaker 3: have differing views on how this whole thing played out.
Speaker 3: When I am like you, I came onto the show skeptical,
Speaker 3: didn't believe it could work out, but was open to
Speaker 3: whatever opportunity presented itself, whether that be love, whether that
Speaker 3: be friendship, whether that be a platform after this, like
Speaker 3: you said, and I think that's how most people come
Speaker 3: on the show. I think what gets me about the
Speaker 3: way you came on the show, coupled with the messages
Speaker 3: that we saw from Haley, is that you admit that
Speaker 3: you came on the show with different motives. You came
Speaker 3: on the show technically to deceive Hannah, right, You just
Speaker 3: happened to fall in love with her as the show
Speaker 3: went on, and you were pleasantly surprised. So I guess
Speaker 3: my question, and maybe this is a burning question for
Speaker 3: a lot of people out there, how did you envision
Speaker 3: this going?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: How far were you willing to take it to grow
Speaker 3: your platform? Because that was your initial intention to come
Speaker 3: on the show.
Speaker 7: What I had told a lot of people prior to
Speaker 7: going on this show, like all my friends, was you
Speaker 7: know that I am open, like you said, to anything
Speaker 7: that could happen, and if it was love, I just
Speaker 7: I would tell everyone I just don't see that happening.
Speaker 7: There's no way that that could happen in that setting.
Speaker 7: I was open to the idea, though, And were you Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, did Haley know that?
Speaker 3: Because I just feel like everything that you've said has
Speaker 3: been I came on for the platform. I've never heard
Speaker 3: you say that you were open to finding love on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: So I just want to be clear.
Speaker 7: Right, Well, God knows if it's still there or not.
Speaker 7: But when I had my interviews in Nashville when they
Speaker 7: kind of did like my hometown.
Speaker 5: Piece think.
Speaker 7: When I was interviewed there, I can remember being asked
Speaker 7: if or if I thought that it would be possible
Speaker 7: to fall in love there, and I remember being just like,
Speaker 7: you know, I'm open to it. I just I doubt it.
Speaker 7: I just I didn't believe in it. I didn't think
Speaker 7: it was going to be possible, and my heart was
Speaker 7: open to it, and I talked to multiple people and
Speaker 7: said that I was open to the idea of it.
Speaker 7: I just didn't feel like it was feasible.
Speaker 3: So and I think another question that people want to
Speaker 3: know is if you came on the show for a platform,
Speaker 3: why didn't you just go on American Idol or the
Speaker 3: voice I have?
Speaker 7: You know, I was it just landed in my lap.
Speaker 7: I mean, like I said, it wasn't like I was
Speaker 7: out scouting for TV shows to go onto. I was,
Speaker 7: you know, I was happy, I was living life and
Speaker 7: I was reached out to to do it and it
Speaker 7: just kind of landed in my lap. So I felt
Speaker 7: like it was kind of a god thing and I
Speaker 7: just ran with it.
Speaker 2: That's fair, do you My one thing I've really been
Speaker 2: wondering because I really think about Haley and this, right
Speaker 2: she it seems like her.
Speaker 4: Heart was broken in this. Absolutely have you talked to her.
Speaker 7: We have ran into each other and passing and talked briefly,
Speaker 7: but I haven't had the chance to like really go
Speaker 7: into any of this.
Speaker 4: I want, where where did you see each other?
Speaker 5: We ran into each other at a bar and.
Speaker 4: What like what was said? Because it was this before
Speaker 4: after she gave her story.
Speaker 5: This was before she gave her story. Oh right, So.
Speaker 7: She came up to me and you know, we're surrounded
Speaker 7: by people. This is like right when I got back
Speaker 7: from the show. I believe one episode had played at
Speaker 7: this point, and people were like videoing me standing there.
Speaker 7: I was trying to have some conversation with my friends,
Speaker 7: and she walked right up to me and she was like,
Speaker 7: you know, you weren't going to call you weren't going
Speaker 7: to like say anything, And I just told her that
Speaker 7: I didn't feel like this was the time or place
Speaker 7: to have this conversation. And after that I kind of
Speaker 7: discussed with Hannah that she had been I had heard
Speaker 7: that she was throwing fits at bars and like throwing
Speaker 7: beer bottles and like making a scene, so I knew
Speaker 7: she was obviously pissed and rightfully so, and I felt
Speaker 7: like that was the point where I wanted to like
Speaker 7: say something, and.
Speaker 4: So Hannah to Haley.
Speaker 7: So I discussed with Hannah that I think that I
Speaker 7: should have this conversation with her. And Hannah was, you know,
Speaker 7: kind of brushing it off and making jokes about it.
Speaker 7: But we came to terms that I should just give
Speaker 7: her a call. So I did give Haley a call,
Speaker 7: and she ignored it and never called me back.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, So I guess my question is, then, at
Speaker 3: that point, were you afraid that you heard that.
Speaker 1: Haley was causing a scene, you know, in Nashville.
Speaker 3: Were you afraid at that point that maybe she might
Speaker 3: do something bigger?
Speaker 1: Did you think she might go to the press?
Speaker 7: I really honestly didn't think. So.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you said that you talked to Hannah prior to.
Speaker 1: Maybe I think and correct me if I have the
Speaker 1: timeline wrong.
Speaker 3: But maybe a couple of days after the proposal you
Speaker 3: told Hannah about this girl Haley.
Speaker 7: No, actually I told her the morning after our engagement,
Speaker 7: and we were laying in bed and we started disgusting
Speaker 7: or disgusting talking about our past relationships and I ran
Speaker 7: her through literally everything that I have done, like my mistakes,
Speaker 7: this the stages of just like sleeping around the people
Speaker 7: I loved, thought I love like. We talked about everything.
Speaker 7: I'd never been honestly so open about my past as
Speaker 7: someone ever felt like I even could. I was just
Speaker 7: I felt like I could be completely open. So we
Speaker 7: talked about that and when we talked about Hailey, but
Speaker 7: I really gave more so my perspective on our relationship.
Speaker 7: And I could see now, like I can see now
Speaker 7: that I was not being mindful to how Haley was feeling.
Speaker 7: I was giving my side, my closure, my idea, but
Speaker 7: without thinking about how she might.
Speaker 5: Have been feeling in the situation.
Speaker 7: And you know now I see that she was hurt
Speaker 7: and that you know my behavior and words at times
Speaker 7: we're misleading. But like I said, in my head, I
Speaker 7: felt like we had said our goodbyes and known that
Speaker 7: or knew that I was going to step into this
Speaker 7: unforeseen future.
Speaker 2: I think the hard part is with that is and
Speaker 2: this is the thing. You're twenty five, right, You're twenty five.
Speaker 2: You're a musician. You know in Nashville when I was
Speaker 2: twenty five, I mean, when I was twenty.
Speaker 4: Five, I was the bechel Ritte. But right before that,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm going out, I'm partying, I'm dating guys.
Speaker 2: I'm dating multiple guys, like you know, I think Rachel's
Speaker 2: actually talked about this.
Speaker 4: Why we think that, maybe.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the age on the show should be
Speaker 2: a higher age because at that age you're still kind
Speaker 2: of stall having fun, right, So I get all of
Speaker 2: that completely.
Speaker 4: I think what the hard part.
Speaker 2: Is to understand is the saying like I'll wait for
Speaker 2: you to meet you at the dock or I remember
Speaker 2: what you said, and then thinking that that was and
Speaker 2: then going and telling Hannah you know you thought that
Speaker 2: it was over right, Like, I don't understand. I can't
Speaker 2: connect those two things, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of.
Speaker 2: People listening are and I think that same thing. So
Speaker 2: I want to give you the opportunity to sort of
Speaker 2: explain that, right.
Speaker 7: I would really like to touch on the dock. And
Speaker 7: a lot of people will probably not believe this, but
Speaker 7: if you went to Haley and even asked her, she
Speaker 7: would tell you the truth on this, I would hope.
Speaker 7: But the doc is a metaphorical think for meditation that
Speaker 7: I taught her.
Speaker 5: That's what it was.
Speaker 7: It was not a physical doc, and to the public eye,
Speaker 7: it's going to look like an actual doc. And when
Speaker 7: I read that note back, I was like, damn it,
Speaker 7: that looks like I'm saying, let's meet at this dock.
Speaker 7: But I practiced meditation. I'm passionate about it. It was
Speaker 7: something that I taught her to do to go to
Speaker 7: this dock in her mind and to like sit there
Speaker 7: and be at peace.
Speaker 5: And that's that's what that was.
Speaker 4: It's so funny.
Speaker 2: I wish you came out and said that right away,
Speaker 2: because that's so interesting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I think I just like, when I read it back,
Speaker 7: I was like, there's no way anyone would ever believe
Speaker 7: me on this, but it's the truth.
Speaker 5: Like it's the truth.
Speaker 7: I would take a light detector test, like I would
Speaker 7: do anything like to say or to prove that that
Speaker 7: is true. And I know that Haley, you know, despite
Speaker 7: all this and her anger and being hurt, I know
Speaker 7: she would tell the truth and say that that was
Speaker 7: a metaphor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually believe you. I'm looking at you, staring.
Speaker 2: You directly in the eyes, and I can tell you're
Speaker 2: telling the truth. Right now, So I a one hundred
Speaker 2: percent believe you, and I think that does make it different.
Speaker 2: Like I think I'm glad you're getting the opportunity to
Speaker 2: share that because I think saying you've been very clear
Speaker 2: that you loved her, or at least what you thought
Speaker 2: was love at the time, and saying I'll meet you
Speaker 2: at the dock, and seeing that's a meditation point like that,
Speaker 2: I can see that as almost like a goodbye.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of doing this unknown, like I don't know
Speaker 4: what's going to happen for us.
Speaker 2: I see that now, But what I didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: see it when I thought you were literally meeting her at.
Speaker 5: A doc I know.
Speaker 7: And that's what like when I read the note back,
Speaker 7: I was like God, like, literally everyone is going to
Speaker 7: think this and not.
Speaker 1: Believe this, But well, sorry, Jed, go ahead, no, go ahead.
Speaker 3: You have to understand that. The first sentence before that
Speaker 3: is you know where my heart will be?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you owe Haley an apology? And
Speaker 2: are you going to talk to her?
Speaker 7: I really just need time to digest everything that has happened. Obviously,
Speaker 7: it's been a lot. It's been a lot for Hannah.
Speaker 7: It's been a lot for our famili has been a
Speaker 7: lot for me, and you know, I would like to
Speaker 7: say my piece to.
Speaker 5: Her, but it would just take time. I just need time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Once you proposed to Hannah and then the next
Speaker 3: day you told Hannah about Hailey, then you went home,
Speaker 3: were you like, oh god, what like I have to
Speaker 3: tell Haley something like why.
Speaker 1: Did you decide to ghost her?
Speaker 3: I guess I'm more thinking, did you ever think at
Speaker 3: some point I have to confront Haley again?
Speaker 7: I felt like I had closure. It's like, it's clear
Speaker 7: to me that she did not at all. Obviously, but
Speaker 7: due to our discussions about me stepping into this unforeseen
Speaker 7: future and that anything could happen, I really and honestly
Speaker 7: assumed that, you know, it was understood that whatever happens happens,
Speaker 7: and we wanted the best for one another.
Speaker 3: So you truly felt like I just want to be
Speaker 3: clear that when you since you whatever happens happened, and
Speaker 3: what happened was so you were engaged to Hannah. You
Speaker 3: felt like the door was closed with Haley at that
Speaker 3: point and you didn't know her an explanation.
Speaker 7: Like I said, again, we had closure over the phone.
Speaker 7: I kind of thought that that was what it was like.
Speaker 7: We knew that anything could happen, and we wanted the
Speaker 7: best for each other, and not out of disrespect, not
Speaker 7: out of like hate or anger. We just understood that,
Speaker 7: you know, anything could happen. And I mean, I now
Speaker 7: see that I was, you know, well, I wasn't like
Speaker 7: wrong for feeling how I felt because I cared about
Speaker 7: her and I told her that and I was clearly
Speaker 7: open about that to her. But I can see how
Speaker 7: she's hurt. Like I understand all of that.
Speaker 2: Jedda, I believe you, and I guess the reason I
Speaker 2: just I feel so much for you in the situation
Speaker 2: is because I could have been in your situation because
Speaker 2: I have been very open that I had a boyfriend
Speaker 2: before I went on the show. He treated me like
Speaker 2: dirt and cheated on me like every weekend. But I
Speaker 2: couldn't get out of the relationship, so I went on
Speaker 2: The Bachelor to get out of that relationship to help
Speaker 2: me move on. I think the last text I sent
Speaker 2: before I went on the show was I love you
Speaker 2: to him. I'm actually pretty sure it was. So I
Speaker 2: think people are going to have a hard time understanding
Speaker 2: and I don't because again, I've been in your shoes
Speaker 2: kind of, but people are still and I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm trying to put words in your mouth, but I
Speaker 2: feel like I understand that, whereas people listening are going
Speaker 2: to be like, I still don't get it. You don't
Speaker 2: say I love you, and you know what I said before,
Speaker 2: I'll meet you at the dock or whatever something else,
Speaker 2: you know where my heart, my heart.
Speaker 3: Will be at the dock, Like, well, where was the
Speaker 3: text message that said whatever happens happens.
Speaker 1: Where was the text? I think that's where people get lost.
Speaker 3: Where's the text message that says, you know, I'm open
Speaker 3: to whatever.
Speaker 1: We have an understanding.
Speaker 3: That's what's lacking, right, And I think that's what's hard
Speaker 3: for people to understand.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I doubt you, Jed.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that, you know, when it comes to
Speaker 3: the hard facts and the evidence, we only see lawyer
Speaker 3: Rachel that Hale oh yeah, side that Hailey's bringing. But
Speaker 3: I will say that I truly do believe that you
Speaker 3: fell in love with Hannah on the show, and I
Speaker 3: think Ali and I both agree with that.
Speaker 1: I believe you fell in love with her.
Speaker 3: I believe that you got scared when when you know
Speaker 3: by the love that you were feeling, and then by
Speaker 3: knowing what you had left at home, and you just
Speaker 3: kind of it seems like you just panicked and thought,
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it'll all just disappear, right.
Speaker 7: I'll say this, I don't think you have to be
Speaker 7: in a labeled relationship to love someone.
Speaker 5: I really don't. And that was the case.
Speaker 7: And I'm also confused as to why everyone thinks that
Speaker 7: has to be in text for it to have been
Speaker 7: a conversation. We had conversation, face to face, conversation about
Speaker 7: what could happen, and just because it's not out there
Speaker 7: in a text message doesn't mean that that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2: So have you thought about reaching out to Haley and
Speaker 2: being like, hey, like you, can you come forward with
Speaker 2: the truth, because what you're saying is necessarily not you know,
Speaker 2: Can you say these conversations? Can you let people know
Speaker 2: that we had these conversations? You've thought about just asking
Speaker 2: her that because you're obviously being very.
Speaker 4: Nice about her. You say she's a great girl.
Speaker 2: You're not going to say anything bad. So I'm guessing
Speaker 2: she's pretty pissed at you. But have you considered just
Speaker 2: being like, hey, do you mind sharing that other side
Speaker 2: of the story. I get that you were hurt when
Speaker 2: you saw I went on the show and actually did,
Speaker 2: because she's probably hurt that you did fall in love.
Speaker 2: I'm sure she didn't think you would and she thought
Speaker 2: you were coming home to her. That seems like that's
Speaker 2: the scenario here. So have you thought about reaching out
Speaker 2: to her about that?
Speaker 7: I think that was in her mind the best case scenario,
Speaker 7: and I honestly have not. I didn't consider reaching out
Speaker 7: because my relationship with Hannah was my number one priority.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a question for you, Jed. I personally
Speaker 3: am not as sympathetic to Haley, just to be honest,
Speaker 3: because if you guys had this understanding, she knew exactly
Speaker 3: what you were going on the show to do as well,
Speaker 3: and so at the same time, she's kind of at
Speaker 3: fault as well to a point, right, Like, I get
Speaker 3: that there weren't truths that were told. I understand all that,
Speaker 3: but she agreed for you to go on this show
Speaker 3: and to do what you were doing. So I'm not
Speaker 3: one hundred percent sympathetic towards.
Speaker 2: Some people think she didn't agree, like some people think
Speaker 2: that her heart was like broken and off he was going.
Speaker 5: She was very supportive about it.
Speaker 4: Oh exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That says something about her.
Speaker 3: She knew he was going on this show, she knew
Speaker 3: that he was going to use the show initially as
Speaker 3: a platform for his music, and she was okay with it.
Speaker 3: Why is nobody saying that that's a character Faull? I'm
Speaker 3: sorry it is. So here's my question to you, Jed.
Speaker 3: Do you think that Haley came out because she was
Speaker 3: Do you think that Haley came out to speak to
Speaker 3: the press because she was hurt, or do you think
Speaker 3: she came out to use it as a platform for
Speaker 3: her own music.
Speaker 7: I know that she's hurt, but I know also that
Speaker 7: there's a good chance that she was seizing the opportunity
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 1: And of course she was.
Speaker 4: Yet I mean, and you can't really falter for it
Speaker 4: because you did it too.
Speaker 7: And I and I yeah, And another thing I don't
Speaker 7: understand is like she waited till I had like two
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty thousand followers to come out and say this,
Speaker 7: So like, I think it was intended to obviously hurt me.
Speaker 7: And what I don't understand is if you know, if
Speaker 7: you really do love someone, no matter how promising they've
Speaker 7: made it seem. If they're going on a dating show,
Speaker 7: regardless of why they're going on a dating show, why
Speaker 7: would you stay with them? And like why if for me,
Speaker 7: if I was in a relationship, I would not have
Speaker 7: gone onto a dating show.
Speaker 5: That's just me.
Speaker 7: I'm I'm not a cheater. And you know, and with
Speaker 7: my time with Haley, I did hang out with other people.
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 7: I did date other people. I slept with other people,
Speaker 7: like I.
Speaker 5: We were not in an exclusive relationship.
Speaker 1: Does she know that? Did she know you were sleeping
Speaker 1: with other people?
Speaker 7: No, because there was no We'd never had conversation, you know,
Speaker 7: saying this was this? You know, we we had never
Speaker 7: committed to being in an exclusive relationship. She's rightfully hurt,
Speaker 7: and I see that. I understand that. But the facts
Speaker 7: are the facts, whether she wants to come forward with
Speaker 7: it or not, there was conversation and clarity on my
Speaker 7: on my palf.
Speaker 3: What about these reports that once you got back from
Speaker 3: filming you were hooking up and flirting with other women
Speaker 3: while you were still engaged to Hannah.
Speaker 1: Is any of that true?
Speaker 5: Absolutely not?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: Is it maybe the case that y'all had already broken up,
Speaker 3: because according to Hannah, you guys broke up June eighteenth,
Speaker 3: so or ended the engagement. I should say you guys
Speaker 3: ended the engagement June eighteenth. Is there any truth that
Speaker 3: after that maybe you decided, Okay, well we're done. Maybe
Speaker 3: I'll just, you know, see what else is out there.
Speaker 5: My heart was broken?
Speaker 2: No, okay, yeah, I can see the look on your face,
Speaker 2: and that that's factual.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you this question too, before we
Speaker 3: get into things that happened after AFR. And I'm thinking
Speaker 3: of burning questions, and I'm thinking of things that people
Speaker 3: have wondered about you, and now you have your chance
Speaker 3: to talk about and like Allie and I said at
Speaker 3: the beginning, we want to give you that space to
Speaker 3: do that. Once you told Hannah that you initially came
Speaker 3: on the show for your music, why at that point
Speaker 3: did you continue to play your music and showcase it
Speaker 3: throughout the show.
Speaker 5: I am so glad that you asked this question.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 7: So, when I brought my guitar to the show, I
Speaker 7: actually had no idea that I was going to be
Speaker 7: able to play as much as I did. I brought
Speaker 7: it to have something to do in my downtime. Obviously,
Speaker 7: it's my passion.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 7: I knew that I would be writing in my downtime,
Speaker 7: and there's you know, there's times that I would be
Speaker 7: like writing a song for Hannah, and you know, someone
Speaker 7: from production would hear it.
Speaker 5: I would play it for them.
Speaker 7: They're like, you should play that for her, And then
Speaker 7: I was lucky enough to get to do that on
Speaker 7: multiple occasions. I never would have dreamed that I got
Speaker 7: to do it as much as I did. And I
Speaker 7: can see where people are like, you're showcasing. You're showcasing
Speaker 7: your showcasing, when really it was me being given the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Given the opportunity to do to play.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess, can't you understand how, you
Speaker 3: know what I just told this girl that I came
Speaker 3: on this show to use my music, to use this
Speaker 3: platform to showcase my music, and now here you are
Speaker 3: showcasing your music every opportunity that you can get, at
Speaker 3: least what we saw in watching it. I mean all
Speaker 3: the way from the very beginning of stepping out of
Speaker 3: the limo to the proposal at the end, So you
Speaker 3: can understand, how did it never cross your mind?
Speaker 1: You know? What maybe I have to just put the
Speaker 1: guitar down and talk to her.
Speaker 7: Prior to me telling Hannah to about how I came
Speaker 7: from music, she told me that when I when I
Speaker 7: showed up, she was skeptical about the fact that, you know,
Speaker 7: I played guitar for a night one and that she
Speaker 7: kind of felt like, oh, this is just another guy
Speaker 7: here for music. But up to this point, I can
Speaker 7: tell that you're here for me, and that was edited
Speaker 7: out and that was before I even told her anything,
Speaker 7: and I was like, Wow, it's crazy that you just
Speaker 7: said that, because then I told her my piece why
Speaker 7: I showed up, so she could tell that my emotion
Speaker 7: had completely flipped and that I was there for her
Speaker 7: at this point, and on that date.
Speaker 5: I was unaware of it.
Speaker 7: But they brought my guitar and they put it in
Speaker 7: another room and Hannah, after we had talked and she
Speaker 7: gave me the rose, led me into this room where
Speaker 7: my guitar was and she wanted me to play her
Speaker 7: a song. And I happened to have wrote a song
Speaker 7: the night before, so she she liked when I played
Speaker 7: and wanted me to play. And even after the show
Speaker 7: when we were engaged, she was very encouraging and wanted
Speaker 7: me to bring my guitar and wanted me to play
Speaker 7: for her. And you know that mail lot to me something.
Speaker 4: I love It was your love language.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it is your love language. Well, love language
Speaker 2: is that, Well, it's how he expresses himself. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're a writer, because honestly, I think you express yourself.
Speaker 2: I think watching back sometimes I'd be like, Chad, I
Speaker 2: just want to see more emotion out of you, and
Speaker 2: you're a very like kind of chill guy, and I
Speaker 2: mean I don't want to put words in your mouth,
Speaker 2: but the way I saw it, it was like, that's
Speaker 2: how you express yourself.
Speaker 7: Right, I mean, yeah, it's been like that since I
Speaker 7: was little. I've been I started on piano when I
Speaker 7: was just like five years old. That's just always been Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's great outlet.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you bring up that Hannah like asked
Speaker 2: you to play for her, like she like enjoyed that,
Speaker 2: So I'm sure that encouraged you to do it more,
Speaker 2: knowing that it's something that she really liked that you did.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And there was times that like I didn't want
Speaker 7: to play because I was like, I don't want her
Speaker 7: to feel like this. I don't want her to feel
Speaker 7: like this, and her and I had conversations. She never
Speaker 7: felt that way. You never felt like I was showcasing.
Speaker 7: I can see where the world would would say that,
Speaker 7: because it's like almost every episode I came walking up
Speaker 7: with that guitar, and I saw so many memes like
Speaker 7: here comes to Jet with that damn guitar.
Speaker 4: I actually got a guitar, many guitar to the podcast
Speaker 4: with me. But no, I'm in look out there.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are just gonna I
Speaker 2: feel for you, like in a lot of the situation,
Speaker 2: I definitely think you mess like dub And I've said
Speaker 2: this already at the beginning.
Speaker 4: I'm you messed up with not being super honest about Haley.
Speaker 4: And I know you kind of.
Speaker 2: Think you were, but you weren't, you know, And I
Speaker 2: understand that that came from fear. But I don't blame
Speaker 2: you for the guitar, soft for any of that other stuff.
Speaker 2: Like I said, But one thing I do want to
Speaker 2: discuss is are you mad at Hannah? Like do you
Speaker 2: have anger towards her at this point?
Speaker 7: You know, I'm not angry at all. I think more
Speaker 7: than anything, I'm just really sad. I just feel, you
Speaker 7: know that, and just like I know she's sad and
Speaker 7: hurt too, and I know that she now has her
Speaker 7: closure and we'll move on and that's that's that's great.
Speaker 2: But the reason I asked, and this is why I ask,
Speaker 2: because people are gonna be like, what do you mean
Speaker 2: why would he be mad at Hannah? And the reason
Speaker 2: I asked that is because you did like some comments
Speaker 2: on Instagram of people saying she slept with you know,
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys.
Speaker 4: Two guys, Why did you do that?
Speaker 7: I tapped the comment to go see if he was
Speaker 7: replying to someone, and I liked it.
Speaker 1: You tapped the comment to see if who was replying.
Speaker 7: The comment rolled into my notifications. I tapped it. Wherever
Speaker 7: I tapped it, it liked it.
Speaker 5: Period.
Speaker 4: Did you not realize that?
Speaker 7: Or I had no idea until someone sent me an
Speaker 7: article to be like. They were like, why did you
Speaker 7: do that? And I was like, oh shit, Like I
Speaker 7: didn't mean to do that, wasn't I don't want to
Speaker 7: feel that way. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's
Speaker 7: like not easy to hear the things that I've heard
Speaker 7: watching back on the season. You know, it's like a
Speaker 7: really weird thing to see someone that you love so
Speaker 7: much be so open about other people.
Speaker 1: Are you referring to the windmill?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, it's like it's it's hard to hear.
Speaker 7: I know that's the name of the game, that's the show,
Speaker 7: but it's not easy to hear when it's so. That
Speaker 7: was a mistake, but I'll own it. I did like it.
Speaker 3: How many comments did you like like that? Was that
Speaker 3: the only one?
Speaker 5: I don't know?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's the only one I'm aware of. That's
Speaker 7: the only article I've seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get that that could be a mistake.
Speaker 2: I mean, but I also get and the reason I
Speaker 2: thought maybe he did like it is I understand how
Speaker 2: hurtful that would be, you know, I being a past specheler,
Speaker 2: I can say that if my who cares about my story.
Speaker 2: But if my top three guy hadn't left me, I
Speaker 2: would have slept with more than one person in the
Speaker 2: fantasy suite.
Speaker 4: I would have.
Speaker 2: I didn't because my guy left me, but I would
Speaker 2: have because I know how important physical intimacy is on
Speaker 2: the show, And if you're about to get engaged with someone,
Speaker 2: you probably want to know, like, do you have a
Speaker 2: physical connection. Yeah, but I also putting myself in the
Speaker 2: other people shoes because I left Top four when I
Speaker 2: was a contestant. That has got to sting. And I
Speaker 2: get that you have a lot of wrongs and you know,
Speaker 2: but it's still your human being and that's got to
Speaker 2: hurt too. Like, what did you did you feel anything
Speaker 2: when she's talking about two times in the windmill?
Speaker 5: Right? Well, it was actually four times.
Speaker 4: Well, but she said two times, you guys are already
Speaker 4: broken up. When she said four times, you'd already.
Speaker 2: Split up, but you are engaged when the two times thing?
Speaker 2: Or had you already split up? We had been split
Speaker 2: up at that point, So how did you feel?
Speaker 7: It was just, you know, I knew about Peter at
Speaker 7: that point. I didn't know the details. I didn't care
Speaker 7: to know the details because you know, I just don't
Speaker 7: really love to hear about that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's just weird, you know, it's weird.
Speaker 7: I think it would be weird for just about anyone
Speaker 7: to see someone that you care about a lot be
Speaker 7: open and talk about sleeping with someone else. And you know,
Speaker 7: that's her role and this was her journey and she's
Speaker 7: not wrong for doing it like there's nothing really wrong
Speaker 7: with it, but it does stink, you know. Just there's
Speaker 7: not really anything you can do to prepare yourself to
Speaker 7: watch someone you care about be open about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Allie asks you if you were angry at Hannah,
Speaker 3: But I guess my question is, can you blame Hannah
Speaker 3: for the way that she's reacted since finding out everything
Speaker 3: she did about Hayley?
Speaker 7: Absolutely not. She was very straightforward about how she wanted
Speaker 7: honesty and openness from the very beginning, from night one,
Speaker 7: she was open about that, so I can see entirely
Speaker 7: how and why she feels the way she feels right
Speaker 7: now or felt.
Speaker 1: I want to follow up on something you said on GMA.
Speaker 3: You know, when you were talking to Michael Strahan, you
Speaker 3: said to him that you had discussed.
Speaker 1: With Hannah Hayley.
Speaker 3: But did your discussions mirror the article that came out
Speaker 3: in People magazine.
Speaker 7: There was details in the article that, like I said before,
Speaker 7: I wasn't even considering her side or her feelings. I
Speaker 7: told her pretty much from my perspective what we were
Speaker 7: and what it felt like, without considering how she was feeling.
Speaker 7: And that's my fault, and I'll own up to it.
Speaker 3: I want to give you an opportunity to clear things up,
Speaker 3: because this is the first time you've really been able
Speaker 3: to just talk freely. You know, it's not a TV segment,
Speaker 3: it's an open conversation, and so I guess i'd also
Speaker 3: ask you, is there something yet that we haven't addressed
Speaker 3: that you want to clear up? Because everyone's been asking
Speaker 3: or assuming certain things.
Speaker 2: I think at this point you can assume that if
Speaker 2: there's a sick eleton in your closet, it's going to
Speaker 2: come out.
Speaker 7: At this point, absolutely, there's no I mean, I feel
Speaker 7: like We've touched a lot of the points that I've
Speaker 7: ever wanted to make that I've kept quiet over because
Speaker 7: all I wanted to do is mend the relationship with Hannah.
Speaker 7: I didn't come out and defend myself immediately.
Speaker 5: I could have.
Speaker 7: I could have came out and did any I could
Speaker 7: have defended myself off the bat with the Haley situation
Speaker 7: and spoke just on behalf of that. But what was
Speaker 7: important to me was Hannah and trying to fix that.
Speaker 5: And that's that's just it.
Speaker 2: Have you guys spoken since after the final rows at all?
Speaker 2: Or is your contact completely cut off?
Speaker 7: We haven't spoken, and you know, I feel like down
Speaker 7: the road we could have friendship. I mean, she's great
Speaker 7: and we have always got along, we have a great time.
Speaker 7: I think she's an amazing woman. She's strong, she killed
Speaker 7: her role at this. I mean, you can't ask for
Speaker 7: someone to be more passionate, more open, and she did
Speaker 7: everything in my opinion.
Speaker 5: Great.
Speaker 7: She did great, and I just I hope down the
Speaker 7: road that we can be friends.
Speaker 2: Do you think her and Tyler are going to end
Speaker 2: up together? How do you feel about that situation?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 7: Kind of, Like I said on Good Morning America, I
Speaker 7: just had a weird feeling going into after the final
Speaker 7: rows that something like that could happen. Tyler's an amazing guy.
Speaker 7: I don't fault her for saying what she did or
Speaker 7: asking him.
Speaker 2: Or has your relationship with any of the guys changed
Speaker 2: with all this coming out or have they been supportive?
Speaker 2: Because do you talk to the guys.
Speaker 7: I could not have asked for, honestly, a better group
Speaker 7: of people to go into this with. They've been supportive
Speaker 7: and high to me and you know, obviously offering their
Speaker 7: opinions on the situation, and you know, telling me things
Speaker 7: that you know are helpful and they've I mean they've
Speaker 7: they're great friends. I mean, obviously there's a couple that
Speaker 7: I don't talk to you as much.
Speaker 4: But yeah, assuming you don't talk to Luke.
Speaker 2: So, like, did any of the guys like call you
Speaker 2: out and say, hey, Jed, what the heck?
Speaker 4: Or were they like what did they say?
Speaker 7: No one called me out. It was it was more
Speaker 7: so just Nick Vile. None of the guys on my
Speaker 7: season has said anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because Nicholas, let's expect on that. I don't even
Speaker 4: know what you're talking about. What is Nick vild been?
Speaker 1: So let's talk about it. How do you Okay?
Speaker 3: So, I think it's great that you have received support
Speaker 3: from the guys from your season. And I'll be honest,
Speaker 3: I've talked to several guys for in your season, and
Speaker 3: they all have great things to say about you.
Speaker 1: Even when I tried to dig and tried to say
Speaker 1: but okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: Peter, he had great things to say about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're like, okay, but maybe this No, They're
Speaker 3: like we were.
Speaker 1: We lived with Jed. He's actually a really great guy.
Speaker 1: We understand what you've seen in the media.
Speaker 3: We understand, you know, certain things that have popped up
Speaker 3: but Jed is really a good person.
Speaker 1: Even Hannah said.
Speaker 3: You know, she fell in love with with the goodness,
Speaker 3: the good part of you. She knows it's in there
Speaker 3: for you and maybe this whole situation will prepare you
Speaker 3: for the next person, so she acknowledges it as well.
Speaker 1: But since you brought up Nick Vile, what what do
Speaker 1: you because that's whose season I was on.
Speaker 3: What what do you think about past contestants or past
Speaker 3: leads offering their opinion opinion in such a way, because
Speaker 3: you obviously feel strongly about things that he has said.
Speaker 2: And I think you know, obviously Rachel and I have
Speaker 2: this podcast and we are giving our opinion, so we're
Speaker 2: our opinion as alumni too. I think the difference is
Speaker 2: there's a way to be respectful about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, totally, and you guys do that perfectly in my opinion.
Speaker 7: I mean, everyone's entitled their opinion, and with social media,
Speaker 7: people are very quick to jump on what's the most
Speaker 7: popular thing happening and how they can either use it
Speaker 7: to benefit themselves, get retweets, to get retweets.
Speaker 5: To get likes.
Speaker 7: And I understand that I've been as of recently, the
Speaker 7: talk of the town, so I see why people are
Speaker 7: doing doing that. But it's like, get to know me
Speaker 7: before you talk shit. And if you come with my family, like,
Speaker 7: don't do that.
Speaker 4: Did he do that?
Speaker 7: I've seen him say some some slurs and stuff on
Speaker 7: Twitter and it's just, you know, it's like have some respect.
Speaker 1: So you feel like he's doing it to try to
Speaker 1: stay relevant.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, are you kidding me? That's what he thrives off.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I mean I'm with you. I uh,
Speaker 2: I mean, not with the knick thing. But I think
Speaker 2: people are not just social or not just past Bachelor
Speaker 2: contestants in general, people have this screen up when they're
Speaker 2: on the Internet and feel like they can.
Speaker 4: Say whatever they want.
Speaker 2: And the reason I'm so happy that you're here, Jed,
Speaker 2: is because not only have all the guys said great
Speaker 2: things about you, Hannah has said great things about you,
Speaker 2: despite how hurt she is. I'm you know, we're sitting
Speaker 2: here talking to you. We can see that you're a
Speaker 2: good person. Of course you're a good person. You just
Speaker 2: really fucked up.
Speaker 4: You did. I mean, can you say that right now
Speaker 4: that I messed up big time?
Speaker 7: I can see all my faults and like I said,
Speaker 7: I'm going to grow from it and it is going
Speaker 7: to make me a better person. It just it's crazy
Speaker 7: when it's in the public eye that you have to
Speaker 7: go through something.
Speaker 5: Like this and.
Speaker 7: Be open to everyone's opinions and judgment. But you know, absolutely,
Speaker 7: I can see all my faults.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jed, I think that you learn the hardest lesson
Speaker 3: on the biggest stage and it'll be something that you
Speaker 3: grow from at the end of the day. Like we
Speaker 3: talk about Hannah's strength and everything that she went through,
Speaker 3: and she did go through a lot, but at the
Speaker 3: same time, you have to be really strong on your end, and.
Speaker 1: She gave that to you.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: When she talked about Grace on the stage, she said,
Speaker 3: I know that you have a lot of critics. I
Speaker 3: have them too, but I know people are coming down
Speaker 3: on you, and I'll even be honest. When when she
Speaker 3: was on straight hand and Sarah, she said, I don't
Speaker 3: want to say anything about him because so many people
Speaker 3: are already coming at him.
Speaker 1: So it takes a lot of.
Speaker 3: Strength for you to be able to come sit with
Speaker 3: us have these tough conversations. But we thank you for it,
Speaker 3: and we thank you for being, you know, strong enough
Speaker 3: to tell your side of the story. I do want
Speaker 3: to ask you, though, what's next for you? I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people want to know what do you
Speaker 3: want to do now? Paradise just kidding.
Speaker 7: You know, Really, I just want to take the next
Speaker 7: bit and just focus on my spiritual and mental health.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 7: I mean, the weight of all this has been insane,
Speaker 7: and you know, I just want to surround myself with
Speaker 7: good people and really just work on my soul.
Speaker 4: And I'm glad you brought up mental health. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think people out there, anyone listening to this right
Speaker 2: now who maybe still feels angry with you, is that
Speaker 2: we need to think about people's mental health in this
Speaker 2: because I cannot imagine how you are feeling and how
Speaker 2: you've been feeling and having millions of people just judging
Speaker 2: you and saying terrible things about you. That is so hurtful.
Speaker 2: And we really need to think about mental health and
Speaker 2: what that can do to a person, because I know
Speaker 2: you're a strong guy, but that can break anybody.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I like to think that I am very
Speaker 7: you know, mentally strong, like in a lot of situations,
Speaker 7: and this has been extremely heavy, and you know, I
Speaker 7: want to talk for a second about like other people
Speaker 7: going through this. You know, I know that the Blake guy,
Speaker 7: he's fucked up and done some shit, and you know,
Speaker 7: I just think people need to, like, even though they
Speaker 7: don't agree with it or think it's terrible, just have
Speaker 7: a little grace because at the end of the day,
Speaker 7: like we're humans. I mean, same for Luke. I don't
Speaker 7: agree with him, not that, not the slightest bit do
Speaker 7: I agree with him, But we're humans where we have
Speaker 7: this this thing where it's easy to get caught up
Speaker 7: in what people are saying. And sure you can say
Speaker 7: that you're not going to look at it or that
Speaker 7: you ignore it, but that only goes for so long,
Speaker 7: and people need to realize how much words actually can
Speaker 7: affect someone's mental health and respect.
Speaker 4: That do you feel for Luke in this situation.
Speaker 7: Now that I've gone through the hate that I've gone through,
Speaker 7: you know, like even before I did, like I I
Speaker 7: it was just constant memes, constant shots, and you know,
Speaker 7: I've even taken some shots at him obviously, Like I
Speaker 7: didn't agree with the guy at all. But now that
Speaker 7: I have this perspective, I think people just need to
Speaker 7: have a little grace for everyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you cannot like somebody that's totally okay.
Speaker 2: Like, and you can say I don't understand why this
Speaker 2: person is here, but saying like they should jump off
Speaker 2: a bridge on social media is not okay.
Speaker 5: It's not okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a bit too far.
Speaker 7: So like that, you know that being said, Hannah has been,
Speaker 7: you know, being drilled the entire time, the entire season.
Speaker 5: Like yeah, yeah, Luke got it.
Speaker 7: Bad, I got it bad later. But she's had this
Speaker 7: judgment the entire time. Yeah, And I don't think there's
Speaker 7: anyone in this world that could have handled it the
Speaker 7: way she did. She was strong, she held true to herself,
Speaker 7: and you can't ask for more than that from someone.
Speaker 2: And I will say I have not agreed with a
Speaker 2: lot of the things Hannah has done throughout the season.
Speaker 2: I write a blog and on it, I have been
Speaker 2: extremely critical of some of the things that she has
Speaker 2: done throughout the season, but always in a respectful way,
Speaker 2: always in a way of I am behind her. I
Speaker 2: don't agree with the way she did this, but I
Speaker 2: know she's growing from this, And I think that's the difference.
Speaker 4: You don't have to like everybody, you don't have to
Speaker 4: agree with that.
Speaker 2: I do like Hannah, but You don't have to agree
Speaker 2: with what everybody's doing, but you just have to be
Speaker 2: realize they're real human beings like Rachel and I have
Speaker 2: been there. I mean, obviously not to the extent that
Speaker 2: you have experienced it, but honestly, I was a little
Speaker 2: hesitant to do this podcast. And the reason I was
Speaker 2: is because I was a bachelor I almost.
Speaker 4: Ten years ago.
Speaker 2: But I remember sitting at my computer and seeing the
Speaker 2: terrible things people were saying about me and crying my
Speaker 2: eyes out because yes, I'm strong, I've been strong my
Speaker 2: whole life, but oh my gosh, one person.
Speaker 4: Can only take so much.
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to do this podcast at first
Speaker 2: because I thought, oh my gosh, I'm putting myself back
Speaker 2: out there to be judged again by Bachelor Nation, which
Speaker 2: Bacheloration is incredible, but there's a handful of weeds among
Speaker 2: the flowers.
Speaker 1: That really a lot of weeds to dig.
Speaker 4: Would you say, Rachel, there's a lot of weeds? Is
Speaker 4: that what you said?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of weeds.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I mean, Rachel, how do you like? How is
Speaker 4: what do you care about?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 3: I am a very strong person, but at the same time,
Speaker 3: I absolutely have my moments where sometimes this becomes too
Speaker 3: much and it gets to me. And I think it's
Speaker 3: important to talk about because a lot of times people
Speaker 3: do just see me as strong, but this being in
Speaker 3: this world has affected me at the same time. And
Speaker 3: you know, like Ali said, we've both as leads have
Speaker 3: definitely been subject to a lot of criticism. And for
Speaker 3: me being the first black bachelorette, I was being criticized
Speaker 3: for things that I can't change.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm black. I can't change that.
Speaker 3: You know, I was born that way, and a lot
Speaker 3: of the criticism that came to me it was because
Speaker 3: of the way that I looked, or stereotype for because
Speaker 3: of the way I look that people place on black people.
Speaker 3: So it was I knew I would get it, but
Speaker 3: as much as you prepare yourself for it, you never
Speaker 3: are ready for it. And at the same time, it's
Speaker 3: like when people are praising you one second, you're also
Speaker 3: going to have.
Speaker 1: The flipping of people criticizing you.
Speaker 3: And it's a hard balance to have and the strongest
Speaker 3: person is affected by it. So I think it's really important.
Speaker 3: You know that we're having this conversation now and we're
Speaker 3: sharing our experiences at how tough. It is. I'm tough
Speaker 3: on people too. I'm tough, Jed. I think you handled
Speaker 3: this interview quite well.
Speaker 4: I was nervous for you, Jed, because of Rachel.
Speaker 3: I'm very I'm very direct, and I get that sometimes
Speaker 3: I fall victim of, you know, going after people without
Speaker 3: understanding it or realizing, Hey, Rachel, you know what it's
Speaker 3: like to be in that person's shoes and have people
Speaker 3: criticizing you for things they don't know or they don't
Speaker 3: know the whole story. So I think that it's important
Speaker 3: for hello, I'm talking to you, to realize that these
Speaker 3: people are We're human, and we mess up and we
Speaker 3: make mistakes, and we're making them on the biggest stage.
Speaker 3: So at times, give us a break.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2: Do see sometimes I will say, I mean I haven't
Speaker 2: read any of Nick's tweets, but people do kind of
Speaker 2: jump on the bandwagon of like whatever Bachelor Nation's feeling
Speaker 2: and to you know, just kind of follow along with that.
Speaker 2: I don't do that, Like if I'm going to tweet
Speaker 2: or put something on Instagram, I feel like I'll do
Speaker 2: it as Again, I don't agree with this, but I
Speaker 2: massage it a little bit. I realize that the person
Speaker 2: I'm talking about is me just like me, you know,
Speaker 2: like because I've been there, so it's it's hard for
Speaker 2: me sometimes when past contestants are so ruthless because they've
Speaker 2: been there totally and they know how.
Speaker 5: Much it hurts totally.
Speaker 7: And like I've taken shots at Luke on Twitter and
Speaker 7: it's like it's just like an easy thing to do,
Speaker 7: but it's not right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's not always right.
Speaker 3: I definitely say some very blunt things, but I think.
Speaker 1: As long as you're funny, it softens enough.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, I'm like again, I always go back to I'm
Speaker 2: the mom of this podcast, Like I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 2: I always think of that person my son or my daughter,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: But none of us are perfect. I'm sure at some
Speaker 4: point for sure.
Speaker 2: Definitely past seasons, I've said some things that were mean,
Speaker 2: you know, if I had an opinion, and.
Speaker 4: I think you just learned, like you said, I mean,
Speaker 4: the whole.
Speaker 2: Point of this, I mean, I think your story, Jed
Speaker 2: is that nobody is perfect and we all mess up,
Speaker 2: all of us. Just you know, we have millions of
Speaker 2: people to let us know when.
Speaker 4: We did it. Absolutely, and your mistake you exactly.
Speaker 7: Everyone can change, everyone can grow, and you got to
Speaker 7: just focus on that.
Speaker 2: Well. I hope people listening to this know that your
Speaker 2: mistakes do not define you. And I can say that
Speaker 2: sitting with you right now, I can tell and feel
Speaker 2: the good energy from you, and I see what Hannah
Speaker 2: saw on you stup. But you're human and you've admitted it.
Speaker 2: That's what else can you do. And I can say confidently,
Speaker 2: I think that whoever you do end up with is
Speaker 2: going to be a very lucky girl, because I think
Speaker 2: you're going to be pretty dang and honest with that person.
Speaker 4: You're going to be like it is I just like
Speaker 4: I looked at another girl and I saw her cleavage.
Speaker 4: I had to tell you because I don't want you
Speaker 4: to think I'm lying, like you're going to be really honest.
Speaker 2: Jed.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's not easy to do what you're doing right now,
Speaker 2: and we really appreciate you telling your story here.
Speaker 4: First.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, thank you all for having me.
Speaker 7: You know, it's it's been heavy on my heart to
Speaker 7: be able to kind of open up about everything, and
Speaker 7: I appreciate you all giving me the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1: Here absolutely, Thank you Jed.
Speaker 3: We definitely wish you the very best in the future,
Speaker 3: and we'll see you at the dock.
Speaker 4: I love meditation too, so I love that you do that.
Speaker 2: And I will say to all of you guys listening,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for tuning into this very special
Speaker 2: edition of a Bachelor Happy Hour. And actually we're gonna
Speaker 2: be back with our regular podcast next week and we
Speaker 2: have Demi and Caylen from Bachelor in Paradise on the show.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to Demi about her groundbit breaking Paradise journey,
Speaker 2: which is very cool, and how her family reacted to
Speaker 2: her telling the world that she had been dating a
Speaker 2: woman prior to coming to Paradise.
Speaker 1: And also, you.
Speaker 3: Guys, Caylen will be here, and from the looks of it,
Speaker 3: she got all caught up in the Blake drama that
Speaker 3: is all the talk in Paradise, and we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about that with her.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're gonna we're gonna have grace for Blake, but
Speaker 2: we're also gonna call him a jerk and you'll find
Speaker 2: out why.
Speaker 4: So in the meantime.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, guys, you can get all the latest
Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation news on Bachelornation dot com right now and
Speaker 2: follow us on social media because actually, Jed, before we
Speaker 2: came into this interview, I like pulled my followers and
Speaker 2: asked them what questions we should ask you. So some
Speaker 2: of those questions came from my followers.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you brought that up, Alli, because we
Speaker 3: want to hear from you guys, and we want you
Speaker 3: to tell us what we like and what you don't
Speaker 3: like about the show. So tell us more of that.
Speaker 1: We want to hear it.
Speaker 3: You can email us at happy Hour at bachelornation dot com,
Speaker 3: or you can visit us at bachelornation dot com and
Speaker 3: click podcasts.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely do that. Send us all the emails we want.
Speaker 2: We want all of them.
Speaker 4: So thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 2: This was really really great, Jed, thank you again, and
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