WEBVTT - A Look Back: The Jed Wyatt Interview

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Rachel and I'm Allie and welcome you guys to

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<v Speaker 2>a very special edition of Bachelor Happy Hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Very special edition.

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<v Speaker 3>It is Ali because normally when we bring you a

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<v Speaker 3>new podcast, we bring it to you every week, but

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes if something big happens, which is what we promised

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<v Speaker 3>you when we have breaking news, we will bring it

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<v Speaker 3>to you, and that's what we're bringing to you right

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<v Speaker 3>now in this extra special edition.

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<v Speaker 4>Rachel is in New York, so she's calling in.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Rachel, Yeah, Alie, I could not miss this.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, we really knew that you all

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<v Speaker 2>have so many questions about Jed and the Hannah situation,

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<v Speaker 2>and we wanted to get answers for you guys, so

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<v Speaker 2>we decided instead of waiting until next week for our podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were going to have this special I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we'd like to say emergency edition of a Bachelor Happy Hour,

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<v Speaker 2>so you guys can get your questions answered. Jed flew

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<v Speaker 2>in last night to Los Angeles and he is coming.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sitting down with us. Actually he's sitting right across

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<v Speaker 2>from you right now, so let me not talk about

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<v Speaker 2>him like he's in the third person. Jed welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>our podcast. Thank you so much for being here.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you all so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we know you're tired, we know you're exhausted.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't want to take up a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 3>your time, but we definitely just want to get right

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<v Speaker 3>to it.

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<v Speaker 6>Right Ali, Yes, all right, Okay, So I think first,

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<v Speaker 6>just to start it off, what do you want people

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<v Speaker 6>to know right now?

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<v Speaker 7>I think the main thing really is just how how

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<v Speaker 7>sorry I am.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I've just.

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<v Speaker 7>Really had time to think about the things that have

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<v Speaker 7>happened and how Hannah has felt, and you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 7>very remorseful and ultimately just want to become a better

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<v Speaker 7>person because of all this, and that's really my main

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<v Speaker 7>thing right now.

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<v Speaker 3>But Jed, you know, we we I saw your interview

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<v Speaker 3>on GMA, we watched it. We saw you on AFR

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<v Speaker 3>where you apologized, and I feel like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we've gotten from you.

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<v Speaker 3>You seem very sincere, you seem very remorseful about the

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<v Speaker 3>whole situation and how it went down, and we understand

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<v Speaker 3>that absolutely. I feel like there's more to it. We've

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<v Speaker 3>heard you apologize, but we haven't heard your side of

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<v Speaker 3>the story, and we really want to give you a

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<v Speaker 3>chance for you to just speak freely and tell your

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<v Speaker 3>side of what happened, because I don't think anybody's heard

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<v Speaker 3>it to this point.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and Jed too.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, like, I want you to feel

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable in this situation because I feel for you, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, like you have been like I what you

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<v Speaker 2>did obviously is wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You apologize for it very sincerely, I believe, And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even fault you.

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<v Speaker 4>For going on the show for your music.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been very vocal about this since the notion that

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<v Speaker 2>people go on the show because they want to have

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<v Speaker 2>a good time. Nobody goes on the show thinking they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to fall in love and then they do and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh my gosh, this works.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't believe it works. So I don't fault you.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had a music career now in the Bachelor

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<v Speaker 2>asked me to come on, I'd be like to my husband, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>can you just hang tight because I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 4>Go on a Bachelor. So I don't even fault you

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<v Speaker 4>for that. But that's what I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Like, like, where do you feel like it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of all really messed up, really got messed up

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<v Speaker 2>for you, like, just talk us through all of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>So, like I like I told Hannah, you know I did.

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<v Speaker 7>I did show up because I knew it was a platform.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew that.

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<v Speaker 7>It had a lot of opportunities for adventure. And then

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<v Speaker 7>coming out of it, you know, all the people that

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<v Speaker 7>I've seen seem like they have like a pretty amazing life.

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<v Speaker 7>So that was all very intriguing to me. I was

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<v Speaker 7>reached out to to do the show, I didn't sign up,

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<v Speaker 7>and I just really felt like it was something I

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<v Speaker 7>was supposed to do. It just landed in my lap.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, once I was there and I saw

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<v Speaker 7>how emotional Hannah was and how passionate she was about

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<v Speaker 7>the whole thing, it kind of hit me. I was like,

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<v Speaker 7>I can remember it. I believe it was like within

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<v Speaker 7>the second week that you know, this is real, This

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<v Speaker 7>is a this is a real person. Though I don't

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<v Speaker 7>know her that well, we haven't had much time to talk,

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<v Speaker 7>I can see that her heart really.

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<v Speaker 5>Is in this.

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<v Speaker 7>And that was kind of the turning point for me

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<v Speaker 7>that I was like, you know what, I want to

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<v Speaker 7>really investigate this more, and you know, going forward, I

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<v Speaker 7>could feel myself falling so I wanted to be honest

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<v Speaker 7>with her, and if that meant her sitting me home immediately,

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<v Speaker 7>then so be it. But I wanted her to know

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<v Speaker 7>the honest truth as to why I showed up. And

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<v Speaker 7>you know, going forward, you know, people ask me now, like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, you were so honest about that, why weren't

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<v Speaker 7>too honest about the whole Haley situation? And in my head,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I had more closure than Haley. I felt like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, we had a conversation on the phone once

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<v Speaker 7>I landed in LA and we knew that I was

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<v Speaker 7>stepping into a very unforeseen future that anything could happen.

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<v Speaker 7>We had talked about all the variables and you know,

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<v Speaker 7>be that like if they wanted me to be a

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<v Speaker 7>bachelor or something, or paradise or anything falling in love,

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<v Speaker 7>like it was all discussed and understood that you know,

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<v Speaker 7>who knows, right?

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<v Speaker 2>So was that's a great, great question. I love that

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<v Speaker 2>you just shared that, because then let's look at the

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<v Speaker 2>I love you right before? So was that like a

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<v Speaker 2>goodbye I love you?

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<v Speaker 3>It was?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. I really did care for Haley. You know, we

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<v Speaker 7>we had a great time together. Obviously, going on the show,

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<v Speaker 7>there was not stable ground to actually commit to an

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<v Speaker 7>exclusive relationship together like we just we never did that.

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<v Speaker 7>So I mean I did love her, I did care

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<v Speaker 7>for her. She's a great person. I will not talk

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<v Speaker 7>bad about her. There's nothing bad to be said. But

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<v Speaker 7>in my head, we had more closure than I think

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<v Speaker 7>she did. I felt like we had more closure than

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<v Speaker 7>I guess she did. So, you know, going into the journey,

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<v Speaker 7>it wasn't crossing my mind because you know, I felt

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<v Speaker 7>like we understood that anything could happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, obviously, go ahead, Rachel.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I just want to ask you this just piggybacking

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<v Speaker 3>on what you mentioned before.

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<v Speaker 1>When you left that note to Haley and you make.

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<v Speaker 3>Comments that are like you know where my heart will

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<v Speaker 3>be and I'll see you at the dock. That sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like you're trying to you plan on returning to her.

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<v Speaker 3>So if that's how you left her, how do you

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<v Speaker 3>explain that? What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 7>I think actually, I know I was just really kind

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<v Speaker 7>of talking out of my ass. I don't really know

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<v Speaker 7>why I would say something like that when you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't know what I was getting into at all.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I had not watched collectively, I've probably seen maybe

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<v Speaker 7>three episodes of the show in my life. I had

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<v Speaker 7>no idea what I was getting into, and you know,

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<v Speaker 7>just I thought I was showing up for a platform,

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<v Speaker 7>and then I met Hannah and completely fell in love

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<v Speaker 7>and I was like, you know, wow, this is like

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<v Speaker 7>completely unexpected.

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<v Speaker 1>So but Jed, yeah, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll just preface this by saying I don't agree

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<v Speaker 3>with Ali.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a different view of how I.

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<v Speaker 3>Interpret the situation. Sure, and so when you say I

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<v Speaker 3>too as well. Did not watch the show before I

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<v Speaker 3>was on it, But I understood that the concept of

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<v Speaker 3>the show, which I'm I'm sure you did too as well, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I understood that how the show works.

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<v Speaker 7>For the for the most part, I thought I understood.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know, it's one of those things that want

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<v Speaker 7>even even if you think you get it, once you're there,

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<v Speaker 7>it's a completely different situation.

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<v Speaker 4>And I get that.

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<v Speaker 3>I know the show is about people are finding love

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>You did know that, right, yep?

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<v Speaker 7>Go ahead, Jed, Yeah, absolutely, Like I could see that entirely.

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<v Speaker 7>But it's like I had no idea that it would

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<v Speaker 7>actually be possible in that setting, like it just would

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<v Speaker 7>you when even with watching like I didn't watch the

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<v Speaker 7>show much because to me, it didn't seem real. Like

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<v Speaker 7>when you watch the edits and you see how people

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<v Speaker 7>act and react, it looks like it looks fake. And

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<v Speaker 7>I had people in my ear prior to the show

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<v Speaker 7>telling me it's scripted, that there's going to be people

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<v Speaker 7>coming at you trying to fight you. On night one, like,

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<v Speaker 7>I had all these variables going through my head and

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<v Speaker 7>I had literally no idea what I was getting into.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that's fair Jed, Like I will say, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know that I went on the show thinking it was

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<v Speaker 2>BS like I didn't think that I was actually I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I did fall in love with Jason Mesnick' story again

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<v Speaker 2>this is way back in the day, but like, again.

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<v Speaker 4>Did not.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most people don't go on the show for love,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>That's my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>So I truly don't fault you for it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's interesting. I think a lot of viewers watched

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<v Speaker 2>the show and wonder is it scripted?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it fake? And it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>But you don't realize that until you get there. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't realize that the emotions are real, the feelings are real.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel that I think jed for me like

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<v Speaker 2>I have been, and maybe people get mad at me

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<v Speaker 2>for this, I've actually been quite a cheerleader for you,

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<v Speaker 2>you like, in terms of I don't blame you for

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<v Speaker 2>going on the show for music. When you came out

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<v Speaker 2>with that information to Hannah, I was like, heck, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>finally somebody says the truth. They didn't come on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Show for love.

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<v Speaker 2>So I actually really appreciated that. I think for me

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<v Speaker 2>where all sort of fell apart was I know you

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<v Speaker 2>say you didn't want to tell Hannah out of fear,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you had to have realized when the information

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<v Speaker 2>came out at that point, the fear is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>out the window. I mean, so why then still were

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<v Speaker 2>you sort of not being completely because even when you

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<v Speaker 2>sat down with her, not after the final rows, before that,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you were trying to talk your way.

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<v Speaker 7>Aroun That was one of the hardest conversations I've had

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<v Speaker 7>in my life. And if it seemed like I was

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<v Speaker 7>dancing around anything, it was simply because there were cameras

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<v Speaker 7>in my face and I'm sitting there with someone that

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<v Speaker 7>I wanted to spend the rest of my life with,

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<v Speaker 7>feeling like it's falling apart and not knowing how to

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<v Speaker 7>handle it.

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<v Speaker 5>It was just so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you not watch it?

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<v Speaker 7>I've I couldn't. To be honest, I couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean this has all been so much, and especially

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<v Speaker 7>going into you know, it was first aired when you know,

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<v Speaker 7>right before I went to after the Final Rose, and

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<v Speaker 7>I was in my trailer, so I couldn't watch it live,

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<v Speaker 7>so I just walked in there kind of blind.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I mean I think we saw some emotion.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you said I don't want to cry, and

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<v Speaker 2>we saw a few tears, but I think what we

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted to see, like as a viewer, was your

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<v Speaker 2>fighting for the woman that you love in that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel you gave it your all to say

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<v Speaker 2>that relationship?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean I had let her know that I would

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<v Speaker 7>you do anything. I would come to LA to Alabama.

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<v Speaker 7>I would have done like literally anything to sit down

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<v Speaker 7>and have a conversation with her. And this is you know,

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<v Speaker 7>prior to or this is after the where she broke

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<v Speaker 7>the engagement. Leading up to that point, she didn't want

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<v Speaker 7>to talk. She needed space and I understood that. So

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<v Speaker 7>I mean I would have done literally anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, did did your family your family had to have

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<v Speaker 4>known about Haley, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean they knew exactly what we were and they

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<v Speaker 7>knew that it was not a relationship.

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<v Speaker 5>They knew they knew like every bit of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, because I assume maybe when during your hometown that

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<v Speaker 2>the reason they were hesitant is because they're like, well, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>he was just in another relationship. Like did your sister,

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<v Speaker 2>your mom, or anybody off camera say, hey, whoa, you

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<v Speaker 2>were just in a relationship. No.

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<v Speaker 7>The only thing they were saying to me off camera

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<v Speaker 7>was is this real? Do you really feel this way?

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<v Speaker 7>They were just skeptical to the whole, Like there's cameras around,

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<v Speaker 7>there's lights, there's people running around our house. I walk

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<v Speaker 7>in with a girl I'm filling head over heels about

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<v Speaker 7>and they were just totally blown away. It wasn't like

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<v Speaker 7>when I watched back on that, especially with the whole

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<v Speaker 7>Haley thing coming out, I can see where people would

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<v Speaker 7>say they knew or it felt like they were acting

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<v Speaker 7>the way they did because of that, and that was

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<v Speaker 7>not the case at all. Like I talked to them after,

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, be honest with me, was any of

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<v Speaker 7>this because of that situation?

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<v Speaker 3>And it just wasn't well, then, Jed, why did Hannah

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<v Speaker 3>say when she was sitting with you in the house

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<v Speaker 3>and you all were discussing the People magazine and Haley

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<v Speaker 3>and everything with that, Why did Hannah say, no, wonder

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<v Speaker 3>your family was acting like that? Because obviously it's something

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<v Speaker 3>that she felt as well.

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, I think it was just the to the moment

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<v Speaker 7>and that discussion, because like I said, it was the

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<v Speaker 7>hardest conversation that we have ever had and.

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<v Speaker 5>The weight of it.

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<v Speaker 7>I can see where she would be led to feel

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<v Speaker 7>that way, but I know for a fact that that

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Jed.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you this, and I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 3>back a bit because I told you, Ali and I

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<v Speaker 3>have differing views on how this whole thing played out.

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<v Speaker 3>When I am like you, I came onto the show skeptical,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't believe it could work out, but was open to

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<v Speaker 3>whatever opportunity presented itself, whether that be love, whether that

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<v Speaker 3>be friendship, whether that be a platform after this, like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, and I think that's how most people come

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<v Speaker 3>on the show. I think what gets me about the

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<v Speaker 3>way you came on the show, coupled with the messages

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<v Speaker 3>that we saw from Haley, is that you admit that

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<v Speaker 3>you came on the show with different motives. You came

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<v Speaker 3>on the show technically to deceive Hannah, right, You just

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<v Speaker 3>happened to fall in love with her as the show

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<v Speaker 3>went on, and you were pleasantly surprised. So I guess

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<v Speaker 3>my question, and maybe this is a burning question for

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people out there, how did you envision

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<v Speaker 3>this going?

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<v Speaker 5>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>How far were you willing to take it to grow

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<v Speaker 3>your platform? Because that was your initial intention to come

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<v Speaker 3>on the show.

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<v Speaker 7>What I had told a lot of people prior to

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<v Speaker 7>going on this show, like all my friends, was you

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<v Speaker 7>know that I am open, like you said, to anything

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<v Speaker 7>that could happen, and if it was love, I just

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<v Speaker 7>I would tell everyone I just don't see that happening.

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<v Speaker 7>There's no way that that could happen in that setting.

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<v Speaker 7>I was open to the idea, though, And were you Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, did Haley know that?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I just feel like everything that you've said has

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<v Speaker 3>been I came on for the platform. I've never heard

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<v Speaker 3>you say that you were open to finding love on

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<v Speaker 3>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just want to be clear.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, Well, God knows if it's still there or not.

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<v Speaker 7>But when I had my interviews in Nashville when they

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<v Speaker 7>kind of did like my hometown.

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<v Speaker 5>Piece think.

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<v Speaker 7>When I was interviewed there, I can remember being asked

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<v Speaker 7>if or if I thought that it would be possible

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<v Speaker 7>to fall in love there, and I remember being just like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I'm open to it. I just I doubt it.

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<v Speaker 7>I just I didn't believe in it. I didn't think

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<v Speaker 7>it was going to be possible, and my heart was

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<v Speaker 7>open to it, and I talked to multiple people and

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<v Speaker 7>said that I was open to the idea of it.

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<v Speaker 7>I just didn't feel like it was feasible.

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<v Speaker 3>So and I think another question that people want to

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<v Speaker 3>know is if you came on the show for a platform,

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<v Speaker 3>why didn't you just go on American Idol or the

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<v Speaker 3>voice I have?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I was it just landed in my lap.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, like I said, it wasn't like I was

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<v Speaker 7>out scouting for TV shows to go onto. I was,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I was happy, I was living life and

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<v Speaker 7>I was reached out to to do it and it

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<v Speaker 7>just kind of landed in my lap. So I felt

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<v Speaker 7>like it was kind of a god thing and I

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<v Speaker 7>just ran with it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fair, do you My one thing I've really been

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<v Speaker 2>wondering because I really think about Haley and this, right

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<v Speaker 2>she it seems like her.

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<v Speaker 4>Heart was broken in this. Absolutely have you talked to her.

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<v Speaker 7>We have ran into each other and passing and talked briefly,

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<v Speaker 7>but I haven't had the chance to like really go

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<v Speaker 7>into any of this.

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<v Speaker 4>I want, where where did you see each other?

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<v Speaker 5>We ran into each other at a bar and.

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<v Speaker 4>What like what was said? Because it was this before

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<v Speaker 4>after she gave her story.

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<v Speaker 5>This was before she gave her story. Oh right, So.

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<v Speaker 7>She came up to me and you know, we're surrounded

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<v Speaker 7>by people. This is like right when I got back

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<v Speaker 7>from the show. I believe one episode had played at

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<v Speaker 7>this point, and people were like videoing me standing there.

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<v Speaker 7>I was trying to have some conversation with my friends,

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<v Speaker 7>and she walked right up to me and she was like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, you weren't going to call you weren't going

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<v Speaker 7>to like say anything, And I just told her that

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't feel like this was the time or place

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<v Speaker 7>to have this conversation. And after that I kind of

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<v Speaker 7>discussed with Hannah that she had been I had heard

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<v Speaker 7>that she was throwing fits at bars and like throwing

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<v Speaker 7>beer bottles and like making a scene, so I knew

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<v Speaker 7>she was obviously pissed and rightfully so, and I felt

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<v Speaker 7>like that was the point where I wanted to like

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<v Speaker 7>say something, and.

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<v Speaker 4>So Hannah to Haley.

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<v Speaker 7>So I discussed with Hannah that I think that I

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<v Speaker 7>should have this conversation with her. And Hannah was, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>kind of brushing it off and making jokes about it.

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<v Speaker 7>But we came to terms that I should just give

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<v Speaker 7>her a call. So I did give Haley a call,

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<v Speaker 7>and she ignored it and never called me back.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, So I guess my question is, then, at

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<v Speaker 3>that point, were you afraid that you heard that.

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<v Speaker 1>Haley was causing a scene, you know, in Nashville.

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<v Speaker 3>Were you afraid at that point that maybe she might

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<v Speaker 3>do something bigger?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you think she might go to the press?

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<v Speaker 7>I really honestly didn't think. So.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So you said that you talked to Hannah prior to.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I think and correct me if I have the

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<v Speaker 1>timeline wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe a couple of days after the proposal you

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<v Speaker 3>told Hannah about this girl Haley.

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<v Speaker 7>No, actually I told her the morning after our engagement,

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<v Speaker 7>and we were laying in bed and we started disgusting

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<v Speaker 7>or disgusting talking about our past relationships and I ran

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<v Speaker 7>her through literally everything that I have done, like my mistakes,

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<v Speaker 7>this the stages of just like sleeping around the people

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<v Speaker 7>I loved, thought I love like. We talked about everything.

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<v Speaker 7>I'd never been honestly so open about my past as

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<v Speaker 7>someone ever felt like I even could. I was just

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<v Speaker 7>I felt like I could be completely open. So we

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<v Speaker 7>talked about that and when we talked about Hailey, but

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<v Speaker 7>I really gave more so my perspective on our relationship.

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<v Speaker 7>And I could see now, like I can see now

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<v Speaker 7>that I was not being mindful to how Haley was feeling.

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<v Speaker 7>I was giving my side, my closure, my idea, but

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<v Speaker 7>without thinking about how she might.

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<v Speaker 5>Have been feeling in the situation.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know now I see that she was hurt

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<v Speaker 7>and that you know my behavior and words at times

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<v Speaker 7>we're misleading. But like I said, in my head, I

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<v Speaker 7>felt like we had said our goodbyes and known that

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<v Speaker 7>or knew that I was going to step into this

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<v Speaker 7>unforeseen future.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the hard part is with that is and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the thing. You're twenty five, right, You're twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a musician. You know in Nashville when I was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five, I mean, when I was twenty.

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<v Speaker 4>Five, I was the bechel Ritte. But right before that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm going out, I'm partying, I'm dating guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dating multiple guys, like you know, I think Rachel's

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<v Speaker 2>actually talked about this.

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<v Speaker 4>Why we think that, maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's the age on the show should be

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<v Speaker 2>a higher age because at that age you're still kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stall having fun, right, So I get all of

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<v Speaker 2>that completely.

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<v Speaker 4>I think what the hard part.

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<v Speaker 2>Is to understand is the saying like I'll wait for

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<v Speaker 2>you to meet you at the dock or I remember

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<v Speaker 2>what you said, and then thinking that that was and

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<v Speaker 2>then going and telling Hannah you know you thought that

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<v Speaker 2>it was over right, Like, I don't understand. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>connect those two things, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>And I think a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>People listening are and I think that same thing. So

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<v Speaker 2>I want to give you the opportunity to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>explain that, right.

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<v Speaker 7>I would really like to touch on the dock. And

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of people will probably not believe this, but

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<v Speaker 7>if you went to Haley and even asked her, she

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<v Speaker 7>would tell you the truth on this, I would hope.

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<v Speaker 7>But the doc is a metaphorical think for meditation that

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<v Speaker 7>I taught her.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what it was.

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<v Speaker 7>It was not a physical doc, and to the public eye,

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<v Speaker 7>it's going to look like an actual doc. And when

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<v Speaker 7>I read that note back, I was like, damn it,

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<v Speaker 7>that looks like I'm saying, let's meet at this dock.

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<v Speaker 7>But I practiced meditation. I'm passionate about it. It was

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<v Speaker 7>something that I taught her to do to go to

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<v Speaker 7>this dock in her mind and to like sit there

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<v Speaker 7>and be at peace.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's that's what that was.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish you came out and said that right away,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's so interesting, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 7>I think I just like, when I read it back,

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, there's no way anyone would ever believe

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<v Speaker 7>me on this, but it's the truth.

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<v Speaker 5>Like it's the truth.

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<v Speaker 7>I would take a light detector test, like I would

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<v Speaker 7>do anything like to say or to prove that that

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<v Speaker 7>is true. And I know that Haley, you know, despite

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<v Speaker 7>all this and her anger and being hurt, I know

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<v Speaker 7>she would tell the truth and say that that was

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<v Speaker 7>a metaphor.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I actually believe you. I'm looking at you, staring.

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<v Speaker 2>You directly in the eyes, and I can tell you're

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<v Speaker 2>telling the truth. Right now, So I a one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent believe you, and I think that does make it different.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think I'm glad you're getting the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>share that because I think saying you've been very clear

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<v Speaker 2>that you loved her, or at least what you thought

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<v Speaker 2>was love at the time, and saying I'll meet you

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<v Speaker 2>at the dock, and seeing that's a meditation point like that,

0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I can see that as almost like a goodbye.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm kind of doing this unknown, like I don't know

0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:47.639
<v Speaker 4>what's going to happen for us.

0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.800
<v Speaker 2>I see that now, But what I didn't I didn't

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.400
<v Speaker 2>see it when I thought you were literally meeting her at.

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<v Speaker 5>A doc I know.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's what like when I read the note back,

0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 7>I was like God, like, literally everyone is going to

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<v Speaker 7>think this and not.

0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Believe this, But well, sorry, Jed, go ahead, no, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to understand that. The first sentence before that

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:09.879
<v Speaker 3>is you know where my heart will be?

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like you owe Haley an apology? And

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:13.920
<v Speaker 2>are you going to talk to her?

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 7>I really just need time to digest everything that has happened. Obviously,

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.399
<v Speaker 7>it's been a lot. It's been a lot for Hannah.

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.480
<v Speaker 7>It's been a lot for our famili has been a

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 7>lot for me, and you know, I would like to

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:31.720
<v Speaker 7>say my piece to.

0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 5>Her, but it would just take time. I just need time.

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Once you proposed to Hannah and then the next

0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.879
<v Speaker 3>day you told Hannah about Hailey, then you went home,

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:49.399
<v Speaker 3>were you like, oh god, what like I have to

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.960
<v Speaker 3>tell Haley something like why.

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Did you decide to ghost her?

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.040
<v Speaker 3>I guess I'm more thinking, did you ever think at

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.879
<v Speaker 3>some point I have to confront Haley again?

0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:04.480
<v Speaker 7>I felt like I had closure. It's like, it's clear

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 7>to me that she did not at all. Obviously, but

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.560
<v Speaker 7>due to our discussions about me stepping into this unforeseen

0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:14.360
<v Speaker 7>future and that anything could happen, I really and honestly

0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:22.200
<v Speaker 7>assumed that, you know, it was understood that whatever happens happens,

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.159
<v Speaker 7>and we wanted the best for one another.

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:28.439
<v Speaker 3>So you truly felt like I just want to be

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:32.439
<v Speaker 3>clear that when you since you whatever happens happened, and

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 3>what happened was so you were engaged to Hannah. You

0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 3>felt like the door was closed with Haley at that

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 3>point and you didn't know her an explanation.

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:46.120
<v Speaker 7>Like I said, again, we had closure over the phone.

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.159
<v Speaker 7>I kind of thought that that was what it was like.

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 7>We knew that anything could happen, and we wanted the

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 7>best for each other, and not out of disrespect, not

0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 7>out of like hate or anger. We just understood that,

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 7>you know, anything could happen. And I mean, I now

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:08.679
<v Speaker 7>see that I was, you know, well, I wasn't like

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 7>wrong for feeling how I felt because I cared about

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.159
<v Speaker 7>her and I told her that and I was clearly

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 7>open about that to her. But I can see how

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 7>she's hurt. Like I understand all of that.

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.719
<v Speaker 2>Jedda, I believe you, and I guess the reason I

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 2>just I feel so much for you in the situation

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 2>is because I could have been in your situation because

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:32.919
<v Speaker 2>I have been very open that I had a boyfriend

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 2>before I went on the show. He treated me like

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 2>dirt and cheated on me like every weekend. But I

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:39.399
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get out of the relationship, so I went on

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 2>The Bachelor to get out of that relationship to help

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 2>me move on. I think the last text I sent

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 2>before I went on the show was I love you

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 2>to him. I'm actually pretty sure it was. So I

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.200
<v Speaker 2>think people are going to have a hard time understanding

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.560
<v Speaker 2>and I don't because again, I've been in your shoes

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of, but people are still and I feel like

0:25:58.240 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to put words in your mouth, but I

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:04.199
<v Speaker 2>feel like I understand that, whereas people listening are going

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 2>to be like, I still don't get it. You don't

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 2>say I love you, and you know what I said before,

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll meet you at the dock or whatever something else,

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 2>you know where my heart, my heart.

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.199
<v Speaker 3>Will be at the dock, Like, well, where was the

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 3>text message that said whatever happens happens.

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Where was the text? I think that's where people get lost.

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 3>Where's the text message that says, you know, I'm open

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 3>to whatever.

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 1>We have an understanding.

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 3>That's what's lacking, right, And I think that's what's hard

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 3>for people to understand.

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that I doubt you, Jed.

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying that, you know, when it comes to

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:41.639
<v Speaker 3>the hard facts and the evidence, we only see lawyer

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Rachel that Hale oh yeah, side that Hailey's bringing. But

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 3>I will say that I truly do believe that you

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.439
<v Speaker 3>fell in love with Hannah on the show, and I

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:54.919
<v Speaker 3>think Ali and I both agree with that.

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I believe you fell in love with her.

0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 3>I believe that you got scared when when you know

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 3>by the love that you were feeling, and then by

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 3>knowing what you had left at home, and you just

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 3>kind of it seems like you just panicked and thought,

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe it'll all just disappear, right.

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 7>I'll say this, I don't think you have to be

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 7>in a labeled relationship to love someone.

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.119
<v Speaker 5>I really don't. And that was the case.

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 7>And I'm also confused as to why everyone thinks that

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.719
<v Speaker 7>has to be in text for it to have been

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 7>a conversation. We had conversation, face to face, conversation about

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 7>what could happen, and just because it's not out there

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 7>in a text message doesn't mean that that wasn't the case.

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:45.679
<v Speaker 2>So have you thought about reaching out to Haley and

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 2>being like, hey, like you, can you come forward with

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the truth, because what you're saying is necessarily not you know,

0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Can you say these conversations? Can you let people know

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 2>that we had these conversations? You've thought about just asking

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 2>her that because you're obviously being very.

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:05.400
<v Speaker 4>Nice about her. You say she's a great girl.

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to say anything bad. So I'm guessing

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 2>she's pretty pissed at you. But have you considered just

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 2>being like, hey, do you mind sharing that other side

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>of the story. I get that you were hurt when

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 2>you saw I went on the show and actually did,

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 2>because she's probably hurt that you did fall in love.

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she didn't think you would and she thought

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 2>you were coming home to her. That seems like that's

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 2>the scenario here. So have you thought about reaching out

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:29.479
<v Speaker 2>to her about that?

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 7>I think that was in her mind the best case scenario,

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 7>and I honestly have not. I didn't consider reaching out

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 7>because my relationship with Hannah was my number one priority.

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have a question for you, Jed. I personally

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 3>am not as sympathetic to Haley, just to be honest,

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 3>because if you guys had this understanding, she knew exactly

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 3>what you were going on the show to do as well,

0:28:56.520 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 3>and so at the same time, she's kind of at

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 3>fault as well to a point, right, Like, I get

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 3>that there weren't truths that were told. I understand all that,

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 3>but she agreed for you to go on this show

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 3>and to do what you were doing. So I'm not

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent sympathetic towards.

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Some people think she didn't agree, like some people think

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>that her heart was like broken and off he was going.

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:21.959
<v Speaker 5>She was very supportive about it.

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh exactly, Yeah.

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>That says something about her.

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 3>She knew he was going on this show, she knew

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 3>that he was going to use the show initially as

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 3>a platform for his music, and she was okay with it.

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Why is nobody saying that that's a character Faull? I'm

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 3>sorry it is. So here's my question to you, Jed.

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.719
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that Haley came out because she was

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that Haley came out to speak to

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 3>the press because she was hurt, or do you think

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 3>she came out to use it as a platform for

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 3>her own music.

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 7>I know that she's hurt, but I know also that

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 7>there's a good chance that she was seizing the opportunity

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 7>as well.

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>And of course she was.

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 4>Yet I mean, and you can't really falter for it

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 4>because you did it too.

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 7>And I and I yeah, And another thing I don't

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 7>understand is like she waited till I had like two

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 7>hundred and fifty thousand followers to come out and say this,

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 7>So like, I think it was intended to obviously hurt me.

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 7>And what I don't understand is if you know, if

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 7>you really do love someone, no matter how promising they've

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 7>made it seem. If they're going on a dating show,

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 7>regardless of why they're going on a dating show, why

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 7>would you stay with them? And like why if for me,

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 7>if I was in a relationship, I would not have

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 7>gone onto a dating show.

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 5>That's just me.

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 7>I'm I'm not a cheater. And you know, and with

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 7>my time with Haley, I did hang out with other people.

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 5>I did.

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 7>I did date other people. I slept with other people,

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 7>like I.

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 5>We were not in an exclusive relationship.

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Does she know that? Did she know you were sleeping

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>with other people?

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.959
<v Speaker 7>No, because there was no We'd never had conversation, you know,

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 7>saying this was this? You know, we we had never

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 7>committed to being in an exclusive relationship. She's rightfully hurt,

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 7>and I see that. I understand that. But the facts

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 7>are the facts, whether she wants to come forward with

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 7>it or not, there was conversation and clarity on my

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 7>on my palf.

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 3>What about these reports that once you got back from

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 3>filming you were hooking up and flirting with other women

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 3>while you were still engaged to Hannah.

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Is any of that true?

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely not?

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Is it?

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Is it maybe the case that y'all had already broken up,

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 3>because according to Hannah, you guys broke up June eighteenth,

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 3>so or ended the engagement. I should say you guys

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 3>ended the engagement June eighteenth. Is there any truth that

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 3>after that maybe you decided, Okay, well we're done. Maybe

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 3>I'll just, you know, see what else is out there.

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 5>My heart was broken?

0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>No, okay, yeah, I can see the look on your face,

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>and that that's factual.

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you this question too, before we

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 3>get into things that happened after AFR. And I'm thinking

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 3>of burning questions, and I'm thinking of things that people

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 3>have wondered about you, and now you have your chance

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 3>to talk about and like Allie and I said at

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 3>the beginning, we want to give you that space to

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 3>do that. Once you told Hannah that you initially came

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 3>on the show for your music, why at that point

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 3>did you continue to play your music and showcase it

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 3>throughout the show.

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 5>I am so glad that you asked this question.

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Good.

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 7>So, when I brought my guitar to the show, I

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 7>actually had no idea that I was going to be

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 7>able to play as much as I did. I brought

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 7>it to have something to do in my downtime. Obviously,

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 7>it's my passion.

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 5>I love it.

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 7>I knew that I would be writing in my downtime,

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 7>and there's you know, there's times that I would be

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 7>like writing a song for Hannah, and you know, someone

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 7>from production would hear it.

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 5>I would play it for them.

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 7>They're like, you should play that for her, And then

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 7>I was lucky enough to get to do that on

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 7>multiple occasions. I never would have dreamed that I got

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 7>to do it as much as I did. And I

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 7>can see where people are like, you're showcasing. You're showcasing

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 7>your showcasing, when really it was me being given the opportunity.

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Given the opportunity to do to play.

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, I guess, can't you understand how, you

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 3>know what I just told this girl that I came

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 3>on this show to use my music, to use this

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 3>platform to showcase my music, and now here you are

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 3>showcasing your music every opportunity that you can get, at

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 3>least what we saw in watching it. I mean all

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 3>the way from the very beginning of stepping out of

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 3>the limo to the proposal at the end, So you

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 3>can understand, how did it never cross your mind?

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>You know? What maybe I have to just put the

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>guitar down and talk to her.

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 7>Prior to me telling Hannah to about how I came

0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 7>from music, she told me that when I when I

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 7>showed up, she was skeptical about the fact that, you know,

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 7>I played guitar for a night one and that she

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 7>kind of felt like, oh, this is just another guy

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 7>here for music. But up to this point, I can

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 7>tell that you're here for me, and that was edited

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:15.240
<v Speaker 7>out and that was before I even told her anything,

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 7>and I was like, Wow, it's crazy that you just

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 7>said that, because then I told her my piece why

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 7>I showed up, so she could tell that my emotion

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 7>had completely flipped and that I was there for her

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 7>at this point, and on that date.

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 5>I was unaware of it.

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 7>But they brought my guitar and they put it in

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 7>another room and Hannah, after we had talked and she

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 7>gave me the rose, led me into this room where

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 7>my guitar was and she wanted me to play her

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 7>a song. And I happened to have wrote a song

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 7>the night before, so she she liked when I played

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 7>and wanted me to play. And even after the show

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 7>when we were engaged, she was very encouraging and wanted

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 7>me to bring my guitar and wanted me to play

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:00.760
<v Speaker 7>for her. And you know that mail lot to me something.

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 4>I love It was your love language.

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, it is your love language. Well, love language

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 2>is that, Well, it's how he expresses himself. I mean,

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>you're a writer, because honestly, I think you express yourself.

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 2>I think watching back sometimes I'd be like, Chad, I

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 2>just want to see more emotion out of you, and

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 2>you're a very like kind of chill guy, and I

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:24.919
<v Speaker 2>mean I don't want to put words in your mouth,

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>but the way I saw it, it was like, that's

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>how you express yourself.

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:30.880
<v Speaker 7>Right, I mean, yeah, it's been like that since I

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 7>was little. I've been I started on piano when I

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:37.759
<v Speaker 7>was just like five years old. That's just always been Yeah,

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 7>it's great outlet.

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting that you bring up that Hannah like asked

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 2>you to play for her, like she like enjoyed that,

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure that encouraged you to do it more,

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:49.879
<v Speaker 2>knowing that it's something that she really liked that you did.

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely.

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:53.640
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And there was times that like I didn't want

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 7>to play because I was like, I don't want her

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:56.839
<v Speaker 7>to feel like this. I don't want her to feel

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 7>like this, and her and I had conversations. She never

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 7>felt that way. You never felt like I was showcasing.

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 7>I can see where the world would would say that,

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 7>because it's like almost every episode I came walking up

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 7>with that guitar, and I saw so many memes like

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 7>here comes to Jet with that damn guitar.

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 4>I actually got a guitar, many guitar to the podcast

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 4>with me. But no, I'm in look out there.

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people are just gonna I

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:22.720
<v Speaker 2>feel for you, like in a lot of the situation,

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.279
<v Speaker 2>I definitely think you mess like dub And I've said

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:26.280
<v Speaker 2>this already at the beginning.

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm you messed up with not being super honest about Haley.

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 4>And I know you kind of.

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Think you were, but you weren't, you know, And I

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.399
<v Speaker 2>understand that that came from fear. But I don't blame

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>you for the guitar, soft for any of that other stuff.

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, But one thing I do want to

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 2>discuss is are you mad at Hannah? Like do you

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 2>have anger towards her at this point?

0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 7>You know, I'm not angry at all. I think more

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 7>than anything, I'm just really sad. I just feel, you

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 7>know that, and just like I know she's sad and

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 7>hurt too, and I know that she now has her

0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.479
<v Speaker 7>closure and we'll move on and that's that's that's great.

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 2>But the reason I asked, and this is why I ask,

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 2>because people are gonna be like, what do you mean

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 2>why would he be mad at Hannah? And the reason

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I asked that is because you did like some comments

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram of people saying she slept with you know,

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of guys.

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 4>Two guys, Why did you do that?

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 7>I tapped the comment to go see if he was

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:22.839
<v Speaker 7>replying to someone, and I liked it.

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:25.840
<v Speaker 1>You tapped the comment to see if who was replying.

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 7>The comment rolled into my notifications. I tapped it. Wherever

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 7>I tapped it, it liked it.

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 5>Period.

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 4>Did you not realize that?

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.359
<v Speaker 7>Or I had no idea until someone sent me an

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 7>article to be like. They were like, why did you

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 7>do that? And I was like, oh shit, Like I

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 7>didn't mean to do that, wasn't I don't want to

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.399
<v Speaker 7>feel that way. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 7>like not easy to hear the things that I've heard

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 7>watching back on the season. You know, it's like a

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 7>really weird thing to see someone that you love so

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 7>much be so open about other people.

0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Are you referring to the windmill?

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely? Yeah, it's like it's it's hard to hear.

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 7>I know that's the name of the game, that's the show,

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 7>but it's not easy to hear when it's so. That

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 7>was a mistake, but I'll own it. I did like it.

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 3>How many comments did you like like that? Was that

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:17.720
<v Speaker 3>the only one?

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 5>I don't know?

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 7>I mean, that's the only one I'm aware of. That's

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:27.879
<v Speaker 7>the only article I've seen.

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I get that that could be a mistake.

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but I also get and the reason I

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 2>thought maybe he did like it is I understand how

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 2>hurtful that would be, you know, I being a past specheler,

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 2>I can say that if my who cares about my story.

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>But if my top three guy hadn't left me, I

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 2>would have slept with more than one person in the

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 2>fantasy suite.

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 4>I would have.

0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't because my guy left me, but I would

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 2>have because I know how important physical intimacy is on

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:05.399
<v Speaker 2>the show, And if you're about to get engaged with someone,

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 2>you probably want to know, like, do you have a

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 2>physical connection. Yeah, but I also putting myself in the

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 2>other people shoes because I left Top four when I

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 2>was a contestant. That has got to sting. And I

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 2>get that you have a lot of wrongs and you know,

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 2>but it's still your human being and that's got to

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>hurt too. Like, what did you did you feel anything

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 2>when she's talking about two times in the windmill?

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:31.120
<v Speaker 5>Right? Well, it was actually four times.

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, but she said two times, you guys are already

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 4>broken up. When she said four times, you'd already.

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Split up, but you are engaged when the two times thing?

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Or had you already split up? We had been split

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 2>up at that point, So how did you feel?

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 7>It was just, you know, I knew about Peter at

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 7>that point. I didn't know the details. I didn't care

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 7>to know the details because you know, I just don't

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.839
<v Speaker 7>really love to hear about that kind of thing.

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but it's just weird, you know, it's weird.

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.760
<v Speaker 7>I think it would be weird for just about anyone

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.840
<v Speaker 7>to see someone that you care about a lot be

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 7>open and talk about sleeping with someone else. And you know,

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:19.360
<v Speaker 7>that's her role and this was her journey and she's

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:22.720
<v Speaker 7>not wrong for doing it like there's nothing really wrong

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 7>with it, but it does stink, you know. Just there's

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:29.799
<v Speaker 7>not really anything you can do to prepare yourself to

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 7>watch someone you care about be open about that.

0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Allie asks you if you were angry at Hannah,

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 3>But I guess my question is, can you blame Hannah

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:50.800
<v Speaker 3>for the way that she's reacted since finding out everything

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:51.800
<v Speaker 3>she did about Hayley?

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 7>Absolutely not. She was very straightforward about how she wanted

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.279
<v Speaker 7>honesty and openness from the very beginning, from night one,

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 7>she was open about that, so I can see entirely

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 7>how and why she feels the way she feels right

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 7>now or felt.

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to follow up on something you said on GMA.

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:17.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, when you were talking to Michael Strahan, you

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 3>said to him that you had discussed.

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 1>With Hannah Hayley.

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.799
<v Speaker 3>But did your discussions mirror the article that came out

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:26.839
<v Speaker 3>in People magazine.

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:31.760
<v Speaker 7>There was details in the article that, like I said before,

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 7>I wasn't even considering her side or her feelings. I

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 7>told her pretty much from my perspective what we were

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 7>and what it felt like, without considering how she was feeling.

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 7>And that's my fault, and I'll own up to it.

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.839
<v Speaker 3>I want to give you an opportunity to clear things up,

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:50.880
<v Speaker 3>because this is the first time you've really been able

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 3>to just talk freely. You know, it's not a TV segment,

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:58.439
<v Speaker 3>it's an open conversation, and so I guess i'd also

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 3>ask you, is there something yet that we haven't addressed

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 3>that you want to clear up? Because everyone's been asking

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 3>or assuming certain things.

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I think at this point you can assume that if

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a sick eleton in your closet, it's going to

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 2>come out.

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 7>At this point, absolutely, there's no I mean, I feel

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 7>like We've touched a lot of the points that I've

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 7>ever wanted to make that I've kept quiet over because

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.800
<v Speaker 7>all I wanted to do is mend the relationship with Hannah.

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 7>I didn't come out and defend myself immediately.

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:27.400
<v Speaker 5>I could have.

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.359
<v Speaker 7>I could have came out and did any I could

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:33.240
<v Speaker 7>have defended myself off the bat with the Haley situation

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 7>and spoke just on behalf of that. But what was

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:40.319
<v Speaker 7>important to me was Hannah and trying to fix that.

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 5>And that's that's just it.

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Have you guys spoken since after the final rows at all?

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Or is your contact completely cut off?

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 7>We haven't spoken, and you know, I feel like down

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 7>the road we could have friendship. I mean, she's great

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 7>and we have always got along, we have a great time.

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 7>I think she's an amazing woman. She's strong, she killed

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 7>her role at this. I mean, you can't ask for

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 7>someone to be more passionate, more open, and she did

0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.720
<v Speaker 7>everything in my opinion.

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 5>Great.

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 7>She did great, and I just I hope down the

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 7>road that we can be friends.

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you think her and Tyler are going to end

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 2>up together? How do you feel about that situation?

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 7>Kind of, Like I said on Good Morning America, I

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.439
<v Speaker 7>just had a weird feeling going into after the final

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 7>rows that something like that could happen. Tyler's an amazing guy.

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 7>I don't fault her for saying what she did or

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 7>asking him.

0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Or has your relationship with any of the guys changed

0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 2>with all this coming out or have they been supportive?

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Because do you talk to the guys.

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 7>I could not have asked for, honestly, a better group

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 7>of people to go into this with. They've been supportive

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:03.759
<v Speaker 7>and high to me and you know, obviously offering their

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:08.800
<v Speaker 7>opinions on the situation, and you know, telling me things

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:14.879
<v Speaker 7>that you know are helpful and they've I mean they've

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 7>they're great friends. I mean, obviously there's a couple that

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 7>I don't talk to you as much.

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, assuming you don't talk to Luke.

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 2>So, like, did any of the guys like call you

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 2>out and say, hey, Jed, what the heck?

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.279
<v Speaker 4>Or were they like what did they say?

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 7>No one called me out. It was it was more

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 7>so just Nick Vile. None of the guys on my

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:43.760
<v Speaker 7>season has said anything.

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because Nicholas, let's expect on that. I don't even

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.360
<v Speaker 4>know what you're talking about. What is Nick vild been?

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about it. How do you Okay?

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:55.800
<v Speaker 3>So, I think it's great that you have received support

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.240
<v Speaker 3>from the guys from your season. And I'll be honest,

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 3>I've talked to several guys for in your season, and

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 3>they all have great things to say about you.

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Even when I tried to dig and tried to say

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:07.760
<v Speaker 1>but okay, yeah.

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:09.839
<v Speaker 4>Peter, he had great things to say about you.

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:13.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we're like, okay, but maybe this No, They're

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 3>like we were.

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 1>We lived with Jed. He's actually a really great guy.

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:18.720
<v Speaker 1>We understand what you've seen in the media.

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 3>We understand, you know, certain things that have popped up

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:22.680
<v Speaker 3>but Jed is really a good person.

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Even Hannah said.

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, she fell in love with with the goodness,

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:28.440
<v Speaker 3>the good part of you. She knows it's in there

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 3>for you and maybe this whole situation will prepare you

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.240
<v Speaker 3>for the next person, so she acknowledges it as well.

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 1>But since you brought up Nick Vile, what what do

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 1>you because that's whose season I was on.

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 3>What what do you think about past contestants or past

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.880
<v Speaker 3>leads offering their opinion opinion in such a way, because

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 3>you obviously feel strongly about things that he has said.

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 2>And I think you know, obviously Rachel and I have

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 2>this podcast and we are giving our opinion, so we're

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.080
<v Speaker 2>our opinion as alumni too. I think the difference is

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 2>there's a way to be respectful about it.

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:10.240
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, totally, and you guys do that perfectly in my opinion.

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 7>I mean, everyone's entitled their opinion, and with social media,

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:18.880
<v Speaker 7>people are very quick to jump on what's the most

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 7>popular thing happening and how they can either use it

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 7>to benefit themselves, get retweets, to get retweets.

0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 5>To get likes.

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 7>And I understand that I've been as of recently, the

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:33.879
<v Speaker 7>talk of the town, so I see why people are

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 7>doing doing that. But it's like, get to know me

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 7>before you talk shit. And if you come with my family, like,

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 7>don't do that.

0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 4>Did he do that?

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 7>I've seen him say some some slurs and stuff on

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 7>Twitter and it's just, you know, it's like have some respect.

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 1>So you feel like he's doing it to try to

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:54.840
<v Speaker 1>stay relevant.

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, are you kidding me? That's what he thrives off.

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, I mean I'm with you. I uh,

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, not with the knick thing. But I think

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 2>people are not just social or not just past Bachelor

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:13.399
<v Speaker 2>contestants in general, people have this screen up when they're

0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 2>on the Internet and feel like they can.

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 4>Say whatever they want.

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 2>And the reason I'm so happy that you're here, Jed,

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 2>is because not only have all the guys said great

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 2>things about you, Hannah has said great things about you,

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.360
<v Speaker 2>despite how hurt she is. I'm you know, we're sitting

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 2>here talking to you. We can see that you're a

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 2>good person. Of course you're a good person. You just

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 2>really fucked up.

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:34.439
<v Speaker 4>You did. I mean, can you say that right now

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 4>that I messed up big time?

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 7>I can see all my faults and like I said,

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 7>I'm going to grow from it and it is going

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:46.880
<v Speaker 7>to make me a better person. It just it's crazy

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 7>when it's in the public eye that you have to

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:49.560
<v Speaker 7>go through something.

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 5>Like this and.

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 7>Be open to everyone's opinions and judgment. But you know, absolutely,

0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 7>I can see all my faults.

0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Jed, I think that you learn the hardest lesson

0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:05.399
<v Speaker 3>on the biggest stage and it'll be something that you

0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:08.160
<v Speaker 3>grow from at the end of the day. Like we

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:11.719
<v Speaker 3>talk about Hannah's strength and everything that she went through,

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 3>and she did go through a lot, but at the

0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 3>same time, you have to be really strong on your end, and.

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:17.839
<v Speaker 1>She gave that to you.

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 7>You know.

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 3>When she talked about Grace on the stage, she said,

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 3>I know that you have a lot of critics. I

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:25.040
<v Speaker 3>have them too, but I know people are coming down

0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:27.200
<v Speaker 3>on you, and I'll even be honest. When when she

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 3>was on straight hand and Sarah, she said, I don't

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:31.479
<v Speaker 3>want to say anything about him because so many people

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 3>are already coming at him.

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 1>So it takes a lot of.

0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Strength for you to be able to come sit with

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 3>us have these tough conversations. But we thank you for it,

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 3>and we thank you for being, you know, strong enough

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:46.399
<v Speaker 3>to tell your side of the story. I do want

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:49.319
<v Speaker 3>to ask you, though, what's next for you? I think

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people want to know what do you

0:48:51.280 --> 0:49:03.680
<v Speaker 3>want to do now? Paradise just kidding.

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:05.520
<v Speaker 7>You know, Really, I just want to take the next

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:08.120
<v Speaker 7>bit and just focus on my spiritual and mental health.

0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 5>That's it.

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 7>I mean, the weight of all this has been insane,

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 7>and you know, I just want to surround myself with

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:21.080
<v Speaker 7>good people and really just work on my soul.

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 4>And I'm glad you brought up mental health. Yeah.

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I think people out there, anyone listening to this right

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.399
<v Speaker 2>now who maybe still feels angry with you, is that

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:33.600
<v Speaker 2>we need to think about people's mental health in this

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 2>because I cannot imagine how you are feeling and how

0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:42.920
<v Speaker 2>you've been feeling and having millions of people just judging

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:47.920
<v Speaker 2>you and saying terrible things about you. That is so hurtful.

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:50.160
<v Speaker 2>And we really need to think about mental health and

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:53.279
<v Speaker 2>what that can do to a person, because I know

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.400
<v Speaker 2>you're a strong guy, but that can break anybody.

0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and I like to think that I am very

0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:05.319
<v Speaker 7>you know, mentally strong, like in a lot of situations,

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:10.160
<v Speaker 7>and this has been extremely heavy, and you know, I

0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:12.719
<v Speaker 7>want to talk for a second about like other people

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:17.359
<v Speaker 7>going through this. You know, I know that the Blake guy,

0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:21.319
<v Speaker 7>he's fucked up and done some shit, and you know,

0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 7>I just think people need to, like, even though they

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 7>don't agree with it or think it's terrible, just have

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 7>a little grace because at the end of the day,

0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 7>like we're humans. I mean, same for Luke. I don't

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:34.640
<v Speaker 7>agree with him, not that, not the slightest bit do

0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:38.759
<v Speaker 7>I agree with him, But we're humans where we have

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 7>this this thing where it's easy to get caught up

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:44.759
<v Speaker 7>in what people are saying. And sure you can say

0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:47.279
<v Speaker 7>that you're not going to look at it or that

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:50.720
<v Speaker 7>you ignore it, but that only goes for so long,

0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:53.920
<v Speaker 7>and people need to realize how much words actually can

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.480
<v Speaker 7>affect someone's mental health and respect.

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:58.960
<v Speaker 4>That do you feel for Luke in this situation.

0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:01.959
<v Speaker 7>Now that I've gone through the hate that I've gone through,

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.640
<v Speaker 7>you know, like even before I did, like I I

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 7>it was just constant memes, constant shots, and you know,

0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 7>I've even taken some shots at him obviously, Like I

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:13.880
<v Speaker 7>didn't agree with the guy at all. But now that

0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:16.840
<v Speaker 7>I have this perspective, I think people just need to

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 7>have a little grace for everyone.

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like you cannot like somebody that's totally okay.

0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Like, and you can say I don't understand why this

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.759
<v Speaker 2>person is here, but saying like they should jump off

0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 2>a bridge on social media is not okay.

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 5>It's not okay.

0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's a bit too far.

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:37.359
<v Speaker 7>So like that, you know that being said, Hannah has been,

0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:42.399
<v Speaker 7>you know, being drilled the entire time, the entire season.

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:44.920
<v Speaker 5>Like yeah, yeah, Luke got it.

0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:46.759
<v Speaker 7>Bad, I got it bad later. But she's had this

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 7>judgment the entire time. Yeah, And I don't think there's

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.120
<v Speaker 7>anyone in this world that could have handled it the

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:56.200
<v Speaker 7>way she did. She was strong, she held true to herself,

0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 7>and you can't ask for more than that from someone.

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:00.759
<v Speaker 2>And I will say I have not agreed with a

0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of the things Hannah has done throughout the season.

0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:05.319
<v Speaker 2>I write a blog and on it, I have been

0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:07.440
<v Speaker 2>extremely critical of some of the things that she has

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 2>done throughout the season, but always in a respectful way,

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 2>always in a way of I am behind her. I

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:13.799
<v Speaker 2>don't agree with the way she did this, but I

0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 2>know she's growing from this, And I think that's the difference.

0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:17.560
<v Speaker 4>You don't have to like everybody, you don't have to

0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 4>agree with that.

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I do like Hannah, but You don't have to agree

0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:22.080
<v Speaker 2>with what everybody's doing, but you just have to be

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:25.120
<v Speaker 2>realize they're real human beings like Rachel and I have

0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 2>been there. I mean, obviously not to the extent that

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:31.080
<v Speaker 2>you have experienced it, but honestly, I was a little

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.840
<v Speaker 2>hesitant to do this podcast. And the reason I was

0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 2>is because I was a bachelor I almost.

0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 4>Ten years ago.

0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:39.680
<v Speaker 2>But I remember sitting at my computer and seeing the

0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 2>terrible things people were saying about me and crying my

0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:45.800
<v Speaker 2>eyes out because yes, I'm strong, I've been strong my

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.239
<v Speaker 2>whole life, but oh my gosh, one person.

0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:49.239
<v Speaker 4>Can only take so much.

0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:52.359
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't want to do this podcast at first

0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:54.719
<v Speaker 2>because I thought, oh my gosh, I'm putting myself back

0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:58.399
<v Speaker 2>out there to be judged again by Bachelor Nation, which

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Bacheloration is incredible, but there's a handful of weeds among

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 2>the flowers.

0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:05.919
<v Speaker 1>That really a lot of weeds to dig.

0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:08.800
<v Speaker 4>Would you say, Rachel, there's a lot of weeds? Is

0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 4>that what you said?

0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of weeds.

0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:13.719
<v Speaker 4>So I mean, Rachel, how do you like? How is

0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:14.920
<v Speaker 4>what do you care about?

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:15.520
<v Speaker 7>So?

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:19.160
<v Speaker 3>I am a very strong person, but at the same time,

0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:23.719
<v Speaker 3>I absolutely have my moments where sometimes this becomes too

0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:25.279
<v Speaker 3>much and it gets to me. And I think it's

0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:27.920
<v Speaker 3>important to talk about because a lot of times people

0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 3>do just see me as strong, but this being in

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 3>this world has affected me at the same time. And

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:38.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, like Ali said, we've both as leads have

0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:42.919
<v Speaker 3>definitely been subject to a lot of criticism. And for

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:47.520
<v Speaker 3>me being the first black bachelorette, I was being criticized

0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 3>for things that I can't change.

0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:51.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm black. I can't change that.

0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 3>You know, I was born that way, and a lot

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.200
<v Speaker 3>of the criticism that came to me it was because

0:53:57.280 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 3>of the way that I looked, or stereotype for because

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 3>of the way I look that people place on black people.

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.560
<v Speaker 3>So it was I knew I would get it, but

0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.920
<v Speaker 3>as much as you prepare yourself for it, you never

0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 3>are ready for it. And at the same time, it's

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.359
<v Speaker 3>like when people are praising you one second, you're also

0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:15.919
<v Speaker 3>going to have.

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:17.880
<v Speaker 1>The flipping of people criticizing you.

0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:21.800
<v Speaker 3>And it's a hard balance to have and the strongest

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.840
<v Speaker 3>person is affected by it. So I think it's really important.

0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:27.399
<v Speaker 3>You know that we're having this conversation now and we're

0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:30.399
<v Speaker 3>sharing our experiences at how tough. It is. I'm tough

0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:32.880
<v Speaker 3>on people too. I'm tough, Jed. I think you handled

0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:34.880
<v Speaker 3>this interview quite well.

0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 4>I was nervous for you, Jed, because of Rachel.

0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:43.919
<v Speaker 3>I'm very I'm very direct, and I get that sometimes

0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:48.040
<v Speaker 3>I fall victim of, you know, going after people without

0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:51.120
<v Speaker 3>understanding it or realizing, Hey, Rachel, you know what it's

0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.240
<v Speaker 3>like to be in that person's shoes and have people

0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:55.560
<v Speaker 3>criticizing you for things they don't know or they don't

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:58.880
<v Speaker 3>know the whole story. So I think that it's important

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:04.759
<v Speaker 3>for hello, I'm talking to you, to realize that these

0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:07.839
<v Speaker 3>people are We're human, and we mess up and we

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:10.960
<v Speaker 3>make mistakes, and we're making them on the biggest stage.

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:14.320
<v Speaker 3>So at times, give us a break.

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, Yeah, I mean I.

0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:19.399
<v Speaker 2>Do see sometimes I will say, I mean I haven't

0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 2>read any of Nick's tweets, but people do kind of

0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:26.080
<v Speaker 2>jump on the bandwagon of like whatever Bachelor Nation's feeling

0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:28.640
<v Speaker 2>and to you know, just kind of follow along with that.

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't do that, Like if I'm going to tweet

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 2>or put something on Instagram, I feel like I'll do

0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:36.719
<v Speaker 2>it as Again, I don't agree with this, but I

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:40.080
<v Speaker 2>massage it a little bit. I realize that the person

0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about is me just like me, you know,

0:55:43.719 --> 0:55:46.560
<v Speaker 2>like because I've been there, so it's it's hard for

0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.960
<v Speaker 2>me sometimes when past contestants are so ruthless because they've

0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:51.919
<v Speaker 2>been there totally and they know how.

0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:52.680
<v Speaker 5>Much it hurts totally.

0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:55.359
<v Speaker 7>And like I've taken shots at Luke on Twitter and

0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:57.799
<v Speaker 7>it's like it's just like an easy thing to do,

0:55:57.840 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 7>but it's not right.

0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it's it's not always right.

0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:06.239
<v Speaker 3>I definitely say some very blunt things, but I think.

0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:08.839
<v Speaker 1>As long as you're funny, it softens enough.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I'm like again, I always go back to I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the mom of this podcast, Like I'm just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I always think of that person my son or my daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But none of us are perfect. I'm sure at some

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<v Speaker 4>point for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely past seasons, I've said some things that were mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if I had an opinion, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you just learned, like you said, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>the whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Point of this, I mean, I think your story, Jed

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<v Speaker 2>is that nobody is perfect and we all mess up,

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<v Speaker 2>all of us. Just you know, we have millions of

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<v Speaker 2>people to let us know when.

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<v Speaker 4>We did it. Absolutely, and your mistake you exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>Everyone can change, everyone can grow, and you got to

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<v Speaker 7>just focus on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I hope people listening to this know that your

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes do not define you. And I can say that

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<v Speaker 2>sitting with you right now, I can tell and feel

0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 2>the good energy from you, and I see what Hannah

0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:03.120
<v Speaker 2>saw on you stup. But you're human and you've admitted it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what else can you do. And I can say confidently,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that whoever you do end up with is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a very lucky girl, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be pretty dang and honest with that person.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to be like it is I just like

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<v Speaker 4>I looked at another girl and I saw her cleavage.

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<v Speaker 4>I had to tell you because I don't want you

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<v Speaker 4>to think I'm lying, like you're going to be really honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Jed.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, it's not easy to do what you're doing right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and we really appreciate you telling your story here.

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<v Speaker 4>First.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, thank you all for having me.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, it's it's been heavy on my heart to

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<v Speaker 7>be able to kind of open up about everything, and

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<v Speaker 7>I appreciate you all giving me the opportunity to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Here absolutely, Thank you Jed.

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<v Speaker 3>We definitely wish you the very best in the future,

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll see you at the dock.

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<v Speaker 4>I love meditation too, so I love that you do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will say to all of you guys listening,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for tuning into this very special

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:03.480
<v Speaker 2>edition of a Bachelor Happy Hour. And actually we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be back with our regular podcast next week and we

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<v Speaker 2>have Demi and Caylen from Bachelor in Paradise on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk to Demi about her groundbit breaking Paradise journey,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very cool, and how her family reacted to

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:18.320
<v Speaker 2>her telling the world that she had been dating a

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<v Speaker 2>woman prior to coming to Paradise.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, Caylen will be here, and from the looks of it,

0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:26.720
<v Speaker 3>she got all caught up in the Blake drama that

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<v Speaker 3>is all the talk in Paradise, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about that with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're gonna we're gonna have grace for Blake, but

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<v Speaker 2>we're also gonna call him a jerk and you'll find

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<v Speaker 2>out why.

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<v Speaker 4>So in the meantime.

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<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, guys, you can get all the latest

0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Bachelor Nation news on Bachelornation dot com right now and

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<v Speaker 2>follow us on social media because actually, Jed, before we

0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:51.640
<v Speaker 2>came into this interview, I like pulled my followers and

0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:53.720
<v Speaker 2>asked them what questions we should ask you. So some

0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>of those questions came from my followers.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm glad you brought that up, Alli, because we

0:58:58.120 --> 0:58:59.880
<v Speaker 3>want to hear from you guys, and we want you

0:58:59.880 --> 0:59:02.000
<v Speaker 3>to tell us what we like and what you don't

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<v Speaker 3>like about the show. So tell us more of that.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>You can email us at happy Hour at bachelornation dot com,

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<v Speaker 3>or you can visit us at bachelornation dot com and

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<v Speaker 3>click podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, definitely do that. Send us all the emails we want.

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<v Speaker 2>We want all of them.

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<v Speaker 4>So thank you so much for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>This was really really great, Jed, thank you again, and

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<v Speaker 2>don't forget to subscribe to our podcast, Bachelor Happy Hour.

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