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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome into another edition of Crush City

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Speaker 1: Territory m Channel room along with Tyler Stafford, where I

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Speaker 1: am in a undisclosed Marriott property in Miami, Florida, where

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Speaker 1: I just watched the Astros lose six to four at

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Speaker 1: Loan Depot Park to not complete a sweep otherwise. You know,

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Speaker 1: the first two games of this series, Tyler, I thought

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Speaker 1: the lineup looked as dangerous as it has looked all season.

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Speaker 1: And heck, even in the Wednesday game, the game they lost,

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Speaker 1: they stranded nine base runners, they went four for thirteen

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Speaker 1: with runners and scoring becasion. They gave themselves every opportunity

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Speaker 1: to come back in that game. I think for me,

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Speaker 1: one of the bigger takeaways from this series is you

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Speaker 1: saw this lineup at the full strength that can be

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Speaker 1: right now, and it was pretty impressive to watch.

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Speaker 2: That's a good, good looking lineup. I mean, we talked about,

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Speaker 2: you know, Korea even even in the first series. You know,

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Speaker 2: the power hadn't been there before or hasn't been there recently,

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Speaker 2: but you know, it looks like something that could certainly

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Speaker 2: come back. And his swing has looked really driving the

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Speaker 2: ball a lot to right center field, which is where

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Speaker 2: you know, he made a name for himself of just

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Speaker 2: hitting those you know, singles and doubles out to that

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Speaker 2: But again, it it does remind me and I said

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Speaker 2: it at the beginning of the year. Uh, not to

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Speaker 2: bring up some the one person who did not have

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Speaker 2: a great offensive showing, but Korea and Cam Smith have

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Speaker 2: very similar swings where when they're on, they're able to

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Speaker 2: get those pitches low and away drive them into right field.

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Speaker 2: And uh, but yeah, I mean they've all looked really good.

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Speaker 2: Hazu Sanchez is good. He's a good hitter.

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Speaker 1: He does not get cheated. Man, these swings, it is.

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Speaker 1: It is powerful. He's he he had a couple going

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Speaker 1: down to one knee. He does not get cheated when

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Speaker 1: he swings. It is something to watch. It was fun

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Speaker 1: to see him back in Miami because again, we are

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Speaker 1: all still getting to know him. And I think we

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Speaker 1: by we, I mean the beat writers in the media obviously,

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Speaker 1: but also the team, Like he knew a couple of

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Speaker 1: guys before he got traded over here, but there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that don't know much about him. Like

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Speaker 1: the one thing I can just confirm outright, the dude

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Speaker 1: is never not smiling, Like there's a smile on his

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Speaker 1: face one hundred percent of the time. He seems really

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Speaker 1: just happy. He seems happy to be here, happy to

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Speaker 1: be with the Astros. And I think, you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: coming back home to Miami after such a after the trade,

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Speaker 1: coming back so quickly, I think that even added to

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Speaker 1: his happiness. And he had a great He had a

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Speaker 1: great three games here, everyone did. I mean they in

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Speaker 1: three games in Miami, they had seventeen extra base hits.

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Speaker 1: This is the same lineup that scored five runs in

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Speaker 1: three games at Fenway Park. Now, granted, the pitching that

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Speaker 1: they faced at Ways a little more stiff than the

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Speaker 1: pitching they faced in Miami. You know, it was Sandy

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Speaker 1: al Contra looked a lot like the guy that we

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Speaker 1: had been told is still working his way back from

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Speaker 1: from Tommy John. They faced Jansen junk today. What a

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Speaker 1: what an unfortunate name for a pitcher, a former Astros

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Speaker 1: farm hand. Actually he was claimed off of waivers at

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Speaker 1: one point last year. And then I forgot, I forgot

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Speaker 2: It's the is the outfield in Miami bigger than normal?

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Speaker 2: Or is their outfield that bad? Because it felt like

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Speaker 2: there were a lot of balls that were getting down

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Speaker 2: that I was not expecting to happen.

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Speaker 1: Their outfield is not very good, their defensive outfield, some

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Speaker 1: of the routes they took some of just the first step.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Korea hit a double today. That I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you watch the thing, if the guy takes a

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Speaker 1: it's an easy out. The Astros will take it. Don't

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but yeah, the Marlins outfield did

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Speaker 1: not distinguish themselves this week, and that was a that

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Speaker 1: was a rough watch. I watched these three games and

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Speaker 1: not laughably bad by any means. They are. They're a

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Speaker 1: got some flaws obviously. You know, I was waiting for

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Speaker 1: it underscored Tyler. Why at least I and I think

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Speaker 1: you're on the same page here too. Why why we've

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Speaker 1: one thing to activate these guys off of the injury list.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to get Spencer araghedtty back on a

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Speaker 1: week or so to get Christian Hovier back on a

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Speaker 1: and Spencer Araghetti looked like a guy that had not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that happens. That's why you try to get

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Speaker 2: you need two of these guys to be in a

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Speaker 2: You would expect Aarraghetty to have been closer to being

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Speaker 2: ready to be back. But yeah, he just he was

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Speaker 2: all over the place today. But I mean it's one start.

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Speaker 2: I think this one you just you just kind of

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Speaker 2: that's obviously an issue. But I don't think you can

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Speaker 2: trying to get him back to the major leagues as

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Speaker 2: quickly as possible. You know, if they didn't need him

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Speaker 2: up here, he probably could have made you know, two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a couple of things that I want

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Speaker 1: he called them growing pains, so we'll call them grow

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Speaker 2: I don't trust the astros doctors with growing pains or

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Speaker 2: that's that's going to turn into something terrible here.

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Speaker 1: Nor should you. Basically, he was asked if he thought

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Speaker 1: He said that Spencer Aregetty looked a little rusty. Spencer

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Speaker 1: Like if this was just a random guy pitching every

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Speaker 1: an odd just stat line. He got sixteen swings and

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Speaker 1: in his major league career. He also allowed eleven hits

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Speaker 1: He had six of the hits he allowed were or

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Speaker 1: and I think it was one of these things. It

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Speaker 1: a ton of bats when he gave up eleven hits,

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Speaker 1: for a single in that first inning. But this was

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Speaker 1: all bad luck. I mean, he gave up some rockets,

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Speaker 1: he was getting hit around. The swing of miss got

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Speaker 1: better as the game went on, but the pitch efficiency

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Speaker 1: that you know there was some stuff there to like,

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Speaker 1: there's some stuff there. There was there were some stretches

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Speaker 1: But Spencer Arigetti's also a guy that has a rookie

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Speaker 1: struck out almost eleven batters per nine innings. He is

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Speaker 1: and he didn't do that today. Maybe that comes with time,

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Speaker 1: but he didn't do that today. I think the bigger thing,

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Speaker 1: Tyler is, you know, it's fine what you just said,

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Speaker 1: and it's fine what I'm talking about, Like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: his first start back, Like we'll give them a mulligan.

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Speaker 1: You have forty seven games left in a regular season,

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Speaker 1: where like if the Mariners beat the White Sox twice

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Speaker 1: a game and a half. There's no time to give

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Speaker 1: he'll be better next Like, no, they need to win

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Speaker 1: than Spencer Aarrighetti was, And you are now seeing because

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Speaker 1: they chose not to address the pitching staff at the

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Speaker 1: trade deadline, you are going to be counting on stuff

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that that's the best gamble to take.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you certainly would have liked to have

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Speaker 2: picked that pitching at the deadline from from the reports

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Speaker 2: that came out. I still I don't think you trade

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Speaker 2: even though it was I guess Spencer Orghetty who they

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Speaker 2: could look at and say, well, who would you have

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Speaker 2: rather had start today? But I mean, you know, like

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Speaker 2: we said, these these things happened, and this has also

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Speaker 2: kind of been what Spencer Raggedy has been his whole career.

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Speaker 2: Like we talked about, he strikes out a ton of guys.

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Speaker 2: His stuff is really good, but the numbers have never

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Speaker 2: been there consistently. But again, one start, the strike zone

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Speaker 2: was a mess. What was his name? Meghan Trainer? Who

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Speaker 2: is the umpire?

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Speaker 1: Megan?

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Speaker 2: Megan Megan's husband. He took her last name. It's all

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Speaker 2: about the base ball, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who Meghan Trainer is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, did you know I didn't know Meghan the Stallion?

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Speaker 1: Do you know that I did not know me the

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Speaker 1: Stallion was from Houston until like a year ago.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. That was a that was quite a bit

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Speaker 2: of the marketing at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very white.

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Speaker 2: In case, there was the Popeyes sauce, right, wasn't there

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Speaker 1: we've talked about it. It's one thing to activate them

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Speaker 2: everybody says whenever people get fussy about pitch counts. It's like,

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Speaker 2: We said that the whole time. Of course they needed pitching.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they needed pitching, they weren't able to get it.

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Speaker 2: And we'll see. But I don't think that what we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to be honest with you, I'm I

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Speaker 2: at my job where I have to run on this

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Speaker 2: hamstring a lot. So you can't fault him for wanting

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Speaker 2: to do it. I agree that the timing would be

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Speaker 2: nice to have the surgery and be back, you know,

435
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Speaker 2: fleet at the start of next season. But look, October

436
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Speaker 2: six months from October is April. Like, It's not like

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Speaker 2: even if he comes back this year and he's not

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Speaker 2: able to do it and then it's six months from

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Speaker 2: that point at most. You're talking about a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks into the season. The difference. I don't think it

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Speaker 2: really matters in the long run. And if he feels

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Speaker 2: like he has a chance to come back, of course

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Speaker 2: that's what he's gonna do.

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Speaker 1: And to be clear, again, we do not have the

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Speaker 1: answer as to whether surgery is going to be the

446
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Speaker 1: inevitable course of action here, whether we don't know whether

447
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Speaker 1: estoc paratus is just kicking the can down the road

448
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Speaker 1: and like try.

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Speaker 2: And hope not that hamstring's torn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he could do it with his left hand. He

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Speaker 1: can do it was his left uh, his left foot though,

452
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Speaker 1: that could help, but he probably has to.

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Speaker 2: Do I don't want him walking down the road kicking things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not. Probably not the best for him. As

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Speaker 1: far as like where he would play, Dana Brown Liwly

456
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Speaker 1: just goes, we'll cross that bridge if we get there,

457
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Speaker 1: Like they haven't even considered that. I personally don't know

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Speaker 1: how that would work, especially if jord And Alvarez is back,

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Speaker 1: which they expect him to be back. He's he'll be

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Speaker 1: the DH because the al two bay has got to

461
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Speaker 1: play somewhere, so that means he'll either have to play

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Speaker 1: second base or left field to keep him in the lineup.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're putting Escoc Paradus at first base.

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Speaker 1: You're not putting them on the leg. There would be

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Speaker 1: nowhere for him to play in the Star.

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Speaker 2: Figure it out. It'll something will work out. By the

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Speaker 2: time he's back, somebody else to be hurt you, it'll

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Speaker 2: work out.

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Speaker 1: It's honestly probably how it's gonna work out. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just and it does. But it does for and we.

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Speaker 1: I think you guys mentioned it a little bit on

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Speaker 1: the pod that I missed or slept through. But it

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Speaker 1: does kind of bring up what this roster is going

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Speaker 1: to look like after this season, because all these guys

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Speaker 1: are still here and they're going to have this presuming

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Speaker 1: Estoc Paradus is healthy next season, they're going to have

477
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Speaker 1: the same problem, Like where do you play him? Do

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Speaker 1: you tell him all off season you're playing second base,

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Speaker 1: learn how to play second base and get better at it. But,

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Speaker 1: as I wrote this on the day of the deadline,

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Speaker 1: given how significant this hamstring strain is, like how normal

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Speaker 1: of an off season is Estock Parade's going to have,

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Speaker 1: Like is he going to be able to do baseball activities.

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Speaker 1: Is he going to be able to do his normal

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Speaker 1: ramp up and work out, like if they need him

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Speaker 1: to play second base next year to accommodate this roster, like,

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Speaker 1: he may not have an off season to do it

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Speaker 1: because he's hurt. As we have discussed numerous times, evaluators

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Speaker 1: and scouts and officials both inside and outside of the

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Speaker 1: Ashers organization strongly doubt that Estock Paradis can play second

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Speaker 1: base at any capable level on an everyday basis. So

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Speaker 1: it would be one of these things where they would

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Speaker 1: have to tell him, like when the season ends this year, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're coming into camp next year is the second basement,

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Speaker 1: So spend the next three months learning how to play it.

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Speaker 1: And if he's too injured to do that, you kind

497
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Speaker 1: of wonder how the roster looks. Have you given any thought? Again,

498
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Speaker 1: they're trying to get through this season. We talked about

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Speaker 1: it when they made the Korea trade. They made the

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Speaker 1: Korea trade for this season that they're not thinking about

501
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six yet, But are you thinking about have

502
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Speaker 1: you thought about kind of how this roster is going

503
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Speaker 1: to look and what they're going to do with these

504
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Speaker 1: SoC Paradas next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll trade somebody, right, I mean I would if

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Speaker 2: Paridis were healthy, that would make the most sense because

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Speaker 2: that's somebody that you would actually get value back for.

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Speaker 2: You're obviously not going to trade Koreha after all of this,

509
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Speaker 2: Plus he has a no trade clause, and you can't

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Speaker 2: trade Jeremy Pania. That's you can't. You can't if it

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Speaker 2: were did you say his walk here, if it were

512
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Speaker 2: his walk here, which it isn't, he still has two

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Speaker 2: years correct, Yeah, they're not trading two years of control

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Speaker 2: of Jeremy Pania that. There's there's no chance that they

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Speaker 2: do that. Uh, so it would have to be Pards.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna clip that. No chance.

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Speaker 2: There's there is no chance that they trade two years

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Speaker 2: of Jeremy Payne. Yeah, but we'll see, uh. I mean

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Speaker 2: the scenario, of course, this is a year from now.

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Speaker 2: They'll have to figure this out. But the scenario would

521
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Speaker 2: just have to be perfect where a team needs that

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Speaker 2: immediately and is willing to give up everything and they're

523
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Speaker 2: not in the American League because you're not going to

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Speaker 2: do that, so you know it would be it would

525
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Speaker 2: be crazy. But yeah, somebody's gonna have to be traded,

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Speaker 2: but they'll figure that out eventually.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the obvious answer would be to

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Speaker 1: find someone to take on Christian Walker's contract. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure that they can do. Like, if he's playing

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Speaker 1: like this, if he's playing like he's played for the

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Speaker 1: next last one.

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Speaker 2: Then don't trade him.

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Speaker 1: It'll be yeah, but again, it'll be a little bit

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Speaker 1: easier to get somebody take on that money if he's

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Speaker 1: playing like this. But if he's playing this.

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Speaker 2: You'd also rather have a guy who's a gold glove

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Speaker 2: first baseman. Like if you're getting rid of him and

538
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Speaker 2: hoping that Estoc Parates can play first base for two years,

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Speaker 2: you know you have them for the same amount of time.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, just remember that when they had the Nolan

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Speaker 1: Arnaudo deal on the one yard line, like the whole

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Speaker 1: plan was to play Socc Paradus at first base. Like

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Speaker 1: they had figured this out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I knew. I mean, I know that they're comfortable

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Speaker 2: with that. But I'm saying, if you're having to just

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Speaker 2: dump the contract of Walker, you might as well just

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Speaker 2: keep Walker and get value back for Pardes if that

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Speaker 2: makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean, at the end of the day

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Speaker 1: you'd get more, you'd get a haul for Jeremy Panna.

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Speaker 2: A Hall. That's majorly because that's the other thing is

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Speaker 2: the Astras are in a different window too, where I mean,

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Speaker 2: of course they did get major league ready talent with

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Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker, but that was with one year left of control.

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Speaker 2: I just I do not see a scenario where they

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Speaker 2: would trade two years of especially after he's going to

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Speaker 2: be your best player by a large margin this year.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. I mean, they're not

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Speaker 1: going to extend him, just like they're not gonna just

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Speaker 1: like they weren't going to extend.

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Speaker 2: Like the extend Cam Smith.

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Speaker 1: Go for it. So there's not been much to talk

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Speaker 1: about about the Camsmith hype train as I I know

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Speaker 1: that's that's tough for you because he is uh. He

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Speaker 1: has continued to to scuffle. He hits some balls hard

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Speaker 1: in Miami. He had he had a he got a

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Speaker 1: couple of hits in the first game. I think off

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Speaker 1: of the contra, he said. He he hits some balls

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Speaker 1: hard at Fenway too, but just has not gotten a

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Speaker 1: ton of luck. The abats are looking better, like the

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Speaker 1: quality of the contact is better, but still it's not

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Speaker 1: it's not where they need him to be, it's not

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Speaker 1: where the production needs But again, if the whole lineup

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Speaker 1: is functioning how it did in Miami, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: because they can stick Cam Smith in the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the lineup, hope he gets on base and turn it

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Speaker 1: over and you don't really notice him as much when

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Speaker 1: other guys are going well so. But something happened today

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Speaker 1: that is going to be pretty instructive for Cam Smith's

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Speaker 1: long term future. Red Sox prospect not prospect, he's he's

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Speaker 1: with the big league team now. Roman Anthony, who everyone

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Speaker 1: got to see for the lat for three games this

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Speaker 1: past weekend at Fenway Park, used to be the top

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Speaker 1: position player prospect in baseball, is now like firmly hitting

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Speaker 1: in the top third of Boston's order every night. The

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Speaker 1: Red Sox signed him to an extension. They gave him

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Speaker 1: an extension that on for the Baits is eight years

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Speaker 1: and one hundred and thirty million dollars, but there are

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Speaker 1: escalators and performance bonuses and club and options that could

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Speaker 1: take the deal to a grand total of about two

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million dollars. Why you ask does this,

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Speaker 1: why does this? What does this have to do? With

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Speaker 1: camp Smith. This is the going rate. You are looking

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Speaker 1: at the going rate for a young, really really good

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Speaker 1: premier talent. Now, as people pointed out when I pointed

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Speaker 1: it out on X when the news broke, Roman Anthony

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Speaker 1: is objectively as of this point, a better player than Campsmith.

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Speaker 1: He has had a better start to his career hiss,

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Speaker 1: he had more prospect Cacheer like he is right now

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Speaker 1: a better player than camp Smith. What I can tell

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Speaker 1: you is that sometimes doesn't matter. Agents and camps use

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Speaker 1: similar deals like this as blueprints for negotiating. Roman Anthony

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Speaker 1: is twenty one years old and has you know, forty

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Speaker 1: seven games of major league experience. Cam Smith is twenty

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Speaker 1: two years old. They both play corner outfield. We're a

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Speaker 1: reminder of that. Camp Smith is twenty two years old

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Speaker 1: now has ninety nine games of major league experience. They're

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Speaker 1: about the same and war Granted, Anthony has played fewer games,

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Speaker 1: but cam Smith had a forty six game stretch this

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Speaker 1: season where his numbers were better than Roman Anthony's. Suffice

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Speaker 1: to say, these are two guys that same same amount

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Speaker 1: of service time came up at the same time, they

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Speaker 1: played the same position. They they are the same sort

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Speaker 1: of budding stars as one another. I'm not sitting here

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Speaker 1: saying that cam Smith is going to get one hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty million or two hundred and thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's worth that. All I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is the Astro the Red Sox, signing Roman Anthony to

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Speaker 1: that extension is going to make it more difficult for

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Speaker 1: the Astros to get any thing done with camp Smith,

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Speaker 1: if that is even their intention, because as we have said, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: the time to do this was before Opening Day. The

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Speaker 1: time to do this was before cam Smith stepped on

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Speaker 1: a major league field. The Red Sox did that with

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Speaker 1: Christian Campbell, who broke there, who broke spring training with

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Speaker 1: the team. They gave him an eight year, sixty million

648
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Speaker 1: dollar extension before he played a big league game. Christian

649
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 1: Campbell is now in TRIPAA and really doesn't have many

650
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: signs of coming back up and cracking at least this

651
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: Red Sox roster. So sometimes those things backfire on you. You've

652
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: got to take a risk, and I'm not saying that

653
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: the extension backfired on Campbell. He could still end up

654
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: being a great player, and it can end up being

655
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: a bargain. But this deal with Roman Anthony is going

656
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: to make extending Cam Smith that much harder because his

657
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: agents are going to use this deal and they're not

658
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: going to say he is worth this. They're not going

659
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: to say he's worth more, but they're going to say, well,

660
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: if Roman Anthony got this, we need to be in

661
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: that ballpark somewhere.

662
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: That's a ballpark. I'm fine living in eight years. One

663
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million dollars is sixteen and a half

664
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: million dollars a year in eight years. That's going to

665
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: look like nothing if if they're good at all. I mean,

666
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker this year in arbitration got sixteen and a

667
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: half million dollars. Eight years from now is going to

668
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: be double that For a player of his caliber, it'll

669
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: be fine. And it's not. It's not the type of

670
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: deal that destroys your team. You know, this isn't like

671
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: the Pirate's payroll or whatever, where if you have one

672
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: player making sixteen million dollars who isn't performing, your whole

673
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: team craters. I mean, that's a that's a good deal,

674
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: and I'm but again like that's what it takes to

675
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: do these types of things. But it it It makes

676
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: sense from the from the astroside and from the player's side,

677
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: that's that is a more than reasonable deal for someone

678
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: who has already shown that you know, they are major

679
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: league caliber players. Victor Quaranteen. I mean he's having an

680
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: incredible year. Victor Quarantini's making six million dollars. You're locking

681
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: up a cam Smith type player for ten million dollars

682
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: more a year than what you were expecting to get

683
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: out of Victor Quarantini this year. Is just a good deal.

684
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: And also let's let's also remember you need to remember

685
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: the structure of this roman Anthemy deal. He's not getting

686
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: everything up like this isn't like the AAV is the

687
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: exact same every year. It's it's his first couple of years,

688
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: his his salary is only like two million dollars, and

689
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: then three million dollars, and then five million dollars, and

690
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: then as he gets into ARB, it's the salary is

691
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: commeserate with what they believe his ARB salary would be.

692
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: And then the last three years of the deal that's

693
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: when it really kicks in. Of like he's making twenty

694
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: five to thirty million dollars a year. So it's a

695
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: put then it's a backloaded deal. Yeah, but when you

696
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: look at it, like even if it's just a one

697
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million dollar deal with no escalators, that

698
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: could get it higher, Like that'd be the biggest deal

699
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 1: in franchise history. It'd be the biggest deal Jim Crane

700
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: has ever given a player of any ilk And I'm

701
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: not sure that they're ready to go there yet. I'm

702
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: not sure. Like again, Jim has as we talked. I

703
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: wrote about this at the deadline, and you guys have

704
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: talked about it and we're talking about it now. Like

705
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: Jim's seeing a lot of success using this, using his methods,

706
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: using his procedures, and using using kind of the way

707
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: he does business. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

708
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't see him waking up and like, hey, you

709
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: know what, Cam Smith's had two terrible months, but his guy,

710
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: his people wants to give him one hundred and seventy

711
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty million dollars, let's do it. Like, No,

712
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. And I just realized

713
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. That wouldn't be the biggest deal in franchise history,

714
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: be the second biggest because HOSEL two I got one

715
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars in his second extension. So

716
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's fascinating to look at because it's

717
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: one of these things, like it's a butterfly effect kind

718
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: of thing, like rookie like everyone has talked about wanting

719
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: to be like Dana Brown what he did in Atlanta, right,

720
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: like he can't. Well, he didn't do it. Alexanthopolis did it.

721
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: But when Dana Brown came to Houston, he was all about, works,

722
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: we're locking all these guys up, We're we're getting all

723
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: these these guys and just like we did in Atlanta,

724
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: and then as it manifested, they did what they've done.

725
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: One pre orb extension it was with Christian Hobvier and

726
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: he hasn't pitched in fifteen months, so that's not really

727
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: working out very well. But and I'm not saying it

728
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: won't work out, but it's one of those things, Like

729
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: I think it also underscores how you've got to take

730
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: risks sometimes, like you can't wait for these guys to

731
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: prove their worth to you, because by the time these

732
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: guys do prove their worth to you, they're probably already

733
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: out of your price range. Just in terms of how

734
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: Jim Crane and how the Ashers run their business.

735
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see if it were maybe even a

736
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: longer contract. It's starting to make more sense for a

737
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: team too. Where it's because again Jim Crank could look

738
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: at this and say, why would I pay someone one

739
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars for eight years of control when I

740
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: know that I'm going to get six years and if

741
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: you're performing that well, I'll be happy to pay you

742
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: that in arbitration, and if you're not, I don't have

743
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: to pay you that much anyway. So like, what is

744
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: those two extra years of control worth? Especially when you

745
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: can keep pumping out talent like the Astros have done,

746
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: So you know it either way is fine. He's here

747
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: for a while. I agree. I mean, I don't think

748
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: that they would extend him. You know, they they had

749
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: the Alex Bregman extension. They've had some of those things, but.

750
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 1: Which the Alex Bregman extension was. That was great work

751
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: by Jeff Luno because that was an absolute fleece job

752
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: and to the point where Alex Bregman left the agent

753
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: that negotiated it for him for another agent. I don't

754
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: think that that was specifically that had something to do

755
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: with it, but that was that that that deal would

756
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: not be taken today, Like you could not do that

757
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: deal today.

758
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.

759
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be hard.

760
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Speaking of extensions, Uh you remember John Singleton signing that

761
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: extension before. Yeah, and it didn't hurt the Astros. It

762
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: was fine. Good for them, I know, welcome back. Do

763
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: you think that they kept his jersey, Like did they

764
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: just pull it out of storage or.

765
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: At this point, like they should just never throw anything

766
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: they have.

767
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: They have a locker ready for him, just.

768
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: Any and either Sugarland or Houston, just he just keep

769
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: his locker. Yeah, he'll be back at some point. Yeah.

770
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: Good.

771
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: I was telling I may have said this on another episode,

772
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: but I was talking to someone with the Astros, like

773
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: when when Singleton was still on the team and he

774
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: came up, came out of the dugout and we just

775
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: kind of looked at each other. Said, in fifteen years,

776
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: like I looked at the person I was talking to him, said,

777
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: you'll probably be retired, God willing, I still will not

778
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: be covering the Astros in fifteen years. I'll be somewhere

779
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: else doing something, maybe out of the industry. Who can say.

780
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: But the one thing that will always be constant, John

781
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: Singleton will somehow still be on this team fifteen he will.

782
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: He will be on this team, taking it at bat

783
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: in the seventh inning against the right handed leverage.

784
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: I bet he'd be a great first base coach. Chess

785
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 2: popped out and spitting seeds the whole like. I bet

786
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: he'd rule it that.

787
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: He'd be intimidating too. Yeah, he'd like intimidate the first

788
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: basement standing there like I wouldn't want to like turn.

789
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: That's a big man.

790
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: Smart.

791
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Astros are going to the Bronx this weekend, right,

792
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: I'm not Yes, I am skipping it. I will not

793
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: be in the Bronx this weekend.

794
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: What bar are you going to have to go do

795
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: to watch it since you can't do it at home?

796
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: Well, the Friday and Sunday National Games, Oh, okay, I'll

797
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: be able to out. I'll be able to watch those.

798
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I'll be able to watch the team I'm

799
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 1: paid to cover. That'd be great.

800
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: You're welcome to come over here and we watch it

801
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: on my phone on mute while I'm playing with the kids.

802
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: So you're welcome to come do that.

803
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: With me? Is that what I have to play with

804
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: the kids.

805
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: Oh, we played a couple of blue games today. It's

806
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: a keepy uppy. There's a little balloon that spins and

807
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: they hit the popper. Did that for a good while.

808
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: Come on down, it's a great time.

809
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure your kids are great, but I'm gonna I

810
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: usually pass on anything related to children, but I'm sure

811
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 1: yours are love. They're big fans of the show.

812
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they listen a lot. They did recognize you

813
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: the other day as somewhere I forget it popped up

814
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 2: and they're like, there's daddy's friend. So there you go.

815
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 2: That's you in our house.

816
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: At least I'm someone's friend.

817
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

818
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: I'll take what I can get. We will talk more

819
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: about the Ashers. Going to the Bronx with Josh Reddick

820
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: on Friday morning before the series starts should be an

821
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: interesting one. The Astros will throw Hunter Brown and Froberveldees

822
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: in the first two games. They are TBA on Sunday

823
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: against Max Freed, but Hunter Brown will face Cam Shitler

824
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: in the first game. I believe that's gonna be a

825
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: tough one for a lot of broadcasters to say and

826
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: then Luis Heal will pitch on Saturday against from Berveldes.

827
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that on the next episode of

828
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: Crush Shady Territory. Until then, you can follow me on

829
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: x at chandler Underscore Room. You can follow Tyler at

830
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: Tyler C. Stafford. As always. You can rate and review

831
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,440
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832
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834
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835
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836
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837
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,799
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838
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Speaker 1: I said, we'll be back on Friday to preview Astros

839
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: Yankees in the Bronx, where jose L Tuve will be uh.

840
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure warmly greeted by everyone that everyone that attends,

841
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: and in addition to Carlos Korea, who a week ago

842
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: I would not have said Carlos Carea is going to

843
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: the Bronx this weekend. But things things have gone real

844
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: weird here in the last week or so, and we've

845
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: had you covered and we will keep covering it and

846
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: we'll be back and talk to you soon. Thanks guys,

847
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: good moon tonight.

848
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: Bye,