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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 1: We're traveling around the world. We're going to China, We're

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Speaker 1: going to Argentina. We're also going into the future in

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Speaker 1: a very weird way that may directly affect you. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna look at your forearms the same after you

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Speaker 1: listen to a show. Let's let's baby start by going

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Speaker 1: over the Pacific. Uh, and with a little bit of

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Speaker 1: backgrounds here. Uh. You know, we talk about video games

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Speaker 1: in this show. Matt, Nold, Uh, code named Doc and

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Speaker 1: I all have various games that we enjoy and sometimes

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Speaker 1: we've even played online together. But like a lot of

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Speaker 1: think it's common knowledge now they really can be addictive. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: they They are meant to do that, just like social

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Speaker 1: media is meant to send you down a rabbit hole

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Speaker 1: of always having to check your feeds before we jump

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Speaker 1: into it, guys, really quickly, can I do one of

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Speaker 1: these fast roll offs of what's happening today or what

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Speaker 1: the same stuff. Okay, well I'll just hit it and

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Speaker 1: then you can finish it if if you got something,

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Speaker 1: uh first, something we were reading about, we haven't covered

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Speaker 1: That's crazy and definitely something we're talking about. The US

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Speaker 1: is also conducting strikes again, drone strikes in Afghanistan, as

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Speaker 1: is slightly different. But the big question with that you

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Speaker 1: big issue with that, most analysts would say is that

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Speaker 1: which is what all these folks are trying to guess at.

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Speaker 1: But for anybody who has seen that in the news,

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Speaker 1: Nord Delta community UM and the Nord Delton's or you know,

427
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them. The residents there are

428
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: not too happy about it. UM. And there's more to

429
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: this story. It's actually than meets the eye. That's really interesting.

430
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: So Nord Delta is actually was built in an area

431
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: of wetlands on the Luhan River Delta that's right by

432
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: Buenos Aires, and it's an area that has been under

433
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: a lot of scrutiny, and lots of areas in this

434
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: part of the country a lot a lot of scrutiny

435
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: by environmentalists who are saying, okay, we need to stop,

436
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, paving paradise and putting up parking lots. You know,

437
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: are like fancy boogie uh communities like this UM. And

438
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: so that's exactly what this was, is one of these

439
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: areas that was being pushed to be protected by the government,

440
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: but the government is in fact instead subsidizing this type

441
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: of construction UM and you know, paving over these these areas.

442
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: And so essentially the cappy bars or carpin shows as

443
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: they're known colloquially in that region are essentially just kind

444
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: of hanging around the area that they already were living in.

445
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's like a how how recent

446
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: it maybe maybe just be a story that's kind of

447
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: popped recently. But um, I'm not sure where they came

448
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: from or if they were just kind of hanging around

449
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: in the in the in the woods and now they're

450
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: just getting bold and coming in, you know and chewting

451
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: on people's lawns. Because this development has been around since

452
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 1: I believe, uh, two thousand roughly, if I'm not mistaken. Um.

453
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: But it's an interesting story because they have become essentially

454
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: like mimified these these these carpin shows, uh, and they've

455
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: been turned into this kind of like symbol of class

456
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: warfare in South America, UM, with these developers and you know,

457
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: like politicians kind of not looking out for the best

458
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: interests of the environment of the people that actually live

459
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: there and maybe that are a little less fortunate. I

460
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: can't afford to live in a place like Nord Delta. Um.

461
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: So all these memes kind of have these little guys

462
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: dressed up in kind of freedom fighter uniforms and like

463
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: photoshopped onto like the bodies of like Afghani, you know. Um,

464
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: militants and things like that. Um, it's very very interesting.

465
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: Like there's a few if you go to uh you

466
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: just type in carpincho u nord delta memes, you should

467
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: be able to find a ton and they're all in

468
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, kind of this Argentinian dialect of Spanish, but

469
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: very much worth a look. Um. But I don't know,

470
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: like this is the kind of thing we see in

471
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: the United States too, Like even with like a store

472
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: preservation and areas that are just kind of like Atlanta

473
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: is really bad about it, um, in terms of bulldozing

474
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: history and building things on top up of it that

475
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: are much less important. You know, you could argue to uh,

476
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: the identity of a place. And I think it's even

477
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: more so the case with environmental stuff, where you're actually

478
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: killing an ecosystem and then getting piste off that like

479
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: the things that you displaced are like coming back and

480
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: pooping on your lawn. Yeah, that's a big issue here.

481
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: Is there a lot of pooping on lawns, Um, A

482
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: lot of eating of shrubberies and you know topiarias and

483
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, gardening and stuff. Um, but I don't know,

484
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: what do you guys think are the carpine shows just

485
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: kind of coming back to claim what's their's or are

486
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: they like an infestation that needs to be dealt with. Uh.

487
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: Capa bara are not invasive. Their native to South America,

488
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: and they've got they've been around for a while. They're

489
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: they're super common. You know, the their conservation status is

490
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: of least concern, which puts them, you know, around what

491
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: you would you would consider squirrels or another smaller rodent

492
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: in your neck of the global woods. Uh. This is

493
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: there's there's a great Guardian piece about this as well.

494
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: The question is really like should they be driven out

495
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: from this community? And it's already exacerbating, of course, the

496
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: ongoing conversation about wealth inequality in Argentina. And this is

497
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: this is like a flashpoint. This is the ability to

498
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: put a face on something, an adorable face, by the way,

499
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: objectively speaking, where whereas other people outsiders might have been

500
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: just board or a little bit sedated by a barrage

501
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: of statistics and graphs and trends. Uh and you know,

502
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: g D P, etcetera. So I think it's I think

503
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: it's convenient. Um, I also think it's efficacious. I think

504
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: it's a good thing to spread awareness. We should mention

505
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: cappy bar are not violent creatures at all, and they're

506
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: huge in Japan, I mean literally, but also they're very popular. Yeah.

507
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: There there were some complaints too from residents that the

508
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: capin bars were biting their dogs. Um. And there's this

509
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: ecologist named Enrique Viale who kind of summed up what

510
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: I was just saying a minute ago, really very succinctly says, um,

511
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: it's the other way around. Nord Delta invaded the ecosystem

512
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: of the Carpeen shows Um. And this is a guy

513
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: who's been campaigning for ten years to pass laws to

514
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: defend these wetlands. There are reasons, actually functional reasons for

515
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: preserving these wetlands other than just like that they're like

516
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: beautiful and have these kind of diverse environments. It actually

517
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: can cause problems in other areas. Essentially, when you have

518
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: these wetlands, they can actually act as like buffers against

519
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: wildfires because they're you know, wet, and they keep wildfires

520
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: from spreading. You mentioned that Guardian piece Ben, which is

521
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: fantastic by Yuki Goni reporting from Buenos Aires. Uh, and

522
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: he points out that there's been this huge amount of

523
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: sprawl that's been happening in in this part of the country,

524
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: in northern Argentina, these wetlands specifically ones referred to as

525
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: the Piranhia wetlands. They go from the northern tip of

526
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: Argentina to the river Plate and then all they the

527
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean. Um. And there are things like they're these

528
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: soy farmers that have also dispossessed a lot of this

529
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: land and then you know, made into these giant factory

530
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: farms for la it's called soy mega farming mondo agriculture

531
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And it actually can cause uh an uptick

532
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: in wildfires. They can without this buffer you know that

533
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: literally acts as like a safeguard you know, between these

534
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: fires and like areas around them. So when you start

535
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: to get rid of these and these developers that are

536
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: just kind of doing this stuff very quickly without thinking

537
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: about the big picture, um, you can have some real problems.

538
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: And and who does that affect. It affects poorer neighborhoods

539
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: that either end up getting flooded, you know during weather

540
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: events you know um or you know, their communities can

541
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: get burned to be victims of these fires. So it's

542
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: ultimately kind of upstairs downstairs kind of situation, which I

543
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: think is why the memes have taken such hold, because

544
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: you're right, man, it is putting a face, a very

545
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: cute face, on a much larger problem that does not

546
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: necessarily involve the cappy bars themselves. But it's just like

547
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: a bigger issue, a systemic issue that I think it

548
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: needs to be dealt with, but it doesn't necessarily look

549
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: like it's going to be because it does appear there

550
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: is also, you know, quite a bit of pocket lining

551
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: going on in the government and their connection and developers,

552
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: and you know, it's not uncommon, especially in this part

553
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: of the world and in this region of South America.

554
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: But um, do you guys see any potential for something

555
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: positive coming out of this or is it just like

556
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: a flash in the pan kind of meme you know,

557
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: party with that will eventually die. I mean, just speaking

558
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: for myself again, raising awareness of what's going on, it's

559
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: it's fascinating and it's predictable that people in people outside

560
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: of the region, people outside of Argentina, will tend to

561
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: be more aware and tend to care about something if

562
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: the information comes to them in an easily digestible, largely

563
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: visual form like a meme. Will that result in action?

564
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: Will that result in um substantive conversations about how to

565
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: how to address wealth inequality in Argentina? I mean, that's

566
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: that's a tough call. I I hope it happens. I

567
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: think a capit barra is a very good mascot for

568
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: a cause, you know what I mean? The US has

569
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: some odd choices for their their political mascots. Right, it's

570
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: still what a donkey and an elephant? Right? Last I checked? Yeah?

571
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: And uh, and so why not a capybara. That's what

572
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you, if you're listening, uh, this might

573
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: be this might be a good thing to have as

574
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: a representative of a party. Perhaps. Now you've been quiet

575
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: on this one. What do you think I've been super

576
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: quiet because I really like copy bars. I feel like

577
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: I remember reading about them being eaten in some cultures

578
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: because they were so because they were so prevalent, they

579
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: just existed everywhere, and like many rodents, they proliferate and

580
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: then you can eat them because there's so many. Yeah,

581
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: they can also eat their own feces as a source

582
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: of new nutrition or sorry, gut Flora's superpower. It's a

583
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: weird one. It's it's a gift and curse, you know,

584
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: heavy ways the head, even leaving lunch for somebody else.

585
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Way to think about it, I think they're um, they're

586
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: fur is also used, but it's it's like any other animal.

587
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: It's not universally accepted as a good source of nutrition,

588
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: not by not by everybody. Is my understanding. At least

589
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: got you that aside. No, um, I don't know. It's

590
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: really what you guys are talking about. That's what. Sorry,

591
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: it's been quiet because I agree with a lot of

592
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: the points that are being made year. If you can

593
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: put a cute face to anything to any cause, or

594
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: a face is memorable or an image that's striking, much

595
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: like just the stoic look of a cappy bara as

596
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: it's looking out into the distance, that's a good point.

597
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna get people to get on board, yeah with

598
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: that thing. So it reminds me of the story Ben

599
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: and I did on Ridiculous History once about this guerrilla

600
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: in Johannesburg that escaped from I'm sorry. A criminal was

601
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: running away from cops and he fell into this guerrilla

602
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: pit in a zoo and the guerrilla like uh, you know,

603
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: held him down until the cops got there and it

604
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: was during apartheid. So the guerrilla I can't remember the

605
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: grilla's name, but became this kind of smax became the

606
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: symbol of like, you know, uh, rule of law, you

607
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and kind of like almost became

608
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: this like batman esque guerrilla figure. Um, this is obviously

609
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: not just one cappy bar. This is many of them,

610
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: and there're so a gain. These memes are great. Like

611
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: there's one where it's like, but she's just showing how

612
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: many they are, how many there are, and there's just

613
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: like a bunch of capy bar I just kind of

614
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: lazing around. There's a cute little fat boys. Um, but

615
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: it's saying like copy bar is practicing social distancing because

616
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: they're links sinks feet away from each other roughly. It's

617
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: really cute. But yeah, check it out, especially if you

618
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: read Spanish and if you can't, Google Translate was doing

619
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: a pretty fine job on these. And I would recommend

620
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: the website per Feel I think that's how you say it.

621
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: P E R f I L dot com. There's some

622
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: pretty good reporting about the wet lands conservation efforts. You

623
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: can check that. Yeah, yeah, okay, so maybe let's do

624
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of positivity and some eye bleach. So positivity.

625
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: One thing that could come out of this is if

626
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: the if the Kappa bara population becomes livestock, if they're farmed,

627
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: then that would ensure that the wetland habitats are protected.

628
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: Is there an enterprising member of this community who's already

629
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: well to do? Is like, I'll get some good pr

630
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: and getting the kappa bar business. Possibly. But the more

631
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: wetlands you can save, the fewer wildfires you will have.

632
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: So I think that's I think that's an important aspect

633
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: um for eye bleach. If you want your person who

634
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: enjoys kind of serene, peaceful things, then why not check

635
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: out the multiple YouTube clips of capybara in Japan. Uh

636
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: They're soaking in hot springs and they look very much

637
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: at piece. It's it looks like a cartoon. It looks

638
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Speaker 1: like it's from Studio Ghibli. You'll feel a little bit

639
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: better about what's going on about whatever is going on hotly,

640
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I I completely agree Pen, they are adorable images. Um,

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Speaker 1: But for now, while y'all are checking those out, we're

642
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Speaker 1: gonna pop to a quick break for a work more

643
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Speaker 1: sponsor and then we'll be back with one more strange news.

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Speaker 1: We have returned, Doc nol Matt. I just sent a

645
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Speaker 1: brief video Cappy Barra taking a soap at a Tokyo zoo,

646
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe that'll get us through the next really

647
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: weird conversation we're about to have. Oh yeah, I'm sorry, Ben,

648
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a tab open with Cathy bar of

649
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: pictures now as we do this whole segment, because I

650
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: cannot take my eyes away from these adorable little dudes.

651
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Speaker 1: How did they happen? Do you ever see an animal

652
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: and you just think, how? How did that happen? Most

653
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: of us have a passing knowledge of evolution right for

654
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: the for the first time ever, quite recently here in

655
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: the United States. Uh, the majority of people agreed with

656
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: the concept of evolution. Did you hear about that? That

657
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: was a recent poll. No, that's great. People are on

658
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: board with evolution mainly. Yep, yep. How long did that take?

659
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: I saw your attention to an article from just yesterday

660
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: on Science Alert, which is a great website. More Americans

661
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: are finally coming around to accepting the science of evolution.

662
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: I guess all those little, uh little edits they made

663
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: and textbooks didn't keep it didn't stick, you know, yeah,

664
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Speaker 1: yeah it was. I think the first time it became

665
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Speaker 1: a majority was in twenties sixteen, so more recent than

666
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: a lot of people would maybe like to admit. Uh.

667
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Speaker 1: Now we are in a situation where evolution, as weird

668
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: as it may seem. You know, you see a platypus,

669
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Speaker 1: that's the most famous example. You see a giraffe and

670
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, that's a very specific flex, right, how

671
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: did that happen? And then you see things like a

672
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: capybara and you're thinking, do they not have predators? They

673
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: live in a Disney Pixar environments. That neck to body

674
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: ratio is way off. It's just that it shouldn't shouldn't

675
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: be for a giraffe. No, No, for a copy of bara.

676
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's like their head. It feels

677
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: like it's it would be hard for it to hold

678
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: it up it's so big and it has such little neck,

679
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't know. It's just a

680
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: very very weird, stumpy creature and I don't understand what

681
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: it's for. I feel weird saying it, and not to

682
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: not to shame them, but they don't look like they

683
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: can run or I met if they try and throw

684
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: cute though I know, I know, it's like you. You

685
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: would want to sit there and go ah, you can

686
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: do it on your own. Shucks a little buddy. Fast forward,

687
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: third act of the Pixar. This Capabarra has just one

688
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: animal Olympics exactly so. So the thing is Capabara aren't

689
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Speaker 1: the only animals that have evolved. They're not the only

690
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: animals that will evolve right on on this planet. No

691
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: matter what happens with the current season of life on Earth,

692
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: which is heavy on humans, human beings are evolving as well.

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Speaker 1: If you are listening to this, I would like you

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Speaker 1: to pay very close attention to your arm. Let's do

695
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: let's do a little bit of a thought exercise. Folks

696
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: listening along, playing along at home. So if you can

697
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: close your eyes and just imagine feeling your arms in space.

698
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: If you want to hold them up so that your

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00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: elbows are parallel with your shoulder right, kind of like

700
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: you're making a touchdown, you're pulling a widow's son, then

701
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: you will you'll be able to if you have your

702
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: eyes closed, you really think about it, you'll be able

703
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: to feel the movement of your digits in your hands.

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00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: You may be able to feel your pulse in your arms.

705
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: I don't like this, okay, okay, it trips me out, Ben,

706
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: because I know where we're going with this. And there's

707
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: a reason they call it gross anatomy, because I could

708
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: feel everything that we're about to talk about, and it's

709
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: like it's like we're doing a comedy and I know

710
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: the jokes that you're about to tell, and instead of

711
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: happy and laughter, I've got like ingly sensation and weird

712
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: feelings in my arms. As you're doing all of this,

713
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: you may be feeling something different from your friends, maybe

714
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: even from your family members. Those are a little less

715
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: of a probability of that. And if you are an

716
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: older person than odds are you are definitely feeling something

717
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: different than a very young person. Because I bury the

718
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: lead here a little bit. Human beings are evolving. The

719
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: most recent proven thing is really weird. Uh. We're growing

720
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: extra arteries in our forearms. Why seems to be the answer,

721
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: But it's something called the persistent median artery of the forearm.

722
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Speaker 1: If you stave your arms up, I appreciate the commitment

723
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: you can put them down and your arms will have

724
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: a you have what's called an accessory artery in your

725
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: owner artery in your proximal forearm. And this is something

726
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: that usually like it happens while you are just stating right,

727
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: and it usually typically regresses about eight weeks into gestation.

728
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: But what people have found is that this is staying

729
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: around now. It's supposed to be temporary and it's not

730
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: vanishing anymore. The University of Adelaide and Australia, along with

731
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: some help from researchers at Flinders University, found that more

732
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: and more and more and more adults have an extra channel,

733
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Speaker 1: an extra artery. People have been studying this since the

734
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Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds and no one, no one is sure why

735
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: this is happening. But about ten of people in the

736
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Speaker 1: eighties or so kept this artery, and now it's up

737
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: to thirty, which is a clear trend statistically significant. It

738
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: means that humanity has been able to point to another

739
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: thing that proves it's a work in progress overall, which

740
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: is which is bizarre because it be you know, it

741
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: would be like, um, it would somehow make more sense

742
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: if our eyes were just evolving to be bigger. And

743
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: then you know, people could say oh, the aliens, they're

744
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: visiting folks or humans from the future, et cetera. But

745
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about this? What does this

746
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: make you think of? Did this surprise you? Well? I've

747
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: always thought that it was kind of silly to think

748
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: that we would stop evolving, like if we reached our

749
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: our final form, you know, like I mean it. It

750
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: just seems that we the timeline of our lives and

751
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: our lifetime on this earth and even as a species,

752
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: is so tiny compared to like the whole of evolution

753
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: that's led to this point. I just feel like it's

754
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: inevitable that we will continue, and maybe we'll just see

755
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: little snippets of it like you would in the long

756
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: process that is evolution of another type of species over time.

757
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 1: You wouldn't clock it overnight. You just see one little

758
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: change that led to another little change that then became,

759
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, important enough to stick around, you know. I

760
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: don't know, That's just how I would I always thought, Ben,

761
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like the guy at a big party and

762
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: it's the first time he's done mushrooms or something. This

763
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: makes me feel very trippy. Like any time we talk anatomy,

764
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: anytime we talk about what's inside of our meat bodies, um,

765
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: and how they function. It wears me out. And to

766
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: think that somehow, over time the instructions that are inside

767
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: all of us just just tiny, like make these tiny,

768
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: tiny little changes. And you know, we breed enough times

769
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: with with someone that has as humans, we breed enough

770
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: times with enough of these changes than they take hold.

771
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: It is weird to think that this thing that may

772
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: maybe what it may be better for dexterity in your hands, right,

773
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: if you've got a little more blood flow something like that, um,

774
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: but it could also lead to terrible things like problems

775
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: with your wrists right or your joint if you if

776
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: you got that. So like I'm trying to imagine what

777
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: would be the what would be the reason that this

778
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: thing would be successful as a mutation? You know. Yeah, yeah,

779
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: So this is and I've tricked us a little bit

780
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: because this is news for evolution, and news on an

781
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: evolutionary scale is not quite news the day. But I've

782
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: got some cool news of the day to make up

783
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: with as we close. Um. The same way, like geological

784
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: time is not really clock time. Yes, the Yellowstone Caldera

785
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: is about to blow, but about means does not mean Thursday,

786
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: and so, so here's the idea the researchers based on

787
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: their work published in the Journal of Anatomy back in

788
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: so they imagine that having this persistent media and artery

789
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: could give you more of a boost of blood supply,

790
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: making your fingers possibly more dexterous, giving you a little

791
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: extra mph in your forearms, while at the same time

792
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: putting you at a higher risk of carpal tunnel syndrome.

793
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: So there's a cost cost benefit, like you said, just

794
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: like some people who have evolved to be more resistant

795
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: to malaria may also suffer from sickle cell anemia. I

796
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: really hope that I have them just for my I

797
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: don't know, drumming needs. And did you did you say

798
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: there was a number of percentage of of of how

799
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: often this is happening that's higher than it used to

800
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: be or something like that, or how often this is

801
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: making it out of the womb or out of the

802
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: gestation period. Yep, there was a ten percent chance for

803
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: adults to have this mutant artery, which are just calling

804
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: it for the click baity nature of it. Uh, back

805
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: in the eighties and now it's about thirty and seems

806
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: to be rising. So if you're listening. You have children

807
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: right now, then this is not a certitude, but the

808
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: odds are that they are going to be more likely

809
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: to have this remaining in adulthood. But again, I mean

810
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: from the eighteen eighties to the present day, it's only

811
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: just like a blip on. And what we would look

812
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: at like as an evolutionary timeline, I mean most the

813
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: evolution of certain species and in these mutations that end

814
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: up sticking because of changes in environment or whatever. I mean,

815
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: those can take thousands of years. That's why we're we're

816
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: not talking about a giraffe like neck that we're all developing.

817
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: We're talking about a fairly tiny piece of tissue, right,

818
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what it is, and it's not

819
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: a new thing. It's just sticking around longer. Like the

820
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: ability to digest uh dairy into adulthood, that is, that

821
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: is largely a juvenile trait for many organisms. You know, um,

822
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: at least the milk drinking ones. I don't know why

823
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: that sounded weird, just say that milk drinkers, the milk drinkers.

824
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: But let me let me hit you with one more

825
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: here another example. Oh and by the way, pretty one

826
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: who isn't aware of what we're talking about. The ability

827
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: to digest lactose dairy products into adulthood is a mutation,

828
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: and we know it's a mutation because not every member

829
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: of the human species has it. It's it's weird catching on.

830
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: But then also blue eyes were mutation, probably from like

831
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: one person in Estonia. What's their story about. I'm just

832
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: gonna hit you all with this. Uh, the extra blood

833
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: vessel you may have is not the only thing. You

834
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: may be getting. A new nee bone, a very old

835
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 1: nee bone, but yeah, check the check the zoom chat.

836
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: There's a knee bone called the fabella, and it used

837
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: to be really rare in human beings, but as of

838
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, turned out that it is three times more

839
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,479
Speaker 1: common than it was just a hundred years ago. So, Nol,

840
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: you brought up an excellent point. Evolution happens slowly, right,

841
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: at least in the way a human being would think

842
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: of it an individual scale. So why does this stuff

843
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: seem to be increasing so so very quickly. The first

844
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: answer is probably we're paying more attention to it and

845
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: we're noticing more things. You know, those studies back in

846
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: the eighties maybe weren't as comprehensive, So maybe maybe you

847
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: had that extra blood vessel all along. I don't know

848
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: what to do with this other than to be amazed.

849
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: It's not really a conspiracy, except whether you think there

850
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: might be some people still today attempting to guide evolution

851
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: in one way or another. This is probably just like

852
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Speaker 1: stone or talk like let's do it late, late night

853
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: bar talk kind of stuff. But I've always wondered if,

854
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: like the way our brains are used now differently in

855
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: the way they were used because of things like you know,

856
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: smartphones and the Internet, and parts of our brains. Maybe

857
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: we're once devoted to like remembering people's phone numbers or

858
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, certain things that we now have like assists

859
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: with all of this technology that we don't need to anymore.

860
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: Do you think that part of our brain gets like

861
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: repurposed for other stuff that makes us smarter or is

862
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: it a balancing act because we're also dumbing ourselves down

863
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: by just like you know, reading tweets and like looking

864
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: at internet clickbait trash all the time. Like I just wonder,

865
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: like if there's parts of our brains that are maybe

866
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: just just shifts. But is that a form of evolution

867
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: that can actually be influenced by technology. Yeah, that's a

868
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: really interesting question. One good way to look at this

869
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: would be through analogy. So what what we're seeing now

870
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: and what we're able to measure now would be uh

871
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: individual changes that may follow similar patterns, Like we know

872
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: to the earlier story about video game addiction, that this

873
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: video game environment can alter structural aspects of an individual's brain.

874
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: But the question of whether or not those changes are

875
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: heritable inheritable meaning like you know your kid would be

876
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: way better at Tatris than you because you put in

877
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: the time or something like that. That's that's not quite

878
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: the same thing. To do that, we have to understand that,

879
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: we'd have to understand a lot more about epigenetics, which

880
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: simply is not there. What we do know is that

881
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: experts largely agree if you go back three hundred thousand

882
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: years ago in time and you ran into early Homo sapiens,

883
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: you would see their brain size was already pretty much

884
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: the same as your friends and fellows here in one.

885
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: But with that being said, here's the analogy that I

886
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: think works. So let's say you, for some reason, you're

887
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: born your normal and you decide that you don't want

888
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: to use your left arm ever, use everything else but

889
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: your left arm. Increasingly, your left arm will attrophy. And

890
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: let's say you meet someone and you get together, fall

891
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: in love or don't, but you have a kid. Is

892
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: the point that kid's not going to have an atro

893
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: feed left arm because of your actions, that kid will

894
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly likely without some intervening variable, they'll have the ability

895
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: to use both arms. So what happens to your individual

896
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: haunted house? Because I believe human beings are just ghosts

897
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: haunting their own houses. Like whatever happens to your house

898
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: is not going to affect the next house in that way.

899
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: And we still have a lot to learn about it.

900
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: And maybe now we'll be able to learn a little

901
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: bit faster because maybe we can all type a little

902
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: bit faster. I don't know what is that, but I

903
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: think you got into a nature versus nurture that but

904
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: a little bit because if that kid grows up hanging

905
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: out with the parent who never uses their left arm,

906
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: maybe they started going, oh, I kind of want to

907
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: be like my parents. Maybe I don't want to use

908
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: my left arm. That's true, Yeah, nature versus nurture absolutely,

909
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: but it's also like you know, I mean the idea

910
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: of good genes are like, you know, your dad was

911
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 1: a really great basketball player, therefore you automatically are built

912
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,479
Speaker 1: to be a really great basketball player. But that would

913
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: only work, I think if you put in the work.

914
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: And I think nurture has a lot to do with

915
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: that too. If you're you are aspiring to be this thing,

916
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: maybe you have some natural ability, but was that developed

917
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: from like you know generations that then like the somehow?

918
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: And that's what epigenetics is, right, It's the idea of like,

919
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, changes in the expression of genes, I think,

920
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: without affecting like the the overall DNA sequence, But it's

921
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: the idea of heritable traits that could be things like

922
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, ability related. Right. Yeah. There there's a lot

923
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: of really fascinating stuff on on epigenetics, and it is important,

924
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: It is very important to understand this fully. Uh, it's

925
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 1: probably more than we have time to go into today,

926
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: but we would love to hear your thoughts. Why do

927
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: you think people seem to be evolving this quote unquote

928
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: extra artery? Do you get a weird knee bone? Tell

929
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: us about it. What's your position on evolution and what

930
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: if any role is modern technology playing people are definitely

931
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: outsourcing functions of their brains increasingly to electronic devices, which

932
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: which makes sense. It's approaching a cybernetic future, you know

933
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: what I mean, the marriage of meat and machine if

934
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: you want into wax poetic. But that's a story for

935
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: another day. We do hope you tune in to check

936
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: it out. Just to finish with our news round up,

937
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: CBS has reported that UFOs are regularly spotted and restricted

938
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: US airspace. Cool nobody panic U. The US is getting

939
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: removed from the European Union Safe Travel List, so check

940
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: that twice before you get your vacation tickets. And Hurricane

941
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: Ida has reversed the flow of the Mississippi River officially,

942
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: which we we didn't mention earlier. That happened just about

943
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: three hours ago before we went into recording. So our

944
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: thoughts are with everybody who is in the area and

945
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: make sure your loved ones are safe. Really interesting, I

946
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: think there must be a phenomenon that happens regularly with

947
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: this kind of category of hurricane, because there is a

948
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: documentary around Hurricane Katrina called Put the River in Reverse,

949
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: So I think that must be a reference to that

950
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: must be a thing that happens I've never heard. I

951
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: didn't ever think about that. What isn't common is how

952
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: quickly this thing ramped up. You can read stories about

953
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: that right now, about how much more dangerous this this

954
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: tropical storm slash group of thunderstorms became a hurricane then

955
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: ramped way up to a Category four so fast it

956
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: was just five miles under being a Cat five for

957
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: a minute. Uh. And of course, one more argument against

958
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: people wearing masks. The famous or infamous televangelist Jim Baker

959
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: has complained that God cannot hear your prayers if you

960
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: are wearing a mask. Oh, because it's too muffled. I

961
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: guess your prayers are too muffled. Well, I'm not an expert.

962
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know he had to actually hear with like ears.

963
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of assumptions being made

964
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: here that God has ears and is listening, presumably with

965
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: some sort of high powered listening device from so so

966
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: far away. You think the mask wouldn't really be a concern. Yeah,

967
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: not high powered enough apparently. But let us let us know,

968
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: let us know your thoughts on what we shared today.

969
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: We are going to have a full episode on video

970
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: game addiction. Uh. It is worthwhile, it's important, it might

971
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: hit close to home for us. Uh. We are also

972
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: keeping a close eye on the developments not just in

973
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: Afghanistan but around the world. We want to hear your

974
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: thoughts a capa Barra and Argentina. We want to hear

975
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the idea of humans evolving. And above all,

976
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: please be well, stay safe and don't hesitate to reach

977
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: out to us with strange news of your own. We

978
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear you. And also we did an

979
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: episode on prosperity theology. Right do that Craflo Dollar make

980
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: you holler so they can finance his what is it

981
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: gold plated jet jet? Uh? So clever by his church

982
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: the other day. Really is it still open? It was big?

983
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: Is it still mega? That's all I know? It was

984
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: fairy mega, highly mega, got it? So let us know

985
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: all this and more. As we said, we look forward

986
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: to hearing from you, and we try to be easy

987
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: to find, not just online but on phones. You know,

988
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: pull a candy man, send our names in the dark

989
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: and the mirror, et cetera. Yeah, you can do that.

990
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend that one. That one gets real spooky. Um,

991
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see the new Candyman. By the way,

992
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: it's getting really good reviews. And I revisited the old one.

993
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: UM didn't think it held up super great, but still

994
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: some spooky bits, but very much a vic him of

995
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: the nineties, kind of schlocky, you know, acting and stuff.

996
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: But the new one, obviously, we're all huge fans of

997
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: Jordan Peele and I think we're probably all pretty excited

998
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: to see it. But um, short of candy manning us

999
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: into being, you can find us on the Internet where

1000
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: we are conspiracy stuff on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter, conspiracy

1001
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: stuff show on Instagram. That's right, And we do have

1002
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: a phone number, So just flip open your phone, uh

1003
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Speaker 1: and type in one eight three three st d w

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Speaker 1: Tell us whatever you want to tell us. You've got

1006
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: three minutes. Just just go wild with it. And we

1007
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: love to laugh, especially lately or really just getting weird.

1008
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: And once you have time traveled back from the nineteen

1009
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: nineties with your flip phone, UM, you can also send

1010
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: us a good old fashioned email with your computer. We

1011
01:00:54,680 --> 01:01:16,160
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