Speaker 1: On today's episode the Command Center Podcast, we're talking combine
Speaker 1: to attend or not to attend?
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Speaker 1: And then we've got friend's interview stories with a bunch
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Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with Fred Smooth and Santana Moosa
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Speaker 2: It's the calm before the store. So that's it. I
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Speaker 1: We can't do it this week, why because it's the
Speaker 1: NFL combine week, and so I think this is a
Speaker 1: good week to kind of do a little out of
Speaker 1: cleve you a little bit, kind of recapped Tennant and
Speaker 1: Fred's experiences go to the combine.
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Speaker 2: So let's start with the highest level.
Speaker 1: Concept, right, The easiest thing to talk about is what
Speaker 1: is the importance of the combine? And just again this
Speaker 1: is kind of just your first take.
Speaker 4: What I always thought that the most important part of
Speaker 4: us attending the combine is one getting I guess having
Speaker 4: the privilege to attend. To me, I think that was
Speaker 4: the first and foreman. It's like if you if you
Speaker 4: got that call in that inviting saying that, hey you
Speaker 4: want the guys we want to see. To me, that
Speaker 4: was the most important thing. Then then two as a
Speaker 4: player was what we want for the player. I thought
Speaker 4: the interviews was more important than any workout. The interviews
Speaker 4: and the measurements like wining in getting your whole measurements,
Speaker 4: all that stuff to me was more important than me
Speaker 4: doing anything on that field, because I feel like if
Speaker 4: you honestly went out there and did your thing for
Speaker 4: the last few years.
Speaker 2: They have enough tape.
Speaker 4: Now, Yes, they want to see you compete against all
Speaker 4: these other guys, but you don't necessarily have to go
Speaker 4: out there and do it while you up there. Yes,
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that we was the creators.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say because like I remember last year,
Speaker 1: were telling a story about how you were doing your
Speaker 1: way in and the guy was trying to like he
Speaker 1: was trying to like push you to do your forty.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 1: But I do think I do think that you bring
Speaker 1: up a great point like now with the pro day,
Speaker 1: especially if you're like a bigger recruit or a bigger prospect,
Speaker 1: you can go do it in an environment that you know,
Speaker 1: like in your own bed. I think that's something fans
Speaker 1: maybe don't understand. They're why is this guy doing it's forty.
Speaker 1: It's like you like so I don't know how it
Speaker 1: was at New Guys, but like when you go to
Speaker 1: the combine now, like they get you up at like
Speaker 1: six thirty am to do medicals, to go do interviews.
Speaker 3: Speaking of that, this is what I've always felt was
Speaker 3: unfair about to come by. They fly us singing, and
Speaker 3: that first day is all medical.
Speaker 1: It's it's and when he says all medical, like anything
Speaker 1: you've any injury you've had, I got to hang now
Speaker 1: they'll take you.
Speaker 2: You get an MRI. Yes, and so you're in a
Speaker 2: hospital with.
Speaker 5: A bone, marrow man everything.
Speaker 3: And I asked myself, like, while I was there, do
Speaker 3: you actually get the top performance from a guy that
Speaker 3: you just took three packs of blood from and you
Speaker 3: want me to get up the next day and you're
Speaker 3: gonna give me some chocolate and tell me to run
Speaker 3: a forty twenty five as many times? So I always
Speaker 3: felt like, because everything starts with the medical, That's why
Speaker 3: I think the medical is so important is you've seen
Speaker 3: us play, but sometimes.
Speaker 2: We don't even know it's something wrong with us.
Speaker 3: So to get us there for the first day and
Speaker 3: it all to be medical, the second day really all
Speaker 3: to be physical, and the third day all to be mental.
Speaker 1: And it is crazy, like it's so comprehensive. Guys have
Speaker 1: been diagnosed with cancer, blood disorders, part defects.
Speaker 2: Coming out of this thing. It is extremely concible.
Speaker 4: I think one of the things too, that I kind
Speaker 4: of took in of doing all that stuff, they was
Speaker 4: honestly hit. They was actually saying, who can go through this?
Speaker 4: And be prepared to get up tomorrow and do what
Speaker 4: they have to do get their job. So they're testing you.
Speaker 4: You're getting tested while you're getting tested. You see what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Why you being tested?
Speaker 1: But as a guy who coaches like forties and coaches
Speaker 1: vertical jumps, and I work with a facility like in
Speaker 1: the off season, you know it's out in California. They
Speaker 1: do a great job getting guys ready. Is the one
Speaker 1: thing that's like from that perspective is I don't want
Speaker 1: my guy going out there and running a forty when
Speaker 1: he's been up all night.
Speaker 2: Right. Yes, I remember there was one night I was
Speaker 2: walking around the common I was meeting up.
Speaker 1: With a guy like the coach, the forty coach. I
Speaker 1: met up with him and it was like ten thirty
Speaker 1: and he was doing forty prep with guys for the
Speaker 1: next day at ten thirty and I'm like, they should
Speaker 1: be in bed.
Speaker 2: But they just they're like, I can't go to bed.
Speaker 1: It's like it was even more they couldn't go to
Speaker 1: bed because they had a they had interview at eleven, yes,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, this is not fair to
Speaker 1: the guys. If you want the best performance now, I
Speaker 1: understand you want the guys to compete to all that.
Speaker 5: People usually want a fast of forty cool.
Speaker 2: It's your turf, man, it's your bed, it's your food.
Speaker 3: And you just ain't get no blood today before Like
Speaker 3: you're you ain't eve nervous.
Speaker 2: Think about this.
Speaker 5: You played your whole life playing football.
Speaker 3: You have put up enormous status, so you wouldn't even
Speaker 3: be here right and now everything comes down to you
Speaker 3: putting your hand on his line. And if I run
Speaker 3: a bad forty, that just dropped me. Like so it's like,
Speaker 3: damn if I don't, damn that if I do. But
Speaker 3: also this was another thing medically that I said because
Speaker 3: Adrian Wilson, our classmates say dead Arizona. I'm behind him
Speaker 3: in the dB line. You remember we have to walk
Speaker 3: on stage and I little tight. I have boxes over there. Sure,
Speaker 3: And they get up there and they say Adrian Wilson
Speaker 3: you know he had to you know, cun around and
Speaker 3: they call out his injuries to pick told me by
Speaker 3: the time they finished talking to him, I mean saying
Speaker 3: his stuff about Loud, I was like, is he gonna
Speaker 3: make a player and we know what type of career
Speaker 3: he had. Then I get up there and I'm way
Speaker 3: skinny to him. I ain't never had injury in college.
Speaker 3: I never missed the game, never anything. But now I
Speaker 3: got to turn around all these general managers in there,
Speaker 3: Fridge smood six feet one seventy five Missipi State, and
Speaker 3: it's just this glorified cattle call. It's a total cattle call.
Speaker 3: And that's why I was always had mixed emotions about it.
Speaker 1: And it's so weird because they take those they take
Speaker 1: pictures of you, they take a front facing and a side.
Speaker 2: Facing, and then when you're watching.
Speaker 1: So when I was playing, I'd always go watch like
Speaker 1: the tight Ends and watch the combine and you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of for fun. And the video that they
Speaker 1: have starts with that picture.
Speaker 2: Yes, it starts with them. I hate it. And so
Speaker 2: it's everyone sees, yea, you know what he's not calling
Speaker 2: to Tom Braden. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And not only that, man, I mean you find out.
Speaker 4: I mean we all knew it's a lot of characters.
Speaker 4: We got one here with us, but in that line,
Speaker 4: it's got you got hecklers, you got guys that's talking
Speaker 4: like a chand was near me and I'm like, bro,
Speaker 4: this dude.
Speaker 2: He won't stop talking.
Speaker 4: Johnson, Chad Johnson, he wouldn't stop talking. And I'm like, boy, like,
Speaker 4: this is the time for us to be SI And
Speaker 4: I'm like, and that's another thing when you have so
Speaker 4: many guys, because you got to think about it too,
Speaker 4: because we came from an era when everybody didn't have
Speaker 4: a Pro Day.
Speaker 2: You had to have. It was a privilege to have
Speaker 2: a program. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, like I was saying, before I even you know,
Speaker 4: got cut off, I was saying, I'm not sure we
Speaker 4: was one of the teams that set the bar for
Speaker 4: Pro Days, but I do believe that Miami at one
Speaker 4: point in time had so many guys leaving at one
Speaker 4: time they just auto Maggan knew like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 4: got to stop were going there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So we always took.
Speaker 4: Pride in saying, hey, yeah far as the teams, you know,
Speaker 4: all the teams knew that Miami guys ain't coming here
Speaker 4: to do nothing, you know, and they don't get mad
Speaker 4: at them for that.
Speaker 2: But also there was guys that was locally.
Speaker 4: That probably played off, you know, how to stayed in college,
Speaker 4: but they from Miami and they was like, bro were
Speaker 4: coming down there.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't work with y'all because.
Speaker 4: All the schools, all the teams, all thirty plus teams
Speaker 4: are coming there to watch you guys.
Speaker 2: So I've always took it.
Speaker 4: I never took it for granted when we was there,
Speaker 4: even though they did all the whole having us up
Speaker 4: all night. But I feel like we were so prepared
Speaker 4: mentally from the coaching staff that we had what they're
Speaker 4: gonna do, because all of them was x NFL coach. Yeah, Miami,
Speaker 4: we had Bush Davis and Butch Davis came from the Cowboys,
Speaker 4: and most of his staff was you know, you know
Speaker 4: throughout the league. They told us way ahead of time
Speaker 4: what's to be expected. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: the one thing that we're gonna do is put a
Speaker 4: show on at home. So we had that confidence knowing that, look,
Speaker 4: this is our privilege. We played the kind of football
Speaker 4: that they want to see, so they gonna come watch
Speaker 4: us at home. So that's why I said, you know,
Speaker 4: when we went there, a lot of stuff went on,
Speaker 4: but I was I had to ease mind because I understood, like,
Speaker 4: I'm coming here to meet with these guys, I'm coming
Speaker 4: here to get these measurements out. I'm gonna come be professional,
Speaker 4: and then you're gonna see what you want to see.
Speaker 3: This basically the crew. I came in there. I was
Speaker 3: not coming to work out, like I let them know.
Speaker 3: I came in and did all my interviews. I even
Speaker 3: remember inside the interviews they did the bean bag tesses
Speaker 3: where they're throwing stuff over your should just to see
Speaker 3: your periview, like all kind of little mind games, with
Speaker 3: the New York Giants having the biggest written tests out
Speaker 3: of everybody.
Speaker 5: Really, it was fifty two hundred questions.
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 3: Was it the not the Wonderling, but it was the
Speaker 3: every team has a personal test.
Speaker 2: Do you remember some of the questions from it?
Speaker 3: Or I mean it was well, the questions were to
Speaker 3: me all over the place. It was no strategy of
Speaker 3: what they tried.
Speaker 2: Was it kind of like the wonder Lick or was
Speaker 2: it it was.
Speaker 3: Kind of like the Wonder li with their own version,
Speaker 3: but it was New York Giants. I think the New
Speaker 3: York they trying to not only tests your IQ, they
Speaker 3: try to see where you at when it comes to
Speaker 3: city life.
Speaker 5: So they asked a couple of urban questions.
Speaker 2: This is that.
Speaker 3: So it was the longest out of the test and
Speaker 3: the longest out of the endinge.
Speaker 1: So you did that for your they waste I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a waste of time. It like, isn't that
Speaker 1: the time where they like so for interviews, like they
Speaker 1: get you in a room, they have a form onna
Speaker 1: of view and they have informatter view.
Speaker 2: So enter informa interview is like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: You like have a couple of coffees and down it's hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, I'm so and so and they just kind
Speaker 1: of talked through a form ont of you is something
Speaker 1: they have to declare and so it's a block of time.
Speaker 2: I think it's about forty that time.
Speaker 4: They wanted you to come to with certain rooms you
Speaker 4: certain meetings. You went, then you actually got a package.
Speaker 1: You got your package they or not yet they said
Speaker 1: till you finished.
Speaker 2: They sitting in there watching you. It feels like a
Speaker 2: waste of time.
Speaker 4: It's the way of time. I was with a fly
Speaker 4: if you were great me from that boy. It was
Speaker 4: a wrap that boy there.
Speaker 5: So I went in there and I took I took
Speaker 5: a serious.
Speaker 2: But the interviews ready to go.
Speaker 3: The interviews with the camera sites just like our camera
Speaker 3: sine and the coach and the gym and the on
Speaker 3: either side, on either side, And now they're asking you
Speaker 3: about any discrepancies that came up on your record. They're
Speaker 3: gonna ask you about anything that happened on campus.
Speaker 5: Now they're gonna ask you.
Speaker 3: Fred Smooth, what happened September twelfth, teen ninety nine.
Speaker 4: I was at a party. But you know, it's crazy
Speaker 4: that you bring that up, because that's the first thing
Speaker 4: I had in mind that they gonna ask me about
Speaker 4: the whole bar incident. My freshman year when I was
Speaker 4: a walk on, never asked me, And that tells me
Speaker 4: that when you get some expunge, you get some expunge.
Speaker 4: So I was in there so nervous to tell this story,
Speaker 4: and I'm sitting like damn if adding about his barns
Speaker 4: because I was wrong and every bit of it, Like
Speaker 4: I mean, I ran, I ran to So I'm saying
Speaker 4: to myself like, well, damn, I ran to the fight.
Speaker 4: How I'm going to work just to make it seem
Speaker 4: like I didn't. But at the same time, too, they
Speaker 4: would looked at it, and you're a college student. You
Speaker 4: a guy that's trying to help your other guys. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean, but also I never came up.
Speaker 1: I think to that point, like they do a really
Speaker 1: good job, like talking with the commanders, talking to their teams,
Speaker 1: that they have a pretty good like research kind of
Speaker 1: security is investigator investigate.
Speaker 4: You could look at a kid and say that's the
Speaker 4: only thing you got. You got on this guy. He
Speaker 4: did nothing else the whole four years that he was there.
Speaker 4: So we probably don't even need to bring that up now.
Speaker 3: But when they do investigations, were talking about talking to you,
Speaker 3: talking about talking to everybody in your bubble.
Speaker 1: So you know, I work out of high school, right,
Speaker 1: I coached at high school. I was in the head
Speaker 1: coach's office. He got a call about a guy he coached.
Speaker 1: I guess it was six years ago. Now six years
Speaker 1: ago is sophomore and they were asking how he was
Speaker 1: in high school and he's getting drafted this year. And
Speaker 1: I did a report on you know, I just didn't
Speaker 1: report on him. And I was like, oh my gosh, Like,
Speaker 1: how how crazy is that?
Speaker 2: Reaching out like that? They need to.
Speaker 3: Know what type of person was he worked hard? Was
Speaker 3: he was he all over the place? Was he like
Speaker 3: what type of guy he is? And you can only
Speaker 3: find that out from the people that we've been around
Speaker 3: in the past.
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the reasons maybe why
Speaker 1: they don't ask tan about it, because like, you hang
Speaker 1: around Tanner for five minutes and like his coaching staff,
Speaker 1: they're going to vouch for him.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like, hey man, he's a good, good dude.
Speaker 2: He works hard like somebody's uncle. Yeah.
Speaker 4: See the thing about it too, And that's I didn't
Speaker 4: know they was doing that until I bumped into people
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood and.
Speaker 2: They like, yeah, I got a call.
Speaker 4: I gotta know the same thing they find Fridz, they
Speaker 4: find bro Like they called my high school called my
Speaker 4: high school coach already knew that stuff, Like we had
Speaker 4: a bunch of guys that went pro already, so he
Speaker 4: he would tell us that stuff when we was in
Speaker 4: high school. Yeah, you know, I get that call down
Speaker 4: the road and if you ask you, if you, if
Speaker 4: you you or something something, I'm gonna tell them this
Speaker 4: what you The truth was one of those no nonsense
Speaker 4: got But I'm sure when they called by me, he
Speaker 4: probably had nothing but good to say. But here guy
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood say his mama got a call. Yeah,
Speaker 4: how he got your mama number.
Speaker 5: First of all, cross country ain't got nothing to do.
Speaker 3: My cross country coach called me and was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I just got a call from the NFL, and I
Speaker 3: like what they asked you.
Speaker 5: They just asked me about how you was you compete?
Speaker 5: Like what you tell them? I told him in your
Speaker 5: first cross country meet, you cheating.
Speaker 2: They weren't surprised.
Speaker 3: I ran literally down the hill and I finished so
Speaker 3: fast that they were like, come on, dude, you ain't ready.
Speaker 2: I didn't run the course, you just know I cut
Speaker 2: down the hill.
Speaker 3: I showed up at the line and the lady was like,
Speaker 3: telling me, you just read fifteen.
Speaker 2: Me like, hey, I'm trying to win this thing.
Speaker 3: But then they're gonna reach out to your pastor, if
Speaker 3: you went to church, and you being in the church,
Speaker 3: whoever they can get information from. They're going to find
Speaker 3: out what type of person you are, who you are
Speaker 3: because they know we're prepped at these meetings by agents.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of like what goes on before the interview. Man,
Speaker 1: you kind of mentioned some stuff that happened in the interview.
Speaker 1: Anything else stick out to you when you're in the
Speaker 1: interview with those teams at the time, like, I.
Speaker 2: Only got one thing that was funny and I love that.
Speaker 4: This is my head coach had actually got a head
Speaker 4: coaching job with the Browns, my.
Speaker 2: Cottage head Yeah, and me and Reggie was in.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure we was in at the same time
Speaker 4: or we went in after each other. But I knew
Speaker 4: that interview was the shortest they because they asked me
Speaker 4: at the time. And trust me, we love but but
Speaker 4: David meant the world to me. Just forgive me the opportunity.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's so much, it's so much going
Speaker 4: on in your head. You don't know who to mention
Speaker 4: and who the and the GM or I think the owner.
Speaker 4: One of those guys asked me who was the most
Speaker 4: influential coach at my days in UIM and I was like, coach,
Speaker 4: you know, coach c J. And then the interview stopped.
Speaker 4: They was like, okay, get up out it and I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: they cut me short.
Speaker 2: Regu came. I was like, yeah, man, I said CJ
Speaker 2: name and they cut me short.
Speaker 4: So d lowin and he's like no, I said, but
Speaker 4: I said, I said, So that's why your interview was wrong,
Speaker 4: he said, he said, because they want to hear they
Speaker 4: got you know what I mean and don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: like both of them meant the world of us.
Speaker 2: But CJ was more. He was.
Speaker 4: My receiver coach, so I see him every day, the
Speaker 4: one that called me on the road from going home.
Speaker 4: Are you at and I'm I'm on my way to
Speaker 4: cal City? If you don't get your mind here and
Speaker 4: right now, watch some film you ain't playing tomorrow, like
Speaker 4: you mean, watch film. I want to go and see
Speaker 4: some folks. I don't care about your folks. You better
Speaker 4: watch this tape. So when you think back at all
Speaker 4: those memories, man, like that's the guy to me right now.
Speaker 4: Fourteen years in the league. I didn't learn much more
Speaker 4: when I got to the league. I had learned it
Speaker 4: already with season. If you if you fine tuned me
Speaker 4: with something, yeah you fine tuned it.
Speaker 5: But every this man had me so equipped.
Speaker 4: Like when we ran our routes, when we had to
Speaker 4: do actually work out for the scouts. Bro we knew
Speaker 4: in college everything was rounded round. We had round outs,
Speaker 4: we had round ends, we had round curls. He told us, okay,
Speaker 4: we got to change that because they want, they want,
Speaker 4: they want. So he schooled us on how to change
Speaker 4: the routes just to be tested for them. And when
Speaker 4: I got to the league, when we got to that
Speaker 4: dog on program we ran on routes those scouts, was
Speaker 4: like but that we thought 'a was gonna be running
Speaker 4: these these deep roundhouse because it's what we saw on tape.
Speaker 2: Which I'm a good coach.
Speaker 4: So he had as so well together man to where
Speaker 4: I got to get him in his crew.
Speaker 2: I gotta gi him as flowers, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I think that's soy for And again like do
Speaker 1: you have any kind of weird my whole?
Speaker 2: So I don't.
Speaker 1: I know you now well right, and we're friends now,
Speaker 1: But what were you like in college?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: And so I'm sure I'm sure no governor, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was like, oh, this guy's your uncle and.
Speaker 3: Was known in college for being the mouth for the
Speaker 3: sound like talking trade. So all the coaches want to know,
Speaker 3: was I facetious in.
Speaker 2: My trash manure? Was I authentic? I did?
Speaker 5: So I never forget my John grew and I go
Speaker 5: to Justin.
Speaker 3: You know he got this whale talking. God, I heard
Speaker 3: you saying, not like which one did you hear? He
Speaker 3: like talking bounce.
Speaker 2: The world.
Speaker 3: It's covered by water and you cover the wrists. What
Speaker 3: are you gonna do when you got to play against
Speaker 3: the Awquaman? Like first, but I ain't scatting nobody, So
Speaker 3: I'm getting into my home mode.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: And because he's so Lucy Goosey, I'm Lucy Goosey.
Speaker 5: I leave from him. And we just really going back
Speaker 5: and forth talking noise.
Speaker 1: We said, so when you say back and forth, because
Speaker 1: like I heard, I heard an industring interview story from
Speaker 1: about a coach that we know pretty well and a
Speaker 1: receiver that's kind of famous the NFL now, and he
Speaker 1: was like he basically said, oh, I'm Julio Jones and
Speaker 1: the coach is like, no, you're not. And they got
Speaker 1: like kind of heated about it.
Speaker 2: Was it heated? It was a heated discussion. It wasn't heated.
Speaker 2: It was all in fun.
Speaker 5: I'm laughing, he laughed.
Speaker 4: Fred Fred talked as much as crap.
Speaker 2: Fred talked.
Speaker 4: It was always you always got a sense that it
Speaker 4: comes from a good place.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like sometimes like I'm listening to the dude tell people
Speaker 4: stuff about themself and I'm like, bro, like you just
Speaker 4: you can't say that in some places, like we want
Speaker 4: to fight.
Speaker 2: When I'm from we don't want to. We don't want to.
Speaker 2: But when it comes from him, it's funny. You didn't
Speaker 2: feel that it was that aggressive for you to kind
Speaker 2: of offend, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like that dinner the other night, man, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised there's not a fight right now.
Speaker 3: We had fun and I go from none serious Gruden
Speaker 3: to Belichick.
Speaker 2: How was that?
Speaker 3: And Belichick showed me some of his loose side, but
Speaker 3: he was very stoic. He was very into me as
Speaker 3: a player. Also because not only did he interview me
Speaker 3: at the combine when we had to do our trips,
Speaker 3: he flew me.
Speaker 2: He flew me to New England.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I wonder if they do that, and I
Speaker 1: think that there's probably both. They wonder if I wonder
Speaker 1: I they did that because they didn't get a good
Speaker 1: enough feel in the combin and I just want to
Speaker 1: see if it's the same guy again, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: And I think they want to I just think they
Speaker 3: want to dig a little deeper because he ended up
Speaker 3: taking Richard Seymour the defensive defensive defensive.
Speaker 2: And he took Lennon Mines second round of him.
Speaker 3: So he took these guys, but the interviews theirself was
Speaker 3: so different. One was just totally all bus Nick's kind
Speaker 3: of story. So Fred he more excellent about the problems
Speaker 3: because he's like, I see, you don't have problem with
Speaker 3: man man coverage.
Speaker 2: You do vell and zone.
Speaker 5: You're a willing tackler.
Speaker 3: But what if I ask you to play special teams
Speaker 3: for the whole first year? Don't start how you're gonna
Speaker 3: feel about that? You've been a starter since it says
Speaker 3: you've been a starter here since tent Are you ready
Speaker 3: for the question? I was ready because while he's asking
Speaker 3: me on processing, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, like because like you know now
Speaker 1: they've got like these the preps, Like now, like, what
Speaker 1: are the things you do when you go to combine prep?
Speaker 2: Is you have a coach that coach press and I
Speaker 2: had one that coached me.
Speaker 3: I mean they prepped me, but also you can't prep
Speaker 3: me for thirty two different persons.
Speaker 5: So this personality right here is basically expect to gadget.
Speaker 3: He wants to know how you're gonna feel, and I
Speaker 3: was like, well, coach, if you want me to play
Speaker 3: special teams and you think that's better for the team.
Speaker 3: I do it, but I'm gonna still be fighting for
Speaker 3: this starting job. And so he you know, he was
Speaker 3: more trying to see mentally, are you a competitive to
Speaker 3: good question? And Bill Coward was very much a mixture
Speaker 3: of the two where he could sit up there you
Speaker 3: that Bubba Gum get serious without so getting loose enough
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 2: Can relax and talk to him. Did you so both
Speaker 2: this question? Brother? You guys after the interviews you're like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to this team or did you have a
Speaker 2: feel for that?
Speaker 4: I had no clue, b Bro, my enemy my interviews
Speaker 4: was almost like worthless.
Speaker 2: At times. I was like, Bro, what did we just
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 4: So if you have an example of like because honestly, bro,
Speaker 4: if you look at me coming out of college, the
Speaker 4: way I got into college, the number.
Speaker 2: Was brought up. You see what I'm saying, Like, think
Speaker 2: about it. I walked on.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about that, Like, how did you overcome being
Speaker 4: a walk on at University of Miami?
Speaker 2: How did you you know?
Speaker 4: How is it that you came into you know, college
Speaker 4: with no stars and nobody was looking at you?
Speaker 2: But now.
Speaker 4: Everybody and everybody saying if you you five eleven, you'll
Speaker 4: be the first receiver take it. We didn't talk about
Speaker 4: me being short, you know what I mean, you'd have
Speaker 4: thought these questions would have came up. So it was
Speaker 4: like can you can you go out here and play
Speaker 4: on the outside, like actually all.
Speaker 2: Other questions like.
Speaker 1: Like it's because like the questions that Fred's getting are
Speaker 1: the questions I would have expected, like a version of that.
Speaker 4: I honestly thought that, And this is my take, Like
Speaker 4: it might be something different, It might be people might
Speaker 4: view it differently. I honestly thought that playing the way
Speaker 4: I played at the University of Miami, they ain't hand
Speaker 4: no the acts.
Speaker 2: They looked at it and say, look this is what
Speaker 2: we know what we got, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: The question was the situation.
Speaker 3: I was one hundred and seventy five pounds, so they
Speaker 3: want to know you think you're gonna be able to
Speaker 3: still run as fast as you do at So I'm
Speaker 3: getting asked these questions out for body, but me and
Speaker 3: Reggie asked.
Speaker 4: But we got more questions about each other than we
Speaker 4: did about anything. How wasn't playing with Reggie? And I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure Reggie asked.
Speaker 2: The question right, they want to cross.
Speaker 4: They wanted to cross and see it. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 4: he was the guy when I got there, I just
Speaker 4: followed it. I got in his hip pocket and made
Speaker 4: sure that I wouldn't you know, I wasn't gonna get
Speaker 4: looked over. And before you know it, I was next
Speaker 4: to him.
Speaker 2: You know, we was. He was If you want to
Speaker 2: say he was one, he was one.
Speaker 4: I was the next guy. And then before you know it,
Speaker 4: I made a name for myself. And that's the kind
Speaker 4: of questions we were talking more about that, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, And they were like, oh, for real,
Speaker 4: So you looked at him as the number one guy.
Speaker 4: He was number one, he was freshman, he was all
Speaker 4: big East freshman, you know, our freshman year. Like I
Speaker 4: was just trying to get my name mentioned. Before you
Speaker 4: know it, I made a whole name for myself.
Speaker 2: I wonder if the Miami thing, because Miami at the
Speaker 2: time was like we was dominant.
Speaker 4: And I think too because CJ told us this, and
Speaker 4: this is the thing I loved about having CJ as
Speaker 4: at wide receiver coach my junior year. He told us, look,
Speaker 4: I don't care what you do. You know, he from
Speaker 4: New Orleans. He said, say, say, Bron, I don't.
Speaker 2: Care what you did all year. Bro. We be playing
Speaker 2: Florida State this week.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling y'all right now, if you go out
Speaker 4: here and you play well again Florida State, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: shake your hand at the end of the game and
Speaker 4: tell you it was nice coaching because you're going to
Speaker 4: the NFL.
Speaker 2: You're going to the NFL, say, I'm telling you. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, brother.
Speaker 4: I went out there one eighty in Dog Cammebell my
Speaker 4: junior year, one eighty two Tugs. That boy came and
Speaker 4: told me, hey man, it's nice coaching.
Speaker 2: Say CJ, how you going nowhere? And this is early
Speaker 2: in the season.
Speaker 4: We played for stay week five, week six, Like CJ,
Speaker 4: I ain't going nowhere, and he telling me, your fool,
Speaker 4: bro here a fool if you don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I ended up playing that whole year, balled out,
Speaker 4: end up playing and came back my senior year.
Speaker 2: But that's the kind of thing we had, so I
Speaker 2: kind of level.
Speaker 4: I kind of took it at the level that I
Speaker 4: had came from, and the team it was almost like
Speaker 4: I don't need to ask questions.
Speaker 2: I can turn so sure like you your head coach,
Speaker 2: like all of those connections are probably playing it.
Speaker 4: And I was gonna because I'm like, cause I'm listening
Speaker 4: to him, I'm like, bro, my interviews was it like this.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, also I feel like to come
Speaker 3: by after all this stuff we didn't put on film.
Speaker 2: This is how you weed it out and find out
Speaker 2: reasons not to draft.
Speaker 1: So I'm so glad you brought that up because really,
Speaker 1: you know, when you ever heard those stories like oh
Speaker 1: the Patriots going with a with a big board of
Speaker 1: thirty people, it's because they they are using this as
Speaker 1: an exclusionary process.
Speaker 2: It's like to you, we're eliminating people that don't.
Speaker 4: We were a part of a class where we saw
Speaker 4: a dude very telling it that lost his status because
Speaker 4: we remember, I don't know, it's the simple wash.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't simple.
Speaker 5: It was the draft and flopped the drug and I
Speaker 5: don't think you floated it.
Speaker 4: Theyll weed on the floor, on the floor and the like,
Speaker 4: and they ended up making them go home, sitting them go.
Speaker 4: So I'm not I want to call him by name.
Speaker 4: So Jason made sure we owned this send them by name.
Speaker 4: But it was somebody that was highly sought out. I
Speaker 4: remember they sent him home, yep, because you got to
Speaker 4: come back.
Speaker 1: But so I think, like, you know, obviously like talking
Speaker 1: about the legality of weed and whether it should have
Speaker 1: been legal, then like that's that's I think what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like you're it's just a job interview, right, And
Speaker 1: so that's the can't you focus for three days you're there?
Speaker 2: You can't even come here and not smoke, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 4: Somebody had had the hall we lit and you know,
Speaker 4: we in that hotel and they like, they're like who
Speaker 4: in here?
Speaker 2: Who got the nerve? And they were like, yeah, that
Speaker 2: boy got sent home by yeah, I said, but they
Speaker 2: still waking. I'm talking about it on fire.
Speaker 5: And I'm sitting there in myself like you need all
Speaker 5: this dreaming and all it worked.
Speaker 4: But to me, I was like, you got to be
Speaker 4: a you gotta be a care that d really don't care.
Speaker 2: But the crazy part.
Speaker 4: About it, he still got a chance, a chance that
Speaker 4: came in the league. He didn't go as high, yeah,
Speaker 4: and he got it. He still got in because they
Speaker 4: knew he was very.
Speaker 2: Very talented. But I think that's what this ultimately is.
Speaker 1: It's like they want to get a feel for the person, right,
Speaker 1: They want to get a feel for like who you are,
Speaker 1: how you gonna be at the next level, how you
Speaker 1: gonna be when you get a little bit of money.
Speaker 1: And like the other thing is I've heard this too.
Speaker 1: It's like the we're gonna talk about the on field
Speaker 1: stuff here. This is a good leading is they care
Speaker 1: about the on field work. But it's really just like
Speaker 1: you knew this was coming, did you prep for it?
Speaker 1: Did you do the work? Because now there's all these facilities,
Speaker 1: there's all these coaches. They'll get you, right, and if
Speaker 1: you come out here and follow in your face, it's like,
Speaker 1: what you didn't know this was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: You weren't aware of this whole simple something like coming
Speaker 3: in overweight, right, this guy don't even care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're right.
Speaker 3: It's truly mental make up here. But it's also the show,
Speaker 3: the show of physicality, the show of hi goes forded
Speaker 3: two inch vertical, he go this four three forty, he
Speaker 3: go two twenty five forty three times, like Leonard Davis, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all remember big leonyarn I remember
Speaker 3: you know you're not your class classmate, Big Lennard started
Speaker 3: pumping that weight. I ain't see him stopped for two
Speaker 3: days listen to I was.
Speaker 2: Like, I have never seen thathing. He was like six six,
Speaker 2: like three seventy or something.
Speaker 3: And then I'm gonna tell you who had a hell
Speaker 3: of a day. Ghip Derreck Gips. Yeah, Derrick Gibson, safety
Speaker 3: from Florida.
Speaker 2: So big.
Speaker 4: I mean he was, he was big, he was fast
Speaker 4: at job senior ball with him. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 4: I went back to he got that in high school.
Speaker 4: I played with the best safety in college football. I
Speaker 4: was like, it ain't nothing he can do.
Speaker 3: One on one were receivers. He out there checking him
Speaker 3: just like a corner. And then he's six three two
Speaker 3: twenty five and.
Speaker 4: He ran like I'm talking about he ran. He ran
Speaker 4: the second leg on the four bout one yester.
Speaker 3: So he ran a four three, jumped forty inches at
Speaker 3: the comeby like he left no sterns on t but
Speaker 3: went to Oakland, I mean Oakland at the time, and
Speaker 3: live really took off. Yeah, so they go they go
Speaker 3: to think about it. The comeback is get you high.
Speaker 3: You go the worst company you're going to now, I'm
Speaker 3: sorry just what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's talk about that real quick.
Speaker 1: So again, I think we gave a lot of time
Speaker 1: to the interview stuff because I think that's the interviews
Speaker 1: of the medical are the most important reason for the combat,
Speaker 1: Like that's why you go. So let's talk about the
Speaker 1: on field stuff, right. And my first question is if
Speaker 1: you're a top ten pick, would you do the field stuff?
Speaker 4: If I'm a top twenty A, if I'm in the
Speaker 4: first round, And I totally agree.
Speaker 1: I totally agree, And people say, why is that? Don't
Speaker 1: you want to compete it? In this day and age,
Speaker 1: teams have so much data. They have your GPS speed,
Speaker 1: they have your deceleration speed, they have your acceleration speed,
Speaker 1: they have your body weights.
Speaker 2: It's all as long as you've interviewed, heartbeat, they've got
Speaker 2: it all in there.
Speaker 4: My thing was too when it came to that, and
Speaker 4: like I said, thank God for the privilege of being
Speaker 4: from where I was from and us having the kind
Speaker 4: of season that we had those years.
Speaker 2: We remember we kind of came back into dominance.
Speaker 4: When I was there, and then we started off rocky
Speaker 4: and by the time we left out of that, we
Speaker 4: should have been national championship win champions that year.
Speaker 2: But I bring that up because it was almost expected. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't have a side.
Speaker 4: I kept talking trying, I ain't pay attention to that boy.
Speaker 4: It was almost expected that the you guys wasn't gonna
Speaker 4: work out. So to have that already given, I was
Speaker 4: making sure I was gonna take full advantage. And the
Speaker 4: reason why I say that because it's almost like what
Speaker 4: I went through in college and in my pros. I
Speaker 4: went through a quarterback every year in college, people don't
Speaker 4: know a new quarterback and then not get.
Speaker 2: Your pros And it's the same story.
Speaker 4: So if I'm finna have the biggest tests of my
Speaker 4: career or life to try to get these people to
Speaker 4: say what I did this past few years four years
Speaker 4: in college, it's shown up on this field.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go out there with some Joe
Speaker 2: Blow I don't know, or some coach that's.
Speaker 4: Trying to tell me you're catching the ball off, or
Speaker 4: even just these coaches who telling you to do these drills.
Speaker 4: I'm watching some of the drills a that time, I'm like,
Speaker 4: come on, coach, be.
Speaker 2: Like on that guy.
Speaker 3: That's why I like Steve Smith there, because Steve is
Speaker 3: so just you know, he kind of one tracked mind.
Speaker 3: He sees a quarterback, you know, quarterback trying to show
Speaker 3: their strength, throwing to a wide receive as hard as
Speaker 3: he can.
Speaker 2: And Steve like, man, slow that ball down.
Speaker 3: This is a ten year old hook round throw that
Speaker 3: with some touch. So this dude can catch the ball.
Speaker 3: And that's the problem. If I'm sure do her all right?
Speaker 3: And I know I'm already in the top half for
Speaker 3: the draft, and you tell you asked me to come
Speaker 3: in front of everybody on NFL network and throw to
Speaker 3: guys that I've never played with and on the field
Speaker 3: that I've never been on.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2: Uncertainty, Come to Colorado now and watch me play.
Speaker 4: I would say this if Horn or the other kid
Speaker 4: at fourteen, any one of them guys out there should
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: Gonna go there.
Speaker 4: But I know for a fact color Rado now has
Speaker 4: the same presence of how we did MIAI and they go.
Speaker 3: He's outso do away. In Travis Hana's way of saying,
Speaker 3: come look at the wrist. Yeah, So it's not even that's.
Speaker 2: The biggest I mean, he's already done that.
Speaker 1: So he went to the Shrine Bowl, which most times
Speaker 1: the top guys like when you look at the talent
Speaker 1: rosters between the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Bowl. People
Speaker 1: go to the Senior Bowl. He went to the Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 1: Didn't work out. Yeah, interviewed with all that, interviewed with
Speaker 1: all the teams there, and you know I did that
Speaker 1: because he wanted. He had the three receivers at the
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl. He's like, come watch my guys. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think it's an incentive, Like he's supporting his guys
Speaker 1: through the process, which I appreciate. He's going to going
Speaker 1: to the events and he'll go to the combine interview
Speaker 1: because it's that's the important part.
Speaker 2: He'll show. Yes, I would not be So let me
Speaker 2: just say this though.
Speaker 1: So that's if you're like a first round pick, top twenty, pig,
Speaker 1: top thirty, whatever, Like I don't think you really need
Speaker 1: a whole bunch, right, I mean, let's just say it
Speaker 1: this way. If you're top three at a position, I
Speaker 1: don't think you need to do anything. However, if you
Speaker 1: think you can help yourself, you go to do it.
Speaker 2: You should do it. Yeah, and let's talk about it's
Speaker 2: any questions in question, So like for.
Speaker 1: Example, like Abdul Carter, like the number one d he's
Speaker 1: the number one edge on my board, maybe number.
Speaker 2: One player in the drafts. He should not be going.
Speaker 1: But if this dude comes out and runs like a
Speaker 1: four to two, has like a four one four seven split,
Speaker 1: jumps forty two inches, like, dude's gonna be the first
Speaker 1: break overall.
Speaker 2: Like most definitely it's happening. Yeah. So if you know
Speaker 2: you're gonna if you know you're gonna ace the test, yeah,
Speaker 2: take the test.
Speaker 1: If there's any doubt like so, for example, like Marvearet
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior last year, I think there was some doubt
Speaker 1: about how well it was gonna run.
Speaker 2: Yes, so his high his top hands meet or who's.
Speaker 1: The tight end for Philadelphia? God, his name Escapes span
Speaker 1: got Dallas Goddard. He didn't run a forty the entire
Speaker 1: pre draft process. If it's gonna be even if it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be an a plus, yeah, don't show up.
Speaker 2: Throw it.
Speaker 4: It was somebody else when he Oh, but he was
Speaker 4: fan boy Jackson.
Speaker 2: Lamont he because he had to see.
Speaker 4: He had I was seeing even to sit here and
Speaker 4: tell me, oh, yeah, you four too.
Speaker 2: He needs to be a receiver.
Speaker 3: I would listen to up to Eli said the other day,
Speaker 3: Eli man and said, you know what, I have never
Speaker 3: ran a forty ever one day in my life.
Speaker 5: I had one one in high school, junior high school.
Speaker 5: You don't need He was like, I was just never
Speaker 5: gonna do it, Like, why would I do it when
Speaker 5: I know I'm not fast?
Speaker 2: Like I can throw the I'm what I came. Don't
Speaker 2: give a team a reason not to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: he runs a five three.
Speaker 4: But this is my question with that though, at one
Speaker 4: point you couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: So I'm hell, Eli, get juice.
Speaker 4: We know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I asked that question. My bad,
Speaker 2: I take that back.
Speaker 4: But for any other guy, they don't have that privilege,
Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying. So so at one point, Bro,
Speaker 4: the forty was for everybody. They don't care what you think,
Speaker 4: you is, what you you gonna run? They want to
Speaker 4: see it. They want to see it for the simple
Speaker 4: fact that you're under the pressure like everybody else on
Speaker 4: this microscope and all eyes on you, the clock and
Speaker 4: it's silence, and everybody got they're gonna blow that with
Speaker 4: you or whatever's gonna happen, and they gonna get that time.
Speaker 4: So when I see that now, like these kids are
Speaker 4: coming in and saying, hey, I'm gonna scrap this. I'ma
Speaker 4: scrap that. I'm scrapped that. Thank God that you can
Speaker 4: do it, because at one point.
Speaker 2: You couldn't know you could.
Speaker 3: It was no fair dodging and I they you had
Speaker 3: to get it done unless you had and I think loophole.
Speaker 4: I think too for what we experienced as players just
Speaker 4: back in the times.
Speaker 2: You almost look forward to doing it.
Speaker 4: I mean, even though you probably lived that weight, what
Speaker 4: one time you want, but you did it with with
Speaker 4: knowing that I'm gonna do it one time and tell
Speaker 4: you against what the coaches told me son most DB's
Speaker 4: and what they wanted to even right, I didn't do
Speaker 4: one twenty I didn't do I didn't do it, he.
Speaker 3: Said, because you got under that knowing damn well you
Speaker 3: were gonna get one and a half reps.
Speaker 2: They were like, that showed us you ain't really afraid
Speaker 2: of anything. We knew, we was looking. We was.
Speaker 4: I could have threugh that T twenty five, but I'm like,
Speaker 4: do I want.
Speaker 2: To be doing this?
Speaker 1: And they gotta run They did a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago as they were benching before they were running, and
Speaker 1: then everyone was running slow, and so everyone just said,
Speaker 1: I'm not benching, and then they said, well, we want
Speaker 1: people to bench. So now they do the forty first
Speaker 1: because they want people to run. Because this is maybe
Speaker 1: leads nice to the next question. The most important drill
Speaker 1: at the combine is what in your.
Speaker 3: Opinion, I think it's specialized to your position. Wait, dB,
Speaker 3: I think it's the w dria with the ball. I
Speaker 3: also think it's running routes on air backplaying through route
Speaker 3: because now I can see how smooth you out of
Speaker 3: your hips, how fluent you are, how fast you could turn.
Speaker 1: It's interesting you say that, though, because everybody, like who
Speaker 1: doesn't go to the combine or watch the combine, it's
Speaker 1: going to say, oh, it's the forty.
Speaker 2: But to me, it's the on field stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's important because you go, you know, Fretzboo goos logan,
Speaker 1: Paulson goes Santanta Mosco. We all go right in order,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, oh, he's a little bit tighter,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a hard time with that. He's look
Speaker 1: at how he adjusted the ball. And again, the forty
Speaker 1: is the one that gets all the pub and I
Speaker 1: get why.
Speaker 5: Because it has this.
Speaker 2: Olympic. This fastest man in the world. It has this
Speaker 2: measuring to it.
Speaker 4: Now, I will say this as a receiver, Uh, it
Speaker 4: might not be the most important, but I've seen receivers
Speaker 4: loose drop and gain status from running either a good
Speaker 4: or a bad forty.
Speaker 2: But I would say this is also too to me.
Speaker 2: And I hate this.
Speaker 4: I hated this drill and I'm glad we had to
Speaker 4: do it our pro day. They gottlin man bro.
Speaker 5: I can't stand it when you got to catch them
Speaker 5: up looking both side.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be looking this way at the ball over
Speaker 2: the up. I'm looking here. I'm not looking here. I'm
Speaker 2: not looking here like I hate it, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: why we do it? So you know you know why
Speaker 2: we do it, and I know you hate it because
Speaker 2: we've talked about this before.
Speaker 1: Is if you're evaluating receivers, it's the easiest way of
Speaker 1: the stuff they do with the combat hand to test
Speaker 1: hands and how they track the ball.
Speaker 2: It's like when they're running through the gauntlet.
Speaker 1: If they are jumping or slowing down like you want
Speaker 1: to see a dog run a gatlet, then they will
Speaker 1: sprint through that.
Speaker 2: Son of a gun. There's no they don't wait for stop.
Speaker 1: Why Yeah, because they tracked the ball maybewhere. Well yeah, right,
Speaker 1: they tracked the ball really well. Now this goes back
Speaker 1: to you need to make sure you've got five dudes.
Speaker 2: Thrown the ball. They make you look like an idiot.
Speaker 4: But like bingo, because I've seen quarterbacks and no matter
Speaker 4: how fast that receiver was running that gun and he
Speaker 4: had to hesitate and wait on the ball and that
Speaker 4: slow that messed up the whole drill.
Speaker 2: So it's not gonna always be your fault. They could
Speaker 2: be the guy.
Speaker 4: Now my drill, my gunland is trash because I got
Speaker 4: a quarterback up he shouldn't be up here throwing me.
Speaker 3: To the doomsday is a xample for that. Rome went
Speaker 3: through the guntlet last year. It didn't look good.
Speaker 2: No, it was he looks fine. And then he said
Speaker 2: he actually only lifted him again. I was just saying
Speaker 2: because he ran a good one. No, he ran a
Speaker 2: great one. His second one.
Speaker 5: He literally asked him can I go again?
Speaker 2: And they were like yeah, and they let him go again.
Speaker 3: So do you gain information from like I just think
Speaker 3: from a dB perspective to see us fluently move our
Speaker 3: hips shadow routes and stuff like that. Catch the ball,
Speaker 3: you get more than watching us running the straight line,
Speaker 3: because unless it's a go route, that's the only time
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be running.
Speaker 2: In the scrap yard.
Speaker 4: I think the drills period, I think you get more
Speaker 4: from a receiver just seeing him run routes, you know.
Speaker 4: To me, I think that's the most important thing for
Speaker 4: a receiver. Like, look, I've seen Justin Jefferson running four
Speaker 4: to four at the forty in the forty and I'm
Speaker 4: saying to myself, I haven't seen him run that four
Speaker 4: four yet in the NFL. Like no, get he's so
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he's so fluent and everything he does.
Speaker 4: So to me, I want to see your route. I
Speaker 4: want to see your routes. I want to see how
Speaker 4: your hips move. I want to see you in and
Speaker 4: out of your breaks, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 4: want to see how how how precise you are when
Speaker 4: you're coming down, when you when you say that comeback
Speaker 4: needs to be and coming out of it, how do
Speaker 4: you round it? Do you take an extra step? Like
Speaker 4: That's what I'm looking at as a receiver.
Speaker 2: This is receiver. This is so interesting. You said that
Speaker 2: because like they you know, I do a lot of
Speaker 2: like trading on the side. Right.
Speaker 1: So people that run with their feet slightly apart, so
Speaker 1: I'm talking it's like three inches. They run like kind
Speaker 1: of just outside their hips are better rout runners. They're
Speaker 1: better deceleration, they're better acceleration because they have a better base, right.
Speaker 1: But track athletes who are faster straight run with their
Speaker 1: feet closer together. So basically with the forty, you're testing
Speaker 1: the track thing. And then when you run routes you
Speaker 1: get to see like the specificity of the position. And
Speaker 1: so that's where it's like, yes, it's good. So let's
Speaker 1: just talk about the forty and why it's important just
Speaker 1: for one second. So forty with the jump and the
Speaker 1: broad jumps, like the vertical jump of the broad jump,
Speaker 1: it just says you're explosive, fre athletic. I need to
Speaker 1: see that athleticism apply to the drills. So that's really
Speaker 1: all it is. It's just saying, are you fast and athletic? Yes,
Speaker 1: and now let's go look at you run.
Speaker 3: It is a dB I can watch and receive what
Speaker 3: do one practice of route running?
Speaker 2: And you have Domini is from the.
Speaker 3: First time I seen chay It run routes at the
Speaker 3: senior bow I bet I said, he's the Bisch property,
Speaker 3: the Bisch route run. It wasn't the ability to go vertical,
Speaker 3: it's his ability to stop, his ability to stop with
Speaker 3: no wasted motion and to get in and out of
Speaker 3: those breaks out like.
Speaker 5: This dude is a tap dancer like this dude feet So.
Speaker 1: For all your kids, are all your coaches at home,
Speaker 1: like it's the speed is important, but the stopping and
Speaker 1: the start of everything way more important.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It was great at that was this guy right here,
Speaker 4: right right there. I was going to bring up his story.
Speaker 4: It's crazy y'all say that. So we got a guy
Speaker 4: I don't know why I'm I'm drawing a blank right now.
Speaker 2: On his name.
Speaker 4: But oh, Melvin Bradon, Melvin brad he's a scout now
Speaker 4: he's he's actually an agent now. But he went through
Speaker 4: the years of scouting. He was a badass back in
Speaker 4: those days in the university. Mind he wont number five
Speaker 4: for the running back or he's from he's from the
Speaker 4: Miami area. He at the time when I came in
Speaker 4: as a freshman. You know how you have those practices
Speaker 4: where all the coaches come out, all the high school
Speaker 4: coaches and just check things out. Melvina, come out there.
Speaker 4: He's watching us. No one knows nothing about forty eight.
Speaker 4: Melvin Brad tell me the story right now. I was
Speaker 4: the reasoning that, you know what, it's crazy because I like,
Speaker 4: if you can look good in there, you know you
Speaker 4: got something. So Melvin say tenor he swear to guy,
Speaker 4: he just told me this story. When we went up
Speaker 4: for the for the for the draft in Detroit, I
Speaker 4: saw him, Kane, what's up baby? We talked, he said, Tanner,
Speaker 4: I tell his story. He said, I take pride in
Speaker 4: telling people this story about you.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 4: The first day I ever watched you practice, he say, boy,
Speaker 4: you ran a comeback or something, and you gave a
Speaker 4: guy that that fake like you going inside and turn
Speaker 4: it back out.
Speaker 2: And then he.
Speaker 4: Said, I told her that's the first round draft pick.
Speaker 4: I was a true freshman walk on, so he was
Speaker 4: a scout.
Speaker 2: You're a scout. Say, they say, who is that? He said,
Speaker 2: I don't know who it is. That's the first round
Speaker 2: draft pick. He said.
Speaker 4: I told the receiver coach c J at the time.
Speaker 4: He say that's the first round draft pick. He was like, nah, boy,
Speaker 4: that's that's in tening, but he gonna but you gotta look.
Speaker 4: He said, yeah, I'm gonna watch them. But I just
Speaker 4: saw what just did.
Speaker 2: If he do that all the time when he run routes,
Speaker 2: he a first.
Speaker 4: Round draft, he say, tenor lady, you became them a
Speaker 4: sixth the next year, and I say, boy, the rest
Speaker 4: of was He said, y'all go ahead and get ready
Speaker 4: for him.
Speaker 2: But it's crazy for you to bring it up because.
Speaker 3: The times have we watched receivers go blow the forty
Speaker 3: out in the coming and then they take it in
Speaker 3: the first round like and.
Speaker 4: Can't play for That's the big I hate about the
Speaker 4: draft because there's so many and the Raiders was known
Speaker 4: for this running good for You were right?
Speaker 2: You were right? Yeah on man, like you finna tell me.
Speaker 4: I just out there, put four years of work on film,
Speaker 4: and he's gonna draft this kid in front of somebody.
Speaker 5: You learned from Jared Right, not learned from j Right.
Speaker 4: I do not need to have I don't need to
Speaker 4: touch the peak of all athletic prowessies like Reggie. You know,
Speaker 4: Reggie ran four or five, probably four to six, and
Speaker 4: I remember C J joking with him about it. He's
Speaker 4: like boy, you're slow, but you but you know because
Speaker 4: he because like Reggie knew that his forty was probably
Speaker 4: going to be the be the worst thing.
Speaker 2: He isn't. Nothing else Reggie did was not gonna be top.
Speaker 2: He was. He was. He was doing what he did in.
Speaker 4: The pro pros as a freshman when he walked in
Speaker 4: that boy court to b being a dog. I watched
Speaker 4: that boy catch balls, like he made my hands better
Speaker 4: to look at. I can't drop it, but I think
Speaker 4: I think it's a scout.
Speaker 1: Like when you watch the film and you watch Reggie, well,
Speaker 1: you understand that he's not the fastest guy, but he's
Speaker 1: technically sound. He catches football, and so in the drills,
Speaker 1: like if he's dropping the doll, yeah, but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if he's dropping the ball all the time, then you're
Speaker 1: like maybe you go back and watch you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's literally you're just checking a box. You're saying, I
Speaker 1: think he's fast. Oh he's fast. On the forty, he's
Speaker 1: fast enough. I think he's a little stiff field work,
Speaker 1: little stiff, But that's okay because he it was productive,
Speaker 1: Like it's all just kind of supporting stuff you've seen before,
Speaker 1: and so last question here most underrated drill. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: answer this first. To me, it's the measurements at the combine.
Speaker 1: I'm a big measurement guy because there are minimum thresholds
Speaker 1: for positions. So when I see good arm length, when
Speaker 1: I see good body weight, when I see good height,
Speaker 1: especially for offensive lineman and defensive lineman, I'm like and
Speaker 1: people like, oh, why what do you think this guy's
Speaker 1: a guard? I mean, I've never seen an offensive tackle
Speaker 1: be successful with thirty two inch arms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not thing.
Speaker 5: Not not with them kangaroo homes.
Speaker 2: It's not a thing.
Speaker 1: Right, So, like they're in like corners that have longer arms,
Speaker 1: like Fred Fred, I always do this all the time
Speaker 1: with the arm rings. I'm one of my f inchs
Speaker 1: harder than arms with the same length, same his ability.
Speaker 3: Because when I did my measurements, they was very impressed
Speaker 3: with my hand side and they was like, my.
Speaker 2: Gods, did you play basketball? And I like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: play basketball. They like this with them.
Speaker 3: Loans come from and then allows, and they understood that
Speaker 3: if I got long home, if I'm getting beat, I
Speaker 3: could just stop and jump.
Speaker 1: In your ability to contact the receiver at the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage like you see it on film. Like you'll
Speaker 1: watch a guy, especially with dbs, who got long arms,
Speaker 1: the ability to reach out and touch somebody jam.
Speaker 5: You would still be a yard and a half away
Speaker 5: from you.
Speaker 1: And then if they miss, they can recover because they've
Speaker 1: got that extra special. So that's why that's important to me.
Speaker 1: And again it fills in the data. You can see
Speaker 1: a guy with like a DB's a good example of
Speaker 1: shorter arms. It's got great feet and he can compensate
Speaker 1: for it or tackle with shorter arms. It's got great feet.
Speaker 1: It's not the end all be all, but it's a
Speaker 1: good way to be Like, let me make sure this.
Speaker 5: Isn't going to let me zero in on this aspect
Speaker 5: of it and see.
Speaker 2: How it goes. Yes, correct.
Speaker 1: It's like like Will Campbell for the for the LSU Tigers.
Speaker 1: He's going to be a top ten pick. Like I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have short arms, is he? But his
Speaker 1: balance is the best balance I've ever seen. His feet
Speaker 1: are great, great, maybe you could do it because his
Speaker 1: feet are so good, but I'm aware of it now
Speaker 1: because of the arm light.
Speaker 3: And we talked earlier about Travis Hunter Us He's just
Speaker 3: such a great athlete, but technically he's not sound now
Speaker 3: when I turn on that wil Johnson for him and
Speaker 3: watch real Johnson from Michigan, technically he's the best cornerback
Speaker 3: in dude.
Speaker 2: I had the same thought.
Speaker 1: So I just I'm doing receivers for tickets of the
Speaker 1: draft with Jason and we were talking about McMillan from Arizona,
Speaker 1: and I think he's a better receiver right right now.
Speaker 1: But Travis Hunter is a special athlete, like and so
Speaker 1: it's like you're pretty and the other thing.
Speaker 2: He's playing both ways. You can tell there's times where
Speaker 2: he's tired. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Javon Curse, Dion Sanders named some more athletes who just.
Speaker 2: Bailey, like Charles Woodson.
Speaker 5: Bluefoot was very regarded when it came out.
Speaker 2: Should I tell you, I'm just.
Speaker 4: Saying as far as seans like freakish when you're watching Travils, honey,
Speaker 4: you can't put him in.
Speaker 2: The bubble with everybody.
Speaker 4: You gotta say the bubble him, Yeah, because because he
Speaker 4: does things that you'd.
Speaker 2: Be like, how you you just did that? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? That's crazy. Do you think he run
Speaker 2: a forty him? I probably would. I don't think fast.
Speaker 5: He's he got nothing to hide in it, you know.
Speaker 2: But I guess like for me, if you run like
Speaker 2: a four to far, it's like.
Speaker 5: You're like, damned if I do, Damn if I like,
Speaker 5: I just don't see him benefiting.
Speaker 1: From you talking about film all the time time, Like
Speaker 1: when you watch the film, you're like, damn. Like this
Speaker 1: dude's a special mover.
Speaker 2: No, he's fluent in every way possible.
Speaker 3: He's he takes that wide receiver of mind to conerback,
Speaker 3: and he takes that that conerback mind.
Speaker 2: To wide receiver, and he displaces both of them.
Speaker 3: Like he will find out a way to be the corner,
Speaker 3: just like he'll find out a way to stop a
Speaker 3: wide receiver.
Speaker 6: Now, in my.
Speaker 3: Comparisons we talked about it, I felt like it's a
Speaker 3: wide receiver. He's smitty Devnte Smith another guy that won
Speaker 3: the Heisman with the same body type in the same
Speaker 3: twitch as a corner baby Champ Bailey. All right, So
Speaker 3: I would rather have Champ did DeVante Smith? So then
Speaker 3: why I said I would rather put him a corner
Speaker 3: and swrinkle in some wide receiver because I believe that
Speaker 3: his defensive societies is higher inside.
Speaker 2: Some more valuable. I think too. I think these are
Speaker 2: your finalide receivers.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I get this question all the time, and
Speaker 1: I know we're getting tired because Hana gave us first
Speaker 1: y on.
Speaker 2: So we're going to do this. How does spot a
Speaker 2: commander at the combine? Look at it? Look for clipboards
Speaker 2: that find the fine to call.
Speaker 3: You know, it's from what I studied from Adam Peters
Speaker 3: last year. Yeah, you have to check the box. They're
Speaker 3: going to investigate are you a leader? Yeah, they're going
Speaker 3: to see do you love football? Uh, they're going to
Speaker 3: see you selfless?
Speaker 2: And so those are right. I dropped the Mico now
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: So I'll say this though, you're not going to see
Speaker 1: that in a forty You're not going to see that
Speaker 1: anywhere on the field.
Speaker 2: It's going to be in the interview.
Speaker 1: Yes, and also I guess if their team captain. So
Speaker 1: what I would say is like, that's why this problem,
Speaker 1: Like we talked, we started with the interviews first because
Speaker 1: that's the most more thing. But all that information is
Speaker 1: going to be in the interviews. And so as much
Speaker 1: as we want to be like, oh this guy's a freak,
Speaker 1: he's yeah, I don't know how he is as a person.
Speaker 1: And you can watch in the drills and if the
Speaker 1: guy's breaking it down and clapping it up, but their.
Speaker 2: Coach do that too, so they know they're on camera. Right.
Speaker 2: So what I say is like, you will find a
Speaker 2: commander or the commanders will find it in.
Speaker 4: The command Yeah, in the interview and the guys what
Speaker 4: they bring here a couple of times, Yes.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. We're good.
Speaker 3: Like the way they convinced I'm gonna take you out
Speaker 3: of the top golf so I can sit back and
Speaker 3: just watch, like I want to see you in the
Speaker 3: environment that has nothing to do with football, like, and
Speaker 3: so they're more at the people than athletes, And.
Speaker 4: That's the best way to go about it, man, because
Speaker 4: if you got the right people in here, man, you can.
Speaker 5: Your locker room becomes what we saw this year.
Speaker 1: And again they're gonna find good athletes that are good people.
Speaker 1: But that that personal element, the top golf thing, the
Speaker 1: interview thing, that's where it's all going.
Speaker 3: But I also don't think they're gonna let the numbers
Speaker 3: dictate how they pick.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna let your forty dictated.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna let how many time you do the
Speaker 3: bench press, Like if you was on their board right
Speaker 3: there when you got there at four to four, ain't
Speaker 3: gonna help you climb their board. But that interview, we
Speaker 3: will help them.
Speaker 2: Help you climb it.
Speaker 4: And I think so too a lot of the time.
Speaker 4: Soon when they look at who they were today, I
Speaker 4: guess the team that they're leaving, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like that they're gonna look back at that player and
Speaker 4: like what kind of brother was he to the other guy?
Speaker 2: Friend? Did he leave? What kind of you know who?
Speaker 2: Because I mean, like.
Speaker 4: It must if we want to talk crap about Fred.
Speaker 4: Fred had the locker room always thriving, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? This man like I just sit back on
Speaker 4: my back turn somebody was directly behind me, right across
Speaker 4: the dog on the locker room, and they'll be calling
Speaker 4: me to look to see.
Speaker 2: What he got going on.
Speaker 4: Hell, you want to get me to laugh, And I'm like, bro,
Speaker 4: I gotta get outside because I even to sit here
Speaker 4: in his locker room and listen to this jokes, to
Speaker 4: all this break on people. But you you want guys
Speaker 4: that bring guys together, And you didn't never see Fred
Speaker 4: with just the dbs.
Speaker 2: He can go over there and chop it up with
Speaker 2: the lineman. The d lineman in there with our damn
Speaker 2: trainers half of the time, and they got them crying.
Speaker 2: So that's what you want.
Speaker 4: You want a guy that you know that man when
Speaker 4: he comes in, not only is he going to play
Speaker 4: football and he's going to be a leader, even if
Speaker 4: he's not asked to be a leader. He's a guy
Speaker 4: that communicated and get along with everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, so I think that's it. That's how you
Speaker 1: find a commander. Right now for a last segment, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: Hell no, anyone specific. We're going to kind of just
Speaker 1: throw this in a catch all that you guys want
Speaker 1: to see, so they're all gonna be hell yeahs this week.
Speaker 1: But is there anyone specific or that you want to
Speaker 1: see her you're excited to see at the combine?
Speaker 2: And why?
Speaker 4: I mean I really want to see Honestly, I didn't
Speaker 4: really I never get up in for this, comeboy, so
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a tight turn, but it's.
Speaker 4: So long, man, I never watch it, But I do
Speaker 4: want to see how should do during cam grays out
Speaker 4: after all said and done at their perspective pro days,
Speaker 4: you know, I want to see them at their pro
Speaker 4: see what they do. I watched a ton of football
Speaker 4: of both of those guys for the last few years,
Speaker 4: especially Cam last year being with them being with Miami,
Speaker 4: and the one thing that I took from watching them
Speaker 4: this year that they can't do in the league. Everything
Speaker 4: got be sped up because they took their time with
Speaker 4: trying to find open guys. So now I want to
Speaker 4: see what they do in these drills of you know,
Speaker 4: and I know they can do it, but I want
Speaker 4: to know do it do that? Do week worry about
Speaker 4: that coming into the league that most of these guys
Speaker 4: they're going to hold onto the ball or not at
Speaker 4: the quarterback Like do you watch a quarterback and cottage
Speaker 4: and say, well he hid onto the ball a lot.
Speaker 4: Did that just from what his offense allow him to
Speaker 4: do or do you think that's something that he does
Speaker 4: on his own.
Speaker 1: So I think there's guys where you can see like
Speaker 1: the anticipation, Like that anticipation word to me is you're
Speaker 1: throwing people open and if they show signs of that,
Speaker 1: then you can trust It'll like even if they've got
Speaker 1: to get better, like Je Daniel's good example, So everybody
Speaker 1: gotta get better something, Yes, so we didn't do a
Speaker 1: lot of like throwing people open because the offense didn't
Speaker 1: want it. But there was enough throws I'd say probably
Speaker 1: twenty throws over the course of his whole career, Like
Speaker 1: he can do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't.
Speaker 5: WHI receiver was just torching people so bad.
Speaker 3: He didn't have to let me throw this safe ball
Speaker 3: up here to make sure the elite neighbors fuckers actually saw.
Speaker 1: You saw that he got a quick release stuff. You
Speaker 1: saw the playmaking ability, like you see it. It's just
Speaker 1: like so for example, Jalen hurts like he held the
Speaker 1: ball a ton in college. He took a lot of
Speaker 1: sacks in college. She doesn't say anything now like that's
Speaker 1: there is a reason that you look for that.
Speaker 4: That's what I brought it up because I'm thinking about Jennerherson.
Speaker 4: I'm saying to myself, I know, watching Miami all year,
Speaker 4: we was the only thing that we had a knock
Speaker 4: on cam, which it is hard to knock anything by him,
Speaker 4: and he like, man, get rid of that ball, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But see what happened when you got them legs, When
Speaker 3: you got them legs, like fast guy.
Speaker 5: He's just he's just very twitchy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can, he can, he can, he can buy time,
Speaker 2: you know, most definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so the other one I want to ask you
Speaker 1: about because I'm just curious. His exavier was Strepo past
Speaker 1: Santana mos for Miami's all time receiving yards leader ever
Speaker 1: by a Miami Hurricane with two thousand, five hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy three yards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was mine, I believe. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: that's his Dodgers. That was my thing. He shad I
Speaker 2: think he shattered minds. Yeah, he's a four hundred yard No,
Speaker 2: I did it like in three years because sold has
Speaker 2: he been in school? You know five?
Speaker 5: Did he get a COVID?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he's been. He did it in two
Speaker 2: more years than five. But he's a dog. He's a dog.
Speaker 2: You look at him. This is my comp on him.
Speaker 4: And I don't know a lot of the new new
Speaker 4: slot guys because it's like it's a guy.
Speaker 5: In the Chargers you're talking about from Georgia, not him.
Speaker 4: He knows it is a it's a it's a little dude. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's pretty dope. But when I look at slot receivers,
Speaker 4: when I look at Restrepo, I think of a Julius Edelman,
Speaker 4: uh West West, welcome more Edman than West. He's a
Speaker 4: dog though he's a He's a but he can. He
Speaker 4: catched the ball to me like Reggie.
Speaker 5: Wayne like, so he ain't gonna be great at no
Speaker 5: one thing, but good at everything.
Speaker 2: Everything he can.
Speaker 4: He can run outside. You can put him outside you
Speaker 4: want to, but I think he would. He would dominate
Speaker 4: in love with the Miami tight end Royal. We think
Speaker 4: we could probably get laying him over here.
Speaker 3: I think he is a ultimate, like a weapon, like
Speaker 3: a movie. He my member little Jordan Reid is Jordan
Speaker 3: readers Slash. But I'm also throwing in my dad and
Speaker 3: people might not like to hear this. Kevin wins Winslow list.
Speaker 2: He he does look like I Winslow. It's the eighty.
Speaker 2: I think it's the movement. It's just the man. He
Speaker 2: looks good when he got the ball in his hand
Speaker 2: and he moving like like I'm a little I'm more.
Speaker 3: When you say am I more psyched about who can?
Speaker 3: I think I'm more about who can move up the draft?
Speaker 3: And this draft got like thirty running It's some telling
Speaker 3: though it got it got like thirty running back.
Speaker 2: So if any room crowded. It's the running back room.
Speaker 2: I got my eye on a couple of guys. I
Speaker 2: got my own. Thirty two from l s U I
Speaker 2: mean from state. He's from Virginia, Henderson from He's from Virginia. Boy,
Speaker 2: he can roll Richie.
Speaker 3: I like, uh South care atlanas Raheem Sanders, Rocket Sanders,
Speaker 3: he was at Arkansas first.
Speaker 2: I am very intrigued by him. A big dude.
Speaker 5: He about two thirty five, but he runs like a
Speaker 5: four three forty like he is to me.
Speaker 2: So so is the running backs coming back? Man? Because
Speaker 2: I mean it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Be no one's gonna get paid this but in this
Speaker 1: in this year's class, it could be thirty guys, yes,
Speaker 1: like it could be it could be thirty running backs
Speaker 1: drafted in the whole weekend.
Speaker 2: Like that's how good they are.
Speaker 3: You know, genty he's the front runner, but it's some
Speaker 3: guys behind him, Kingdon.
Speaker 2: Johnson, I mean I got like it's Johnson, Hampton.
Speaker 5: Hampleton, Like it's so many running I saw that.
Speaker 4: I saw that watching college football this year, that there
Speaker 4: was a lot of running backs that was making bad
Speaker 4: for themselves every.
Speaker 3: Time they try to smush the position. I watched him
Speaker 3: try to do it with the tight ends. I watched
Speaker 3: him try to do it with guards. I watched try
Speaker 3: to do it with safeties on defense. Every time they
Speaker 3: try to be a little position, it shows the importance
Speaker 3: the very next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think those are all great running backs.
Speaker 1: For me, it's always a big position, especially for the Cranders.
Speaker 1: Is the offensive line, specifically Josh Shimmons from Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Like he's coming off of a knee injuries and do
Speaker 1: the medical. I'm really curious to hear.
Speaker 2: It's a couple of guys from Ohio State, right how he.
Speaker 1: Comes out of there, you know, so he's the left tackle,
Speaker 1: he works seventy one. Mine's been a little bit of
Speaker 1: Big Trent. You know how he runs around like really
Speaker 1: special athlete, not gonna do anything at the Combine, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna get his medical done and if that knee
Speaker 1: is on schedule, yeah, man, like he is a special
Speaker 1: football player. So man, we are, as you can tell,
Speaker 1: we're incredibly excited for the Combine. We're incredibly excited to
Speaker 1: kind of see these guys go through the process, Excited
Speaker 1: to see how it's changed.
Speaker 3: Excited for them. I'm excited for him, but we also
Speaker 3: know the weight of it. Yeah, and we also know
Speaker 3: the importance of it.
Speaker 1: And also Jason just texted me so rastrepo was twenty
Speaker 1: eight and forty four.
Speaker 4: Yeah about I know he shared, I shared it, but
Speaker 4: he I say it.
Speaker 6: I'm black that But I think that's going to do
Speaker 6: it for today's show.
Speaker 1: And remember for the mail back episode, which is coming
Speaker 1: up next week. Week after we'll figure out we're gonna
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