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Speaker 1: Many people, be at woman or man that lose their

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Speaker 1: house party, Imancy, Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation in serious

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Speaker 2: First of all, take a listen to our friends at NBC.

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Speaker 3: This whole entire place will sleep up to sixty people.

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Speaker 4: The listing agent telling NBC News Corey is currently selling

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Speaker 4: this house, purchased just a week after her husband's death.

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Speaker 4: Detectives say the couple had argued about the property, which

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Speaker 4: Corey wanted to flip. The agent says this rendering shows

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Speaker 4: plans for a four to six million dollar renovation of

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Speaker 4: the ten acre estate, but police say Eric told his

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Speaker 4: family he no longer wanted to buy the house because

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Speaker 4: it would lose a significant amount of money. The day

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Speaker 4: after Eric was found dead, investigator say Corey reached a

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Speaker 4: deal on the home, and that same day through a

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Speaker 1: Wow, and it wasn't just a house. This house was

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Speaker 1: over two million dollars valued unfinished twenty thousand square feet

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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: we know right now. But first to Jarrett Farantino, homicide prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: You can find him on Facebook and Insta at Jarrett Farantino. Jarrett,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being with us. Jarrett, you know money, greed, Greed,

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Speaker 1: greed one of the seven Deadly sins. Now, of course,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of murders have been committed over greed.

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Speaker 5: Nancy, I look at this case and I think about

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Speaker 5: we said when we were talking about doctor Craig, the

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Speaker 5: hell for people that kill out of greed and selfishness.

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Speaker 5: And that's exactly what this is all about. Corey Richards

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Speaker 5: was in love with a lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: A lifestyle, that's a really good way to put it,

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Speaker 2: A lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: Was it a lifestyle she could not sustain with a husband,

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Speaker 1: because here you see him putting the brakes on buying

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Speaker 1: But I do know this. The day after he dies,

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Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, one other thing, and you've prosecuted these cases.

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Speaker 5: This is something events like this, actions like this, a

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Speaker 5: party after the death, that will come in to the

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Speaker 5: ultimate prosecution in this case. Here's why her actions before

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Speaker 5: and her actions after all are relevant to her true

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Speaker 5: her husband, a father of three young children, because she

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Speaker 1: Can we walk through these steps, everybody on the panel?

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Speaker 1: Do I have to keep reminding you this is not

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Speaker 2: Okay, jump in. It's more like a rugby game.

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Speaker 1: No pads, no protection, head on collision and who wins

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Speaker 1: You can find her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen

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Speaker 1: with a CE. Karen a party. You know, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: Great minds think, Oh, I I'm moving right along to that.

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Speaker 1: Who is this this? Dave mac oh Okay, Dave May

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Speaker 6: Well, we have this Nancy every time Cory Richins was

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Speaker 6: So what we know is that, as she this was

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Speaker 1: But what it is, Windsor Castle is not in London,

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Speaker 7: What she did was it.

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Speaker 6: Wasn't like they had butlers and servants and everybody showing up.

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Speaker 6: Because this plan of action, this entire event that took

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Speaker 1: So somebody is jumping on my party bandwagon here and

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Speaker 1: it is Dave Matt with Crime on Line. Hey, Dave,

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Speaker 1: You know, Justin Boardman is with us SI detective formerly

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely not. You know, I noticed something and I

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Speaker 1: Morgan professor forensics at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood

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Speaker 9: Joscott, you know, I've made, as I've told you before,

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Speaker 9: know we always do from the eye. Vitreous fluid is

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Speaker 9: very non specific. It's like looking at the rings on

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Speaker 9: a tree. You know, you can kind of get an

439
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Speaker 9: idea when there were drought, when there's a drought and

440
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Speaker 9: there's a rainy year, and that's where think if you

441
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Speaker 9: look at that analogy with virtuous fluid, you get a

442
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Speaker 9: qualifying amount. You say, Okay, well something has been here before,

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Speaker 9: all right. If they drew virtuous fluid, I'd be really

444
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Speaker 9: interested to see if they found it, because it takes

445
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Speaker 9: a lot longer for it to kind of settle into

446
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Speaker 9: the vitreous virtuous layer. I'd be very curious if they

447
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Speaker 9: found it in there, which would give you an idea.

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Speaker 9: You know, Karen mentioned a moment ago that he had

449
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Speaker 9: been dosed before, and that was on I think the

450
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Speaker 9: February fourteenth. She fixed him a sandwich. And what was interesting,

451
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Speaker 9: you know, how you reacted to that means he had

452
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Speaker 9: difficulty breathing, which is something that you see with opioid ods.

453
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Speaker 9: You know, they'll they'll become a congested, highly congested in

454
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Speaker 9: the face. You'll have individuals that have difficulty breathing. He

455
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Speaker 9: had difficulty breathing at that point time, but it kind

456
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Speaker 9: of resolves. So you know, what if just what if

457
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Speaker 9: that was a test run and then she said, Okay,

458
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Speaker 9: well I gave him this amount this time, it didn't work,

459
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Speaker 9: and by golly, I'm going to give him twice that

460
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Speaker 9: amount this time, and that maybe what happened, you know, And.

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Speaker 1: All I asked him, what did I add? I'm so

462
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what the question was anymore. But

463
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Speaker 1: I have another question for you, Joe, Scott Morgan, and

464
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Speaker 1: for anybody else on this panel. The texts regard I'm

465
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Speaker 1: back on the party. Yeah, I'm not letting it go.

466
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Speaker 1: I want to find out when she texted her friends,

467
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Speaker 1: what did she say in the text Some of those,

468
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Speaker 1: if not all of them, were deleted, along with whomever

469
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Speaker 1: she was texting during the night where she said her

470
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Speaker 1: phone was plugged in in the bedroom with her husband

471
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Speaker 1: and not being used and turned off. There was activity,

472
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Speaker 1: the phone was moving, it was being locked and unlocked,

473
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Speaker 1: and texts were sent and received throughout the evening.

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Speaker 2: They're deleted. Here's the question.

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Speaker 1: I know we can recover a lot of information from

476
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Speaker 1: the cloud that stores all of your information.

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Speaker 2: What about texts? Are they stored?

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Speaker 1: Can we reconstruct the texts that she deleted? And it

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Speaker 1: leads me to Jarrett Fiorentino veteran trial lawyer, guilty conscience.

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Speaker 2: Again, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Even know what I've ever deleted a text ever, because

482
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Speaker 1: that requires time. But you don't have any of that.

483
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Speaker 1: So why would she go to the trouble of deleting

484
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Speaker 1: text and can I recover them?

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Speaker 5: Well, a couple of things. She's lying about having the

486
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Speaker 5: phone at the point, so she's definitely wanting to hide

487
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Speaker 5: the fact that she was using her phone. If you

488
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Speaker 5: delete texts, they are difficult to recover, believe it or not,

489
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Speaker 5: They're not always recoverable. What I've done, and what's done

490
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Speaker 5: in other investigations is you can reverse engineer this.

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Speaker 1: The record will.

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Speaker 5: Reveal who exactly she was texting. You can bet the

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Speaker 5: investigators are going to follow up with those individuals and say, hey,

494
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Speaker 5: we have a record that you were texting with Corey

495
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Speaker 5: that night, show us the text and you can reverse

496
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Speaker 5: engineer the conversation that way.

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Speaker 1: What if they have deleted the text.

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Speaker 5: If your only hope then, Nancy, is they're stored somewhere

499
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Speaker 5: in the cloud or in the depths of the phone.

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Speaker 5: And it's not always the case with text.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 5: The thing about a phone is it stores so much

503
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Speaker 5: information and it's so crazy these cases that it's often

504
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 5: being rewritten. It's just very hard to recreate that kind

505
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Speaker 5: of data. It's just not because there are so many

506
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Speaker 5: texts going back and forth, all of those records aren't

507
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Speaker 5: maintained for an extended period of time. That's where you

508
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Speaker 5: run into difficulty.

509
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Speaker 1: Well, one thing that's interesting a lot of people are

510
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: comparing this case to the Alex Murlock double murder, the

511
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Speaker 1: legal heir in South Carolina that is now convicted of

512
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Speaker 1: murdering wife Maggie and son Paul. Their texts, phone calls,

513
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: even video scent around the time of the murders were

514
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Speaker 1: used at trial, but they had not been deleted, which

515
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Speaker 1: is very different from this case.

516
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Speaker 6: Nancy, I don't want to interrupt you, but can I

517
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Speaker 6: praise do?

518
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Speaker 7: Okay?

519
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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 6: On the night that Eric died after she poised, After

521
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Speaker 6: she allegedly poisoned him, she claimed her phone didn't move,

522
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Speaker 6: that she'd know right there plugged in. They were able

523
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Speaker 6: to prove obviously that it wasn't plugged in, that it

524
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Speaker 6: was moving. It had been unlocked and unlocked several times

525
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Speaker 6: during the time where she said she wasn't on it.

526
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Speaker 6: What they did find is that she had been texting

527
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Speaker 6: her best somebody they labeled the best friend who didn't

528
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Speaker 6: live nearby, lived some ways away. She's called cl in

529
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Speaker 6: some of the paperwork, and she actually had Corey had

530
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Speaker 6: her friend that she was texting with that night delete

531
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Speaker 6: their text messages, and that came up during the investigation.

532
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Speaker 6: When this person admitted to police that she had been

533
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Speaker 6: texting with Corey at that time of night, they said, hey,

534
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Speaker 6: let us see the text. She pulls out her cellphone,

535
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Speaker 6: hands it to him to go for it. All the

536
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Speaker 6: texts between her and Corey were deleted. There were plenty

537
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Speaker 6: of other texts on the phone, but her communication with

538
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Speaker 6: Corey that night all deleted.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. Listen, always jump in, Dave mac.

540
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Speaker 1: It's like when somebody calls the last minute and says

541
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Speaker 1: they're coming to dinner. You go, oh great, I'll just

542
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Speaker 1: add more water to the soup. Place. Just keep pouring

543
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: it in, keep pouring it in, because every fact counts.

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Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: I want to point out another striking characteristic of the

546
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Speaker 1: data analysis. I don't know if the name Richard Debate

547
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: rings a bell, because I can never forget him. He

548
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: murdered his wife he claimed that an unknown intruder masked.

549
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: They're always masked. Remember Jody Area is Joskotte Morgan. She

550
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Speaker 1: said that two masked ninjas broke into Travis Alexander's condo,

551
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Speaker 1: murdered him and let her run free. Always a mask right,

552
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Speaker 1: So in debates case, he says a masked ruder broke

553
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Speaker 1: him and murdered his wife and basically did nothing to him. Okay,

554
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Speaker 1: The fitbit data on the wife's watch showed her walking

555
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: around the house long after he said she was dead,

556
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Speaker 1: So his stories a lie. Then I analyzed a case.

557
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: I think her name was Kelly Heron, Kelly Heron, and

558
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: she was jogging in Seattle and fought off an attacker

559
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: and all of the movements to corroborate her story were

560
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Speaker 1: caught on her fitbit. It was amazing. Same thing here

561
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Speaker 1: regarding the fund And I'm just wondering if she had

562
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Speaker 1: a fitbit or an Apple watch, they could also corroborate

563
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Speaker 1: the police theory that she was not asleep in her

564
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Speaker 1: son's room down the hall, that she was back and

565
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: forth moving. And we also saw in the Alex Murdoye

566
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Speaker 1: prosecution how many times his phone was locked and unlocked,

567
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Speaker 1: and we saw how many times even his door to

568
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: his suburban vehicle were opened and closed based on NAB

569
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Speaker 1: navigation data. It's amazing. So I expect that to be

570
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Speaker 1: a huge part of this trial. But earlier Karen Stark

571
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Speaker 1: brought up a fact that I find really convincing, and

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Speaker 1: that fact is that very shortly after her husband's death,

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Speaker 1: the wife in this case, Corey Richins, has a locksmith

574
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Speaker 1: come and drill into her husband's safe. Now, a lot

575
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Speaker 1: of women may be widows, be they male or female,

576
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Speaker 1: may be thinking about, oh, my goodness, I've got to

577
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Speaker 1: prepare the funeral, what is my spouse going to wear?

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Speaker 1: How am I going to tell all the relatives what's happened?

579
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Speaker 1: And I can't stand the thought of going through this.

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Speaker 1: But Corey Richards was of a much sturdier ilk, and

581
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Speaker 1: she thought to call a locksmith to come to the home.

582
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirty two our friends

583
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Speaker 1: at ABC four.

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Speaker 10: It's the case that just keeps unfolding. Corey has been

585
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Speaker 10: charged with one count of aggravated murder and three counts

586
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Speaker 10: of possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute.

587
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 10: Here's what's been amended on those charges. We've now learned

588
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 10: that after her husband Eric's death on March fourth, Corey

589
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Speaker 10: hired a locksmith to open Eric's safe containing between one

590
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Speaker 10: hundred and twenty five and one hundred.

591
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: And sixty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 10: Eric's sister told Corey she didn't have the rights to

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Speaker 10: those funds, resulting in Corey punching her. Eric also opened

594
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Speaker 10: a living trust and placed the trust as his life

595
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 10: insurance beneficiary instead of Corey. We also now know that

596
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Speaker 10: Corey had purchased at least four life insurance policies on

597
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Speaker 10: Eric richins with death benefits.

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Speaker 1: Of over a million dollars. That has a lot of information.

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00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: Us here one more time, our friends at ABC four.

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Speaker 10: It's the case that just keeps unfolding. Corey has been

601
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Speaker 10: charged with one count of aggravated murder and three counts

602
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 10: of possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute.

603
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 10: Here's what's been amended on those charges. We've now learned

604
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 10: that after her husband Eric's death on March fourth, Corey

605
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 10: hired a locksmith to open Eric's safe containing between one

606
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Speaker 10: hundred and twenty five and one hundred and.

607
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: Sixty five thousand dollars.

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00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 10: Eric's sister told Corey she didn't have the rights to

609
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 10: those funds, resulting in Corey punching her. Eric also opened

610
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Speaker 10: a living trust and placed the trust as his life

611
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 10: insurance beneficiary instead of Corey. We also now know that

612
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Speaker 10: Corey had purchased at least four life insurance policies on

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Speaker 10: Eric ritchins with death benefits of over a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is what jumps out at me in a

615
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Speaker 1: probative manner. In other words, can I use it to

616
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Speaker 1: prove something at trial? Immediately following her husband's death, she's

617
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Speaker 1: not planning the funeral, notifying relatives. She's hiring a locksmith

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Speaker 1: to drill into her husband's safe to get out about

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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five thousand dollars in cash. Her

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00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: husband's sister said, whoa wait, wait, you don't have a

621
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Speaker 1: right to that money. And what does she do? She

622
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Speaker 1: punches her sister in law, punches her, I believe in

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Speaker 1: the face. We also learn that the deceased husband, Eric Richards,

624
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: opened a living trust and placed the trust as his

625
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: life insurance beneficiary to a sister, not his wife. We

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Speaker 1: also know that the widow the merry widow Corey Richins,

627
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 1: purchased four life insurance policies on her husband with death

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Speaker 1: benefits millions of dollars. Okay, all of that is probative

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Speaker 1: to Justin Boardman joining me former detective West Valley City PD,

630
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: now running Boardman Training and consultant. And this is his jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Which one of those do you want to take a

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Speaker 1: crack at first?

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Speaker 7: Wow? Probably the life insurance policy. You know, usually, and well,

634
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Speaker 7: at least in my cases, I've had to have, like

635
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Speaker 7: when I took out a life insurance policy on a

636
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 7: wife or something like that, I've had to notify them

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Speaker 7: that it was being done. And that doesn't seem like

638
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 7: that was the case. So that's certainly something that sticks

639
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Speaker 7: out to me.

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Speaker 1: Right. In other words, her taking a life insurance policy

641
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Speaker 1: and her husband was not unusual, but the fact that

642
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: she took out four and failed to notify him as

643
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: is customary suggests a nefarious motive. And I got to

644
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: tell you this, Justin, if my husband takes out four

645
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: brand new life insurance policies on me, I'm calling his mother,

646
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Speaker 1: even if I had to do it through seance in

647
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Speaker 1: reporting him. She's the only person he's ever been the

648
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Speaker 1: least bit afraid of. So I'm gonna have to call

649
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: for Heavenly aid on that for life insurance policies, and

650
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: doesn't notify him because we see him changing the beneficiary

651
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: from her to somebody else because he's afraid.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, and obviously he was thinking that this might this

653
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 7: might turn into this homicide, you know, certainly like with Josh.

654
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: Powell and Susan Susan Powell in.

655
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Speaker 7: Case, I worked the outskirts of a little bit out

656
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 7: of my former jurisdiction where she left a note saying

657
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 7: that if I ended up dead, this is who probably

658
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 7: did it, pointing to her husband.

659
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: And he was never arrested for a murder and her

660
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: body has never been found, so there's definitely a trail

661
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: being left. I find the greed aspect overwhelming that she

662
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: was hiring a locksmith while she could have been planning

663
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: not a party, but gathering after the funeral, or her

664
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: words at the funeral. Karen Stark, Well.

665
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Speaker 3: It's not only that, Nancy, I mean, think think of

666
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 3: everything that we're talking about. I mean, here she's attacking

667
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: her sister in law for telling her.

668
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 1: Now it's my next thing, Karen Stark. I believe you've

669
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: met on the set a couple of times. My sister's

670
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: in law, jan and Donna, and I got to tell

671
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: you how blessed I was never a crossword ever. And

672
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: this woman is punching the sister in law.

673
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: The just picture that her husband is dead, she's supposed

674
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: to be grieving, and just the idea of punching her

675
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 3: sister in law when you don't actually see people walking

676
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: around and punching their family in the face. And then

677
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 3: none of that shows signs of someone who's distraught. There's

678
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: nothing distraught about her. And one of the other things

679
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: that she did, which hasn't been mentioned yet, Nancy, is

680
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 3: that she changed his life insurance policies without him knowing

681
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: that he was doing with his partner.

682
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: And he finds out and changes it back. Right, he

683
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: should have said a chill down his spine. But I'm

684
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: back on okay. Two things. The hiring a locksmith. I

685
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: mean she's not trying to find an organist for the wedding,

686
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: I mean that organist for the funeral. Instead, she's hiring

687
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Speaker 1: a locksmith to get that cash.

688
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: You set a wedding for a reason, nance, Yeah, yeah,

689
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: you're right. Your reason you made that mistakes. That's definitely

690
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: a Freudian slipp It's because she was acting more like

691
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: it was a celebration than it was the funeral.

692
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Speaker 1: You're so right, Karen Stark. And you know, back to

693
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Speaker 1: the timeline. I know nobody is taking the bait on

694
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: my party theory. But what did she go to the

695
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: liquor store and buy the booze and get the food ready?

696
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: I mean, she's having a celebration. She might as well

697
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: just dance across his grave.

698
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 6: One of the things about the party aspect that has

699
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 6: bothered me immenseally is who has friends that would come

700
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 6: over and participate in a loud drinking party the day

701
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 6: after their friend's husband died.

702
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, who do you think

703
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: that Corey Richins is hanging out with nuns and priests

704
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: and virgins? You know, I'm sure they were all on

705
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: her side.

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Speaker 9: Nancy. I have an idea who might be coming to

707
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 9: that partar someone that is mentioned in these texts. It's

708
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 9: rather cryptic and we don't know their name yet, but

709
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 9: their initials are C. L. And that's the individual that

710
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 9: supplied her with the fentanyl. And the police know who

711
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 9: this individual is and so this transaction, and they they

712
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 9: frame the transaction when she purchased these illicit substances from

713
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 9: this individual as a hand to hand try and transaction.

714
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 9: That's the way the police frame this. So I'm thinking,

715
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 9: you know, going to you know, to your train of

716
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 9: thought here, who's showing up? Who in the heck is

717
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 9: she associating with in this world in which she endwelled?

718
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: And Joe Scott Morgan, I'm very disappointed. I thought you

719
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Speaker 1: party people at Jacksonville State University throw a party. Of course,

720
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: you have to invite your dope dealer guys. If you

721
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: have any information regarding the death, the painful death of

722
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Speaker 1: the father of these three little boys, Eric Richards, please

723
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Speaker 1: call four three, five, six one five thirty six hundred. Goodbye,

724
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Speaker 1: said