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That's O T T E R 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: dot Ai. Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curict and I'm Bomas 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: st John and this is Back to Biz with Katie 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: and Bose Bose. This week, we have a bit of 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: a departure. You know. When you and I decided we 26 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: wanted to do this podcast together, we were really talking 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: about getting back to biz or how businesses would change 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: in light of the pandemic. But of course everything has 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: changed because of this huge cultural moment we're witnessing with 30 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter. Yes, that's right, Katie. I mean, right now, 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: we're finding that there are so many narratives being told, 32 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: not just about the pandemic, but you're right about Black 33 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: Lives Matter, and about so many things that are concerning 34 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: us in our society, and so really interesting to talk 35 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: to someone who is at the center of creating narratives 36 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: and stories that we're all paying attention to. Absolutely, and 37 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: Judd Apatow is just that, a writer, producer, director. He's 38 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: got a new movie out called The King of Staten 39 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: Island starring Pete Davidson. It's really semi autobiographical because it's 40 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: about Pete's own challenges and journey of losing his father. 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: His mom is played by Marissa Tomay, and his little 42 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: sister is actually played by Judd's daughter maud Right, except 43 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: even the little sisters leaving the nest. She set it 44 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: off to college, and she's leaving her twenties something year 45 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: old brother behind. You gonna be okay without me here? 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: You don't think I could five here without you? Okay, 47 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: Just don't be a dick. Okay, it would be nice 48 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: to mom. Okay, don't give her a hard time. She 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: deserves a break. I always give her a break. When's 50 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: what am I gonna get my break? Like? What are 51 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: you talking about? All? Anyone ever does this worry about you? 52 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: I was ignored my entire childhood because of you. Yeah, 53 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: I forgot that my childhood was so dandy. Okay, you 54 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: don't get that crazy your whole life just because dad died. Okay, 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: at least you've got to know him. Well, you're lucky 56 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: you didn't get to know him, Okay, because that's why 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: you're almost normal. If you got to know me, would 58 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: have known that he was like the coolest guy ever, 59 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: and that wouldn't ruin the rest of your life. Okay, 60 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: But what are you gonna do? Or are you gonna 61 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: get a job, or are you going to leave the house? 62 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: I don't know I'm gonna open that tattoo restaurant. Well, 63 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if that tattoo restaurant is the real winner. 64 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: We know about business and that's not it. I don't 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: think so either, right, But there really is so much 66 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: to unpack in this movie. I mean, it's also dealing 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: with trauma and mental health in a way that feels 68 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: really direct and refreshing. I was really impressed with this 69 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: movie Bows, But of course it was done a while ago, 70 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: and we'll be talking to jud about the future not 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: only of movie making but movie going. But we want 72 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: to check in first with the present. How he's doing 73 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: months into this pandemic hold up at home, one man 74 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: among many women, his lovely wife Leslie Man, and his 75 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: nearly grown daughters Iris and Maud. That might have been 76 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts about the whole conversation, how 77 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: he got the takeover. So let's start there, old Gramont 78 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: and Iris. Now, Jud, there are twenty two and seventeen, 79 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: and that's not the age where you want to hang 80 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: out with your parents a lot. You know, that's the 81 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: moment when you leave and you're so happy to get 82 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: away from your parents. So it's a very weird moment 83 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: for us all to be stuck together, because now we're 84 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: not like a family, We are like weird roommates. Because 85 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: when you spend this much time together and they're that old, 86 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Iris will be eighteen in October, you can't 87 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: really even give them advice or tell them what to do. 88 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: You can't ground them because we're all grounded together. And 89 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: I think all people were five minutes from doing mushrooms 90 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: together at this point. Well, the family dynamics are very 91 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: interesting during these strange times. But we're all lucky and 92 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: we're all surviving. And uh, I keep thinking about how 93 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: fortunate I am because there's so many people who are 94 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: really really hurting, so jud we have so much ground 95 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: to cover. You've been so busy, and we're excited to 96 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: talk to you about your new movie. But first I 97 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: just want to go back in time quickly, because you 98 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: were a bit of a late bloomer. You didn't direct 99 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: your first movie until you were thirty five years old, 100 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: because you had a hard time convincing studio executives that 101 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: your ideas had potential. What was it about your form 102 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: of comedy or your brand of comedy, Judd that studio 103 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: had Studio exact same thanks, but no thanks. It's hard 104 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: to know. I think that you know, for like Freaks 105 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: and Geek, which was about high school kids, but it 106 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: was you know, it was the weirdos. It was the 107 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: potheads and the geeks, and there wasn't a lot of 108 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: those on television, especially in the lead roles. Back then, 109 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: it used to be that everyone was gorgeous and it 110 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: was like a soap opera and it was very you know, 111 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek style. And someone that wrote an article and 112 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: they said, well, this is like independent film on television. 113 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: And at that time, you know, before streaming, before cable, 114 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: when in that direction we just seemed weird. I mean, 115 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: freaksing Geeks right now would totally fit in on television. 116 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: It might even be corny compared to what everyone is 117 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: watching at this point. But back then it just seemed 118 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: very odd to show the problems of teenagers where it 119 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: didn't get solved, where it was just painful, and then 120 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: sometimes things would go terribly wrong and then the episode 121 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: would end and you realize, oh, this is about that. 122 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just hard, and sometimes you lean on your 123 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: friends and it doesn't work out and you don't get 124 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: the girl and you don't get the good position in 125 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: in sports, and you're kind of humiliated by everyone, and 126 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: you're just trying to hold it together to survive high school. 127 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: And so I think some of the ideas I like 128 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: that maybe they were they were so truthful that the 129 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: culture wasn't doing a lot of that at the time. 130 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: But then suddenly with everything that HBO was doing and 131 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: uh whatever, all the all the shows, what what the 132 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Sopranos did and Leana done him? Did it? The culture changed. 133 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: You have a new movie, The King of Staten Island, 134 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: and it had to be released on demand instead of 135 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: in theaters for obvious reasons, as we've been discussing, but 136 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: you also said that you feel this movie somehow was 137 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: destined to be seen right now. Why why is that? 138 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: Why does it need to be seen right now? I 139 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: think the movie is about, uh, you know, a family 140 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: struggle to get over the death of the father who 141 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: was a firefighter and in real life, Pete Davidson's father 142 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: lost his life in nine eleven. In the movie, it's 143 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's a fabricated situation, but it's about a 144 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: family who's frozen in their grief. They haven't really moved 145 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: forward the way they should, in a healthy way. And 146 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: only when Pete's character's mother starts dating another fireman played 147 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: by Bill Burr his mom's played by Maarissa Tomay, does 148 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: it force them to confront everything that has held them back, 149 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: all the trauma that's prevented them from moving forward. And 150 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: I felt like the movie is about sudden loss, it's 151 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: about grief, it's about the ways it can impede our lives, 152 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: and it's also about firefighters and heroes and nurses and 153 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: first responders. So when I was asked, you know when 154 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: you put it out on video on demand now versus 155 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: releasing it in a year, I thought, well, this is 156 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: kind of the subject that we're all dealing with. How 157 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: do we deal with change and loss and grief and 158 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: how do people come together and help each other and heal? 159 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: So maybe it's supposed to come out right now. It 160 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: felt weird to hold onto it to say that's his 161 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: way to year so it can be in theaters, Like, 162 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: why do I need it in theaters? Is that an 163 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: ego trip for me? Is because I need the experience 164 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: of the of the audience, or did I make the 165 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: movie to make people happy to help them go through 166 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: something emotionally that I think might be helpful. And then 167 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: I thought, maybe it's supposed to come out now, maybe 168 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: that's what it was destined to do. Yeah, but you're right. 169 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: I feel like movies content in general is sort of 170 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: a therapy, right. This probably brought up a lot of difficult, 171 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: unresolved issues for Pete. Did you find that did Did 172 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: it bring up anything even for yourself? It definitely did 173 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: for for all of us. In terms of Pete, we 174 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: sat around for years talking NonStop about how it felt to, 175 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, to lose a parent, and to lose a 176 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: parent at seven when you don't even really understand what's 177 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: going on. And then there's this added dimension, which is 178 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: your father dies in nine eleven, and the entire world 179 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: is talking about nine eleven for the rest of your life. 180 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't really go away. And so I would what 181 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: I would say to Pete is, you know, my mother 182 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: died of cancer in two thousand and eight, and it 183 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: was very traumatic, and how it happened was very traumatic, 184 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: but no one talks about it. So I can go 185 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: years and no one will mention my mother other than 186 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: my sister, and and so in some ways it gives 187 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: me some separation. It allows me to heal, It allows 188 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: me to develop, you know, this life after losing her. 189 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: For him, people talk to him about it every day 190 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: of his life, multiple times a day, and it's connected 191 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: to their grief and their loss, and so in a way, 192 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: he's he's in a groundhog Day loop about it, and 193 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: he has his own private grief. He just misses his dad. 194 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean, at the core of it, he just misses 195 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: his dad. He and he missed out on a relationship 196 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: that he really grieves for. How we don't really talk 197 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: about it much fun Yeah I missed it. Oh yeah, 198 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: let me too. And uh, I'm sorry that I been 199 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: so difficult to deal with. I'll try and get it together. 200 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm just sorry, I think it. I mean, I talked 201 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: a lot with Pete about how when he was a 202 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: kid he was having a lot of mental health struggles 203 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: and he used to listen to kids and Kid Cutty 204 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: had all this amazing music about his anxiety and depression. 205 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: And Pete said, that really got me through it. And 206 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: in the last few years, a lot of what we've 207 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: been working on is content about mental health. And Pete 208 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: wanted to make a movie that was about his story, 209 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: so that if you were home depressed or suicidal or 210 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: had anxiety, you might watch this movie and relate to 211 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: Pete and and see some hope in how he got better. Well, 212 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: I think it's just so remarkable that, um, we can 213 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: use art in this way to find healing, you know, 214 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: for a number of different things that happen in our lives. 215 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: But I also think it's remarkable that you're able to 216 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: sort of nurture that kind of storytelling, you know, and 217 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: with talent that sometimes maybe would get lost otherwise. Um, 218 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: and we know that you certainly mentored a lot of 219 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: young talent and provided vehicles for people like Amy Schumer 220 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: and Kristin Wigg and Seth Rogan. What is it that 221 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: you see in town like that you know in their 222 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: in their own storytelling, or how to nurture that type 223 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: of vulnerability? I mean, I think that clearly through Gary Shandon, 224 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: who I worked with the Larry Sander Show, I learned 225 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: a lot about mining your life for your art. And 226 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: I think as a fan of music, I always was 227 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: drawn to people who would tell stories that were clearly 228 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: from their lives. It could be James Taylor, could be 229 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: the Beatles, you love those songs that you knew were real. 230 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: I think as a kid that was very important to me. 231 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: And then I think Richard Tryer in a way taught me, oh, 232 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: you would just work it out on stage like he 233 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: just told He told the stories of his life. Here's 234 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: the things I've done, here's the thing things I've done 235 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: which are terrible, Here's the mistakes I've made, Here's what 236 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: I've learned. And there were a lot of artists like that, Nirvana, 237 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: just just all these people where you thought, oh, they're 238 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: not kidding, They're really showing you the raw, real stuff. 239 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: And I learned with Gary that you could take your 240 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: life as the raw materials for storytelling, and they blur 241 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: the line. Some of it's totally made up, some of 242 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: it is actually very close to the truth. And a 243 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: writer's room at a TV show, everyone tells their stories. 244 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: And then that led to me writing Knocked Up and 245 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: Fortyal Virgin and um Photo Virgin with Steve and this 246 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: is forty. And then I started trying to mind my stuff, 247 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: which is always a combination of made up and and 248 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: true things that you're thinking about. And then when I 249 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: met Pete, I mean, that was as close to the 250 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: bone as you can get. But he was as brave 251 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: as anyone I've ever met in terms of I'm willing 252 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: to go all the way, Jedd, There's no aspect of 253 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: this that I'm going to hold back. Most people hold 254 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: back something like no, I can't go that far, that's 255 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: too darker, that that will make me look weird. And 256 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: Pete's like, let's just show all of them when we 257 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: come back. Jed Apatel on how to make colle at 258 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: a more diverse, welcoming place for all storytellers, whether your 259 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: event needed one room or an entire conference center, hoppin 260 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: has revolutionized the way people come together. 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Get started now at career builder dot com. 294 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: You're listening to Back to Biz with Katie and Bows 295 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: and we're talking with Judd Apatow, who as I'm sure 296 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: you're aware, a comedy powerhouse in Hollywood, but what about 297 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: the responsibility that comes with that power. Here we are 298 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: in a moment of national reckoning on race, so we 299 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: wanted to explore what leaders like Judd can do to 300 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: be the change that we want Hollywood to be. And 301 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: it's interesting because Judd has actually faced criticism about the 302 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: lack of diversity in his own work, So we started 303 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: there asking him where his head was at with all 304 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: of this and what he can do to better elevate 305 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: black stories. You know, Yeah, it's and it's an ever 306 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: evolving thing. You know, for me, princes with freaks and geeks. 307 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: When I went to high school, there was one black 308 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: person in thirteen years of high school on Long Island 309 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: where I grew up. So if I did a high 310 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: school show, and I said, well, let's make that you 311 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: can do that, and I think in this era you 312 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: would do that. But at the time, we just wrote 313 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: about what our high schools looked like and that was 314 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: not that uh, and maybe that was completely wrong at 315 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: the time, but you know, we came from places that 316 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: we're not diverse. Then when I worked with Lena Dunham 317 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: on Girls, at the time, there weren't shows with female 318 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: showrunners who were the lead and the producer and the director. 319 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: And that became something that I think really was a 320 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: game changer for women running their shows. And it led 321 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: to shows like Fleabag and all these other programs where 322 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: women could create a show for themselves and start it 323 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: and direct it and produce it. And then some people 324 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: were like, well, that should be more diverse, and you're like, okay, 325 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: I I can see that that we need to keep 326 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: broadening it. We're all figuring out like, well, what is truthful? 327 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: How would you do it? And what I feel like 328 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: the solution to it is it's like what we did 329 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: with The Big Sick, which is I met fremail nine 330 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: Johnny and Emily Gordon, and they wanted to write this 331 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: story about how they met, and a lot of it 332 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: was about, you know, a family of people from Pakistan 333 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: and their experience in America and how their family worked. 334 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, no one wants it to make it. 335 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter how successful I've been, I 336 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: couldn't sell that script. Uh and Emily and Kamil had 337 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: an amazing story and they're brilliant, and Camail is an 338 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: incredible actor and he's on television. No One, So we 339 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: just developed it for years for free. No one paid them. 340 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: And then we got film Nation to give us five 341 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: million dollars to make the movie. Right, So we get 342 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: five million dollars to make the movie. Now, normally my 343 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: movies cost about thirty million dollars, So right there, you 344 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: can say there's almost a systemic racism in the budget, 345 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: right because there's a belief that no one will want 346 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: to see a kid from Pakistan as the lead in 347 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: a comedy in America. So the movie gets made. Film 348 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: Nation stands behind us and gives it. They give us 349 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: the money. They're great, but none of the studios did 350 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: We show it at Sundance. It's a big hit. They 351 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: sell it for a lot of money to Amazon and 352 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: then lions Gate distributes it, and now you've got the 353 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: corporations behind it because we've proven it's good, and then 354 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: it makes a ton of money, right, it makes a 355 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: ton of money, and it basically becomes an example that 356 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: the racism which makes it hard to make this movie 357 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: is all bullshit. It's completely unfair and it's not even 358 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: accurate to what the audience wants. The audience wanted that movie. 359 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: There's no reason why it should have been a five 360 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: million dollar movie. It's could have been a thirty million 361 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: dollar movie. And and that's how I've learned to deal 362 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: with this, which is, can I give opportunities to diverse 363 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: people to tell their stories and maybe I could use 364 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: my wisdom to help them, And you know, that seems 365 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: to be the best way forward. And the truth is, 366 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: and you you always sound lame saying it. I can't 367 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: tell you how many projects I've tried to make that 368 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: didn't work, where we couldn't get the script right. You know, 369 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: I did a pilot with Kevin Hart in two thousand 370 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: and two. I was like the first guy to go. 371 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: I think Kevin Hart's gonna be the biggest start in 372 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: the world. And it took a long time after that 373 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: for him to figure it out. But we were on 374 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: that on that train from day one, like he was 375 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: on undeclared he's in the four ye Old Virgin. But 376 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: I personally was never good enough to crack the script 377 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: to help Kevin make it. You know, he did that 378 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: in his own work that had nothing to do with me. 379 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: And so we try and sometimes we we just fail. Also, 380 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: I think the brilliant thing, um that you just said 381 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: was about even the example of your high school, right, 382 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: and that if you were to write something about your 383 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: high school experience, you would write about this big class 384 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: with this one kid in it. And that is the 385 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: that is the middle of the issue, right. It's not 386 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: so much about having white people right black stories. It's 387 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: about having black people right black stories, diversifying the storytelling. 388 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: And so I think it's it's really quite important, and 389 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: there's a responsibility of those who have the door open 390 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: to find ways to extend it so that our storytelling 391 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: can become more diverse too, because I also think it's 392 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: about systemic racism, like why is Judd going to a 393 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: school or me for that matter, where there's like a 394 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: handful of black kids in the entire school. But I 395 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: think that's a reflection of you know, so many issues 396 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: that created this de facto segregation that Judd and I 397 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: and Bose you to a certain extent too, even though 398 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: you're a little younger than we are, and well I'm 399 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: the old one of the group. We're all about ten 400 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: years apart um. But I think it's it's a reflection 401 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: of what was happening in society when jud and I 402 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: were growing up. But one thing I wanted to ask you, Judd, 403 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: to to build on something you said, why are these 404 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: network executives or these studio executives so clueless? I think, 405 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: what's so interesting? You said, they weren't reflecting what the 406 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: audience wanted, right, you know, so they're saying no, and 407 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: yet the audience is saying yes. So why is there 408 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: such a disconnect? Is it because of the people who 409 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: hold these positions of power to green light a project. 410 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of theories that are 411 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: just wrong, and it's not. It's it's about every aspect 412 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: of diversity. When we made Bridesmaids, I didn't think we 413 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: were doing anything to help women. I mean, I grew 414 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: up on Gilder Radner and Tody Fields and Lucy Ball. 415 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: There was never any part of me that thought that 416 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: men were funnier than women. If anything, I think that 417 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: my greatest heroes were women. So I just wanted to 418 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: make a movie with Kristin Wig. I didn't think that 419 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 1: this was symbolic. I didn't think it was about helping 420 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: women prove they could be, you know, the leads of 421 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: movies or female driven comedies. I just thought christ And 422 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: Wiggs a genius. Let's make a movie with her. And 423 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: then people started saying, you know, if the movie does well, 424 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: maybe it'll help the studios realized they should make more 425 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: movies with female comedic leads. I never thought of it 426 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: as a test case, and then it turned out it 427 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: did very well, and it did lead to a bunch 428 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: of other movies happening for different people. But that was 429 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: a theory, like the studios were not pursuing women to 430 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: be the leads of comedies in the way they should have. 431 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: It would happen here and there, but you know, they'd 432 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: be a Goldie Hawn movie, or you know, every once 433 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: in a while someone would get a shot. But it 434 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: was still way less than man. And so for me, 435 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: I've just tried to be more aware of it. I 436 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: like being in terrain where no one is. So one 437 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: of the reasons why I do certain things, that's just because, 438 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: oh this this community isn't getting a movie. It's fun 439 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: to try to make a great one because it's not 440 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: something that everyone has burnt out. But I realized I 441 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: just need partners. I need to partner up with with 442 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: these people. And we have a lot of projects that 443 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: we hope get done. We're doing a gay romantic comedy 444 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: with Billy Eichner, and there hasn't been a big studio 445 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: romantic comedy like that. It's it's if it's been done. 446 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: It's been done maybe once or twice ever. But he's 447 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: got the big budget. He doesn't have the big sick budget. 448 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: He's got the real budget from Universal Studios, and he 449 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: wrote a hysterical script and it's And the truth is, 450 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of sad that it's a big deal to 451 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: get it. It's very sad. But that's what we're trying 452 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: to do. We're trying to tell great stories and partner 453 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: up with people that we believe in, and hopefully that's 454 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: the way we could make a big difference. We're going 455 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: to take a short break, but when we come back, 456 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: Jed tells us how he thinks the pandemic will change 457 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: the movie industry. 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Start your search at career builder dot com. 475 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to Back to Biz with Katie and Bows 476 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: and as we wrap up with Judd Apataw, we asked 477 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: him about the future of moviemaking, and if he's going 478 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: to be one of the people dipping his toe back 479 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: into filming in the middle of a pandemic, I know, 480 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: I'm very scared, and I will be among the last 481 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: people to say let's go, because I I really would 482 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: never want to put anyone in danger. I know when 483 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: when this time passes and things are safe, everyone will 484 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: run back to the movie theaters, just like they're trying 485 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: to run back to everything now before they should. But 486 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: there's going to be a very painful pause for the industry. 487 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: A lot of movie theaters are closing though. I mean, 488 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: some people say saying this is just accelerating a trend 489 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: that we were already witnessing, and and that is kind 490 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: of the demise of movie theaters, which would really make 491 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: me sad. But do you think that movie watching is 492 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: going to come back? I do. I do, because people 493 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: might just miss it. They can come back bigger because 494 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: people are tired of being in their homes binging, and 495 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: maybe it will make them appreciate the experience. I think 496 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: it will always be there. The question is what will 497 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: we make for the theater and what will we make 498 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: for home viewing? So everyone wants to see spectacle, right, 499 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: we want to see explosions and superheroes in a movie theater. 500 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: People aren't really going to the theater to see what 501 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: used to be the mid price drama. You don't see 502 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: the studios spending million dollars on a drama the way 503 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: they used to make a Meryl Street movie. Uh, there's 504 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: less of that happening. It's still happening, it's but it's 505 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 1: kind of lower budgeted and going straight to streaming a 506 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: fair amount of the time. And so I think what's 507 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: going to change is what goes in the theater. And 508 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to know, you know, what to make of that, 509 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: because they're making some great movies that are meant for streaming, 510 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: and maybe an independent filmmaker that used to make a 511 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: movie for two million dollars in a theater might get 512 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: ten million dollars to make it for Netflix, and so 513 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: there's all sorts of trade offs. Yeah, well, we're seeing 514 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: good Lord, we're seeing a lot of drama in our 515 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: in our regular lives, right, not even in the theater. 516 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: And clearly the election is oooming. Lord help us, all um. 517 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: We just had this great conversation with Stacy Abrahams last week, 518 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: who is just so impressive. I I really admire her 519 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: um and I know that you share her concern about 520 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: voter suppression in this country. What initially sparked your activism 521 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: around this issue in particular, I mean generally, My act 522 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: activism was set off by the fact that when Donald 523 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: Trump started birtherism, I was just really disgusted. I wrote 524 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: some jokes for the President for the Correspondence dinner that 525 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: made fun of Trump. Now, I know that he's taken 526 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: some flat lately, but no one is happier. No one 527 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest 528 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: than the Donalds. And that's because he can finally get 529 00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: back to focusing on the issues that matter, like we 530 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: fake the moon landing? What really happened in Roswell? And 531 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: where are Biggie and Tupac. The reason why some of 532 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: those jokes were harsh was because I was so annoyed 533 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: and scared about his looming presence, and I even said 534 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: to everybody, I think we should go harder at him. 535 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: And this is a real destructive force in our country. 536 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 1: And my worst nightmares have come true about what could happen, 537 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: And I think the only way he stays in office 538 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: is through voter suppression. That's the only way he does 539 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: it is by setting up rules and working with local, 540 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: uh you know, state governments to make it harder for 541 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: people to vote in areas where he might not you know, 542 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: be in favor. And that is something that is going 543 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: to be handled in the courts. Obviously, I've always supported 544 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: the A C l U because they do a lot 545 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: of work fighting voter suppression. He's already saying that voting 546 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 1: by mail will be filled with fraud when there is 547 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: no fraud at all. There's no history of it. But 548 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: that's why Stacy pointed out Judd Stacy pointed out that 549 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: there is very little voter fraud and that is so misleading, 550 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: and that's what they always fall back on when it 551 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: comes to making voting more accessible to more people. Well, also, 552 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if people talk about it enough. When 553 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump ran to president in two thousand and sixteen, 554 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: he was saying it was rigged before he won. So 555 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: this is his playbook, which is to set him itself 556 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: up to always win. Even when he loses. He says 557 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,239 Speaker 1: it's unfair before it happens. They should pull out all 558 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: the clips of him saying this in two thousand and sixteen, 559 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 1: and it's happening while he's colluding with Russia. It's happening 560 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: while he's doing all sorts of things which are unethical 561 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: or illegal. So he sets himself up to have a 562 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: grievance and to get people worked up. And then he's 563 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: putting a lot of judges and he hopes that he 564 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: could say the elections unfair and then maybe the Supreme 565 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: Court supports some bizarre ruling that keeps him in office, 566 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: or maybe there has to be a second election. And 567 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, it sounds crazy, but there are people on 568 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: that court that are going to support anything that he says. 569 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: And luckily, but we saw what happened with daka Uh. 570 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: You know this week he's not winning everything at the 571 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, but he's certainly gambling on it with this election. 572 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: I would assume. I mean, you're in such a great position, judge. 573 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: You have so much influence and power in Hollywood, and 574 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious how you plan to use it or what 575 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: you're what you're thinking about and looking at in terms 576 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: of projects right now, in terms of you know, my company, 577 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: where we do a lot of development. I feel good 578 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: because we were in this mindset for a while, you know, 579 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: we we we have been looking to do diverse projects. 580 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: We've been looking to do things which are more political. 581 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: I feel like in all areas. It's not just you know, 582 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: it's diversity of thought as well. There are so many 583 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: things that we don't talk about, and when we do 584 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: talk about it and people feel seen and less alone, 585 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: it really helps them in their lives and inspires them 586 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: in so many ways. So I hope that that's what 587 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: comes of this this time. And kindness. You know, we 588 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: need more kindness. We need to lift each other up 589 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: and take care of each other and make that our 590 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: our focus. That was Judd Apataw and his latest movie 591 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: is The King of Staten Island available on demand. That 592 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: does it. For this episode of Back to Biz with 593 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: Katie and Bows and you know what's crazy, we're nearly 594 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: at the halfway mark of this series. So are you 595 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: having fun doing this? Bo No, I'm not. This is 596 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. Well, you're doing a great job 597 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: and I love having you as my partner. Well, thank you, Katie. No, 598 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: I really I do love you and I'm having a blast. 599 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: And of course, I mean we've been so inspired and 600 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 1: I've been so inspired by our guests t D. Jake's 601 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: Opal to, Matty, Mary Barro, Stacy Abrams. 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