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Speaker 2: Welcome to the VC Show. I'm your host, Vince Carter,
Speaker 2: and we have a lot of great basketball to talk
Speaker 2: about today. Two great game sevens Eastern and Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk some W n B A and much
Speaker 2: much more. And oh yeah, I have some special guests
Speaker 2: coming through. So kick your feet up. The VC Show
Speaker 2: starts now.
Speaker 3: Hold on.
Speaker 2: You got what they wanted, all right, guys, I have
Speaker 2: some special special guests, really close friends. You know when
Speaker 2: you talk about you know, we all have a group chat.
Speaker 2: Everybody has a group chat and it's all your friends
Speaker 2: or maybe you have your work your your your work
Speaker 2: chat or whatnot. And I wanted to bring a couple
Speaker 2: of the guys from the chat. The other guys couldn't
Speaker 2: make it. So we're gonna we'll reconvene, We'll have the
Speaker 2: big group on and and really have basketball talk this
Speaker 2: way because I feel like outside of always hearing me
Speaker 2: and and some some other NBA athletes, it's always cool
Speaker 2: to bring in guys who have played the game, uh,
Speaker 2: who are around it, talk it and give their opinions
Speaker 2: along with mine. And I think it kind of makes
Speaker 2: for good conversation because everybody can relate on different levels
Speaker 2: and and you know, and enlightened because it's always like
Speaker 2: I know how I see the game, and I know
Speaker 2: Joe and and Ao because we've all had these conversations before,
Speaker 2: and I value their opinions, whether sometimes their right or
Speaker 2: dead wrong, but it makes a good conversation, so enjoy.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna start here. My first guest one of
Speaker 2: my best friends. We've been friends since childhood. He's now
Speaker 2: the head coach at our album Model Mainland High School
Speaker 2: back to back state playoff appearances as a coach twenty
Speaker 2: three and twenty four, back to back Coach of the
Speaker 2: Year in Belusha County, that's where we're from. In Daytona
Speaker 2: Beach twenty three and twenty four back to back five
Speaker 2: star Coach of the Year also twenty three and twenty four,
Speaker 2: So the last two years has been pretty darn good
Speaker 2: for him. And as a player, he also went what
Speaker 2: back to back state championships we won in the ninety
Speaker 2: five and once I left he wanted again as a
Speaker 2: senior in ninety six. Played college football and basketball at BCU.
Speaker 2: That would be Bethune Cookman University, Hell Wildcats, played in
Speaker 2: the CFL for the Toronto Argonauts, played in the played
Speaker 2: arena football for the Toronto phantom And he's also Mainland
Speaker 2: High School's own Joe Giddings. What's up, Joe? How you
Speaker 2: doing everything? Well? You know, Steve Harvey gives his introductions,
Speaker 2: but you know, I try to do my best.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, and my next guest, all right,
Speaker 2: what did we start? Okay? Here my next guest. Grammy
Speaker 2: Award winner in twenty eighteen for Best Rap Album for
Speaker 2: Cardi B's Invasion of Privacy. Hold On six time Grammy
Speaker 2: nominated producer hold On fifteen Billboard number one awards, three
Speaker 2: billion streams, seventeen million records soul. He has worked with
Speaker 2: artists like you Know Lil Wayne on the song John a. Marion,
Speaker 2: Let's talk Beyonce, bout Allen, Chris Brown, Bryson Tiller, Eric Belager,
Speaker 2: Trey Songs, Doja, Cat, Cardi B and Mex Stallion on
Speaker 2: wh I know you guys listen to that? You know
Speaker 2: it plays everywhere? Yes that here's the guy who did
Speaker 2: that right here, Ao himself, just to name a few people.
Speaker 2: His first placement, it was in two thousand and nine
Speaker 2: working with Soldier Boy. If you guys think back Soldier
Speaker 2: Boy in two thousand and nine. Yeah, you know the rest.
Speaker 2: His first Grammy nomination two years later, in twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: he collabed with The Orlando Magic to refresh their theme song,
Speaker 2: which is so fire and if you haven't listened to it,
Speaker 2: go to their go to their page and check it out.
Speaker 2: This is who did it right here. Shout out to
Speaker 2: Ao Lake Brentley's own Austin Owens aka a Yo the producer.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys. Yeah man, thank you guys for showing up. Man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate this. I feel like we're gonna have a
Speaker 2: good time. So we're gonna get get started, to get moving.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with Joe first, and Joe, I think
Speaker 2: back to you know our years obviously growing up and
Speaker 2: Ao obviously you could chime in. I know you've heard
Speaker 2: these stories. But I think back to that and I
Speaker 2: think about losing in the state playoffs in ninety four,
Speaker 2: which was my junior year. What do you briefly, what
Speaker 2: do you remember about that?
Speaker 4: First thing? I remember that we all went ball, couldn't hear?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kept it that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all went could I hair? Like we could
Speaker 4: I hair? That's the first thing. But I know another
Speaker 4: thing that I remember is that pain. Man, It was
Speaker 4: pain to lose, even though you know it was it
Speaker 4: was a stage for us, the big stage for us
Speaker 4: from coming from a little from all time being on
Speaker 4: that stage, but that was that was a hurt feeling.
Speaker 2: And do you happen to remember in the locker room afterwards,
Speaker 2: remember what I said, we'll be back. Yeah, So we
Speaker 2: were sitting in there and everybody, I mean, we're all
Speaker 2: mad and pissed off, and you know, blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: crying the whole nine. And I just I looked around
Speaker 2: the locker room. I like, man, sad, Now we'll be back.
Speaker 2: And in nineteen ninety five we were able to come back.
Speaker 2: And obviously fulfill our dream h if. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: tough enough to get the joke and speak on that
Speaker 2: for sure, But it's tough enough to get there one time,
Speaker 2: but to do it back to back years. And that
Speaker 2: was a goal of mine, particularly my senior year. I
Speaker 2: didn't want to go out when I felt like we
Speaker 2: were good enough the year before. But I think we
Speaker 2: learned a valuable lesson on sticking to sticking to the script.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying we played out of our character, but
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we went ball. The whole team
Speaker 2: went ball. I mean, everybody made a sacrifice for the
Speaker 2: good of the team though. So it was we were together.
Speaker 2: It's just it just didn't work out. And then the
Speaker 2: next year we got there. I vowed, you know, to
Speaker 2: I was going to do my part, and it was
Speaker 2: a team collabed effort. I told you go ahead.
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know that. There's something. My
Speaker 4: sophomore year, your junior year, the year that we lost
Speaker 4: you was ash damn the twenty seven points a game,
Speaker 4: points a game, man, And then you was like, we
Speaker 4: told he was gonna be back. The next year, you
Speaker 4: you average.
Speaker 2: Less, average less points. Yeah, that's points more rebounds and assists.
Speaker 4: More rebounds asision, we have aged more and then we
Speaker 4: want a championship. You made a sacrifice for us. It
Speaker 4: was like, hey, I'm I'm gonna do this right here.
Speaker 4: I'm a rebob and more you got more assistant. Then
Speaker 4: we took our game to another level, and hey, we
Speaker 4: want a championship.
Speaker 2: And he you played basketball too for a brief second, right,
Speaker 2: a very broch you don't want to talk about.
Speaker 5: Literally a brief second.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, okay, Well, well Joe, what was uh
Speaker 2: what's a memorable moment for you in your high school career?
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, I'll tell you this. Uh your senior year.
Speaker 4: My junior year, we played against Launch Park. Ah, god,
Speaker 4: I had twenty eight points and twelve. I had twenty
Speaker 4: eight twelve that game. I had a fast, great dunk.
Speaker 2: Yeah I remember that.
Speaker 4: And besides that, and then Ocean Center when I.
Speaker 2: Have dunk and our right against our rivals.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, the people there, you know those about two
Speaker 4: of my moments.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna I'm going to ask you this because
Speaker 2: I know your your memory is pretty good. This kind
Speaker 2: of ties into this guy over here. What do you
Speaker 2: remember about our game against l Branley, God.
Speaker 4: To which one, Like that's that gave we have like seventeen.
Speaker 2: The birthday the birthday, yeah, that was the birthday one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like twenty seven, seventeen, seventeen or seventeen. About seventeen blocks.
Speaker 2: Was well sins like, yeah.
Speaker 4: I know, yeah, I seventeen blocked. You just sometimes use
Speaker 4: his blocking shots even with you know.
Speaker 2: They go, you know, going, yeah, that's what coach. You
Speaker 2: got mad at me?
Speaker 4: You went crazy back, man, I was crazy.
Speaker 2: My bad? You know, yeah, you you weren't there, so
Speaker 2: you know, you know, I'm sure you heard about. We're
Speaker 2: gonna keep it moving up. Hey Joe, you know, I
Speaker 2: know you've coached for for how how many years now? Where?
Speaker 4: Twenty years?
Speaker 2: Twenty years? So can you name some of the talented
Speaker 2: players that you've coached against? Uh that is that are
Speaker 2: recognizable names male or female? Because for those who don't know,
Speaker 2: he also coached women the women's team as well back
Speaker 2: in the day. Can you name a few that you've
Speaker 2: coached against that you were like, he has some.
Speaker 4: The most recent one was sinceketball from Orlando he played.
Speaker 4: He's at Utah right now.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: Then he gave us like thirty five forty and our
Speaker 4: gym he was that's the most recent one.
Speaker 2: Eat or what's up? You didn't pay against the big
Speaker 2: fella from he was in the final four? Oh no,
Speaker 2: he's a im.
Speaker 4: Didn't play him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't pay him that year?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So sincekeball is the most one I like I said,
Speaker 4: I have, I have few guys that go play, but
Speaker 4: not I make no noise yet, but become.
Speaker 2: Paul, thank you?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And lastly, I want to say you've done a great
Speaker 2: job of developing players over the years, not just to
Speaker 2: be the best version of themselves basketball wise, but also
Speaker 2: off the court. You know, I think I know the
Speaker 2: answer to this, but where did that come from? What
Speaker 2: did you? Where did you develop that passion to help
Speaker 2: these young men become student athletes not just athletes?
Speaker 4: Well think about it. You know our parents, our parents
Speaker 4: education first, you know, everything else to take care of self.
Speaker 4: So to me, if I can build a better young
Speaker 4: man basketball the ball in South Bounson at one time,
Speaker 4: so what's next? So if I can leave guys to
Speaker 4: be better husbands, better fathers, better role model flock you
Speaker 4: know wrote my community. I done my job. The wins,
Speaker 4: the wins come, the losses come, but there's nothing like
Speaker 4: you know, having that that young man go out of
Speaker 4: the community and then call me twenty years later, Hey, coach,
Speaker 4: I remember DTLT do a little things. Shout out yes,
Speaker 4: talk about talk about stuff like that that they have learned.
Speaker 4: So everything that we was was taught as a as
Speaker 4: a player minded up doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: Shout out to coach. Bring our high school coach. He
Speaker 2: kind of taught us that and kind of got us
Speaker 2: in that same mode. And this kind of ties into you,
Speaker 2: al because you're kind of the same thing in your profession.
Speaker 2: As far as giving opportunity. I know you've uh spoke,
Speaker 2: you spoke, you spoke at symposiums and and different groups.
Speaker 2: Uh full sale. I don't know if it was you
Speaker 2: just speak or did you teach a class, But nevertheless,
Speaker 2: the point that you were kind of dropping gyms and
Speaker 2: giving knowledge to young up and coming producers and artists
Speaker 2: on how go about their business? Where did that come
Speaker 2: from for you?
Speaker 5: I'm I mean, first and foremost, like you said, parents,
Speaker 5: but I think secondly surrounding myself with men like y'all.
Speaker 5: Like I learned a lot from you. You know, music
Speaker 5: is what I do not who I am, and I
Speaker 5: think that's sort of how you look at basketball is
Speaker 5: what you did very well. But I think the man
Speaker 5: that you are off the floor was much more and
Speaker 5: just the businessman. I remember one time specifically, you were like, Hey,
Speaker 5: do you know how to run motorcycles? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, we're going, you know, ten to fifteen minutes away,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, where we're going?
Speaker 2: There were taking that hour?
Speaker 5: We going to my restaurant, you know, And I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: just planting those seeds. Man really taught me to think
Speaker 5: a different way. And for me, you know, I think
Speaker 5: it's selfish when you're able to receive wisdom like that
Speaker 5: and keep it to yourself. So I always try to
Speaker 5: just pay it forward and share it and hopefully the
Speaker 5: people we share it with go and do the same thing.
Speaker 2: Right. And the cool thing about AO is that we
Speaker 2: met obviously through a mutual friend many many many years ago.
Speaker 2: It's been a very long time through music. Shout out
Speaker 2: to Rod, shout out to KP also or other buddies,
Speaker 2: a lot of people as far as involved in music,
Speaker 2: and we all got linked together and it's kind of
Speaker 2: like it was a natural thing, and I know at
Speaker 2: that time you were going through something, some issues in
Speaker 2: the business. Obviously, everyone who's in the music business, as
Speaker 2: you know, goes through something. And it was funny. I
Speaker 2: remember us sitting pretty much right over here, and the
Speaker 2: one thing I said to you, you know, like, well
Speaker 2: let's let's talk about let's talk through it. And like
Speaker 2: I said, we barely knew each other like that, But
Speaker 2: you know, I value the opinions of everyone else who
Speaker 2: brought you in. They felt like you were apart. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just work, you know, it was kind of a
Speaker 2: friendship along with work. And I remember you coming in
Speaker 2: and I was just like, man and just trying to
Speaker 2: give you, like real advice as a friend more so
Speaker 2: than anything else, trying to oh if you got the
Speaker 2: old man, I helped him get to it. It wasn't it
Speaker 2: was zero, nothing about that. It was more so just
Speaker 2: lending helping him, you know what I'm saying. So that's
Speaker 2: just kind of who I've always been. But you know,
Speaker 2: I just remember that situation and just kind of just
Speaker 2: trying to shoot it to your for real.
Speaker 5: It's so crazy. I tell the story often. You said,
Speaker 5: and you helped me in it. You said, I can
Speaker 5: help you, but I'm not. And I'm like, man, like,
Speaker 5: what does that even me?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: Like, but I knew just out of the respect that
Speaker 5: I had for you that it was real purpose to it.
Speaker 5: And you were like, look, you know you can learn
Speaker 5: now with one hundred thousand, or you can learn down
Speaker 5: the road with you know, a million, ten million, and
Speaker 5: that alone, man like man right there right there. So yeah, thank.
Speaker 2: You nah for sure for you man going through the business.
Speaker 2: And we've enjoyed your music obviously on this side outside
Speaker 2: of what the world has has has seen and and
Speaker 2: for even those who don't know much about you, but
Speaker 2: what what has been most gratifying for you in the business?
Speaker 2: I mean you, like I said, like for those once
Speaker 2: again he he I remember that you you texting the
Speaker 2: group chat about why and how fast it became what
Speaker 2: it's become, like literally overnight.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, and I'm gonna ask you this before we even
Speaker 2: go there. I know a lot of artists say they
Speaker 2: don't like They say, oh, man, I did this record
Speaker 2: and I didn't even like it, but everybody else said
Speaker 2: put it out anyway? Is that a Is that a
Speaker 2: beat that you created that you liked it? Like this
Speaker 2: can be something or was it one of I was like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 2: it's cool.
Speaker 5: But man, man, it's so crazy. And I don't know
Speaker 5: if I told the story or not, but I made
Speaker 5: a lot at home on my couch, just one of
Speaker 5: those things like you know, just keep the repetition, just
Speaker 5: keep working. And I didn't think it would be what
Speaker 5: it was, but you know, thankfully, thankfully it is, you know.
Speaker 5: But I think far as like gratification, man, I'm just
Speaker 5: I'm thankful to do what I love and really help
Speaker 5: the people that I love most, and just the memories
Speaker 5: that I've been able to create, you know, you know
Speaker 5: for my family and now for my kids, Like that's
Speaker 5: just been so amazing. And I think the other side,
Speaker 5: which is sort of why we all bonded over music,
Speaker 5: is just the therapeutic side of it, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like we sort of just we closed that
Speaker 5: door right there, and you know, we we have fun
Speaker 5: and you know, get these emotions and put it down
Speaker 5: on paper and get it out, and man, it's just
Speaker 5: been such a bonding and experience and you know, just
Speaker 5: being able to create that over and over, like it's
Speaker 5: a blessing.
Speaker 2: And for you think about this. Did did things seem
Speaker 2: bleak like the door was closing once? You know your
Speaker 2: issue early with the music, you know, with that that
Speaker 2: one record. I don't know if you choose to talk
Speaker 2: about it now, is it a thing in the past.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I leave that up to you. But
Speaker 2: did things look bleak like? Man? I don't know if
Speaker 2: things will look up from there. Obviously you get that
Speaker 2: opportunity to work with Beyonce and do record them, and
Speaker 2: obviously things pop off with Chris Brown and that laundry
Speaker 2: list of people, But how was that feeling at that time?
Speaker 5: So you got to think at that time, Remember, I
Speaker 5: was Grammy nominated in the nineteen ninety two Honda and
Speaker 5: I probably had, you know, one hundred dollars in my
Speaker 5: bank account, and one thing that stuck out. Everybody, each
Speaker 5: and every one of you treated me as if it
Speaker 5: was the exact opposite. You know, it was nothing but love,
Speaker 5: And you know, I knew that I would figure it
Speaker 5: out in the process, and man, I don't know, it's
Speaker 5: so surreal, but it's just one of them things that
Speaker 5: I'm glad it happened. And if I could do it
Speaker 5: over again, I would go through it again just just
Speaker 5: because of the lessons that happened. But I think what
Speaker 5: it really made me do is.
Speaker 2: Bro, you were stressed though, Oh, like I remember you're
Speaker 2: taking calls in between the sessions, you and Ron, and yeah,
Speaker 2: you were stressed. But like I say, I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess I guess, like what you're saying makes sense though,
Speaker 2: because it's like, yeah, you were stressed, you were going
Speaker 2: through it, but it's always comforting and joke. I know
Speaker 2: you've been through some things that We've had plenty of
Speaker 2: conversations about tough times, and I think when you're going
Speaker 2: through it, you go through it. It sucks, but at
Speaker 2: the same time, you can look at your show, older
Speaker 2: your shoulder and know that you got support. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I guess what you're saying kind
Speaker 2: of kind of makes sense because it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: go through it again because I know the support that
Speaker 2: I had and I knew that I was never alone.
Speaker 2: It just I just need to take that opportunity to
Speaker 2: speak out to get it out sometimes probably you know,
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. And I get so, I hear.
Speaker 5: You, I hear for sure.
Speaker 2: Well then they man, we've got to lower everybody. So
Speaker 2: let's get into some basketball, man like, I know you guys. Well,
Speaker 2: first of all, Ao, I know you're a Magic fan,
Speaker 2: and what were your thoughts about the Magic And I
Speaker 2: say that because I remember leading into the playoffs or
Speaker 2: or well, yeah, leading to the playoffs, being local, listening
Speaker 2: to some of the fans, how nervous they were, And
Speaker 2: the one thing I said about that Magic team, I said,
Speaker 2: regardless of how this turns out, this is invaluable experience
Speaker 2: for this team for next year, which makes them dangerous
Speaker 2: because now they know what to expect. Now they know
Speaker 2: what the playoffs look like. Now they it's not unfamiliar territory,
Speaker 2: particularly for your star players who are going through it.
Speaker 2: They've seen a little bit. So the nerves, You're always
Speaker 2: gonna have nerves, obviously, And let me stop right there
Speaker 2: real quick, Joe. For you, as a coach, do you
Speaker 2: still get or have nerves before you go out to
Speaker 2: coach a game? Yes?
Speaker 4: I think when I stopped having nerves, I think, well
Speaker 4: that's one I'm gonna stop coaching.
Speaker 2: And same thing for you. Go ahead, and the same
Speaker 2: thing for you. Do you still have nerves maybe working
Speaker 2: with an artist or right before that that record's about
Speaker 2: to drop. Do you still have that? Man? I hope
Speaker 2: they like it, or you just like, hey, man, I
Speaker 2: know I did some good stuff and not everybody's gonna
Speaker 2: like it. How do you still have those nerves?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Thousands? All right? Yeah, so and I say that.
Speaker 2: So I just think next year for the Magic, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be extremely helpful that not only did they just
Speaker 2: go through a series, but they went through a game seven.
Speaker 2: So more than anything, they got to go through a
Speaker 2: game seven, which is the hardest game to go through
Speaker 2: because closing out a team, whether you're up or well,
Speaker 2: whether I mean officer it's tied, but whether you're up
Speaker 2: and you allowed it to come back or whether you
Speaker 2: fought back in closing out a series is one of
Speaker 2: the hardest things to do. I don't care if it's
Speaker 2: the first round or the finals. It's one of the
Speaker 2: hardest things to do. So how'd you feel about your Magic?
Speaker 2: I know you were at a couple of playoff games.
Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, I think it's one of those things now,
Speaker 5: like you said, super excited to see next season. It's
Speaker 5: like the dogs, once they taste blood, you know it's
Speaker 5: time to eat. So but I just think this this
Speaker 5: season and the other song has you know, helped create
Speaker 5: this culture, uh, you know with the team and the players.
Speaker 2: How does that make you feel? Man? It's like, I
Speaker 2: know you when you did it, you're like, oh, I
Speaker 2: think I got one, And it's always cool to think
Speaker 2: that you got one, and you know it's gonna pop off.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's next level, right right. It's I read
Speaker 2: the comments that I sent you a couple of text
Speaker 2: mess like, yo, you should be proud.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely am proud. It's one of those things,
Speaker 5: like you said, you never know just how people are
Speaker 5: gonna accept it. So those nerves were there and this
Speaker 5: one that's just far beyond expectation and I think, you know,
Speaker 5: just being a part of that, it just helps, you know,
Speaker 5: bring us together. Man. I think that's what it's all about,
Speaker 5: you know. It's it's something for players to connect with
Speaker 5: fans and fans to connect with players. And even though
Speaker 5: it was you know, like the commons say, they're like,
Speaker 5: I'm a New York Knicks fan, but play the song,
Speaker 5: you know, it's a something special.
Speaker 2: And they were winning and you got to hear it
Speaker 2: three times, like it's like it was I'm sure some magic.
Speaker 2: Fans felt maybe they get swept, maybe they win one.
Speaker 2: Now they pushed it to the break where they actually
Speaker 2: had a chance in Game seven, fell short. But it's okay, man,
Speaker 2: like this is this is signs of looking up. I'll
Speaker 2: say that there were two Game sevens just passed and
Speaker 2: they were fantastic. They lived up to the billing. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, I thought it kept people on the edge
Speaker 2: of the seats. Well, I'll start with the Knicks Pacers.
Speaker 2: It ended up a blowout, but at the same time, man,
Speaker 2: it was competitive from start to finish. The Knicks the Knicks, man, regardless.
Speaker 2: It's funny you hear you hear fans. You know, that's
Speaker 2: what we do. We hear fans talk about all we
Speaker 2: didn't have all our guys and all that stuff. But
Speaker 2: they still had a legitimate shot in winning. Obviously it
Speaker 2: was a blowout, but they still had a legitimate shot
Speaker 2: with what they had And that says a lot about
Speaker 2: the character and the culture in New York. And on
Speaker 2: the other side, I think what Rick Carlile has done.
Speaker 2: I played for Rick Carlile in Dallas, you guys remember that,
Speaker 2: And to see him now buy into the new age,
Speaker 2: the new style, the new culture, the new way of
Speaker 2: coaching and everything. Man, it says a lot about him
Speaker 2: as a coach and having a point guard like Tyrus
Speaker 2: Halliburton was fantastic. And my thing was, like at home
Speaker 2: he was killing, he was putting up big numbers, uber aggressive,
Speaker 2: and on the road in New York he just wasn't aggressive.
Speaker 2: And it frustrated me because obviously it's a different vibe.
Speaker 2: You gotta find your own and find and create your
Speaker 2: own energy on the road all of these things. But
Speaker 2: he was a different monster. Game seven, this dude was aggressive,
Speaker 2: like aggressive. Twenty six point six assists, ten for seventeen
Speaker 2: from the field six or twelve from three point line night,
Speaker 2: that was Those numbers are what he did at home,
Speaker 2: and he brought that same energy on the road. What
Speaker 2: say you guys, what did you see? What were your
Speaker 2: thoughts about got Game seven? Hey, yo, you go ahead
Speaker 2: be hell goo, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Look at it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: One thing I pride you on is, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: just staying healthy is so important, man, taking care.
Speaker 2: Of that body and uh, you know, and those guys
Speaker 2: for the you know, next played a lot of minutes,
Speaker 2: I mean, but they had to. They were down bodies.
Speaker 2: And I'll say this real quick. And Joe, you're a coach,
Speaker 2: and you guys heard me just say this not too
Speaker 2: long ago. The thing that bothers me about you, coaches,
Speaker 2: Joe you, I said, just this, the thing that bothered
Speaker 2: me about you coaches, man, And I hope as a coach,
Speaker 2: I don't do this. But when you're up and you
Speaker 2: have blowout wins and stuff, you got to give you
Speaker 2: a bench a chance to play because they need to
Speaker 2: gain that invaluable experience for situations like what the Knicks
Speaker 2: had gone through. Meaning Randall goes down, Robinson goes down,
Speaker 2: Og goes down, then all of a sudden, Jalen Brunson
Speaker 2: goes down and you look down that bench and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh man, you don't have the confidence to play that guy.
Speaker 2: You know for whatever reason, or you feel like he
Speaker 2: doesn't mess or feel comfortable confident, Well, you haven't given
Speaker 2: him that opportunity in situations. Yeah, sample sizes, but more
Speaker 2: sample sizes he gets, the more comfortable he is. Also,
Speaker 2: so you know, I just wanted this to add that
Speaker 2: to what he was saying. For sure, for sure, go ahead, Joe.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 4: I think that the Knicks run out of gas. I
Speaker 4: think those guys of the minutes they play, I think
Speaker 4: Burke came off the bitch and twenty six points.
Speaker 2: He who hadn't played right right, So.
Speaker 4: Imagine if he hadn't played during the season, like you
Speaker 4: said earlier in the series, No, he could have been
Speaker 4: give him a spark where those guys could have got
Speaker 4: some breathing hen there. Yeah, to me, I think game
Speaker 4: game six in game seven, I'm like, I think tournament
Speaker 4: was big for those guys, specially yeah six for the
Speaker 4: Pacers coming out big man shooting threes, and he kept
Speaker 4: him in the game in game six.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna throw another name at you, Pascal Siakam.
Speaker 2: I thought Game six in Game seven were well showed
Speaker 2: the value uh he had in that trade right there.
Speaker 2: He didn't play great early in the series, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: I don't have his numbers, but Game six look a
Speaker 2: lot more aggressive, uh, more confident at the free throw line.
Speaker 2: And then game seven he was comfortable because he'd been
Speaker 2: there before. He has a championship, so he knew how
Speaker 2: to lead and just go out there and kind of
Speaker 2: set the tone and break the ice. I thought he
Speaker 2: was another one. And then that other that other dog, TJ. McConnell. Yes,
Speaker 2: here's another guy who's been there, you know. And as
Speaker 2: a coach, every every coach loves, wants and needs a
Speaker 2: t J. McConnell. Would you agree.
Speaker 4: I agree every team need a dog with a team,
Speaker 4: and that person's gonna go out there and do little
Speaker 4: things that other people want to do and be aggressive
Speaker 4: with it. So I think he was big.
Speaker 2: And also, I'm gonna say de Vincenzo, I thought he
Speaker 2: was fantastic. I didn't see him to be this prolific
Speaker 2: of a score. And it's not disrespect I just didn't
Speaker 2: see it. I mean, obviously he was playing within his
Speaker 2: role he played in Golden State. I think he learned
Speaker 2: how to be a great body mover meaning just moving
Speaker 2: off the ball, and obviously a great catching shoot or
Speaker 2: catching off the move. He learned a lot playing with
Speaker 2: the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 4: So yeah, man, I could you imagine playing NBA with
Speaker 4: your college teammates like no, playing.
Speaker 2: With Antoine and Jeff McGinnis, and yeah, those guys.
Speaker 4: Man Chico, like the Knicks, Man, they had guys and
Speaker 4: all three guys that wanted to do no that played together.
Speaker 4: So they played well together. They played well together. That
Speaker 4: that was a big reason why they was able to
Speaker 4: accomplish a lot of stuff and fight through some stuff
Speaker 4: because they've been to the practice, they've been playing together
Speaker 4: for a long time. And most of those guys I
Speaker 4: think went to college for four years. M hmmm, so
Speaker 4: they're for a little bit more mature.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they they they they hurt the hurt bitar heels.
Speaker 2: We had the series one and uh yeah, they got us.
Speaker 2: They got us. But we ain't gonn talk about that.
Speaker 2: We're talking about NBA basketball and the other game seven
Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets versus the Minnesota Timberwolves. That was wow. I
Speaker 2: mean the build up, it's like you went from a
Speaker 2: great game. Oh man, it was unfortunate. Obviously we didn't
Speaker 2: mention Jalen Brunson obviously breaking his hand on on the
Speaker 2: on the strip down and I thought he was unbelievable
Speaker 2: all all series, I mean all serious shoot, all playoffs,
Speaker 2: and you know, it was just unfortunate. So I want
Speaker 2: to give him his love and shout out. I played
Speaker 2: with his dad Rick in Toronto briefly, so man, I
Speaker 2: was obviously rooted for him to continue to play well.
Speaker 2: But it was that that great series, great Game seven
Speaker 2: which led to even better Game seven with the Nuggets
Speaker 2: and Minnesota? Uh, what are your thoughts? First on what
Speaker 2: you saw and then I'll get into what I my thoughts.
Speaker 5: Man, I think, Uh, again, the fatigue played its role.
Speaker 5: I've seen something where they were talking about you know,
Speaker 5: obviously they had a very long season last year, and
Speaker 5: you know that down time that they usually would have had.
Speaker 4: Uh, they did it and then usually series many Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then I didn't like that trying to I didn't
Speaker 4: like that. What what were your thoughts on trying to
Speaker 4: just secure that that second place spot and not being
Speaker 4: able to wrest their guys as well?
Speaker 2: You know, And well, let me jump in real fast though,
Speaker 2: because I gotta say this. I didn't I didn't like
Speaker 2: how that, how that came off because I look at
Speaker 2: the Bulls who went three p I look at all
Speaker 2: former champions prior to I mean they they all had
Speaker 2: a long season flowing into the next year and get
Speaker 2: it done. Look at Golden State, look at Lebron and
Speaker 2: his teams. Who who were who went five years in
Speaker 2: a row? But I mean at least to the conference finals.
Speaker 2: So I just I understand what he I hear what
Speaker 2: he's saying, but at the same time, I just I'm
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, the reason you you those minutes is
Speaker 2: because you wanted to win and get the best possible seed.
Speaker 2: He didn't feel comfortable going back to our last conversation
Speaker 2: about using other guys to savor some of those minutes.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, And and and he lost
Speaker 2: Bruce Brown, he lost Jeff Green. Shut up to the uncle, Jeff.
Speaker 2: Those guys were huge off the bench for him. Where
Speaker 2: he can he can buy some minutes, and he didn't
Speaker 2: feel comfortable. In my opinion, I'm on the outside looking in,
Speaker 2: but I just felt like he didn't feel comfortable. You
Speaker 2: used DeAndre Jordan in a few more minutes. You can
Speaker 2: kind of sit Joker down a little more to have
Speaker 2: him fresh forward. But it's kind of a sacrifice you
Speaker 2: have to make to get what you want to get.
Speaker 2: They were trying to get the number one seed, period,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So that's that's kind of
Speaker 2: what comes with it. So that's that's the only thing.
Speaker 2: And Mike Malone is fantastic. He's a great coach. You know.
Speaker 2: I just I just I didn't agree with them on
Speaker 2: that that's just what it is. Go ahead, Joe to me.
Speaker 4: With Gordon Porter Junior in kse CP he combined for
Speaker 4: sixteen points at home in game seven. There's no way
Speaker 4: your other three starters who have been playing well here
Speaker 4: and they're combined for sixteen points in the game seven
Speaker 4: and the close out game and at home to me,
Speaker 4: Minnesota was the aggressive in the second half. They made
Speaker 4: adjustments by putting Red in the game. Who's a knockdown
Speaker 4: shoots Now now Joker, Joker had to go out and guard.
Speaker 4: He had to go out and defend those guys who
Speaker 4: can shoot with kat Reid, and now he got stretched
Speaker 4: forward and Joker played forty seven minutes. He played forty
Speaker 4: seven minutes in that game. Late in the game when
Speaker 4: when the game was kind of closed, he had fatigued
Speaker 4: where he couldn't get rebounds and couldn't get stuff out
Speaker 4: there late.
Speaker 2: I think and see, I'll say this as as a coach,
Speaker 2: you got to decide, and it's a it's a decision
Speaker 2: you have to make on the spot. So will he
Speaker 2: look at it like maybe I should have set him
Speaker 2: down when they were up twenty at some point in
Speaker 2: the game. Maybe he should he could have uh step
Speaker 2: with his normal rotation or minute rotation. At that point
Speaker 2: you have a lead. Obviously, when you're losing your lead
Speaker 2: a little bit, you could throw him back in the
Speaker 2: game instead of just sitting them down. I mean, just
Speaker 2: leave him on the court. I guess I'll say this.
Speaker 2: There's another thing about there's a big thing about what
Speaker 2: Chuck said on T and T because I was on
Speaker 2: that night about sitting Gobart, and it's a couple of
Speaker 2: guys has come out and said that they thought so.
Speaker 2: And I kind of understood what they were saying because
Speaker 2: they were trying they needed to play faster to get
Speaker 2: back in the game, and like you said, Joe, make
Speaker 2: Yo Kic guard and they wanted to kind of attack.
Speaker 2: I think Kat was doing a very good job of
Speaker 2: guarding him until he got fouled. The one thing that
Speaker 2: bothers me with Rudy, and I said it on air
Speaker 2: and I'll say it again, he was playing too straight up.
Speaker 2: So if you're seven whatever you are, and you got
Speaker 2: a bigger guy like that, you can't guard him straight
Speaker 2: up like that because when he hit you, you're gonna
Speaker 2: fall all over the place. He just needed a better base,
Speaker 2: a lower base and a little more and active hands
Speaker 2: to kind of get him thinking a little bit, show
Speaker 2: him different looks and stuff like that, which he didn't do.
Speaker 2: I just felt like that's when Joker was able to
Speaker 2: take advantage of him. And you see when Kat was
Speaker 2: playing them, he was kind of giving them different looks
Speaker 2: and just playing them. Sometime he pushed them, sometime he
Speaker 2: tried to out quit them, just to get him thinking
Speaker 2: a little bit, and that's what wore him down. So
Speaker 2: that's why I understood what Chuck was saying. And I
Speaker 2: didn't like the reporter that asked Gobert, and I'm assuming
Speaker 2: I'm gonna assume that he didn't ask, he didn't tell
Speaker 2: him or say give him the whole backstore in context
Speaker 2: to why he said that. He just I think the
Speaker 2: question was, what are your thoughts on why Chuck Charles
Speaker 2: Barkley wanting you off the floor? Blah blah blah. Well,
Speaker 2: the reason they were saying they needed play faster. The
Speaker 2: coach said at halftime they needed to play faster, So
Speaker 2: you know, I just it was just it's just kind
Speaker 2: of funny how how things work in the edit that
Speaker 2: comes out into the world all the time. But I
Speaker 2: just felt like when you talk about Heo, you mentioned
Speaker 2: this earlier about a team sticking together, having each other's back.
Speaker 2: That's what we saw from Minnesota as far as their
Speaker 2: superstar was being double teams and he every time he
Speaker 2: was in a situation, they'd wait, wait, wait, go double,
Speaker 2: make him get off the ball. So shout out to
Speaker 2: it for having the confidence and trust and belief in
Speaker 2: his guys, because if he didn't believe him and took
Speaker 2: bad shots and forced the issue turnovers, everybody kind of
Speaker 2: against the poutain mopen and kind of like, man, what's
Speaker 2: wrong with buddy? You know, you know type thing. So
Speaker 2: I just I want I gotta give him as propsy
Speaker 2: And I asked him that question, like he had confidence
Speaker 2: in his guys. You could tell that they're very tight
Speaker 2: knit group. And having Mike Conley is huge because he
Speaker 2: had a guy where when he got doubled, now you
Speaker 2: have a point guard in a four on three situation
Speaker 2: to make to make decisions or score himself. When Mike
Speaker 2: was out, you saw they double and they struggled. So
Speaker 2: I just I just like how that team, how close
Speaker 2: knit they are, And then Aunt saying, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: step it up. They've got me, They've gotten me to
Speaker 2: this point. Now I'm gonna do what I need to
Speaker 2: do for them. And in the fourth quarter his defense
Speaker 2: stepped up. He got the big steel and then he
Speaker 2: hit the big three and obviously shout out to nas
Speaker 2: Reed like you guys said, no, it was fantastic. Kat
Speaker 2: goes with five fouls, so now you gotta leave Gobert
Speaker 2: in and nas Reed takes over like it was just
Speaker 2: a total true team effort something like you mentioned.
Speaker 5: I have a question for y'all. Do you think in
Speaker 5: that situation being the Nuggets, is it easy to get
Speaker 5: comfortable to have time in that locker room?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely, because you think a younger team, a younger
Speaker 2: team that doesn't have the same experience that you have,
Speaker 2: they they're gonna the first five minutes, you know they're
Speaker 2: gonna try to make a run to get back in it.
Speaker 2: But Denver made the first run. They go up from
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty, so now we're kind of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: they ready to lay down, and that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2: And yes, I agree they were for Tegue Joker had
Speaker 2: thirty four nineteen and seven, and you can see on
Speaker 2: his three point shot he ended up making. If I'm
Speaker 2: not mistaken, let me see he made he made two
Speaker 2: of them, but at one point he was zero for seven,
Speaker 2: one for nine, ended up two for ten or for
Speaker 2: one for eight and then two to ten. How many
Speaker 2: he shot ten?
Speaker 4: Three? She was two for ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two for ten. So that's what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: it's just and the other thing, like you guys said
Speaker 2: they have five bench points, yes, five.
Speaker 4: Yes, sixteenth sixteen total.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and only two guys in double figures. That's
Speaker 2: not gonna get it done. So I do think they
Speaker 2: ran out of gas and you just play sometimes, Like
Speaker 2: it's easy to say they don't. I mean, I just
Speaker 2: said it, but it's easy to be a team that
Speaker 2: doesn't have the experience. But sometimes you go out there
Speaker 2: and just play hard. And if I don't know better,
Speaker 2: that's sometimes okay too. Like they don't know better, like
Speaker 2: they don't understand maybe they didn't even realize how big
Speaker 2: the moment is, and just just play the games, play
Speaker 2: hard sometimes that and that's what we saw, Like they
Speaker 2: got punched in the mouth, stagger, stagger, But we could
Speaker 2: still play hard. We're still the number one defensive team
Speaker 2: in the NBA. We could do that. We could still
Speaker 2: give the effort and defense gave them life offensively.
Speaker 4: I got a question for you NBA today, it's a
Speaker 4: lot of challenge calls, challenge files.
Speaker 2: Quick to do one of these.
Speaker 5: Anywhere.
Speaker 4: What's like when you played back, when you first begin
Speaker 4: to start playing. How do you think that would have
Speaker 4: affected the game then as it is now?
Speaker 2: That's hard to say. I mean, obviously, you always you're
Speaker 2: gonna I mean, you're gonna lean into the rules whenever
Speaker 2: you can't or how have you Whatever advantage you think
Speaker 2: you can get, you're gonna you're gonna try to take
Speaker 2: advantage of it. So it definitely will be utilized. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's just it's just tough sometimes because as a coach
Speaker 2: you have to obviously rely on your that that video
Speaker 2: guy and assistant coaches to make that quick decision like
Speaker 2: yes or no, And sometimes the player feels so adamant
Speaker 2: about yes man, challenge this, I know I did or
Speaker 2: did not do whatever it is, and sometimes it goes
Speaker 2: goes left and as a coach, you lose your time out.
Speaker 2: You don't have that challenge late in the game when
Speaker 2: you probably need it more than anything. So it's a
Speaker 2: it's a tough situation for but I know I think players, coaches,
Speaker 2: teams adapt to whatever the situations are and if that's
Speaker 2: the thing, they're gonna use it and it will get abused.
Speaker 2: That's just that's just how it goes.
Speaker 5: You made a comment early and you said, uh, and
Speaker 5: hopefully when I'm coaching. What did you mean by that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know why I said that.
Speaker 2: You said it, I'll just put it out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, And now that I think about it, I
Speaker 2: did say that. I guess. I guess I did it.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to. I didn't one percent didn't mean that.
Speaker 2: I have not been thinking about it. I think I
Speaker 2: think I think I was gonna say. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think I was gonna say. I think I was saying
Speaker 2: if I were coaching. Okay, that's what That's kind of
Speaker 2: just the things I would say. What I have no news,
Speaker 2: no news before we get into the Eastern Conference finals
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I want to ask you a question,
Speaker 2: in your opinion, what's one of the best deals in
Speaker 2: the NBA? Do we still do? I think Joker and
Speaker 2: and Murray or one of what are one of the
Speaker 2: best I also say Kyrie and Luca the way they
Speaker 2: are playing right now, yes, Am and Brown you, I
Speaker 2: mean they're still They're still up there. Maybe not the
Speaker 2: top two or three, I don't know, but there there
Speaker 2: they did. They definitely deserve to be mentioned. Cat and
Speaker 2: and and like right now. I mean, yeah, Jalen Brunson
Speaker 2: and Devincenzo maybe like yes, a man like what Devincenzo
Speaker 2: was doing, like they were getting it done. They were
Speaker 2: getting it done. So that's duo. That's that's I don't know,
Speaker 2: regardless of how it played out in Denver, but but
Speaker 2: out of a sixty nine points, sixty nine points, I
Speaker 2: don't mean to cut you off, nineteen rebounds and a
Speaker 2: bunch of assists, like they've been tough all year, they
Speaker 2: just didn't have any help go ahead.
Speaker 5: Out of the final four, who really has the true
Speaker 5: duos there?
Speaker 2: So the best due out of the final four? I'm
Speaker 2: mhm m is it?
Speaker 5: Is it a new game being played? In your opinion?
Speaker 2: The game is different now, it's different. It's different for
Speaker 2: a lot of reasons. And I think we we rely
Speaker 2: on trying to draw the file instead of getting the buckets. Now.
Speaker 2: I say we, meaning the players now. I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: there's more three point shots. It's funny how you shoot
Speaker 2: all the threes and then in the playoffs back in
Speaker 2: the day. Now you're trying to get into paint, utilize
Speaker 2: your post up more. Now you you're obviously trying to
Speaker 2: use the three point shot to your advantage. Spread the floor,
Speaker 2: open the floor up. So it's it is a different game.
Speaker 2: It's a faster game. You look at the the scoring
Speaker 2: numbers now as opposed to when I first got in
Speaker 2: the league, it's not even close. You didn't have that
Speaker 2: if not one or two teams scoring one hundred points,
Speaker 2: and they were probably on the West coast. He definitely
Speaker 2: went on the East coast and they definitely wasn't on
Speaker 2: my side. Uh So it is definitely a different game.
Speaker 2: But with the answer the question the best dual, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say it's Luca and Kyrie. I think m hm uh.
Speaker 2: And I got to give Kyrie some props the way
Speaker 2: he has matured and what he's done, how he's bought in,
Speaker 2: and I'm giving props to Luca for allowing Kyrie to
Speaker 2: be the the ultimate dynamic score that he is, as
Speaker 2: well allowing the other superstar in his team to flourish
Speaker 2: and do what they do to make the game easier
Speaker 2: for him, Like he doesn't have the four shots now,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I got a question. Boughton and Luca a lot different
Speaker 4: than Kyrie. Luca.
Speaker 2: I don't know they he didn't get he didn't get
Speaker 2: a chance to be. I mean, it's I think now
Speaker 2: we can say, man, that would have in something. Now
Speaker 2: I think Brunson. You could see the potential in Brunson
Speaker 2: that last year he was there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But it is Boston the too. That's a good question,
Speaker 4: is Boston too? Because you know Boston he.
Speaker 2: Was he was at that time. He was the two
Speaker 2: because Luca had the ball in his hands all the time.
Speaker 2: And I think Luca would have been dangerous if he
Speaker 2: allowed Brunson to be the point guard with his ability
Speaker 2: to pass and score. And now Luca catching the ball
Speaker 2: with a live dribble, Yes, he could the ball with
Speaker 2: a lot of dribble, so he could either catch it
Speaker 2: and go right to his post move call a pick
Speaker 2: and roll over or catching shoot. He didn't have to
Speaker 2: always have the ball go through a bunch of pick
Speaker 2: and rolls, set back up. Now, now get to his
Speaker 2: step back. He didn't have he didn't have to work
Speaker 2: that hard because of a guy like that. And I
Speaker 2: think he's kind of seeing the benefits of that now
Speaker 2: with Kyrie, he's seeing the benefits of that now having PJ.
Speaker 2: Washington guys who can spread the floor. He's also seen
Speaker 2: the benefits because he's having two live wires and I
Speaker 2: mean live threats and Lively and Gafford guys who are
Speaker 2: very active. Like So, now I come up to pick
Speaker 2: a row, I can just wait and just throw it
Speaker 2: up there because you got a decision, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So yeah, all right, So since we're getting
Speaker 2: into tough questions, I'm gonna ask you this out of okay,
Speaker 2: who would you start a franchise with right now? Anthony
Speaker 2: Edwards or Luca Dutchess.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go an, I'm gonna go and just he's
Speaker 3: twenty two, yeah, that and he's on he's ascending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look and Luca is still right there as well.
Speaker 2: I mean he's still ascending. It's just it's just what
Speaker 2: is what's your tea? Really? I think that's that to
Speaker 2: answer that question, what's your cup of tea. What do
Speaker 2: you what style do you like because they play different
Speaker 2: style of basketball they do.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's more of he's on the
Speaker 4: rise and played offense. Team he played both ends to mean,
Speaker 4: Luca has been playing pretty good defense.
Speaker 2: And he has he has bought in. Shout out to
Speaker 2: j Kibbs, former teammate. He is a man.
Speaker 4: He's been challenging. He's been he's been a set challenging
Speaker 4: to me. I think they possibly have a chance to
Speaker 4: come out to West.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is there a face of the franchise? Is there one
Speaker 2: guy right now who would be is the future face
Speaker 2: of the franchise or is there a few of them?
Speaker 5: In your opinions? A few?
Speaker 4: I think it's a few.
Speaker 2: Remember John Moran didn't play, Zion had a good year,
Speaker 2: didn't finish Wimby Yes, I mean s G A.
Speaker 1: H.
Speaker 2: I mean you still have I mean Jason Tatum is
Speaker 2: is on the custom of that next group as well.
Speaker 4: So you forgetting some guy you think the older guys
Speaker 4: that's you know, starting that is by the time for
Speaker 4: them let the younger guys take over.
Speaker 2: It just depends on on if they're ready or not.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you can give you can give keys
Speaker 2: to a fool. Yeah, and and and they'll they'll take
Speaker 2: over your franchise or they'll take over your car, But
Speaker 2: that don't mean they're gonna bring it back in one piece.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. So it's just I feel
Speaker 2: like you, I feel like giving the keys to a
Speaker 2: player has you have to value that. It has to
Speaker 2: be sacred. I mean, you would like to see your
Speaker 2: car come back in one piece, that that nice Maybach
Speaker 2: or Bentley or whatever it is that you're gonna let
Speaker 2: them drive. This is this is this is your everything.
Speaker 2: So I feel like we have to nurture those young
Speaker 2: guys in the manner that what we want them to
Speaker 2: be when you give them keys, because it's easy to
Speaker 2: give a draft pick the keys coming right in and
Speaker 2: you know, once they knowing. Just imagine if you're eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 2: all right, this is say even twenty one, you're making
Speaker 2: all these millions, and now you're the franchise player for
Speaker 2: the Orlando Magic AO or whoever. Like, imagine you at
Speaker 2: twenty one, yeah, Joe, imagine you at twenty one like
Speaker 2: that and you got the like just think about that.
Speaker 2: So I just think we have to kind of look
Speaker 2: at when I'm giving you these keys, I need to
Speaker 2: think can you handle the responsibility that comes with this
Speaker 2: being that franchise player. I think a lot of these
Speaker 2: guys who are getting that opportunity. I covered the Brooklyn
Speaker 2: Nets and Michael Bridges. We had a couple of a
Speaker 2: lot of conversations with him about the responsibility and now
Speaker 2: the difference because when you're a role player, you're the
Speaker 2: third guy, second guy whatever in Phoenix becoming the number
Speaker 2: one guy on the Scott Report when they start talking
Speaker 2: about what teams do. Guess what they talk about first, you, sir,
Speaker 2: And so you don't have time to really be in
Speaker 2: your feelings or you got to find a way and
Speaker 2: still got to be a team guy. You have a
Speaker 2: responsibility for yourself and other other players to get them involved,
Speaker 2: even if you're not the point guard in my opinion,
Speaker 2: because you can still be the vocal leader and you
Speaker 2: have to uplift guys as well as the as a
Speaker 2: go to guy. You know, so do you have to
Speaker 2: have a voice in the locker room and on the court.
Speaker 4: So back then, I think when when you were when
Speaker 4: you were the rookie, you had veterans that was able.
Speaker 2: To it was two young guys and ten ten to
Speaker 2: twelve fits. So yes, it was different.
Speaker 4: To help you. You know what I'm saying, help you guys,
Speaker 4: you lead, just like now. I told some about the
Speaker 4: day I said, eventures go to games. He would a suit.
Speaker 2: No, it's just different for the playoffs. Yeah, and when
Speaker 2: we sat on the bench it was required. I mean
Speaker 2: that was like I said, it's just a change of
Speaker 2: the time, you know. I mean, I think, particularly in
Speaker 2: the playoffs, the playoffs is about business, like I'm going
Speaker 2: to handle business like so the whole thing about looking good,
Speaker 2: feel good, play good, and so and so forth. I
Speaker 2: just feel like that's like you're going for business. So
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's different. And some people's like what
Speaker 2: what what do you why? Why does what you what
Speaker 2: you wear matter? I get it. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: persons say you're coming in and watching business, you become
Speaker 2: a threat. You know who we have? You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I haven't talked about like that. And you know, maybe
Speaker 5: I'm biased because I'm a Magic fan, but don't care.
Speaker 5: On man, I think you.
Speaker 2: Know, I think he's another guy. Yes, he's another guy
Speaker 2: on the right. I still this is my opinion, I
Speaker 2: feel like he's in the next tier under that those superstars,
Speaker 2: like he's a star. He's on the rise of being
Speaker 2: a superstar, and I think I think next year will
Speaker 2: be the next step for him because of the experience
Speaker 2: he got this year. I thought he took a huge
Speaker 2: jump this year because of playing in the with the
Speaker 2: that Olympic team and seeing how to be a pro,
Speaker 2: seeing how to lead your team, seeing how to kind
Speaker 2: of adjust to both the responsibility of being the star player.
Speaker 2: I thought his growth was fantastic this year. So I
Speaker 2: got another question for you, So who you got MAVs Timberwolves.
Speaker 4: Me personally, I think that it's gonna be a great matchup.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna go to seven h Dallas have
Speaker 4: size Mavers half size. I think it's gonna and Kyrie
Speaker 4: is the match up. Let's talk about the matchups.
Speaker 2: And has already said he he's got kin m so
Speaker 2: he said it to me on Turner on post game,
Speaker 2: said my matchup gonna be Kyrie. So I'm gonna see
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do. Period. I love it. He's taking
Speaker 2: a challenge and he understands that he has to go
Speaker 2: and see I think I think this series, the stars
Speaker 2: are gonna be stars, gonna put up numbers. I feel
Speaker 2: like Kat's gonna pull up some good numbers and Luca Kyrie.
Speaker 2: This is gonna come down to my opinion, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be an X factor game more so than Stars because
Speaker 2: I feel like they're gonna somewhat cancel each other out.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be the X factor. So it's gonna
Speaker 2: be that third score. It's gonna be the PJ. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like PJ. Washington or or McDaniels. Mc daniels,
Speaker 2: I feel like he played, He played extremely well where
Speaker 2: he nas Red is gonna play and I think go
Speaker 2: Beart will have a huge uh. I feel like you'll
Speaker 2: see a better version of him because he doesn't have
Speaker 2: to guard Nicola Jokic every time down with that type
Speaker 2: of size. Now he's dealing with athletes. Though, yes, Bouncy
Speaker 2: gonna catch lives like if you're a second late, yeah
Speaker 2: you know what's gonna look like. But Go Bear is
Speaker 2: a guy that doesn't really care about that, Like he's
Speaker 2: gonna still go for the block, go make the right place.
Speaker 2: So I feel like for them, Dallas, dare I say
Speaker 2: they have to play fast. I don't think. I think.
Speaker 2: I say this, Luca can't hold onto the ball. That
Speaker 2: ball is gonna have to move to create open shots
Speaker 2: because of Minnesota's defense. Yes, they're gonna channel. They're gonna
Speaker 2: channel right to go Beert, you have to put Gobert
Speaker 2: in multiple picking rolls. It has to be like if
Speaker 2: you're Gafford or something. The first screen can't be for
Speaker 2: a lot because he's gonna sit back anyway, because Gafford,
Speaker 2: I mean yet Luca and and Kyrie come off. He
Speaker 2: has to be up. But if you you put him
Speaker 2: in multiple screens, so it's a pin down to a
Speaker 2: or its a high screen roll to a pin down
Speaker 2: or something like that, then you slip to the lot.
Speaker 2: That's tough. That's a tough action for for him to guard,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So you have to put
Speaker 2: go Bear multiple actions to have success. You said you
Speaker 2: think it's gonna go seven, All right, Well does the
Speaker 2: other Does the Pacers Celtics go seven?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think that. I think the
Speaker 4: Boston's gonna win that in five?
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, where does.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 5: First of all, am I think Boston will take it,
Speaker 5: but I'm giving him at least six.
Speaker 2: Okay, Joe, if it's sent five. Where does Indiana win
Speaker 2: their one game? When they do they win in Boston
Speaker 2: a game or they're gonna win it one at home.
Speaker 4: They don't win one at home.
Speaker 2: They aren't good at home.
Speaker 4: They do look good at home, they don't look that
Speaker 4: that great on the road. But I think, you know, Boston,
Speaker 4: Boston guys that not their stars, but the X factors.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be good. Jared white Man, he
Speaker 4: didn't even he wasn't even a five star, no start
Speaker 4: in high school. When Juco like, look look at it now,
Speaker 4: and I think they're gonna get there. They get their
Speaker 4: center back too.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this. That's why I was
Speaker 2: gonna be asking the question. So, Chuck, Charles Barkley seems
Speaker 2: to think Boston can't get it done if there's no
Speaker 2: Presingers and he's projected not to play the first two games.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that? Because we just talked about
Speaker 2: all of the X factors, and I think I think
Speaker 2: what's the big fellaw uh Horford. I think if he's
Speaker 2: able to somewhat guard uh Miles Turner they'll be okay
Speaker 2: without presingers. He still has the ability to shoot the three.
Speaker 2: He can post up. He's tough and he and he
Speaker 2: does a pretty decent job and pick and roll. Now,
Speaker 2: when they sub and bring in Luke Cornett, there's a question. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll have schemes and whatever to protect him
Speaker 2: or whatnot. And maybe you don't put up Cornet plays
Speaker 2: when Jackson plays, but he's he's an active body for
Speaker 2: the Pacers. Well, they're back up big small ball. I
Speaker 2: think small ball can can work. I mean, you're you're
Speaker 2: talking about Tatum or Brown possibly have in the guard
Speaker 2: miles and when he's aggressive on the glass, you're risking
Speaker 2: wearing them down and getting them foul trouble.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 2: So that's that's kind of that's my concern when you
Speaker 2: do that. So uh, I mean, I think Boston. I
Speaker 2: think Boston gets it done seven games. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just feel like they're gonna make Halliburton guard. I
Speaker 2: think there was some of the you know, I know
Speaker 2: he's up there and steals, and I know Pacer fans
Speaker 2: and some people like, oh he's up there steels, Yes,
Speaker 2: But I watched the Knicks game, and there were situations
Speaker 2: where they made Halliburton have to actually guard and they're
Speaker 2: gonna put him in picking rolls and they're gonna hunt
Speaker 2: him out and you're gonna avoid the switch. Okay, cool,
Speaker 2: But guess what Drew Holliday post up, will post up, Tatum,
Speaker 2: you know, will post up, Jaalen Brown will post up up,
Speaker 2: even Derek White wild post up. So now he has
Speaker 2: to wait until Pritchard comes in the game. Maybe. Oh,
Speaker 2: Pritchard versus t J McConnell's gonna be my c TV
Speaker 2: Tell You, Tell You two little guys scrappy. I even
Speaker 2: like would like to see Drew Holliday and t J
Speaker 2: McConnell kind of go after it. I mean, obviously, Jewe
Speaker 2: Holladay is a bigger guard. Yeah, and he could post up.
Speaker 2: So I just think that's that's kind of the key
Speaker 2: and rebounding. And here here's my true feeling about Boston,
Speaker 2: particularly Tatum. He's the star. I don't think it falls
Speaker 2: on Jaylen Brown more so than Tatum. Here's why we've
Speaker 2: seen in times when when Tatum's not aggressive, well, guess
Speaker 2: who picks up the slack? That guy who makes three
Speaker 2: hundred million, Jayalen Brown, Right, So I think I honestly
Speaker 2: feel that Pacers would have a hard time if Tatum
Speaker 2: is in attack mode like he was in the close
Speaker 2: out game last series, when he's going attacking and he's
Speaker 2: not settling for the contested jump shot from three or
Speaker 2: like a long to like, if he's in attack mode, man,
Speaker 2: it won't matter when they play Okay, your turn, my turn.
Speaker 2: That's when Boston's kind of not at their best. I
Speaker 2: agree they play, but if they play like if they
Speaker 2: play like within the Florida offense, and it's kind of like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm going I'm going boom my kid downhill
Speaker 2: to give you the ball and keep it. I'm playing
Speaker 2: off your penetration. Now, it's kind of set up that way,
Speaker 2: Boston's gonna be hard to guard.
Speaker 4: Out of the last four teams left, which coach do
Speaker 4: you give a nod to? Wh who's to have a team?
Speaker 2: All right, let me let me think whom Boston, Indiana Wolves.
Speaker 2: We yes, what coach has been there? Missoula has been
Speaker 2: there before. M hm, Carlile has been there before. Okay, uh,
Speaker 2: as coaches Wolves have not. All right, So now with
Speaker 2: within those coaches I'm talking about Mossoula. Missoula has the
Speaker 2: same amount of the same group of guys that has
Speaker 2: been there. Carlile has been there, but not with this
Speaker 2: group of guys who are younger, who's never been this
Speaker 2: far in this situation outside of Pascal Siaka. So uh.
Speaker 2: But but there again, what what Carlile has done, He's
Speaker 2: got these guys to buy in. So it's it's gonna
Speaker 2: be interesting to see. Like sometimes I just feel like
Speaker 2: was what some of the calls that Missoula calls, like
Speaker 2: their calls for they're two superstars, not to be aggressive,
Speaker 2: and that's yeah, more so than I'm running to play
Speaker 2: for you to get what I need you to get
Speaker 2: instead of like sometimes you don't you you know, Joe,
Speaker 2: you've been there. I'm not. I'm not letting the point guard.
Speaker 2: I'm calling display where I know I'm gonna get a
Speaker 2: particular shot that I want, you know. So that's what
Speaker 2: I think needs to happen. It's situational basketball. Of course,
Speaker 2: who goes to the finals?
Speaker 5: Timberwol Celtics.
Speaker 2: I ain't mad at it. I ain't at at it.
Speaker 5: That's my take.
Speaker 4: I think the Celtics is gonna go and it's either I.
Speaker 2: Just know that I ain't know either. It's either it's
Speaker 2: either Timberwolves or Maths.
Speaker 4: But I know that once with Celtics, but Timberwolves and
Speaker 4: the Maths is gonna come down to the last second
Speaker 4: shot game seven. Yeah, I think Kyrie is gonna hit it.
Speaker 2: Saying Okay, so you're saying MAVs.
Speaker 4: I just think I feel like a king and king guard.
Speaker 2: But keep going who wins it?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: What an can guard?
Speaker 4: But what knud Kyrie? For seven games?
Speaker 2: He's going I mean he took the challenge with Murray Kyrie.
Speaker 2: I was about to say that I agree a little different. Uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Smoke, You're right, I'm saying a little different.
Speaker 2: So I so, so who was Boston Dallas? And you're
Speaker 2: saying Boston, Minnesota? Who wins it all?
Speaker 5: Minnesota?
Speaker 4: I'm going with I'm going with the West.
Speaker 2: In Dallas Dallas. So either at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a West Geez Louise.
Speaker 4: Who who's going within it all?
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm the Boston Wolves. Yes, yeah, yeah, there
Speaker 2: you Boston Wolves. This week? I would say Minnesota, Minnesula
Speaker 2: this week? Jah, I am I mean, it's like it's
Speaker 2: a whole lot of ifs, ifs, If Presingers is healthy,
Speaker 2: that's a different team, and it's a it's a different
Speaker 2: guard for go bet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got the guard.
Speaker 2: That dude out there on the perimeter because thats where
Speaker 2: he's gonna be. He's not going into the post. Now,
Speaker 2: it's no sitting there's no sitting back. It's no sitting back.
Speaker 2: But he has to be up. So that's that's that's
Speaker 2: I think that's what that's what will do it for me.
Speaker 4: Defensive team, yeah, right now, they had.
Speaker 2: The best team all year. Yes, and they showed that, like,
Speaker 2: hands down, they showed yes.
Speaker 4: Even after winning, he's losing three and the rod they
Speaker 4: came back into seven game seven, it was different defense.
Speaker 5: Second h.
Speaker 2: All right, well let's move on.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's go on to the w n B. A. Have
Speaker 2: you guys been watching much. I know we've all heard
Speaker 2: everybody's on social media, so we've all heard about the
Speaker 2: hype of Caitlyn Clark, angel rees, even Cameron brink with
Speaker 2: the with the l A spark. How impressed or what
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on Caitlyn Clark so far?
Speaker 4: Well, I'll take you this when Kate and Clark was
Speaker 4: in high school with her, Iowa a tack team played
Speaker 4: in the a turnment at Mainland that was given by Essence.
Speaker 4: So I got a chance to see her play at
Speaker 4: Maine High School.
Speaker 2: Okay, how was she as a player in high school?
Speaker 2: Is she pretty much like we know her to be
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 4: It was? It was good TV, man, I'm talking about
Speaker 4: every game that she played. Me and this guy, Coach Martin,
Speaker 4: shot at Coach Martin. We watched and what you see
Speaker 4: now she was doing, shooting, passing. She was the leader,
Speaker 4: she always has always been that way. And her team,
Speaker 4: most of the girls I was on her, our attack team,
Speaker 4: went to college with her, and she was good. It
Speaker 4: was good TV in high school. And she shot the
Speaker 4: deep deep ball, shot at deep. But now she didn't
Speaker 4: shoot at DP. She shooting now, but she was. She
Speaker 4: shot three balls well, yeah, shot fall very well.
Speaker 2: So I got a yeah, yeah, what's your thoughts to me?
Speaker 5: It almost reminds me of the winby Hype, you know,
Speaker 5: he came in. I think it was a lot of
Speaker 5: pressure and the performance that was expected early wasn't there.
Speaker 5: But I think, you know, being somebody who didn't play,
Speaker 5: I observe it as a fan, and I love the
Speaker 5: eyes of what it's doing for the overall lead versus
Speaker 5: a specific.
Speaker 2: Player, and let's talk. Let's talk about that real fast.
Speaker 2: I think as much as you and I've said this
Speaker 2: on previous on the previous part, as much as you
Speaker 2: may love or hate Caitlyn Clark, she's brought more eyes
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna and before everybody jumped like what about,
Speaker 2: what about I'm getting there. But she was the number
Speaker 2: one pick. She has that winby hype, like you said,
Speaker 2: and that brought from from her fan base alone, brought
Speaker 2: more eyeballs to the WNBA to where now you're you're
Speaker 2: finding bigger venues for to house a fever game. But
Speaker 2: the same is with Angel Reese, and I felt like
Speaker 2: Angel Reese, Caitlyn Clark would struggle because of the hype.
Speaker 2: And she has to now go against these girls who
Speaker 2: they say, this is not college. Now you're taking the
Speaker 2: best from college and putting them in the pro. It's
Speaker 2: another level. These girls are stronger, the nastier they moved
Speaker 2: their feet, so on and so forth. So I feel
Speaker 2: like I felt like the beginning was gonna be a
Speaker 2: adjustment period for understanding the speed and strength of these girls,
Speaker 2: and midway through her WNBA first season, we'll see improvement,
Speaker 2: just like we saw with Wimby Angel Reese. On the
Speaker 2: other hand, I felt that she would actually do okay
Speaker 2: early because you don't have to run a play for
Speaker 2: her for her to be dominant. She's a dog and
Speaker 2: has a motor and she just play hard like she
Speaker 2: trying to just punk you and just outwork you and
Speaker 2: then tell you about it like that. Don't require you
Speaker 2: to run a play for her. Shoot it, just shoot it.
Speaker 2: I'll take care of the rest. And that's what we're
Speaker 2: seeing her do more than anything. Yes, she's getting some
Speaker 2: she's being featured a little bit, but more than anything,
Speaker 2: I felt like she would have, particularly in the beginning,
Speaker 2: she'd have be a front brother for probably one of
Speaker 2: the I mean for a Rookie of the Year because
Speaker 2: of that, and then once Caitlyn and some of these
Speaker 2: other girls kind of settle in, you'll have an interesting race,
Speaker 2: if not a favorite or a clear cut winner. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys got the chance to
Speaker 2: see Cameron Brink for the LA Sparks. She's not afraid either,
Speaker 2: Yes at all.
Speaker 4: Yes, she's tough.
Speaker 2: She's tough, she's a shot blocker, she's fearless. I watched
Speaker 2: her play against the Las Vegas Vegas Aces, and she
Speaker 2: wasn't afraid of the moment, and she wasn't afraid of
Speaker 2: her matchup when she guarded. When she was guarding Asia Wilson,
Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, that's cool, and that's it's great
Speaker 2: to see. I mean, I feel like she's gonna have
Speaker 2: her struggles, but defensively is where she she's gonna make
Speaker 2: her mark. And then offensively, she shoots the ball. She
Speaker 2: she has a nice stroke to be six foot everything
Speaker 2: because she she she tall, but she she can shoot
Speaker 2: the ball. She worked with Stephanie a lot, and I
Speaker 2: think there he's he's the god brother, something father, something
Speaker 2: to to her family. If I can't remember what it was,
Speaker 2: so forgive me everyone, but I like her, her her demeanor,
Speaker 2: her approach, and then once she kind of gets her
Speaker 2: feet under her. As far as how this game is
Speaker 2: played offensively, she'll she'll pick up a Defensively, she fits
Speaker 2: right in. Have you guys gotten a chance to see
Speaker 2: the New York Liberty, Yeah, let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: They are good and they were in the They were
Speaker 2: in the the w NBA finals last year they lost
Speaker 2: to the Aces. But it's pretty much the same team
Speaker 2: and watching them, I watched them against the the Fever.
Speaker 2: They're good. They put it this way. We have a
Speaker 2: chance to see repeat finals in my opinion, Liberty versus
Speaker 2: the Aces, because my other question was the Las Vegas Aces.
Speaker 2: If you guys seen them, probably not. They are good
Speaker 2: as well. They are loaded, and they picked up one
Speaker 2: of Caitlyn's Clark Caitland Clark's teammates. I can't think of
Speaker 2: her name right now. It's it's I was trying to
Speaker 2: think of her name. That young lady is not afraid
Speaker 2: of the moment either, and get to her to her
Speaker 2: credit because of her playing with Caitlyn in college, always
Speaker 2: on the big stage, always having eyeballs, Like, it's not
Speaker 2: really that big of an adjustment for her because the
Speaker 2: acests get a lot of attention, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like they get a lot of attention, and it's like
Speaker 2: outside of like, man, I'm in the w NBA playing
Speaker 2: with these girls. She was out there getting it done,
Speaker 2: making big plays, and she shoots the ball. She's defense,
Speaker 2: she's fearless, like, man, I love it. Man.
Speaker 4: So you think like Caitlyn and Lembe, those two type players.
Speaker 4: Do you think when they get at the league, like
Speaker 4: when they being in the league, do you think players
Speaker 4: go at them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going at them because of all the hype.
Speaker 2: They want to see if the hype is real. And
Speaker 2: I thought I thought Wemby handled handle himself very well.
Speaker 2: And and I think he had the advantage of having
Speaker 2: Greg Popovich as his coach, who kind of holwe him
Speaker 2: down just you know, hey, I don't care what they're saying,
Speaker 2: trust me on this. We're gonna be good. You're gonna
Speaker 2: be a star. Like he just he had to buy
Speaker 2: into it. And it seemed to me Winby was like,
Speaker 2: all right, coach, you the godfather. I'm listening, sir. And
Speaker 2: look at the back end of his first season, Winby
Speaker 2: started going crazy. So they upped his minutes. They he
Speaker 2: gained more confidence, he started doing like some people felt
Speaker 2: like because of his numbers he should have won Rookie
Speaker 2: Year and Defensive Player the year. His numbers were better
Speaker 2: than Rudy Gobert this year. His numbers were also better
Speaker 2: than Anthony Davis this year.
Speaker 5: So question because I feel like you've been there before.
Speaker 5: Do you think that players played against him with a
Speaker 5: different type of chip on their shoulder because of the
Speaker 5: hype that he had, maybe like your rookie year coming
Speaker 5: into you know.
Speaker 2: I feel like some rookies, I mean, yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 2: I mean because I feel like if you're a defensive
Speaker 2: guy and you can shut Winby down, that that kind
Speaker 2: of help boost your stock. And then offensively, if you
Speaker 2: can go after him and particularly as a big and
Speaker 2: have your way, that kind of helps boost your stock.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they want to shut him down, make their
Speaker 2: name off of him because you can see, but he's
Speaker 2: seventy five man, and he's athletic, Like he's a seven
Speaker 2: foot five small four. Yeah, yeah, honestly, offensively and defensively
Speaker 2: he that same seven five small four. But the center
Speaker 2: that can that can jump, that is athletic. So like
Speaker 2: that's exactly that is a that is a that's that's
Speaker 2: a creative player, right like you you you when you
Speaker 2: create that player, you try to see, oh, seven five,
Speaker 2: let me go all the way up ninety nine way Yeah, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make sure he can jump high, he got
Speaker 2: a handle, he can shoot, Like that's he's he's that
Speaker 2: type of player. So if you can and have a
Speaker 2: career night or a good night against them, yeah, or
Speaker 2: if you could be that guy who he ain't getting
Speaker 2: nothing off against me type thing like, that's an easy
Speaker 2: way to make it. And I feel like that's kind
Speaker 2: of how it was for Caitlyn. Diane Torazi was in
Speaker 2: that same position as the Stars, and she let it
Speaker 2: be known like this ain't easy coming up here. He's
Speaker 2: grown women, and this is something you gotta deal with,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm so. And it's it's not like
Speaker 2: it's not like it's funny because the first thing we
Speaker 2: throw out is all she's hating on her. It's not.
Speaker 2: It's more so just like, let's slow down and allow
Speaker 2: Caitlyn to and all of these rookies with the hype,
Speaker 2: angel Rees Cameron break all of them. Let's allow these
Speaker 2: ladies to adjust, go through their bumps and bruises early,
Speaker 2: and let's reconvene middle of the season and see what
Speaker 2: we have then. Because just like every w NBA player,
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, the outlier in all of this is
Speaker 2: Candice Parker. She doesn't count. She doesn't count. She came
Speaker 2: in as a rookie one, Rookie of the Year and
Speaker 2: MVP her Rookie Year she didn't got. But every player
Speaker 2: goes through their hard times. I'm not gonna even dare say,
Speaker 2: rookie wall. Fine, that's a real thing. I hear people
Speaker 2: saying or play. I even hear players like n rookie
Speaker 2: that that's a real thing. You just might not know
Speaker 2: that you're in you're you're you're in the rookie wall
Speaker 2: right now, but it's a real thing. Uh. But let
Speaker 2: them get their feet said, start seeing these teams a second,
Speaker 2: third time around. Then we'll see what they're made of,
Speaker 2: because like, yeah, yeah, of course she is the face
Speaker 2: like whether we want to admit it or not. And
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Caitlon mostly, but I'm still gonna say
Speaker 2: Angel Reese as well. The TV revenue, the viewership as
Speaker 2: he sales. These girls are flying private now finally, finally,
Speaker 2: these they're still professional players, man, they are professional players.
Speaker 2: Where rather regardless I'll say, regardless of if some people,
Speaker 2: however you feel about the w n b A, they're
Speaker 2: they're professional players and they are idolized by someone, particularly
Speaker 2: their home base, and they have to go through the
Speaker 2: airport and they had to do it years back in
Speaker 2: the in the NBA. I mean this, the whole charter
Speaker 2: thing hasn't been around that that long. I mean I
Speaker 2: guess it has. I mean it's been I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: we've flew charter, but like not too much. Before I
Speaker 2: got in the league, they were there were all teams
Speaker 2: had all teams didn't have a plane, not that long
Speaker 2: before I got into the lead. So now that this
Speaker 2: is happening, I just feel like we have to just say, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going after but I appreciate her popularity
Speaker 2: bringing opportunity to this league because at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, more money is being generated into the w NBA.
Speaker 2: That means your salary is gonna co up. Because if
Speaker 2: you can get that TV money, that means your salary
Speaker 2: is gonna go up. It's gonna be more money in
Speaker 2: your pocket. And yesterday's price won't be today's price because
Speaker 2: of the TV money. Because the thing so yes like
Speaker 2: you want to play your best against the create a rivalry,
Speaker 2: well it's must see TV and all of these things.
Speaker 2: That's why we're gonna see Caitlin Clark. I think I
Speaker 2: saw a think that she maybe had all but one
Speaker 2: game not on TV this year.
Speaker 5: Wow, all of one game.
Speaker 2: You feel me so like she is generating. Whether, however
Speaker 2: people feel about her, Yeah, she's doing what she's doing.
Speaker 2: The same goes for injuries. However you feel about her.
Speaker 2: One thing you can say if you watch it, she
Speaker 2: still play hard. She's still the same person. She loves it,
Speaker 2: loves her lifestyle, lives her lifestyle. But she still come
Speaker 2: to work. I can see if she did all the
Speaker 2: stuff off the court and didn't produce, didn't play hard,
Speaker 2: didn't have a motor, because it's like, oh she doesn't
Speaker 2: do this. Yeah, okay, but one thing we do know
Speaker 2: that she's gonna do is play hard. She gonna outwork
Speaker 2: somebody out there. And regardless of all the outside stuff
Speaker 2: that she does, she come to work and she's still throwing.
Speaker 2: She throwing these girls around still man like crazy.
Speaker 4: I got a question for you. If you was in
Speaker 4: the NBA around this time, Okay, how many points would
Speaker 4: your average? But when you play, you know it was
Speaker 4: hand chack, It was it was physical. Yeah, when you
Speaker 4: first came to lead, it was handshake. You was averaging
Speaker 4: thirty game. So, because I had this conversation with someone and.
Speaker 2: I think about this outside. Even with all of that
Speaker 2: going away, the game is faster. So I played we
Speaker 2: we weren't averaging one hundred points a game, right, that's true.
Speaker 2: We were in the in the mid nineties, maybe even
Speaker 2: the low nineties doing that. So now the game's faster
Speaker 2: with more three point shooting, which I shot the three
Speaker 2: games faster. So I got out and I'll get out
Speaker 2: and run and catching lives and fast breaking to go
Speaker 2: with it. So yeah, I think I would average more
Speaker 2: off of that alone. But I will still want my
Speaker 2: post ups. I love a post ups. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's funny. It's funny for me, Like I think
Speaker 2: I played in the era when we came in where
Speaker 2: you took the mid range jump shot. I made a
Speaker 2: living off of that early. I still shot the three,
Speaker 2: but I was getting I was getting one, two to
Speaker 2: the mid range and getting getting what I wanted, fadeaways
Speaker 2: and everything in between or all the way to the basket,
Speaker 2: and they taken it away. So I think that would
Speaker 2: be one thing. Kind of like a DeMar DeRozan who
Speaker 2: look even even KD or book guys like that who
Speaker 2: like to play in the mid post like I would
Speaker 2: I would still enjoy that part of it. So all right, guys, Man,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Guys wrapping it up once again, Ao,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. And Hey, before we move into further,
Speaker 2: do you have any anything, any projects, anything coming out
Speaker 2: you want to kind of promote. Man, let I feel
Speaker 2: like we need to do that for you. Man, what
Speaker 2: you got, Man.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. I've been in mogile mode. So right
Speaker 5: now I'm focused on the redevelopment downtown thirty five thousand
Speaker 5: square feet. It'll be a two performance venues, course, a
Speaker 5: recording studio five thousand square feet, education space, uh, coworking space,
Speaker 5: a food hall. And then right now I'm about three
Speaker 5: to four weeks out from finishing my first it's really headquarters,
Speaker 5: but it'll be an additional two recording studios there, photography studio,
Speaker 5: podcast space, things like that, and then of course you know,
Speaker 5: still producing. Uh when I.
Speaker 2: Have two new music for any new projects, Uh.
Speaker 5: I can't talk about Dang, Yes.
Speaker 2: You can't talk about you can't talk about on the way.
Speaker 5: That's other way. It's a lot of the way.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. I love it on
Speaker 2: the way, Joe, anything for.
Speaker 4: You, nice new Man, just.
Speaker 2: Just doing what you do. Man. Yeah, well yeah, Man,
Speaker 2: Well I'll say, Joe, I appreciate you know who you are,
Speaker 2: what you do for for now on the community, but
Speaker 2: to our to the young kids and how you coach
Speaker 2: those kids. And obviously you have some success stories in
Speaker 2: college right now, making ways one of your players top
Speaker 2: five in scoring now at LSU. Just doing great things.
Speaker 2: So keep up the good work. And Ao, same thing
Speaker 2: with you, I know the development, Like I mean you
Speaker 2: just said it right there. You're creating spaces and opportunities
Speaker 2: for other people, not just yourself, to really give them
Speaker 2: a chance to get on. Because that's one thing I've
Speaker 2: always been comfortable with in my skin is I know
Speaker 2: who I am and I know what I bring to
Speaker 2: the table into the game, but I was always willing
Speaker 2: to help other people if I can give them or
Speaker 2: drop some knowledge or share some things on approach that
Speaker 2: may take them to another level or start that process.
Speaker 2: So you're kind of kind of doing that right now,
Speaker 2: and Joe you've been doing that. So thank you again
Speaker 2: man for what you guys. Dude Man shout out to
Speaker 2: the cool everybody, Chef KP Roddaz all you guys. Man
Speaker 2: thank you guys for listening. Man, these are my boys.
Speaker 2: This is what we do. This is what we're talking
Speaker 2: about the VC show. We out. Let's go all right,
Speaker 2: here's the Upper Room Playoff dunk of the week, and
Speaker 2: it goes to mister nas Reed, who had a big fourth,
Speaker 2: well third and fourth quarter for the Timberwolves to put
Speaker 2: them in the Western Conference Final. His putback dunk over
Speaker 2: Yokic goes a little something like this. The interesting thing
Speaker 2: about this dunk, if you look at it, nas Is
Speaker 2: gonna take off with one foot, makes the adjustment quickly
Speaker 2: and goes to two feet and catches it. And yes,
Speaker 2: he uses Yolkis for a little lift. But at the
Speaker 2: same time that is a big athletic movie. You see.
Speaker 2: They're taking off no adjust too, catches it off the
Speaker 2: one hand. And he had two putbacks and this was
Speaker 2: one of two. He caught one from the baseline. But
Speaker 2: I was impressed by this dunk for the simple fact
Speaker 2: of as he goes down, he had it in his
Speaker 2: mind he was taking off with one, but he needed
Speaker 2: to re adjust a little bit. Made for a pretty
Speaker 2: good dunk, pretty good highlight, and obviously a great win.
Speaker 2: So I get my Upper Room Playoff Dunk of the
Speaker 2: Week to nasried. Congratulations. So my next one is who
Speaker 2: did I run into this week? Well, I know before
Speaker 2: I said yes, I ran into the TNT crew getting
Speaker 2: the opportunity to work with the crew. But this week
Speaker 2: was a little different. I got to participate in the
Speaker 2: Black Masters for the second time, finished second or third
Speaker 2: and twenty nineteen, and this year I was coming to
Speaker 2: win the thing and then mister Charles Barkley shout out
Speaker 2: to Chuck. He gave me some extra motivation. They didn't
Speaker 2: show the part where he basically was just saying there
Speaker 2: was nobody there that had a chance, and he guaranteed
Speaker 2: them to win. You know how that goes. When he
Speaker 2: guaranteed there, he is guaranteeing again. And I have to
Speaker 2: say I had a great time. Shout out to Underdog,
Speaker 2: who was a Volusia count of boy, which is obviously
Speaker 2: right outside of Dayton in my area. I think he's
Speaker 2: from Barbarville. So yes, the two Volusia kind of boys,
Speaker 2: Volucia County boys linked up and had a memorable, great round.
Speaker 2: I think we shot a seventy four as a team
Speaker 2: and chucking those shot at eighty, which that you know
Speaker 2: they gave us our proximate. They didn't, but they chose
Speaker 2: not to tell the score. But I'm here to tell you,
Speaker 2: and we had two big moments. Underdog wasn't great off
Speaker 2: the team, but I'll tell you what. He hit two
Speaker 2: huge putts. One was for Eagle. If you see right here,
Speaker 2: this putt right here was for Eagle. I hit it
Speaker 2: up on the up on the green. In two and
Speaker 2: he hit a twenty five thirty footer. I'm talking about nothing.
Speaker 2: But they were pissed because right here in that video
Speaker 2: they're showing Underdog putting into the into the saale last year.
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, it was this teammate. I think
Speaker 2: his Chuck. Chuck was his teammate last year, and he
Speaker 2: didn't you know, he ain't coach this guy. He just
Speaker 2: let him go out there and suffer. And this year
Speaker 2: we got it together. We had a game plan, we
Speaker 2: executed our game plan got to eighteen, which, by the way, folks,
Speaker 2: we had it in hand. And you see right there
Speaker 2: throwing on the black Master's jacket with a pretty darn
Speaker 2: interesting logo of Chuck and his old swing. But I
Speaker 2: wanted Underdog to enjoy that moment as well, because I
Speaker 2: tell you what his eagle. We were even through nine holes,
Speaker 2: we eagled ten and we took off from there to
Speaker 2: win by six shots. We hit our stride getting to
Speaker 2: put that jacket on. It was a pretty good feeling
Speaker 2: because Chuck had to give a speech and at eighteen
Speaker 2: I went for the bomb just so I can say
Speaker 2: it's over, ladies and gentlemen, it's over. And for that
Speaker 2: it is over, I get to be a champ and
Speaker 2: the Black Masters shout out to Ernie, Chuck Keith, Underdog, Eric,
Speaker 2: Ernie's son. We had a good time and that there
Speaker 2: is who I ran into this week becoming the Black
Speaker 2: Masters champion. And my last one for the day is
Speaker 2: my shoutout. First, I'm gonna give a shout out to
Speaker 2: Trevor Emmerlman, who I also ran into, and he was
Speaker 2: on the call for this historic, great moment for Xander Shoffley,
Speaker 2: who my shoutout goes to winning his first major at
Speaker 2: Valhalla and it was a amazing particularly his second shot.
Speaker 2: If you guys remember, he hits it little left. See here,
Speaker 2: drive goes a little left in that first in that
Speaker 2: rough right there he has two feet in the sand,
Speaker 2: hits the ball right in front of the green for
Speaker 2: a great chip or bumping run, whatever he chose. He
Speaker 2: goes to kind of a bumping run, got it to stop,
Speaker 2: I mean, and for a tour player, that's an easy one.
Speaker 2: But at the same time you're talking about winning your
Speaker 2: first major. You see it goes left and he almost
Speaker 2: had the toilet bowl. If he doesn't make that, he
Speaker 2: goes obviously into extra holes against Bryson d. Chambeau, who
Speaker 2: was warming up seemed like he was hitting bombs ready
Speaker 2: to go. I mean, it's amazing to see the tour
Speaker 2: players and we expect them to kind of do what
Speaker 2: they do, and when we're in these situations, we look
Speaker 2: and we're like, there's no way. Just imagine look at
Speaker 2: all those people in the background having to deal with
Speaker 2: that hone your emotions and knock down this putt. Amazing.
Speaker 2: I did get the chance to see and watch, while
Speaker 2: I say, watch Xander win the gold medal at the
Speaker 2: Olympics as well. So he's accomplished some great things in
Speaker 2: his career. Obviously had a rough finish. He ran into
Speaker 2: a bus saw with Rory McElroy the week before in Charlotte,
Speaker 2: and for him to really bounce back and just kind
Speaker 2: of get it done against the naysayers saying can he finish?
Speaker 2: Says a lot about him and his character and is
Speaker 2: able His ability to rise up and get it done
Speaker 2: in a big moment, particularly after what has happened to
Speaker 2: him before. So shout out to Xander Shoftley for his
Speaker 2: first major And those were my clips of the week.
Speaker 2: I hope you once again enjoyed this episode. In every
Speaker 2: episode we put out, hope you learned a lot. Enjoyed it.
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