WEBVTT - Ant-Man vs Luka, Best NBA Duo, Caitlin Clark's Rough Start

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<v Speaker 1>Show, Season two. Yeah, we back again, got the world

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<v Speaker 1>my heart got me on the for us Slam Dunstan

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the VC Show. I'm your host, Vince Carter,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have a lot of great basketball to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about today. Two great game sevens Eastern and Western Conference Finals.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna talk some W n B A and much

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<v Speaker 2>much more. And oh yeah, I have some special guests

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<v Speaker 2>coming through. So kick your feet up. The VC Show

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<v Speaker 2>starts now.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on.

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<v Speaker 2>You got what they wanted, all right, guys, I have

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<v Speaker 2>some special special guests, really close friends. You know when

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about you know, we all have a group chat.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody has a group chat and it's all your friends

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe you have your work your your your work

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<v Speaker 2>chat or whatnot. And I wanted to bring a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys from the chat. The other guys couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>make it. So we're gonna we'll reconvene, We'll have the

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<v Speaker 2>big group on and and really have basketball talk this

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<v Speaker 2>way because I feel like outside of always hearing me

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<v Speaker 2>and and some some other NBA athletes, it's always cool

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<v Speaker 2>to bring in guys who have played the game, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>who are around it, talk it and give their opinions

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<v Speaker 2>along with mine. And I think it kind of makes

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<v Speaker 2>for good conversation because everybody can relate on different levels

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<v Speaker 2>and and you know, and enlightened because it's always like

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<v Speaker 2>I know how I see the game, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and and Ao because we've all had these conversations before,

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<v Speaker 2>and I value their opinions, whether sometimes their right or

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<v Speaker 2>dead wrong, but it makes a good conversation, so enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna start here. My first guest one of

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<v Speaker 2>my best friends. We've been friends since childhood. He's now

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<v Speaker 2>the head coach at our album Model Mainland High School

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<v Speaker 2>back to back state playoff appearances as a coach twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three and twenty four, back to back Coach of the

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<v Speaker 2>Year in Belusha County, that's where we're from. In Daytona

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<v Speaker 2>Beach twenty three and twenty four back to back five

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<v Speaker 2>star Coach of the Year also twenty three and twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>So the last two years has been pretty darn good

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<v Speaker 2>for him. And as a player, he also went what

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<v Speaker 2>back to back state championships we won in the ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five and once I left he wanted again as a

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<v Speaker 2>senior in ninety six. Played college football and basketball at BCU.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be Bethune Cookman University, Hell Wildcats, played in

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<v Speaker 2>the CFL for the Toronto Argonauts, played in the played

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<v Speaker 2>arena football for the Toronto phantom And he's also Mainland

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<v Speaker 2>High School's own Joe Giddings. What's up, Joe? How you

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<v Speaker 2>doing everything? Well? You know, Steve Harvey gives his introductions,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, I try to do my best.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate it, man.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, and my next guest, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>what did we start? Okay? Here my next guest. Grammy

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<v Speaker 2>Award winner in twenty eighteen for Best Rap Album for

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<v Speaker 2>Cardi B's Invasion of Privacy. Hold On six time Grammy

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<v Speaker 2>nominated producer hold On fifteen Billboard number one awards, three

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<v Speaker 2>billion streams, seventeen million records soul. He has worked with

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<v Speaker 2>artists like you Know Lil Wayne on the song John a. Marion,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk Beyonce, bout Allen, Chris Brown, Bryson Tiller, Eric Belager,

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<v Speaker 2>Trey Songs, Doja, Cat, Cardi B and Mex Stallion on

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<v Speaker 2>wh I know you guys listen to that? You know

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<v Speaker 2>it plays everywhere? Yes that here's the guy who did

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<v Speaker 2>that right here, Ao himself, just to name a few people.

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<v Speaker 2>His first placement, it was in two thousand and nine

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<v Speaker 2>working with Soldier Boy. If you guys think back Soldier

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<v Speaker 2>Boy in two thousand and nine. Yeah, you know the rest.

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<v Speaker 2>His first Grammy nomination two years later, in twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>he collabed with The Orlando Magic to refresh their theme song,

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<v Speaker 2>which is so fire and if you haven't listened to it,

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<v Speaker 2>go to their go to their page and check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>This is who did it right here. Shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>Ao Lake Brentley's own Austin Owens aka a Yo the producer.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys. Yeah man, thank you guys for showing up. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate this. I feel like we're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 2>good time. So we're gonna get get started, to get moving.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna start with Joe first, and Joe, I think

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<v Speaker 2>back to you know our years obviously growing up and

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<v Speaker 2>Ao obviously you could chime in. I know you've heard

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<v Speaker 2>these stories. But I think back to that and I

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<v Speaker 2>think about losing in the state playoffs in ninety four,

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<v Speaker 2>which was my junior year. What do you briefly, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember about that?

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<v Speaker 4>First thing? I remember that we all went ball, couldn't hear?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I kept it that way.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we all went could I hair? Like we could

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<v Speaker 4>I hair? That's the first thing. But I know another

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<v Speaker 4>thing that I remember is that pain. Man, It was

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<v Speaker 4>pain to lose, even though you know it was it

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<v Speaker 4>was a stage for us, the big stage for us

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<v Speaker 4>from coming from a little from all time being on

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<v Speaker 4>that stage, but that was that was a hurt feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you happen to remember in the locker room afterwards,

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<v Speaker 2>remember what I said, we'll be back. Yeah, So we

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<v Speaker 2>were sitting in there and everybody, I mean, we're all

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<v Speaker 2>mad and pissed off, and you know, blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 2>crying the whole nine. And I just I looked around

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<v Speaker 2>the locker room. I like, man, sad, Now we'll be back.

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<v Speaker 2>And in nineteen ninety five we were able to come back.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously fulfill our dream h if. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>tough enough to get the joke and speak on that

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, But it's tough enough to get there one time,

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<v Speaker 2>but to do it back to back years. And that

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<v Speaker 2>was a goal of mine, particularly my senior year. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to go out when I felt like we

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<v Speaker 2>were good enough the year before. But I think we

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<v Speaker 2>learned a valuable lesson on sticking to sticking to the script.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying we played out of our character, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, we went ball. The whole team

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<v Speaker 2>went ball. I mean, everybody made a sacrifice for the

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<v Speaker 2>good of the team though. So it was we were together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it just didn't work out. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>next year we got there. I vowed, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to do my part, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>a team collabed effort. I told you go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people don't know that. There's something. My

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<v Speaker 4>sophomore year, your junior year, the year that we lost

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<v Speaker 4>you was ash damn the twenty seven points a game,

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<v Speaker 4>points a game, man, And then you was like, we

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<v Speaker 4>told he was gonna be back. The next year, you

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<v Speaker 4>you average.

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<v Speaker 2>Less, average less points. Yeah, that's points more rebounds and assists.

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<v Speaker 4>More rebounds asision, we have aged more and then we

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<v Speaker 4>want a championship. You made a sacrifice for us. It

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<v Speaker 4>was like, hey, I'm I'm gonna do this right here.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a rebob and more you got more assistant. Then

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<v Speaker 4>we took our game to another level, and hey, we

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<v Speaker 4>want a championship.

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<v Speaker 2>And he you played basketball too for a brief second, right,

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<v Speaker 2>a very broch you don't want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 5>Literally a brief second.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, okay, Well, well Joe, what was uh

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<v Speaker 2>what's a memorable moment for you in your high school career?

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm, I'll tell you this. Uh your senior year.

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<v Speaker 4>My junior year, we played against Launch Park. Ah, god,

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<v Speaker 4>I had twenty eight points and twelve. I had twenty

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<v Speaker 4>eight twelve that game. I had a fast, great dunk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I remember that.

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<v Speaker 4>And besides that, and then Ocean Center when I.

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<v Speaker 2>Have dunk and our right against our rivals.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, the people there, you know those about two

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<v Speaker 4>of my moments.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I'm gonna I'm going to ask you this because

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<v Speaker 2>I know your your memory is pretty good. This kind

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<v Speaker 2>of ties into this guy over here. What do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember about our game against l Branley, God.

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<v Speaker 4>To which one, Like that's that gave we have like seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>The birthday the birthday, yeah, that was the birthday one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like twenty seven, seventeen, seventeen or seventeen. About seventeen blocks.

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<v Speaker 2>Was well sins like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, yeah, I seventeen blocked. You just sometimes use

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<v Speaker 4>his blocking shots even with you know.

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<v Speaker 2>They go, you know, going, yeah, that's what coach. You

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<v Speaker 2>got mad at me?

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<v Speaker 4>You went crazy back, man, I was crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>My bad? You know, yeah, you you weren't there, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, I'm sure you heard about. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna keep it moving up. Hey Joe, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>know you've coached for for how how many years now? Where?

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty years?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty years? So can you name some of the talented

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<v Speaker 2>players that you've coached against? Uh that is that are

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<v Speaker 2>recognizable names male or female? Because for those who don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>he also coached women the women's team as well back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day. Can you name a few that you've

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<v Speaker 2>coached against that you were like, he has some.

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<v Speaker 4>The most recent one was sinceketball from Orlando he played.

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<v Speaker 4>He's at Utah right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>Then he gave us like thirty five forty and our

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<v Speaker 4>gym he was that's the most recent one.

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<v Speaker 2>Eat or what's up? You didn't pay against the big

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<v Speaker 2>fella from he was in the final four? Oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a im.

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<v Speaker 4>Didn't play him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you didn't pay him that year?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So sincekeball is the most one I like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I have, I have few guys that go play, but

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<v Speaker 4>not I make no noise yet, but become.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul, thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>And lastly, I want to say you've done a great

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<v Speaker 2>job of developing players over the years, not just to

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<v Speaker 2>be the best version of themselves basketball wise, but also

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<v Speaker 2>off the court. You know, I think I know the

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<v Speaker 2>answer to this, but where did that come from? What

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<v Speaker 2>did you? Where did you develop that passion to help

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<v Speaker 2>these young men become student athletes not just athletes?

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<v Speaker 4>Well think about it. You know our parents, our parents

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<v Speaker 4>education first, you know, everything else to take care of self.

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<v Speaker 4>So to me, if I can build a better young

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<v Speaker 4>man basketball the ball in South Bounson at one time,

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<v Speaker 4>so what's next? So if I can leave guys to

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<v Speaker 4>be better husbands, better fathers, better role model flock you

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<v Speaker 4>know wrote my community. I done my job. The wins,

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<v Speaker 4>the wins come, the losses come, but there's nothing like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, having that that young man go out of

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<v Speaker 4>the community and then call me twenty years later, Hey, coach,

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<v Speaker 4>I remember DTLT do a little things. Shout out yes,

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<v Speaker 4>talk about talk about stuff like that that they have learned.

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<v Speaker 4>So everything that we was was taught as a as

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<v Speaker 4>a player minded up doing the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to coach. Bring our high school coach. He

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<v Speaker 2>kind of taught us that and kind of got us

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<v Speaker 2>in that same mode. And this kind of ties into you,

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<v Speaker 2>al because you're kind of the same thing in your profession.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as giving opportunity. I know you've uh spoke,

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<v Speaker 2>you spoke, you spoke at symposiums and and different groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh full sale. I don't know if it was you

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<v Speaker 2>just speak or did you teach a class, But nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 2>the point that you were kind of dropping gyms and

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<v Speaker 2>giving knowledge to young up and coming producers and artists

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<v Speaker 2>on how go about their business? Where did that come

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<v Speaker 2>from for you?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm I mean, first and foremost, like you said, parents,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think secondly surrounding myself with men like y'all.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I learned a lot from you. You know, music

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<v Speaker 5>is what I do not who I am, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think that's sort of how you look at basketball is

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<v Speaker 5>what you did very well. But I think the man

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<v Speaker 5>that you are off the floor was much more and

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<v Speaker 5>just the businessman. I remember one time specifically, you were like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 5>do you know how to run motorcycles? And I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm thinking, we're going, you know, ten to fifteen minutes away,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, where we're going?

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<v Speaker 2>There were taking that hour?

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<v Speaker 5>We going to my restaurant, you know, And I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 5>just planting those seeds. Man really taught me to think

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<v Speaker 5>a different way. And for me, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's selfish when you're able to receive wisdom like that

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<v Speaker 5>and keep it to yourself. So I always try to

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<v Speaker 5>just pay it forward and share it and hopefully the

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<v Speaker 5>people we share it with go and do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And the cool thing about AO is that we

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<v Speaker 2>met obviously through a mutual friend many many many years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a very long time through music. Shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to Rod, shout out to KP also or other buddies,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people as far as involved in music,

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<v Speaker 2>and we all got linked together and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like it was a natural thing, and I know at

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<v Speaker 2>that time you were going through something, some issues in

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<v Speaker 2>the business. Obviously, everyone who's in the music business, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, goes through something. And it was funny. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember us sitting pretty much right over here, and the

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I said to you, you know, like, well

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's talk about let's talk through it. And like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, we barely knew each other like that, But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I value the opinions of everyone else who

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<v Speaker 2>brought you in. They felt like you were apart. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just work, you know, it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>friendship along with work. And I remember you coming in

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just like, man and just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>give you, like real advice as a friend more so

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<v Speaker 2>than anything else, trying to oh if you got the

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<v Speaker 2>old man, I helped him get to it. It wasn't it

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<v Speaker 2>was zero, nothing about that. It was more so just

0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.720
<v Speaker 2>lending helping him, you know what I'm saying. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of who I've always been. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just remember that situation and just kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to shoot it to your for real.

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<v Speaker 5>It's so crazy. I tell the story often. You said,

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<v Speaker 5>and you helped me in it. You said, I can

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<v Speaker 5>help you, but I'm not. And I'm like, man, like,

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<v Speaker 5>what does that even me?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>Like, but I knew just out of the respect that

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<v Speaker 5>I had for you that it was real purpose to it.

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<v Speaker 5>And you were like, look, you know you can learn

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<v Speaker 5>now with one hundred thousand, or you can learn down

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<v Speaker 5>the road with you know, a million, ten million, and

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<v Speaker 5>that alone, man like man right there right there. So yeah, thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You nah for sure for you man going through the business.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've enjoyed your music obviously on this side outside

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<v Speaker 2>of what the world has has has seen and and

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<v Speaker 2>for even those who don't know much about you, but

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<v Speaker 2>what what has been most gratifying for you in the business?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you, like I said, like for those once

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<v Speaker 2>again he he I remember that you you texting the

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<v Speaker 2>group chat about why and how fast it became what

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<v Speaker 2>it's become, like literally overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, and I'm gonna ask you this before we even

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<v Speaker 2>go there. I know a lot of artists say they

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<v Speaker 2>don't like They say, oh, man, I did this record

0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.520
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't even like it, but everybody else said

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<v Speaker 2>put it out anyway? Is that a Is that a

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<v Speaker 2>beat that you created that you liked it? Like this

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<v Speaker 2>can be something or was it one of I was like, yeah, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>it's cool.

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<v Speaker 5>But man, man, it's so crazy. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>if I told the story or not, but I made

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<v Speaker 5>a lot at home on my couch, just one of

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<v Speaker 5>those things like you know, just keep the repetition, just

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<v Speaker 5>keep working. And I didn't think it would be what

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<v Speaker 5>it was, but you know, thankfully, thankfully it is, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think far as like gratification, man, I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>I'm thankful to do what I love and really help

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<v Speaker 5>the people that I love most, and just the memories

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<v Speaker 5>that I've been able to create, you know, you know

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<v Speaker 5>for my family and now for my kids, Like that's

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<v Speaker 5>just been so amazing. And I think the other side,

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<v Speaker 5>which is sort of why we all bonded over music,

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<v Speaker 5>is just the therapeutic side of it, you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I'm saying, Like we sort of just we closed that

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<v Speaker 5>door right there, and you know, we we have fun

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, get these emotions and put it down

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<v Speaker 5>on paper and get it out, and man, it's just

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<v Speaker 5>been such a bonding and experience and you know, just

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<v Speaker 5>being able to create that over and over, like it's

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<v Speaker 5>a blessing.

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<v Speaker 2>And for you think about this. Did did things seem

0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.680
<v Speaker 2>bleak like the door was closing once? You know your

0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.239
<v Speaker 2>issue early with the music, you know, with that that

0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.399
<v Speaker 2>one record. I don't know if you choose to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it now, is it a thing in the past.

0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:31.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I leave that up to you. But

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<v Speaker 2>did things look bleak like? Man? I don't know if

0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.199
<v Speaker 2>things will look up from there. Obviously you get that

0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.359
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to work with Beyonce and do record them, and

0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.200
<v Speaker 2>obviously things pop off with Chris Brown and that laundry

0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.840
<v Speaker 2>list of people, But how was that feeling at that time?

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<v Speaker 5>So you got to think at that time, Remember, I

0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:55.600
<v Speaker 5>was Grammy nominated in the nineteen ninety two Honda and

0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.439
<v Speaker 5>I probably had, you know, one hundred dollars in my

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<v Speaker 5>bank account, and one thing that stuck out. Everybody, each

0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.480
<v Speaker 5>and every one of you treated me as if it

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<v Speaker 5>was the exact opposite. You know, it was nothing but love,

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, I knew that I would figure it

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<v Speaker 5>out in the process, and man, I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>so surreal, but it's just one of them things that

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<v Speaker 5>I'm glad it happened. And if I could do it

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<v Speaker 5>over again, I would go through it again just just

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<v Speaker 5>because of the lessons that happened. But I think what

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<v Speaker 5>it really made me do is.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro, you were stressed though, Oh, like I remember you're

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<v Speaker 2>taking calls in between the sessions, you and Ron, and yeah,

0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:40.639
<v Speaker 2>you were stressed. But like I say, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I guess, like what you're saying makes sense though,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's like, yeah, you were stressed, you were going

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<v Speaker 2>through it, but it's always comforting and joke. I know

0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.600
<v Speaker 2>you've been through some things that We've had plenty of

0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:56.520
<v Speaker 2>conversations about tough times, and I think when you're going

0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.000
<v Speaker 2>through it, you go through it. It sucks, but at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, you can look at your show, older

0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.440
<v Speaker 2>your shoulder and know that you got support. You know

0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.680
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. So I guess what you're saying kind

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<v Speaker 2>of kind of makes sense because it's like, yeah, I

0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.320
<v Speaker 2>go through it again because I know the support that

0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.600
<v Speaker 2>I had and I knew that I was never alone.

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<v Speaker 2>It just I just need to take that opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>speak out to get it out sometimes probably you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the case may be. And I get so, I hear.

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<v Speaker 5>You, I hear for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well then they man, we've got to lower everybody. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's get into some basketball, man like, I know you guys. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, Ao, I know you're a Magic fan,

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<v Speaker 2>and what were your thoughts about the Magic And I

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<v Speaker 2>say that because I remember leading into the playoffs or

0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.919
<v Speaker 2>or well, yeah, leading to the playoffs, being local, listening

0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.520
<v Speaker 2>to some of the fans, how nervous they were, And

0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.680
<v Speaker 2>the one thing I said about that Magic team, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of how this turns out, this is invaluable experience

0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.560
<v Speaker 2>for this team for next year, which makes them dangerous

0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.359
<v Speaker 2>because now they know what to expect. Now they know

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<v Speaker 2>what the playoffs look like. Now they it's not unfamiliar territory,

0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.520
<v Speaker 2>particularly for your star players who are going through it.

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<v Speaker 2>They've seen a little bit. So the nerves, You're always

0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:41.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna have nerves, obviously, And let me stop right there

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<v Speaker 2>real quick, Joe. For you, as a coach, do you

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<v Speaker 2>still get or have nerves before you go out to

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<v Speaker 2>coach a game? Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>I think when I stopped having nerves, I think, well

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:53.080
<v Speaker 4>that's one I'm gonna stop coaching.

0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 2>And same thing for you. Go ahead, and the same

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:02.040
<v Speaker 2>thing for you. Do you still have nerves maybe working

0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.000
<v Speaker 2>with an artist or right before that that record's about

0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.840
<v Speaker 2>to drop. Do you still have that? Man? I hope

0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.399
<v Speaker 2>they like it, or you just like, hey, man, I

0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:12.359
<v Speaker 2>know I did some good stuff and not everybody's gonna

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.040
<v Speaker 2>like it. How do you still have those nerves?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely?

0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:20.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Thousands? All right? Yeah, so and I say that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just think next year for the Magic, it's

0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:29.280
<v Speaker 2>gonna be extremely helpful that not only did they just

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<v Speaker 2>go through a series, but they went through a game seven.

0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:33.840
<v Speaker 2>So more than anything, they got to go through a

0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.960
<v Speaker 2>game seven, which is the hardest game to go through

0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.680
<v Speaker 2>because closing out a team, whether you're up or well,

0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.000
<v Speaker 2>whether I mean officer it's tied, but whether you're up

0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:45.919
<v Speaker 2>and you allowed it to come back or whether you

0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.359
<v Speaker 2>fought back in closing out a series is one of

0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the hardest things to do. I don't care if it's

0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.080
<v Speaker 2>the first round or the finals. It's one of the

0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.440
<v Speaker 2>hardest things to do. So how'd you feel about your Magic?

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.080
<v Speaker 2>I know you were at a couple of playoff games.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, yeah, I think it's one of those things now,

0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.320
<v Speaker 5>like you said, super excited to see next season. It's

0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:08.000
<v Speaker 5>like the dogs, once they taste blood, you know it's

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.240
<v Speaker 5>time to eat. So but I just think this this

0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:16.080
<v Speaker 5>season and the other song has you know, helped create

0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 5>this culture, uh, you know with the team and the players.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that make you feel? Man? It's like, I

0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.159
<v Speaker 2>know you when you did it, you're like, oh, I

0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:25.320
<v Speaker 2>think I got one, And it's always cool to think

0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:27.120
<v Speaker 2>that you got one, and you know it's gonna pop off.

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.720
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's next level, right right. It's I read

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<v Speaker 2>the comments that I sent you a couple of text

0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:34.480
<v Speaker 2>mess like, yo, you should be proud.

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I definitely am proud. It's one of those things,

0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:41.080
<v Speaker 5>like you said, you never know just how people are

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.719
<v Speaker 5>gonna accept it. So those nerves were there and this

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:48.919
<v Speaker 5>one that's just far beyond expectation and I think, you know,

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.199
<v Speaker 5>just being a part of that, it just helps, you know,

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 5>bring us together. Man. I think that's what it's all about,

0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:57.879
<v Speaker 5>you know. It's it's something for players to connect with

0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 5>fans and fans to connect with players. And even though

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 5>it was you know, like the commons say, they're like,

0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm a New York Knicks fan, but play the song,

0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, it's a something special.

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.399
<v Speaker 2>And they were winning and you got to hear it

0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:15.680
<v Speaker 2>three times, like it's like it was I'm sure some magic.

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Fans felt maybe they get swept, maybe they win one.

0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Now they pushed it to the break where they actually

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:23.440
<v Speaker 2>had a chance in Game seven, fell short. But it's okay, man,

0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:26.360
<v Speaker 2>like this is this is signs of looking up. I'll

0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 2>say that there were two Game sevens just passed and

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.200
<v Speaker 2>they were fantastic. They lived up to the billing. In

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:38.200
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, I thought it kept people on the edge

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 2>of the seats. Well, I'll start with the Knicks Pacers.

0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:47.360
<v Speaker 2>It ended up a blowout, but at the same time, man,

0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:54.159
<v Speaker 2>it was competitive from start to finish. The Knicks the Knicks, man, regardless.

0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 2>It's funny you hear you hear fans. You know, that's

0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 2>what we do. We hear fans talk about all we

0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:02.879
<v Speaker 2>didn't have all our guys and all that stuff. But

0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:06.119
<v Speaker 2>they still had a legitimate shot in winning. Obviously it

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:08.119
<v Speaker 2>was a blowout, but they still had a legitimate shot

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 2>with what they had And that says a lot about

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 2>the character and the culture in New York. And on

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 2>the other side, I think what Rick Carlile has done.

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I played for Rick Carlile in Dallas, you guys remember that,

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 2>And to see him now buy into the new age,

0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.040
<v Speaker 2>the new style, the new culture, the new way of

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 2>coaching and everything. Man, it says a lot about him

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 2>as a coach and having a point guard like Tyrus

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Halliburton was fantastic. And my thing was, like at home

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 2>he was killing, he was putting up big numbers, uber aggressive,

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:51.120
<v Speaker 2>and on the road in New York he just wasn't aggressive.

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 2>And it frustrated me because obviously it's a different vibe.

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 2>You gotta find your own and find and create your

0:24:56.640 --> 0:25:00.240
<v Speaker 2>own energy on the road all of these things. But

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.959
<v Speaker 2>he was a different monster. Game seven, this dude was aggressive,

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 2>like aggressive. Twenty six point six assists, ten for seventeen

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.880
<v Speaker 2>from the field six or twelve from three point line night,

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:17.159
<v Speaker 2>that was Those numbers are what he did at home,

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 2>and he brought that same energy on the road. What

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.439
<v Speaker 2>say you guys, what did you see? What were your

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 2>thoughts about got Game seven? Hey, yo, you go ahead

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 2>be hell goo, Yeah, I.

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 5>Look at it.

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:33.239
<v Speaker 5>One thing I pride you on is, uh, you know,

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:36.360
<v Speaker 5>just staying healthy is so important, man, taking care.

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Of that body and uh, you know, and those guys

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 2>for the you know, next played a lot of minutes,

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:43.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but they had to. They were down bodies.

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 2>And I'll say this real quick. And Joe, you're a coach,

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>and you guys heard me just say this not too

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 2>long ago. The thing that bothers me about you, coaches,

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Joe you, I said, just this, the thing that bothered

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 2>me about you coaches, man, And I hope as a coach,

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.959
<v Speaker 2>I don't do this. But when you're up and you

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 2>have blowout wins and stuff, you got to give you

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:06.119
<v Speaker 2>a bench a chance to play because they need to

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 2>gain that invaluable experience for situations like what the Knicks

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:16.560
<v Speaker 2>had gone through. Meaning Randall goes down, Robinson goes down,

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Og goes down, then all of a sudden, Jalen Brunson

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:23.959
<v Speaker 2>goes down and you look down that bench and you're like,

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 2>oh man, you don't have the confidence to play that guy.

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:29.959
<v Speaker 2>You know for whatever reason, or you feel like he

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:33.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mess or feel comfortable confident, Well, you haven't given

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:39.400
<v Speaker 2>him that opportunity in situations. Yeah, sample sizes, but more

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>sample sizes he gets, the more comfortable he is. Also,

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.959
<v Speaker 2>so you know, I just wanted this to add that

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>to what he was saying. For sure, for sure, go ahead, Joe.

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:51.520
<v Speaker 5>I agree.

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 4>I think that the Knicks run out of gas. I

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 4>think those guys of the minutes they play, I think

0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 4>Burke came off the bitch and twenty six points.

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>He who hadn't played right right, So.

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 4>Imagine if he hadn't played during the season, like you

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 4>said earlier in the series, No, he could have been

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.160
<v Speaker 4>give him a spark where those guys could have got

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 4>some breathing hen there. Yeah, to me, I think game

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 4>game six in game seven, I'm like, I think tournament

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.919
<v Speaker 4>was big for those guys, specially yeah six for the

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 4>Pacers coming out big man shooting threes, and he kept

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 4>him in the game in game six.

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna throw another name at you, Pascal Siakam.

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I thought Game six in Game seven were well showed

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 2>the value uh he had in that trade right there.

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:44.120
<v Speaker 2>He didn't play great early in the series, in my opinion,

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't have his numbers, but Game six look a

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 2>lot more aggressive, uh, more confident at the free throw line.

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 2>And then game seven he was comfortable because he'd been

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.120
<v Speaker 2>there before. He has a championship, so he knew how

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>to lead and just go out there and kind of

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 2>set the tone and break the ice. I thought he

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 2>was another one. And then that other that other dog, TJ. McConnell. Yes,

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 2>here's another guy who's been there, you know. And as

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 2>a coach, every every coach loves, wants and needs a

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 2>t J. McConnell. Would you agree.

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 4>I agree every team need a dog with a team,

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 4>and that person's gonna go out there and do little

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 4>things that other people want to do and be aggressive

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.119
<v Speaker 4>with it. So I think he was big.

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.479
<v Speaker 2>And also, I'm gonna say de Vincenzo, I thought he

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 2>was fantastic. I didn't see him to be this prolific

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>of a score. And it's not disrespect I just didn't

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>see it. I mean, obviously he was playing within his

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>role he played in Golden State. I think he learned

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 2>how to be a great body mover meaning just moving

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>off the ball, and obviously a great catching shoot or

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>catching off the move. He learned a lot playing with

0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 2>the Golden State Warriors.

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, man, I could you imagine playing NBA with

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 4>your college teammates like no, playing.

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 2>With Antoine and Jeff McGinnis, and yeah, those guys.

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 4>Man Chico, like the Knicks, Man, they had guys and

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 4>all three guys that wanted to do no that played together.

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 4>So they played well together. They played well together. That

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 4>that was a big reason why they was able to

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 4>accomplish a lot of stuff and fight through some stuff

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 4>because they've been to the practice, they've been playing together

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 4>for a long time. And most of those guys I

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 4>think went to college for four years. M hmmm, so

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 4>they're for a little bit more mature.

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they they they they hurt the hurt bitar heels.

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 2>We had the series one and uh yeah, they got us.

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 2>They got us. But we ain't gonn talk about that.

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>We're talking about NBA basketball and the other game seven

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Denver Nuggets versus the Minnesota Timberwolves. That was wow. I

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>mean the build up, it's like you went from a

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>great game. Oh man, it was unfortunate. Obviously we didn't

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 2>mention Jalen Brunson obviously breaking his hand on on the

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 2>on the strip down and I thought he was unbelievable

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>all all series, I mean all serious shoot, all playoffs,

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it was just unfortunate. So I want

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 2>to give him his love and shout out. I played

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 2>with his dad Rick in Toronto briefly, so man, I

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>was obviously rooted for him to continue to play well.

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 2>But it was that that great series, great Game seven

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>which led to even better Game seven with the Nuggets

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 2>and Minnesota? Uh, what are your thoughts? First on what

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 2>you saw and then I'll get into what I my thoughts.

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 5>Man, I think, Uh, again, the fatigue played its role.

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 5>I've seen something where they were talking about you know,

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 5>obviously they had a very long season last year, and

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 5>you know that down time that they usually would have had.

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 4>Uh, they did it and then usually series many Yeah,

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 4>and then I didn't like that trying to I didn't

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 4>like that. What what were your thoughts on trying to

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 4>just secure that that second place spot and not being

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 4>able to wrest their guys as well?

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, And well, let me jump in real fast though,

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>because I gotta say this. I didn't I didn't like

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>how that, how that came off because I look at

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 2>the Bulls who went three p I look at all

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 2>former champions prior to I mean they they all had

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 2>a long season flowing into the next year and get

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 2>it done. Look at Golden State, look at Lebron and

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 2>his teams. Who who were who went five years in

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 2>a row? But I mean at least to the conference finals.

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 2>So I just I understand what he I hear what

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 2>he's saying, but at the same time, I just I'm

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>just like, yeah, the reason you you those minutes is

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 2>because you wanted to win and get the best possible seed.

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 2>He didn't feel comfortable going back to our last conversation

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>about using other guys to savor some of those minutes.

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 2>You see what I'm saying, And and and he lost

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Bruce Brown, he lost Jeff Green. Shut up to the uncle, Jeff.

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Those guys were huge off the bench for him. Where

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 2>he can he can buy some minutes, and he didn't

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 2>feel comfortable. In my opinion, I'm on the outside looking in,

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 2>but I just felt like he didn't feel comfortable. You

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 2>used DeAndre Jordan in a few more minutes. You can

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of sit Joker down a little more to have

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 2>him fresh forward. But it's kind of a sacrifice you

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>have to make to get what you want to get.

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 2>They were trying to get the number one seed, period,

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. So that's that's kind of

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>what comes with it. So that's that's the only thing.

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 2>And Mike Malone is fantastic. He's a great coach. You know.

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>I just I just I didn't agree with them on

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 2>that that's just what it is. Go ahead, Joe to me.

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 4>With Gordon Porter Junior in kse CP he combined for

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 4>sixteen points at home in game seven. There's no way

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 4>your other three starters who have been playing well here

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 4>and they're combined for sixteen points in the game seven

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 4>and the close out game and at home to me,

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Minnesota was the aggressive in the second half. They made

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 4>adjustments by putting Red in the game. Who's a knockdown

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 4>shoots Now now Joker, Joker had to go out and guard.

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 4>He had to go out and defend those guys who

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 4>can shoot with kat Reid, and now he got stretched

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 4>forward and Joker played forty seven minutes. He played forty

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 4>seven minutes in that game. Late in the game when

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 4>when the game was kind of closed, he had fatigued

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 4>where he couldn't get rebounds and couldn't get stuff out

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 4>there late.

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I think and see, I'll say this as as a coach,

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 2>you got to decide, and it's a it's a decision

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 2>you have to make on the spot. So will he

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 2>look at it like maybe I should have set him

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>down when they were up twenty at some point in

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the game. Maybe he should he could have uh step

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 2>with his normal rotation or minute rotation. At that point

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 2>you have a lead. Obviously, when you're losing your lead

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, you could throw him back in the

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 2>game instead of just sitting them down. I mean, just

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 2>leave him on the court. I guess I'll say this.

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>There's another thing about there's a big thing about what

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Chuck said on T and T because I was on

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 2>that night about sitting Gobart, and it's a couple of

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 2>guys has come out and said that they thought so.

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 2>And I kind of understood what they were saying because

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 2>they were trying they needed to play faster to get

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 2>back in the game, and like you said, Joe, make

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Yo Kic guard and they wanted to kind of attack.

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I think Kat was doing a very good job of

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 2>guarding him until he got fouled. The one thing that

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:46.879
<v Speaker 2>bothers me with Rudy, and I said it on air

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:52.279
<v Speaker 2>and I'll say it again, he was playing too straight up.

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>So if you're seven whatever you are, and you got

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>a bigger guy like that, you can't guard him straight

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 2>up like that because when he hit you, you're gonna

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>fall all over the place. He just needed a better base,

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 2>a lower base and a little more and active hands

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 2>to kind of get him thinking a little bit, show

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 2>him different looks and stuff like that, which he didn't do.

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I just felt like that's when Joker was able to

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 2>take advantage of him. And you see when Kat was

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>playing them, he was kind of giving them different looks

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and just playing them. Sometime he pushed them, sometime he

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.319
<v Speaker 2>tried to out quit them, just to get him thinking

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and that's what wore him down. So

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 2>that's why I understood what Chuck was saying. And I

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't like the reporter that asked Gobert, and I'm assuming

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna assume that he didn't ask, he didn't tell

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 2>him or say give him the whole backstore in context

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 2>to why he said that. He just I think the

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 2>question was, what are your thoughts on why Chuck Charles

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Barkley wanting you off the floor? Blah blah blah. Well,

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the reason they were saying they needed play faster. The

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 2>coach said at halftime they needed to play faster, So

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, I just it was just it's just kind

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 2>of funny how how things work in the edit that

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 2>comes out into the world all the time. But I

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:15.280
<v Speaker 2>just felt like when you talk about Heo, you mentioned

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.879
<v Speaker 2>this earlier about a team sticking together, having each other's back.

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 2>That's what we saw from Minnesota as far as their

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 2>superstar was being double teams and he every time he

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 2>was in a situation, they'd wait, wait, wait, go double,

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 2>make him get off the ball. So shout out to

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 2>it for having the confidence and trust and belief in

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 2>his guys, because if he didn't believe him and took

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 2>bad shots and forced the issue turnovers, everybody kind of

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 2>against the poutain mopen and kind of like, man, what's

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 2>wrong with buddy? You know, you know type thing. So

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I just I want I gotta give him as propsy

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:58.840
<v Speaker 2>And I asked him that question, like he had confidence

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 2>in his guys. You could tell that they're very tight

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 2>knit group. And having Mike Conley is huge because he

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>had a guy where when he got doubled, now you

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:13.800
<v Speaker 2>have a point guard in a four on three situation

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 2>to make to make decisions or score himself. When Mike

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 2>was out, you saw they double and they struggled. So

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.359
<v Speaker 2>I just I just like how that team, how close

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.359
<v Speaker 2>knit they are, And then Aunt saying, oh, I'm gonna

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 2>step it up. They've got me, They've gotten me to

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 2>this point. Now I'm gonna do what I need to

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 2>do for them. And in the fourth quarter his defense

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 2>stepped up. He got the big steel and then he

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 2>hit the big three and obviously shout out to nas

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Reed like you guys said, no, it was fantastic. Kat

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 2>goes with five fouls, so now you gotta leave Gobert

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 2>in and nas Reed takes over like it was just

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 2>a total true team effort something like you mentioned.

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 5>I have a question for y'all. Do you think in

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 5>that situation being the Nuggets, is it easy to get

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.879
<v Speaker 5>comfortable to have time in that locker room?

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? Absolutely, because you think a younger team, a younger

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 2>team that doesn't have the same experience that you have,

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 2>they they're gonna the first five minutes, you know they're

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna try to make a run to get back in it.

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.719
<v Speaker 2>But Denver made the first run. They go up from

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.399
<v Speaker 2>fifteen to twenty, so now we're kind of like, oh, yeah,

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 2>they ready to lay down, and that wasn't the case.

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.799
<v Speaker 2>And yes, I agree they were for Tegue Joker had

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 2>thirty four nineteen and seven, and you can see on

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:41.839
<v Speaker 2>his three point shot he ended up making. If I'm

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 2>not mistaken, let me see he made he made two

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 2>of them, but at one point he was zero for seven,

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>one for nine, ended up two for ten or for

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 2>one for eight and then two to ten. How many

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>he shot ten?

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 4>Three? She was two for ten.

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, two for ten. So that's what I'm saying. So

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 2>it's just and the other thing, like you guys said

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 2>they have five bench points, yes, five.

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:10.919
<v Speaker 4>Yes, sixteenth sixteen total.

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and only two guys in double figures. That's

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:17.839
<v Speaker 2>not gonna get it done. So I do think they

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 2>ran out of gas and you just play sometimes, Like

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 2>it's easy to say they don't. I mean, I just

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 2>said it, but it's easy to be a team that

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:31.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have the experience. But sometimes you go out there

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:33.879
<v Speaker 2>and just play hard. And if I don't know better,

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 2>that's sometimes okay too. Like they don't know better, like

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.319
<v Speaker 2>they don't understand maybe they didn't even realize how big

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.799
<v Speaker 2>the moment is, and just just play the games, play

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.839
<v Speaker 2>hard sometimes that and that's what we saw, Like they

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 2>got punched in the mouth, stagger, stagger, But we could

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 2>still play hard. We're still the number one defensive team

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.439
<v Speaker 2>in the NBA. We could do that. We could still

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:57.879
<v Speaker 2>give the effort and defense gave them life offensively.

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 4>I got a question for you NBA today, it's a

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:06.919
<v Speaker 4>lot of challenge calls, challenge files.

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Quick to do one of these.

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 5>Anywhere.

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 4>What's like when you played back, when you first begin

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 4>to start playing. How do you think that would have

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 4>affected the game then as it is now?

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 2>That's hard to say. I mean, obviously, you always you're

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:29.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna I mean, you're gonna lean into the rules whenever

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.560
<v Speaker 2>you can't or how have you Whatever advantage you think

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 2>you can get, you're gonna you're gonna try to take

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.839
<v Speaker 2>advantage of it. So it definitely will be utilized. Uh,

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 2>it's just it's just tough sometimes because as a coach

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 2>you have to obviously rely on your that that video

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.279
<v Speaker 2>guy and assistant coaches to make that quick decision like

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:54.280
<v Speaker 2>yes or no, And sometimes the player feels so adamant

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 2>about yes man, challenge this, I know I did or

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>did not do whatever it is, and sometimes it goes

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:02.359
<v Speaker 2>goes left and as a coach, you lose your time out.

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 2>You don't have that challenge late in the game when

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 2>you probably need it more than anything. So it's a

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a tough situation for but I know I think players, coaches,

0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:16.399
<v Speaker 2>teams adapt to whatever the situations are and if that's

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:20.320
<v Speaker 2>the thing, they're gonna use it and it will get abused.

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 2>That's just that's just how it goes.

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 5>You made a comment early and you said, uh, and

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 5>hopefully when I'm coaching. What did you mean by that?

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know why I said that.

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:38.919
<v Speaker 2>You said it, I'll just put it out there. Yeah,

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, And now that I think about it, I

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 2>did say that. I guess. I guess I did it.

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to. I didn't one percent didn't mean that.

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I have not been thinking about it. I think I

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.400
<v Speaker 2>think I think I was gonna say. I mean, I

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 2>think I was gonna say. I think I was saying

0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:03.800
<v Speaker 2>if I were coaching. Okay, that's what That's kind of

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:09.280
<v Speaker 2>just the things I would say. What I have no news,

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 2>no news before we get into the Eastern Conference finals

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:34.399
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. I want to ask you a question,

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:38.279
<v Speaker 2>in your opinion, what's one of the best deals in

0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 2>the NBA? Do we still do? I think Joker and

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and Murray or one of what are one of the

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 2>best I also say Kyrie and Luca the way they

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 2>are playing right now, yes, Am and Brown you, I

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>mean they're still They're still up there. Maybe not the

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 2>top two or three, I don't know, but there there

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:13.720
<v Speaker 2>they did. They definitely deserve to be mentioned. Cat and

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 2>and and like right now. I mean, yeah, Jalen Brunson

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:26.399
<v Speaker 2>and Devincenzo maybe like yes, a man like what Devincenzo

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.719
<v Speaker 2>was doing, like they were getting it done. They were

0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:35.719
<v Speaker 2>getting it done. So that's duo. That's that's I don't know,

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:41.480
<v Speaker 2>regardless of how it played out in Denver, but but

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 2>out of a sixty nine points, sixty nine points, I

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 2>don't mean to cut you off, nineteen rebounds and a

0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:52.279
<v Speaker 2>bunch of assists, like they've been tough all year, they

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>just didn't have any help go ahead.

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 5>Out of the final four, who really has the true

0:43:59.120 --> 0:43:59.839
<v Speaker 5>duos there?

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 2>So the best due out of the final four? I'm

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 2>mhm m is it?

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.360
<v Speaker 5>Is it a new game being played? In your opinion?

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 2>The game is different now, it's different. It's different for

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of reasons. And I think we we rely

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 2>on trying to draw the file instead of getting the buckets. Now.

0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I say we, meaning the players now. I mean, obviously

0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>there's more three point shots. It's funny how you shoot

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 2>all the threes and then in the playoffs back in

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:41.760
<v Speaker 2>the day. Now you're trying to get into paint, utilize

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 2>your post up more. Now you you're obviously trying to

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 2>use the three point shot to your advantage. Spread the floor,

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 2>open the floor up. So it's it is a different game.

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:54.800
<v Speaker 2>It's a faster game. You look at the the scoring

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 2>numbers now as opposed to when I first got in

0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the league, it's not even close. You didn't have that

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.839
<v Speaker 2>if not one or two teams scoring one hundred points,

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 2>and they were probably on the West coast. He definitely

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 2>went on the East coast and they definitely wasn't on

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:12.399
<v Speaker 2>my side. Uh So it is definitely a different game.

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 2>But with the answer the question the best dual, I'm

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna say it's Luca and Kyrie. I think m hm uh.

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 2>And I got to give Kyrie some props the way

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 2>he has matured and what he's done, how he's bought in,

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and I'm giving props to Luca for allowing Kyrie to

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 2>be the the ultimate dynamic score that he is, as

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 2>well allowing the other superstar in his team to flourish

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and do what they do to make the game easier

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.440
<v Speaker 2>for him, Like he doesn't have the four shots now,

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying.

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:50.240
<v Speaker 4>I got a question. Boughton and Luca a lot different

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 4>than Kyrie. Luca.

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know they he didn't get he didn't get

0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 2>a chance to be. I mean, it's I think now

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 2>we can say, man, that would have in something. Now

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I think Brunson. You could see the potential in Brunson

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 2>that last year he was there, you know what I'm saying.

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:12.319
<v Speaker 4>But it is Boston the too. That's a good question,

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 4>is Boston too? Because you know Boston he.

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.399
<v Speaker 2>Was he was at that time. He was the two

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 2>because Luca had the ball in his hands all the time.

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 2>And I think Luca would have been dangerous if he

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 2>allowed Brunson to be the point guard with his ability

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:35.399
<v Speaker 2>to pass and score. And now Luca catching the ball

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 2>with a live dribble, Yes, he could the ball with

0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:40.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of dribble, so he could either catch it

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and go right to his post move call a pick

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:45.560
<v Speaker 2>and roll over or catching shoot. He didn't have to

0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 2>always have the ball go through a bunch of pick

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.840
<v Speaker 2>and rolls, set back up. Now, now get to his

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:52.680
<v Speaker 2>step back. He didn't have he didn't have to work

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 2>that hard because of a guy like that. And I

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 2>think he's kind of seeing the benefits of that now

0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 2>with Kyrie, he's seeing the benefits of that now having PJ.

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Washington guys who can spread the floor. He's also seen

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:07.799
<v Speaker 2>the benefits because he's having two live wires and I

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 2>mean live threats and Lively and Gafford guys who are

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 2>very active. Like So, now I come up to pick

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 2>a row, I can just wait and just throw it

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 2>up there because you got a decision, you know what

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:23.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. So yeah, all right, So since we're getting

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:29.240
<v Speaker 2>into tough questions, I'm gonna ask you this out of okay,

0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:33.360
<v Speaker 2>who would you start a franchise with right now? Anthony

0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Edwards or Luca Dutchess.

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go an, I'm gonna go and just he's

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 3>twenty two, yeah, that and he's on he's ascending.

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:56.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And look and Luca is still right there as well.

0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean he's still ascending. It's just it's just what

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.080
<v Speaker 2>is what's your tea? Really? I think that's that to

0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:03.840
<v Speaker 2>answer that question, what's your cup of tea. What do

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.239
<v Speaker 2>you what style do you like because they play different

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:08.040
<v Speaker 2>style of basketball they do.

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:11.759
<v Speaker 4>I think I think it's more of he's on the

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 4>rise and played offense. Team he played both ends to mean,

0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 4>Luca has been playing pretty good defense.

0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 2>And he has he has bought in. Shout out to

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:22.360
<v Speaker 2>j Kibbs, former teammate. He is a man.

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:25.320
<v Speaker 4>He's been challenging. He's been he's been a set challenging

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.400
<v Speaker 4>to me. I think they possibly have a chance to

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 4>come out to West.

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:30.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 2>Is there a face of the franchise? Is there one

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 2>guy right now who would be is the future face

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 2>of the franchise or is there a few of them?

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 5>In your opinions? A few?

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 4>I think it's a few.

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Remember John Moran didn't play, Zion had a good year,

0:48:52.560 --> 0:49:02.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't finish Wimby Yes, I mean s G A.

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:02.920
<v Speaker 1>H.

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean you still have I mean Jason Tatum is

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:10.800
<v Speaker 2>is on the custom of that next group as well.

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:14.440
<v Speaker 4>So you forgetting some guy you think the older guys

0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 4>that's you know, starting that is by the time for

0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:18.680
<v Speaker 4>them let the younger guys take over.

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.160
<v Speaker 2>It just depends on on if they're ready or not.

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, you can give you can give keys

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 2>to a fool. Yeah, and and and they'll they'll take

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 2>over your franchise or they'll take over your car, But

0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:34.479
<v Speaker 2>that don't mean they're gonna bring it back in one piece.

0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:36.279
<v Speaker 2>You see what I'm saying. So it's just I feel

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.680
<v Speaker 2>like you, I feel like giving the keys to a

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.719
<v Speaker 2>player has you have to value that. It has to

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.239
<v Speaker 2>be sacred. I mean, you would like to see your

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:46.840
<v Speaker 2>car come back in one piece, that that nice Maybach

0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:48.719
<v Speaker 2>or Bentley or whatever it is that you're gonna let

0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 2>them drive. This is this is this is your everything.

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like we have to nurture those young

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 2>guys in the manner that what we want them to

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:01.319
<v Speaker 2>be when you give them keys, because it's easy to

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 2>give a draft pick the keys coming right in and

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:09.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, once they knowing. Just imagine if you're eighteen nineteen,

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.680
<v Speaker 2>all right, this is say even twenty one, you're making

0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:14.880
<v Speaker 2>all these millions, and now you're the franchise player for

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the Orlando Magic AO or whoever. Like, imagine you at

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:22.239
<v Speaker 2>twenty one, yeah, Joe, imagine you at twenty one like

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:24.360
<v Speaker 2>that and you got the like just think about that.

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 2>So I just think we have to kind of look

0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:30.440
<v Speaker 2>at when I'm giving you these keys, I need to

0:50:30.440 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 2>think can you handle the responsibility that comes with this

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:37.399
<v Speaker 2>being that franchise player. I think a lot of these

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:41.719
<v Speaker 2>guys who are getting that opportunity. I covered the Brooklyn

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Nets and Michael Bridges. We had a couple of a

0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:50.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of conversations with him about the responsibility and now

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 2>the difference because when you're a role player, you're the

0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 2>third guy, second guy whatever in Phoenix becoming the number

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:00.879
<v Speaker 2>one guy on the Scott Report when they start talking

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.920
<v Speaker 2>about what teams do. Guess what they talk about first, you, sir,

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:07.360
<v Speaker 2>And so you don't have time to really be in

0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.799
<v Speaker 2>your feelings or you got to find a way and

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 2>still got to be a team guy. You have a

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:16.320
<v Speaker 2>responsibility for yourself and other other players to get them involved,

0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 2>even if you're not the point guard in my opinion,

0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:20.640
<v Speaker 2>because you can still be the vocal leader and you

0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.520
<v Speaker 2>have to uplift guys as well as the as a

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.080
<v Speaker 2>go to guy. You know, so do you have to

0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 2>have a voice in the locker room and on the court.

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:30.160
<v Speaker 4>So back then, I think when when you were when

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.320
<v Speaker 4>you were the rookie, you had veterans that was able.

0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:36.319
<v Speaker 2>To it was two young guys and ten ten to

0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 2>twelve fits. So yes, it was different.

0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:40.920
<v Speaker 4>To help you. You know what I'm saying, help you guys,

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 4>you lead, just like now. I told some about the

0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:46.759
<v Speaker 4>day I said, eventures go to games. He would a suit.

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:51.399
<v Speaker 2>No, it's just different for the playoffs. Yeah, and when

0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:53.000
<v Speaker 2>we sat on the bench it was required. I mean

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:54.160
<v Speaker 2>that was like I said, it's just a change of

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the time, you know. I mean, I think, particularly in

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:03.359
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs, the playoffs is about business, like I'm going

0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:10.719
<v Speaker 2>to handle business like so the whole thing about looking good,

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:13.520
<v Speaker 2>feel good, play good, and so and so forth. I

0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:16.840
<v Speaker 2>just feel like that's like you're going for business. So

0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's different. And some people's like what

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:22.640
<v Speaker 2>what what do you why? Why does what you what

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:27.319
<v Speaker 2>you wear matter? I get it. But at the same time,

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:31.160
<v Speaker 2>persons say you're coming in and watching business, you become

0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 2>a threat. You know who we have? You know what

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:34.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying.

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:37.720
<v Speaker 5>I haven't talked about like that. And you know, maybe

0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:40.160
<v Speaker 5>I'm biased because I'm a Magic fan, but don't care.

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.399
<v Speaker 5>On man, I think you.

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Know, I think he's another guy. Yes, he's another guy

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:46.640
<v Speaker 2>on the right. I still this is my opinion, I

0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:53.319
<v Speaker 2>feel like he's in the next tier under that those superstars,

0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:57.000
<v Speaker 2>like he's a star. He's on the rise of being

0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:01.319
<v Speaker 2>a superstar, and I think I think next year will

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:04.560
<v Speaker 2>be the next step for him because of the experience

0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:06.760
<v Speaker 2>he got this year. I thought he took a huge

0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 2>jump this year because of playing in the with the

0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:15.399
<v Speaker 2>that Olympic team and seeing how to be a pro,

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:17.960
<v Speaker 2>seeing how to lead your team, seeing how to kind

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 2>of adjust to both the responsibility of being the star player.

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought his growth was fantastic this year. So I

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:36.200
<v Speaker 2>got another question for you, So who you got MAVs Timberwolves.

0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:44.800
<v Speaker 4>Me personally, I think that it's gonna be a great matchup.

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:47.920
<v Speaker 4>I think it's gonna go to seven h Dallas have

0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:53.080
<v Speaker 4>size Mavers half size. I think it's gonna and Kyrie

0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:56.560
<v Speaker 4>is the match up. Let's talk about the matchups.

0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:03.799
<v Speaker 2>And has already said he he's got kin m so

0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:07.759
<v Speaker 2>he said it to me on Turner on post game,

0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:10.279
<v Speaker 2>said my matchup gonna be Kyrie. So I'm gonna see

0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 2>what I'm gonna do. Period. I love it. He's taking

0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:15.480
<v Speaker 2>a challenge and he understands that he has to go

0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:23.080
<v Speaker 2>and see I think I think this series, the stars

0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:27.799
<v Speaker 2>are gonna be stars, gonna put up numbers. I feel

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:32.120
<v Speaker 2>like Kat's gonna pull up some good numbers and Luca Kyrie.

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 2>This is gonna come down to my opinion, it's gonna

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:41.200
<v Speaker 2>be an X factor game more so than Stars because

0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they're gonna somewhat cancel each other out.

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:46.880
<v Speaker 2>But it's gonna be the X factor. So it's gonna

0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:50.200
<v Speaker 2>be that third score. It's gonna be the PJ. Yes,

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:57.520
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be like PJ. Washington or or McDaniels. Mc daniels,

0:54:57.520 --> 0:55:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I feel like he played, He played extremely well where

0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:04.319
<v Speaker 2>he nas Red is gonna play and I think go

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:07.839
<v Speaker 2>Beart will have a huge uh. I feel like you'll

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:11.000
<v Speaker 2>see a better version of him because he doesn't have

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:16.799
<v Speaker 2>to guard Nicola Jokic every time down with that type

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 2>of size. Now he's dealing with athletes. Though, yes, Bouncy

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna catch lives like if you're a second late, yeah

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 2>you know what's gonna look like. But Go Bear is

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:31.799
<v Speaker 2>a guy that doesn't really care about that, Like he's

0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:34.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna still go for the block, go make the right place.

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:41.280
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like for them, Dallas, dare I say

0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:44.319
<v Speaker 2>they have to play fast. I don't think. I think.

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I say this, Luca can't hold onto the ball. That

0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:50.600
<v Speaker 2>ball is gonna have to move to create open shots

0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:54.000
<v Speaker 2>because of Minnesota's defense. Yes, they're gonna channel. They're gonna

0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:56.880
<v Speaker 2>channel right to go Beert, you have to put Gobert

0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:01.359
<v Speaker 2>in multiple picking rolls. It has to be like if

0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.520
<v Speaker 2>you're Gafford or something. The first screen can't be for

0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot because he's gonna sit back anyway, because Gafford,

0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean yet Luca and and Kyrie come off. He

0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:12.319
<v Speaker 2>has to be up. But if you you put him

0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:16.000
<v Speaker 2>in multiple screens, so it's a pin down to a

0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:18.239
<v Speaker 2>or its a high screen roll to a pin down

0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:20.399
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, then you slip to the lot.

0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:23.560
<v Speaker 2>That's tough. That's a tough action for for him to guard,

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:25.439
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. So you have to put

0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:30.920
<v Speaker 2>go Bear multiple actions to have success. You said you

0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:35.080
<v Speaker 2>think it's gonna go seven, All right, Well does the

0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:37.880
<v Speaker 2>other Does the Pacers Celtics go seven?

0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:39.319
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:42.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't think so. I think that. I think the

0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:44.240
<v Speaker 4>Boston's gonna win that in five?

0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Wow, Okay, where does.

0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:52.640
<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:55.200
<v Speaker 5>First of all, am I think Boston will take it,

0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:57.000
<v Speaker 5>but I'm giving him at least six.

0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Joe, if it's sent five. Where does Indiana win

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.280
<v Speaker 2>their one game? When they do they win in Boston

0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:07.919
<v Speaker 2>a game or they're gonna win it one at home.

0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:09.200
<v Speaker 4>They don't win one at home.

0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:11.680
<v Speaker 2>They aren't good at home.

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.239
<v Speaker 4>They do look good at home, they don't look that

0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:17.440
<v Speaker 4>that great on the road. But I think, you know, Boston,

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:21.000
<v Speaker 4>Boston guys that not their stars, but the X factors.

0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:24.200
<v Speaker 4>I think it's gonna be good. Jared white Man, he

0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:28.200
<v Speaker 4>didn't even he wasn't even a five star, no start

0:57:28.200 --> 0:57:31.600
<v Speaker 4>in high school. When Juco like, look look at it now,

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:33.280
<v Speaker 4>and I think they're gonna get there. They get their

0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:33.880
<v Speaker 4>center back too.

0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you this. That's why I was

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:38.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna be asking the question. So, Chuck, Charles Barkley seems

0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:46.760
<v Speaker 2>to think Boston can't get it done if there's no

0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Presingers and he's projected not to play the first two games.

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Do you agree with that? Because we just talked about

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:59.520
<v Speaker 2>all of the X factors, and I think I think

0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:08.120
<v Speaker 2>what's the big fellaw uh Horford. I think if he's

0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 2>able to somewhat guard uh Miles Turner they'll be okay

0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:19.600
<v Speaker 2>without presingers. He still has the ability to shoot the three.

0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:25.080
<v Speaker 2>He can post up. He's tough and he and he

0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:27.520
<v Speaker 2>does a pretty decent job and pick and roll. Now,

0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:33.959
<v Speaker 2>when they sub and bring in Luke Cornett, there's a question. Now,

0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they'll have schemes and whatever to protect him

0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:41.640
<v Speaker 2>or whatnot. And maybe you don't put up Cornet plays

0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:45.000
<v Speaker 2>when Jackson plays, but he's he's an active body for

0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:51.680
<v Speaker 2>the Pacers. Well, they're back up big small ball. I

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:55.480
<v Speaker 2>think small ball can can work. I mean, you're you're

0:58:55.480 --> 0:59:01.120
<v Speaker 2>talking about Tatum or Brown possibly have in the guard

0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:04.360
<v Speaker 2>miles and when he's aggressive on the glass, you're risking

0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:06.640
<v Speaker 2>wearing them down and getting them foul trouble.

0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:07.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's true.

0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:07.919
<v Speaker 5>That's true.

0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:11.400
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's kind of that's my concern when you

0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:19.200
<v Speaker 2>do that. So uh, I mean, I think Boston. I

0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:26.360
<v Speaker 2>think Boston gets it done seven games. I don't know.

0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like they're gonna make Halliburton guard. I

0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:33.640
<v Speaker 2>think there was some of the you know, I know

0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:36.320
<v Speaker 2>he's up there and steals, and I know Pacer fans

0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:38.000
<v Speaker 2>and some people like, oh he's up there steels, Yes,

0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:42.280
<v Speaker 2>But I watched the Knicks game, and there were situations

0:59:42.280 --> 0:59:46.840
<v Speaker 2>where they made Halliburton have to actually guard and they're

0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:48.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna put him in picking rolls and they're gonna hunt

0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:53.800
<v Speaker 2>him out and you're gonna avoid the switch. Okay, cool,

0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:57.720
<v Speaker 2>But guess what Drew Holliday post up, will post up, Tatum,

0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:00.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, will post up, Jaalen Brown will post up up,

1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:05.200
<v Speaker 2>even Derek White wild post up. So now he has

1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:09.120
<v Speaker 2>to wait until Pritchard comes in the game. Maybe. Oh,

1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Pritchard versus t J McConnell's gonna be my c TV

1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Tell You, Tell You two little guys scrappy. I even

1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:21.400
<v Speaker 2>like would like to see Drew Holliday and t J

1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:24.720
<v Speaker 2>McConnell kind of go after it. I mean, obviously, Jewe

1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Holladay is a bigger guard. Yeah, and he could post up.

1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:33.520
<v Speaker 2>So I just think that's that's kind of the key

1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and rebounding. And here here's my true feeling about Boston,

1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:44.120
<v Speaker 2>particularly Tatum. He's the star. I don't think it falls

1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:50.760
<v Speaker 2>on Jaylen Brown more so than Tatum. Here's why we've

1:00:50.800 --> 1:00:55.320
<v Speaker 2>seen in times when when Tatum's not aggressive, well, guess

1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:57.560
<v Speaker 2>who picks up the slack? That guy who makes three

1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:03.160
<v Speaker 2>hundred million, Jayalen Brown, Right, So I think I honestly

1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:09.080
<v Speaker 2>feel that Pacers would have a hard time if Tatum

1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:10.960
<v Speaker 2>is in attack mode like he was in the close

1:01:11.000 --> 1:01:16.959
<v Speaker 2>out game last series, when he's going attacking and he's

1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:20.880
<v Speaker 2>not settling for the contested jump shot from three or

1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:26.120
<v Speaker 2>like a long to like, if he's in attack mode, man,

1:01:27.680 --> 1:01:31.680
<v Speaker 2>it won't matter when they play Okay, your turn, my turn.

1:01:31.720 --> 1:01:34.680
<v Speaker 2>That's when Boston's kind of not at their best. I

1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:38.720
<v Speaker 2>agree they play, but if they play like if they

1:01:38.720 --> 1:01:42.040
<v Speaker 2>play like within the Florida offense, and it's kind of like,

1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:44.160
<v Speaker 2>all right, I'm going I'm going boom my kid downhill

1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:45.720
<v Speaker 2>to give you the ball and keep it. I'm playing

1:01:46.240 --> 1:01:48.840
<v Speaker 2>off your penetration. Now, it's kind of set up that way,

1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Boston's gonna be hard to guard.

1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:53.800
<v Speaker 4>Out of the last four teams left, which coach do

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<v Speaker 4>you give a nod to? Wh who's to have a team?

1:01:57.440 --> 1:02:05.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, let me let me think whom Boston, Indiana Wolves.

1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:10.640
<v Speaker 2>We yes, what coach has been there? Missoula has been

1:02:10.680 --> 1:02:19.320
<v Speaker 2>there before. M hm, Carlile has been there before. Okay, uh,

1:02:19.640 --> 1:02:24.959
<v Speaker 2>as coaches Wolves have not. All right, So now with

1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:29.160
<v Speaker 2>within those coaches I'm talking about Mossoula. Missoula has the

1:02:29.200 --> 1:02:31.520
<v Speaker 2>same amount of the same group of guys that has

1:02:31.520 --> 1:02:35.880
<v Speaker 2>been there. Carlile has been there, but not with this

1:02:35.920 --> 1:02:40.160
<v Speaker 2>group of guys who are younger, who's never been this

1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:45.680
<v Speaker 2>far in this situation outside of Pascal Siaka. So uh.

1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:49.439
<v Speaker 2>But but there again, what what Carlile has done, He's

1:02:49.440 --> 1:02:51.160
<v Speaker 2>got these guys to buy in. So it's it's gonna

1:02:51.200 --> 1:02:54.960
<v Speaker 2>be interesting to see. Like sometimes I just feel like

1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:57.800
<v Speaker 2>was what some of the calls that Missoula calls, like

1:02:58.560 --> 1:03:02.080
<v Speaker 2>their calls for they're two superstars, not to be aggressive,

1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:06.840
<v Speaker 2>and that's yeah, more so than I'm running to play

1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:08.760
<v Speaker 2>for you to get what I need you to get

1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:11.960
<v Speaker 2>instead of like sometimes you don't you you know, Joe,

1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:14.240
<v Speaker 2>you've been there. I'm not. I'm not letting the point guard.

1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm calling display where I know I'm gonna get a

1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:20.720
<v Speaker 2>particular shot that I want, you know. So that's what

1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I think needs to happen. It's situational basketball. Of course,

1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:25.520
<v Speaker 2>who goes to the finals?

1:03:28.920 --> 1:03:30.040
<v Speaker 5>Timberwol Celtics.

1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I ain't mad at it. I ain't at at it.

1:03:35.160 --> 1:03:35.800
<v Speaker 5>That's my take.

1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:40.160
<v Speaker 4>I think the Celtics is gonna go and it's either I.

1:03:40.160 --> 1:03:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Just know that I ain't know either. It's either it's

1:03:44.720 --> 1:03:46.040
<v Speaker 2>either Timberwolves or Maths.

1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:50.800
<v Speaker 4>But I know that once with Celtics, but Timberwolves and

1:03:51.520 --> 1:03:53.680
<v Speaker 4>the Maths is gonna come down to the last second

1:03:53.720 --> 1:04:00.520
<v Speaker 4>shot game seven. Yeah, I think Kyrie is gonna hit it.

1:04:00.200 --> 1:04:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Saying Okay, so you're saying MAVs.

1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:09.880
<v Speaker 4>I just think I feel like a king and king guard.

1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:13.480
<v Speaker 2>But keep going who wins it?

1:04:14.400 --> 1:04:14.600
<v Speaker 5>Man?

1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:16.240
<v Speaker 2>What an can guard?

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<v Speaker 4>But what knud Kyrie? For seven games?

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<v Speaker 2>He's going I mean he took the challenge with Murray Kyrie.

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to say that I agree a little different. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Smoke, You're right, I'm saying a little different.

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<v Speaker 2>So I so, so who was Boston Dallas? And you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying Boston, Minnesota? Who wins it all?

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<v Speaker 5>Minnesota?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going with I'm going with the West.

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<v Speaker 2>In Dallas Dallas. So either at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be a West Geez Louise.

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<v Speaker 4>Who who's going within it all?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm I'm the Boston Wolves. Yes, yeah, yeah, there

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<v Speaker 2>you Boston Wolves. This week? I would say Minnesota, Minnesula

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<v Speaker 2>this week? Jah, I am I mean, it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of ifs, ifs, If Presingers is healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a different team, and it's a it's a different

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<v Speaker 2>guard for go bet.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he got the guard.

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<v Speaker 2>That dude out there on the perimeter because thats where

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna be. He's not going into the post. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's no sitting there's no sitting back. It's no sitting back.

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<v Speaker 2>But he has to be up. So that's that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what that's what will do it for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Defensive team, yeah, right now, they had.

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<v Speaker 2>The best team all year. Yes, and they showed that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>hands down, they showed yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Even after winning, he's losing three and the rod they

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<v Speaker 4>came back into seven game seven, it was different defense.

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<v Speaker 5>Second h.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well let's move on.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go on to the w n B. A. Have

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<v Speaker 2>you guys been watching much. I know we've all heard

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's on social media, so we've all heard about the

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<v Speaker 2>hype of Caitlyn Clark, angel rees, even Cameron brink with

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<v Speaker 2>the with the l A spark. How impressed or what

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<v Speaker 2>are your thoughts on Caitlyn Clark so far?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'll take you this when Kate and Clark was

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<v Speaker 4>in high school with her, Iowa a tack team played

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<v Speaker 4>in the a turnment at Mainland that was given by Essence.

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<v Speaker 4>So I got a chance to see her play at

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<v Speaker 4>Maine High School.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how was she as a player in high school?

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<v Speaker 2>Is she pretty much like we know her to be

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<v Speaker 2>right now?

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<v Speaker 4>It was? It was good TV, man, I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 4>every game that she played. Me and this guy, Coach Martin,

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<v Speaker 4>shot at Coach Martin. We watched and what you see

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<v Speaker 4>now she was doing, shooting, passing. She was the leader,

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<v Speaker 4>she always has always been that way. And her team,

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<v Speaker 4>most of the girls I was on her, our attack team,

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<v Speaker 4>went to college with her, and she was good. It

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<v Speaker 4>was good TV in high school. And she shot the

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<v Speaker 4>deep deep ball, shot at deep. But now she didn't

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<v Speaker 4>shoot at DP. She shooting now, but she was. She

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<v Speaker 4>shot three balls well, yeah, shot fall very well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got a yeah, yeah, what's your thoughts to me?

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<v Speaker 5>It almost reminds me of the winby Hype, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he came in. I think it was a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>pressure and the performance that was expected early wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think, you know, being somebody who didn't play,

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<v Speaker 5>I observe it as a fan, and I love the

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<v Speaker 5>eyes of what it's doing for the overall lead versus

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<v Speaker 5>a specific.

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<v Speaker 2>Player, and let's talk. Let's talk about that real fast.

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<v Speaker 2>I think as much as you and I've said this

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<v Speaker 2>on previous on the previous part, as much as you

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<v Speaker 2>may love or hate Caitlyn Clark, she's brought more eyes

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna and before everybody jumped like what about,

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<v Speaker 2>what about I'm getting there. But she was the number

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<v Speaker 2>one pick. She has that winby hype, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>and that brought from from her fan base alone, brought

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<v Speaker 2>more eyeballs to the WNBA to where now you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>finding bigger venues for to house a fever game. But

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<v Speaker 2>the same is with Angel Reese, and I felt like

1:09:18.960 --> 1:09:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Angel Reese, Caitlyn Clark would struggle because of the hype.

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<v Speaker 2>And she has to now go against these girls who

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<v Speaker 2>they say, this is not college. Now you're taking the

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<v Speaker 2>best from college and putting them in the pro. It's

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<v Speaker 2>another level. These girls are stronger, the nastier they moved

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<v Speaker 2>their feet, so on and so forth. So I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I felt like the beginning was gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>adjustment period for understanding the speed and strength of these girls,

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<v Speaker 2>and midway through her WNBA first season, we'll see improvement,

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<v Speaker 2>just like we saw with Wimby Angel Reese. On the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand, I felt that she would actually do okay

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<v Speaker 2>early because you don't have to run a play for

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<v Speaker 2>her for her to be dominant. She's a dog and

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<v Speaker 2>has a motor and she just play hard like she

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<v Speaker 2>trying to just punk you and just outwork you and

1:10:16.640 --> 1:10:20.519
<v Speaker 2>then tell you about it like that. Don't require you

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<v Speaker 2>to run a play for her. Shoot it, just shoot it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take care of the rest. And that's what we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing her do more than anything. Yes, she's getting some

1:10:30.200 --> 1:10:32.400
<v Speaker 2>she's being featured a little bit, but more than anything,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like she would have, particularly in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>she'd have be a front brother for probably one of

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<v Speaker 2>the I mean for a Rookie of the Year because

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<v Speaker 2>of that, and then once Caitlyn and some of these

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<v Speaker 2>other girls kind of settle in, you'll have an interesting race,

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<v Speaker 2>if not a favorite or a clear cut winner. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you guys got the chance to

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<v Speaker 2>see Cameron Brink for the LA Sparks. She's not afraid either,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, she's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>She's tough, she's a shot blocker, she's fearless. I watched

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<v Speaker 2>her play against the Las Vegas Vegas Aces, and she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't afraid of the moment, and she wasn't afraid of

1:11:15.200 --> 1:11:19.120
<v Speaker 2>her matchup when she guarded. When she was guarding Asia Wilson,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, Okay, that's cool, and that's it's great

1:11:22.400 --> 1:11:24.080
<v Speaker 2>to see. I mean, I feel like she's gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>her struggles, but defensively is where she she's gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>her mark. And then offensively, she shoots the ball. She

1:11:30.360 --> 1:11:33.479
<v Speaker 2>she has a nice stroke to be six foot everything

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<v Speaker 2>because she she she tall, but she she can shoot

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. She worked with Stephanie a lot, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think there he's he's the god brother, something father, something

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<v Speaker 2>to to her family. If I can't remember what it was,

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<v Speaker 2>so forgive me everyone, but I like her, her her demeanor,

1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:56.479
<v Speaker 2>her approach, and then once she kind of gets her

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<v Speaker 2>feet under her. As far as how this game is

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<v Speaker 2>played offensively, she'll she'll pick up a Defensively, she fits

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<v Speaker 2>right in. Have you guys gotten a chance to see

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Liberty, Yeah, let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 2>They are good and they were in the They were

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<v Speaker 2>in the the w NBA finals last year they lost

1:12:18.160 --> 1:12:20.600
<v Speaker 2>to the Aces. But it's pretty much the same team

1:12:21.080 --> 1:12:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and watching them, I watched them against the the Fever.

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<v Speaker 2>They're good. They put it this way. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to see repeat finals in my opinion, Liberty versus

1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:39.960
<v Speaker 2>the Aces, because my other question was the Las Vegas Aces.

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<v Speaker 2>If you guys seen them, probably not. They are good

1:12:43.960 --> 1:12:49.840
<v Speaker 2>as well. They are loaded, and they picked up one

1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:52.600
<v Speaker 2>of Caitlyn's Clark Caitland Clark's teammates. I can't think of

1:12:52.600 --> 1:12:54.720
<v Speaker 2>her name right now. It's it's I was trying to

1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:59.280
<v Speaker 2>think of her name. That young lady is not afraid

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<v Speaker 2>of the moment either, and get to her to her

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<v Speaker 2>credit because of her playing with Caitlyn in college, always

1:13:07.880 --> 1:13:10.760
<v Speaker 2>on the big stage, always having eyeballs, Like, it's not

1:13:11.000 --> 1:13:14.880
<v Speaker 2>really that big of an adjustment for her because the

1:13:14.960 --> 1:13:17.920
<v Speaker 2>acests get a lot of attention, you know what I'm saying,

1:13:17.920 --> 1:13:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Like they get a lot of attention, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>outside of like, man, I'm in the w NBA playing

1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:24.719
<v Speaker 2>with these girls. She was out there getting it done,

1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:28.120
<v Speaker 2>making big plays, and she shoots the ball. She's defense,

1:13:28.200 --> 1:13:30.679
<v Speaker 2>she's fearless, like, man, I love it. Man.

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<v Speaker 4>So you think like Caitlyn and Lembe, those two type players.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think when they get at the league, like

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<v Speaker 4>when they being in the league, do you think players

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<v Speaker 4>go at them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're going at them because of all the hype.

1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:46.720
<v Speaker 2>They want to see if the hype is real. And

1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:51.519
<v Speaker 2>I thought I thought Wemby handled handle himself very well.

1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:55.880
<v Speaker 2>And and I think he had the advantage of having

1:13:55.880 --> 1:14:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Greg Popovich as his coach, who kind of holwe him

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<v Speaker 2>down just you know, hey, I don't care what they're saying,

1:14:05.560 --> 1:14:08.519
<v Speaker 2>trust me on this. We're gonna be good. You're gonna

1:14:08.520 --> 1:14:11.280
<v Speaker 2>be a star. Like he just he had to buy

1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:13.960
<v Speaker 2>into it. And it seemed to me Winby was like,

1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:18.000
<v Speaker 2>all right, coach, you the godfather. I'm listening, sir. And

1:14:18.120 --> 1:14:21.479
<v Speaker 2>look at the back end of his first season, Winby

1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:26.360
<v Speaker 2>started going crazy. So they upped his minutes. They he

1:14:26.439 --> 1:14:30.799
<v Speaker 2>gained more confidence, he started doing like some people felt

1:14:30.840 --> 1:14:34.160
<v Speaker 2>like because of his numbers he should have won Rookie

1:14:34.280 --> 1:14:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Year and Defensive Player the year. His numbers were better

1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:41.320
<v Speaker 2>than Rudy Gobert this year. His numbers were also better

1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:42.960
<v Speaker 2>than Anthony Davis this year.

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<v Speaker 5>So question because I feel like you've been there before.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think that players played against him with a

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<v Speaker 5>different type of chip on their shoulder because of the

1:14:56.840 --> 1:14:59.720
<v Speaker 5>hype that he had, maybe like your rookie year coming

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<v Speaker 5>into you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like some rookies, I mean, yeah, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean because I feel like if you're a defensive

1:15:06.600 --> 1:15:09.840
<v Speaker 2>guy and you can shut Winby down, that that kind

1:15:09.880 --> 1:15:12.320
<v Speaker 2>of help boost your stock. And then offensively, if you

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<v Speaker 2>can go after him and particularly as a big and

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<v Speaker 2>have your way, that kind of helps boost your stock.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they want to shut him down, make their

1:15:21.360 --> 1:15:23.519
<v Speaker 2>name off of him because you can see, but he's

1:15:23.520 --> 1:15:26.400
<v Speaker 2>seventy five man, and he's athletic, Like he's a seven

1:15:26.479 --> 1:15:33.560
<v Speaker 2>foot five small four. Yeah, yeah, honestly, offensively and defensively

1:15:34.120 --> 1:15:36.840
<v Speaker 2>he that same seven five small four. But the center

1:15:37.560 --> 1:15:41.040
<v Speaker 2>that can that can jump, that is athletic. So like

1:15:41.560 --> 1:15:44.599
<v Speaker 2>that's exactly that is a that is a that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>a creative player, right like you you you when you

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<v Speaker 2>create that player, you try to see, oh, seven five,

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<v Speaker 2>let me go all the way up ninety nine way Yeah, Like, yeah,

1:15:53.760 --> 1:15:55.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna make sure he can jump high, he got

1:15:55.680 --> 1:15:58.479
<v Speaker 2>a handle, he can shoot, Like that's he's he's that

1:15:58.560 --> 1:16:01.560
<v Speaker 2>type of player. So if you can and have a

1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:06.559
<v Speaker 2>career night or a good night against them, yeah, or

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<v Speaker 2>if you could be that guy who he ain't getting

1:16:09.120 --> 1:16:12.200
<v Speaker 2>nothing off against me type thing like, that's an easy

1:16:12.240 --> 1:16:15.040
<v Speaker 2>way to make it. And I feel like that's kind

1:16:15.040 --> 1:16:19.040
<v Speaker 2>of how it was for Caitlyn. Diane Torazi was in

1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:21.040
<v Speaker 2>that same position as the Stars, and she let it

1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:23.360
<v Speaker 2>be known like this ain't easy coming up here. He's

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<v Speaker 2>grown women, and this is something you gotta deal with,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm so. And it's it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like it's funny because the first thing we

1:16:33.120 --> 1:16:35.880
<v Speaker 2>throw out is all she's hating on her. It's not.

1:16:36.479 --> 1:16:40.120
<v Speaker 2>It's more so just like, let's slow down and allow

1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Caitlyn to and all of these rookies with the hype,

1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:47.120
<v Speaker 2>angel Rees Cameron break all of them. Let's allow these

1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:51.840
<v Speaker 2>ladies to adjust, go through their bumps and bruises early,

1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:56.519
<v Speaker 2>and let's reconvene middle of the season and see what

1:16:57.120 --> 1:17:01.320
<v Speaker 2>we have then. Because just like every w NBA player,

1:17:02.120 --> 1:17:05.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, the outlier in all of this is

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<v Speaker 2>Candice Parker. She doesn't count. She doesn't count. She came

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<v Speaker 2>in as a rookie one, Rookie of the Year and

1:17:11.640 --> 1:17:15.679
<v Speaker 2>MVP her Rookie Year she didn't got. But every player

1:17:16.360 --> 1:17:19.519
<v Speaker 2>goes through their hard times. I'm not gonna even dare say,

1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:23.320
<v Speaker 2>rookie wall. Fine, that's a real thing. I hear people

1:17:23.360 --> 1:17:25.679
<v Speaker 2>saying or play. I even hear players like n rookie

1:17:25.680 --> 1:17:27.760
<v Speaker 2>that that's a real thing. You just might not know

1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:30.840
<v Speaker 2>that you're in you're you're you're in the rookie wall

1:17:30.960 --> 1:17:33.519
<v Speaker 2>right now, but it's a real thing. Uh. But let

1:17:33.560 --> 1:17:37.080
<v Speaker 2>them get their feet said, start seeing these teams a second,

1:17:37.520 --> 1:17:43.360
<v Speaker 2>third time around. Then we'll see what they're made of,

1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:47.040
<v Speaker 2>because like, yeah, yeah, of course she is the face

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<v Speaker 2>like whether we want to admit it or not. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say Caitlon mostly, but I'm still gonna say

1:17:53.400 --> 1:18:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Angel Reese as well. The TV revenue, the viewership as

1:18:00.200 --> 1:18:06.719
<v Speaker 2>he sales. These girls are flying private now finally, finally,

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<v Speaker 2>these they're still professional players, man, they are professional players.

1:18:11.240 --> 1:18:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Where rather regardless I'll say, regardless of if some people,

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<v Speaker 2>however you feel about the w n b A, they're

1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:31.839
<v Speaker 2>they're professional players and they are idolized by someone, particularly

1:18:31.880 --> 1:18:34.479
<v Speaker 2>their home base, and they have to go through the

1:18:34.600 --> 1:18:38.439
<v Speaker 2>airport and they had to do it years back in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the NBA. I mean this, the whole charter

1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:43.439
<v Speaker 2>thing hasn't been around that that long. I mean I

1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:45.799
<v Speaker 2>guess it has. I mean it's been I mean, obviously

1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:52.600
<v Speaker 2>we've flew charter, but like not too much. Before I

1:18:52.640 --> 1:18:54.519
<v Speaker 2>got in the league, they were there were all teams

1:18:54.520 --> 1:18:58.920
<v Speaker 2>had all teams didn't have a plane, not that long

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<v Speaker 2>before I got into the lead. So now that this

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<v Speaker 2>is happening, I just feel like we have to just say, hey, man,

1:19:06.520 --> 1:19:11.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm going after but I appreciate her popularity

1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:15.320
<v Speaker 2>bringing opportunity to this league because at the end of

1:19:15.360 --> 1:19:20.479
<v Speaker 2>the day, more money is being generated into the w NBA.

1:19:20.640 --> 1:19:23.960
<v Speaker 2>That means your salary is gonna co up. Because if

1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:26.160
<v Speaker 2>you can get that TV money, that means your salary

1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:27.960
<v Speaker 2>is gonna go up. It's gonna be more money in

1:19:28.000 --> 1:19:31.639
<v Speaker 2>your pocket. And yesterday's price won't be today's price because

1:19:31.920 --> 1:19:35.160
<v Speaker 2>of the TV money. Because the thing so yes like

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<v Speaker 2>you want to play your best against the create a rivalry,

1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:41.120
<v Speaker 2>well it's must see TV and all of these things.

1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:43.920
<v Speaker 2>That's why we're gonna see Caitlin Clark. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>saw a think that she maybe had all but one

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<v Speaker 2>game not on TV this year.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, all of one game.

1:19:51.320 --> 1:19:56.519
<v Speaker 2>You feel me so like she is generating. Whether, however

1:19:56.560 --> 1:20:02.000
<v Speaker 2>people feel about her, Yeah, she's doing what she's doing.

1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:06.520
<v Speaker 2>The same goes for injuries. However you feel about her.

1:20:06.960 --> 1:20:08.479
<v Speaker 2>One thing you can say if you watch it, she

1:20:08.560 --> 1:20:12.559
<v Speaker 2>still play hard. She's still the same person. She loves it,

1:20:12.600 --> 1:20:15.040
<v Speaker 2>loves her lifestyle, lives her lifestyle. But she still come

1:20:15.120 --> 1:20:17.519
<v Speaker 2>to work. I can see if she did all the

1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:20.840
<v Speaker 2>stuff off the court and didn't produce, didn't play hard,

1:20:21.280 --> 1:20:23.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a motor, because it's like, oh she doesn't

1:20:23.200 --> 1:20:25.240
<v Speaker 2>do this. Yeah, okay, but one thing we do know

1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:28.679
<v Speaker 2>that she's gonna do is play hard. She gonna outwork

1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:31.320
<v Speaker 2>somebody out there. And regardless of all the outside stuff

1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:33.639
<v Speaker 2>that she does, she come to work and she's still throwing.

1:20:33.880 --> 1:20:38.240
<v Speaker 2>She throwing these girls around still man like crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>I got a question for you. If you was in

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<v Speaker 4>the NBA around this time, Okay, how many points would

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<v Speaker 4>your average? But when you play, you know it was

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<v Speaker 4>hand chack, It was it was physical. Yeah, when you

1:20:57.520 --> 1:20:59.679
<v Speaker 4>first came to lead, it was handshake. You was averaging

1:21:00.400 --> 1:21:04.720
<v Speaker 4>thirty game. So, because I had this conversation with someone and.

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<v Speaker 2>I think about this outside. Even with all of that

1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:13.720
<v Speaker 2>going away, the game is faster. So I played we

1:21:13.720 --> 1:21:18.479
<v Speaker 2>we weren't averaging one hundred points a game, right, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>We were in the in the mid nineties, maybe even

1:21:22.840 --> 1:21:28.599
<v Speaker 2>the low nineties doing that. So now the game's faster

1:21:28.720 --> 1:21:32.759
<v Speaker 2>with more three point shooting, which I shot the three

1:21:33.400 --> 1:21:35.599
<v Speaker 2>games faster. So I got out and I'll get out

1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:38.519
<v Speaker 2>and run and catching lives and fast breaking to go

1:21:38.600 --> 1:21:40.599
<v Speaker 2>with it. So yeah, I think I would average more

1:21:40.600 --> 1:21:45.439
<v Speaker 2>off of that alone. But I will still want my

1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:51.840
<v Speaker 2>post ups. I love a post ups. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:21:52.520 --> 1:21:55.759
<v Speaker 2>And it's funny. It's funny for me, Like I think

1:21:57.040 --> 1:21:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I played in the era when we came in where

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<v Speaker 2>you took the mid range jump shot. I made a

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<v Speaker 2>living off of that early. I still shot the three,

1:22:04.160 --> 1:22:06.479
<v Speaker 2>but I was getting I was getting one, two to

1:22:06.520 --> 1:22:09.400
<v Speaker 2>the mid range and getting getting what I wanted, fadeaways

1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:12.479
<v Speaker 2>and everything in between or all the way to the basket,

1:22:13.080 --> 1:22:16.200
<v Speaker 2>and they taken it away. So I think that would

1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:18.639
<v Speaker 2>be one thing. Kind of like a DeMar DeRozan who

1:22:18.720 --> 1:22:22.840
<v Speaker 2>look even even KD or book guys like that who

1:22:23.000 --> 1:22:24.879
<v Speaker 2>like to play in the mid post like I would

1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I would still enjoy that part of it. So all right, guys, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you. Guys wrapping it up once again, Ao,

1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:39.639
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you. And Hey, before we move into further,

1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:43.240
<v Speaker 2>do you have any anything, any projects, anything coming out

1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:45.880
<v Speaker 2>you want to kind of promote. Man, let I feel

1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:48.599
<v Speaker 2>like we need to do that for you. Man, what

1:22:48.640 --> 1:22:49.320
<v Speaker 2>you got, Man.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate it. I've been in mogile mode. So right

1:22:53.520 --> 1:22:57.599
<v Speaker 5>now I'm focused on the redevelopment downtown thirty five thousand

1:22:57.640 --> 1:23:02.439
<v Speaker 5>square feet. It'll be a two performance venues, course, a

1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:08.519
<v Speaker 5>recording studio five thousand square feet, education space, uh, coworking space,

1:23:08.600 --> 1:23:14.519
<v Speaker 5>a food hall. And then right now I'm about three

1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:18.840
<v Speaker 5>to four weeks out from finishing my first it's really headquarters,

1:23:18.880 --> 1:23:25.519
<v Speaker 5>but it'll be an additional two recording studios there, photography studio,

1:23:26.320 --> 1:23:29.640
<v Speaker 5>podcast space, things like that, and then of course you know,

1:23:29.800 --> 1:23:32.760
<v Speaker 5>still producing. Uh when I.

1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Have two new music for any new projects, Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't talk about Dang, Yes.

1:23:40.680 --> 1:23:43.040
<v Speaker 2>You can't talk about you can't talk about on the way.

1:23:43.080 --> 1:23:44.400
<v Speaker 5>That's other way. It's a lot of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love it. I love it on

1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:47.599
<v Speaker 2>the way, Joe, anything for.

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<v Speaker 4>You, nice new Man, just.

1:23:50.800 --> 1:23:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Just doing what you do. Man. Yeah, well yeah, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>Well I'll say, Joe, I appreciate you know who you are,

1:23:56.280 --> 1:23:58.719
<v Speaker 2>what you do for for now on the community, but

1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:02.040
<v Speaker 2>to our to the young kids and how you coach

1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:06.519
<v Speaker 2>those kids. And obviously you have some success stories in

1:24:07.120 --> 1:24:12.200
<v Speaker 2>college right now, making ways one of your players top

1:24:12.320 --> 1:24:20.559
<v Speaker 2>five in scoring now at LSU. Just doing great things.

1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:22.439
<v Speaker 2>So keep up the good work. And Ao, same thing

1:24:22.439 --> 1:24:25.880
<v Speaker 2>with you, I know the development, Like I mean you

1:24:25.960 --> 1:24:28.400
<v Speaker 2>just said it right there. You're creating spaces and opportunities

1:24:28.400 --> 1:24:31.840
<v Speaker 2>for other people, not just yourself, to really give them

1:24:31.840 --> 1:24:34.120
<v Speaker 2>a chance to get on. Because that's one thing I've

1:24:34.160 --> 1:24:37.000
<v Speaker 2>always been comfortable with in my skin is I know

1:24:37.040 --> 1:24:38.400
<v Speaker 2>who I am and I know what I bring to

1:24:38.439 --> 1:24:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the table into the game, but I was always willing

1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:44.439
<v Speaker 2>to help other people if I can give them or

1:24:44.520 --> 1:24:48.760
<v Speaker 2>drop some knowledge or share some things on approach that

1:24:48.960 --> 1:24:53.479
<v Speaker 2>may take them to another level or start that process.

1:24:53.479 --> 1:24:56.000
<v Speaker 2>So you're kind of kind of doing that right now,

1:24:56.040 --> 1:24:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and Joe you've been doing that. So thank you again

1:24:58.400 --> 1:25:01.320
<v Speaker 2>man for what you guys. Dude Man shout out to

1:25:01.400 --> 1:25:09.160
<v Speaker 2>the cool everybody, Chef KP Roddaz all you guys. Man

1:25:09.720 --> 1:25:11.759
<v Speaker 2>thank you guys for listening. Man, these are my boys.

1:25:11.800 --> 1:25:13.320
<v Speaker 2>This is what we do. This is what we're talking

1:25:13.320 --> 1:25:37.559
<v Speaker 2>about the VC show. We out. Let's go all right,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the Upper Room Playoff dunk of the week, and

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<v Speaker 2>it goes to mister nas Reed, who had a big fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>well third and fourth quarter for the Timberwolves to put

1:25:49.640 --> 1:25:53.960
<v Speaker 2>them in the Western Conference Final. His putback dunk over

1:25:54.040 --> 1:26:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Yokic goes a little something like this. The interesting thing

1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:15.160
<v Speaker 2>about this dunk, if you look at it, nas Is

1:26:15.160 --> 1:26:21.439
<v Speaker 2>gonna take off with one foot, makes the adjustment quickly

1:26:21.479 --> 1:26:24.160
<v Speaker 2>and goes to two feet and catches it. And yes,

1:26:24.200 --> 1:26:29.840
<v Speaker 2>he uses Yolkis for a little lift. But at the

1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:33.439
<v Speaker 2>same time that is a big athletic movie. You see.

1:26:33.439 --> 1:26:36.480
<v Speaker 2>They're taking off no adjust too, catches it off the

1:26:36.560 --> 1:26:38.800
<v Speaker 2>one hand. And he had two putbacks and this was

1:26:39.200 --> 1:26:41.280
<v Speaker 2>one of two. He caught one from the baseline. But

1:26:41.800 --> 1:26:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I was impressed by this dunk for the simple fact

1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:48.320
<v Speaker 2>of as he goes down, he had it in his

1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:50.759
<v Speaker 2>mind he was taking off with one, but he needed

1:26:50.800 --> 1:26:55.559
<v Speaker 2>to re adjust a little bit. Made for a pretty

1:26:55.600 --> 1:26:58.280
<v Speaker 2>good dunk, pretty good highlight, and obviously a great win.

1:26:59.560 --> 1:27:02.640
<v Speaker 2>So I get my Upper Room Playoff Dunk of the

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<v Speaker 2>Week to nasried. Congratulations. So my next one is who

1:27:08.880 --> 1:27:11.679
<v Speaker 2>did I run into this week? Well, I know before

1:27:12.000 --> 1:27:16.439
<v Speaker 2>I said yes, I ran into the TNT crew getting

1:27:16.479 --> 1:27:20.240
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to work with the crew. But this week

1:27:20.520 --> 1:27:24.400
<v Speaker 2>was a little different. I got to participate in the

1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Black Masters for the second time, finished second or third

1:27:28.720 --> 1:27:35.559
<v Speaker 2>and twenty nineteen, and this year I was coming to

1:27:35.640 --> 1:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>win the thing and then mister Charles Barkley shout out

1:27:40.000 --> 1:27:44.759
<v Speaker 2>to Chuck. He gave me some extra motivation. They didn't

1:27:44.960 --> 1:27:51.120
<v Speaker 2>show the part where he basically was just saying there

1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:54.040
<v Speaker 2>was nobody there that had a chance, and he guaranteed

1:27:54.080 --> 1:27:55.600
<v Speaker 2>them to win. You know how that goes. When he

1:27:55.640 --> 1:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>guaranteed there, he is guaranteeing again. And I have to

1:28:00.360 --> 1:28:04.800
<v Speaker 2>say I had a great time. Shout out to Underdog,

1:28:05.880 --> 1:28:09.759
<v Speaker 2>who was a Volusia count of boy, which is obviously

1:28:09.840 --> 1:28:12.280
<v Speaker 2>right outside of Dayton in my area. I think he's

1:28:12.280 --> 1:28:16.879
<v Speaker 2>from Barbarville. So yes, the two Volusia kind of boys,

1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:23.519
<v Speaker 2>Volucia County boys linked up and had a memorable, great round.

1:28:23.600 --> 1:28:26.360
<v Speaker 2>I think we shot a seventy four as a team

1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:29.479
<v Speaker 2>and chucking those shot at eighty, which that you know

1:28:30.080 --> 1:28:32.479
<v Speaker 2>they gave us our proximate. They didn't, but they chose

1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:35.760
<v Speaker 2>not to tell the score. But I'm here to tell you,

1:28:36.760 --> 1:28:41.720
<v Speaker 2>and we had two big moments. Underdog wasn't great off

1:28:41.720 --> 1:28:45.439
<v Speaker 2>the team, but I'll tell you what. He hit two

1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:51.240
<v Speaker 2>huge putts. One was for Eagle. If you see right here,

1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:56.040
<v Speaker 2>this putt right here was for Eagle. I hit it

1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>up on the up on the green. In two and

1:28:58.920 --> 1:29:02.839
<v Speaker 2>he hit a twenty five thirty footer. I'm talking about nothing.

1:29:03.840 --> 1:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>But they were pissed because right here in that video

1:29:05.960 --> 1:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>they're showing Underdog putting into the into the saale last year.

1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:12.800
<v Speaker 2>I was like, hey, it was this teammate. I think

1:29:12.840 --> 1:29:15.320
<v Speaker 2>his Chuck. Chuck was his teammate last year, and he

1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:16.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't you know, he ain't coach this guy. He just

1:29:17.000 --> 1:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>let him go out there and suffer. And this year

1:29:20.280 --> 1:29:22.559
<v Speaker 2>we got it together. We had a game plan, we

1:29:22.600 --> 1:29:26.639
<v Speaker 2>executed our game plan got to eighteen, which, by the way, folks,

1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>we had it in hand. And you see right there

1:29:30.680 --> 1:29:34.160
<v Speaker 2>throwing on the black Master's jacket with a pretty darn

1:29:34.200 --> 1:29:37.479
<v Speaker 2>interesting logo of Chuck and his old swing. But I

1:29:37.520 --> 1:29:42.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted Underdog to enjoy that moment as well, because I

1:29:42.840 --> 1:29:47.160
<v Speaker 2>tell you what his eagle. We were even through nine holes,

1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:52.479
<v Speaker 2>we eagled ten and we took off from there to

1:29:52.560 --> 1:29:57.040
<v Speaker 2>win by six shots. We hit our stride getting to

1:29:57.080 --> 1:29:59.679
<v Speaker 2>put that jacket on. It was a pretty good feeling

1:29:59.720 --> 1:30:02.839
<v Speaker 2>because Chuck had to give a speech and at eighteen

1:30:04.520 --> 1:30:06.479
<v Speaker 2>I went for the bomb just so I can say

1:30:06.520 --> 1:30:11.840
<v Speaker 2>it's over, ladies and gentlemen, it's over. And for that

1:30:12.880 --> 1:30:17.000
<v Speaker 2>it is over, I get to be a champ and

1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:23.519
<v Speaker 2>the Black Masters shout out to Ernie, Chuck Keith, Underdog, Eric,

1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Ernie's son. We had a good time and that there

1:30:28.560 --> 1:30:31.880
<v Speaker 2>is who I ran into this week becoming the Black

1:30:31.960 --> 1:30:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Masters champion. And my last one for the day is

1:30:38.160 --> 1:30:41.040
<v Speaker 2>my shoutout. First, I'm gonna give a shout out to

1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Trevor Emmerlman, who I also ran into, and he was

1:30:46.360 --> 1:30:52.280
<v Speaker 2>on the call for this historic, great moment for Xander Shoffley,

1:30:52.960 --> 1:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>who my shoutout goes to winning his first major at

1:30:56.760 --> 1:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Valhalla and it was a amazing particularly his second shot.

1:31:03.360 --> 1:31:09.640
<v Speaker 2>If you guys remember, he hits it little left. See here,

1:31:10.000 --> 1:31:12.760
<v Speaker 2>drive goes a little left in that first in that

1:31:12.840 --> 1:31:17.000
<v Speaker 2>rough right there he has two feet in the sand,

1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:21.880
<v Speaker 2>hits the ball right in front of the green for

1:31:21.920 --> 1:31:26.519
<v Speaker 2>a great chip or bumping run, whatever he chose. He

1:31:26.560 --> 1:31:29.960
<v Speaker 2>goes to kind of a bumping run, got it to stop,

1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and for a tour player, that's an easy one.

1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:35.120
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time you're talking about winning your

1:31:35.160 --> 1:31:38.280
<v Speaker 2>first major. You see it goes left and he almost

1:31:38.640 --> 1:31:42.040
<v Speaker 2>had the toilet bowl. If he doesn't make that, he

1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>goes obviously into extra holes against Bryson d. Chambeau, who

1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:50.840
<v Speaker 2>was warming up seemed like he was hitting bombs ready

1:31:50.840 --> 1:31:56.400
<v Speaker 2>to go. I mean, it's amazing to see the tour

1:31:56.439 --> 1:32:00.479
<v Speaker 2>players and we expect them to kind of do what

1:32:00.520 --> 1:32:03.280
<v Speaker 2>they do, and when we're in these situations, we look

1:32:03.320 --> 1:32:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and we're like, there's no way. Just imagine look at

1:32:06.160 --> 1:32:09.559
<v Speaker 2>all those people in the background having to deal with

1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:15.040
<v Speaker 2>that hone your emotions and knock down this putt. Amazing.

1:32:15.640 --> 1:32:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I did get the chance to see and watch, while

1:32:17.960 --> 1:32:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I say, watch Xander win the gold medal at the

1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Olympics as well. So he's accomplished some great things in

1:32:25.960 --> 1:32:29.840
<v Speaker 2>his career. Obviously had a rough finish. He ran into

1:32:29.880 --> 1:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>a bus saw with Rory McElroy the week before in Charlotte,

1:32:37.200 --> 1:32:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and for him to really bounce back and just kind

1:32:41.920 --> 1:32:46.320
<v Speaker 2>of get it done against the naysayers saying can he finish?

1:32:47.200 --> 1:32:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Says a lot about him and his character and is

1:32:50.080 --> 1:32:53.320
<v Speaker 2>able His ability to rise up and get it done

1:32:53.400 --> 1:32:55.920
<v Speaker 2>in a big moment, particularly after what has happened to

1:32:56.000 --> 1:32:59.800
<v Speaker 2>him before. So shout out to Xander Shoftley for his

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<v Speaker 2>first major And those were my clips of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you once again enjoyed this episode. In every

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<v Speaker 2>episode we put out, hope you learned a lot. Enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Carrying this conversation onto your barbershop, to your couch, around

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<v Speaker 2>the neighborhood, talk about it, enjoy it. Kick your feet

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<v Speaker 2>up once again. Man the VC Show, We're out, will

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<v Speaker 2>see you next week. Let's go