Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for Amazon Primes Batman The
Speaker 1: Caped Crusader episodes one through four. Hello, my name is
Speaker 1: Jason Sepsione.
Speaker 2: And I am Danny Fernandez, and.
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Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're gonna be breaking down the first
Speaker 1: four episodes of Batman Cape Crusader. I'm gonna be helped
Speaker 1: in that regard by the wonderful Danny Fernandez. Danny, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for helping us out.
Speaker 2: I am so excited to talk about our detective. Here.
Speaker 1: Let's throw up the bat single Batman Caped Crusader on
Speaker 1: Amazon Prime Video, the spiritual and emotional descendant of Batman,
Speaker 1: the original animated series. Let's get into it. It's we
Speaker 1: start with episode one in Treacherous Waters, story by Bruce
Speaker 1: tim written by Jace Ricci, directed by Christina Soda. Danny,
Speaker 1: we have explosions going off across Gotham City. What do
Speaker 1: you think the rent is in Gotham sty like a
Speaker 1: normal studio apartment.
Speaker 2: I felt like it's actually not bad. Renee Montoya keeps,
Speaker 2: you know, hinting how horrible, and she loves it. She
Speaker 2: loves how you know, gritty this town is, and the
Speaker 2: wealthier people should not be here. So I feel it's pretty,
Speaker 2: it's pretty cheap. I do have to say, I'm obsessed
Speaker 2: with this art in the like nineteen forties vibe. They
Speaker 2: just knocked it out of the planet.
Speaker 1: Could not agree more So, Explosions are ripping across Gotham City.
Speaker 1: There is some sort of new gang war opening up
Speaker 1: against Rupert Thorne, mob boss extraordinaire. Of course, the Batman
Speaker 1: gets involved. Meanwhile, in the Halls of Justice, Harvey Dent
Speaker 1: clashing with Rising Day Barbara Gordon Batman wanting to find
Speaker 1: out more about why are the cops not getting involved
Speaker 1: in the explosions, What do they know about it? Why
Speaker 1: is why are details of these explosions not reaching the news, Dabby,
Speaker 1: I think it's because the cops are corrupt.
Speaker 2: They just might be. Yeah, that feels very Gothamy of
Speaker 2: them and something that Batman Bruce Wayne should know.
Speaker 1: So he breaks into PD starts looking around. Then he
Speaker 1: takes a dirty cop dangles of what to find out, Oh,
Speaker 1: you know who's behind this? And he gets the name
Speaker 1: of Oswalde cobble Pot Oswalde Love Love oswalda rising criminal
Speaker 1: in the mafia hierarchy of Gotham City and also quite
Speaker 1: a talented singer, yeah in her own right, also known
Speaker 1: as the Penguin. To find out more, Bruce attends a
Speaker 1: party on Coblepots floating club. The Iceberg Lounge looks pretty swanky.
Speaker 1: Also in attendance Commissioner Gordon. Why is Commissioner is he?
Speaker 2: Just look at the talent? The city is incestuous. Everyone
Speaker 2: knows each other. I will say that everyone knows each
Speaker 2: other in this city.
Speaker 1: These are the problems that the Batman has created himself
Speaker 1: to deal with. So Commissioner Gordon is there? Barbara is there?
Speaker 1: Harvey Dent? Is there? A lot of Gotham's high societies
Speaker 1: at the Iceberg Lounge. The Penguin tries to not very
Speaker 1: subtly troll Thorn, like, oh, it's crazy, all these explosions
Speaker 1: targeting your various headquarters, like what's going on? But then
Speaker 1: Thorn lets slip that actually, like I know all about it.
Speaker 1: I know what's going on because I have an informant
Speaker 1: in the gang of whoever it might be that's coming
Speaker 1: against me, and the penguin goes fucking nuts. She figures
Speaker 1: the leak is one of her two sons. It's either Aaron,
Speaker 1: her favorite, or Ronald, the more nervous one, and of
Speaker 1: course she kills Aaron, her favorite, but of course it
Speaker 1: truth it's Ronald.
Speaker 2: Honestly, this happening on the first episode was insane. I
Speaker 2: literally thought Batman was gonna be insane.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, do we just get e merge
Speaker 1: straight out a child right away?
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he's like in high school. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. And also Thorn just like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't care what happened to this kid. I mean that
Speaker 2: was wow, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Very very rough. Ronald fearing for his life and naturally
Speaker 1: so flees. He goes to the cops for protection. They
Speaker 1: basically laugh at him. He goes to Barbara Gordon, who
Speaker 1: he I was shocked at how hard Ronald actually had
Speaker 1: to pitch himself as an informant to the DA's office,
Speaker 1: Like He's like, I know a murders, like I know
Speaker 1: about all this crime stuff, and Barber's like, I don't
Speaker 1: really like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: They're just doing their job. Jason. Okay, they're just doing
Speaker 2: their job.
Speaker 1: That's true. Ronald spills all the beans to the Gordons about,
Speaker 1: you know, basically how his mother, the Penguin, is creating
Speaker 1: these explosions. Basically they have like an artillery gun, like
Speaker 1: they have a mortar that they have on top of
Speaker 1: a building, and they're just like firing at whatever target
Speaker 1: they want.
Speaker 2: So how would you not see?
Speaker 1: How would you not see? How this is how decrepit
Speaker 1: Gotham is.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Every day it's like someone is shelling various points in
Speaker 1: the city and we can't figure out why. We Well,
Speaker 1: the Penguin, now understanding that her son is informing, decides, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shell the police station. Okay. Batman gets extremely
Speaker 1: active to foil the plan. Meanwhile, the Gordons rush to
Speaker 1: evacuate the police station. And it's a good thing too,
Speaker 1: because Batman, this is Batman. You're one Batman maybe like
Speaker 1: Batman Month three, Batman, Like.
Speaker 2: We disagree about that?
Speaker 1: You do tell me why you think?
Speaker 2: Because he has a whole layer like, there's no, this
Speaker 2: is not year one Batman. He did not have that
Speaker 2: suit Okay, he was like very kick ass attire. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say that much like even what we saw, not
Speaker 2: to spoil, but ahead of Catwoman. When I saw her outfit,
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you would die like she it's like
Speaker 2: a dress with like I'm like, okay, yeah, that's her
Speaker 2: day one. This Batman, though, has figured some stuff out.
Speaker 2: He's been doing this for at least.
Speaker 1: Two years, you think two years now.
Speaker 2: Also his mobile, you don't have that.
Speaker 1: Day sick rich guy, but rich guys, it's just like
Speaker 1: you just like I'll get the mobile.
Speaker 2: Like he had like a what is something he had,
Speaker 2: like a Ferrari that he put bat ears on.
Speaker 1: He had like a yeah, it was like a like
Speaker 1: a Porsche or a Ferrari or something. Yeah, like a
Speaker 1: Bentley that said ears. Here's my argument. Not a lot
Speaker 1: of people seem to be aware that the Batman is
Speaker 1: is out there working. The cops have yet to target him. Okay,
Speaker 1: Selena is like known as a sketchy person but hasn't
Speaker 1: gone full Catwoman yet, and they don't know each other
Speaker 1: yet personally, and so it feels, let's put it anywhere
Speaker 1: within the first two years, but it's certainly very early
Speaker 1: in his crime fighting career. He's still getting the hang
Speaker 1: of stuff. Although to your point, has the wonderful bat caves,
Speaker 1: all his weapons, has all the weapons, has like the
Speaker 1: tactical like beat out board, and all the computer stuff,
Speaker 1: so he has like all he does have all.
Speaker 2: The hardware preseason preseason football.
Speaker 1: So Batman does manage to like stop the penguin, but
Speaker 1: the penguin gets a shell off levels the police station
Speaker 1: and Barbara has to tell her dad, Commissioner Gordon, that yes,
Speaker 1: the Batman is real. Bump bump, bump back home. Batman
Speaker 1: is like Alfred I failed, which she shelled the police station.
Speaker 1: I didn't catch any criminals. I did fight like a
Speaker 1: couple of hench people, and that's it. I fucked up.
Speaker 1: I love the kind of very dark, almost bittersweet tone
Speaker 1: of this episode in the overall series, where it's like
Speaker 1: Batman kind of like fighting against the tide. It's like
Speaker 1: unclear that he's actually making a dent in any of
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do love that he like, you know, there's
Speaker 2: a scene where he like punches out the cops later
Speaker 2: on and they're like, are you sure you want that
Speaker 2: in the paper.
Speaker 1: He's like sure.
Speaker 2: I love I love morally ambiguous characters, and I love
Speaker 2: that about Batman. I love that he takes the law
Speaker 2: into his own hands, which technically makes him a villain.
Speaker 2: Whenever people I'm such a troll, I've also written for DC,
Speaker 2: so I feel like I'm allowed to say this. But
Speaker 2: whenever I'm such a troll that whenever people post, well,
Speaker 2: who is your favorite DC villain, I always say Batman
Speaker 2: and people won't get so mad. He's the best villain.
Speaker 2: He's a billionaire who has convinced you to be to
Speaker 2: root for him. That's a villain.
Speaker 1: I mean he is absolutely he's certainly outside of the law. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think definitionly, you're absolutely correct. Not only is
Speaker 1: he outside of the law, he is doing stuff because
Speaker 1: he's a psycho like. He is doing this because he
Speaker 1: is an unhinged human being. Right as this show will
Speaker 1: delve into, we continue episode one on two and be
Speaker 1: Villain written by Greg Rucka, directed by Matt Peters. Actress
Speaker 1: extraordinaire noted scream Queen Yvonne Francis goes missing the police
Speaker 1: dragon Bruce Wayne, local billionaire, because Bruce went on a
Speaker 1: date with her, As of course Bruce did. Bruce is
Speaker 1: eager to keep the family name out of this, and
Speaker 1: money is no object. He tells Detective Montoya, who renamed
Speaker 1: Montoya currently on the case. Montoya is like, how fucking
Speaker 1: dare you? Your fucking piece of shit? Are you fucking kidding?
Speaker 1: You're lucky I don't bring you in right now. If
Speaker 1: I didn't have a million other things to do, I'd
Speaker 1: bring you it, you fucking asshole, How dare you? Which,
Speaker 1: of course Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 2: Loves he loves a feisty woman.
Speaker 1: In the middle of the interview, Lucius Fox, Wayne's attorney
Speaker 1: shows up and is like, A you're talking about client,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Shut it down? Wayne? Of course, like
Speaker 1: you know, puts a little star next to Montoya's name,
Speaker 1: knowing that maybe this is someone I can ally with
Speaker 1: in the future. Montoya brings her investigation to Basil Carlow.
Speaker 1: A love the name.
Speaker 2: I love the name, great mouse, detective.
Speaker 1: Love that noted actor in many horror films. And a
Speaker 1: guy who's aging. I think he looks great, but let's
Speaker 1: just put it out there right now. It's part of
Speaker 1: the plots. He's getting up there. He isn't naturally aging.
Speaker 2: Jason. I think you're part of the plot is that
Speaker 2: he's just always been ugly to people. Okay, I think
Speaker 2: he I like, what's so funny? Yeah, back in the forties,
Speaker 2: you can't look like this. But now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: he could have worked. I don't know, like Alan Rickman,
Speaker 2: who I think is more attractive, but like very Alan
Speaker 2: Rickman vibes so Bori.
Speaker 1: Basil is an ugly guy. Renee gets to Basil's apart
Speaker 1: but just nowhere just want to.
Speaker 2: Say, It's like, yeah, only you weren't so ugly, Like
Speaker 2: that's how the whole episode is, like, like his career
Speaker 2: and his love life is like, you would be if
Speaker 2: you weren't so ugly, you would be.
Speaker 1: The You'd be the greatest star of this, of stage
Speaker 1: and screen, Basle, if only if the folds in your
Speaker 1: face weren't so so dramatic. Renna hears him cry out.
Speaker 1: She goes in. He stabbed the death Batman chases the murderer,
Speaker 1: who is this weirdo with a mangled face under a
Speaker 1: red scarf. Murderer gets away. Elsewhere, we see that Yvonne
Speaker 1: is chained up in a luxurious bedroom and her captors
Speaker 1: are applying makeup to her horrific situation. Later red Scarf
Speaker 1: Guy kills the head of Monuscope Pictures, where Yvonne worked.
Speaker 1: Montoya learns that the late Basle was concerned about how
Speaker 1: ugly he was, and also, I have to say, was
Speaker 1: treat like the way people talked about it about it
Speaker 1: was terrible, right.
Speaker 2: Right, they're like gaslighting him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just totally gaslighting about it, and it's it's horrible.
Speaker 1: And desperate for better roles to be that that star
Speaker 1: that he always imagined himself to be, he went so
Speaker 1: far as to pursue some sort of experimental facial treatment
Speaker 1: that may or may not have been some sort of
Speaker 1: scam some clear if it word. Batman confronts the mass
Speaker 1: man on the studio a lot. It's clear that this
Speaker 1: mass person has access to the studio a lot. Somehow,
Speaker 1: they duel with swords on the set and a wonderful,
Speaker 1: so incredible set piece that really like.
Speaker 2: There was a shit where the shadows were dueling so great.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was so cool, shades of like, uh, the
Speaker 1: the thirties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Three Musketeers or Costner's Robin Hood where they
Speaker 2: yield in a little castle.
Speaker 1: So so cool. Unfortunately, the set collapses on Batman and
Speaker 1: the man gets away. Under the set, Batman finds two
Speaker 1: of the people that Detective Montoya had recently interviewed, like
Speaker 1: less than an hour ago, and they're dead. Montoya goes
Speaker 1: to see the doctor Ellman, this seemingly crooked plastic surgeon
Speaker 1: that had been dealing with mister Carlo. Meanwhile, Batman discovers
Speaker 1: that the late mister Carlo, who has a rubber, very
Speaker 1: rubbery face, is in fact not Carlo. Is Carlo the killer?
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Doctor Ellman turns out to be
Speaker 1: Carlo in disguise. He takes Detective Montoya prisoner. He tells
Speaker 1: her the whole story. Ellman gave him the miracle cure,
Speaker 1: and for a time it worked, for a very it
Speaker 1: he looked great, he looked wonderful, looked incredible.
Speaker 2: You just couldn't be in eighty degree weather.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or his face would melt, which it quickly did.
Speaker 1: After he goes to see Yvonne to say, look how
Speaker 1: great I look, she rejects Carlo his a face. His
Speaker 1: face immediately just starts like melting and sloughing and changing shape.
Speaker 1: Carlo can now mold his face to impersonate anyone. But obviously,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned heat is heat and prolonged exposure to.
Speaker 2: Sunlight again heartbreak apparently, Yeah, like his emotional status is
Speaker 2: a problem.
Speaker 1: He next plans to dramatically murder Yvonne to become the
Speaker 1: villain that he believes himself that he's gonna murder her
Speaker 1: in this very Edgar Allan pope hit in a pendulum
Speaker 1: kind of way. And I love what happens next. Yvonne,
Speaker 1: facing danger and death, fucking goes in on Basil, like, no,
Speaker 1: you know what, I didn't The performance was thin, it's weak.
Speaker 1: I don't buy you as a as a villain, as
Speaker 1: a evil mastermind. I'm just not getting it. I'm not
Speaker 1: It's not there, Basil.
Speaker 2: I love it. All you have to do is turn
Speaker 2: down men and they crumble.
Speaker 1: Heat and Basil, Basil absolutely crumbles. Montoya frees Yvonne as
Speaker 1: Batman shows up, defeats Basil. Montoya tries to take Batman
Speaker 1: in of course, after the end of all this, but
Speaker 1: of course he slips away once again. The Batman is free.
Speaker 1: What a wonderful episode.
Speaker 2: I love I love the called old Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, and the the you know, the
Speaker 1: the continuing nods to the pulpy nature of this series,
Speaker 1: which again is not a actual sequel to the original
Speaker 1: Batman animated series, but like, spiritually it feels as if, like,
Speaker 1: did you love Batman the animated series when you were
Speaker 1: a kid? Can you imagine if I was like, no,
Speaker 1: but this is like you loved it when you were
Speaker 1: a kid, and now here's this and it's grown up
Speaker 1: thematically at least with you, even though you could still like.
Speaker 2: It's grown up thematically, but yes, you can still and
Speaker 2: that's great that. I mean, that's what I think is
Speaker 2: really nice with quote unquote like kids, Like they don't
Speaker 2: want to watch something that's made for twelve year olds.
Speaker 2: They want to watch the thing that's made for adults
Speaker 2: that there is still accessible to them and treats them,
Speaker 2: you know, like they're intelligent. So it's a full family affair,
Speaker 2: except for the fact that Bruce Wayne has to let
Speaker 2: everyone know that he's constantly getting laid, which I'm obsessed with.
Speaker 1: I'm like constantly talking about constantly like sorry.
Speaker 2: It was up late with a woman last night. You
Speaker 2: just you know, I love that he's dated everybody in town.
Speaker 2: It's very ancestor to his town. It's it's it's funny
Speaker 2: because Gotham so isolated and it feels like a small
Speaker 2: like Texas town, even though it's a city. It's a
Speaker 2: full blown city, but everybody knows each other. You cannot escape.
Speaker 2: It's Hotel California.
Speaker 1: Ye. This brings us to I think my favorite episode
Speaker 1: of this first four episodes of the season, Kiss of
Speaker 1: the Cat Woman, story by Edbrew Baker and Bruce tim
Speaker 1: written by a Dama Ebo.
Speaker 2: And Adona, who are very good friends of mine. They're
Speaker 2: the EPs of a show that I'm developing, and they
Speaker 2: wrote two. I think they wrote two episodes. I haven't
Speaker 2: finished the full season, but I've at least seen their
Speaker 2: name twice.
Speaker 1: Directed by Christopher Berkeley. We open it a at the
Speaker 1: museum where there is this wonderful exhibit of fine jewelry
Speaker 1: and of course suspected jewel thiefs. Lena Kyle is there,
Speaker 1: as is Bruce Wayne. They strike up a conversation, very
Speaker 1: flirty conversation. Of course, she asks him out. She's like,
Speaker 1: don't you think it's time? Like you've dated everybody else
Speaker 1: ran through this whole town.
Speaker 2: Why has he not? I would like to know what's
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: Uh, this incredible chemistry is interrupted when Wayne overhears a
Speaker 1: reporter making a cruel but honestly not that out of
Speaker 1: pocket remark about the Wayne's end the wisdom of sauntering
Speaker 1: into crime Ali wearing all your fucking jewelry. I do
Speaker 1: have to say this is it's victim blaming, but I
Speaker 1: guess it's victim blaming.
Speaker 2: Yes, and this is a noted you know joke repeatedly
Speaker 2: in Batman canon and Batman movies and shows about them
Speaker 2: going into which I want to say, it's not actually
Speaker 2: crime alley is what it's the nickname for it, exus Like,
Speaker 2: why would you go into crime aalley?
Speaker 1: It's not it was not actually crime alley Like all this,
Speaker 1: although they are.
Speaker 2: Pretty there is an Edward e Enigma. I wonder who
Speaker 2: did it. I wonder if it's Edward Enigma. There are
Speaker 2: stuff like that in Batman. But yeah, it's not actually
Speaker 2: crime Ali, and it is victim blaming. Jason should be
Speaker 2: allowed to wear what she wants. It's correct, wherever she wants.
Speaker 1: That's right. Bruce snaps punches the guy and has to
Speaker 1: attend court ordered anger manager because of this, so he
Speaker 1: ends up at the therapist's office, and his therapist is
Speaker 1: doctor doctor Quinzel, pre clown Harley Quinn. And these are
Speaker 1: my favorite scenes of these of the of the season
Speaker 1: so far. I just love Bruce absolutely dodging therapy, acting
Speaker 1: like he shouldn't be there. He has not like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. What are you talking about? My sex life
Speaker 1: is is popping off? Donnie? You can't meat meat problems? What?
Speaker 2: I am fine? I am past it.
Speaker 1: Yes, my parents were brutally slain in front of my eyes.
Speaker 1: I moved on from that. And I moved on from that,
Speaker 1: you know, by by diving into the welcoming all arms
Speaker 1: of every woman in Gotham City and rub and I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. Later in the car ride from the office,
Speaker 1: Alfred is like, you know been. I have been wanting
Speaker 1: you to go to therapy for a while. I hope
Speaker 1: you take it. How was it? And Bruce is just
Speaker 1: like shut the flock.
Speaker 2: He's like, drop it, drop it. Honestly, that's kind of
Speaker 2: on Alfred though he should have taken him to therapy
Speaker 2: when he was little, Like that's a little on Alfred,
Speaker 2: I will have to.
Speaker 1: Say completely agree with you. I would say it's a
Speaker 1: lot on Alfred, who has been from the flashbags. We
Speaker 1: know a betting Master Wades diversions and his toxic response
Speaker 1: to trauma has been absolutely supporting this all the way.
Speaker 1: That said, I get it. Alfred's in a tough spot.
Speaker 1: He needs the job and he does care about Master Wade,
Speaker 1: but still he gets shut it. I mean, Bruce shuts
Speaker 1: him the fuck down. He's like, yeah, it's fucking this.
Speaker 1: This lady's trying to get in my head that I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let her in my head. Out her job,
Speaker 1: it is literally what she's there to do. He opens
Speaker 1: up his file that he got from doctor Quinzell and
Speaker 1: he get in. There's a little card in there. Basically
Speaker 1: the doc is like, you know, you know, please come back,
Speaker 1: like I think we're getting somewhere, and Bruce clearly receives
Speaker 1: this as ladies, they can't they can't stop, they can't
Speaker 1: stop coming for Big b.
Speaker 2: Are you saying he's the guy that thinks the stripper
Speaker 2: likes him.
Speaker 1: There's a side of Bruce Wayne and it's like, here
Speaker 1: we go again.
Speaker 2: They're coming out, ladies.
Speaker 1: What can I do?
Speaker 2: I have to say, I do think that doctor Quinzel
Speaker 2: would sleep with him, so I it might happen. Her
Speaker 2: boundaries are you know she doesn't have any boundaries? What Harley.
Speaker 1: The very skilled, But yeah, I think the boundaries or
Speaker 1: an issue. Later in Selina Kyle's still luxurious apartment, do
Speaker 1: we see that Greta, her domestic is, you know, giving
Speaker 1: her shit for back payments and the fact that the
Speaker 1: bills aren't paid and clearly money is an issue. Taking
Speaker 1: inspiration from Batman, Selena makes her first catwoman costume and
Speaker 1: then immediately goes on a fucking hot streak of jewel.
Speaker 1: Heis like knocking off places left and right. She's like
Speaker 1: raking it in. After evading the cops on her latest heist,
Speaker 1: she finds herself face to face with Batman, who she's like, hello, I.
Speaker 2: Know it would be hot, yeah, both of them, cause plane, yeah,
Speaker 2: are you feeling this?
Speaker 1: Bats By the only one that's feeling this. Batman trips
Speaker 1: her with a bowlo wire and she gets arrested. Selena,
Speaker 1: it's unmasked and everybody's like, oh my god, it's Selena Kyle.
Speaker 1: We get various bat story flashbacks, which.
Speaker 2: Is played by Christina Ricci.
Speaker 1: Yes, Christina Ricci in a one full performance. I actually
Speaker 1: love the flashbacks to the Night of the Wayne murders.
Speaker 1: I think this is a.
Speaker 2: Someone should make. Someone should make a montage of every
Speaker 2: time we've seen crime out, every time we see those
Speaker 2: those pearls. It's the funniest thing being a Batman for like.
Speaker 1: Two hours long.
Speaker 2: The second you see that, you saw those pearls and
Speaker 2: him standing across from that. At the start of the thing,
Speaker 2: you knew exactly what those were.
Speaker 1: Here we go. I will say that I think that
Speaker 1: this show has delved into the psyche and the trauma
Speaker 1: in an interesting way that I didn't necessarily expect for
Speaker 1: this for this particular show, and I think they did
Speaker 1: it pretty well. I mean, you can't help but of
Speaker 1: course here we are watching the murder, you don't really
Speaker 1: see the murders again, but like seeing it through Bruce's eyes,
Speaker 1: I thought was pretty well.
Speaker 2: It also, like I'm joking obviously, because we want, like
Speaker 2: like we said, the twelve and thirteen year olds and
Speaker 2: like the people who are going to be this is
Speaker 2: their first Batman show that they're gonna to be watching,
Speaker 2: they need that. But I do I do want to
Speaker 2: say I relate so much to Selena Kyle making the
Speaker 2: most like having the heels, she still has heels she
Speaker 2: has a slit up her thing. It's like every time
Speaker 2: I see capes now I think of Edna Mode. I
Speaker 2: can't not think of Edna Mode with the like wow
Speaker 2: that you could die very quickly. I love that she
Speaker 2: still has to look hot, incredibly hot. I relate to
Speaker 2: that because I'd be like, what what matters? More like
Speaker 2: me escaping the crime or when they get my photo.
Speaker 1: It's got to look good, you have to say in
Speaker 1: the heels not a problem for her at all, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: she is able to leap fences, she is climbing, sheer face,
Speaker 1: brick wall, she's diving. I don't want it. It's not
Speaker 1: an issue for her. If she looks great and she
Speaker 1: is great at stealing those jewels. We get that flashback
Speaker 1: and then we cut to more therapy with doctor Qrinzel
Speaker 1: and Bruce is like, again, a fucking great what Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I understand my parents burned. I'm fine quick with all that,
Speaker 1: like looking as why when is this sover is there?
Speaker 1: Fifty minutes? Forty five minutes? Are we done yet? In court,
Speaker 1: Selena deftly blames the batman.
Speaker 2: She's like, how do we know the badman didn't he
Speaker 2: was there brilliant.
Speaker 1: How do we know that he didn't steal the jewels? Dent?
Speaker 1: I've found myself very disappointed in Harvey Dent. Not that
Speaker 1: just did this episode, but throughout the naked ambition of
Speaker 1: the man is like, you know what, there's no evidence.
Speaker 1: I got to drop the charges case.
Speaker 2: It's a small town. I can tell you he's either
Speaker 2: slept this.
Speaker 1: Woman or one he's gonna he's gonna date it.
Speaker 2: In high school, they went to senior problem together. Okay,
Speaker 2: he she Selena Kyle has a soft spot. Selena Kyle
Speaker 2: has a song. People have a soft spot for her.
Speaker 1: Immediately, Barbara Gordon is like, wait a second. So when
Speaker 1: the defendant is hot and rich all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: not a problem. We're just gonna like, let to go.
Speaker 1: And then Harvey denn Is like, you're wrong.
Speaker 2: She's not right. She is hot, she's rich. See he
Speaker 2: is not shallow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, Harvey. Catwoman strikes again. Hot prowl in
Speaker 1: a high rise apartment with the people just asleep in
Speaker 1: the bedroom. Batman finds her. They they clash across the
Speaker 1: rooftops in a wonderful sequence. As she falls the heels.
Speaker 1: Now a little bit of a detriment. They catch like
Speaker 1: on the edge of the roof. She goes tumbling, He
Speaker 1: saves her life and again sparks. They kiss it. I
Speaker 1: love it. I love it absolutely.
Speaker 2: Isn't he like you're wasting my time? I know he
Speaker 2: has a full blown boner. I know he's a full
Speaker 2: blown boner under there, he's he is so bricked up
Speaker 2: under the rubber suit.
Speaker 1: Alfred is in the ear piece like the blood pressure
Speaker 1: spiking away. Well, he doesn't get a chance to acknowledge
Speaker 1: the boner because Catwoman tases him and then gets in
Speaker 1: her custom catmobile and speeds away. Love it. Cricket cops,
Speaker 1: Bullok and Flask go to Selina's apartment, but Catwoman has moved.
Speaker 1: She's not there anymore. She moved to a dump across town,
Speaker 1: paid a year in advance. Greta hates it because her
Speaker 1: salary has not been paid in a significant period of time.
Speaker 2: I just have to say that that play is that
Speaker 2: she has like thirty cats, and I just know it
Speaker 2: smells like cap piss. It smells I just know she
Speaker 2: smells like cap piss.
Speaker 1: It smells really really bad in there. Catwoman then gets
Speaker 1: the idea that to hit the museum where there are
Speaker 1: all these wonderful jewels and the jewelry, but it's leaving soon. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: doctor Quinzelle gets conned by Bruce about how useful therapy
Speaker 1: it is. He's giving her the whole shine, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I got so much out of it, so much out
Speaker 1: of it, and I feel, honestly like a more balanced person.
Speaker 1: And I have the ability now to stop those intrusive
Speaker 1: voices from telling me to punch reporters. Hey, can you
Speaker 1: sign this slip saying that I have completed my court
Speaker 1: ordered therapy? Is that fine? She signs it, but she
Speaker 1: is under no illusions that Bruce has gotten anything out
Speaker 1: of therapy. Alfred again is like you should keep going
Speaker 1: shut door. We see Young Master the night that Young
Speaker 1: Master Bruce goes into Alfred's bedroom and says, I want
Speaker 1: to bring down criminals. I want to fight criminals Alfred,
Speaker 1: which is a crazy It's truly crazy.
Speaker 2: That Alfred was like, okay, that's he said he was
Speaker 2: going to make them all pay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is a wild thing for like a ten
Speaker 1: year old to be saying, Alfred, ok.
Speaker 2: Yeah, little inse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little scary, And we understand in that moment
Speaker 1: that Bruce is bringing all of that in cell zeal
Speaker 1: to bringing down the Catwoman. Catwoman hits the museum, Batman
Speaker 1: confronts her as a reporter from the Gotham Gazette is
Speaker 1: there O'Brien taking pictures. Catman releases a Jaguar into the
Speaker 1: museum that then fights Batman. Batman puts it to sleep
Speaker 1: with some handy sleeping glass. Gas Flash and Bullock show
Speaker 1: update will just shoot anything that moves. They shoot Selena
Speaker 1: in the leg. Flash is about to execute her. Yeah
Speaker 1: that pretty come on, He's one hundred percent about to
Speaker 1: blow her away, and Batman saves her life. He ties
Speaker 1: up Flass, Bullock and Selena, and you know he enjoyed
Speaker 1: tying up Selena. Ed waits for the authorities to you know,
Speaker 1: get them as the reporter snaps away the whole time,
Speaker 1: bats tells the reporter just run the Catwoman pictures. Forget
Speaker 1: the Flash looks just turned the Catwoman pictures that love it.
Speaker 1: Selena gets arrested, this time rock solid case she's going away.
Speaker 1: Greta sells all of Selena's stuff, which I agree with,
Speaker 1: as she should because you gotta pay your people. What
Speaker 1: the fuck is this? Selena? Come on Are you kidding Me?
Speaker 1: Batman now feels like he's really making an impact and
Speaker 1: again refuses to talk to Alfred about the therapy. Wonderful
Speaker 1: episode that brings us to episode four nine of The
Speaker 1: Hunters by Ed Buriker, directed by Christina Sada. Batman's fame
Speaker 1: is growing? Is he a crime fighter? Is he a vampire?
Speaker 1: Is he the source of the terrific street violence tearing
Speaker 1: apart the fabric of Gotham City. The Mayor gives a
Speaker 1: strident anti Batman speech and tells the DA and the
Speaker 1: police get me the Batman. Gordon doesn't love it. He
Speaker 1: doesn't love the new direction because like Batman's the only
Speaker 1: cleaning up the streets. But he puts Montoya in charge
Speaker 1: of the task Force, which, of course good old Boy's
Speaker 1: flaccid bullock fucking hate a woman. Really, that's who we're
Speaker 1: gonna listen to. Montoya's plan, at least initially involves a
Speaker 1: lot of fake muggings, fake robberies in order to draw
Speaker 1: the Batman out. Batman sniffs out most of these pretty easily,
Speaker 1: but he does get lured in by a very realistic
Speaker 1: armed chase. He shows up in the Batmobile, but it
Speaker 1: has too many tricks up his sleeve, and guess what,
Speaker 1: they cops don't get him. Harvey Dent here he is,
Speaker 1: he's got a hard on for city hall and he's saying,
Speaker 1: can the mayor handle this shit? You know who can
Speaker 1: handle it? I can. I'll catch the batman, not the mayor.
Speaker 1: Vote for me. Harvey Dent working late at night, Gordon
Speaker 1: is like, you know, workaholic. He's at his desk. He's like,
Speaker 1: let me take one more look at the batman. Walks
Speaker 1: over to the task force, you know, briefing room. Who
Speaker 1: does he find? I love this batman just standing there,
Speaker 1: just like reading all the stuff. They're like, come eye
Speaker 1: to eye. Shocked, batman makes a run for it. Gordon
Speaker 1: goes chasing after him, goes to shoot him in the
Speaker 1: back several times that I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, you can't shoot at someone when they're fleeing. He's like,
Speaker 2: he didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: Never forget, Never forget. I am Jim Gordon. I came
Speaker 1: up through the ropes in Gotham City, like I am
Speaker 1: a Gotham cop. After all that, he goes to fucking
Speaker 1: just murder the batman in gold boot uh. He then
Speaker 1: tells Montoya we gotta try something else because the Batman
Speaker 1: is makings look fucking terrible. Well, that new something else
Speaker 1: is let's hire doctor Quinzel as a consultant, which is
Speaker 1: actually I think pretty smart to do some like analysis
Speaker 1: on who is this guy? Who is what's his psyche?
Speaker 1: She puts her finger on it right away. This guy
Speaker 1: hates criminals, he's punishing them. Look for somebody who is
Speaker 1: punishing criminals, and you know what else, how about utilize
Speaker 1: this new emerging class of costume criminals as Flassen and
Speaker 1: Bullock love it. They pull Firebug out of jail without
Speaker 1: telling anybody. They just are like, let's pull this guy
Speaker 1: out of jail. Barbara Gordon, also Firebugs lawyer, is like,
Speaker 1: hold on a second, you kid, what's Firebug doing in
Speaker 1: the back of your squad car? And they're like shut up.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, she goes to tell her dad what's
Speaker 1: going on because clearly they're operating off books. Firebug bricked
Speaker 1: up to start fires again. Cannot wait. He's like, is
Speaker 1: this my lucky day? Are you kidding? Flasten Bullock fake
Speaker 1: like an escape. He Firebug immediately starts burning down buildings
Speaker 1: in the area. Can't wait to start fires, Gordon and
Speaker 1: Montoya speed to the scene. Batman arrives in the area,
Speaker 1: Flash and Bullocks spot him and they tell the SWAT team, Okay,
Speaker 1: Batman's here, kill Batman. And also if you see Firebug,
Speaker 1: kill Firebug. Just kill whoever is around, kill him Batman.
Speaker 1: I love bat Man fighting cops, as I think most
Speaker 1: people do. Batman here fighting cops through the burning buildings
Speaker 1: while trying to save citizens from the flames. Meanwhile, Gordon
Speaker 1: and Montoy are trying to find Flash and Bullock before
Speaker 1: these guys just commit various police shootings. Yeah that they
Speaker 1: will then say or justified. The dirty cops get the
Speaker 1: drop on Firebug and they fucking murder him.
Speaker 2: That was insane in front of the press. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was actually this was actually one of the saddest episodes.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: This is a guy he was an Arkham, right, so
Speaker 2: he was mentally ill. They like used him mentally ill
Speaker 2: guy murdered him in cold blood.
Speaker 1: Truly, truly, fucking terrible. It's insane that Flash and Bullock
Speaker 1: have a job, to say nothing of the fact that
Speaker 1: they are actually thriving in the police department. But here
Speaker 1: it is they murder a man in cold blood in
Speaker 1: front of the cameras of the press that are flashing away.
Speaker 1: Firebug goes falling out of a window to the street below,
Speaker 1: and O'Brien of the Gazette actually fucking loves it. He
Speaker 1: loves everything he's getting, which I will say, I am
Speaker 1: a little I don't love the depiction of the press.
Speaker 1: It's a little hack, like we need them right now.
Speaker 1: I understand that this is if it bleeds, it leads
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but we got to put it out
Speaker 1: there that the PD is corrupt, and O'Brien is doing it.
Speaker 1: I don't love his methods, but he is doing it anyway.
Speaker 1: Gordon gets the drop on Batman, just as the Cape
Speaker 1: Crusader is like saving children from the flames. Gordon is like,
Speaker 1: I know this, this is my beat. I know how
Speaker 1: he get out of here. We get out of here
Speaker 1: through the through the laundroom. They get out, and Gordon
Speaker 1: is like, haha, I'm gonna Batman disappeared again. Gordon is
Speaker 1: a he calls Flash and bullok In is like, you, guys,
Speaker 1: you've committed murders, to say nothing of the fact that
Speaker 1: East Side Flats burned down because of you. I am
Speaker 1: pulling you off the task for But then Mayor Jessup
Speaker 1: calls and he's like, hey, Gordon, I love the moxie,
Speaker 1: a flash of Bullock. I love the way they just kill, kill, kill,
Speaker 1: without any compunction. They are in charge of the task Force.
Speaker 2: Now what I know, Commissioner Gordon was demoted.
Speaker 1: And this is why we need Batman, sadly, Danny because
Speaker 1: of this is this, how this is like how this
Speaker 1: is how Gotham City works.
Speaker 2: Gotham is really corrupt. Batman has taken taking it and
Speaker 2: there is no law. When the law is corrupt, then
Speaker 2: you have to take it into your own hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Something that came up while I was watching this,
Speaker 1: it's like, why do we love Batman? Like early Batman
Speaker 1: stories so much? Batman just starting out pre Robin getting
Speaker 1: his feet wet, the emergence of the of the Rogues
Speaker 1: Gallery seemingly as a response to Batman. Why why is
Speaker 1: it that we love these stories? Why do we have
Speaker 1: to like we there's a reason that we have to
Speaker 1: see crime Alley in the Pearl. Seemingly every Batman story
Speaker 1: there's maybe no hero or villain that is more directly
Speaker 1: connected to the reason they do.
Speaker 2: The thing.
Speaker 1: In the way that Batman is why do you think
Speaker 1: we love stories like this so much?
Speaker 2: Well, he's also very complex, and I feel like this
Speaker 2: is his I feel like we relate to his need
Speaker 2: for control. Something horrible happened into his life that is
Speaker 2: completely out of his control that he can never change ever, ever,
Speaker 2: ever again, this is his control. And he also I
Speaker 2: think what doctor Quinzel was pointing out is he's like
Speaker 2: punishing himself in some way and he does so. He's
Speaker 2: incredibly complex and introspective and yeah, dealing with trauma in
Speaker 2: a way that that is helping him cope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, Like he is putting himself
Speaker 1: in these situations where he's getting punched, he's getting kicked,
Speaker 1: he's getting a beaten up, and on a certain level,
Speaker 1: like he feels like he deserves it, which is is
Speaker 1: so it really is a really complex psychological picture for
Speaker 1: a hero that kids love. Like That's one of the
Speaker 1: things I love about Batman is the more you think
Speaker 1: about Batman, the more he changes and becomes deeper, more complex,
Speaker 1: more weird, more troubled.
Speaker 2: So he's just living hero, you thought, Yeah, he's living
Speaker 2: out his childhood fantasy. No child should have to go
Speaker 2: through that. He grew up with superheroes. I also think
Speaker 2: like with the age that they picked, it's like the
Speaker 2: Golden era of comics is what's being represented here in
Speaker 2: the like forty and like no child should have to
Speaker 2: go through that. So he is literally being the superhero
Speaker 2: that he should have had. You know, every kid thinks
Speaker 2: that someone's going to swoop in and save them and
Speaker 2: they didn't, and so he's just replaying that cycle again
Speaker 2: and again and again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the thing that affected me maybe the
Speaker 1: most throughout these episodes was that first flashback. You see
Speaker 1: Bruce the murderer just happened, and the detectives are talking
Speaker 1: to him and in this very kind of like ham
Speaker 1: fisted way trying to like reach him and soothe what
Speaker 1: has happened, and they just have no ability to do so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have the language, they don't have they
Speaker 1: don't have an idea about what's happening to him, and
Speaker 1: they just can't do it. And he's like so unreachable.
Speaker 1: It's very very sad.
Speaker 2: I think this show is great. I think this is
Speaker 2: so so good. I think it's like number one right
Speaker 2: now in Amazon.
Speaker 1: Number one on number one on that platform.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so great. My hat really goes off to
Speaker 2: the animators, the voice actors, the writers, directors, like, it's
Speaker 2: just I can't stop watching it. I'm on the second
Speaker 2: to last episode and I'm kind of like savoring it
Speaker 2: because I don't I don't want it to end. It's
Speaker 2: phenomenal and I'm glad that they did like a nod
Speaker 2: to the Batman animated series and made it their own.
Speaker 2: That's so difficult to do.
Speaker 1: It's very very difficult to do. Yeah, making it less
Speaker 1: a sequel and more spiritual kind of insinuation was very
Speaker 1: very smart, and they the tone is time period. They
Speaker 1: just stailed it. It's great. Well, we can't wait to
Speaker 1: continue to talk about Batman Kate Crusader in continuing episodes.
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