WEBVTT - Batman: The Caped Crusader (Episodes 1-4)

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for Amazon Primes Batman The

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<v Speaker 1>Caped Crusader episodes one through four. Hello, my name is

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Sepsione.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am Danny Fernandez, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Extra vision of the podcast, when

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<v Speaker 1>we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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<v Speaker 1>pop culture. Coming to you from iHeart Podcast, where we're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing you two episodes a week, every Tuesday and Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>In today's episode, we're gonna be breaking down the first

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<v Speaker 1>four episodes of Batman Cape Crusader. I'm gonna be helped

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<v Speaker 1>in that regard by the wonderful Danny Fernandez. Danny, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for helping us out.

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<v Speaker 2>I am so excited to talk about our detective. Here.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's throw up the bat single Batman Caped Crusader on

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon Prime Video, the spiritual and emotional descendant of Batman,

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<v Speaker 1>the original animated series. Let's get into it. It's we

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<v Speaker 1>start with episode one in Treacherous Waters, story by Bruce

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<v Speaker 1>tim written by Jace Ricci, directed by Christina Soda. Danny,

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<v Speaker 1>we have explosions going off across Gotham City. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think the rent is in Gotham sty like a

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<v Speaker 1>normal studio apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like it's actually not bad. Renee Montoya keeps,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hinting how horrible, and she loves it. She

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<v Speaker 2>loves how you know, gritty this town is, and the

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<v Speaker 2>wealthier people should not be here. So I feel it's pretty,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty cheap. I do have to say, I'm obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with this art in the like nineteen forties vibe. They

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<v Speaker 2>just knocked it out of the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>Could not agree more So, Explosions are ripping across Gotham City.

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<v Speaker 1>There is some sort of new gang war opening up

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<v Speaker 1>against Rupert Thorne, mob boss extraordinaire. Of course, the Batman

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<v Speaker 1>gets involved. Meanwhile, in the Halls of Justice, Harvey Dent

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<v Speaker 1>clashing with Rising Day Barbara Gordon Batman wanting to find

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<v Speaker 1>out more about why are the cops not getting involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the explosions, What do they know about it? Why

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<v Speaker 1>is why are details of these explosions not reaching the news, Dabby,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's because the cops are corrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>They just might be. Yeah, that feels very Gothamy of

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<v Speaker 2>them and something that Batman Bruce Wayne should know.

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<v Speaker 1>So he breaks into PD starts looking around. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>takes a dirty cop dangles of what to find out, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know who's behind this? And he gets the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Oswalde cobble Pot Oswalde Love Love oswalda rising criminal

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<v Speaker 1>in the mafia hierarchy of Gotham City and also quite

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<v Speaker 1>a talented singer, yeah in her own right, also known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Penguin. To find out more, Bruce attends a

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<v Speaker 1>party on Coblepots floating club. The Iceberg Lounge looks pretty swanky.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in attendance Commissioner Gordon. Why is Commissioner is he?

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<v Speaker 2>Just look at the talent? The city is incestuous. Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>knows each other. I will say that everyone knows each

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<v Speaker 2>other in this city.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the problems that the Batman has created himself

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with. So Commissioner Gordon is there? Barbara is there?

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Dent? Is there? A lot of Gotham's high societies

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<v Speaker 1>at the Iceberg Lounge. The Penguin tries to not very

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<v Speaker 1>subtly troll Thorn, like, oh, it's crazy, all these explosions

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<v Speaker 1>targeting your various headquarters, like what's going on? But then

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<v Speaker 1>Thorn lets slip that actually, like I know all about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what's going on because I have an informant

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<v Speaker 1>in the gang of whoever it might be that's coming

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<v Speaker 1>against me, and the penguin goes fucking nuts. She figures

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<v Speaker 1>the leak is one of her two sons. It's either Aaron,

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<v Speaker 1>her favorite, or Ronald, the more nervous one, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course she kills Aaron, her favorite, but of course it

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<v Speaker 1>truth it's Ronald.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, this happening on the first episode was insane. I

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<v Speaker 2>literally thought Batman was gonna be insane.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait, do we just get e merge

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<v Speaker 1>straight out a child right away?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure he's like in high school. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god. And also Thorn just like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care what happened to this kid. I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>was wow, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Very very rough. Ronald fearing for his life and naturally

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<v Speaker 1>so flees. He goes to the cops for protection. They

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<v Speaker 1>basically laugh at him. He goes to Barbara Gordon, who

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<v Speaker 1>he I was shocked at how hard Ronald actually had

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<v Speaker 1>to pitch himself as an informant to the DA's office,

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<v Speaker 1>Like He's like, I know a murders, like I know

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<v Speaker 1>about all this crime stuff, and Barber's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just doing their job. Jason. Okay, they're just doing

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<v Speaker 2>their job.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. Ronald spills all the beans to the Gordons about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, basically how his mother, the Penguin, is creating

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<v Speaker 1>these explosions. Basically they have like an artillery gun, like

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<v Speaker 1>they have a mortar that they have on top of

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<v Speaker 1>a building, and they're just like firing at whatever target

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<v Speaker 1>they want.

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<v Speaker 2>So how would you not see?

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<v Speaker 1>How would you not see? How this is how decrepit

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<v Speaker 1>Gotham is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Every day it's like someone is shelling various points in

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<v Speaker 1>the city and we can't figure out why. We Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the Penguin, now understanding that her son is informing, decides, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna shell the police station. Okay. Batman gets extremely

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<v Speaker 1>active to foil the plan. Meanwhile, the Gordons rush to

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<v Speaker 1>evacuate the police station. And it's a good thing too,

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<v Speaker 1>because Batman, this is Batman. You're one Batman maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>Batman Month three, Batman, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>We disagree about that?

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<v Speaker 1>You do tell me why you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Because he has a whole layer like, there's no, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not year one Batman. He did not have that

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<v Speaker 2>suit Okay, he was like very kick ass attire. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say that much like even what we saw, not

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<v Speaker 2>to spoil, but ahead of Catwoman. When I saw her outfit,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, you would die like she it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a dress with like I'm like, okay, yeah, that's her

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<v Speaker 2>day one. This Batman, though, has figured some stuff out.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been doing this for at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years, you think two years now.

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<v Speaker 2>Also his mobile, you don't have that.

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<v Speaker 1>Day sick rich guy, but rich guys, it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>you just like I'll get the mobile.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he had like a what is something he had,

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<v Speaker 2>like a Ferrari that he put bat ears on.

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<v Speaker 1>He had like a yeah, it was like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a Porsche or a Ferrari or something. Yeah, like a

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<v Speaker 1>Bentley that said ears. Here's my argument. Not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people seem to be aware that the Batman is

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<v Speaker 1>is out there working. The cops have yet to target him. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Selena is like known as a sketchy person but hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gone full Catwoman yet, and they don't know each other

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<v Speaker 1>yet personally, and so it feels, let's put it anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>within the first two years, but it's certainly very early

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<v Speaker 1>in his crime fighting career. He's still getting the hang

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. Although to your point, has the wonderful bat caves,

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<v Speaker 1>all his weapons, has all the weapons, has like the

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<v Speaker 1>tactical like beat out board, and all the computer stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>so he has like all he does have all.

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<v Speaker 2>The hardware preseason preseason football.

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<v Speaker 1>So Batman does manage to like stop the penguin, but

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<v Speaker 1>the penguin gets a shell off levels the police station

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<v Speaker 1>and Barbara has to tell her dad, Commissioner Gordon, that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Batman is real. Bump bump, bump back home. Batman

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<v Speaker 1>is like Alfred I failed, which she shelled the police station.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't catch any criminals. I did fight like a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of hench people, and that's it. I fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the kind of very dark, almost bittersweet tone

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode in the overall series, where it's like

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<v Speaker 1>Batman kind of like fighting against the tide. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>unclear that he's actually making a dent in any of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do love that he like, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a scene where he like punches out the cops later

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<v Speaker 2>on and they're like, are you sure you want that

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<v Speaker 2>in the paper.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I love I love morally ambiguous characters, and I love

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<v Speaker 2>that about Batman. I love that he takes the law

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<v Speaker 2>into his own hands, which technically makes him a villain.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever people I'm such a troll, I've also written for DC,

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<v Speaker 2>so I feel like I'm allowed to say this. But

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<v Speaker 2>whenever I'm such a troll that whenever people post, well,

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<v Speaker 2>who is your favorite DC villain, I always say Batman

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<v Speaker 2>and people won't get so mad. He's the best villain.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a billionaire who has convinced you to be to

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<v Speaker 2>root for him. That's a villain.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he is absolutely he's certainly outside of the law. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think definitionly, you're absolutely correct. Not only is

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<v Speaker 1>he outside of the law, he is doing stuff because

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<v Speaker 1>he's a psycho like. He is doing this because he

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<v Speaker 1>is an unhinged human being. Right as this show will

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<v Speaker 1>delve into, we continue episode one on two and be

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<v Speaker 1>Villain written by Greg Rucka, directed by Matt Peters. Actress

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinaire noted scream Queen Yvonne Francis goes missing the police

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<v Speaker 1>dragon Bruce Wayne, local billionaire, because Bruce went on a

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<v Speaker 1>date with her, As of course Bruce did. Bruce is

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<v Speaker 1>eager to keep the family name out of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>money is no object. He tells Detective Montoya, who renamed

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<v Speaker 1>Montoya currently on the case. Montoya is like, how fucking

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<v Speaker 1>dare you? Your fucking piece of shit? Are you fucking kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>You're lucky I don't bring you in right now. If

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have a million other things to do, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>bring you it, you fucking asshole, How dare you? Which,

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<v Speaker 1>of course Bruce Wayne.

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<v Speaker 2>Loves he loves a feisty woman.

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<v Speaker 1>In the middle of the interview, Lucius Fox, Wayne's attorney

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<v Speaker 1>shows up and is like, A you're talking about client,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck? Shut it down? Wayne? Of course, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, puts a little star next to Montoya's name,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that maybe this is someone I can ally with

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. Montoya brings her investigation to Basil Carlow.

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<v Speaker 1>A love the name.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the name, great mouse, detective.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that noted actor in many horror films. And a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's aging. I think he looks great, but let's

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<v Speaker 1>just put it out there right now. It's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the plots. He's getting up there. He isn't naturally aging.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason. I think you're part of the plot is that

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<v Speaker 2>he's just always been ugly to people. Okay, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he I like, what's so funny? Yeah, back in the forties,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't look like this. But now I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he could have worked. I don't know, like Alan Rickman,

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<v Speaker 2>who I think is more attractive, but like very Alan

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<v Speaker 2>Rickman vibes so Bori.

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<v Speaker 1>Basil is an ugly guy. Renee gets to Basil's apart

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<v Speaker 1>but just nowhere just want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, It's like, yeah, only you weren't so ugly, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's how the whole episode is, like, like his career

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<v Speaker 2>and his love life is like, you would be if

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<v Speaker 2>you weren't so ugly, you would be.

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<v Speaker 1>The You'd be the greatest star of this, of stage

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<v Speaker 1>and screen, Basle, if only if the folds in your

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<v Speaker 1>face weren't so so dramatic. Renna hears him cry out.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes in. He stabbed the death Batman chases the murderer,

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<v Speaker 1>who is this weirdo with a mangled face under a

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<v Speaker 1>red scarf. Murderer gets away. Elsewhere, we see that Yvonne

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<v Speaker 1>is chained up in a luxurious bedroom and her captors

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<v Speaker 1>are applying makeup to her horrific situation. Later red Scarf

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<v Speaker 1>Guy kills the head of Monuscope Pictures, where Yvonne worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Montoya learns that the late Basle was concerned about how

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<v Speaker 1>ugly he was, and also, I have to say, was

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<v Speaker 1>treat like the way people talked about it about it

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<v Speaker 1>was terrible, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, they're like gaslighting him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're just totally gaslighting about it, and it's it's horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>And desperate for better roles to be that that star

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<v Speaker 1>that he always imagined himself to be, he went so

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<v Speaker 1>far as to pursue some sort of experimental facial treatment

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<v Speaker 1>that may or may not have been some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>scam some clear if it word. Batman confronts the mass

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<v Speaker 1>man on the studio a lot. It's clear that this

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<v Speaker 1>mass person has access to the studio a lot. Somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>they duel with swords on the set and a wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>so incredible set piece that really like.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a shit where the shadows were dueling so great.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it was so cool, shades of like, uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>the thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like Three Musketeers or Costner's Robin Hood where they

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<v Speaker 2>yield in a little castle.

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<v Speaker 1>So so cool. Unfortunately, the set collapses on Batman and

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<v Speaker 1>the man gets away. Under the set, Batman finds two

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<v Speaker 1>of the people that Detective Montoya had recently interviewed, like

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<v Speaker 1>less than an hour ago, and they're dead. Montoya goes

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<v Speaker 1>to see the doctor Ellman, this seemingly crooked plastic surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>that had been dealing with mister Carlo. Meanwhile, Batman discovers

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<v Speaker 1>that the late mister Carlo, who has a rubber, very

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<v Speaker 1>rubbery face, is in fact not Carlo. Is Carlo the killer?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is this guy? Doctor Ellman turns out to be

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<v Speaker 1>Carlo in disguise. He takes Detective Montoya prisoner. He tells

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<v Speaker 1>her the whole story. Ellman gave him the miracle cure,

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<v Speaker 1>and for a time it worked, for a very it

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<v Speaker 1>he looked great, he looked wonderful, looked incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>You just couldn't be in eighty degree weather.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or his face would melt, which it quickly did.

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<v Speaker 1>After he goes to see Yvonne to say, look how

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<v Speaker 1>great I look, she rejects Carlo his a face. His

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<v Speaker 1>face immediately just starts like melting and sloughing and changing shape.

0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Carlo can now mold his face to impersonate anyone. But obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned heat is heat and prolonged exposure to.

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<v Speaker 2>Sunlight again heartbreak apparently, Yeah, like his emotional status is

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<v Speaker 2>a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>He next plans to dramatically murder Yvonne to become the

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<v Speaker 1>villain that he believes himself that he's gonna murder her

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<v Speaker 1>in this very Edgar Allan pope hit in a pendulum

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<v Speaker 1>kind of way. And I love what happens next. Yvonne,

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<v Speaker 1>facing danger and death, fucking goes in on Basil, like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I didn't The performance was thin, it's weak.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't buy you as a as a villain, as

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<v Speaker 1>a evil mastermind. I'm just not getting it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>It's not there, Basil.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. All you have to do is turn

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<v Speaker 2>down men and they crumble.

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<v Speaker 1>Heat and Basil, Basil absolutely crumbles. Montoya frees Yvonne as

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<v Speaker 1>Batman shows up, defeats Basil. Montoya tries to take Batman

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<v Speaker 1>in of course, after the end of all this, but

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<v Speaker 1>of course he slips away once again. The Batman is free.

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<v Speaker 1>What a wonderful episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I love I love the called old Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Yeah, and the the you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>the continuing nods to the pulpy nature of this series,

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<v Speaker 1>which again is not a actual sequel to the original

0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Batman animated series, but like, spiritually it feels as if, like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you love Batman the animated series when you were

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<v Speaker 1>a kid? Can you imagine if I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is like you loved it when you were

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, and now here's this and it's grown up

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<v Speaker 1>thematically at least with you, even though you could still like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's grown up thematically, but yes, you can still and

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<v Speaker 2>that's great that. I mean, that's what I think is

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<v Speaker 2>really nice with quote unquote like kids, Like they don't

0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.399
<v Speaker 2>want to watch something that's made for twelve year olds.

0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.560
<v Speaker 2>They want to watch the thing that's made for adults

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<v Speaker 2>that there is still accessible to them and treats them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like they're intelligent. So it's a full family affair,

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<v Speaker 2>except for the fact that Bruce Wayne has to let

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<v Speaker 2>everyone know that he's constantly getting laid, which I'm obsessed with.

0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm like constantly talking about constantly like sorry.

0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.000
<v Speaker 2>It was up late with a woman last night. You

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, I love that he's dated everybody in town.

0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.440
<v Speaker 2>It's very ancestor to his town. It's it's it's funny

0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.159
<v Speaker 2>because Gotham so isolated and it feels like a small

0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.600
<v Speaker 2>like Texas town, even though it's a city. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>full blown city, but everybody knows each other. You cannot escape.

0:17:48.840 --> 0:18:05.159
<v Speaker 2>It's Hotel California.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye. This brings us to I think my favorite episode

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<v Speaker 1>of this first four episodes of the season, Kiss of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cat Woman, story by Edbrew Baker and Bruce tim

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<v Speaker 1>written by a Dama Ebo.

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<v Speaker 2>And Adona, who are very good friends of mine. They're

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<v Speaker 2>the EPs of a show that I'm developing, and they

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<v Speaker 2>wrote two. I think they wrote two episodes. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>finished the full season, but I've at least seen their

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<v Speaker 2>name twice.

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<v Speaker 1>Directed by Christopher Berkeley. We open it a at the

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<v Speaker 1>museum where there is this wonderful exhibit of fine jewelry

0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and of course suspected jewel thiefs. Lena Kyle is there,

0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:47.200
<v Speaker 1>as is Bruce Wayne. They strike up a conversation, very

0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:51.600
<v Speaker 1>flirty conversation. Of course, she asks him out. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you think it's time? Like you've dated everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>ran through this whole town.

0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Why has he not? I would like to know what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, this incredible chemistry is interrupted when Wayne overhears a

0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:13.840
<v Speaker 1>reporter making a cruel but honestly not that out of

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<v Speaker 1>pocket remark about the Wayne's end the wisdom of sauntering

0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:23.720
<v Speaker 1>into crime Ali wearing all your fucking jewelry. I do

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<v Speaker 1>have to say this is it's victim blaming, but I

0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:27.400
<v Speaker 1>guess it's victim blaming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and this is a noted you know joke repeatedly

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<v Speaker 2>in Batman canon and Batman movies and shows about them

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<v Speaker 2>going into which I want to say, it's not actually

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<v Speaker 2>crime alley is what it's the nickname for it, exus Like,

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<v Speaker 2>why would you go into crime aalley?

0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not it was not actually crime alley Like all this,

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<v Speaker 1>although they are.

0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Pretty there is an Edward e Enigma. I wonder who

0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.240
<v Speaker 2>did it. I wonder if it's Edward Enigma. There are

0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.560
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that in Batman. But yeah, it's not actually

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<v Speaker 2>crime Ali, and it is victim blaming. Jason should be

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to wear what she wants. It's correct, wherever she wants.

0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:09.800
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Bruce snaps punches the guy and has to

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<v Speaker 1>attend court ordered anger manager because of this, so he

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<v Speaker 1>ends up at the therapist's office, and his therapist is

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<v Speaker 1>doctor doctor Quinzel, pre clown Harley Quinn. And these are

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite scenes of these of the of the season

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<v Speaker 1>so far. I just love Bruce absolutely dodging therapy, acting

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<v Speaker 1>like he shouldn't be there. He has not like, well,

0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine. What are you talking about? My sex life

0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.119
<v Speaker 1>is is popping off? Donnie? You can't meat meat problems? What?

0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I am fine? I am past it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, my parents were brutally slain in front of my eyes.

0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.359
<v Speaker 1>I moved on from that. And I moved on from that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, by by diving into the welcoming all arms

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<v Speaker 1>of every woman in Gotham City and rub and I'm fine,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine. Later in the car ride from the office,

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<v Speaker 1>Alfred is like, you know been. I have been wanting

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<v Speaker 1>you to go to therapy for a while. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you take it. How was it? And Bruce is just

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<v Speaker 1>like shut the flock.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, drop it, drop it. Honestly, that's kind of

0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.359
<v Speaker 2>on Alfred though he should have taken him to therapy

0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.000
<v Speaker 2>when he was little, Like that's a little on Alfred,

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<v Speaker 2>I will have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say completely agree with you. I would say it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot on Alfred, who has been from the flashbags. We

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<v Speaker 1>know a betting Master Wades diversions and his toxic response

0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:52.400
<v Speaker 1>to trauma has been absolutely supporting this all the way.

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<v Speaker 1>That said, I get it. Alfred's in a tough spot.

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<v Speaker 1>He needs the job and he does care about Master Wade,

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<v Speaker 1>but still he gets shut it. I mean, Bruce shuts

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<v Speaker 1>him the fuck down. He's like, yeah, it's fucking this.

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.440
<v Speaker 1>This lady's trying to get in my head that I'm fine.

0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna let her in my head. Out her job,

0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:15.480
<v Speaker 1>it is literally what she's there to do. He opens

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<v Speaker 1>up his file that he got from doctor Quinzell and

0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.800
<v Speaker 1>he get in. There's a little card in there. Basically

0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.320
<v Speaker 1>the doc is like, you know, you know, please come back,

0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.440
<v Speaker 1>like I think we're getting somewhere, and Bruce clearly receives

0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.760
<v Speaker 1>this as ladies, they can't they can't stop, they can't

0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:32.960
<v Speaker 1>stop coming for Big b.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you saying he's the guy that thinks the stripper

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:37.400
<v Speaker 2>likes him.

0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:41.040
<v Speaker 1>There's a side of Bruce Wayne and it's like, here

0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:41.640
<v Speaker 1>we go again.

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<v Speaker 2>They're coming out, ladies.

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<v Speaker 1>What can I do?

0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I have to say, I do think that doctor Quinzel

0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.720
<v Speaker 2>would sleep with him, so I it might happen. Her

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:55.480
<v Speaker 2>boundaries are you know she doesn't have any boundaries? What Harley.

0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.119
<v Speaker 1>The very skilled, But yeah, I think the boundaries or

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<v Speaker 1>an issue. Later in Selina Kyle's still luxurious apartment, do

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>we see that Greta, her domestic is, you know, giving

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.440
<v Speaker 1>her shit for back payments and the fact that the

0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 1>bills aren't paid and clearly money is an issue. Taking

0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 1>inspiration from Batman, Selena makes her first catwoman costume and

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<v Speaker 1>then immediately goes on a fucking hot streak of jewel.

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Heis like knocking off places left and right. She's like

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 1>raking it in. After evading the cops on her latest heist,

0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 1>she finds herself face to face with Batman, who she's like, hello, I.

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Know it would be hot, yeah, both of them, cause plane, yeah,

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:42.680
<v Speaker 2>are you feeling this?

0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 1>Bats By the only one that's feeling this. Batman trips

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 1>her with a bowlo wire and she gets arrested. Selena,

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it's unmasked and everybody's like, oh my god, it's Selena Kyle.

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<v Speaker 1>We get various bat story flashbacks, which.

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Is played by Christina Ricci.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Christina Ricci in a one full performance. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>love the flashbacks to the Night of the Wayne murders.

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:07.639
<v Speaker 1>I think this is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone should make. Someone should make a montage of every

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 2>time we've seen crime out, every time we see those

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 2>those pearls. It's the funniest thing being a Batman for like.

0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Two hours long.

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:21.240
<v Speaker 2>The second you see that, you saw those pearls and

0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 2>him standing across from that. At the start of the thing,

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:24.480
<v Speaker 2>you knew exactly what those were.

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Here we go. I will say that I think that

0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:33.680
<v Speaker 1>this show has delved into the psyche and the trauma

0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:38.240
<v Speaker 1>in an interesting way that I didn't necessarily expect for

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 1>this for this particular show, and I think they did

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<v Speaker 1>it pretty well. I mean, you can't help but of

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.120
<v Speaker 1>course here we are watching the murder, you don't really

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.160
<v Speaker 1>see the murders again, but like seeing it through Bruce's eyes,

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I thought was pretty well.

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 2>It also, like I'm joking obviously, because we want, like

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:56.560
<v Speaker 2>like we said, the twelve and thirteen year olds and

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:58.480
<v Speaker 2>like the people who are going to be this is

0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 2>their first Batman show that they're gonna to be watching,

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 2>they need that. But I do I do want to

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:07.159
<v Speaker 2>say I relate so much to Selena Kyle making the

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 2>most like having the heels, she still has heels she

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 2>has a slit up her thing. It's like every time

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I see capes now I think of Edna Mode. I

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 2>can't not think of Edna Mode with the like wow

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that you could die very quickly. I love that she

0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:24.159
<v Speaker 2>still has to look hot, incredibly hot. I relate to

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 2>that because I'd be like, what what matters? More like

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:28.919
<v Speaker 2>me escaping the crime or when they get my photo.

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.119
<v Speaker 1>It's got to look good, you have to say in

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the heels not a problem for her at all, Like, yes,

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 1>she is able to leap fences, she is climbing, sheer face,

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 1>brick wall, she's diving. I don't want it. It's not

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 1>an issue for her. If she looks great and she

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:50.360
<v Speaker 1>is great at stealing those jewels. We get that flashback

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:55.120
<v Speaker 1>and then we cut to more therapy with doctor Qrinzel

0:25:55.520 --> 0:26:00.159
<v Speaker 1>and Bruce is like, again, a fucking great what Yeah, yes,

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I understand my parents burned. I'm fine quick with all that,

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.959
<v Speaker 1>like looking as why when is this sover is there?

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Fifty minutes? Forty five minutes? Are we done yet? In court,

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Selena deftly blames the batman.

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 2>She's like, how do we know the badman didn't he

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:17.640
<v Speaker 2>was there brilliant.

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>How do we know that he didn't steal the jewels? Dent?

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I've found myself very disappointed in Harvey Dent. Not that

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>just did this episode, but throughout the naked ambition of

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the man is like, you know what, there's no evidence.

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I got to drop the charges case.

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a small town. I can tell you he's either

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:36.159
<v Speaker 2>slept this.

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<v Speaker 1>Woman or one he's gonna he's gonna date it.

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<v Speaker 2>In high school, they went to senior problem together. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he she Selena Kyle has a soft spot. Selena Kyle

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 2>has a song. People have a soft spot for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately, Barbara Gordon is like, wait a second. So when

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<v Speaker 1>the defendant is hot and rich all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>not a problem. We're just gonna like, let to go.

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>And then Harvey denn Is like, you're wrong.

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 2>She's not right. She is hot, she's rich. See he

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<v Speaker 2>is not shallow.

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, come on, Harvey. Catwoman strikes again. Hot prowl in

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.680
<v Speaker 1>a high rise apartment with the people just asleep in

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>the bedroom. Batman finds her. They they clash across the

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>rooftops in a wonderful sequence. As she falls the heels.

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Now a little bit of a detriment. They catch like

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 1>on the edge of the roof. She goes tumbling, He

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>saves her life and again sparks. They kiss it. I

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.640
<v Speaker 1>love it. I love it absolutely.

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Isn't he like you're wasting my time? I know he

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 2>has a full blown boner. I know he's a full

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 2>blown boner under there, he's he is so bricked up

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 2>under the rubber suit.

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<v Speaker 1>Alfred is in the ear piece like the blood pressure

0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:06.440
<v Speaker 1>spiking away. Well, he doesn't get a chance to acknowledge

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.119
<v Speaker 1>the boner because Catwoman tases him and then gets in

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>her custom catmobile and speeds away. Love it. Cricket cops,

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Bullok and Flask go to Selina's apartment, but Catwoman has moved.

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>She's not there anymore. She moved to a dump across town,

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>paid a year in advance. Greta hates it because her

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>salary has not been paid in a significant period of time.

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I just have to say that that play is that

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 2>she has like thirty cats, and I just know it

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 2>smells like cap piss. It smells I just know she

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 2>smells like cap piss.

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>It smells really really bad in there. Catwoman then gets

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 1>the idea that to hit the museum where there are

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>all these wonderful jewels and the jewelry, but it's leaving soon. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Quinzelle gets conned by Bruce about how useful therapy

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>it is. He's giving her the whole shine, like, oh yeah,

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I got so much out of it, so much out

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>of it, and I feel, honestly like a more balanced person.

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>And I have the ability now to stop those intrusive

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<v Speaker 1>voices from telling me to punch reporters. Hey, can you

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<v Speaker 1>sign this slip saying that I have completed my court

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>ordered therapy? Is that fine? She signs it, but she

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 1>is under no illusions that Bruce has gotten anything out

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of therapy. Alfred again is like you should keep going

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>shut door. We see Young Master the night that Young

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Master Bruce goes into Alfred's bedroom and says, I want

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 1>to bring down criminals. I want to fight criminals Alfred,

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 1>which is a crazy It's truly crazy.

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 2>That Alfred was like, okay, that's he said he was

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 2>going to make them all pay.

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is a wild thing for like a ten

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>year old to be saying, Alfred, ok.

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, little inse.

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a little scary, And we understand in that moment

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>that Bruce is bringing all of that in cell zeal

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>to bringing down the Catwoman. Catwoman hits the museum, Batman

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 1>confronts her as a reporter from the Gotham Gazette is

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>there O'Brien taking pictures. Catman releases a Jaguar into the

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<v Speaker 1>museum that then fights Batman. Batman puts it to sleep

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>with some handy sleeping glass. Gas Flash and Bullock show

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 1>update will just shoot anything that moves. They shoot Selena

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>in the leg. Flash is about to execute her. Yeah

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>that pretty come on, He's one hundred percent about to

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>blow her away, and Batman saves her life. He ties

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>up Flass, Bullock and Selena, and you know he enjoyed

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 1>tying up Selena. Ed waits for the authorities to you know,

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 1>get them as the reporter snaps away the whole time,

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>bats tells the reporter just run the Catwoman pictures. Forget

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the Flash looks just turned the Catwoman pictures that love it.

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Selena gets arrested, this time rock solid case she's going away.

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Greta sells all of Selena's stuff, which I agree with,

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>as she should because you gotta pay your people. What

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the fuck is this? Selena? Come on Are you kidding Me?

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Batman now feels like he's really making an impact and

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>again refuses to talk to Alfred about the therapy. Wonderful

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 1>episode that brings us to episode four nine of The

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Hunters by Ed Buriker, directed by Christina Sada. Batman's fame

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>is growing? Is he a crime fighter? Is he a vampire?

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Is he the source of the terrific street violence tearing

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>apart the fabric of Gotham City. The Mayor gives a

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 1>strident anti Batman speech and tells the DA and the

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>police get me the Batman. Gordon doesn't love it. He

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 1>doesn't love the new direction because like Batman's the only

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>cleaning up the streets. But he puts Montoya in charge

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>of the task Force, which, of course good old Boy's

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>flaccid bullock fucking hate a woman. Really, that's who we're

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna listen to. Montoya's plan, at least initially involves a

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of fake muggings, fake robberies in order to draw

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the Batman out. Batman sniffs out most of these pretty easily,

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 1>but he does get lured in by a very realistic

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>armed chase. He shows up in the Batmobile, but it

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>has too many tricks up his sleeve, and guess what,

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 1>they cops don't get him. Harvey Dent here he is,

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>he's got a hard on for city hall and he's saying,

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>can the mayor handle this shit? You know who can

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>handle it? I can. I'll catch the batman, not the mayor.

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Vote for me. Harvey Dent working late at night, Gordon

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>is like, you know, workaholic. He's at his desk. He's like,

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>let me take one more look at the batman. Walks

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 1>over to the task force, you know, briefing room. Who

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:59.959
<v Speaker 1>does he find? I love this batman just standing there,

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>just like reading all the stuff. They're like, come eye

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to eye. Shocked, batman makes a run for it. Gordon

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>goes chasing after him, goes to shoot him in the

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>back several times that I'm.

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Like, you can't shoot at someone when they're fleeing. He's like,

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 2>he didn't do anything.

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Never forget, Never forget. I am Jim Gordon. I came

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>up through the ropes in Gotham City, like I am

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>a Gotham cop. After all that, he goes to fucking

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 1>just murder the batman in gold boot uh. He then

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>tells Montoya we gotta try something else because the Batman

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 1>is makings look fucking terrible. Well, that new something else

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>is let's hire doctor Quinzel as a consultant, which is

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>actually I think pretty smart to do some like analysis

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>on who is this guy? Who is what's his psyche?

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>She puts her finger on it right away. This guy

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>hates criminals, he's punishing them. Look for somebody who is

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 1>punishing criminals, and you know what else, how about utilize

0:33:56.960 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 1>this new emerging class of costume criminals as Flassen and

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Bullock love it. They pull Firebug out of jail without

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>telling anybody. They just are like, let's pull this guy

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>out of jail. Barbara Gordon, also Firebugs lawyer, is like,

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>hold on a second, you kid, what's Firebug doing in

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the back of your squad car? And they're like shut up.

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, she goes to tell her dad what's

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>going on because clearly they're operating off books. Firebug bricked

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 1>up to start fires again. Cannot wait. He's like, is

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>this my lucky day? Are you kidding? Flasten Bullock fake

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 1>like an escape. He Firebug immediately starts burning down buildings

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>in the area. Can't wait to start fires, Gordon and

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Montoya speed to the scene. Batman arrives in the area,

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Flash and Bullocks spot him and they tell the SWAT team, Okay,

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Batman's here, kill Batman. And also if you see Firebug,

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:58.840
<v Speaker 1>kill Firebug. Just kill whoever is around, kill him Batman.

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I love bat Man fighting cops, as I think most

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>people do. Batman here fighting cops through the burning buildings

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>while trying to save citizens from the flames. Meanwhile, Gordon

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and Montoy are trying to find Flash and Bullock before

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 1>these guys just commit various police shootings. Yeah that they

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>will then say or justified. The dirty cops get the

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>drop on Firebug and they fucking murder him.

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<v Speaker 2>That was insane in front of the press. Yeah, that

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>was actually this was actually one of the saddest episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a guy he was an Arkham, right, so

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 2>he was mentally ill. They like used him mentally ill

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>guy murdered him in cold blood.

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Truly, truly, fucking terrible. It's insane that Flash and Bullock

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>have a job, to say nothing of the fact that

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 1>they are actually thriving in the police department. But here

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 1>it is they murder a man in cold blood in

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 1>front of the cameras of the press that are flashing away.

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Firebug goes falling out of a window to the street below,

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 1>and O'Brien of the Gazette actually fucking loves it. He

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 1>loves everything he's getting, which I will say, I am

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:09.719
<v Speaker 1>a little I don't love the depiction of the press.

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 1>It's a little hack, like we need them right now.

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I understand that this is if it bleeds, it leads

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff, but we got to put it out

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>there that the PD is corrupt, and O'Brien is doing it.

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't love his methods, but he is doing it anyway.

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.839
<v Speaker 1>Gordon gets the drop on Batman, just as the Cape

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Crusader is like saving children from the flames. Gordon is like,

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I know this, this is my beat. I know how

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 1>he get out of here. We get out of here

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 1>through the through the laundroom. They get out, and Gordon

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>is like, haha, I'm gonna Batman disappeared again. Gordon is

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:51.280
<v Speaker 1>a he calls Flash and bullok In is like, you, guys,

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 1>you've committed murders, to say nothing of the fact that

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 1>East Side Flats burned down because of you. I am

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>pulling you off the task for But then Mayor Jessup

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 1>calls and he's like, hey, Gordon, I love the moxie,

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.359
<v Speaker 1>a flash of Bullock. I love the way they just kill, kill, kill,

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:12.399
<v Speaker 1>without any compunction. They are in charge of the task Force.

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Now what I know, Commissioner Gordon was demoted.

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 1>And this is why we need Batman, sadly, Danny because

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.600
<v Speaker 1>of this is this, how this is like how this

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 1>is how Gotham City works.

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Gotham is really corrupt. Batman has taken taking it and

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 2>there is no law. When the law is corrupt, then

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>you have to take it into your own hands.

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Something that came up while I was watching this,

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like, why do we love Batman? Like early Batman

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.280
<v Speaker 1>stories so much? Batman just starting out pre Robin getting

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>his feet wet, the emergence of the of the Rogues

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Gallery seemingly as a response to Batman. Why why is

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 1>it that we love these stories? Why do we have

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 1>to like we there's a reason that we have to

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>see crime Alley in the Pearl. Seemingly every Batman story

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:24.280
<v Speaker 1>there's maybe no hero or villain that is more directly

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 1>connected to the reason they do.

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 2>The thing.

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 1>In the way that Batman is why do you think

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 1>we love stories like this so much?

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's also very complex, and I feel like this

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 2>is his I feel like we relate to his need

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 2>for control. Something horrible happened into his life that is

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 2>completely out of his control that he can never change ever, ever,

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:46.759
<v Speaker 2>ever again, this is his control. And he also I

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 2>think what doctor Quinzel was pointing out is he's like

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>punishing himself in some way and he does so. He's

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>incredibly complex and introspective and yeah, dealing with trauma in

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:05.880
<v Speaker 2>a way that that is helping him cope.

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you, Like he is putting himself

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:13.280
<v Speaker 1>in these situations where he's getting punched, he's getting kicked,

0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>he's getting a beaten up, and on a certain level,

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>like he feels like he deserves it, which is is

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>so it really is a really complex psychological picture for

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 1>a hero that kids love. Like That's one of the

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 1>things I love about Batman is the more you think

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>about Batman, the more he changes and becomes deeper, more complex,

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 1>more weird, more troubled.

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:47.759
<v Speaker 2>So he's just living hero, you thought, Yeah, he's living

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.800
<v Speaker 2>out his childhood fantasy. No child should have to go

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 2>through that. He grew up with superheroes. I also think

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 2>like with the age that they picked, it's like the

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Golden era of comics is what's being represented here in

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 2>the like forty and like no child should have to

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 2>go through that. So he is literally being the superhero

0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:08.399
<v Speaker 2>that he should have had. You know, every kid thinks

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<v Speaker 2>that someone's going to swoop in and save them and

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't, and so he's just replaying that cycle again

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<v Speaker 2>and again and again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think the thing that affected me maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>most throughout these episodes was that first flashback. You see

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce the murderer just happened, and the detectives are talking

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<v Speaker 1>to him and in this very kind of like ham

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<v Speaker 1>fisted way trying to like reach him and soothe what

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<v Speaker 1>has happened, and they just have no ability to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't have the language, they don't have they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have an idea about what's happening to him, and

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<v Speaker 1>they just can't do it. And he's like so unreachable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very very sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this show is great. I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>so so good. I think it's like number one right

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<v Speaker 2>now in Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one on number one on that platform.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so great. My hat really goes off to

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<v Speaker 2>the animators, the voice actors, the writers, directors, like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just I can't stop watching it. I'm on the second

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<v Speaker 2>to last episode and I'm kind of like savoring it

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't I don't want it to end. It's

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<v Speaker 2>phenomenal and I'm glad that they did like a nod

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<v Speaker 2>to the Batman animated series and made it their own.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so difficult to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very very difficult to do. Yeah, making it less

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<v Speaker 1>a sequel and more spiritual kind of insinuation was very

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<v Speaker 1>very smart, and they the tone is time period. They

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<v Speaker 1>just stailed it. It's great. Well, we can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>continue to talk about Batman Kate Crusader in continuing episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. X ray

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<v Speaker 1>Vision is hosted by Jason Gitspsune and Rosie Knight and

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<v Speaker 1>is a prettyduction of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are

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<v Speaker 1>Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a

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<v Speaker 1>Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor.

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<v Speaker 1>Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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<v Speaker 2>and Heidi Our discoord moderator,