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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for Amazon Primes Batman The

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Speaker 1: Caped Crusader episodes one through four. Hello, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jason Sepsione.

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Speaker 2: And I am Danny Fernandez, and.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Extra vision of the podcast, when

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Speaker 1: we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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Speaker 1: pop culture. Coming to you from iHeart Podcast, where we're

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Speaker 1: bringing you two episodes a week, every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're gonna be breaking down the first

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Speaker 1: four episodes of Batman Cape Crusader. I'm gonna be helped

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Speaker 1: in that regard by the wonderful Danny Fernandez. Danny, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for helping us out.

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Speaker 2: I am so excited to talk about our detective. Here.

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Speaker 1: Let's throw up the bat single Batman Caped Crusader on

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Speaker 1: Amazon Prime Video, the spiritual and emotional descendant of Batman,

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Speaker 1: the original animated series. Let's get into it. It's we

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Speaker 1: start with episode one in Treacherous Waters, story by Bruce

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Speaker 1: tim written by Jace Ricci, directed by Christina Soda. Danny,

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Speaker 1: we have explosions going off across Gotham City. What do

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Speaker 1: you think the rent is in Gotham sty like a

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Speaker 2: I felt like it's actually not bad. Renee Montoya keeps,

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Speaker 2: you know, hinting how horrible, and she loves it. She

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Speaker 2: loves how you know, gritty this town is, and the

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Speaker 2: wealthier people should not be here. So I feel it's pretty,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty cheap. I do have to say, I'm obsessed

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Speaker 1: Could not agree more So, Explosions are ripping across Gotham City.

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Speaker 1: There is some sort of new gang war opening up

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Speaker 1: against Rupert Thorne, mob boss extraordinaire. Of course, the Batman

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Speaker 1: clashing with Rising Day Barbara Gordon Batman wanting to find

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Speaker 1: in the explosions, What do they know about it? Why

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Speaker 1: is why are details of these explosions not reaching the news, Dabby,

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Speaker 1: I think it's because the cops are corrupt.

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Speaker 2: They just might be. Yeah, that feels very Gothamy of

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Speaker 1: So he breaks into PD starts looking around. Then he

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Speaker 1: takes a dirty cop dangles of what to find out, Oh,

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Speaker 1: you know who's behind this? And he gets the name

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Speaker 1: of Oswalde cobble Pot Oswalde Love Love oswalda rising criminal

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Speaker 1: a talented singer, yeah in her own right, also known

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Speaker 1: as the Penguin. To find out more, Bruce attends a

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Speaker 1: Also in attendance Commissioner Gordon. Why is Commissioner is he?

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Speaker 2: Just look at the talent? The city is incestuous. Everyone

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Speaker 1: These are the problems that the Batman has created himself

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Speaker 1: the leak is one of her two sons. It's either Aaron,

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Speaker 2: Honestly, this happening on the first episode was insane. I

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he's like in high school. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Very very rough. Ronald fearing for his life and naturally

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Speaker 1: Like He's like, I know a murders, like I know

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Speaker 2: They're just doing their job. Jason. Okay, they're just doing

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Speaker 1: That's true. Ronald spills all the beans to the Gordons about,

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Speaker 1: Every day it's like someone is shelling various points in

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Speaker 1: because Batman, this is Batman. You're one Batman maybe like

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Speaker 1: You do tell me why you think?

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Speaker 2: Because he has a whole layer like, there's no, this

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Speaker 2: is not year one Batman. He did not have that

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you would die like she it's like

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Speaker 2: day one. This Batman, though, has figured some stuff out.

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Speaker 2: He's been doing this for at least.

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Speaker 1: Two years, you think two years now.

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Speaker 1: Day sick rich guy, but rich guys, it's just like

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Speaker 1: So Batman does manage to like stop the penguin, but

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Speaker 1: and Barbara has to tell her dad, Commissioner Gordon, that yes,

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Speaker 1: the Batman is real. Bump bump, bump back home. Batman

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Speaker 1: I didn't catch any criminals. I did fight like a

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Speaker 1: I love the kind of very dark, almost bittersweet tone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do love that he like, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: I love I love morally ambiguous characters, and I love

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Speaker 2: Whenever people I'm such a troll, I've also written for DC,

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Speaker 2: who is your favorite DC villain, I always say Batman

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Speaker 2: and people won't get so mad. He's the best villain.

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Speaker 2: He's a billionaire who has convinced you to be to

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Speaker 1: I mean he is absolutely he's certainly outside of the law. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Villain written by Greg Rucka, directed by Matt Peters. Actress

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Speaker 1: money is no object. He tells Detective Montoya, who renamed

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Speaker 1: dare you? Your fucking piece of shit? Are you fucking kidding?

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Speaker 2: Jason. I think you're part of the plot is that

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Speaker 2: he's just always been ugly to people. Okay, I think

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Speaker 1: Basil is an ugly guy. Renee gets to Basil's apart

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Speaker 1: Directed by Christopher Berkeley. We open it a at the

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Speaker 1: Uh, this incredible chemistry is interrupted when Wayne overhears a

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Speaker 2: that because I'd be like, what what matters? More like

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00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 2: me escaping the crime or when they get my photo.

433
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: It's got to look good, you have to say in

434
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: the heels not a problem for her at all, Like, yes,

435
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: she is able to leap fences, she is climbing, sheer face,

436
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: brick wall, she's diving. I don't want it. It's not

437
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: an issue for her. If she looks great and she

438
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: is great at stealing those jewels. We get that flashback

439
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: and then we cut to more therapy with doctor Qrinzel

440
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: and Bruce is like, again, a fucking great what Yeah, yes,

441
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: I understand my parents burned. I'm fine quick with all that,

442
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 1: like looking as why when is this sover is there?

443
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: Fifty minutes? Forty five minutes? Are we done yet? In court,

444
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: Selena deftly blames the batman.

445
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: She's like, how do we know the badman didn't he

446
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: was there brilliant.

447
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: How do we know that he didn't steal the jewels? Dent?

448
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: I've found myself very disappointed in Harvey Dent. Not that

449
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: just did this episode, but throughout the naked ambition of

450
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: the man is like, you know what, there's no evidence.

451
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: I got to drop the charges case.

452
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: It's a small town. I can tell you he's either

453
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: slept this.

454
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: Woman or one he's gonna he's gonna date it.

455
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: In high school, they went to senior problem together. Okay,

456
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: he she Selena Kyle has a soft spot. Selena Kyle

457
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: has a song. People have a soft spot for her.

458
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: Immediately, Barbara Gordon is like, wait a second. So when

459
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: the defendant is hot and rich all of a sudden,

460
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: not a problem. We're just gonna like, let to go.

461
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: And then Harvey denn Is like, you're wrong.

462
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: She's not right. She is hot, she's rich. See he

463
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: is not shallow.

464
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, Harvey. Catwoman strikes again. Hot prowl in

465
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: a high rise apartment with the people just asleep in

466
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: the bedroom. Batman finds her. They they clash across the

467
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: rooftops in a wonderful sequence. As she falls the heels.

468
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: Now a little bit of a detriment. They catch like

469
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: on the edge of the roof. She goes tumbling, He

470
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: saves her life and again sparks. They kiss it. I

471
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: love it. I love it absolutely.

472
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: Isn't he like you're wasting my time? I know he

473
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: has a full blown boner. I know he's a full

474
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: blown boner under there, he's he is so bricked up

475
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: under the rubber suit.

476
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: Alfred is in the ear piece like the blood pressure

477
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: spiking away. Well, he doesn't get a chance to acknowledge

478
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: the boner because Catwoman tases him and then gets in

479
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: her custom catmobile and speeds away. Love it. Cricket cops,

480
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: Bullok and Flask go to Selina's apartment, but Catwoman has moved.

481
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: She's not there anymore. She moved to a dump across town,

482
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: paid a year in advance. Greta hates it because her

483
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: salary has not been paid in a significant period of time.

484
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: I just have to say that that play is that

485
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: she has like thirty cats, and I just know it

486
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: smells like cap piss. It smells I just know she

487
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: smells like cap piss.

488
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: It smells really really bad in there. Catwoman then gets

489
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: the idea that to hit the museum where there are

490
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: all these wonderful jewels and the jewelry, but it's leaving soon. Meanwhile,

491
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: doctor Quinzelle gets conned by Bruce about how useful therapy

492
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: it is. He's giving her the whole shine, like, oh yeah,

493
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: I got so much out of it, so much out

494
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: of it, and I feel, honestly like a more balanced person.

495
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: And I have the ability now to stop those intrusive

496
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: voices from telling me to punch reporters. Hey, can you

497
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: sign this slip saying that I have completed my court

498
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: ordered therapy? Is that fine? She signs it, but she

499
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: is under no illusions that Bruce has gotten anything out

500
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: of therapy. Alfred again is like you should keep going

501
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: shut door. We see Young Master the night that Young

502
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: Master Bruce goes into Alfred's bedroom and says, I want

503
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: to bring down criminals. I want to fight criminals Alfred,

504
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: which is a crazy It's truly crazy.

505
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: That Alfred was like, okay, that's he said he was

506
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: going to make them all pay.

507
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is a wild thing for like a ten

508
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: year old to be saying, Alfred, ok.

509
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, little inse.

510
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little scary, And we understand in that moment

511
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: that Bruce is bringing all of that in cell zeal

512
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: to bringing down the Catwoman. Catwoman hits the museum, Batman

513
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: confronts her as a reporter from the Gotham Gazette is

514
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: there O'Brien taking pictures. Catman releases a Jaguar into the

515
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: museum that then fights Batman. Batman puts it to sleep

516
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: with some handy sleeping glass. Gas Flash and Bullock show

517
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: update will just shoot anything that moves. They shoot Selena

518
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: in the leg. Flash is about to execute her. Yeah

519
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: that pretty come on, He's one hundred percent about to

520
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: blow her away, and Batman saves her life. He ties

521
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: up Flass, Bullock and Selena, and you know he enjoyed

522
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: tying up Selena. Ed waits for the authorities to you know,

523
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: get them as the reporter snaps away the whole time,

524
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: bats tells the reporter just run the Catwoman pictures. Forget

525
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: the Flash looks just turned the Catwoman pictures that love it.

526
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: Selena gets arrested, this time rock solid case she's going away.

527
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: Greta sells all of Selena's stuff, which I agree with,

528
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: as she should because you gotta pay your people. What

529
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: the fuck is this? Selena? Come on Are you kidding Me?

530
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: Batman now feels like he's really making an impact and

531
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: again refuses to talk to Alfred about the therapy. Wonderful

532
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: episode that brings us to episode four nine of The

533
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: Hunters by Ed Buriker, directed by Christina Sada. Batman's fame

534
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: is growing? Is he a crime fighter? Is he a vampire?

535
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: Is he the source of the terrific street violence tearing

536
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: apart the fabric of Gotham City. The Mayor gives a

537
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: strident anti Batman speech and tells the DA and the

538
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: police get me the Batman. Gordon doesn't love it. He

539
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: doesn't love the new direction because like Batman's the only

540
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: cleaning up the streets. But he puts Montoya in charge

541
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: of the task Force, which, of course good old Boy's

542
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: flaccid bullock fucking hate a woman. Really, that's who we're

543
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: gonna listen to. Montoya's plan, at least initially involves a

544
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of fake muggings, fake robberies in order to draw

545
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: the Batman out. Batman sniffs out most of these pretty easily,

546
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: but he does get lured in by a very realistic

547
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: armed chase. He shows up in the Batmobile, but it

548
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: has too many tricks up his sleeve, and guess what,

549
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: they cops don't get him. Harvey Dent here he is,

550
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: he's got a hard on for city hall and he's saying,

551
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: can the mayor handle this shit? You know who can

552
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: handle it? I can. I'll catch the batman, not the mayor.

553
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: Vote for me. Harvey Dent working late at night, Gordon

554
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: is like, you know, workaholic. He's at his desk. He's like,

555
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: let me take one more look at the batman. Walks

556
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: over to the task force, you know, briefing room. Who

557
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 1: does he find? I love this batman just standing there,

558
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: just like reading all the stuff. They're like, come eye

559
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: to eye. Shocked, batman makes a run for it. Gordon

560
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: goes chasing after him, goes to shoot him in the

561
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: back several times that I'm.

562
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: Like, you can't shoot at someone when they're fleeing. He's like,

563
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: he didn't do anything.

564
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: Never forget, Never forget. I am Jim Gordon. I came

565
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: up through the ropes in Gotham City, like I am

566
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: a Gotham cop. After all that, he goes to fucking

567
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: just murder the batman in gold boot uh. He then

568
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: tells Montoya we gotta try something else because the Batman

569
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: is makings look fucking terrible. Well, that new something else

570
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: is let's hire doctor Quinzel as a consultant, which is

571
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: actually I think pretty smart to do some like analysis

572
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: on who is this guy? Who is what's his psyche?

573
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: She puts her finger on it right away. This guy

574
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: hates criminals, he's punishing them. Look for somebody who is

575
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: punishing criminals, and you know what else, how about utilize

576
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: this new emerging class of costume criminals as Flassen and

577
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: Bullock love it. They pull Firebug out of jail without

578
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: telling anybody. They just are like, let's pull this guy

579
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: out of jail. Barbara Gordon, also Firebugs lawyer, is like,

580
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: hold on a second, you kid, what's Firebug doing in

581
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: the back of your squad car? And they're like shut up.

582
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: It's like, well, she goes to tell her dad what's

583
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: going on because clearly they're operating off books. Firebug bricked

584
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: up to start fires again. Cannot wait. He's like, is

585
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: this my lucky day? Are you kidding? Flasten Bullock fake

586
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: like an escape. He Firebug immediately starts burning down buildings

587
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: in the area. Can't wait to start fires, Gordon and

588
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Montoya speed to the scene. Batman arrives in the area,

589
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: Flash and Bullocks spot him and they tell the SWAT team, Okay,

590
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: Batman's here, kill Batman. And also if you see Firebug,

591
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: kill Firebug. Just kill whoever is around, kill him Batman.

592
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: I love bat Man fighting cops, as I think most

593
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: people do. Batman here fighting cops through the burning buildings

594
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: while trying to save citizens from the flames. Meanwhile, Gordon

595
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: and Montoy are trying to find Flash and Bullock before

596
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: these guys just commit various police shootings. Yeah that they

597
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: will then say or justified. The dirty cops get the

598
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: drop on Firebug and they fucking murder him.

599
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: That was insane in front of the press. Yeah, that

600
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: was actually this was actually one of the saddest episodes.

601
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: I agree.

602
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: This is a guy he was an Arkham, right, so

603
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: he was mentally ill. They like used him mentally ill

604
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: guy murdered him in cold blood.

605
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: Truly, truly, fucking terrible. It's insane that Flash and Bullock

606
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: have a job, to say nothing of the fact that

607
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: they are actually thriving in the police department. But here

608
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: it is they murder a man in cold blood in

609
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: front of the cameras of the press that are flashing away.

610
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: Firebug goes falling out of a window to the street below,

611
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: and O'Brien of the Gazette actually fucking loves it. He

612
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: loves everything he's getting, which I will say, I am

613
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: a little I don't love the depiction of the press.

614
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: It's a little hack, like we need them right now.

615
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: I understand that this is if it bleeds, it leads

616
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but we got to put it out

617
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: there that the PD is corrupt, and O'Brien is doing it.

618
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't love his methods, but he is doing it anyway.

619
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: Gordon gets the drop on Batman, just as the Cape

620
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: Crusader is like saving children from the flames. Gordon is like,

621
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: I know this, this is my beat. I know how

622
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: he get out of here. We get out of here

623
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: through the through the laundroom. They get out, and Gordon

624
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: is like, haha, I'm gonna Batman disappeared again. Gordon is

625
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: a he calls Flash and bullok In is like, you, guys,

626
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: you've committed murders, to say nothing of the fact that

627
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: East Side Flats burned down because of you. I am

628
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: pulling you off the task for But then Mayor Jessup

629
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: calls and he's like, hey, Gordon, I love the moxie,

630
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: a flash of Bullock. I love the way they just kill, kill, kill,

631
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: without any compunction. They are in charge of the task Force.

632
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: Now what I know, Commissioner Gordon was demoted.

633
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: And this is why we need Batman, sadly, Danny because

634
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: of this is this, how this is like how this

635
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: is how Gotham City works.

636
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: Gotham is really corrupt. Batman has taken taking it and

637
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: there is no law. When the law is corrupt, then

638
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: you have to take it into your own hands.

639
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Something that came up while I was watching this,

640
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: it's like, why do we love Batman? Like early Batman

641
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: stories so much? Batman just starting out pre Robin getting

642
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: his feet wet, the emergence of the of the Rogues

643
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: Gallery seemingly as a response to Batman. Why why is

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Speaker 1: it that we love these stories? Why do we have

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Speaker 1: to like we there's a reason that we have to

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Speaker 1: see crime Alley in the Pearl. Seemingly every Batman story

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Speaker 1: there's maybe no hero or villain that is more directly

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Speaker 1: connected to the reason they do.

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Speaker 2: The thing.

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Speaker 1: In the way that Batman is why do you think

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Speaker 1: we love stories like this so much?

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Speaker 2: Well, he's also very complex, and I feel like this

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Speaker 2: is his I feel like we relate to his need

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Speaker 2: for control. Something horrible happened into his life that is

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Speaker 2: completely out of his control that he can never change ever, ever,

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Speaker 2: ever again, this is his control. And he also I

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Speaker 2: think what doctor Quinzel was pointing out is he's like

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Speaker 2: punishing himself in some way and he does so. He's

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Speaker 2: incredibly complex and introspective and yeah, dealing with trauma in

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Speaker 2: a way that that is helping him cope.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, Like he is putting himself

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Speaker 1: in these situations where he's getting punched, he's getting kicked,

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Speaker 1: he's getting a beaten up, and on a certain level,

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Speaker 1: like he feels like he deserves it, which is is

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Speaker 1: so it really is a really complex psychological picture for

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Speaker 1: a hero that kids love. Like That's one of the

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Speaker 1: things I love about Batman is the more you think

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Speaker 1: about Batman, the more he changes and becomes deeper, more complex,

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Speaker 1: more weird, more troubled.

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Speaker 2: So he's just living hero, you thought, Yeah, he's living

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Speaker 2: out his childhood fantasy. No child should have to go

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Speaker 2: through that. He grew up with superheroes. I also think

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Speaker 2: like with the age that they picked, it's like the

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Speaker 2: Golden era of comics is what's being represented here in

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Speaker 2: the like forty and like no child should have to

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Speaker 2: go through that. So he is literally being the superhero

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Speaker 2: that he should have had. You know, every kid thinks

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Speaker 2: that someone's going to swoop in and save them and

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Speaker 2: they didn't, and so he's just replaying that cycle again

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Speaker 2: and again and again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the thing that affected me maybe the

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Speaker 1: most throughout these episodes was that first flashback. You see

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Speaker 1: Bruce the murderer just happened, and the detectives are talking

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Speaker 1: to him and in this very kind of like ham

685
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Speaker 1: fisted way trying to like reach him and soothe what

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Speaker 1: has happened, and they just have no ability to do so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially back then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have the language, they don't have they

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Speaker 1: don't have an idea about what's happening to him, and

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Speaker 1: they just can't do it. And he's like so unreachable.

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Speaker 1: It's very very sad.

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Speaker 2: I think this show is great. I think this is

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Speaker 2: so so good. I think it's like number one right

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Speaker 2: now in Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Number one on number one on that platform.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so great. My hat really goes off to

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Speaker 2: the animators, the voice actors, the writers, directors, like, it's

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Speaker 2: just I can't stop watching it. I'm on the second

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Speaker 2: to last episode and I'm kind of like savoring it

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Speaker 2: because I don't I don't want it to end. It's

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Speaker 2: phenomenal and I'm glad that they did like a nod

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Speaker 2: to the Batman animated series and made it their own.

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Speaker 2: That's so difficult to do.

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Speaker 1: It's very very difficult to do. Yeah, making it less

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Speaker 1: a sequel and more spiritual kind of insinuation was very

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Speaker 1: very smart, and they the tone is time period. They

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Speaker 1: just stailed it. It's great. Well, we can't wait to

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Speaker 1: continue to talk about Batman Kate Crusader in continuing episodes.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. X ray

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Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason Gitspsune and Rosie Knight and

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Speaker 1: is a prettyduction of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 1: Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a

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Speaker 1: Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi Our discoord moderator,