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Speaker 1: Ellison el Hassan, my man from ESPN Talks A lot

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Speaker 1: of ship. I try not as much as you know. No,

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Speaker 1: I want to get to that. Um. Thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: on the Iron Wrap Ports Stereo podcast. You're you're you're

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Speaker 1: the SPS. You're fresh off the plane. See are you

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Speaker 1: aware that Tom Brady suspension was upheld? Okay, okay, I've

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Speaker 1: you're sports guy. You're about that life tom Brady suspension

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Speaker 1: at with Tom Brady and his suspension. It's enough, it's enough.

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Speaker 1: You funked around with the balls. I don't keep the suspension.

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Speaker 1: At that point, you think Davidson said, hold them text,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. It's the dumbest thing ever.

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Speaker 1: I agree, If anything, the opposite, there should be a

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Speaker 1: about the conspiracy well, and and and and and this

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Speaker 1: but this whole thing that the NBA has rigged, talk

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is, what it is, I mean, But but Mike,

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Speaker 1: You're winning the game is one that's over three one,

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Speaker 1: But there's the stars and the planets and the moon's

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Speaker 1: aligne we might be able to pull this thing out.

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Speaker 1: And that almost happened for us and Ronald just making

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Speaker 1: that lay up everything right. But uh, so that we

427
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Speaker 1: come out of that like we're disappointed. We thought we

428
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Speaker 1: had a good chance to win the championship that year,

429
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Speaker 1: but feel happy with what beat Like, yo, we got

430
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Speaker 1: a good thing going here. And uh, like a week

431
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Speaker 1: later Steve Kerr leeds and then a day later David Griffin,

432
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Speaker 1: who was the general manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers leaves.

433
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Speaker 1: And this is all because the owner, Robert Sarver, low

434
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Speaker 1: balling people and and going back on his word on

435
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Speaker 1: a couple of promises they had made before the season.

436
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Speaker 1: So now, by the way, I want everyone at home

437
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Speaker 1: was a basketball fan, I think about that. So the

438
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Speaker 1: general manager of the team that just won and the

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Speaker 1: head coach of the team that won last year. We're

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Speaker 1: both on the same team and they got driven out

441
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Speaker 1: at Phoenix in Phoenix, right. That that's that's big basketball.

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Speaker 1: Think about that. I mean, that's like, you know, the

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Speaker 1: team that traded uh Parish and Kevin McHale Gold State

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Speaker 1: Warriors for Joe Joe Berry Carroll. Right, Joe Berry Carroll.

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Speaker 1: Shoutout to Joe Where is Joe Berry Carroll. I don't know.

446
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Speaker 1: I wonder if he's still barely cares though Joe Berry

447
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Speaker 1: Carroll was he could play. You know, He's one of

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Speaker 1: my first introductions into Golden State. That's what I've always

449
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Speaker 1: had Enough Boyd yeah, and then of course Bernard and

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Speaker 1: then of course the run TMC dates. But I've always

451
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Speaker 1: had an affections you a little older than me, like

452
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Speaker 1: run TMC was my like, oh man, what's what's going

453
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Speaker 1: on out there? They were doing it all right? So

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Speaker 1: then go ahead? So then so so still, how do

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Speaker 1: you get to ESPN? How do you be coming like

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Speaker 1: in broadcasts? So they change they change management, right, and

457
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Speaker 1: the guys that come in, I'll put it bluntly, they

458
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Speaker 1: don't know what the hell they were doing. These guys

459
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Speaker 1: are like they I went from people who are live

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Speaker 1: in basketball love that should breathe, that ship would be

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Speaker 1: doing it if they were like working at Taco Bell

462
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Speaker 1: two guys that were in it for who weren't in

463
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Speaker 1: it for the culture. They were in it to get

464
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Speaker 1: the charter flights to you know, to stay at the

465
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Speaker 1: five star hotel, to say I work for such, but

466
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Speaker 1: like they're not watching games or none of that stuff.

467
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Speaker 1: And so I'm getting frustrated, and everybody around me is

468
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Speaker 1: kind of like this is this is the new reality.

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Speaker 1: And I'm the only one who's chirping because I don't

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Speaker 1: know how to keep my mouth shut. Don't do that

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Speaker 1: what you're doing where they do that at Like I'm

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Speaker 1: saying this stuff out loud. So eventually what ended up

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Speaker 1: happening was I'm button heads with these people every day.

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Speaker 1: So basically made the mutual decision like this ain't gonna work.

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving. Uh, we'll go our separate ways. I go out.

476
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Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna get another NBA job, right, so

477
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at such. I got a buddy of mine

478
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Speaker 1: who works for ESPN. He always wanted me to come

479
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Speaker 1: do the podcast with him, do these little videos and

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Speaker 1: I said, can't you know, the team ain't gonna let

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Speaker 1: the middle of the middle manager pretty much start talking

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Speaker 1: for the team or whatever. So as soon as he

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Speaker 1: saw I was out, he's like, well, can you do

484
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Speaker 1: it now? I said, sure, I'm thinking I'll do a video.

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Speaker 1: Maybe one of these teams. I'm talking to a ceilor Hey,

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Speaker 1: he knows what he's talking about. Give me a look.

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Speaker 1: We ended up happening with someone. The ESPN saw it

488
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Speaker 1: and said, does he want to write? Because we're looking

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Speaker 1: for someone right from a front office perspective. And I said,

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Speaker 1: I've never written anything but college papers and scouting reports,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know. So they said, right, a sample piece.

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Speaker 1: Wrote the sample piece, they liked it, said all right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna pay you freelance by the piece, ten pieces.

494
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Speaker 1: At the end of it, we'll see if you like it,

495
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: If we like your work, and we'll talk about something more.

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Speaker 1: So this is blogging for the magazine dot com, right

497
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: for dot com, right for the insider section of the

498
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: subscription section. Right. So after the fourth they flew me

499
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Speaker 1: out the bristol for the whole the car wash, right,

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Speaker 1: and you're just speaking on like you're you're talking you're

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Speaker 1: going on shows talk so and and we started negotiating,

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Speaker 1: and then, uh, probably a couple of months after that,

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Speaker 1: I signed like a contract deal to throw me a

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Speaker 1: bunch of money each month. I gotta just submit so

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Speaker 1: many piece right, that goes to the end of the

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Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen calendar year. At that point, they signed

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Speaker 1: me to a three year deal, the benefits deals. I

508
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: like to call it health dental vision. But most importantly

509
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: I get to Disneyland for free three and my closest friends.

510
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: I got the Disney card in my pocket right now,

511
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Speaker 1: you want to go out of that. Let's go. Let's

512
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: go out, Let's go. We should be podcasting from Disney Lay.

513
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: I'll be thrown up on every guy. It doesn't matter

514
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: what what, what ride it is, how how you sorld

515
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: and so so. And When I signed that deal, they

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Speaker 1: say to me, at the end of the three years,

517
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Speaker 1: you might be doing some TV. Right six months after that,

518
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Speaker 1: I did my first Sports Center hit. It was the Draft.

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Speaker 1: I think they brought me in for Draft week. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling them about the prospects or whatever. They said, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Next after that, they're like, yo, you did a great job,

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Speaker 1: you know. And at that point never done TV before,

523
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: so they were like, do you want to, uh, you

524
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Speaker 1: want to come back next weekend for free agency? As sure. Now,

525
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: this is the summer of Lebron Right wouldn't sign, and

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Speaker 1: we didn't know what was going on, and I've heard

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Speaker 1: of that nobody would sign, right, nobody would sign. So

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Speaker 1: I come back. We're talking about what's gonna happen that

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Speaker 1: about he's still sign Can you come back again? I

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Speaker 1: said sure? And this keeps going on until he signs.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of that they were like, yo,

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Speaker 1: you did a great job. Do you want to be

533
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Speaker 1: in the permanent rotation a Sports Center? I said yeah, sure,

534
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: So that next season I started doing Sports Center regularly.

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Speaker 1: And then what happens in ESPN is because such a

536
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Speaker 1: big company, right, a lot of people don't know I

537
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: didn't know who I was, but everybody in the office

538
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: and that's got a TV and it's on ESPN or

539
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: ESPN two, and so they'll be working like who's this dude? Right,

540
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: or like I'll be on Mike and Mike like who's

541
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: this dude? And can we get him on our show?

542
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: And so what I ended up having like I'd be

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00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: on his and hers I'd be on uh like a

544
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: Lebertard show, and then Sports Nation and then all these things.

545
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, you got some momentum.

546
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: You're already doing digital videos. We're doing things that aren't

547
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: like your standard digital videos on True Hoop TV right

548
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: with with my my boy Ja doing the production. And

549
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: so now I'm starting to do put all this momentum

550
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: now radio saying, hey, you want to do a radio show,

551
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: weekly radio show with with Mark Stein and Brian win

552
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: Hurst NBA insiders. I'm sure, But now all the radio

553
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: people are listening because you just listening all the time,

554
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: like you know, who's he He's got a personality? Does

555
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Speaker 1: he want to come fill in for George do Donna

556
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Speaker 1: when he can't make it for you know, Ryan Rosilo

557
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: when he can't make it. So now I'm doing the

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Speaker 1: fill in jobs and now everyone's hearing me. Lebotard is

559
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Speaker 1: now asking me is to come on as a guest.

560
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Now he wants me to do a guest co host

561
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: for the whole show. Fly to Miami, come to the

562
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: show with us, and it's all kind of building up.

563
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: So what happened with the jump actually was the producer

564
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: Kevin Wild they knew they had to make an NBA

565
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: show part of our TV rights, still a new daily show.

566
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: They didn't know what it was gonna be. This Rachel

567
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: still at Turner, so I was one of the group

568
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: of people they reached out to said what what should

569
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: this show look like? And we shot pilots and a

570
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: different versions and everything, and then when Rachel came aboard, Okay,

571
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: it's Rachel Nichols project. But you know, I knew Rachel

572
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: a little bit and uh, and I knew the producers

573
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: because it was the same producers from Sports Nations. So

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00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: they were like, I think this would be a good fit.

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00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: And that's how I started doing the Jump. And really

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00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: that's the show that between that and sports um Um

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00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Team That and Lebotar, those are the two shows I

578
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: think that you got momentum. Yeah, because Sports Center shout

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00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: out to Sports Center, Sports Nation. I love doing all

580
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: those shows, but those are those with a lot of

581
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Speaker 1: people on the show. Yeah, one day it's Elz Grandison,

582
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: one days, Marcella's one day. So it's like, yeah, I

583
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: might do it, but like, I'm not identified with that.

584
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: Got you I got to Jump, I'm identified with it?

585
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: Did ce Iron Reports stereo podcast. We'll be right back.

586
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Speaker 1: Welcome to play It, a new podcast network featuring radio

587
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Speaker 1: and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more.

588
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: Play it at play dot it. What is your goal

589
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: like now that you're in this and like this is

590
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Speaker 1: like a career, Like what is your like in your head? Like,

591
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Speaker 1: what is your like? Do you want to broadcast you

592
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Speaker 1: you're not a commentator? Like that's a whole and that's

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Speaker 1: a whole Like those guys are like on another level.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll even go one further. I did

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Speaker 1: sideline at the summer league Friday. Okay, did say hard?

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Speaker 1: Why is it hard? So you're doing it like they're

597
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: doing all? Right? Do you three to one? It's lie?

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00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: It was like and and it means right now next

599
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Speaker 1: next to Luke Walton. Right, so I'm talking and you

600
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: gotta produce in your ears saying ask this, ask that,

601
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Speaker 1: and then said keep asking questions, keeping and so you

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Speaker 1: know you want all My thing is I don't want

603
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: to ask cliche questions, right, yeah, I want I want

604
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: my questions to be good. I want them to be challenging. Right,

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Speaker 1: So I asked straight up, I asked Tom Thibodeau. You know,

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Speaker 1: how do you keep how do you control yourself? Because

607
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Speaker 1: you're the president and the coach, so you can overrule

608
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: yourself as president to do something that the co clearly wants, right.

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00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: And I asked Alvin Gentry, yo, you guys lost Ryan Anderson.

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Speaker 1: I thought, he's a big party offense where you're gonna

611
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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do now? And you're asking these

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Speaker 1: guys just during the middle of the game. In the middle, well,

613
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Speaker 1: you're working their work, and the last thing they want

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Speaker 1: to be doing is talking anyway. Right, But I will

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Speaker 1: say this in summer leagues, so nobody gives a funk really, right, Okay,

616
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Speaker 1: so they're a little bit more and more relaxed. But

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Speaker 1: even within that relaxation, I'm still kind of like, yo,

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Speaker 1: it's it's hard, man. I can't imagine what it would

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Speaker 1: be like to ask Papa bits to the first quarter

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Speaker 1: when they got blown out, right in a playoff game

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Speaker 1: like that, that like with seger and and Lisa Salters

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Speaker 1: and all those people, do you know much respect? And

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Speaker 1: I could never do that A challenging job, Oh yeah, man,

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00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: Same thing with the play by play people saying color

625
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Speaker 1: commentators people think that's easy, man, that's no joke. It's

626
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Speaker 1: not because it's not like you're not You can't just

627
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Speaker 1: riff and like Summarily, you can't because again, nobody gives

628
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: a ship about what's happening on the floor. It's more

629
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Speaker 1: about what did your team do in the off season?

630
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Speaker 1: You know, what should we expect from the next year.

631
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Speaker 1: And then you see Ben Simmons do somethings like, yo,

632
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Speaker 1: he's gonna look great when he's doing that alongside Jared

633
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: Bailliss whatever. It's low key right in a game game

634
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Speaker 1: like you gotta be addressed Albert? Is it more Albert

635
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: because it's it's not because his voice is dope, which

636
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: it is, but it's not just that he's got an

637
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: uncanny way of describing what's happening but also doing in

638
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: a funny way. He's not dry. He can crack jokes

639
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: and then like also that ability to transition from we're

640
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: joking here, oh shut something and make yeah, those guys

641
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: are great. They don't put anybody on blast or anything

642
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: like that. Those guys are Those guys are good. So

643
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: so what did you see it at Summer League? What?

644
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: What what was impressive? What was not impressive. What what

645
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: board you to tears? I've been down to some of

646
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: those summer league games. It is. It's amazing because these

647
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: guys are playing for their life, some of them, some

648
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: of them and many of them. And the reality is,

649
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: just like you said, nobody cares. It's not that it's

650
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: sort of a Las Fair. It's Vegas. So I don't

651
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: know why you're putting old first round drafts in Vegas,

652
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: first of all, because that's the life. So I was

653
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: having this argument last night with somebody that Orlando Summer

654
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: League is better. It lets the focus on basketball. I said, look,

655
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: when we start this season right and we hit up

656
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: that first South Beach trip, right, ain't gonna be focusing

657
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: on basketball. They're gonna have to be mature adults. And said,

658
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: this is business, this is life. Now, you gotta be able.

659
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: Ain't no bed checks, I got curfewsed, Mommy's not there

660
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: to make sure that you're a grown man. You want

661
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: to go out hard, right, go out hard, but guess

662
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: what tomorrow better, we better be ready, and if you're not,

663
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: you lose your They check that. So it's kind of

664
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: like it worked out for it worked out. It's got

665
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: its own self check, right, So I'm not here like

666
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the discussion, especially with the young guys.

667
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: I'll have the discussion a lot with them. We're in Vegas, guys,

668
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: this is when I was with the team in Vegas.

669
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: Don't like we give him a per diem. Per diem

670
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: was like a hundred fifty bucks a day and give

671
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: it to them all up front. So we're in Veggas

672
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: ten days and get fifteen hullars cash straight cash. Homie. Here,

673
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: we're go in an envelope. Don't lose. I don't when

674
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: we see lose it all on the table and you're

675
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: asking me, can I get you something? And some of

676
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: these guys can't even get the nineteen. Like, how isn't

677
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: there one kid from the Lakers, the skinny Kid. I

678
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: don't even think he's yo. Is he eighteen or nineteen?

679
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna turn he has to turn nineteen before.

680
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: That's incredible. You told about an eighteen year old kid

681
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: right now or possibly just turned nineteen. The fact that

682
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: these kids are playing in the NBA is just it's

683
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: a It's a magical, beautiful, crazy, dangerous. It's just incredible.

684
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a Really it's a really special

685
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: thing when you and you think about the talent, like

686
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be going out there at some point in

687
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: crossing paths with Lebron straight up going from dudes posters

688
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: on your wall to now this guy is talking to

689
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: me and I gotta bust his app and and like

690
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: that that dude in Phoenix last year, the rookie he

691
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: looked he was eighteen when he got drafted. But he's

692
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: a different story because his dad played Melvin Book. He

693
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: played like the guys who had fathers play professionally, especially

694
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: their fathers weren't like super duperstars, right if your dad

695
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: wasn't Magic Johnson and Michel Dooring, like you know the

696
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: work involved in like the preparation and this is if

697
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: you almost have a short cut. Yeah, Like it's like

698
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: what not to do and what did you do exactly right,

699
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: as opposed to like Michael will be like why don't

700
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: you just pass it over there? Why don't you just

701
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: make this out? Like you can't articulate it because greatness

702
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: came to him and now he works hard, but there's

703
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: an element of greatness that just like yo, I can

704
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: never replicate that, right, But like a guy like Melvin Booker, Like, uh,

705
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: who's another like Steph Curry his dad Dell Curry. These

706
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: dudes weren't guaranteed their livelihood, Like it wasn't like y'all

707
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: signed a seven year deal we set like you kind

708
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: of like gotta keep worrying about you know, I am

709
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: I stable in this league and as my job, am

710
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: I gonna get my next job? I'm want the contract now?

711
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: But free agencies coming up? Well people want me, Well

712
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: I get the dollar amount of one. So they gotta

713
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: do all types of things and watching film and prepping

714
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: and working in the gym and all those actually eating

715
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: good all that stuff. And so if you're a kid,

716
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: you grow up, you just know that's this is what

717
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: it is. They look at it like more of like

718
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: a job, right, like if you if this is what

719
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: you want to do for a living, this is how

720
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: you do the job. And so they get a leg

721
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: up in many respects. Coincidentally, I feel like a lot

722
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: of the reason why Austin Rivers is not as good

723
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: as he probably should be is because Doc when he

724
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: was going up, Doc was in Boston. Austin's in Orlando,

725
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: so he really didn't grow up like he wasn't old

726
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: enough when his dad was playing to know what it

727
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: was like. And when by his time his dad is coaching,

728
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: he's not around him. I was going to bring up

729
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: the Austin River, So what happened with you and what's

730
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: up with you in the Rivers family in general? Because

731
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: because there was a there was a beef quote unquote beef,

732
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, Twitter beef whatever. But what happened like break

733
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: down the the you and the Rivers family beef? And

734
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: have you been to a Rivers family reunion? Have you

735
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: gotten that invite? I have not gotten that invite. What

736
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: happened was all right, So I'm very as you we

737
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: point out, I'm blunt. So I feel like there's a

738
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: lot of things that Doc Rivers as a GM does.

739
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: It's just terrible. It's not a good GM. Like he's

740
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: infatuated with signing guys either played for him or played

741
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: really well against him once upon a time. So when

742
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: you see a Hed Turklu, a Glen Big Baby Davis,

743
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: like all these kind of signings, I mean, when these

744
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: guys are clearly washed, when these guys are clearly like

745
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: not NBA caliber. Yeah, because like I remember one of

746
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: that time he gave us work like that's all or

747
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: remember he was good for us or whatever. Jeff Green

748
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: is another one, So there's a lot. They gave up

749
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: a first round pick for Jeff Green. Think about that.

750
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: That's crazy and then let him walk, you know, so

751
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: I would have nothing nothing. They gave up something for nothing.

752
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: Even if they kept them, they still gave up something

753
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: or nothing. But now they really got nothing right to

754
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: show for. So he doesn't manage the team up from

755
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: a GM standpoint, right, And one of the things I

756
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: think is they in I don't what's the word I'm saying,

757
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: they in Bolden Austin Rivers, who is a marginal NBA

758
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: player to act and feel like this guy's a starting

759
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: to make it. So I'll be honest, this dude is

760
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: not good. Do you don't think he's good? I don't

761
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: think he's a good bass Do you think he should

762
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: not be played like? Do you think he's not NBA level? Oh,

763
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: he's NBA level, But in the same sense that like

764
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: like he should be like the Blanks and Galloway. You

765
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, right, So if you if you

766
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: in this Lank has had a lot of opportunity in

767
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: New York because they didn't have any other change, They

768
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: didn't have any other right, but the Clippers are not

769
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: the next right Langston Galloway got opportunities because they had

770
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: no talent. This dude is getting like big minutes and

771
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: just got a thirty five million dollar contract with nothing

772
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: to show for. So so go ahead. So what happened

773
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: with you? And I just I'll say these things like

774
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: I'll be like wow, like you know, a nice job, awesome.

775
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: Ever it goes again like I'm I'm I'm I'm honest

776
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: with this stuff. So what ended up happening was and

777
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: I was minding my business at night. I wasn't even

778
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: thinking about the Clippers or anything out of the blue.

779
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: The youngest Rivers son gets on Twitter says, I wish

780
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: I could fight. I mean right, I mean so I

781
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: think it's a joke. I'm like ha ha ha. So

782
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: I say, man, don't don't end up like on that

783
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: Summer Jam screen, right, because like I'll put you on

784
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: blast right, And he says, ha ha. But my brother

785
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: can't talk, so I have to do the talking for him.

786
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: So square up. He's ready to he's hold on, he said,

787
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: square up. Nigga, right, So that's like, all right. So

788
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm you know, this guy is a college he's still

789
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: a child even though he's above eighteen. And he doesn't

790
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: play either. He's like a bench warmer on a small school.

791
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, it does mean no good to

792
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: get into, especially like I'm not gonna I'm a grown man.

793
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fight anybody unless unlet's we're about to

794
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: fight because it's something, right, so I'll let it go.

795
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, whatever I swear to got karma

796
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: is a bit because not ten minutes later, Austin Rivers

797
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: had that miss dunk against Spurs and and so I

798
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: tweeted the video link and I said, karma right right

799
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: on point or something. I made some and then everybody

800
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: just started roasting, right, because that's how Twitter is Twitter

801
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: weights for some time, Twitter, Twitter is a vicious animal machine.

802
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: It's a vicious it's a vicious place for things to

803
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: go wrong. And I've been on the I've been on

804
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: the wrong side of the law. But Twitter, like, have

805
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: you did you were you like, oh my god, what's happening?

806
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: Because I knew because first of all, because I've I've

807
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: seen it happen that when it stud of happened to me,

808
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: I knew it was just like you just gotta you

809
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: gotta wait it out, know, you just gotta literally like

810
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: just like just just let go right everything, Yeah, and

811
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: just just just accept it. And to me, when it

812
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: happens happened to me probably like three times. Any time

813
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: it happens, just retweet it all. Man, I go, I

814
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: gotta go along with the jokes because you know what,

815
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: I get it right, this is it's my time. I agree,

816
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: because because if I'm a ship talker, and I feel

817
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: like if you're a ship talker, you know, sometimes sometimes

818
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: you gotta take it. And I don't think you become

819
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: a good ship talker without taking good But but you

820
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: know how it is because it didn't start when I

821
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, when you signed up a Twitter. It didn't

822
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: start when when you became a celebrity started years ago, years.

823
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: I didn't practice it of years and paid professional since

824
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: the first time he was in the cafeteria and somebody

825
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: made something before even before I even made it to

826
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: the cafeteria, I was talking, shit, it's it's, it's but

827
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: it's it's but that's what I'm saying that the essence

828
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: started a long ext and for most ship talkers, the

829
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: good ones. Yes, I guarantee you could think right now

830
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: of the group of people that you should talk with

831
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: the most throughout your life, and you're not even number one,

832
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not. That's how you know. Their faceless name

833
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: was great ship talking. Just like exactly, there's always something

834
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: if you really are you really really ship talker, you

835
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: should talked with the best of them, and you know

836
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: there's oh no, there was that one dude. He got

837
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: me bad. And you gotta be able to give it

838
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: and take it because you can personally, because that's that's

839
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: the only way, you know. So these guys are a

840
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: lot of people will get on Twitter and they try

841
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: to say something, Man, I got a great segue here.

842
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want anybody get in trouble, but

843
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: I got a great segway of anyway. The people on

844
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: Twitter they talk ship and then it gets thrown back

845
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: at him, and they don't know how to react because

846
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: they've they've never had that kind of upbringing, that collegiate

847
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: experience in cottage school. A hard knocks and I go

848
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: back to there was an incident. I'm not going to

849
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: use specific so that we could protect the innocent. But

850
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: it was an incident where someone was talking ship about you,

851
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: and then your loyal fan base they they went in

852
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: on him and he got sensitive and he made phone

853
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: calls complaining. And my thing was like, look, if you

854
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: don't want that ship to happen, stop talking ship, yo,

855
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: stop talking ship, because if you don't want that ship

856
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: to happen, stop talking to especially with the wrapper pack,

857
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: because the fans, the fans don't have kill, we have chill.

858
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: Even though we come across as chill, there still is

859
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: an amount of chill because it's got your protocol. Because also,

860
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: like if if you're any sort of public person, the

861
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: the the there's no winning. If you get into an argument,

862
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: even if you win, there's no winning. And if you

863
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: get an argument and if you wos, there's no winning.

864
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: But when it's just fans and fans and are followers

865
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: on and they're relentless and and and they could say

866
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: whatever they could swing, they could miss so anyway. So

867
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: but the point being like that was my my whole

868
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: thing was like, man, if you're not emotionally mature enough

869
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: to handle this like it's really is, you don't have

870
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: to You could have just said I don't agree with

871
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: what he said on that show and kept it at that.

872
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: And and so people always say, oh, why you roasting people?

873
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: Incent of them came at me disrespectful. They say, I'm

874
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: not so sure you said Tim Duncan's been a Kobe Ryant.

875
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about that. It's never that, oh

876
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: you fucking clown all the fun? Do you have your job? Like,

877
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: all right, you want to do that? And and you

878
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: might it might be in a bad mood. You might

879
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: be bored, you might be taking it you who know,

880
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm never in a bad mood. I wait for those

881
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: people don't know. How do you deal with like so

882
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: so so in regards like, look, ESPN is is a brand.

883
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: You work with ESPN and ESPN also it's like it's

884
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: owned by his name, So how do you personally keep

885
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: it where your PC enough but but also street credit

886
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: enough in terms of to be yourself, like how do

887
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: you like how do you sort of like EBB and

888
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: flow with that? Because I could find that to be

889
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: to be a challenge, you know what I'm saying. So okay, So,

890
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to think of the name of this dude,

891
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: you're a huge hoops hoops fan, so I know you'll

892
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: know this. I don't know if your listeners are on

893
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: that level, but remember when the Wizards were the Bullets

894
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: and they played at the Cap Center or whatever it

895
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: was called, and there was a dude was Marry and Barry.

896
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: He talked about Mary and Barry though we're talking to hoops.

897
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: I was thinking about marrying back because I saw this

898
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: documentary last night about drug dealers in d C. And

899
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: of course, if you're talking about anytime, they get a

900
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: chance to bring up Marry and Barry anyway, so go ahead.

901
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: So I just think I got reelected by the way

902
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: Barry was that dude. Think about like what it takes

903
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: to think about thinking about what it takes to be

904
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: caught on surveillance, get to be the mayor court freaking

905
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: off doing whatever he was doing. I remember it was hookers,

906
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: it was coke, whatever he was doing. He was doing

907
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: the whole though that he was doing the car washing.

908
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: And then get real, you're that dude, and and and

909
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: he was. He was. He was blown up on Twitter

910
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: and Instagram before Twitter and Instagram exist. He was that guy.

911
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead anyway. So there was this dude,

912
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: Robin his last name exacting. He was a fan and

913
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: he had seasoned tickets behind the visitors. I remember this

914
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: and this. I don't remember his name, but this is

915
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: that fan, the super fan and all he did with

916
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: talk ship and he like research like he had like

917
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: surgical and I remember reading this interview with this is

918
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: like remember this guy and they and they asked him, said,

919
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, do you ever like I never curse? He said,

920
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: always am cognizant that I'm at a family event in arena.

921
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to ever use language. I don't need to.

922
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: I don't need to get to that level to make

923
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: fun of you. I'm gonna make fun of you for

924
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: your fault. I don't right, I'm not, I'm not. He

925
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: took it seriously. Yeah, I know he was doing like

926
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: we search and stuff like he was really going in, right,

927
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: we gotta as far as a great ship talker. Actually,

928
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: we gotta get go where you know what. When they

929
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: moved to d C, like they up to his season

930
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: tickets like three times. But he's a fan, he's a classic. Yeah. Classic.

931
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 1: So so that was always my things, like I'm gonna

932
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: get on here, I won't have to cuss you out.

933
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: I won't have to use any sort of slurs or

934
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: racial stuff or anything like that. I got enough probably

935
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: out of your either your profile picture or your profile

936
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: Like all I need is a profile picture, and I'm well,

937
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: sometimes I gotta go into like because a lot of

938
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: them like download my music, SoundCloud whatever. Like if I

939
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: catch a profile picture, that's the first thing I look at.

940
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: Your grill is messed up, it's too tight, anything, your

941
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: front teeth, your cock got, your girl's cock id, your

942
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: dogs cock got I'm gonna talk about your dog. I

943
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: don't care what kind of pets, your cat, whatever's going

944
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: If I catch anything in your profile picture and you're

945
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: talking shit, I'm going after you absolutely because because my

946
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: thing is you felt confident enough to either put that

947
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: picture up or put that in your bio. Now we're

948
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: gonna pick it apart. Now we're gonna go out. Now

949
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna go after you want to play that game,

950
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: because like, here's the thing. I'm not sitting here and

951
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: saying I'm Christiano Ronaldo. I get it. My hairline ain't

952
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: what it used to be. I get it. My teeth

953
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: a little big, right, I get it. I had big lips.

954
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: I get it, I'm skinny, I get it. All those things.

955
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 1: You've heard it all, heard it all. Guarantee, y'all weren't

956
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: the first ones to ever say that. A lot of

957
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: asshole friends in my life, we've all made these jokes

958
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: over and over again. But if you've never had these

959
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: jokes made out about you, Yes, it's about to come

960
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: out coming at you. It's coming at you, and it's

961
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: it's life comes at you fast, right, and so that

962
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of so my thing is that's how I

963
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: play within within the line, and it's it's a dance.

964
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: And I've had conversations were like, you know, you need

965
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: to reel it in. They always say you haven't crossed

966
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: the line, but they're always worried I'm coming close, getting

967
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: close to a getting closer. But I feel like, I know,

968
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: I feel like I can play that that I can

969
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: It's a ballet and kind of and I lie, it's

970
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of a a flirtation. You come right,

971
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: exactly what you mean, there's a flirtation with Yeah, it is.

972
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: It is tantric alright. So let's get to sports, get

973
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: quick hits. Who made the biggest offseason Who improved the most. No,

974
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: come on that second. Most. Is it is? It is?

975
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: It is, it is? It is gonna work. You know

976
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: why because they have a system in place already. He

977
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: knows what he signed up for because that's what he wanted, right,

978
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: that's he saw what he was doing, This traditional NBA

979
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: style of the last forty years or whatever, where the

980
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: star gets the ball, you know, the old duck Collins,

981
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: give it a Michael Ever, get the funk out of

982
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: the way, right, that's what he's been doing for nine years.

983
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: It ain't working. And he looks over there and he

984
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: sees look how easy their shots are, Look how fun

985
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: they're how much fun they're having, right, and winning like

986
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: nobody else has won, right even with the finals loss. Right.

987
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: So in that sense, he knows what he's signing up for,

988
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: and they have a system in place. So it's different

989
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: from when Bosh and and Lebron went down to Miami,

990
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: three guys that never played together for everything else's piecemeal

991
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: and we don't even know what offense we're gonna run

992
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: because it's so different from what we were doing years past. Right,

993
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: that ain't this situation that he's coming in. He knows

994
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: what he's doing so they're going to get so funny.

995
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: We didn't even say his name this whole conversation. We're

996
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: talking about Kate, David West. David West is the is

997
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: the key, that's the key off season that it's crazy?

998
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: Is he twelve million dollars? How rich is David but

999
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: you knowion dollars in Indiana? Yes he did. But you

1000
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: know what a lot of people David West jokes. I

1001
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: like David West, David West beyond I like the way

1002
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: he plays. David is one of the if I might

1003
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: use this word in the most affection of the ways,

1004
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: it's one of the realest niggers in the NBA. Is

1005
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: he looks like he could smack fire out you honestly, Honestly,

1006
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: when you talk about so we got this thing. When

1007
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: you're building teams, you need guys to call cultures culture centers, right,

1008
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: dudes that because you can't. I don't think you can

1009
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: have a successful locker room where either the culture of

1010
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: the GM has to keep people everybody in check, right,

1011
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: you need someone who's already in there. I don't even

1012
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: need to come in because he's gonna keep it in line.

1013
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: Not because I told him too, but because that's what

1014
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: he's about. David West is one of those things. Is

1015
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: he is he is? He does. I don't like all

1016
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: I know about Like you don't hear about him talking

1017
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: like you know, but they seem like a tough guy,

1018
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: Like he seems like he could kick some absolutely, but

1019
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: he's not like a fake like the fake tough guys

1020
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: out there trying to fight all the time. You know.

1021
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like he's like a guy. He's like, he's

1022
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: like a guy like you smell. I don't want trouble yet,

1023
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: so I'll give you my favorite real tough guy story,

1024
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: Jerry Stackhouse. That's a real tough guy. That's because when

1025
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: young guys get into it, their vets pulling back. Said,

1026
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: let leave stack alone. Right, So there's a great story.

1027
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: I wish I remember who which player It was some

1028
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: dumb some dumb fuck. Let's just say some dumb fuck,

1029
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: some young dumb fuck tried Jerry and Jerry was like

1030
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: and the guy kept talking. He's like, He's like, all right,

1031
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: let's see what happens after the game. Game ends, Jerry

1032
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: Stackhouse goes back to his locker room, showers, changes, puts

1033
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: on his suit and tie, Jerry's a very professional guy, right,

1034
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: he's he wears a three piece suit, dress code or not.

1035
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: He's got the pocket square, put the gleam, the blings

1036
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: in and the ears gleaming. He's out there answering questions

1037
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 1: very calmly about the game. That's what happening. What about

1038
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: that altercation? Oh, you know, it's basketball. Things happen sometimes

1039
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: and guys get in the heat of the moment. Out

1040
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: of that presses over everybody. Gone, Okay, takes the ear

1041
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: rings off, takes off the tie, takes off the shirt

1042
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: in the suit, puts on his practice gear, goes to

1043
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: the bus of the young dumb fun they had to

1044
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: have like the armed security escort. He was ready to shoot.

1045
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: He was ready to bust that Dude's asked, like mercilessly,

1046
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: he's that guy. He's that guy. Who were the guys

1047
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: in the NBA besides David West now that have that

1048
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: reputation that are still playing that or or that are

1049
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: that are in the league? Who were and who are

1050
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: some of the young guns? Like who are some of

1051
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: the young give me? Give me, give me three, give you,

1052
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: I give you a young gun, Give me a young gun.

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00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: James Johnson right, James. I don't know if you know

1054
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: James johnson backstory for the listeners, weren't like super duper

1055
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: NBA fans. This is a dude. He was kind of

1056
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: a mid range draft pick, first round pick. He's had

1057
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,479
Speaker 1: an okay career, but definitely not as good as people

1058
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be. But James Johnson comes from

1059
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: a family, and I'm not exaggerating. It's like there's like

1060
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: twelve brothers and sisters, and everyone including the mom, and

1061
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: the daddy is a black belt in some sort of

1062
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: martial art. The dad's business is he runs an m

1063
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: M A training center. I don't want any problems with

1064
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: the dad, the mom, anybody who knows that, the whole family,

1065
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: they're all as kickers. So James Johnson's sisters, the brothers, everybody,

1066
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: everybody could kick some ass, can roundhouse kick. You can

1067
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: run in a straight line, do a front flip, land

1068
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: on his feet and hit the ground running right now.

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00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: That's not something I could do or I ever even

1070
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: tried to do. But on top of that, James Johnson

1071
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: is he's one of this is there are some guys

1072
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: who are bullies who pick on the week, right, James Johnson.

1073
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: Isn't that This is the most fascinating guy I've ever seen.

1074
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: James Johnson is the guy who picks on the bully.

1075
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: So the word was in high school, all his closest

1076
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: friends were like the meek, the kids that were like disabled,

1077
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: the kids who were like dorks in the nerd like

1078
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: those were his friends. And and why was because he

1079
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: was walking around were just hoping that somebody would pick

1080
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: on him so he could bust their ass. And so

1081
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: James Johnson in the NBA right now, I can't remember, man,

1082
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: I wish I remember. Someone just told me the story

1083
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: the other day. There's a player I can't remember who

1084
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: it was, but someone who's talking trash the whole year,

1085
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: and to him, no in general, and James's whole thing

1086
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: was like I can't wait for him to say something

1087
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: about me so I can just destroy him. And the

1088
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: guy never said it because he wanted to though He's

1089
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: looking to kick some ass. Who who were the other

1090
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: tough guys in the league. David West David West definitely,

1091
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: I mean everybody. I mean Ron Artest is everybody kind

1092
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: of knows, like, you know what, Ron's a sweetheart. That's

1093
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: like people don't get it wrong to sweetheart. But he

1094
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: just he's got crazy eyes. Well he's got he's got

1095
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: eyes that make you go, I mean black out right,

1096
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: and he's he's got his stripes. He's proved, he's proved.

1097
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: And Matt Barnes people because he's light skin and he's

1098
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: got pretty hair and everything. And I'll be sure ship. Yeah,

1099
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: everyone thinks Matt Barnes is real. And we have Matt

1100
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,959
Speaker 1: Barnes in Phoenix. Yes, I got stories that I'll never tell.

1101
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: Matt Barnes is real, fucking deal. Do not try him.

1102
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: Don't try him on the street, don't try him on

1103
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: the court. He's one of those guys because he's got

1104
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: but he's got he's got the eyes too, Like when

1105
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: you're up on that barn You're like, I don't want

1106
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: no problems with him. I'm not gonna make any Christopher Williams,

1107
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: I'll be short jokes. You got crazy eyes too, Like

1108
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: it's in the eyes you could tell Donna's has him. Yes,

1109
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: another one. He's a goon. He's a straight up goon.

1110
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: I don't like him because I'm I'm a New York

1111
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: Knicks fan and I don't like him. From way back

1112
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: when and I'm never gonna like him. Okay, I didn't

1113
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: like him when he had hair. I don't like him

1114
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: when he had braids. I don't like this. I don't

1115
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: like him. I wouldn't tell us to his face. I'm

1116
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: just letting you know, all right. So, so who what

1117
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: teams improved the most? Besides I would say the Boston Celtics.

1118
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: Why Al Horford, who was by everyone's account, I think

1119
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: the number to free agent on the market. We're not

1120
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: counting Lebron obviously. Um So he's a guy that fills

1121
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: a need for them. He makes them better because he's

1122
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: so smart, such a smart player of high I Q

1123
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, team player, um leader,

1124
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: because you need a little bit of that. You need

1125
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: someone Again, I wouldn't put him David West level culture center,

1126
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: definitely an adult in the room. Who else improved themselves?

1127
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: But Minnesota is still I mean I thought they could

1128
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: have done more. Utah improved themselves. Why they went out

1129
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: and got Joe Johnson left in the tank. But they

1130
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: don't need him to be anything left in the tank

1131
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson. They need professionalism and also just a vet

1132
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: like because last year they were in the playoff picture,

1133
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: and they had this massive collapse in the last couple

1134
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: of years. You know, guys are guys again, Jeny out there.

1135
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: You need someone who've been there, not maybe not to

1136
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: make the play specifically, but just to talk these guys

1137
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: to these moments. Right, Joe Johnson's had to say what

1138
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: you want. You got a lot of money. But he's

1139
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: had a good career. In this week, he's been in

1140
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: those moments. They traded for Boris dial high level, one

1141
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: of the most intelligent basketball player ever been. Loves it, donuts, love,

1142
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: just loves his cappuccino absolutely as he should. And what

1143
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: about my neck? And they traded with GEORGII to George

1144
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: and he got rid of the blonde here he did

1145
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: he would no longer remember meteor Man wasn't. Oh yeah,

1146
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: I remember him, and I also remember Cisco anyway, so

1147
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: so so so what about the Knicks. What's the reality

1148
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: of the Nicks? What's the reality of Derrick Derrick Rose?

1149
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the Derrick Rossing is a humongous if, right,

1150
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: It's one of the biggest ifs going into next season. Right,

1151
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: So it's my personal opinion is I don't think he

1152
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: can ever be the player he wants watched. I agree,

1153
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: but he can need to be. He doesn't need to

1154
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: be as long as he understands because if he's still

1155
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: trying to live in the past, then you got a problem. Right.

1156
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: But if he if he tempers his expectations, he can

1157
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: be a much better version of Derrick Ross. Right. Joakim Noah,

1158
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: obviously I don't do like man. Joakim Noah came in

1159
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: the league, got raged about the Bulls and said, I

1160
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: grew up a nick fan. I hated the Bulls, but

1161
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: then like bought in to be in the Chicago like

1162
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: he's he's a steck I love. I don't know. I

1163
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone literally in the last maybe in

1164
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: the last maybe since I don't know, since who since

1165
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: Bernard King, probably who had the pride of like, oh man,

1166
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm finally a nick like Joe Kim nobody, I'm not.

1167
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: And no disrespect to Oak and Pat, but they weren't.

1168
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: They didn't. They're not from New York. And he really, like,

1169
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, because he's four in his dad's fourn and

1170
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: he has that sort of you know, sort of he

1171
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: just has that thing about him. I love that, Dudeeah.

1172
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: But you know he grew up in the city. Yeah,

1173
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: he's and he's also rob to begin with, So for

1174
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: for him to be Rob Rod with the Knicks, and

1175
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: also at this point in his career where he's been

1176
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: through some stuff, he's been through injuries. He's been like

1177
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: they've been closed, they went down, changed coaches, the garden.

1178
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: You're you're right, I don't. I haven't. He's gonna have

1179
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: at least one play a night where everyone just gets

1180
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: up in cheers. They're gonna go nuts. He's he's gonna

1181
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: he will bring you memories of Charles Oakley and of

1182
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: Starks and Granthony Mason and the rest in peace all

1183
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: those guys. He's got an IF two because the injuries injuries, right,

1184
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: So then we go to the next guy. Have you

1185
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: ever seen a shot as as as disfigured as as

1186
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: I didn't notice until I was in Chicago and I

1187
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: saw them live and I was like, is that Like

1188
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe it was a mistake. That's a disfigure

1189
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: He's right there with Bill Cartwright. No, Jamal Silk Wilks,

1190
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: those guys made shots. Cartwright was the score. He makes

1191
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: that shot, by the way, he's like a seventy breath

1192
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: shooter with that when he but it's not just his

1193
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: free throw, it's it's it's like the first time you

1194
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: see it and notice it, you're like, did I that

1195
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: is that? An a maglamation? And then you're like, this

1196
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: is the way? How did he make it to the

1197
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: NBA with that? It's incredible because you didn't draft him.

1198
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: Crazy though, that is, but he's got it to a

1199
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: point where it worked. It works for it's like a sideball,

1200
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: like exactly, that's exactly what he spends it like off

1201
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: his hands. But I love Noah. Okay, so so who

1202
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: and I think that these guys, I don't I've never

1203
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: seen him play. I can't say their names correctly. Willie

1204
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: Hermanus Nan Gomez exact how they say is saying it

1205
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: for today, Nonz. If you want to, you gotta try

1206
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: to do an accent. And the other dude, Kusamingus Medingis.

1207
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: I have a good feeling about both of these guys.

1208
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: I think, you see this is the part we need

1209
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 1: to temporar your expectations. Though I'm not saying everyone's gonna

1210
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: be Porzingis and I'm not saying Porzingis is Dirk Navinski.

1211
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I don't think that Persingis is

1212
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: Dirk Navinski. But I'm not one of these people like Dirk.

1213
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: Perzingis is gonna average thirty three points next year. But

1214
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: I just feel like he hit it with Porzingis and

1215
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I have a good feeling their

1216
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: international scouting is going. By the way Ernan Gomez played

1217
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: with Porzingis on the same Spanish team. That's that's how

1218
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: they saw him. They were watching. That's some say he's

1219
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: pretty good too. So I feel like, again I'm managing that.

1220
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: Do I think you know? You know what else? I

1221
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: like for Courtney Lead that's a solid guy. That's a good,

1222
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: solid guy you and they needed, like Courtney Lee is

1223
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: what they thought they were getting in the air and

1224
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: a flower. And I told I could have told everybody

1225
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: last time. I was like, look, if you think I

1226
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: was going to come here to play defense and just

1227
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: hit not bad attitude. He just has an image of

1228
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: himself that is not congruing with. Now you're in Sacramento,

1229
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: follow you did thanks for hathing. Don't let the door

1230
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: hit you sorry because he did it wrong. And well,

1231
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: but that's but I don't think he did them wrong,

1232
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: because I think if you did your homework, you would

1233
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: know that's who he is. He's a guy who thinks

1234
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: he should be like a starting shooting guard at the

1235
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: All Star Game. And like when everyone has this image

1236
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: of him when he was in Denver years ago playing defense,

1237
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: hitting that corner three parties over for him, it's like, yo,

1238
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: those I was when I was an intern. I'm full

1239
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: time now. I got benefits, i got vision, I got

1240
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: the Disney pass. I'm not going back to that life.

1241
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: But so they thought they were getting the intern and

1242
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: they didn't get that. And you saw you saw Ben

1243
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: Simmons play live. What what is your your your your

1244
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: take on what you saw so far in the Summer League?

1245
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: Did he look like he got sleep um and and

1246
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: and because what I saw I saw he likes to pass,

1247
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: which is always a good thing. But is this guy

1248
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: going to make an impact immediately? Yeah? You know, here's

1249
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: the tough part this. I went on sports and I

1250
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: said this, and I think I made a lot of

1251
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: people uncomfortable. Is that Ben Simmons is like p E

1252
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: d S. You give me p E D S. I'm

1253
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: not doing ship on a baseball diamond, I'm still terrible.

1254
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: You get p ds A Verry Bonds. He's the greatest

1255
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: baseball player of all time, right, so, Ben Simmons, you

1256
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: put him with no talent teammates, he'll have some nice

1257
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Speaker 1: passes like he's doing the Summer League wins and losses,

1258
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: not really gonna impact a lot. You put them with

1259
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: dudes who know how to play. All of a sudden,

1260
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: he's making them look like all stars. And so the

1261
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: better his teammates, the better and better he is. He

1262
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: can improve you in ways that for guys who know

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01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: how to play and know how to school and know

1264
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: how to finish, like, oh, this is great playing with

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01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: the dude like you I supposed playing with a guy

1266
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: I supposed to or if I cut there, I missed

1267
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: that layoup, like like did we do that? Some how

1268
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: to play basketball? He knows how to play basketball. Can't

1269
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: shoot to get some shooting less because because he's got

1270
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: an ugly shot too, he's just looking to It's not

1271
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: like a level, but it's still pretty bad and it's obvious.

1272
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: He's very self conscious about the one thing about no one,

1273
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, it's embraced. Does he doesn't care

1274
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: that it looks bad. He doesn't give a ship. So

1275
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: you think that Simmons, so playing in Philadelphia is gonna

1276
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: be tough the first few the first few years, and

1277
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: again that they get good draft picks. Every single year

1278
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: something goes wrong. Well, you know, I think it's a

1279
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: different management in town now, so so they I think

1280
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna start making some changes. But um, Simmons. So

1281
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: this happened to him in college. He went to L

1282
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: s U. But the team he had wasn't that good,

1283
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: wasn't that good? And what happened was he mentally checked

1284
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: out because when you're a genius level and you're surrounded

1285
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: by people, it's easy to become bitter and like why

1286
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: why should I give a ship? Right? And that to me,

1287
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: that's the biggest concern for not concerning you think he's

1288
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: that level, like he has that potential as far as

1289
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: just understanding the game. You see it Boarsdal genius level basketball. Right.

1290
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean Boss the best player in the league,

1291
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: but boars Dal, if you put them with good players,

1292
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: he loves playing. If you put them with guys on

1293
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: know how to play the guys like, you know what

1294
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: am I doing here? So so for them. Their biggest

1295
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: not concerned the word I should use. Their biggest challenge

1296
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: is to keep him engaged and positive and not lose

1297
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: sight of Hey, look, this is temporary. We're building something.

1298
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna be great. You're gonna be the centerpiece of that.

1299
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: As long as they can keep him on that wagon,

1300
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: I think he can keep playing. But he's got to

1301
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: learn how to shoot and to look for his shot

1302
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: because in the NBA, when they figure out you don't

1303
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: want to shoot, it makes it a lot easier to

1304
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: play defense because we're playing you for the past, and

1305
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: it's harder to find those passing angles. Right, got you?

1306
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: What about this kid who I've been following, I think

1307
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: everybody's following because it's just his size and his look.

1308
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: Thrown Maker who who he scored seventeen and seventeen again? Uh,

1309
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: it's summer league. But is this is this kid? Really?

1310
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he handles the but he's got great footwork

1311
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: for somebody so big. He I never seen a big

1312
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: guy moved the way he moved so fluidly. Right, So

1313
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: he's he's got and explain who he is? Okay, so

1314
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: he thown Makers actually from the same country I'm from

1315
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: he's from Sudan, Okay. That's why that's where I was born.

1316
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: He's born in South Sudan now which is now two

1317
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: different countries. When he was born was all one country. Um,

1318
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: the part of the country he grew up in was

1319
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: war torn. A lot of awful ship happen. He grew

1320
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: up there was a refugee left and for a lot

1321
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: of those people, that me meant walking walking across borders,

1322
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: through dangerous terrain, through land mines, through enemy fire, through

1323
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: wild animals, right, and then from there went to you know, uh,

1324
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: refugee camera. From there, ended up going seeking asylum in Australia.

1325
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: In Australia is where there's a lot of huge popular

1326
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: these people in Australia, and a lot of them are

1327
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: getting introduced to basketball there and now we're seeing those

1328
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: guys actually come of age and now they're coming over.

1329
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: So he came over. He played a little prep school here,

1330
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: with little prep school in Canada, thought about going to college,

1331
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: decided that he was eligible for the draft, you know,

1332
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: legally speaking, because he's nineteen in the year and he's

1333
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: a year removed from his high school class. Declared for

1334
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: the draft. Gets people thought he might go in the

1335
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: second round, maybe late first round, ends up going top ten.

1336
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: He gets tenth in Milwaukee. Um, very very gifted athlete

1337
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: in terms of, like you said, fluid for a guy

1338
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: that side seven one probably with a seven. He looks

1339
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: crazy tall, crazy long, but moves like Durant Durant and

1340
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: but a little bit more filled out. Also, I mean,

1341
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: but he's not like a broken toy. Like when Durant

1342
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: was at age he looked crazy. He still looks like

1343
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: like a broken toy. Like he's like that, Like there's

1344
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: something fluid about this kid, very fluid. Now. The one

1345
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: thing I'll say is his skill level isn't where it

1346
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: needs to be. I was having this conversation with Steven Jackson,

1347
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: our our mutual friend, Captain jack who, by the way,

1348
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: he's trying to make a comeback, and if he does,

1349
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 1: put him on the list of tough guys for sure,

1350
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: right but but but anyway, so Than looks the part,

1351
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: and I can put the ball on the floor and

1352
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: do things, but he's not NBA level, Like you can

1353
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: do that against guys at the level you're doing. You

1354
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 1: try to like his nball get his shot looks nice,

1355
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: but it's still not good enough. So he's got to

1356
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: if you take than maker like the bucks that you

1357
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: have to be patient, you gotta We're gonna put a

1358
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: lot of development work into him and he got the

1359
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: potential of the good thing about him, heart of a lion,

1360
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: hard worker, wants to be great and that's and it's

1361
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: kind of crazy, man. There are a lot of guys

1362
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: that don't want to be great. He wants he wants

1363
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: to be great, and that's that's that's that's a big

1364
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: part of it. But there's, like I told Jack, like,

1365
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that really, fruly wanted to

1366
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: be great and they just look sometimes the talent just

1367
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: it never it never connects the I wanted to be great,

1368
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,919
Speaker 1: Okay I didn't that greated something else, but I wanted

1369
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: to be great on the court. To see Iron Wraport

1370
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: Stereo podcast will be right backwards. Welcome to play a

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01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities, talking business, sports, tech, entertainment,

1372
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: and more. Play it at play dot it. Who do

1373
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 1: you love talking basketball the most? Too? Since you're around

1374
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: all these people, like who who do you like? Go

1375
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: like this is the converse? Like a person besides me

1376
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: of course, But who do you like, Like, who's like

1377
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: one of the best basketball minds in your opinion that

1378
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: you have relationship with or that you've dealt with on

1379
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: the air, Like who do you really Spand there's a lot,

1380
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people. It's and it's you know

1381
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: what it is. My is is the idea that you

1382
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:57,759
Speaker 1: talk to different people from different perspectives. So I enjoy

1383
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: talking to Tracy McGrady as someone who legitimately could have

1384
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: said at one point I was one of the three

1385
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: best playing basketball players on the planet. That's somewhere what

1386
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: none of us have ever Right, So when he says stuff,

1387
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,799
Speaker 1: even if I argue and disagree, I'm still like, Okay,

1388
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: I gotta like you gotta consider it. This is where

1389
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: what it's like when you're standing up here and looking

1390
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: down there. Right. I love talking to Jack about someone

1391
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: who Claude he built this ship, right Claude, Yeah, Captain

1392
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: Jack because he played in Venezuela and then American Republic

1393
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: and what was you know, uh CB or d y

1394
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: call up or whatever and so and then eventually earned

1395
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: his way to making a lot of money and winning

1396
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: the championship and and all that. Right, Um, I like

1397
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: talking to the old heads because I like to know

1398
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: about the game, what it was like, How is different.

1399
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: One of my guys, John Shoemate, he's scout for the Sons.

1400
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: I love a lot from that man. John Shoemate was

1401
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: on the Notre Dame team that broke the u c

1402
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: l A eighty eight game win streak. He was guarden

1403
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,480
Speaker 1: Bill Walton top four pick, so he's seen it all. Elizabeth,

1404
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: New Jersey native played against Dr J at the Rutger

1405
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: one m v P at the He played rug at

1406
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: one time, one m VP back when it meant something,

1407
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: when like again the stars of the NBA will come

1408
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,879
Speaker 1: and play at the So this dude's got like stories

1409
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: of stories, but his career was cut short because he

1410
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: had blood class like like what happened to Chris Bosh,

1411
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: But imagine it happened to you in your rookie year, right,

1412
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: So he's got that perspective the same time I got

1413
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: my man. Mark West played nineteen years in the league,

1414
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: guarded Shack, guarded Hakim, guarded David Robinson, guarded all the

1415
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: great Patrick, all the great centers of the day, and

1416
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: then can tell you, like what it was so like? Wow,

1417
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: is it so hard to guard Hakim because here's why.

1418
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: First of all, he looks skinny. He's the strongest son

1419
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: of a bitch you've ever seen. And he said, the

1420
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: first thing he would do when he catch it is

1421
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: he land on. He jumped and catch on two feets.

1422
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,919
Speaker 1: So what does that mean? He said, he hasn't established

1423
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: his pivot right, So you're out there scared of ship

1424
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: as he's going left and you don't know going on

1425
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: what's going on, and said, and then when he goes,

1426
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: what he'll do is he'll hit you in the chest

1427
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: with a shoulder or with the elbow. And again it

1428
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: doesn't look like it, but it's like it mobilizes, and

1429
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: then he's going. As soon as you react to that,

1430
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: he's always already going the other way. So these are

1431
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: things again I got you, like I can watch Film

1432
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: one all day long. And the dude, because that's not

1433
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: something you've mentioned when you talk about a chem laj

1434
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: one not going to mention and all that, Like, no,

1435
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: this dude, he's hitting you the whole time, and at

1436
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: the end of the game, you're tired. He said. That's

1437
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: why that's why Joe Klein did the best job against him.

1438
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: He was strong because Joe Colin was strong and Joe

1439
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: Klin was so slow that Hakim was going to move

1440
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: and go counter, and Joe never reacted to the first

1441
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: plas you're going to the counter. So, um, what about

1442
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: Phoenix and and and Nash, like, give me, give me something,

1443
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: give me, give me, give me one of your best

1444
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: like during that Phoenix statom are run and and and

1445
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: and my man, uh Dan Tony his mustache, give me him?

1446
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: He shaved the mustache? He did? Why didn't he shave

1447
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: the mustache when he came to the Knicks. He should

1448
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: have shaved the mustache then? Maybe because because I feel

1449
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: like he's gonna do money. He shaved the mustache. And

1450
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: when I look at him, I still see it, like

1451
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 1: the ghost mustache chilling right there? Yea man, what was

1452
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: that like? Being around that like that, the guys that

1453
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: were like they were in their groove. Right, So we

1454
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: had that year. We had a fifteen game winning streak

1455
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: and then we had a seventeen game winning stream. Right.

1456
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: We legitimately went through about three months of basketball where

1457
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: we thought like nobody can beat us, nobody can ever

1458
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: beat us. We had eight guys solid a man rotation.

1459
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: I want to say, five of those guys were shooting

1460
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: thirty seven or better from three and the ones who

1461
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,440
Speaker 1: weren't were shooting better from the field. Like our efficiency

1462
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: was off? The fucking change? Was it all Steve Nash? No?

1463
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,879
Speaker 1: I mean it was. I just like to say symbiotic,

1464
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: like obviously it wouldn't work without Steve, but Amars thought

1465
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 1: him right, he was You could put a lot of

1466
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: people in that position could not do what that guy

1467
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,759
Speaker 1: was doing right, And Steve could throw some bullshit passes

1468
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: and because he knew Mark could catch him. So one

1469
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: of my favorite things was one of those playoff games

1470
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: against the Spurs. Steve went behind the back, left hand

1471
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: through someone's legs in a tight situation, and I'm just like,

1472
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: how can you do that? But then someone I think

1473
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 1: it was Griff explained to me was like, Yo, when

1474
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: you're a genius, you like to push the boundaries, and

1475
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: how genius am I? What's what's my limits? And he

1476
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: went behind the back through someone's leg left hand and

1477
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: a Maria caught that Shi banged out dude that I,

1478
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, used to rebound when I was a video coordinator,

1479
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: and they go to we have like all types of drills,

1480
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: speed drills. I gotta get a bunch of layups up whatever. Mary.

1481
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: When he dun't, it sounded like a sonic boom right

1482
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: and his hands he was like grape fruit the ball,

1483
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: grape fruit the ball and soft touch. He didn't have

1484
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: to dunk it. He had such like he he could

1485
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: accelerate to the rim and then at the last second

1486
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: give it a touch to drop. Um Man, I'm trying

1487
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: to think who else was on that team. Roger Bell dude,

1488
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: real dude, man, real ass dude. That's like, that's my

1489
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 1: vet right there. Like when I first came in. He

1490
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: was a guy that took me under his wed and

1491
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 1: all that, like, uh, tough defensive guy. Uh didn't take it,

1492
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: wasn't scared of any challenge, relentless. One of my favorite stories.

1493
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: You're talking about why he closed on Kobe, that Kobe

1494
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: was hitting him like on the on the rip through

1495
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: with the elbow and then he's he told the rev

1496
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: he does it one more time if you don't stop it,

1497
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to do something to stop it. And did

1498
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: it again and he's like, or no, actually said he

1499
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: did he hits he hits Steve. I think he didn't

1500
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: even do it. Damn it's Steve as the Rodgers went

1501
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: out there and clothes line the ship out of him.

1502
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: And and by the way, that's how you know the

1503
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: real ones. Kobe was like and then he tried to

1504
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 1: do the no you know, yeah, you know who the

1505
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: mess with them? Who not? Because he's seen Kobe trying

1506
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: to be tough, of course, trying to be He doesn't

1507
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: need to be tougher Kobe. Who who's better in their prime?

1508
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: I think Steph and is we could say he's in

1509
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: his prime now, Steph or Steve Nash. I know now

1510
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: Steve obviously played longer at this point, but compare the two.

1511
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: It's now, it's it's it's it's Steph. But what Steph

1512
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: is doing? So I said, remember we there that day

1513
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: when I we went by Scott on the jumpy. Remember

1514
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Lakers and the Warriors who would

1515
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: beat him time or whatever. And I said, the Warriors,

1516
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: because you've never seen that ship before. But what they're

1517
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: doing is built upon generation of generation that are coming

1518
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: off your That was good. So if they see further

1519
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 1: than you the only because they're standing on your shoulder,

1520
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 1: I got you. Yeah, that was good. Because we were

1521
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, what we was just referencing was

1522
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: all these analogies of could the Bulls beat the seventy

1523
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: three uh seven three win Warriors or could the Showtime Lakers?

1524
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: And I think these conversations are so stupid. It's like

1525
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: could Obama beat George Washington? And chess It's like, okay,

1526
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: this this is Mike Tyson versually it's not happening, not happen.

1527
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: It's so stupid. The plot to Rocky five, right, yeah,

1528
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: it's never happening, the Rocky, Rocky six, Rocky six, Yeah

1529
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 1: with the Antonio tar Yeah, that was yeah, exactly. Yeah,

1530
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: And we saw that rock and it was actually Rocky Balboa,

1531
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: which that movie broke my heart to see. That was

1532
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: that was I really did like Creed. I thought it

1533
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: revamped something that I didn't think it was revampable. It

1534
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: had emotion. I thought Jordan was great, I thought Stollone

1535
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: was great, and I thought I thought it was good.

1536
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. I started to go off topic.

1537
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I want to ask you questions. You're a

1538
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: Hollywood guy, You're a movie guy. There's a part of

1539
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: me that's like, you know, I can't stand all these

1540
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: remakes and all these reboots stuff. But then there's a

1541
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: part of me where I'm like some of these things,

1542
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,719
Speaker 1: like Creed, for instance, when you get a good writer,

1543
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: a real writer, not someone who's doing it because yo,

1544
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: Rocky seven will make a lot of money, but some

1545
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: like you know, there's a dope story. We can tell you.

1546
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: It feels like we're getting some good ships. So I

1547
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: look at like the Star Wars and one that came out,

1548
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 1: and I was skeptical. It's all skeptical. Went in there set.

1549
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: I went by myself. I was in Bristol, I had

1550
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: a day off. I went and watched this movie. Man,

1551
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, you're crying in that movie, because I'm like,

1552
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: you know what it was, Mike. I saw a Return

1553
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: of the Jedi in the theater and I and I'm

1554
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: watching this movie. I'm so into the story. And then

1555
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: at one point I felt like I felt when I

1556
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: was watching Return to the like just so into the

1557
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: story and into these characters, and like it hit me emotionally,

1558
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: and you know, I want, like my kid. I was

1559
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 1: in Bristol, like I wish i'd waited. I wish I

1560
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: took my kid to go see this movie, and because

1561
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: I wanted my kids feel that same way that I felt.

1562
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: And so I'm asking you as as a guy who's

1563
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, writer, director, actor, like do you ultimately do

1564
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: immediately not another or or do you like, well, let

1565
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: me see what this is about. It depends, like I know,

1566
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: like Creed for instance, new new new director. You know

1567
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't you know him fighting again, new take on it.

1568
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: Someone had a clear passionate, uh thought out point of view.

1569
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Coogler. I hope I'm saying this right name right,

1570
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: because he's awesome director to fo fill station, you know,

1571
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: with the Star Wars ones and and and the Star

1572
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: Trek ones. It's it's it's hid and miss, you know,

1573
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: because the bar is so high and and and I

1574
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: think that so many things could go wrong, you know

1575
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, when they're just taking titles

1576
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: like one Jump Street, it's like almost like you're just

1577
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: paying for the title, and then it has nothing to

1578
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: do with it. So I think its pros and cons,

1579
01:18:58,600 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think, but I think a lot of

1580
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: it has to do with, you know, trying to capture

1581
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: that nostalgia, you know, and trying to capture you know,

1582
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: like also like it's like you're paying for the franchise,

1583
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But sometimes like it's funny

1584
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:15,560
Speaker 1: the Batman movies that Christopher Nolan did, Like if you

1585
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: go back and watch The Batman with with uh Michael Keaton,

1586
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: which was a classic, Yes, it's kind of like silly cartoonish.

1587
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: I agree. So it's like you got like, but it's

1588
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: the same thing that you said about the Golden States,

1589
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: like their standing, like from that and pushed it forward

1590
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: and Chirstopher Nolan, you know, pushed the folds right, and

1591
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I get you. That's good.

1592
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: That's a good point man. But you no, I'm like,

1593
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 1: so when you are looking at movies, what what what

1594
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: are you looking for? I mean, I think ideally it's like, well,

1595
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just like with sports. You need

1596
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: to be around good people. So you want to have

1597
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: a good director. That's first and foremost you and then

1598
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: and then you you you almost more than a good

1599
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: director is the script, because you know, it's like need

1600
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: the ingredients because you never know if you're making a movie,

1601
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: so many things could go wrong. You know, like you

1602
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: can have a good script, but not a good director.

1603
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: You could have a good script and a good director

1604
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: and it just you know, the tone isn't right. You know,

1605
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 1: the tone of a movie is important, Like you know,

1606
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: is it? How do you know that? Do that before?

1607
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: A lot of that, you don't know a lot of that.

1608
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, you can know the director, you can

1609
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: read the script, and you can have conversations and up

1610
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: the wazoo until you get on that set that first day,

1611
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: and and and then you'll know there's just something you

1612
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: could just inherently, you could just feel if it's right

1613
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 1: or if it's not right, the flow of things, you

1614
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's like any kind of uh,

1615
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, you were talking about your days in Phoenix,

1616
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: like before before they got rid of everybody, there's a syncopation,

1617
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,799
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a there's a like everybody

1618
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: everybody on that same time in the same direction. All right,

1619
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go. How are you feeling about

1620
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: your your your your first time at the SPS. You're

1621
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: going to the SPS tonight. Are you excited? Who are

1622
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: you looking forward to meeting? And do you know if

1623
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: the of her family will be there? So, so it's

1624
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: a three part question, who would be the person you'd

1625
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: be the most excited to see that You've never mad,

1626
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:10,839
Speaker 1: that I've never met. You know, honestly, if Serena Williams

1627
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: is there, and I don't know if she is because

1628
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: he's just coming off a Wimbledon, maybe she is. Maybe

1629
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: she made the long flight in three days and it's

1630
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: relax enough, Serena Williams, because that's like living legend right there. Serena, Like,

1631
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 1: that's you know, you know we talked about and I

1632
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: don't want to be hyperbolic, but she might be the

1633
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 1: greatest athlete male or female, not tennis player, the greatest

1634
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: athlete when you talk about because what she's doing at

1635
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: her age, it's crazy. You don't see that in tennis, right,

1636
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: Like they burn out a long time ago, and so

1637
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: she's managed to stay steadily at that level. She'd be

1638
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: the person to be the most excited. I think so

1639
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: because like Venus, what if what if Venus is? That

1640
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: would be cool to Venus one stepped on my sister's foot,

1641
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 1: I have no problem with. But but but Serena, like,

1642
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Venus is a great player. Serena is like again,

1643
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: might be the greatest athlete about generation right, Um, who else?

1644
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else? Uh, it's weird man,

1645
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: because you know, when you work at you see so

1646
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: many people, right, it kind of it kind of diminishes it.

1647
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: They're all going to be in one room at the SPS.

1648
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: Are you wearing a suit? I'm wearing a suit, man.

1649
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: Shout out to Alba Designs. They hooked me up. Uh.

1650
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: They do a lot of the draft guys. Okay, okay,

1651
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: are you wearing something crazy? No? No, no, no, Benjamin

1652
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: were talking about, we're not doing no calm alone like that.

1653
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: It's a black suit. The shirt leaning me definitely, the

1654
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: euro cut. The shirt is a little bit colored. Shirt

1655
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: shirts a little colorful. Yeah, because here's my I said,

1656
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: I would say I have a conservative taste, but like

1657
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: I want a little flourish. And so they came up

1658
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: with a great concept. The black suit. I'm wearing Jay's

1659
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 1: with I'm wearing and so the shirt is kind of

1660
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: red with some sort of path that's supposed to go

1661
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: with the red in the Jordan logo on you you know.

1662
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: And then the black and then the black tie, skinny

1663
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: black tie. I'm excited now, I'm excited to see what

1664
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 1: I still haven't actually gotten possession of the sup so

1665
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes. Man. But yeah, man, it's

1666
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of weird, you know. And this is

1667
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 1: a nice way to wrap it all up. Man, Like

1668
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: I went from you know, just the dude, even like

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01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 1: I went from a dude laying in bed on a

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01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: Saturday morning, and now it's like I'm first doing a

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01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: podcast of Michael rappabo yo, do you understand your character

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01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: and bamboozoo favorite character all time? It's a good movie. Yeah, man,

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01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: it's a great movie, you know. And and the way

1674
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 1: it was shot, you know, it was ahead of its time.

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01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: Everything was digital, handheld a lot of handheld digital handheld

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01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: planted cameras. It's like it was like we did that movie.

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01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: There would be cameras all over the room and we

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01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 1: would like do a couple of takes and they'd be like, oh,

1679
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: we're done, Like, but we gotta do cover. He was like, no,

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01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 1: it's a camera there, and I'm like, oh, shure, you know,

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01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: it's like Spike cameras. But I didn't know, like you

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01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: didn't know, you know, they were like little playing around

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01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: with all the digital mediums and stuff like that. With

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01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: with Spike and uh a great Ellen Curris the DP.

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01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: So they were they were scoring. Man that was a

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01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: dope movie. Man's still one of my favorites. But yeah, man,

1687
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: so like just to be here. Man, that's like it

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01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense. The funny thing is and and

1689
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: now that problem is the last name, right, I got

1690
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: my my cousin is the president of Greenville, which is

1691
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: a record label that Ja Cole is on. Right, like

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01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: him and j Cole went to college together their best friends.

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01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: And my cousin is the president of this right, and

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01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: I knew all these guys before there or anything. Right,

1695
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: My our best friend who went to high school with

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01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 1: my cousin is Uh, an actor on the HBO series Ballers.

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01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: He was on Power. He hasn't been in a bunch

1698
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 1: of things. I'm obviously doing what I'm doing. And last,

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01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it was last summer we were all

1700
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: hanging out the It was like ten years ago. We

1701
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: weren't doing ship with our lives. And now look at

1702
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: us and we tell like I'll tell people like, oh, yeah,

1703
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 1: that's my boy, and people one of my friends at work, Yo,

1704
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: what it was in the water, Like what happened you

1705
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: guys something. Honestly, it's just all A lot of it

1706
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: is luck, but a lot of it is also when

1707
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: you when you the clouds clear out, and you know, Okay,

1708
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: this is my path. Man. If you if you want

1709
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: that chip, you can get it. And that's that's basically

1710
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: what we all did independently and now it's it's a

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01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: fun time to be where we are like kind of

1712
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: all enjoying each other's success from afar. Well, I appreciate

1713
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: that and that that makes sense, and and you know,

1714
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: it's good for people to hear you know how how

1715
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: you got your start, and and I wish you. Look,

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01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. Enjoy the spiece, you know. Get I'm

1717
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 1: not coming. I'm not coming. Get close to Serena. Get

1718
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: get close to Serena. I don't like events. Too many people.

1719
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: I'll get bored. I'll just see I don't know what

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01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: it's like. So I would go, enjoy yourself. Get close

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01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: to Serena, but don't get too close, okay, because you

1722
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 1: mean her, you know, like she doesn't know it yet.

1723
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: We're kindred spirits. Okay, so just you know, like if

1724
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: you want to say hello, say hello. But I'm just

1725
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: telling you right now, like you know. But if you

1726
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: bring my name up, just make sure you'll see a smile.

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01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: We'll cross our face. It's I Wrap or stereo podcast

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01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: and we're out.