1 00:00:15,130 --> 00:00:24,450 Speaker 1: Pushkin. It's that time of year again, or is it? 2 00:00:24,530 --> 00:00:27,410 Speaker 1: After new guidelines and new plans in place, it's going 3 00:00:27,450 --> 00:00:29,530 Speaker 1: to be the parents and teachers left trying to make 4 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:32,810 Speaker 1: the school year work. In a school year gone haywire. 5 00:00:33,290 --> 00:00:36,690 Speaker 1: Sometimes art is the only thing that can make sense 6 00:00:36,690 --> 00:00:41,330 Speaker 1: of it all. For millions of students from Florida to Indiana, 7 00:00:41,570 --> 00:00:45,370 Speaker 1: Louisiana to Arizona, the new school year is already off 8 00:00:45,410 --> 00:00:48,410 Speaker 1: to a rough start. I'm Ashley Ford and this is 9 00:00:48,450 --> 00:00:51,810 Speaker 1: the Chronicles of Bath, where we ask writers to dream 10 00:00:51,890 --> 00:00:56,810 Speaker 1: up short stories inspired by the news. Tonight, as cases rise, 11 00:00:57,290 --> 00:01:01,210 Speaker 1: parents are sounding the alarm over reopening schools. The approved 12 00:01:01,250 --> 00:01:04,330 Speaker 1: reopening plan to send students back to school in Osceola 13 00:01:04,370 --> 00:01:08,050 Speaker 1: County ignited outrage during the school board meeting. The fact 14 00:01:08,050 --> 00:01:12,130 Speaker 1: that you all are even opening schools is disgraceful. It's 15 00:01:12,170 --> 00:01:17,850 Speaker 1: sociopathic that you're willing to sacrifice our children. But in Massachusetts, 16 00:01:17,850 --> 00:01:21,410 Speaker 1: a rally for reopening with few cases across the stage, 17 00:01:21,610 --> 00:01:25,450 Speaker 1: the governor says most students should be in school. While 18 00:01:25,450 --> 00:01:29,730 Speaker 1: adults argue about how to safely reopen schools, what about 19 00:01:29,770 --> 00:01:35,770 Speaker 1: the children? What are they thinking for kids? The political 20 00:01:35,810 --> 00:01:39,730 Speaker 1: realm is really abstract. Tommy Orange is the author of 21 00:01:39,770 --> 00:01:43,290 Speaker 1: the best selling novel They're There, which won the Pinhemmingway 22 00:01:43,330 --> 00:01:46,050 Speaker 1: Award and was named one of New York Times ten 23 00:01:46,130 --> 00:01:50,850 Speaker 1: Best Books twenty eighteen. For this week's chronicle, he imagines 24 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:53,250 Speaker 1: what it's like for a nine year old boy to 25 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:55,850 Speaker 1: go back to school this year. It's a lot of 26 00:01:55,930 --> 00:01:58,330 Speaker 1: kids that we're putting her risk. It's a gamble with 27 00:01:58,370 --> 00:02:06,930 Speaker 1: their lives. The boy watches his reflection in the car 28 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:09,370 Speaker 1: door while he waits for his mom to unlaw kid, 29 00:02:10,890 --> 00:02:16,530 Speaker 1: which feels like forever, watching his fat body stretch along 30 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:20,890 Speaker 1: the curvy contours of their Subaru, to the point that 31 00:02:20,930 --> 00:02:23,290 Speaker 1: he feels a flash of heat in his cheeks. About 32 00:02:23,330 --> 00:02:29,530 Speaker 1: seeing kids, about kids seeing him again after all this time. 33 00:02:32,290 --> 00:02:36,450 Speaker 1: He knows he's gained some weight. He can feel it 34 00:02:36,450 --> 00:02:43,250 Speaker 1: in his cheeks. He knows he's not fat, not fat fat, 35 00:02:44,210 --> 00:02:46,170 Speaker 1: But when he sits down in the car as the 36 00:02:46,210 --> 00:02:49,850 Speaker 1: engine starts up, he can feel his stomach jiggle in 37 00:02:49,890 --> 00:02:55,170 Speaker 1: a way it never had before. It's because he's been 38 00:02:55,210 --> 00:02:58,930 Speaker 1: inside so much. He couldn't run or tag or throw, 39 00:02:59,130 --> 00:03:03,130 Speaker 1: or push or pull or play against his friends, has 40 00:03:03,170 --> 00:03:05,130 Speaker 1: not even really talked to any of them in what 41 00:03:05,290 --> 00:03:07,570 Speaker 1: felt like two or three bad summers in a row, 42 00:03:08,450 --> 00:03:12,170 Speaker 1: and what kept more and more feeling like the life before. 43 00:03:15,930 --> 00:03:18,050 Speaker 1: His mom had told him plenty not to worry about 44 00:03:18,050 --> 00:03:23,050 Speaker 1: his weight, but this she didn't get. Telling him not 45 00:03:23,090 --> 00:03:25,730 Speaker 1: to worry about his weight was her saying there might 46 00:03:25,770 --> 00:03:33,850 Speaker 1: be something to worry about on this dreaded morning. They're 47 00:03:33,890 --> 00:03:36,850 Speaker 1: in the driveway. Their bodies had moved slow, out of 48 00:03:36,850 --> 00:03:42,250 Speaker 1: the door and into the car, hesitant his fall. As 49 00:03:42,250 --> 00:03:45,650 Speaker 1: the summer keeps on longer and longer every year, the 50 00:03:45,690 --> 00:03:47,410 Speaker 1: boy had a better sense of what it meant that 51 00:03:47,490 --> 00:03:53,210 Speaker 1: the world was on fire. They're over or underthinking all 52 00:03:53,210 --> 00:03:57,010 Speaker 1: of what the disease could mean, which means they're late. 53 00:03:57,250 --> 00:04:01,890 Speaker 1: His first day back, they lagged like the boys. Video 54 00:04:01,970 --> 00:04:05,730 Speaker 1: games lagged when the internet was slow, dragging their feet 55 00:04:05,770 --> 00:04:10,810 Speaker 1: about the boy going back to school, about her taking 56 00:04:10,890 --> 00:04:17,610 Speaker 1: him to possible what his death, his mild sickness, his 57 00:04:17,730 --> 00:04:23,450 Speaker 1: asymptomatic isolation in his room, getting food brought to his door, 58 00:04:23,890 --> 00:04:27,330 Speaker 1: and endless allowances of movies and apps and screen access. 59 00:04:29,970 --> 00:04:33,610 Speaker 1: Nothing had been real these months, or it had all 60 00:04:33,650 --> 00:04:40,810 Speaker 1: been too real. The boy saw it all as a 61 00:04:40,850 --> 00:04:43,610 Speaker 1: good time to see better. That's how he told his 62 00:04:43,770 --> 00:04:47,330 Speaker 1: mom about what it could mean. It's clear what matters 63 00:04:47,370 --> 00:04:56,210 Speaker 1: when all seems lost. He wouldn't have even been going back. 64 00:04:56,930 --> 00:04:59,850 Speaker 1: It's that the school is reopening and the other kids 65 00:04:59,890 --> 00:05:02,890 Speaker 1: are going, some of them as friends, some of them 66 00:05:02,890 --> 00:05:06,690 Speaker 1: he misses wants to see, plus is required by law, 67 00:05:07,290 --> 00:05:10,970 Speaker 1: which for some things he knew. His mom thought. Who cares? 68 00:05:12,930 --> 00:05:15,490 Speaker 1: Most of all that his mom doesn't have any options. 69 00:05:16,090 --> 00:05:20,490 Speaker 1: She needs him to be in school while she works vance. 70 00:05:20,930 --> 00:05:26,130 Speaker 1: Her manager openly hated children. She'd asked if she could 71 00:05:26,130 --> 00:05:30,130 Speaker 1: bring the boy in. The sitter had backed out suddenly, 72 00:05:30,210 --> 00:05:33,690 Speaker 1: and her backup had at first said yes, then backed 73 00:05:33,690 --> 00:05:38,170 Speaker 1: out herself last minute. The restaurant she worked at was upscale, 74 00:05:38,690 --> 00:05:43,130 Speaker 1: served only brunch and lunch with the kind of upscale 75 00:05:43,290 --> 00:05:49,130 Speaker 1: elderly clientele who didn't even eat dinner. But supper Vans 76 00:05:49,170 --> 00:05:51,410 Speaker 1: had said he couldn't risk having a kid burst out 77 00:05:51,410 --> 00:05:54,450 Speaker 1: from the back like a wild animal. These people had 78 00:05:54,530 --> 00:05:58,330 Speaker 1: heart conditions. She told the boy, this is why he 79 00:05:58,370 --> 00:06:01,770 Speaker 1: had to stay home alone that first time. He had 80 00:06:01,810 --> 00:06:05,330 Speaker 1: to stay home alone, that first time she left him 81 00:06:05,370 --> 00:06:13,970 Speaker 1: there that whole shift. Why does it feel like reopening 82 00:06:14,010 --> 00:06:17,290 Speaker 1: schools is like when I which I know you hate 83 00:06:18,050 --> 00:06:21,970 Speaker 1: pick off a scab and the thing opens back up again, 84 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:25,450 Speaker 1: and I have to start all over again, the boy said, 85 00:06:26,290 --> 00:06:30,050 Speaker 1: looking out the window from the backseat, deciphering what he 86 00:06:30,050 --> 00:06:32,450 Speaker 1: could of the news. His mom never stopped listening to 87 00:06:33,330 --> 00:06:36,170 Speaker 1: the news voice always with them in the car and 88 00:06:36,210 --> 00:06:40,530 Speaker 1: at home, and every hour of every day, new news, 89 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:44,290 Speaker 1: always mostly just new and bad news, always just bad 90 00:06:45,490 --> 00:06:51,010 Speaker 1: and good news. If ever, then never for long. If 91 00:06:51,090 --> 00:06:54,130 Speaker 1: staying home alone and not going to school, us finding 92 00:06:54,130 --> 00:06:57,170 Speaker 1: a homeschool for you, if that feels like an option 93 00:06:57,210 --> 00:06:59,210 Speaker 1: for you weekend. I don't want to stay at home 94 00:06:59,410 --> 00:07:04,770 Speaker 1: and homeschool. That sounds terrible, they say, you know that. 95 00:07:05,210 --> 00:07:09,530 Speaker 1: They don't think kids can really, she said about the virus, 96 00:07:10,210 --> 00:07:13,890 Speaker 1: but didn't finish the sentence. That's how they really feel, 97 00:07:14,810 --> 00:07:19,490 Speaker 1: the boy said, what's that? That's how they really feel 98 00:07:19,490 --> 00:07:23,970 Speaker 1: about us. Us who if some of us have to die, 99 00:07:24,450 --> 00:07:29,290 Speaker 1: so be it. I saw fourteen thousand on TikTok. You 100 00:07:29,330 --> 00:07:33,530 Speaker 1: saw fourteen thousand. If a certain percentage die from it, 101 00:07:33,970 --> 00:07:37,570 Speaker 1: and we're all exposed, a certain percent of us will die, 102 00:07:38,170 --> 00:07:44,490 Speaker 1: that's like data, Like that's just information. We know, honey, 103 00:07:44,930 --> 00:07:50,050 Speaker 1: we won't get it, she said, we won't that's the point. 104 00:07:50,530 --> 00:07:52,770 Speaker 1: Everyone thinks they won't get it and are willing to 105 00:07:52,810 --> 00:07:55,450 Speaker 1: gamble with their kids' lives. But even if it's a 106 00:07:55,450 --> 00:07:58,010 Speaker 1: small percentage, it's one that adds up to a lot 107 00:07:58,050 --> 00:08:01,930 Speaker 1: of kids whose parents don't think they'll get it. People 108 00:08:02,050 --> 00:08:09,330 Speaker 1: love their kids, she said, way too enthusiastically. Then a 109 00:08:09,370 --> 00:08:12,890 Speaker 1: pigeon flew by, swooped across their view. She hit the 110 00:08:12,890 --> 00:08:16,370 Speaker 1: brakes too hard. Both of their heads went forward from 111 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:20,370 Speaker 1: the pole, almost like they were bowing. Then she sped up, 112 00:08:20,490 --> 00:08:28,730 Speaker 1: as if to compensate. People hate their kids, the boy said. 113 00:08:31,330 --> 00:08:33,730 Speaker 1: And then it was as if some other thing had 114 00:08:33,770 --> 00:08:37,250 Speaker 1: just then swooped in front of him, some blinding light, 115 00:08:38,690 --> 00:08:42,490 Speaker 1: the truth of which they couldn't then see through. Not then, 116 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:45,930 Speaker 1: not how they were before, the countless seasons of sickness 117 00:08:45,930 --> 00:08:51,170 Speaker 1: ahead of them, much later, had those spare moments between 118 00:08:52,010 --> 00:08:55,330 Speaker 1: when memory creeps up, the boy would return to right 119 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:58,570 Speaker 1: there in the car with the pigeon, then the brakes, 120 00:08:59,210 --> 00:09:02,130 Speaker 1: the hating or loving of kids, and the approach to 121 00:09:02,170 --> 00:09:05,570 Speaker 1: the abyss that was his reentry, as they accidentally bowed 122 00:09:05,570 --> 00:09:08,210 Speaker 1: to Gravity's pole in the car, just waiting for the 123 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:14,210 Speaker 1: pole to obey, the reentry into the reopening all felt 124 00:09:14,210 --> 00:09:18,570 Speaker 1: like some backward kind of wound. A backward wound is, 125 00:09:18,610 --> 00:09:23,250 Speaker 1: for some reason not healing. This whole memory would end 126 00:09:23,290 --> 00:09:26,770 Speaker 1: up meaning something more and more each time as it 127 00:09:26,850 --> 00:09:30,250 Speaker 1: came to the boy, as he became less a boy, 128 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:33,970 Speaker 1: the memory more and more meaningful, as less and less 129 00:09:34,050 --> 00:09:41,090 Speaker 1: explanation seemed. The point is said, there are seeings, moments 130 00:09:41,090 --> 00:09:44,490 Speaker 1: in our lives we can't not keep remembering, and some 131 00:09:44,570 --> 00:09:48,010 Speaker 1: of them tell us something about ourselves, and some more 132 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:50,530 Speaker 1: than we'd like to admit, tell us how much we 133 00:09:50,610 --> 00:09:55,570 Speaker 1: not only don't but can't know at all, a lot 134 00:09:55,610 --> 00:10:01,090 Speaker 1: of investment we are in you, we're actually going on 135 00:10:01,250 --> 00:10:07,010 Speaker 1: in term of the number of The boy walked away 136 00:10:07,010 --> 00:10:10,050 Speaker 1: from the car without looking back. He wanted his mom 137 00:10:10,090 --> 00:10:15,010 Speaker 1: to feel bad. This was new for him. They'd been 138 00:10:15,050 --> 00:10:17,650 Speaker 1: so good to one another over these most recent years, 139 00:10:18,810 --> 00:10:21,170 Speaker 1: Remembering how it had been when the boy's dad was 140 00:10:21,170 --> 00:10:26,770 Speaker 1: still around. It bonded them to be rid of him, 141 00:10:27,490 --> 00:10:30,170 Speaker 1: to be out on their own, away from his moodiness 142 00:10:30,210 --> 00:10:34,650 Speaker 1: and abuse, from his drinking and wrath. The thing the 143 00:10:34,650 --> 00:10:38,890 Speaker 1: boy was mad about was this impossible thing, this new life. 144 00:10:39,970 --> 00:10:41,970 Speaker 1: He didn't want to stay home or go to school. 145 00:10:43,050 --> 00:10:45,370 Speaker 1: He didn't want life to return to what had been before. 146 00:10:46,170 --> 00:10:50,250 Speaker 1: But it couldn't stay like it was. That wasn't living, 147 00:10:51,610 --> 00:10:58,090 Speaker 1: that was waiting. He knew he shouldn't have blamed his mom. 148 00:10:58,130 --> 00:11:00,490 Speaker 1: It was that she'd use the words he'd heard use 149 00:11:00,570 --> 00:11:04,730 Speaker 1: by those gross old white men in the news, taking 150 00:11:04,770 --> 00:11:08,090 Speaker 1: advantage of vulnerability, as gross old white men were always 151 00:11:08,130 --> 00:11:13,290 Speaker 1: want to do. He'd heard it called rhetoric. His mom 152 00:11:13,410 --> 00:11:15,410 Speaker 1: used that word for what other people did when they 153 00:11:15,450 --> 00:11:21,370 Speaker 1: repeated the news people. But here she'd used it herself, 154 00:11:22,010 --> 00:11:32,370 Speaker 1: the rhetoric against her son. But he didn't get sick 155 00:11:32,450 --> 00:11:36,370 Speaker 1: that day. One student did in his grade, in his class, 156 00:11:36,810 --> 00:11:46,570 Speaker 1: and they sent everyone home, so he ended up home alone. Anyway. 157 00:11:47,090 --> 00:11:50,010 Speaker 1: He watched a lot of YouTube those first days home alone, 158 00:11:50,850 --> 00:11:53,570 Speaker 1: and he played with his toys in the backyard, the 159 00:11:53,650 --> 00:11:55,890 Speaker 1: game he loved to play, and his mom's raised beds, 160 00:11:56,250 --> 00:12:00,570 Speaker 1: where she kept meaning to start a garden. He'd have 161 00:12:00,610 --> 00:12:03,890 Speaker 1: his guys rise up from the ground like zombies. Usually 162 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:06,850 Speaker 1: he had the guys he liked most, his toy mutants, 163 00:12:07,930 --> 00:12:11,730 Speaker 1: one half alligator human named Reginald and a half tiger 164 00:12:11,730 --> 00:12:18,650 Speaker 1: half human named beast Bob. Normally they'd defeat the dirt 165 00:12:18,690 --> 00:12:22,330 Speaker 1: clod freshly risen zombies, but one of those first afternoons 166 00:12:22,330 --> 00:12:24,650 Speaker 1: where he ended up home alone during his mom's shift 167 00:12:24,690 --> 00:12:28,250 Speaker 1: at work. He had all the zombies be people who 168 00:12:28,330 --> 00:12:33,250 Speaker 1: died from the virus in that time. They got their 169 00:12:33,250 --> 00:12:37,410 Speaker 1: revenge on the living. They killed Reginald and beast Bob 170 00:12:37,890 --> 00:12:42,250 Speaker 1: and made a new life for themselves, one without dying 171 00:12:42,370 --> 00:12:48,010 Speaker 1: or disease, resurrected lives. And sure they were zombies, and 172 00:12:48,130 --> 00:12:50,850 Speaker 1: sure they had died when they didn't have to, but 173 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:55,570 Speaker 1: they were back. They were here, they were alive, and 174 00:12:55,650 --> 00:12:57,930 Speaker 1: that felt as close as he could get to a resolve, 175 00:12:58,890 --> 00:13:02,370 Speaker 1: something to answer the question this new impossible life imposed 176 00:13:02,930 --> 00:13:06,010 Speaker 1: when freshly nine, the virus came and took everything he'd known, 177 00:13:06,090 --> 00:13:11,690 Speaker 1: it all to me. But here he was. He was 178 00:13:11,770 --> 00:13:16,010 Speaker 1: still here, and his mom was alive and school. Be 179 00:13:16,130 --> 00:13:18,330 Speaker 1: damned was her attitude about what to do about all 180 00:13:18,370 --> 00:13:22,090 Speaker 1: of it. He could do what he wanted at home alone. 181 00:13:23,650 --> 00:13:26,370 Speaker 1: Let them come, his mom had told him, as if 182 00:13:26,370 --> 00:13:29,330 Speaker 1: the authorities had the capacity to worry about their little family. 183 00:13:30,850 --> 00:13:33,170 Speaker 1: And it's what he had Reginald and beast Bob say 184 00:13:33,210 --> 00:13:36,530 Speaker 1: before the zombies rose out of the ground. His good 185 00:13:36,530 --> 00:13:41,890 Speaker 1: guy Zombies post coronavirus post life. Let them come, his 186 00:13:42,010 --> 00:13:45,450 Speaker 1: favorite toys had said to the zombies before letting them 187 00:13:45,490 --> 00:13:48,370 Speaker 1: kill them. They said to the rising zombies his least 188 00:13:48,370 --> 00:13:54,130 Speaker 1: favorite toys, Reginald and beast Bob said to them, let 189 00:13:54,170 --> 00:14:10,170 Speaker 1: them come. Let them come back that forest. Good luck 190 00:14:10,330 --> 00:14:15,250 Speaker 1: reading Reopening by Tommy Orange. Hi Tommy, Hi, We're in 191 00:14:15,290 --> 00:14:18,930 Speaker 1: the midst of the weirdest back to school season ever. 192 00:14:19,450 --> 00:14:21,730 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. I don't think any 193 00:14:21,810 --> 00:14:25,410 Speaker 1: of us ever have. According to media reports, it's hell 194 00:14:25,450 --> 00:14:28,730 Speaker 1: own parents, it's hell own teachers, but we're not really 195 00:14:28,850 --> 00:14:32,970 Speaker 1: hearing about how kids are experiencing it. Is that why 196 00:14:32,970 --> 00:14:36,370 Speaker 1: you wrote this story from the boy's perspective? Yeah, the 197 00:14:36,450 --> 00:14:40,450 Speaker 1: story a little bit goes into this internal feeling the 198 00:14:40,490 --> 00:14:43,970 Speaker 1: boy has that the adults don't really care about kids 199 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:47,210 Speaker 1: as much as they pretend to. And I just I 200 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:49,730 Speaker 1: like the idea of getting on the inside of young 201 00:14:49,770 --> 00:14:52,850 Speaker 1: people's minds. I think it's as explored as I think 202 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:55,450 Speaker 1: it should be. I think the consciousness of kids is 203 00:14:55,490 --> 00:15:00,410 Speaker 1: sometimes not respected as worthy of our attention. The mother 204 00:15:00,450 --> 00:15:03,210 Speaker 1: in your story says people love their children, and the 205 00:15:03,290 --> 00:15:07,210 Speaker 1: voices people hate their kids. Who's right? Well, I think 206 00:15:07,290 --> 00:15:09,490 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people going around, not only 207 00:15:09,490 --> 00:15:13,330 Speaker 1: the administration, and obviously pretending to have family values is 208 00:15:13,330 --> 00:15:16,050 Speaker 1: one thing, but I've seen a lot of parents who 209 00:15:16,490 --> 00:15:18,650 Speaker 1: say they love their kids, but they can't wait to 210 00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:21,170 Speaker 1: get back to work, or they can't wait to drop 211 00:15:21,210 --> 00:15:23,970 Speaker 1: their kids off, or you know, there's all this kind 212 00:15:23,970 --> 00:15:29,090 Speaker 1: of gross language around, this hidden detesting of their children, 213 00:15:29,850 --> 00:15:32,650 Speaker 1: and I think the kid sees it and wants to 214 00:15:32,650 --> 00:15:34,490 Speaker 1: be able to say it. And you know, the kid 215 00:15:34,490 --> 00:15:37,050 Speaker 1: probably doesn't feel that all the way, but it can 216 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:41,290 Speaker 1: feel that way for kids, and parents can show that 217 00:15:41,330 --> 00:15:44,810 Speaker 1: without knowing it. In the story, the government has completely 218 00:15:44,850 --> 00:15:48,090 Speaker 1: failed this mother and this boy and put them in 219 00:15:48,130 --> 00:15:50,930 Speaker 1: this predicament of having to go back to school when 220 00:15:50,930 --> 00:15:53,970 Speaker 1: it obviously might not be safe. But the boy's not 221 00:15:54,010 --> 00:15:57,370 Speaker 1: mad at the government. He's mad at his mom. Why 222 00:15:57,490 --> 00:16:02,210 Speaker 1: do you think we often attack those closest to us 223 00:16:03,130 --> 00:16:07,290 Speaker 1: instead of the perpetrator of our pain. I think for 224 00:16:07,330 --> 00:16:10,410 Speaker 1: a lot of kids, the parents are to blame. Even 225 00:16:10,450 --> 00:16:13,370 Speaker 1: if he sort of understands it's outside of his mom's control. 226 00:16:14,170 --> 00:16:17,490 Speaker 1: What he's really bothered by her using the rhetoric that 227 00:16:17,610 --> 00:16:21,610 Speaker 1: she's talked about as a bad thing of these girl 228 00:16:21,690 --> 00:16:24,770 Speaker 1: I think I called him gross old white men in 229 00:16:24,810 --> 00:16:27,930 Speaker 1: the news. I think for kids, they don't know that 230 00:16:28,050 --> 00:16:32,250 Speaker 1: same outrage. Once you understand systems and the systemic damage 231 00:16:32,290 --> 00:16:37,650 Speaker 1: that comes from decisions from politicians, from the way history 232 00:16:37,730 --> 00:16:40,210 Speaker 1: has set people up. All of that when you're a 233 00:16:40,290 --> 00:16:43,850 Speaker 1: kid is just sort of parent talk, like come on, mom, 234 00:16:43,930 --> 00:16:46,650 Speaker 1: do something. Can't you do something? It's more of the feeling. 235 00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:50,610 Speaker 1: You're right about the boy he didn't want life to 236 00:16:50,650 --> 00:16:53,530 Speaker 1: return to what had been before, but it couldn't stay 237 00:16:53,570 --> 00:16:57,330 Speaker 1: like it was. That wasn't living, that was waiting. And 238 00:16:57,410 --> 00:17:00,490 Speaker 1: he's not wrong, right like we all seem right now 239 00:17:00,530 --> 00:17:05,010 Speaker 1: to be waiting for things. To do something, go back, 240 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:09,490 Speaker 1: go forward, just do something. But why do you think 241 00:17:10,290 --> 00:17:13,810 Speaker 1: so many people are so desperate to return to a 242 00:17:13,930 --> 00:17:19,650 Speaker 1: sense of normal, even when normal is not very good. Well, 243 00:17:19,690 --> 00:17:21,930 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people who were who 244 00:17:21,930 --> 00:17:25,530 Speaker 1: were very comfortable in their lives, and they want to 245 00:17:25,530 --> 00:17:28,450 Speaker 1: go back to the comfort because it's uncomfortable to be 246 00:17:28,530 --> 00:17:31,610 Speaker 1: in purgatory. But I think that people who are seeing 247 00:17:31,610 --> 00:17:36,930 Speaker 1: the social changes and addressing old wounds, I think we 248 00:17:36,970 --> 00:17:39,410 Speaker 1: don't want to go back because this whole thing has 249 00:17:39,450 --> 00:17:42,930 Speaker 1: shaken our country up and revealed things that some of 250 00:17:43,010 --> 00:17:45,810 Speaker 1: us knew were already there. So the sense of going 251 00:17:45,850 --> 00:17:49,210 Speaker 1: back to normal, I think can be really tone deaf 252 00:17:49,730 --> 00:17:53,450 Speaker 1: for others of us who know it wasn't right before, 253 00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:55,690 Speaker 1: and they's kind of opened our eyes to a lot. 254 00:17:56,050 --> 00:17:58,010 Speaker 1: We do want something different, but we don't want to 255 00:17:58,010 --> 00:18:02,650 Speaker 1: go back to the way it was. Yeah. Well, Tommy Orange, 256 00:18:02,810 --> 00:18:05,330 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your story and thank you 257 00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:07,730 Speaker 1: for coming on the Chronicles of Now. It's been really 258 00:18:07,730 --> 00:18:09,810 Speaker 1: great talking with you. Thank you so much for having me. 259 00:18:11,410 --> 00:18:15,450 Speaker 1: That was Tommy Orange. 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